Why don't people use stats per 36 minutes more often?

[StateOfMind12]

It seems like it might be a better stat to use than per game because it adjusts the minutes played rather than games played.

e.g. if one player is usually a top 5 scorer in the league and typically averages about 27 ppg but then in one game he has to leave the game in the 1st quarter due to an injury. That injury would really mess with his averages for per game statistics wouldn't it That isn't the case with per 36 minutes though and I think it should be used more often.

[Bigsmoke]

If i get head from this fine bitch at my job, i'm not going to count the number of times she sucked every 36 minutes.

[Andrei89]

If i get head from this fine bitch at my job, i'm not going to count the number of times she sucked every 36 minutes.
:lol :lol :lol

[Andrei89]

It seems like it might be a better stat to use than per game because it adjusts the minutes played rather than games played.

e.g. if one player is usually a top 5 scorer in the league and typically averages about 27 ppg but then in one game he has to leave the game in the 1st quarter due to an injury. That injury would really mess with his averages for per game statistics wouldn't it That isn't the case with per 36 minutes though and I think it should be used more often.

Because playersget tired stupid RG.

You cant go per 36 for a player who plays 10 minutes a game. He is fresh, he does his job and then goes the *** out. If Wade, Kobe or Lebron had to play only 10 minutes a game they would average 50 ppg per 36.

[SlayerEnraged]

I like using the 36 mins per stat. It's not a good one to use when comparing players playing 10 mpg and players playing 36 or so mpg but other wise it's good. Dwayne Wade 2010 stats: 25.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 4.6 apg vs Kobe's 25.3ppg, 5.1rpg,4.7apg. However Wade played 37.2mpg while Kobe only played 33.9mpg. Now let's look at the per 36 min stats.

Wade: 24.7ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.4apg vs. Kobe's 26.9ppg, 5.4rpg and 5 apg.

Mad Wade fans? MPG=only reason wade ever came close to Kobe's numbers.

[ThatsGame]

I like using the 36 mins per stat. It's not a good one to use when comparing players playing 10 mpg and players playing 36 or so mpg but other wise it's good. Dwayne Wade 2010 stats: 25.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 4.6 apg vs Kobe's 25.3ppg, 5.1rpg,4.7apg. However Wade played 37.2mpg while Kobe only played 33.9mpg. Now let's look at the per 36 min stats.

Wade: 24.7ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.4apg vs. Kobe's 26.9ppg, 5.4rpg and 5 apg.

Mad Wade fans? MPG=only reason wade ever came close to Kobe's numbers.

You forgot to look at FGA, dumbnuts.

All the stats show is Wade is less selfish and shares the ball with LeBron James and other people more. Kobe is a ballhog that shotjacks.

[Droid101]

You forgot to look at FGA, dumbnuts.

All the stats show is Wade is less selfish and shares the ball with LeBron James and other people more. Kobe is a ballhog that shotjacks.
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[Wade3]

You forgot to look at FGA, dumbnuts.

All the stats show is Wade is less selfish and shares the ball with LeBron James and other people more. Kobe is a ballhog that shotjacks.


Kobe - Top 10 Player of All Time

Love Dwyane but he can't compare to Kobe's Greatness

[SlayerEnraged]

You forgot to look at FGA, dumbnuts.

All the stats show is Wade is less selfish and shares the ball with LeBron James and other people more. Kobe is a ballhog that shotjacks.

LOL moron then how come Kobe averages more assists per 36 than KObe if he passes more? If Kobe had Lebron to pass to he'd be getting 10+apg LOL!

plus Wade shot 19.5FGA per 36 minutes vs Kobe's 21.2...WOW basically 1 more shot per game and as far as FTA's go Wade: 8.3 vs Kobe's 7.6. Wade get's more FTA than Kobe with less FGA's...Anyone hear the voice in the sky saying D-whistle? :lol

[ThatsGame]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6mHJKI7agiE/TDlPHqChiaI/AAAAAAAAAVw/xsgf_9SEWTc/s400/KobeYouMad.jpg

Why would I be mad that someone misinterprets stat sheets?

If anything just look at PER, that should be easy enough for those that can't analyze. Wades PER last year was 25.6, Kobe's was 23.9.

[SlayerEnraged]

Why would I be mad that someone misinterprets stat sheets?

If anything just look at PER, that should be easy enough for those that can't analyze. Wades PER last year was 25.6, Kobe's was 23.9.

PER is stupid cause it's a sum of EVERY stat meaning if u don't get much of something then ur screwed. Kobe's style of defense isn't weak side help blocking shots OR steals. Bowen, Battier,Sefelosha, etc will vouch u don't needa have high steals or rpg. Whats sad is 32 year, 15 year pro KB was >29 year old and only 8 season played D-Whistle! Even sadder is that it's the same story this year, just add 1 more year LOL!

[Myth]

Kenneth Faried is best defensive player in the league!

15.2rpg / 9.5blks :bowdown:

[Pushxx]

If i get head from this fine bitch at my job, i'm not going to count the number of times she sucked every 36 minutes.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :lol

Repped. :pimp:

[yobore]

PER is stupid cause it's a sum of EVERY stat meaning if u don't get much of something then ur screwed. Kobe's style of defense isn't weak side help blocking shots OR steals. Bowen, Battier,Sefelosha, etc will vouch u don't needa have high steals or rpg. Whats sad is 32 year, 15 year pro KB was >29 year old and only 8 season played D-Whistle! Even sadder is that it's the same story this year, just add 1 more year LOL!
If you want to look at individual stats normalized to something, just use the rebound rate, assist rate, turnover rate (the stuff PER uses). Per 36 is kind of outdated, doesn't consider the pace

[RRR3]

Because then we'd know who the REAL stars were, and Stern doesn't want us to know this.

But...
Have no fear, I'll educate us all and reveal the truth!!!


Per 36:

Byron Mullens-22/8/1/0/1 on 53/0/100
Jimmy Butler-30/11/0/0/2 on 80/-/100
John Lucas-24/3/6/1/0 on 46/50/100
Luke Harangody-36/12/4/0/0 on 67/50/-
Sean "Barf Bag" Williams-30/13/0/2/2 on 71/-/100

[Whoah10115]

It's relevant when considering a case like Kobe last season. I believe he led the league in scoring on a Per36. But then you'd have to consider fatigue.


It's good to look up and consider, but it's better to just use the overall Per and then consider the MPG as well.

[Heavincent]

You forgot to look at FGA, dumbnuts.

All the stats show is Wade is less selfish and shares the ball with LeBron James and other people more. Kobe is a ballhog that shotjacks.

Of course he shares the ball more...because he has ****ing Lebron James on his team.

Kobe takes more shots because he is the Lakers best scoring option by far. The same can not be said for Wade since Lebron is on his team.

[Fatal9]

Needs to be used properly.

Can't be using it for bench players, who play against secondary lineups and play limited (high energy) minutes. But gives you a good idea of their production still (need to keep in mind lot of guys aren't capable of playing 30+ minutes because they can't stay on the floor that long due to foul trouble/conditioning/matchups etc). Like most stats, people need to realize how to use it properly instead of finding exceptions to act like it's useless (ie. *insert scrub here* is averaging this per 36 means it's useless).

[StateOfMind12]

Needs to be used properly.

Can't be using it for bench players, who play against secondary lineups and play limited (high energy) minutes. But gives you a good idea of their production still (need to keep in mind lot of guys aren't capable of playing 30+ minutes because they can't stay on the floor that long due to foul trouble/conditioning/matchups etc). Like most stats, people need to realize how to use it properly instead of finding exceptions to act like it's useless (ie. *insert scrub here* is averaging this per 36 means it's useless).
That sounds about right and as someone else mentioned earlier this thread it should only be used when comparing players that are comparable with others (e.g. Kobe vs. Lebron, Lebron vs. Wade, etc.) and play close to the same minutes, (e.g. 30 mpg vs. 33 mpg, 34 mpg vs. 38 mpg, 22 mpg vs. 27 mpg, etc.)

[StateOfMind12]

***. now you'r slurping kobes di*k. lol. so are you a hardcore lakers fan nowdays?. remember when you were a rockets fan when yao the man made out of glass was right. lolo:lol
So is your goal to stalk me in every one of my posts and threads just because I said Tracy McGrady isn't that good and isn't worth a double team anymore? :oldlol: Pathetic.

[sodap]

this is like a tv series episode vs a movie. true, a movie has more time to make an impact on you, but an episode has the advantage of less time to bore the viewer and higher intensity on every scene... also, this is reversed when we talk about the whole season vs the movie.

playing 36 minutes is just not the same as playing 20 minutes, so stats per 36 minutes are bullshit. the minutes you play in a game are another stat by itself, maybe wade didnt produce as much as kobe per 36 minutes, the thing is kobe wasnt fit enough to play as much as wade.

more minutes = more time to pad stats TRUE, but its also true that more minutes = more time to screw up and more production for the team (theres much more to basketball than what appears in scoreboards)

[StateOfMind12]

If you see how per 36 minute stats are calculated, they aren't that different from stats per minute. The calculation is simply divide the total (e.g. points, assits, rebounds, etc.) with minutes and then multiply by 36. I think it's a good stat only if it is taken for context like a few have stated like Fatal9.

[chips93]

If you see how per 36 minute stats are calculated, they aren't that different from stats per minute. The calculation is simply divide the total (e.g. points, assits, rebounds, etc.) with minutes and then multiply by 36. I think it's a good stat only if it is taken for context like a few have stated like Fatal9.

. . . but the thing i want to know is . . . are you RG?

[StateOfMind12]

. . . but the thing i want to know is . . . are you RG?
Check the IPs and lets see the results; I can almost guarantee you they won't match. Can you now contribute to this thread about this topic/subject now?

[RRR3]

. . . but the thing i want to know is . . . are you RG?
He is I guarantee it. He's already exposing himself.

[chips93]

Check the IPs and lets see the results; I can almost guarantee you they won't match. Can you now contribute to this thread about this topic/subject now?

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its inconclusive

[Dwyane Rose]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6mHJKI7agiE/TDlPHqChiaI/AAAAAAAAAVw/xsgf_9SEWTc/s400/KobeYouMad.jpg

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Nope.

[StateOfMind12]

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/239473_o.gif

its inconclusive
lol at that gif, but aren't all stats inconclusive though? What are your thoughts on per 36 minutes though? I mean, I am assuming it is better than win shares and PER right?

[N0Skillz]

lol at that gif, but aren't all stats inconclusive though? What are your thoughts on per 36 minutes though? I mean, I am assuming it is better than win shares and PER right?


anyhing is better then per

[chips93]

lol at that gif, but aren't all stats inconclusive though? What are your thoughts on per 36 minutes though? I mean, I am assuming it is better than win shares and PER right?

i meant whether you are RG or not is inconclusive.

i think per 36 is useful, like a few people have said, only for comparing players with close enough minutes.

as for PER, i think its an ok stat. it doesnt mean everything like critics claim its supposed to, but its kinda useful

and win shares, well i have no idea how they are calculated, and ive asked many times here, for an explanation.

ive seen people use them to explain how great their player is, and then they have no idea what it actually means.

if you know, id love an explanation.

[StateOfMind12]

i meant whether you are RG or not is inconclusive.
You can go ask the mods and admins to compare IPs and that will be the answer. It won't match and that is what I am saying. I am simply here just to discuss about basketball specifically the NBA. Would you want to join and have an intelligent discussion about that with me instead of discussing about pointless stuff that me and most people don't care about?


i think per 36 is useful, like a few people have said, only for comparing players with close enough minutes.

as for PER, i think its an ok stat. it doesnt mean everything like critics claim its supposed to, but its kinda useful.

Good, we agree on both subjects.


and win shares, well i have no idea how they are calculated, and ive asked many times here, for an explanation.

ive seen people use them to explain how great their player is, and then they have no idea what it actually means.

if you know, id love an explanation.

I don't understand how win shares work either. It seems like it is just a bogus statistic to defend their favorite player or the player they are arguing for rather than actually proving or showing anything.

Here are a couple of examples of why win shares is pointless and dumb,


Detlef Schrempf, Dana Barros, Reggie Miller, and Stockton were all ahead of Hakeem in win shares in 1995. The same year that Hakeem Olajuwon was the best player in the league and the #2 best at the very worst. Hakeem wasn't even top 10 in win shares that season.

Brent Barry had more win shares than Jason Kidd did in 2002. 2002 was the same season where Jason Kidd was a legit MVP candidate and was argued that he should have won the MVP that season

[D-Wade316]

It seems like it might be a better stat to use than per game because it adjusts the minutes played rather than games played.

e.g. if one player is usually a top 5 scorer in the league and typically averages about 27 ppg but then in one game he has to leave the game in the 1st quarter due to an injury. That injury would really mess with his averages for per game statistics wouldn't it That isn't the case with per 36 minutes though and I think it should be used more often.
Agree. :applause: It can only be used to compare similar players. There's no comparison between scrubs, role players, or superstars.

[D-Wade316]

If you see how per 36 minute stats are calculated, they aren't that different from stats per minute. The calculation is simply divide the total (e.g. points, assits, rebounds, etc.) with minutes and then multiply by 36. I think it's a good stat only if it is taken for context like a few have stated like Fatal9.
This.