Fire Thibs.

[Rose]

40 point blow out at half? play starters more (almost all of them logged 30)! CJ gets injured. Who is Rose's primary back up. And then instead of playing JL....He plays CJ till he gets injured.

Up by 20ish on the Pistons for most of the second half. Play Rose 40 minutes!!!!!! Did the pistons have their scoring times? Absolutely.

Did Noah stay down after a "flagrant" Yes
Did Rip stay down after a terrible foul Yes

Does Dumbass learn his lesson? hell no! up by 14 with just over 4 to go against the pistons!!! Keep the guys in the game. And this is what happens.



Rose just left the locker room with ice on his left elbow with trainer Fred Tedeschi. Presumably for X-ray
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GET HIM OUT OF THERE. He can run an offense, unless it's the fast break we don't have a good half court offense really unless Rip's in there too. He doesn't use the deepest bench in the league.

He doesn't understand it's a compressed season, that since we have the luxury of a very nice deep bench to use it. Instead he thinks he's coaching guys with the health and durability of A.C. Green. Even if nothing turns up he obviously hasn't learned ANYTHING.

[BoogieWoogieMan]

Thibs will be Coach of the year for the second year in a row.

Book it!

[StateProperty]

lol

[305Baller]

40 point blow out at half? play starters more (almost all of them logged 30)! CJ gets injured. Who is Rose's primary back up. And then instead of playing JL....He plays CJ till he gets injured.

Up by 20ish on the Pistons for most of the second half. Play Rose 40 minutes!!!!!! Did the pistons have their scoring times? Absolutely.

Did Noah stay down after a "flagrant" Yes
Did Rip stay down after a terrible foul Yes

Does Dumbass learn his lesson? hell no! up by 14 with just over 4 to go against the pistons!!! Keep the guys in the game. And this is what happens.



http://twitter.com/#!/KCJHoop


GET HIM OUT OF THERE. He can run an offense, unless it's the fast break we don't have a good half court offense really unless Rip's in there too. He doesn't use the deepest bench in the league.

He doesn't understand it's a compressed season, that since we have the luxury of a very nice deep bench to use it. Instead he thinks he's coaching guys with the health and durability of A.C. Green. Even if nothing turns up he obviously hasn't learned ANYTHING.

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[AMISTILLILL]

He's a second year coach, not to mention Rose is likely similar to Kobe in the way that he picks and chooses when he goes in and out. Even if Thibs wanted him to sit, chances are Rose wanted to push it and stay on the court. The kid has given every indication in the media and through his hard work off the court that he'd be that type of guy.

[dee-rose]

I don't think we should fire him, but he needs to give the guys rest. Compressed season, tough games ahead and we're coming off a B2B in which Rose and Deng logged huge minutes.

Deng is actually leading the league in minutes, while the bulls have won in blow outs, haven't played OT and have capable back ups. Doesn't make sense.

[GatorKid117]

U mad?

I'd be mad, too

[BoogieWoogieMan]

Thibs is a great coach because award because winner.

Rose is so mad!

[Rose]

He's a second year coach, not to mention Rose is likely similar to Kobe in the way that he picks and chooses when he goes in and out. Even if Thibs wanted him to sit, chances are Rose wanted to push it and stay on the court. The kid has given every indication in the media and through his hard work off the court that he'd be that type of guy.
It's not that. He did it last year too which is my main gripe.

Deng, Boozer(lol) and Noah are injury prone guys.
Brewer, Taj, Asik are fairly good back ups.


Just from that alone NONE of the frontline starters should be risking their health given the circumstances of the season. Rose is the MVP, with a decent back up AND a decent lead with the best bench in the league. Especially defensively, and against a bad team. he shouldn't have been in the game. Two other starters went down, and got up after stays on the ground.

Next as for the he wanted to push it. He had no problems being benched as a rookie because he didn't play defense. He didn't mind, finally,being taken out against Memphis. Sure the kid's a warrior through and through, but he's not stupid.

Plus, like I said originally it was a back to back.

[juju151111]

I realize thibs is a complete idiot in terms of Mins since last year. You could be up 59 and he would still have Deng out their.

[Rose]

U mad?

I'd be mad, too
:lol

Better watch out. Stan Van plays Dwight like that.

[1rkrage]

ok

[ConanRulesNBC]

Yeah, fire the coach that just won coach of the season and fire the best coach the Bulls have had since Phil Jackson. :facepalm

[GatorKid117]

:lol

Better watch out. Stan Van plays Dwight like that.

Oh, I know. Magic scrubs should have played pretty much the whole 4th. Not with SVG. We have similar gripes.

[themurph]

I don't think we should fire him, but he needs to give the guys rest. Compressed season, tough games ahead and we're coming off a B2B in which Rose and Deng logged huge minutes.

Deng is actually leading the league in minutes, while the bulls have won in blow outs, haven't played OT and have capable back ups. Doesn't make sense.


I agree...too many minutes being played...

[dee-rose]

Oh, I know. Magic scrubs should have played pretty much the whole 4th. Not with SVG. We have similar gripes.
At least you know Dwight can handle it though. Rose runs into 7 footers with 100 pounds on him like it's nobodies business, and everyone in the starting line up aside form him has injury issues.

[PP34Deuce]

Thibs is defense..... he could care less about Offense...Thats where assistant coach comes in for Chicago.

[dee-rose]

Thibs is defense..... he could care less about Offense...Thats where assistant coach comes in for Chicago.
no one mentioned anything about offense, although thats a problem too. this is about minute management and rotations which has been horrible.

[Rose]

DRose in obvious pain afterward but he and Thibodeau said X-rays negative. #Bulls


Right before the closest stretch of games.:facepalm

[themurph]

It's not that. He did it last year too which is my main gripe.

Deng, Boozer(lol) and Noah are injury prone guys.
Brewer, Taj, Asik are fairly good back ups.


Just from that alone NONE of the frontline starters should be risking their health given the circumstances of the season. Rose is the MVP, with a decent back up AND a decent lead with the best bench in the league. Especially defensively, and against a bad team. he shouldn't have been in the game. Two other starters went down, and got up after stays on the ground.

Next as for the he wanted to push it. He had no problems being benched as a rookie because he didn't play defense. He didn't mind, finally,being taken out against Memphis. Sure the kid's a warrior through and through, but he's not stupid.

Plus, like I said originally it was a back to back.


Other than you calling for Thibs head and saying that Rose has a decent back-up (CJ is injured, right?...After dude, we have no depth at PG) I agree with everything that you are saying...

[VishaltotheG]

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[Rose]

Other than you calling for Thibs head and saying that Rose has a decent back-up (CJ is injured, right?...After dude, we have no depth at PG) I agree with everything that you are saying...
CJ got injured because he didn't put JL3 in the game, who was active that night.


Tonight he was active and rested Rose in the second quarter.

[Andrei89]

How quickly fans turn

[dee-rose]

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:roll: :applause: :( :rant :cry: :lol :facepalm :( :lol

^ The stages I'm going through at the moment.

[GatorKid117]

At least you know Dwight can handle it though. Rose runs into 7 footers with 100 pounds on him like it's nobodies business, and everyone in the starting line up aside form him has injury issues.

True, but all it takes is one wrong fall. I just don't see the benefits.

Jameer was in there till like 3 minutes left. That kind of irked me. He's probably our most injury prone player. I'd just rather not risk it. Hopefully Rose is good to go for Fridays game.

[Rhinox]

OP is dumb.

Rose has no backup cause John Lucas couldn't guard a mannequin and they were taking advantage of him every single time.


If you want to blame someone blame luck that CJ got hurt not serious enough to get a replacement but serious enough that we have to endure JL3

[dee-rose]

How quickly fans turn
Most bulls fans are fine with Thibbs but clock management is a huge issue for him

[Rose]

How quickly fans turn
I've been anti-Thibs since last year mostly for the same reason.:confusedshrug:


He's the same game as Vinny just better at defense.

[Andrei89]

I've been anti-Thibs since last year mostly for the same reason.:confusedshrug:


He's the same game as Vinny just better at defense.

He is a briliant coach. Defense is the most importan aspect of the game and Thibs might be the best defensive coach the league has right now.

The Bulls got the best record because of that last year.

[Rhinox]

CJ got injured because he didn't put JL3 in the game, who was active that night.


Tonight he was active and rested Rose in the second quarter.


8 whole minutes.

Dude is a terrible defender

[AMISTILLILL]

I think this is a whole lot of nothing. The guy is a great coach and his defensive mindset is one of the biggest reasons this Bulls team was able to excel last season. If you're worried about injury prone players, keep in mind how well this team played last season with Noah and Boozer missing significant games.

[dee-rose]

OP is dumb.

Rose has no backup cause John Lucas couldn't guard a mannequin and they were taking advantage of him every single time.


If you want to blame someone blame luck that CJ got hurt not serious enough to get a replacement but serious enough that we have to endure JL3
CJ got hurt when we were up 40 points in the fourth quarter of the Memphis game. JL3 actually came in today and did a good job. Thing is, there is no way we lose to the Pistons when we're up that many, not with our defense.

[Rose]

OP is dumb.

Rose has no backup cause John Lucas couldn't guard a mannequin and they were taking advantage of him every single time.


If you want to blame someone blame luck that CJ got hurt not serious enough to get a replacement but serious enough that we have to endure JL3
There are these pretty cool guys called Ronnie Brewer, and Jimmy Butler.

One's a very experienced defender who's tops in the league at it.
The other is a rookie whose signature is defense.

[ConanRulesNBC]

This complaint is ridiculous. Thibs is the best coach the Bulls have had since Phil Jackson. So he played Rose more minutes? Who cares? Rose can handle it. He's only in his 4th season and is 22 or 23 years old. It's not like this is Kobe at 33 and being played 40 minutes. Calm down.

You want to complain about something? Complain about the horrible officiating in the Bulls/Hawks game.

[Rhinox]

I've been anti-Thibs since last year mostly for the same reason.:confusedshrug:


He's the same game as Vinny just better at defense.


yeah this confirms it. OP is pretty dumb.

[dee-rose]

True, but all it takes is one wrong fall. I just don't see the benefits.

Jameer was in there till like 3 minutes left. That kind of irked me. He's probably our most injury prone player. I'd just rather not risk it. Hopefully Rose is good to go for Fridays game.
Yea, I totally get where you're coming from. There's just no point in having your best players out there, especially the injury prone ones, no matter how bad the back up.

[Rhinox]

There are these pretty cool guys called Ronnie Brewer, and Jimmy Butler.

One's a very experienced defender who's tops in the league at it.
The other is a rookie whose signature is defense.


Next you're gonna tell me Ronnie Brewer can run the point cause he did it in college right?

Gtfo

[themurph]

CJ got injured because he didn't put JL3 in the game, who was active that night.


Tonight he was active and rested Rose in the second quarter.


He's not ready to come back on the floor...Again, I agree with you on Thibs substitutions being a bit wacky....But Rose doesn't really have a real back-up at the moment...Not with CJ still sitting on the bench...

[Rose]

I think this is a whole lot of nothing. The guy is a great coach and his defensive mindset is one of the biggest reasons this Bulls team was able to excel last season. If you're worried about injury prone players, keep in mind how well this team played last season with Noah and Boozer missing significant games.
We don't have Kurt Thomas though. who was HUGE in that. when Boozer was out he spaced the floor and basically did what Boozer did with some defense, and a lot less offense.

With Noah out same thing. Except Boozer actually played better. Which I don't understand at all, but yeah.


But tell me what is the point of playing your key guys in a situation like that, up 14 against the Pistons with 4 to go? Because Rose wasn't the only guy in there. So were Noah and Rip till they got subbed out and then Deng and Boozer came in.

[Rhinox]

CJ got hurt when we were up 40 points in the fourth quarter of the Memphis game. JL3 actually came in today and did a good job. Thing is, there is no way we lose to the Pistons when we're up that many, not with our defense.


Did good =/= chucking 3's open threes.


are we seriously complaining about our f'n backups getting injured?

[dee-rose]

Next you're gonna tell me Ronnie Brewer can run the point cause he did it in college right?

Gtfo
He didn't say anything ridiculous. Ronnie is one of the better defenders at his position. There's no need to run Deng like a work-horse, that's just the bottom line. Or Rose for that matter, especially of a tough back2back and other injury scares. He didn't even take Rose out after that nasty fall. I don't think he should be fired for it, but it needs to change.

[Rose]

Next you're gonna tell me Ronnie Brewer can run the point cause he did it in college right?

Gtfo
No next I'm going to tell you that ITS THE PISTONS.

Then I'm going to tell you that it was a FOURTEEN POINT GAME.

Next, the BEST defense IN THE LEAGUE.

Last, JL3 played fairly well tonight.

[Rhinox]

We don't have Kurt Thomas though. who was HUGE in that. when Boozer was out he spaced the floor and basically did what Boozer did with some defense, and a lot less offense.

With Noah out same thing. Except Boozer actually played better. Which I don't understand at all, but yeah.


But tell me what is the point of playing your key guys in a situation like that, up 14 against the Pistons with 4 to go? Because Rose wasn't the only guy in there. So were Noah and Rip till they got subbed out and then Deng and Boozer came in.


Kurt Thomas the backup to the backup Center. He did ok when he started but again.. lets not overvalue scrubs

[dee-rose]

Did good =/= chucking 3's open threes.


are we seriously complaining about our f'n backups getting injured?
Well hey, you're the one saying that the reason Rose is playing so much is BECAUSE our back up got hurt, so it clearly effects the team. IT happened to CJ that day, but we've got a whole injury prone starting front court playing meaningless minutes, an MVP who relentlessly throws himself at guys that are 100 pounds bigger than him and a pretty injury prone SG. I just don't see a reason to play them when its unnecessary.

[PP34Deuce]

no one mentioned anything about offense, although thats a problem too. this is about minute management and rotations which has been horrible.


My bad, I just also think lack of effective offensive sets other than the drive and kick is what holds Chicago back.

Deng when healthy can shoot the 3,is very intelligent. I feel like there should be plays drawn for Deng without the ball, He used to make a lot of his points at Duke off ball movement.

I know he makes a lot, but Boozer would be the perfect 2nd unit PF to draw plays for, I like Gibsons defense and he's able to shoot the jumper as well.

[DRose1899]

Rose (OP) just being extremist about this, but his point is true.

[Rose]

My bad, I just also think lack of effective offensive sets other than the drive and kick is what holds Chicago back.

Deng when healthy can shoot the 3,is very intelligent. I feel like there should be plays drawn for Deng without the ball, He used to make a lot of his points at Duke off ball movement.

I know he makes a lot, but Boozer would be the perfect 2nd unit PF to draw plays for, I like Gibsons defense and he's able to shoot the jumper as well.
I agree with this. And not because of the Boozer benching but because it would work on nights they aren't playing the best teams in the league. Gibson holds his own, and Boozer actually is tolerable with Asik. Or actually even Gibson next to him.

[dee-rose]

We don't have Kurt Thomas though. who was HUGE in that. when Boozer was out he spaced the floor and basically did what Boozer did with some defense, and a lot less offense.

With Noah out same thing. Except Boozer actually played better. Which I don't understand at all, but yeah.


But tell me what is the point of playing your key guys in a situation like that, up 14 against the Pistons with 4 to go? Because Rose wasn't the only guy in there. So were Noah and Rip till they got subbed out and then Deng and Boozer came in.
Booz played better with Kurt cuz he gave booze room to operate in the post unlike Noah.

And to Rhinox, who just said Kurt was a scrub, did you even watch the bulls last season? Thomas is far from being a scrub. Unless you call hard nosed defenders, that back up your players, and hit every open mid-range jumper they see scrubs.

[Rhinox]

No next I'm going to tell you that ITS THE PISTONS.

Then I'm going to tell you that it was a FOURTEEN POINT GAME.

Next, the BEST defense IN THE LEAGUE.

Last, JL3 played fairly well tonight.


Did you see what happen when JL3 was in? they were running their offense through Stucky/Byumn because they were blowing past him.


14 points is nothing in a Professional game See: Game 1 this season.

the best defense in the league was being shredded when the midget was on the court. You have a terrible sense of what fairly well is.

[AMISTILLILL]

We don't have Kurt Thomas though. who was HUGE in that. when Boozer was out he spaced the floor and basically did what Boozer did with some defense, and a lot less offense.

With Noah out same thing. Except Boozer actually played better. Which I don't understand at all, but yeah.


But tell me what is the point of playing your key guys in a situation like that, up 14 against the Pistons with 4 to go? Because Rose wasn't the only guy in there. So were Noah and Rip till they got subbed out and then Deng and Boozer came in.

There's certainly no point in contest terms; the Bulls had the game well in hand at that point, for sure. Although you have to keep in mind how much of the league is still out of shape and reeling to establish a rhythm with short training camps and very little pre-season openers to adjust.

While I'm sure some of it could simply be chalked up to Thibs being lackadaisical with the rotations, there could be other factors involved. Like I mentioned earlier, some guys (Rose in particular) might feel a need to play extra minutes, even in a blowout, to readjust to the ups and downs of a season after an extended and unexpected off-season rest.

Nevertheless, it's way too early to call for the guys job.

[Rhinox]

Booz played better with Kurt cuz he gave booze room to operate in the post unlike Noah.

And to Rhinox, who just said Kurt was a scrub, did you even watch the bulls last season? Thomas is far from being a scrub. Unless you call hard nosed defenders, that back up your players, and hit every open mid-range jumper they see scrubs.


How much did he play in the Playoffs?

[StateOfMind12]

Thibs is one of the most stubborn coaches in the NBA. He is a pretty good coach though but he does overplay some of his players too much specifically Derrick Rose. I had an issue with the fact that he never changed his gameplan in the ECF last season. I thought one reason why the Bulls lost to the Heat in the 2011 ECF was because they were outcoached. That is saying something since getting outcoached by Erik Spolestra is one of the most pathetic and embarrassing things that can happen to you.

[Rose]

Booz played better with Kurt cuz he gave booze room to operate in the post unlike Noah.



I liked that except for the fact that Boozer just takes jumpshots this season even when he's in the post he backs out does his little shake shit and either fades away or passes and attempts to repost, but if his guy is better he can't do it so he plays like David West.

[Rhinox]

Well hey, you're the one saying that the reason Rose is playing so much is BECAUSE our back up got hurt, so it clearly effects the team. IT happened to CJ that day, but we've got a whole injury prone starting front court playing meaningless minutes, an MVP who relentlessly throws himself at guys that are 100 pounds bigger than him and a pretty injury prone SG. I just don't see a reason to play them when its unnecessary.


CJ was struggling to that point dispite playing well in the preseason. You can't wrap players in Styrofoam. Shit happens.

[dee-rose]

Did you see what happen when JL3 was in? they were running their offense through Stucky/Byumn because they were blowing past him.


14 points is nothing in a Professional game See: Game 1 this season.

the best defense in the league was being shredded when the midget was on the court. You have a terrible sense of what fairly well is.
The lead actually increased with JL in the game. It doesn't matter who blows by him as long as Asik and Gibson are at the rim

[AngelEyes]

I've been anti-Thibs since last year mostly for the same reason.:confusedshrug:


He's the same game as Vinny just better at defense.

He's nothing at all like Vinny Del Negro. My only complain with Thibs is his managing of minutes. That's it. He's a fantastic coach, anyone who questions that is a damn moron. Del Negro is quite simply the worst coach in basketball. He is no idea and has shown no improvement since his first year in 2009. You don't fire a coach like Thibs because he manages minutes poorly at times, he's too valuable. There's a reason the Bulls were the best defensive team in the league last season and Thibs is the driving force behind that. The Bulls play smothering team defense night in and night out, they don't have the greatest offensive talent but this consistent commitment to defense is why they're always in every game.

[Rose]

There's certainly no point in contest terms; the Bulls had the game well in hand at that point, for sure. Although you have to keep in mind how much of the league is still out of shape and reeling to establish a rhythm with short training camps and very little pre-season openers to adjust.

While I'm sure some of it could simply be chalked up to Thibs being lackadaisical with the rotations, there could be other factors involved. Like I mentioned earlier, some guys (Rose in particular) might feel a need to play extra minutes, even in a blowout, to readjust to the ups and downs of a season after an extended and unexpected off-season rest.

Nevertheless, it's way too early to call for the guys job.
Even if he wanted to stay in, he's the coach he calls the shots. Rose should, and always has, respected that.

[dee-rose]

How much did he play in the Playoffs?
Really? that's your rebuttal?? Kurt thomas stepped in when guys were hurt and he did a damn fantastic job. Any bulls fan will tell you that, and they'll also say he deserved more playoff minutes especially with the way Boozer and Noah were playing

[Rhinox]

The lead actually increased with JL in the game. It doesn't matter who blows by him as long as Asik and Gibson are at the rim


no lol it didn't.


Thibs is notorious for leaving people in that are hot. Yesterday's game is proof positive of that.


If JL3 really was playing 'fairly well' he would've played more then 8 mins. just stop

[Rhinox]

Really? that's your rebuttal?? Kurt thomas stepped in when guys were hurt and he did a damn fantastic job. Any bulls fan will tell you that, and they'll also say he deserved more playoff minutes especially with the way Boozer and Noah were playing


you're right Kurt thomas is the greatest bull big man off all time last year :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AngelEyes]

Thibs is one of the most stubborn coaches in the NBA. He is a pretty good coach though but he does overplay some of his players too much specifically Derrick Rose. I had an issue with the fact that he never changed his gameplan in the ECF last season. I thought one reason why the Bulls lost to the Heat in the 2011 ECF was because they were outcoached. That is saying something since getting outcoached by Erik Spolestra is one of the most pathetic and embarrassing things that can happen to you.

He is much better than a pretty good coach. He was the defensive architect behind the 2008 champion Celtics and the driving force behind the current best defense in basketball.

[DRose1899]

Vinny is still more hilarious with his dumbass TO tho :roll:

[dee-rose]

CJ was struggling to that point dispite playing well in the preseason. You can't wrap players in Styrofoam. Shit happens.
It was the fourth quarter with a 40 point lead. JL should have been in the game. you're missing the point here. Rose just had an injury scare and might actually be hurt. Rip had an injury scare. Our front court gets hurt every year. They're the ****ing PISTONS.

[PP34Deuce]

I agree with this. And not because of the Boozer benching but because it would work on nights they aren't playing the best teams in the league. Gibson holds his own, and Boozer actually is tolerable with Asik. Or actually even Gibson next to him.

As a Boston Celtic fan living in Chicago, I see plenty Bulls games and I've so far noticed...

Ronnie Brewer hits the corner 3 better now..I felt like if he could hit that 3 with consistency...you have a staggering defensive PG-SG-SF rotation with Rose/Brewer/Deng end of games.

Is it me or do bulls players play "Keep away" with Boozer... You see him clapping and hear him calling for the ball only to see Deng pass it to Noah for Noah to pass it outside to Korver lol. I also love how every foul or tough shot you hear AND 1!

[dee-rose]

you're right Kurt thomas is the greatest bull big man off all time last year :roll: :roll: :roll:
yes because that's what i said in my post. idiot.:facepalm

[AngelEyes]

Vinny is still more hilarious with his dumbass TO tho :roll:

Hiring Del Negro was one of Paxson's greatest errors. Del Negro did absolutely nothing to hasten the development of Rose.

[themurph]

Booz played better with Kurt cuz he gave booze room to operate in the post unlike Noah.

And to Rhinox, who just said Kurt was a scrub, did you even watch the bulls last season? Thomas is far from being a scrub. Unless you call hard nosed defenders, that back up your players, and hit every open mid-range jumper they see scrubs.


U have to forgive them...They no not what they say...

[StateOfMind12]

It was the fourth quarter with a 40 point lead. JL should have been in the game. you're missing the point here. Rose just had an injury scare and might actually be hurt. Rip had an injury scare. Our front court gets hurt every year. They're the ****ing PISTONS.
Rose's x-ray was negative so he is fine, but as a fan of the Bulls you don't want to think or worry about that kind of stuff.

[dee-rose]

no lol it didn't.


Thibs is notorious for leaving people in that are hot. Yesterday's game is proof positive of that.


If JL3 really was playing 'fairly well' he would've played more then 8 mins. just stop
why are you refuting facts? I just went back and the lead actually increased by 6-7 when he was on the court. you can go check the play by play if you think i'm lying.

[Rhinox]

It was the fourth quarter with a 40 point lead. JL should have been in the game. you're missing the point here. Rose just had an injury scare and might actually be hurt. Rip had an injury scare. Our front court gets hurt every year. They're the ****ing PISTONS.


you keep saying this. Is this suppose to mean something? Part of the reason this team is successful is because they play hard all night every night otherwise thibs sits your a$$ out.

Are you saying he didn't deserve COTY last year?

[DStebb716]

Didn't read the long post. Is this guy serious (hence making him a ****ing idiot) or is he trying to make a point?

[dee-rose]

Rose's x-ray was negative so he is fine, but as a fan of the Bulls you don't want to think or worry about that kind of stuff.
He's in "considerable pain". So yea, long-term he's okay. He may miss a game or two. But you don't wanna see that happen when its totally unnecessary. I know injury's are a part of a game but its just reckless to overplay guys to this extent especially given the circumstances.

[ConanRulesNBC]

This went 5 pages? Seriously?

[Rose]

He's nothing at all like Vinny Del Negro. My only complain with Thibs is his managing of minutes. That's it. He's a fantastic coach, anyone who questions that is a damn moron. Del Negro is quite simply the worst coach in basketball. He is no idea and has shown no improvement since his first year in 2009. You don't fire a coach like Thibs because he manages minutes poorly at times, he's too valuable. There's a reason the Bulls were the best defensive team in the league last season and Thibs is the driving force behind that. The Bulls play smothering team defense night in and night out, they don't have the greatest offensive talent but this consistent commitment to defense is why they're always in every game.
Hold on, bear with me here.

We had the 10th best defense in 2009, with Tyrus (who almost missed time here), Noah who missed 10 games and then came back injured, Gibson, Aaron Gray and Brad Miller being the big men. Also Deng missed some games too, and I'm willing to see counting him since he's more or less the defensive captain now. However if you don't see the value he had on defense then I understand.

We had the best rebounding squad in basketball that year with that line up.

Same as now.

Our offense then 97.5 ppg link here (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)

Our offense last year? 98.6 link here (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)

That was with the MVP, Deng having his best year to date, adding Boozer for 45 games, and replacing Salmons/Flip Murray with Korver.


Sure it might be easier on the eyes, in a way now. But with less talent Vinny did almost the same exact thing.

[dee-rose]

you keep saying this. Is this suppose to mean something? Part of the reason this team is successful is because they play hard all night every night otherwise thibs sits your a$$ out.

Are you saying he didn't deserve COTY last year?
He did. I'm not saying he should be fired. But you're still totally missing the point. Is there any good reason for those guys to be out there at that time? At all? No, there isn't.

[1rkrage]

let's get D'Antoni instead.

[Rose]

As a Boston Celtic fan living in Chicago, I see plenty Bulls games and I've so far noticed...

Ronnie Brewer hits the corner 3 better now..I felt like if he could hit that 3 with consistency...you have a staggering defensive PG-SG-SF rotation with Rose/Brewer/Deng end of games.

Is it me or do bulls players play "Keep away" with Boozer... You see him clapping and hear him calling for the ball only to see Deng pass it to Noah for Noah to pass it outside to Korver lol. I also love how every foul or tough shot you hear AND 1!
Honestly I've seen Rip do that ALOT this year. Deng does it some times, and Rose will as well.

[dee-rose]

let's get D'Antoni instead.
I agree.:roll: Thibbs shouldn't be fired at all, but this issue has to be addressed

[dee-rose]

Honestly I've seen Rip do that ALOT this year. Deng does it some times, and Rose will as well.
I find it almost amusing.:lol

[Tenchi Ryu]

Didn't read the long post. Is this guy serious (hence making him a ****ing idiot) or is he trying to make a point?
Take him seriously. I wouldn't be as extreme with firing Thibs, but he does have a point. Thibs makes questionable moves at times, and it hurts us or scares us. Players who don't need to be playing at times usually do, vice-versa for players who SHOULD be in there. I can't count the number of times where I wished Thibs would put Korver in the game. And Deng just plays TOO many mins, its unacceptable to have him in for 40 mins. Especially when we have a rookie SF he could really benefit from the garbage mins like these tonight.

[Rose]

I'm an extremist and I demand immediate results, constantly.:rockon:

[Rhinox]

why are you refuting facts? I just went back and the lead actually increased by 6-7 when he was on the court. you can go check the play by play if you think i'm lying.


Yet the Pistons were funneling their offense through stucky/Brandon knight.

thibs didn't take Lucas out because he purposely wanted to play rose more minutes. He was constantly late on defensive rotations. If you play Defense in thibs system you will play. thats the bottom line.

[Rose]

Yet the Pistons were funneling their offense through stucky/Brandon knight.

thibs didn't take Lucas out because he purposely wanted to play rose more minutes. He was constantly late on defensive rotations. If you play Defense in thibs system you will play. thats the bottom line.
Bottom line:

You take Rose out, if the pistons get it to within 5 or whatever you deem close, you put him back in. He's not called the run stopper for nothing.

[Lebron23]

Bring Back Phil Jackson!!!

[Rhinox]

Does thibs play his starters to long sometimes? sure but thats what makes his pairing with Drose so special. They don't take nights off to develop bad habits cause 'ITS THE F#$#@ PISTONS!!!!'


If you're gonna blame anybody blame gar/pax for not trading/signing someone who can constantly create his own shot. That load is still squarely on Rose.

[dee-rose]

Yet the Pistons were funneling their offense through stucky/Brandon knight.

thibs didn't take Lucas out because he purposely wanted to play rose more minutes. He was constantly late on defensive rotations. If you play Defense in thibs system you will play. thats the bottom line.
He was doing fine in the system. He even took a charge man. He came in, hit shots, gave us energy, set up Taj for a nice dunk. I don't know what more you want from a back up?? Who cares where the ****ing pistons run anything from? They're still not gonna win the game at that point. JL's defense alone isn't enough to justify keeping Rose in the game, and it isn't enough to actually bring the bulls down. the PG spot is the most unimportant defensive spot.

And JL has nothing to do with why Deng is playing so much either. He's leading the league in minutes, even though we've had blow out wins, no OT games and capable back ups.

[Rhinox]

He was doing fine in the system. He even took a charge man. He came in, hit shots, gave us energy, set up Taj for a nice dunk. I don't know what more you want from a back up?? Who cares where the ****ing pistons run anything from? They're still not gonna win the game at that point. JL's defense alone isn't enough to justify keeping Rose in the game, and it isn't enough to actually bring the bulls down. the PG spot is the most unimportant defensive spot.

And JL has nothing to do with why Deng is playing so much either. He's leading the league in minutes, even though we've had blow out wins, no OT games and capable back ups.


oh god its the scalebrine argument. I'm done.

[Fatal9]

Is this thread a joke? Seriously, not sure if serious.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Bring Back Phil Jackson!!!
If PJ really wanted to actually take a small time job as offensive coach....I'd jizz my pants. Thibs D with the Triangle O?

OOOOOOHHHHH SHIIEEEEEET

[Rhinox]

He was doing fine in the system. He even took a charge man. He came in, hit shots, gave us energy, set up Taj for a nice dunk. I don't know what more you want from a back up?? Who cares where the ****ing pistons run anything from? They're still not gonna win the game at that point. JL's defense alone isn't enough to justify keeping Rose in the game, and it isn't enough to actually bring the bulls down. the PG spot is the most unimportant defensive spot.

And JL has nothing to do with why Deng is playing so much either. He's leading the league in minutes, even though we've had blow out wins, no OT games and capable back ups.


Why put that squarely on thibs? how about Deng take some responsibility and tap out like blake griffin often does with Vinny. If he can't handle the workload then he's being selfish by not pulling thibs aside.

[dee-rose]

oh god its the scalebrine argument. I'm done.
WTF is the Scalabrine argument?
facts:
JL came in, gave us 6 points and assist, and took a charge.
The lead went up with him in the game
Ronnie Brewer is a great back up and he only played 16 minutes.
We have a top 3 bench in the league.
It's not just the pistons, this happens ocnstanstly.

[dee-rose]

Why put that squarely on thibs? how about Deng take some responsibility and tap out like blake griffin often does with Vinny. If he can't handle the workload then he's being selfish by not pulling thibs aside.
Because he's the coach and he controls everything. He even calls EVERY play from the sideline. and no player wants to tell their coach that, even if they can't... it's just a hard thing to do.

[Rose]

Is this thread a joke? Seriously, not sure if serious.
Serious. GET HIM OUTTA HERE!!!!I've cooled down now, but this shit needs to change ASAP. Even if he is an overrated coach.

[Rhinox]

Scalebrine argument is the argument that Scales brings energy to the game people often make in boston and at times in chicago.


It doesn't help when Stacey/funk the biggest homers in sports pump up every shot and pass like its the special Olympics.

[dee-rose]

Scalebrine argument is the argument that Scales brings energy to the game people often make in boston and at times in chicago.


It doesn't help when Stacey/funk the biggest homers in sports pump up every shot and pass like its the special Olympics.
I meant energy with his scoring, passing and that charge. Not from being a victory cigar like Scal is

[Rhinox]

Because he's the coach and he controls everything. He even calls EVERY play from the sideline. and no player wants to tell their coach that, even if they can't... it's just a hard thing to do.


So Blake Griffin isn't a tough player in your opinion? he does it often in LA because Vinny lets him dictate when he wants a breather.

[ballinhun8]

This is definitely an overreaction thread.

Calm down man. Thibs is a fantastic coach and has been a blessing for us fans. No longer do we have incompetent guys like Del Negro, Cartwright, Floyd or hard headed guys like Skiles hindering our young talent.

Thibs has got his players and managements trust. No need to go overboard. Some of these guys need to bring their endurance and stamina back and having them close out games, even with leads, is fine because in the long run it will help more then hurt.

[greymatter]

The guy turned your team (now 6-1) into a defensive juggernaut and you wanna can him based on a scrub going down?

Uh, ok.

[Clocian-IGN]

This is definitely an overreaction thread.

Calm down man. Thibs is a fantastic coach and has been a blessing for us fans. No longer do we have incompetent guys like Del Negro, Cartwright, Floyd or hard headed guys like Skiles hindering our young talent.

Thibs has got his players and managements trust. No need to go overboard. Some of these guys need to bring their endurance and stamina back and having them close out games, even with leads, is fine because in the long run it will help more then hurt.

this

[dee-rose]

So Blake Griffin isn't a tough player in your opinion? he does it often in LA because Vinny lets him dictate when he wants a breather.
Not in my opinion, but I'm sure lots of players would feel like they are letting the team down or something. And Blake probably does that because VDN literally does not coach:lol

[Rhinox]

but..but.. CJ is the great backup PG in the history of backup PG's.

[Rhinox]

Bottom line is if Playing time was such an issue John Paxson would probably be waiting for thibs in the lockerroom waiting to put thibs in a headlock.


If its ok with Pax. It should be ok with bulls fans.

[Rose]

This is definitely an overreaction thread.

Calm down man. Thibs is a fantastic coach and has been a blessing for us fans. No longer do we have incompetent guys like Del Negro, Cartwright, Floyd or hard headed guys like Skiles hindering our young talent.

Thibs has got his players and managements trust. No need to go overboard. Some of these guys need to bring their endurance and stamina back and having them close out games, even with leads, is fine because in the long run it will help more then hurt.
Too rational:rolleyes:

Not listening. But seriously, You give Thibs far too much credit read back two pages and see why I don't think he's nearly as good as he gets credit for.

[dee-rose]

but..but.. CJ is the great backup PG in the history of backup PG's.
dude, stop saying stupid shit because you don't have a point. I'm not saying Thibbs should be fired at all. I think he's a great coach, but that doesn't mean every move he makes should be defended even when it's wrong. He sucks at managing minutes and he needs to address it. Just like Rose is awesome at a lot of things but needs to lay off the 3 pointers. Do I think we should trade him because he shoots too many threes? Of course not. But I'm not gonna sit here and defend him when I know he shouldn't be taking them. Same goes with Thibbs.

[dee-rose]

Bottom line is if Playing time was such an issue John Paxson would probably be waiting for thibs in the lockerroom waiting to put thibs in a headlock.


If its ok with Pax. It should be ok with bulls fans.
Oh god no.

[Glide2keva]

Scalebrine argument is the argument that Scales brings energy to the game people often make in boston and at times in chicago.


It doesn't help when Stacey/funk the biggest homers in sports pump up every shot and pass like its the special Olympics.
That would be Boston having the biggest homers.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:roll:

[Glide2keva]

Oh god no.
Don't you just love how other team's fans like to tell Bulls fans what they should be happy with or how they know everything about our team, yet they never watch them?

[GatorKid117]

Surprised Rose hasn't been questioned if hes really a Bulls fan yet. I remember that happening quite a few times.

[Rose]

Don't you just love how other team's fans like to tell Bulls fans what they should be happy with or how they know everything about our team, yet they never watch them?
Pax made good moves!

He didn't trade Tyson, the #2 overall pick, and Deng for KG!

Or trade Deng for Pau!

And he caved into the media pressure of getting an athlete and in doing so traded LA for Tyrus.:lol

Gave Deng that massive extension.(good decision now but for 3 years was very ehhh)

And he hired all these great coaches we've had. :confusedshrug:

[dee-rose]

Don't you just love how other team's fans like to tell Bulls fans what they should be happy with or how they know everything about our team, yet they never watch them?
:roll: Love it!
Seriously, if I spent my time trying to be okay with Pax for the past few years, I'd be in a straightjacket. Truth is that GarPax colossally ****ed up and then got lucky with 1.7% and a Chicago based MVP in the draft.

[dee-rose]

Remember when Deng was too valuable of a young asset to trade for Kobe?:lol

[Rose]

Remember when Deng was too valuable of a young asset to trade for Kobe?:lol
Kobe wouldn't come if Deng was traded. He thought Deng would be his Pippen. That's the one thing you can't blame on him.

[dee-rose]

But hey, at least we were racking up a lot of high-character, honourable losses :roll:

[Rhinox]

Don't you just love how other team's fans like to tell Bulls fans what they should be happy with or how they know everything about our team, yet they never watch them?


I'm a bulls fan.

[Pharcyde]

The minutes have been a little weird, but I could see Thibs thinking he just wants the team to get some playing time against a easy win to try to form some better chemistry. Other then that I don't really know.

Also from what I've read Rose is fine? Did any other info actually come out?

[Rhinox]

Remember when Deng was too valuable of a young asset to trade for Kobe?:lol

Hey remember when the bulls wouldn't be in position to draft rose if they had traded for kobe?

would your screen name have been Koo-bee?

[Rhinox]

Pax made good moves!

He didn't trade Tyson, the #2 overall pick, and Deng for KG!

Or trade Deng for Pau!

And he caved into the media pressure of getting an athlete and in doing so traded LA for Tyrus.:lol

Gave Deng that massive extension.(good decision now but for 3 years was very ehhh)

And he hired all these great coaches we've had. :confusedshrug:


I'm glad he did all those moves aren't you? We wouldn't have the youngest MVP ever in town.


idiots.

[dee-rose]

Hey remember when the bulls wouldn't be in position to draft rose if they had traded for kobe?

would your screen name have been Koo-bee?
Dude, the bulls made some colossal ****-ups over the years, forced us to watch mediocre teams and we LUCKED OUT. nothing more than that. We got the number 1 pick with 1.7 percent chances (probably rigged) AND he ended up being Derrick Rose. Rose bailed them out, but FO has done some dumb shit over the years.

No matter what happened with Rose, there is no way that Bulls fans should just be "okay" with whatever Pax thinks is okay. The fact that it worked out in the end doesn't justify the stupid moves he's made.

[Rose]

The minutes have been a little weird, but I could see Thibs thinking he just wants the team to get some playing time against a easy win to try to form some better chemistry. Other then that I don't really know.

Also from what I've read Rose is fine? Did any other info actually come out?
http://twitter.com/#!/KCJHoop

He's questionable for Friday, but glad we have tomorrow off.

[Rose]

I'm glad he did all those moves aren't you? We wouldn't have the youngest MVP ever in town.


idiots.
Are you Millenium X? you remind me of him so much with your stupidity.

Well sure he ****ed up ten times, but luckily he got bailed out!

Yes he got bailed out and I'm glad he did. But does that make him a good GM? Hell no


idiot.

[Rhinox]

Whats funny is you guys are trashing pax for all these moves who do you give credit to for last year?

Gar? hate to break it to you but Gar was part of the bulls front office for all those moves that didn't/did happen you retard

[Rhinox]

Keep trashing Deng some more though.


Kobe, KG, LA by themselves would have won titles here!

[Pharcyde]

Dude, the bulls made some colossal ****-ups over the years, forced us to watch mediocre teams and we LUCKED OUT. nothing more than that. We got the number 1 pick with 1.7 percent chances (probably rigged) AND he ended up being Derrick Rose. Rose bailed them out, but FO has done some dumb shit over the years.

No matter what happened with Rose, there is no way that Bulls fans should just be "okay" with whatever Pax thinks is okay. The fact that it worked out in the end doesn't justify the stupid moves he's made.

The Kobe trade falling through is not an example of Pax having some bad calls, considering Kobe had a no trade clause. Honestly, I don't think he's had very many stupid moves.

EDIT, let's put it this way. I think there has been a little too much timidness in the FO sometimes, but there has been some good attempts in the past few years too. A lot of it just fell through (McGrady, Big Ben etc.). And now the big moves have seemingly worked out. Just a few years ago we let BG go and 90% of Bulls fans were saying "fire Pax" and it has definitely worked out now.

[hawkfan]

Fire Thibs and hire Jerry Sloan?

[Chicago Brawls]

Dumb thread. Dumb Topic.

You get tired in a season by the accumulation of games, practices, walkthroughs, etc. Not because of the number of minutes you play in a game.

With the shortened season you get less games and many less practices. So to create chemistry after 7 months of no basketball you got to keep your players more time in the game. It's not like these guys are prepared professional athletes which sole occupation is to play a physical game...:rolleyes:

Deng and Rose are young. Jordan and Pippen averaged many more minutes in their championships runs and were much older.

As for the injuries this topic gets even dumber. No player or coach play and coach scared of injuries. No player goes soft because he's afraid of hurting himself. (Unless you are Bosh :oldlol:, just kidding) No player is more likely to get injured if he plays more minutes. A player can get hurt in the opening tip off. Rose bruised his elbow when he fell on the floor. That's a likely outcome when you drive so much as him.

Don't worry about the playoffs. A game in January doesn't affect a player performance in May. Besides this year Rose will not be required to play both PG and SG.

So relax and enjoy the defensive genius of our coach and the offensive improvements which allows us to share the ball so beautifully.

[1rkrage]

Westphal got fired. Maybe he can coach after Rose (the poster) gets Thibs fired. go go go :pimp:

[Rnbizzle]

Season has just started, Bulls need to get in a winning rhythm then they can slowly take minutes off the starters. If that's the strategy I can dig that. :confusedshrug:

[GOBB]

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12579/12881366.jpg

:roll:

[All Net]

:wtf: Is this thread?

[tobethdope]

quite funny and paradox to critique a coach for things he does when he is winning

not saying the critism is or is not deserved

[(e)]

I want Thibs locked up. He has turned Chicago into a contender.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Come on guys....no need to act like this topic is retarded or something. Of course Thibs is doing a great job, but OP does have a point. I mean for christ sake, 20 point lead with 4 mins left, the Rookie should definitely be in and not Deng.

Just cause you are succeeding doesn't mean the way you are doing it is perfect. Joe Jackson made his son almost a god. But we all know that didn't leave Michael with the best memories.

[GOBB]

Thibs is the best thing to happen to the Bulls since Phil Jackson. Short season playing your starters in a blowout? Playing them late in a game? Its not smart. Now when Wolves did it vs Dallas I had no problem. Why? The team is young, inexperienced and beating the defending champs. You keep them guys in there and taste how closing a game out feels like. Bulls? They been there, done that. Team is a contender so you dont need any late game situational experience in my eyes. Give the starts a night off given some weeks you're playing 3-4 games within a week. That said I'm not going to roast Thibs. Without him, Bulls fans wouldnt be so hopeful of possibly getting to the Finals and maybe winning it all. Let Eddie Jordan coach the Bulls after Thibs. Wait whats that Rose you see the light now? Ok. Thought so. :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

:facepalm

[Bigsmoke]

lol **** that. *Kendrick Lamar voice*

[Bigsmoke]

Thibs will be Coach of the year for the second year in a row.

Book it!

George Karl