1998 was the Worst Year of the NBA

[9erEmpire]

This year had to be the worst year in NBA history. This was the year when the Utah Jazz lost in the Finals to the Bulls.

I believe this was the tail end of the worst era in basketball.

Toronto Raptors 16-66
Denver Nuggets 11-71
Vancouver Grizzlies 19-63
Golden State Warriors 19-63
LA Clippers 17-65

Dallas Mavericks 20-62


Has there been a year when so many teams finished under 20 wins?

[Hammertime]

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[Quickening]

Everyone knows the 90s was a shitty and weak era for Basketball.... lets move on and try to forget about it.

[juju151111]

Somebody ban this retard pls.:rolleyes:

[97 bulls]

This year had to be the worst year in NBA history. This was the year when the Utah Jazz lost in the Finals to the Bulls.

I believe this was the tail end of the worst era in basketball.

Toronto Raptors 16-66
Denver Nuggets 11-71
Vancouver Grizzlies 19-63
Golden State Warriors 19-63
LA Clippers 17-65

Dallas Mavericks 20-62


Has there been a year when so many teams finished under 20 wins?
Lol I'm starting to see a theme here. Since when has the success of a season been determined by how well the bad teams are playing?

[ThatsGame]

Seems like every thread you post is anti-MJ

[9erEmpire]

This thread is about 1998 and the Utah Jazz in that year....Bulls fans stay away please...:facepalm

It's like I can't talk about anything in that era because you know who played then.

[juju151111]

Lol I'm starting to see a theme here. Since when has the success of a season been determined by how well the bad teams are playing?
Why are you talking logics with him? This is the same guy that said Wizards MJ learned his style of playing basketball from watching Kobe tape.:wtf:

[ConanRulesNBC]

This year had to be the worst year in NBA history. This was the year when the Utah Jazz lost in the Finals to the Bulls.

I believe this was the tail end of the worst era in basketball.

Toronto Raptors 16-66
Denver Nuggets 11-71
Vancouver Grizzlies 19-63
Golden State Warriors 19-63
LA Clippers 17-65

Dallas Mavericks 20-62


Has there been a year when so many teams finished under 20 wins?

worst era? The '90s were the worst era? You have got to be a troll.

I mean you do know that when the Lakers were winning in the early '00's that there was pretty much only one conference? The entire EC was a complete joke.

The NBA is finally getting back to how good it was in the '90s right now.

[9erEmpire]

worst era? The '90s were the worst era? You have got to be a troll.

I mean you do know that when the Lakers were winning in the early '00's that there was pretty much only one conference? The entire EC was a complete joke.

The NBA is finally getting back to how good it was in the '90s right now.

I believe the best teams are in the 80's and then 00's. There were a lot of good teams and dynasties that came out of the 00's.

[SlayerEnraged]

This year had to be the worst year in NBA history. This was the year when the Utah Jazz lost in the Finals to the Bulls.

I believe this was the tail end of the worst era in basketball.

Toronto Raptors 16-66
Denver Nuggets 11-71
Vancouver Grizzlies 19-63
Golden State Warriors 19-63
LA Clippers 17-65

Dallas Mavericks 20-62


Has there been a year when so many teams finished under 20 wins?

Couldn't agree more especially about the late 90's... I got more data besides those poor records:

1996-98 Was one of if not THE weakest era of basketball.. How do we know?

Well first there

[kidachi]

Why are you talking logics with him? This is the same guy that said Wizards MJ learned his style of playing basketball from watching Kobe tape.:wtf:

Got a good laugh with that when I first read it.. he can't be serious.. he can't be ****ing serious

[juju151111]

I believe the best teams are in the 80's and then 00's. There were a lot of good teams and dynasties that came out of the 00's.
I can see the 80s, but nobody in the 00s beating the 90s bulls.

[9erEmpire]

[QUOTE=SlayerEnraged]Couldn't agree more especially about the late 90's... I got more data besides those poor records:

1996-98 Was one of if not THE weakest era of basketball.. How do we know?

Well first there

[juju151111]

Got a good laugh with that when I first read it.. he can't be serious.. he can't be ****ing serious
He is blond and only see Kobe nuts in his face.

[9erEmpire]

I can see the 80s, but nobody in the 00s beating the 90s bulls.

I disagree.

Shaq and Kobe and some of the Spurs teams would have destoryed the Utah Jazz and anyone they played.

[ConanRulesNBC]

I believe the best teams are in the 80's and then 00's. There were a lot of good teams and dynasties that came out of the 00's.

Besides the Lakers from 2000-2002 the top '90s teams (not even going to include the Bulls) would have beaten any of the teams that have in the past decade. The Rockets with Hakeem, Sonics with Payton & Kemp, Jazz, Suns with Barkley, Knicks with Ewing even some of the '90s Pacers and Heat teams would destroy the teams that have competed for championships recently.

The '90s >>>>> '00s

[Zenji]

Just ban him already, the guy can't control himself.

[9erEmpire]

Besides the Lakers from 2000-2002 the top '90s teams (not even going to include the Bulls) would have beaten any of the teams that have in the past decade. The Rockets with Hakeem, Sonics with Payton & Kemp, Jazz, Suns with Barkley, Knicks with Ewing even some of the '90s Pacers and Heat teams would destroy the teams that have competed for championships recently.

The '90s >>>>> '00s


Those guys you mentioned weren't even considered the best at their position and were some were the lone stars on their team.

Hakeem- lone star on a team.
Drexler - ring chasing

Barkley - lone star and on the back end of his career.

Ewing- lone star on the worst offensive team in the 90's.

Reggie Miller - Indiana's best player and he's a 3pt shooter that plays no defense. :facepalm

Do you want me to breakdown the 00's teams?

[juju151111]

I disagree.

Shaq and Kobe and some of the Spurs teams would have destoryed the Utah Jazz and anyone they played.
Like I said No '00 team is beating the 90s bulls. Spurs team isnt destroying the jazz team.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Holy crap... nice job at trolling. Are you 9 years old?

[9erEmpire]

Like I said No '00 team is beating the 90s bulls. Spurs team isnt destroying the jazz team.

You have a top 10 player of all time, Duncan and company, and you don't think they would beat those 90's team, with lone stars?

[ConanRulesNBC]

Those guys you mentioned weren't even considered the best at their position and were some were the lone stars on their team.

Hakeem- lone star on a team.
Drexler - ring chasing

Barkley - lone star and on the back end of his career.

Ewing- lone star on the worst offensive team in the 90's.

Reggie Miller - Indiana's best player and he's a 3pt shooter that plays no defense. :facepalm

Do you want me to breakdown the 00's teams?

:wtf:

[kidachi]

I know you're just a troll and you're probably just fcuking with us.. 'cause I know you can't be serious with all these threads.. this is for the others that are reading this..


there were 6 teams with 20 or less wins in the 97-98 season because there were 5 teams with 60 wins or more.. it balances out.. that's the math sir.. like there can't be 2 teams with 0-82 or 82-0.. I don't know if I got my point across clearly but that's what I mean..

[9erEmpire]

Besides Jordan....

What player that played in the 90's would be considered a top 10 GOAT?...not many.

Don't take credit for Shaq because he built a majority of his legacy in 00's....

[SlayerEnraged]

No perimiter players besides MJ managed even 26 ppg despite the "

[Duncan21formvp]

The 90's was the only era where top 3 player's in the league won league/finals mvp's. In the 2000's you had guys like Billups (non allstar), Tony Parker, and Paul Pierce who won finals mvp's and neither were even top 10 players in the league. Also you had guys like Nash in 2005 who wasn't even a top 5 player win league mvp.

[ConanRulesNBC]

You have a top 10 player of all time, Duncan and company, and you don't think they would beat those 90's team, with lone stars?

Lone stars? WTF? Hakeem and Drexler together with solid players behind them like Horry and Sam Cassell? Those '94 and '95 Rockets teams would destroy anyone from the '00s. Hakeem had his way with Shaq in the '95 finals.

The Jazz with Stockton and Malone.

Knicks with Ewing and Starks.

Suns with Barkley, Ainge, Ceballos, Kevin Johnson

[9erEmpire]

The 90's was the only era where top 3 player's in the league won league/finals mvp's. In the 2000's you had guys like Billups (non allstar), Tony Parker, and Paul Pierce who won finals mvp's and neither were even top 10 players in the league. Also you had guys like Nash in 2005 who wasn't even a top 5 player win league mvp.

Those guys you mentioned played on far superior teams than any in the 90's.

Those players you named, may or may not be the best player on their respective teams, it shows how good these teams are from top to bottom.

[24r2]

miami would go 82-0 in that season

[Bernie Nips]

Then tons of guys have as good or better rookie seasons in 96-98 than their career.
1. Jerry Stackhouse rookie numbers: 19.2ppg,3.9apg, 3.7rpg. His career: 17.9ppg, 3.5apg, 3.3 rpg
2. Damon Stoudemire rookie numbers: 19ppg, 9.3apg, 4rpg. His career: 13.4ppg, 6.4apg, 3.5rpg
3. Shareef Abdur-Rahim rookie numbers: 18.7, 6.9, 2.2. His career: 18.1ppg, 7.5, 2.5
4. Antoine Walker rookie numbers: 17.5ppg, 9rpg, 3.2apg. His career: 17.5ppg, 7.5rpg, 3.5apg

Not gonna go into the rest of your post... but this section is goddamn retarded.

Tim Duncan rookie numbers: 21.1ppg, 2.7 apg, 11.9rpg. His career: 20.5ppg, 3.1apg, 11.4rpg.

Shaq rookie numbers: 23.4ppg, 13.9rpg, 3.5bpg. His career: 23.7ppg, 10.9rpg, 2.3bpg.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar rookie numbers: 28.8ppg, 14.5rpg, 4.1apg. His career: 24.6ppg, 11.2rpg, 3.6apg.

...and there's plenty of others. If their rookie season turned out to be their PEAK season, then maybe you'd have a point. But... in none of those cases is that true.

****in' agendas.

[9erEmpire]

Lone stars? WTF? Hakeem and Drexler together with solid players behind them like Horry and Sam Cassell? Those '94 and '95 Rockets teams would destroy anyone from the '00s. Hakeem had his way with Shaq in the '95 finals.

The Jazz with Stockton and Malone.

Knicks with Ewing and Starks.

Suns with Barkley, Ainge, Ceballos, Kevin Johnson

Drexler - ring chasing by the time he got to Houston. I won't even try to explain the rest of the roster.

Stockton/Malone - solid but they were old. It was pretty sad seeing Stockton get burned every night. Howard Eisley was getting good playing time.

Starks - considered the next best SG? Laughable.

Barkley - great years with the Suns and I won't explain his teammates.

[ConanRulesNBC]

There's nothing to explain. Those Rockets teams were just as good as any of the Spurs teams that won championships in the '00s. Same with the Jazz and the Suns. Those teams were way better than the Pistons, Heat, Celtics and '09/'10 Lakers teams.

The only team that could hang with the '90s teams were the '00-'02 Lakers and the Kings from back then too. But both teams would be destroyed by any of the '90s championship Bulls teams.

[Quickening]

There's nothing to explain. Those Rockets teams were just as good as any of the Spurs teams that won championships in the '00s. Same with the Jazz and the Suns. Those teams were way better than the Pistons, Heat, Celtics and '09/'10 Lakers teams.

The only team that could hang with the '90s teams were the '00-'02 Lakers and the Kings from back then too. But both teams would be destroyed by any of the '90s championship Bulls teams.

00-02 Lakers get destroyed?

GTFO!

[Duncan21formvp]

I disagree.

Shaq and Kobe and some of the Spurs teams would have destoryed the Utah Jazz and anyone they played.

Shaq and Kobe got swept by the Jazz and this when they won 61 games. Lakers were better in 1998 they had 4 allstars as well.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I believe this was the tail end of the worst era in basketball.


It was actually the START of what most people consider to be the worst era in history ('99-'07).

[ConanRulesNBC]

00-02 Lakers get destroyed?

GTFO!

By the Bulls? Absolutely. They could go ahead and let Shaq go off. But the rest of the Lakers would get destroyed.

[juju151111]

00-02 Lakers get destroyed?

GTFO!
They don't get destroyed, they lose through.

[SlayerEnraged]

Not gonna go into the rest of your post... but this section is goddamn retarded.

Tim Duncan rookie numbers: 21.1ppg, 2.7 apg, 11.9rpg. His career: 20.5ppg, 3.1apg, 11.4rpg.

Shaq rookie numbers: 23.4ppg, 13.9rpg, 3.5bpg. His career: 23.7ppg, 10.9rpg, 2.3bpg.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar rookie numbers: 28.8ppg, 14.5rpg, 4.1apg. His career: 24.6ppg, 11.2rpg, 3.6apg.

...and there's plenty of others. If their rookie season turned out to be their PEAK season, then maybe you'd have a point. But... in none of those cases is that true.

****in' agendas.

Kiddo name me a listfull of players with better rookie seasons than careers.. Stoudemire, AbdurRahim, Walker and Stackhouse were crappy players having career years their rookie years LOL! The guys u listed played in a high paced game and or played significantly lower minutes due to declining super fast.

[Bernie Nips]

Kiddo name me a listfull of players with better rookie seasons than careers.. Stoudemire, AbdurRahim, Walker and Stackhouse were crappy players having career years their rookie years LOL! The guys u listed played in a high paced game and or played significantly lower minutes due to declining super fast.

Stackhouse had a career year in his rookie year?

Rookie:
19.2ppg
3.7rpg
3.9apg

2000-01
29.8ppg
3.9rpg
5.1apg

...you're an idiot.

[nightprowler10]

Stockton/Malone - solid but they were old. It was pretty sad seeing Stockton get burned every night.
I thought you were too young to watch these guys. :confusedshrug:

[Legends66NBA7]

Couldn't agree more especially about the late 90's... I got more data besides those poor records:

1996-98 Was one of if not THE weakest era of basketball.. How do we know?

Well first there’s what some people say:
1. "We would not have won 70 games playing against 1980's Teams"
-Dennis Rodman, Starting forward for the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls
2. “The present day Bulls could have beaten any of these teams”
-Dr. J
When asked about who would have won, the 96-98 bulls OR his team in the mid 80’s Magic said
3. “I think it would be a great series but in the end I think Kareem would have won it for us in a game 6 or maybe 7.”
-Magic Johnson
Then there’s what happened:
In 88 there was 23 teams, then the next year there was 25 teams. The next year there was 27. It stayed 27 until 96, when there was 29 teams. That’s 6 new teams in 8 years. What happened by the Nba adding teams so rapidly is that it spaced out the good players. It made it so good players were distributed rather than combined( the Bulls kept Pippen and Jordan as well as key addition players. Most teams didn’t and this is why the Bulls won 3 titles from 96-98.) With new teams being added this suddenly, it added international players which weren’t very good and number.

Then there’s simply the age factor:
look at this list of some of the previous best players and their ages from 96-98.
1. Hakeem Olajuwan 33-35 years old
2. Karl Malone 32-34 years old
3. Charles Barkley 32-34
4. Mitch Richmond 30-32
5. Patrick Ewing 33-35
6. John Stockton 33-35
7. David Robinson 30-32
Then tons of guys have as good or better rookie seasons in 96-98 than their career.
1. Jerry Stackhouse rookie numbers: 19.2ppg,3.9apg, 3.7rpg. His career: 17.9ppg, 3.5apg, 3.3 rpg
2. Damon Stoudemire rookie numbers: 19ppg, 9.3apg, 4rpg. His career: 13.4ppg, 6.4apg, 3.5rpg
3. Shareef Abdur-Rahim rookie numbers: 18.7, 6.9, 2.2. His career: 18.1ppg, 7.5, 2.5
4. Antoine Walker rookie numbers: 17.5ppg, 9rpg, 3.2apg. His career: 17.5ppg, 7.5rpg, 3.5apg

Confidence, why don't you show every era's numbers and showcase their whole careers.

Detail it. And 1997 a weak year ? That year had 10/29 teams win over 54+ games. That's 34.5%, highest in league history to win that many games.

Why don't you talk about how the 70's was the weakest era. It's called the "dark ages" for a reason.

[bwink23]

This year had to be the worst year in NBA history. This was the year when the Utah Jazz lost in the Finals to the Bulls.

I believe this was the tail end of the worst era in basketball.

Toronto Raptors 16-66
Denver Nuggets 11-71
Vancouver Grizzlies 19-63
Golden State Warriors 19-63
LA Clippers 17-65

Dallas Mavericks 20-62


Has there been a year when so many teams finished under 20 wins?


The same Utah Jazz team that knocked off the Spurs ( Duncan,Robinson) and the Lakers ( Shaq and Kobe, SWEEP) in the same playoff run in 1998.

Shaq and Kobe (young but still an ALL-STAR that year) were the league's #1 rated offense...

Bulls beat the Jazz that year in 6 games. :D

[Quickening]

They don't get destroyed, they lose through.

Lakers in 6.... Shaq dominating.

[ThePointGuard11]

:facepalm

2000s Pacers, 76ers & Nets weren't very good teams and they made it to the finals, the Nets made it twice lol there are bad teams in every era of basketball the Nets won 12 games in 2009-2010 does that make the Lakers title mean less? In my opinion 90s era basketball > basketball in the 2000s to today. All of these rule changes to benefit the offense, the 7 game format throughout the playoffs etc., the competitive nature was greater back then as well. Opposing teams are far too friendly, it's actually sickening to see...

[bwink23]

Besides Jordan....

What player that played in the 90's would be considered a top 10 GOAT?...not many.

Don't take credit for Shaq because he built a majority of his legacy in 00's....


THANKS for the making the points of the 90's being greater than the 2000's dumb ass...Shaq didn't win shit in the 90's despite having a contending Magic team...Shaq put up his best numbers in the 90's, not the 2000's overall....funny how when the good teams of the 90's break down...here comes Shaq dominating the league....what happened for those 7 years in the "weak" 90's....YOU SUCK

[Quickening]

THANKS for the making the points of the 90's being greater than the 2000's dumb ass...Shaq didn't win shit in the 90's despite having a contending Magic team...Shaq put up his best numbers in the 90's, not the 2000's overall....funny how when the good teams of the 90's break down...here comes Shaq dominating the league....what happened for those 7 years in the "weak" 90's....YOU SUCK

Yes this is what Jordan did in the 90s as well...... except he did it over the whole decade.

[Optimus Prime]

Thinly veiled bash on MJ is thinly veiled. What's next...

"1995-1996 season was the second worst year of the NBA!!!"

:rolleyes:

[97 bulls]

THANKS for the making the points of the 90's being greater than the 2000's dumb ass...Shaq didn't win shit in the 90's despite having a contending Magic team...Shaq put up his best numbers in the 90's, not the 2000's overall....funny how when the good teams of the 90's break down...here comes Shaq dominating the league....what happened for those 7 years in the "weak" 90's....YOU SUCK
Great point. People forget that shaq played a substantial portion of his great years in the 90s. And he had some damn good teams. In fact, I think the teams he had in orlando were much better than the teams he had in LA.

[bwink23]

Yes this is what Jordan did in the 90s as well...... except he did it over the whole decade.


Jordan didn't have a team when he was losing fool...Shaq had contending teams almost every year in the 90's with the Magic and Lakers yet didnt win until 2000...:facepalm

[Optimus Prime]

agree.

No way the Utah Jazz or any team they faced would have done anything in the 80's.

Why are you agreeing with yourself on your second troll account you created within the last month?

[Quickening]

Jordan didn't have a team when he was losing fool...Shaq had contending teams almost every year in the 90's with the Magic and Lakers yet didnt win until 2000...:facepalm

Oh he didn't have a team...... nothing to do with the 80s being a much stronger era.

:facepalm :facepalm

[97 bulls]

Let's just put it out there. This is just another feble attempt to degrade michael jordan. The fact that jordan is still relavent after being retired over a decade just shows hiis greatness. I mean you got kids rioting for his shoes for goodness sake.

And when the pro kobe people aren't trying to find stupid ways to disdain jordan, the pro 80s crowd is trying to shoot down the bulls dynasty. By attacking their competition.

It just goes to show why the bulls and michael jordan are the greatest player and team ever. They are the benchmark for how all other teams and players are compared.

[Quickening]

Let's just put it out there. This is just another feble attempt to degrade michael jordan. The fact that jordan is still relavent after being retired over a decade just shows hiis greatness. I mean you got kids rioting for his shoes for goodness sake.

And when the pro kobe people aren't trying to find stupid ways to disdain jordan, the pro 80s crowd is trying to shoot down the bulls dynasty. By attacking their competition.

It just goes to show why the bulls and michael jordan are the greatest player and team ever. They are the benchmark for how all other teams and players are compared.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[bwink23]

Oh he didn't have a team...... nothing to do with the 80s being a much stronger era.

:facepalm :facepalm


NOTHING AT ALL.....:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Quickening]

NOTHING AT ALL.....:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Just a big coincidence....:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Whoah10115]

1998 was the beginning of the worst era. It was a bad year. And it got worse after that and stayed that way for almost a decade.



And please, be less transparent. Everyone can see the that this "conclusion" to the worst era of all-time is in fact your framing of Jordan's rings.

[9erEmpire]

Let's just put it out there. This is just another feble attempt to degrade michael jordan. The fact that jordan is still relavent after being retired over a decade just shows hiis greatness. I mean you got kids rioting for his shoes for goodness sake.

And when the pro kobe people aren't trying to find stupid ways to disdain jordan, the pro 80s crowd is trying to shoot down the bulls dynasty. By attacking their competition.

It just goes to show why the bulls and michael jordan are the greatest player and team ever. They are the benchmark for how all other teams and players are compared.

How so?

I find it dam right funny that I brought up the worst year in NBA history and people think it's a jab at Jordan.

Nobody cares but you fanboys....I was looking at the history of the league and this comes up as one of the worst.

What part of that don't you get?

[97 bulls]

agree.

No way the Utah Jazz or any team they faced would have done anything in the 80's.
There's no doubt in my mind that the 96 sonics, the 92 blazers, the 97,98 jazz, and the 93 suns could've beaten the 80 76ers, the 81 rockets, the 86 rockets, the 88 pistons (with an injured isiah thomas), the 89 lakers (with an injured magic and byron scott) and quite possibly the 87 celtics who were played with mchale having a fractured foot and an injured bill walton. If I'm not mistaken, the 83 sixers beat an injured lakers team too.

[PistolPete44]

1998 was the beginning of the worst era. It was a bad year. And it got worse after that and stayed that way for almost a decade.



And please, be less transparent. Everyone can see the that this "conclusion" to the worst era of all-time is in fact your framing of Jordan's rings.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

How so?

I find it dam right funny that I brought up the worst year in NBA history and people think it's a jab at Jordan.

Nobody cares but you fanboys....I was looking at the history of the league and this comes up as one of the worst.

What part of that don't you get?
Lol nobody cares? YOU MADE THE THREAD! And its clear you have an agenda. Stop being a bitch and just admit you feel kobe is better than MJ.

[bwink23]

Just a big coincidence....:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Name me all the veterans on Jordan's Bulls that were worth a crap from 1985 - 1988 when Pippen and Grant were drafted.

[Myth]

Then there’s simply the age factor:
look at this list of some of the previous best players and their ages from 96-98.
1. Hakeem Olajuwan 33-35 years old
2. Karl Malone 32-34 years old
3. Charles Barkley 32-34
4. Mitch Richmond 30-32
5. Patrick Ewing 33-35
6. John Stockton 33-35
7. David Robinson 30-32


Since when is 30-32 too old? That is the tail end of a player's prime, so their trade value goes down, but at that point they are still very productive and still in the tail end of their primes.

And your logic of saying it is a bad era includes players that averaged:
27pts/11rebs/3.6asts/2.9blk/1.6stls
27/10/4
20/13.5/5
26/4/4
22/11/2.5blks
15/11asts
25/12/3/3blks


Listing aging players who would still whoop players of many other eras is not a strong case for why the era was bad. Pathetic trolling.


Lets put it another way by comparing these "aging" players to the top players of just last season (keep in mind, this is the best of 2010-11 versus the aging players listed above, so not even counting Jordan)
Hakeem 27pts/11rebs/3.6asts/2.9blk/1.6stls > LeBron James 26.7/7/7/1.6stls
David Robinson 25/12/3/3blks = Dwight Howard 23/14/2.5blks
Karl Malone 27/10/4 > Durant 28/7/3
Charles Barkley 20/13.5/5 > Wade 25/6.5/4.5
Richmond 26/4/4 (a little worse, but damn close to) Kobe 25/5/5
Patrick Ewing 22/11/2.5blks > Carmelo Anthony 25.5/7/3
Stockton 15/11asts/3rebs/1.7sts (slightly <) Chris Paul 16/10/4rebs/2.5stls

So if these aging players are so bad, why are they comparable or better than today's best players?

[keepinitreal]

1998 was the Worst Year of the NBA for 9erEmpire

[Deuce Bigalow]

1998 was the Worst Year of the NBA for 9erEmpire
Because that's when he was born

[bwink23]

Nielsen ratings for NBA Finals = 18.7 million in 1998.
Ratings in 2000, Lakers championship = 11.6 million....just 2 YEARS LATER.

Look at that crap....a 38% drop off of viewership...apparently people loved the "weak" 90's more than the 2000's.

[Kobr]

Nielsen ratings for NBA Finals = 18.7 million in 1998.
Ratings in 2000, Lakers championship = 11.6 million....just 2 YEARS LATER.

Look at that crap....a 38% drop off of viewership...apparently people loved the "weak" 90's more than the 2000's.

http://i.imgur.com/Gpe4a.jpg

[Quickening]

Nielsen ratings for NBA Finals = 18.7 million in 1998.
Ratings in 2000, Lakers championship = 11.6 million....just 2 YEARS LATER.

Look at that crap....a 38% drop off of viewership...apparently people loved the "weak" 90's more than the 2000's.

Watching the 90s obviously put off millions of viewers.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i.imgur.com/Gpe4a.jpg
:roll:
I thought his name is Andrew

[Kobr]

:roll:
I thought his name is Andrew

Nope, it's Bryan. Sometimes he goes by Bry though. He likes that nickname.

[NumberSix]

This year had to be the worst year in NBA history. This was the year when the Utah Jazz lost in the Finals to the Bulls.

I believe this was the tail end of the worst era in basketball.

Toronto Raptors 16-66
Denver Nuggets 11-71
Vancouver Grizzlies 19-63
Golden State Warriors 19-63
LA Clippers 17-65

Dallas Mavericks 20-62


Has there been a year when so many teams finished under 20 wins?
You're the absolute worst. At least other trolls are entertaining. You fail in every possible category.

[9erEmpire]

You're the absolute worst. At least other trolls are entertaining. You fail in every possible category.

that's because I am no troll.

I don't get how explaining one of the worst years in the league, be considered trolling.

Oh wait...perhaps it has something to do with a certain #23 and we don't dare say anything about him. It's taboo?

Wait...I haven't said anything about him.

[hoop_soup]

This year had to be the worst year in NBA history. This was the year when the Utah Jazz lost in the Finals to the Bulls.

I believe this was the tail end of the worst era in basketball.

Toronto Raptors 16-66
Denver Nuggets 11-71
Vancouver Grizzlies 19-63
Golden State Warriors 19-63
LA Clippers 17-65

Dallas Mavericks 20-62


Has there been a year when so many teams finished under 20 wins?


I think Stern enjoyed the 1998 finals though, having the highest rated finals ever. That's because of one person. The person who you seem to have an unhealthy hatred and obsession with.

[Nevaeh]

Let's just put it out there. This is just another feble attempt to degrade michael jordan. The fact that jordan is still relavent after being retired over a decade just shows hiis greatness. I mean you got kids rioting for his shoes for goodness sake.

And when the pro kobe people aren't trying to find stupid ways to disdain jordan, the pro 80s crowd is trying to shoot down the bulls dynasty. By attacking their competition.

It just goes to show why the bulls and michael jordan are the greatest player and team ever. They are the benchmark for how all other teams and players are compared.

Nail on the head right here. With Kobe's Kicks getting out-sold by MJ shoes that are 16 years old now, Jordan on yet another cover of NBA2k, Kobe getting a divorce (can't troll MJ or Shaq with that one anymore), and now Bynum dominating, all of this at once is just too much to take :oldlol:

Last years sweep was just the beginning of the descent into madness for Kobe Stans. :cheers:

[Owl]

[QUOTE=SlayerEnraged]What happened by the Nba adding teams so rapidly is that it spaced out the good players. It made it so good players were distributed rather than combined( the Bulls kept Pippen and Jordan as well as key addition players. Most teams didn

[bwink23]

that's because I am no troll.

I don't get how explaining one of the worst years in the league, be considered trolling.

Oh wait...perhaps it has something to do with a certain #23 and we don't dare say anything about him. It's taboo?

Wait...I haven't said anything about him.


Using records is a little foolish to come to your conclusion....here's my way of seeing it using records:


In the 1990's there were 278 total teams....87 of those teams had 50 or more wins, and 48 of them had 25 or less wins....

31.3% WINS, 17.3% LOSSES.

In the 2000's there were 295 teams....82 of those teams had 50 or more wins, and 38 of them had 25 or less wins.....DO THE MATH


1990's > 2000's in teams with 50 or more wins....31.3% to 27.8%.

2000's > 1990's in teams with 25 or less wins.....13.2% to 17.3%.


Looking that those numbers, it all comes out in the wash. But which league would be TOUGHER....the one with the MOST 50-win teams entering the playoffs, or the one with LESS.....i'm taking the 1990's, since they had the most 50+win teams overall...who cares about the bottom feeders.

[DonDadda59]

I disagree.

Shaq and Kobe and some of the Spurs teams would have destoryed the Utah Jazz and anyone they played.

Uhhhh, the '98 Jazz beat the Duncan/Robinson Spurs 4-1 (same team that went on to win the title the next year) and SWEPT the Shaq/Kobe Lakers in the playoffs to make it to the finals.

Need proof? Here's DA GAWD tearing up that terrible Jazz team in the playoffs ('97 team):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2yhBzJjis

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[hitmanyr2k]

Uhhhh, the '98 Jazz beat the Duncan/Robinson Spurs 4-1 (same team that went on to win the title the next year) and SWEPT the Shaq/Kobe Lakers in the playoffs to make it to the finals.

Need proof? Here's DA GAWD tearing up that terrible Jazz team in the playoffs ('97 team):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2yhBzJjis

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Malone, Stockton and Hornacek may have been winding down but that pick and roll was still deadly as ever and not many teams had the personnel to stop it (except the Bulls). That Jazz team demolished a young, very athletic Laker team two years straight. In '98 the Lakers with 4 all-stars (Shaq, Kobe, Van Exel, and Eddie Jones) couldn't mess with the Jazz in the WCF. On paper the Lakers should have beaten the dogshit out of that old, unathletic Jazz team. That's why they play the games though.

[DonDadda59]

Malone, Stockton and Hornacek may have been winding down but that pick and roll was still deadly as ever and not many teams had the personnel to stop it (except the Bulls). That Jazz team demolished a young, very athletic Laker team two years straight. In '98 the Lakers with 4 all-stars (Shaq, Kobe, Van Exel, and Eddie Jones) couldn't mess with the Jazz in the WCF. On paper the Lakers should have beaten the dogshit out of that old, unathletic Jazz team. That's why they play the games though.

Exactly. But using logic in these parts is usually a bad idea.

The Jazz sonned that ultra talented Lakers team and beat the Duncan/Robinson Spurs convincingly... but they played some crap teams and were the product of a weak era. :sleeping

When trolling, one should not make it so obvious they don't know shit about what they're talking about. Free words of advice for the OP.

[Lebron23]

This is probably the worst thread that I have ever read. 9erempire and SlayerEnraged are a bunch of Kobe dick riding homo's.

1998 Chicago Bulls beat the Utah Jazz in 6 games. The same Jazz team that swept the Lakers in the Conference Finals.

I remember during that time that everyone wanted to see the Bulls and Lakers in the Finals. Bulls would have beaten that Lakers team in 5 games.

[10x91= 5 Rings]

Lakers in 6.... Shaq dominating.

Well the problem is,that there was a dude,who`s specialty it was to shut down Shaq and laugh in his face,while doing so. You might of heard of him.

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i366/sportlistikz/DRod/slam16dr.jpg


Don`t hate.Appreciate!

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i366/sportlistikz/slide_43427_329363_large.jpg

[tobethdope]

isnt that the "i was too young to watch jordan" guy?
for him to even have an opinion on this is laughable

[Smoke117]

The Bulls lost '94 All-Star BJ Armstrong in the expansion draft. Okay he was a little lucky to become an All-Star but he was a perfect floor spacing one for those Bulls, a better defender than Kerr and a better ball handler/shooter/floor spacer than Harper. He was exposed to expansion because he was slightly overpaid, but was nonetheless a quality player and was taken 1st.
If you're arguing the Bulls padded their win totals vs expansion teams, they didn't (3-1 vs Toronto, 2-0 vs Vancouver .8333333 win% they were 67-9 .881579 versus the rest of the league). So unless you're arguing that other teams lost better players than BJ in expansion (they didn't) the Bulls were disadvantaged by expansion, and we should compensate their record up, not down.


The one legit argument for saying the 98 NBA (or that general era) was weak (though why anyone would say weaker than '99 which featured the lockout and no MJ- unless perhaps provacatively) is that the 86-91 Draft classes turned out fairly weak especially with regard to superstars ('87 being the biggest exception) and such players would be peaking in the mid to late 90's. However the gluts of talent before (with players like MJ, Stockton, Malone, Olajuwon, and Ewing lasting well) and after meant the NBA was well stocked with talent. For example at center there was David Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo and Dikembe (I believe 90's was the strongest era for centers, though 70's gives some competition).

That there were many teams winning 20 games or less means nothing, the net record of all teams was .500 as it ever will be, what you're discussing is talent distribution.

Saying BJ was a better defender than Kerr is like saying diareah is better than vomit. BJ Armstrong was a horrendous defensive player. 1998 was not especially strong year in the league but the early 00's were pretty awful too. The Pacers, Sixes, Nets would just get crushed by their Eastern Coast Brethren right now. Never had the East or or any conference been so utterly pathetic as the East was in the early 2000's. Also 9erempire is officially the biggest douche bag fan boy on this board now. He's not even amusing, just an idiot.

[SlayerEnraged]

Confidence, why don't you show every era's numbers and showcase their whole careers.

Detail it. And 1997 a weak year ? That year had 10/29 teams win over 54+ games. That's 34.5%, highest in league history to win that many games.

Why don't you talk about how the 70's was the weakest era. It's called the "dark ages" for a reason.

Well I'll be honest.. I have no historical knowledge of the anything before the 80's cause I'm to young. For all I know the 96-98 wouldn't be that bad compared to some other times before 1980, but by far it is worse than any other time frame from the 80's-present. By every era's numbers do u mean something like this?

Season League PPG
1991 106.3
1992 105.3
1993 105.3
1994 101.5
1995 101.4
1996 99.5
1997 96.9
1998 95.6
1999 91.6

*Btw here's how u know the 90's were worse than the 80's.

Season # of Perimiter Players Each season on top 10 scoring list(besides MJ)
85 7
86 8
87 7
88 6
89 5
90 3
91 5
92 5
93 2
95 2
96 1
97 6
98 4

1. There were 2 Perimeter Players besides Jordan averaging 30ppg for a season from 1984-1990 vs. 0 from the 7 years that Jordan played in the 90’s.
2. There were 5 Perimeter players besides Jordan averaging 29 ppg for a season from 1984-1990 vs. 1 from the 7 years that Jordan played in the 90’s.
3. There were 6 Perimeter players besides Jordan averaging 28ppg for a season from 1984-1990 vs. 2 from the 7 years Jordan played in the 90’s.
4. There were 8 Perimeter players besides Jordan who averaged 27ppg for a season from 1984-1990 vs. 2 from the 7 years Jordan played in the 90’s.
5. There were 9 Perimeter players besides Jordan who averaged 26ppg for a season from 1984-90 vs. 4 from the 7 years Jordan played in the 90’s.
6. There were 10 Perimeter players besides Jordan who averaged 25ppg for a season from 1984-90 vs. 8 from the 7 years Jordan played in the 90’s.
7. There were 12 Perimeter players besides Jordan who averaged 24ppg for a season from 1984-90 vs. 9 from the 7 years Jordan played in the 90’s.
8. There were 18 Perimeter players besides Jordan who averaged 23 ppg for a season from 1984-90 vs. 16 from the 90’s.

Bernard King was 34 years old in 1991, well past his prime AND he managed to put up 28.4ppg, 5rpg and 4.6apg. In a even more watered down league at the same age Jordan managed to put up 28.7ppg, 5.8 rpg and 3.5apg.

All my facts relate to MJ but it just goes to show that especially from a perimiter player standpoint, the 90's and especially late 90's sucked.

[bwink23]

[QUOTE=SlayerEnraged]Well I'll be honest.. I have no historical knowledge of the anything before the 80's cause I'm to young. For all I know the 96-98 wouldn't be that bad compared to some other times before 1980, but by far it is worse than any other time frame from the 80's-present. By every era's numbers do u mean something like this?

Season League PPG
1991 106.3
1992 105.3
1993 105.3
1994 101.5
1995 101.4
1996 99.5
1997 96.9
1998 95.6
1999 91.6

*Btw here's how u know the 90's were worse than the 80's.

Season # of Perimiter Players Each season on top 10 scoring list(besides MJ)
85 7
86 8
87 7
88 6
89 5
90 3
91 5
92 5
93 2
95 2
96 1
97 6
98 4

1. There were 2 Perimeter Players besides Jordan averaging 30ppg for a season from 1984-1990 vs. 0 from the 7 years that Jordan played in the 90

[sekachu]

[QUOTE=SlayerEnraged]Well I'll be honest.. I have no historical knowledge of the anything before the 80's cause I'm to young. For all I know the 96-98 wouldn't be that bad compared to some other times before 1980, but by far it is worse than any other time frame from the 80's-present. By every era's numbers do u mean something like this?

Season League PPG
1991 106.3
1992 105.3
1993 105.3
1994 101.5
1995 101.4
1996 99.5
1997 96.9
1998 95.6
1999 91.6

*Btw here's how u know the 90's were worse than the 80's.

Season # of Perimiter Players Each season on top 10 scoring list(besides MJ)
85 7
86 8
87 7
88 6
89 5
90 3
91 5
92 5
93 2
95 2
96 1
97 6
98 4

1. There were 2 Perimeter Players besides Jordan averaging 30ppg for a season from 1984-1990 vs. 0 from the 7 years that Jordan played in the 90

[97 bulls]

[QUOTE=SlayerEnraged]Well I'll be honest.. I have no historical knowledge of the anything before the 80's cause I'm to young. For all I know the 96-98 wouldn't be that bad compared to some other times before 1980, but by far it is worse than any other time frame from the 80's-present. By every era's numbers do u mean something like this?

Season League PPG
1991 106.3
1992 105.3
1993 105.3
1994 101.5
1995 101.4
1996 99.5
1997 96.9
1998 95.6
1999 91.6

*Btw here's how u know the 90's were worse than the 80's.

Season # of Perimiter Players Each season on top 10 scoring list(besides MJ)
85 7
86 8
87 7
88 6
89 5
90 3
91 5
92 5
93 2
95 2
96 1
97 6
98 4

1. There were 2 Perimeter Players besides Jordan averaging 30ppg for a season from 1984-1990 vs. 0 from the 7 years that Jordan played in the 90

[Glide2keva]

The 90s era was a different animal from the 80s. The points were lower due to the way the game was played. Not because of a lack of talent.

And using the PPG of perimeter players is a terrible way to try to make a determination as too how strong or weak the 90s was. The teams played more inside out as opposed to now. There were a lot of great centers in the 90s.

One more thing, I got a question for you. If the bulls won 70 games due to the talent being diluted, why were they able to win 55 games without jordan, pre expansion in 96?
It's a lack of understanding of the game that really bothers me about these trolls.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I can see the 80s, but nobody in the 00s beating the 90s bulls.


I also think a prime 90s Bulls team would beat a 00s prime Lakers, or prime Spurs, or prime 04 Pistons team in 7 games.

[Micku]

[QUOTE=SlayerEnraged]
1. There were 2 Perimeter Players besides Jordan averaging 30ppg for a season from 1984-1990 vs. 0 from the 7 years that Jordan played in the 90

[Legends66NBA7]

Is that you 9erEmpire?:lol

Naw, it's Kobe Confidence.

[bwink23]

Let me start off saying that I think the 80s have better perimeter players than the 90s.

With that said, I think your point is invalid.

Points does not determine the quality of perimeter players. Magic Johnson, the GOAT PG, only average above 23 ppg ONCE in his entire career. And he might be better than any player in the 90s not named Jordan.

Larry Bird never average 30 ppg either, and he might be also better than any other player in the 90s not named Jordan.

Even James Worthy never average 23 ppg, and he is top 10 SF.

And what about John Stockton? Kevin Johnson? Gary Payton? Penny Hardaway? They never average 23+ ppg in the 90s, yet they were elite players. John Stockton and Gary Payton are top 10 PGs and they did some revolutionary things and set records that nobody broken yet. Your list doesn't even include two or three of the top 10 PGs in the history of the NBA. Fun fact, Gary Payton average above 23+ ppg in the 00s, out of his prime.

Joe Dumars is an HOF and could be a top 10 SG, and he only average above 23 ppg once.

Most of the top players in the 80s didn't even score that much. They played more team ball than anything else.

You listing perimeter players that didn't score and not saying anything else with it to establish quality in perimeter players is just not insightful and don't accurately determine the level of play.

If you watched in basketball in the 80s, you would know that passing and teamplay was more of the thing because of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. They dominated the league WITHOUT scoring, that's what made them so good and unique. And people criticize Jordan for scoring so much because they believed that it took away from the team and the ability to win.



This is the same guy who said he could understand and analyze NBA basketball at 5 years old.....NUFF SAID.

[Roundball_Rock]

[QUOTE]
Then there

[Artillery]

1998 was a great year. It's the last time I remember everyone around me, whether it be student or teachers, actively talking about basketball(possibly due to the hype around MJ's coming retirement). Hell, even my parents were watching basketball games with me(something I haven't seen them do since). One of my teachers would spend a few minutes of class time talking about the previous night's Bulls game(huge Bulls homer) and arguing with the Knicks fans in the class. I remember a comment from some kid in the back saying "Man, Jordan and Malone are ancient history. Kobe and Duncan are the future" Good times.

[Legends66NBA7]

1998 was a great year. It's the last time I remember everyone around me, whether it be student or teachers, actively talking about basketball(possibly due to the hype around MJ's coming retirement). Hell, even my parents were watching basketball games with me(something I haven't seen them do since). One of my teachers would spend a few minutes of class time talking about the previous night's Bulls game(huge Bulls homer) and arguing with the Knicks fans in the class. I remember a comment from some kid in the back saying "Man, Jordan and Malone are ancient history. Kobe and Duncan are the future" Good times.

Wow, great prediction.

[Asukal]

2000s is the worst era for the nba, idiots like the OP were born. :roll:

[9erEmpire]

another hit thread by me.

[9erEmpire]

2000s is the worst era for the nba, idiots like the OP were born. :roll:

How can it be the worst when 3 out of the top 10 played in the 00's.

Lebron and Wade may be taking some spots too.

[SlayerEnraged]

This is probably the worst thread that I have ever read. 9erempire and SlayerEnraged are a bunch of Kobe dick riding homo's.

1998 Chicago Bulls beat the Utah Jazz in 6 games. The same Jazz team that swept the Lakers in the Conference Finals.

I remember during that time that everyone wanted to see the Bulls and Lakers in the Finals. Bulls would have beaten that Lakers team in 5 games.

Oh really ******? At least for me, I'm not a kobe dick riding homo..I respect MJ very much and while I do think Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan, In my posts they weren't about that...I was showing people that it was a worse league. I'll do a break down of centers and powerforwards averaging certain ammounts of ppg and we'll see if there's less of them averaging good numbers in the 90's vs. 80's as well.

[SlayerEnraged]

1999-2004 league ppg: AFTER JORDAN...before rule changes

91.6, 97.5, 94.8, 95.5, 95.1, 93.4....compare that to the 90's.

I'd rather have 2 perimeter guys on my team averaging 15-18 ppg on 48-50%FG and a PF or Center averaging 24 on 50-54%FG, then some crusty SG averaging 26 on 42-45%FG taking most of the shots....WOULDN'T YOU??

It depends..Soon I'll do a break down of centers and power forwards averaging certain ammounts of ppg in the 80's vs. the 90's. Rodman said they (the bulls) wouldn't have won 70 games in the 80's with their 96 team..That pretty much right there says teams weren't as stacked or overall talented.

[SlayerEnraged]

How about these guys? All of these players made at least one all-NBA first or second team during the 96'-98' period:

Penny Hardaway: 24-26 years old
Grant Hill: 23-25 years old
Shawn Kemp: 26-28 years old
Gary Payton: 26-29 years old
Glen Rice: 28-30
Tim Duncan: 21
Shaq: 23-25
Vin Baker: 24-26

Regarding the players you listed, Malone had his best years during this period, despite his age...

You could cherry pick aging stars with any era. For example for this season:

Kobe 33
Gasol 31
Dirk 33
Amare 29
Wade 30
KG 35
Pierce 34
Nash 37


U kinda got a point with that but the problem is in the late 90's, MOST of the good players were old. The ones u named were literally practically the only good young players. This era obviously has older ones like u said, but the talent list goes on and on...There's more young stars today than in the 90's period.

[SlayerEnraged]

Is that you 9erEmpire?:lol

LOL at u clown thinkin i'm 9erEmpire :rolleyes: The day I make multiple accouns for any forum is the day I give people permission to shoot me in the head.

[bwink23]

U kinda got a point with that but the problem is in the late 90's, MOST of the good players old. The ones u named were literally practically the only good young players. This era obviously has older ones like u said, but the talent list goes on and on...There's more young stars today than in the 90's period.


Your WAY OFF with that assessment.

[SlayerEnraged]

Your WAY OFF with that assessment.
Who else was good besides those young ones he mentioned (especially from 96-98)?

[RRR3]

Oh really ******? At least for me, I'm not a kobe dick riding homo..I respect MJ very much and while I do think Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan, In my posts they weren't about that...I was showing people that it was a worse league. I'll do a break down of centers and powerforwards averaging certain ammounts of ppg and we'll see if there's less of them averaging good numbers in the 90's vs. 80's as well.
http://i36.tinypic.com/s473pl.jpg

[SlayerEnraged]

http://i36.tinypic.com/s473pl.jpg

Tryin to be funny? If so ur pretty bad at it :lol

[fadeaway3]

Oh really ******? At least for me, I'm not a kobe dick riding homo..



I respect MJ very much and while I do think Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Your first statement completely contradicts your second. Only Kobe dick riding homos believe what you said.

[SlayerEnraged]

Your first statement completely contradicts your second. Only Kobe dick riding homos believe what you said.

Nope son. I have eyes to watch film and make judgements from what I SEE. Now go on off to bed u need ur rest...:sleeping

[Legends66NBA7]

Oh really ******? At least for me, I'm not a kobe dick riding homo..I respect MJ very much and while I do think Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan, In my posts they weren't about that...I was showing people that it was a worse league. I'll do a break down of centers and powerforwards averaging certain ammounts of ppg and we'll see if there's less of them averaging good numbers in the 90's vs. 80's as well.

Classic stuff Confidence.

[L8krH8tr]

Original Poster is a typical wannabe Laker/kobe sack rider who thinks he knows about the history of the nba. nice troll post, Saying the year Jordan won a title is worse than Spurs/Cavs shows how dumb you are.

[SlayerEnraged]

Classic stuff Confidence.

I might have some1 film my bball game tomorrow and u guys might get to see me for the first time.

[bwink23]

I might have some1 film my bball game tomorrow and u guys might get to see me for the first time.


:rolleyes: ....you have alot of trouble hiding the fact your 18 years old and wet behind the ears don't you?

[SlayerEnraged]

:rolleyes: ....you have alot of trouble hiding the fact your 18 years old and wet behind the ears don't you?

Ur an idiot. U brave enough to put a video of u on here? That's right now STFU rabbit..I'll be at the gym shooting so I can show ur ass how to play ball. I love bein 18..startin to enter my prime..I've accomplished a lot of things from 17-18.

[bwink23]

Ur an idiot. U brave enough to put a video of u on here? That's right now STFU rabbit..I'll be at the gym shooting so I can show ur ass how to play ball. I love bein 18..startin to enter my prime..I've accomplished a lot of things from 17-18.


:cry:

[SlayerEnraged]

:cry:

Whats the matter? Scared to expose ur love handles to ur friends? I aint afraid of bein seen old man...Have fun wackin off to the 90's :banana: I be shootin...Don't worry in tomorrows game I'll do the fingerwag that u stupid loons say Kobe stole from Jordan anytime I hit a shot :no:

[juju151111]

Whats the matter? Scared to expose ur love handles to ur friends? I aint afraid of bein seen old man...Have fun wackin off to the 90's :banana: I be shootin...Don't worry in tomorrows game I'll do the fingerwag that u stupid loons say Kobe stole from Jordan anytime I hit a shot :no:
Your cred went down when you said Kobe>>MJ Even the thread starter never said this and he sucks Kobe nuts. Don't get mad that nobody takes u seriously after that comment.

[bwink23]

Whats the matter? Scared to expose ur love handles to ur friends? I aint afraid of bein seen old man...Have fun wackin off to the 90's :banana: I be shootin...Don't worry in tomorrows game I'll do the fingerwag that u stupid loons say Kobe stole from Jordan anytime I hit a shot :no:


:violin: .....if you were some hot chick looking to get naked on cam for us, i'd say got for it. But to watch some Kobe terd stroker play amatuer ball with amatuer players, no thanks...i'd just go to the local high school gym for that on Saturday nights. Forgive me if i dont share your enthusiasm.

[Kobr]

Whats the matter? Scared to expose ur love handles to ur friends? I aint afraid of bein seen old man...Have fun wackin off to the 90's :banana: I be shootin...Don't worry in tomorrows game I'll do the fingerwag that u stupid loons say Kobe stole from Jordan anytime I hit a shot :no:

lol 32dayz ain't an old man. He might be younger than you. He's a little filipino kid.

[Legends66NBA7]

I might have some1 film my bball game tomorrow and u guys might get to see me for the first time.

You're telling me this because?...

Edit - Nevermind, saw your thread and replied there.

[bwink23]

lol 32dayz ain't an old man. He might be younger than you. He's a little filipino kid.


You don't know me very well...i'm not 32dayz, i'm not a young snot like you....stop trolling me kid.

[Kobr]

You don't know me very well...i'm not 32dayz, i'm not a young snot like you....stop trolling me kid.

Whatever you say, Bry. :oldlol:

I'd work on the constant "your" typos before you try coming back under a new name though. Just some advice.

[bwink23]

Whatever you say, Bry. :oldlol:

I'd work on the constant "your" typos before you try coming back under a new name though. Just some advice.


You don't know me son....find yourself out the door....

[SlayerEnraged]

:violin: .....if you were some hot chick looking to get naked on cam for us, i'd say got for it. But to watch some Kobe terd stroker play amatuer ball with amatuer players, no thanks...i'd just go to the local high school gym for that on Saturday nights. Forgive me if i dont share your enthusiasm.

So that's the way u are? When u aren't good enough for pro level you just quit? If U didn't think I should film it, u could have said no and not been a dick about it. I'm a nice guy but u and that netcap001 or w/e are two things: A) the biggest ***** out there and B) Incredibly stupid about the simplest of things.

[StarJordan]

>This was the year when the Utah Jazz lost in the Finals to the Bulls.

Unfortunately for you, it is the most popular and the highest rated NBA Finals of All Time!