Kobe Bryant vs. Lebron James Playoffs: Game Winning Shots

[pauk]

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png

[I]"As you can imagine our reader response to this data varied; The Kobe Haters were ecstatic, the objective readers were enlightened, and Kobe Nation was infuriated. Emotions ran the gamut as there was something for everybody.

However, aside from the differing reactions, one question that I was repeatedly asked was

[Deuce Bigalow]

How many championships do they have? I forgot

[Quickening]

5 is one less than 7?

[pauk]

How many championships do they have? I forgot

not sure what that has to do with being clutch? :confusedshrug:

[ThatsGame]

How many championships do they have? I forgot

How many good players did LeBron have around him. I forgot.

[Heavincent]

not sure what that has to do with being clutch? :confusedshrug:

A lot actually.

[Deuce Bigalow]

How many good players did LeBron have around him. I forgot.
Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh
he put up a legendary 3.0 PPG in the 4th quarters

[Miller for 3]

Wow! Thanks, I completely forgot about this since the last 17 times it was posted!

[G-Funk]

look at the teams they faced lol

[Heavincent]

look at the teams they faced lol

And the one on the Wizards was a blatant travel. To this day I'm shocked they didn't call that.

[Andrei89]

LoL

good job pauk. Although you are the most ****ed up troll around here that list is A+

All the Kobe stans claiming that Kobster is more clutch than Lebron:roll: :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

LoL

good job pauk. Although you are the most ****ed up troll around here that list is A+

All the Kobe stans claiming that Kobster is more clutch than Lebron:roll: :roll:
Are you being serious?

[pauk]

Look... yes i am a Lebron fan... but i am not biased... i love FACTS.... that is my only BIAS............ if by facts Kobe was more clutch... if by facts Kobe was more productive and so on.... then i would call him better/more clutch/more productive..... its very simple............ doesnt mean i should stop having Lebron as my favorite player? he is my favorite player because i love his style... not because anything else... altho i cant lie, that is a plus....

thats why it bothers me how so many Kobe fans are so different from example me? why is it so hard to accept and move on? does your favorite HAVE to be the best at everything? do you HAVE to bash somebody else because that somebody else is not your favorite player?

i just dont get it....

[TheAesirsFinest]

Can we please just stop bickering like fanboys about who's better and just appreciate them both for being damn good ballers.

[hoop_soup]

The problem is that Lebron seems to be scared of taking the game winning shot, unlike Kobe. I don't know if he had those issues with the Cavs, but he certainly has them with the Heat. No matter how bad Kobe has been, no matter how old he is or how much better Lebron is as a player, I would still rather have Kobe take the game winner over Lebron. Some may call it Lebron being a smart player, deferring to his teammate, but I can't help but see it as a weakness. He seems to have lost any confidence he has had in end of game situations.

[Andrei89]

Are you being serious?
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Heavincent]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74

One of the most BS non-calls of all time. God damn look at that shit.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Are you being serious?

While he's not, it isn't as big of a gap you Kobe fans make it out to be. Lebron the last several years has been right there with Kobe down the stretch.

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

[pauk]

Can we please just stop bickering like fanboys about who's better and just appreciate them both for being damn good ballers.

Exactly... this thread was nothing but merely a thread to present you people here with some interesting FACTS.... take it however you wish

[Heavincent]

i am not biased

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Just admit it. I've got no problem what so ever admitting that I am biased. You should do the same.

[pauk]

While he's not, it's not a big of a gap as you Kobe fans make it out to be. Lebron the last several years has been right there with Kobe down the stretch.

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

the sorting is based on PPG.... but if you consider the rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, percentage aswell... then Kobe is much further down...

[pauk]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Just admit it. I've got no problem what so ever admitting that I am biased. You should do the same.

im a Lebron fan... i love to talk about Lebron... thats it... but i am not biased.... dont even try... call me whatever you wish... a "troll", idiot, moron... whatever you wish... but biasness.... for me as a fan, that is the biggest insult....

the only biasness for me is FACTS....

i dont know how you portray that word "biased"... but i would NEVER say something WHAT IS NOT TRUE/FACTUAL... lets just get that one straight.... then you can call me biased if u wish... :cheers:

[Heavincent]

the sorting is based on PPG.... but if you consider the rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, percentage aswell... then Kobe is much further down...

Kobe is an incredibly clutch player. Stop lying to yourself.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

the sorting is based on PPG.... but if you consider the rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, percentage aswell... then Kobe is much further down...

I know that. These stats aren't the only barometer that define 'clutch-play' though.

[pauk]

Kobe is an incredibly clutch player. Stop lying to yourself.

he is... i didnt say nor the facts say he wasnt ... but thats not the point

[RRR3]

Can we please just stop bickering like fanboys about who's better and just appreciate them both for being damn good ballers.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[RazorBaLade]

souns like bron should be taking way more so he can win :_

[Phong]

look at the teams they faced lol:roll: :roll: :roll:

Early 2000's Spurs and Kings, 2006 Suns vs 2006 Wizards and 2007 Pistons... :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

[QUOTE=pauk]
[I]"As you can imagine our reader response to this data varied; The Kobe Haters were ecstatic, the objective readers were enlightened, and Kobe Nation was infuriated. Emotions ran the gamut as there was something for everybody.

However, aside from the differing reactions, one question that I was repeatedly asked was

[williams012]

A lot actually.

But really nothing.

[williams012]

http://i.imgur.com/YhUK8.jpg

Yes, that picture refutes facts.

[Fiasco]

All I'm seeing is that Kobe has made more game winners than LeBron.

[Micku]

They actually had an article on the stats of game winner shots with a bunch of players.

I think Michael Jordan was at 50% in his game winning playoff shots or something insane like that. But I could be wrong, but I'm sure it was a high percentage. Like high 40s or 50%

They had Ray Allen too, but I forgot his. I think his was pretty high too.

I don't think they had Larry Bird's playoff game winning stats. That's too bad because he hit a couple and everybody talked about how clutch he was.

And I think they had Horry game winning stats too.

[Alamo]

When it comes to playoffs, only one thing matters.



http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7747/umadmiamiheatkobebryant.jpg

[RazorBaLade]

All I'm seeing is that Kobe has made more game winners than LeBron.

Idk if this was subtle sarcasm, which is nice, but I still think its truthful. The fact of the matter is we don't know if lebron will miss his next 20 gamewinners. We do know that Kobe is not afraid to shoot them, and considering diminishing returns (ie, with all shooting, the more you take the less you make) you have to take the 7/25 guy over the guy who's maybe 4/8... You never know how many you can miss in a row with gws in the 4/8 case, and if he truly shoot that well, I'd be disappointed as a fan that he has so little because it meant he passed up shots to people who definitely don't shoot well. I'll take 7/25... But in playoffs Kobe definitely has no case for being an all time clutch player. But bron doesn't either. Regular season is another story tho in kobes case.

[bwink23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74

One of the most BS non-calls of all time. God damn look at that shit.


And Kobe started out 2 for 14....WHO CARES.

[Phong]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74

One of the most BS non-calls of all time. God damn look at that shit.And he even screams for an And1... :facepalm