Did Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer flourish because of Jerry Sloan?

[Duncan21formvp]

Did Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer flourish because of Jerry Sloan?

You look at these guys now in NJ and Chicago and they don't seem to be the same players anymore. Like on the same level they once were. Neither of them are old, so age can't be used as an excuse, so do you think it is the system they are playing under in both NJ and Chicago on why they can't dominant like they did in Utah or do you think it was Sloan's tutelage that aided under that Flex Offense? Or just some other reasons?

Thoughts!!

[FireDavidKahn]

I think Sloan's guidance helped Williams' team mates get into certain positions to succeed which in turned helped Deron more than Sloan helped Deron directly.

Edit: And Boozer has always been overrated. He benefited the most from playing with Sloan and Williams.

[knightfall88]

Deron's team is shit that's why he isn't doing so well

[LA_Showtime]

Williams has no one to pass to, and motivation is obviously a problem. The Nets weren't going anywhere anyway, but it didn't help that Lopez got injured.

Boozer's overrated because of how much he's paid and what he's expected to bring to the Bulls. He's a solid player, and he actually gets way too much hate for not producing big numbers, but he'll never be a franchise type guy.

[Darkess]

Williams has no one to pass to, and motivation is obviously a problem. The Nets weren't going anywhere anyway, but it didn't help that Lopez got injured.

Boozer's overrated because of how much he's paid and what he's expected to bring to the Bulls. He's a solid player, and he actually gets way too much hate for not producing big numbers, but he'll never be a franchise type guy.

Boozer's numbers haven't been a problem, it's his attitude. He's overrated BECAUSE of his numbers.

Deron is simply not shooting well at all - 35% is pathetic. Yes, the system probably helped both players in Utah.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Deron has no one to play with, and as a PG you have to have an at least DECENT team around you to be considered elite like Deron was in Utah.

[Tenchi Ryu]

This year, Boozer is looking a lot closer like his Utah days compared to last year offensively. I credit half of this to Boozer healing his injury, and the other to Rose improving his overall PG skills.

[LA_Showtime]

Boozer's numbers haven't been a problem, it's his attitude. He's overrated BECAUSE of his numbers.

Deron is simply not shooting well at all - 35% is pathetic. Yes, the system probably helped both players in Utah.

What's wrong with his attitude?

Boozer is a solid offensive player, an above average rebounder, and a poor defender. The Bulls surely knew this before signing him. If they're looking for a guy to be the man down low on both sides of the floor they should've looked elsewhere.

[Darkess]

What's wrong with his attitude?


He's known to be divisive in the locker room, only cares about numero uno and has no problem sitting out games with very minor injuries.

That said, he's exactly what you listed. Great at scoring and getting defensive rebounds while lacking on the defensive end.

[Tenchi Ryu]

What's wrong with his attitude?

Boozer is a solid offensive player, an above average rebounder, and a poor defender. The Bulls surely knew this before signing him. If they're looking for a guy to be the man down low on both sides of the floor they should've looked elsewhere.
THIS.

Defense is tight enough that even Boozer's defensive flaws can be overlooked. Offense was needed, which he supplies. The Rebounding just adds more firepower to the overall weaponry.

[LA_Showtime]

Personally, I think Noah is more overrated than Carlos Boozer. Most people know Boozer's limitations. Noah's a solid defensive player and rebounder, but he's offensively inept and injury prone.

[DRose1899]

This year, Boozer is looking a lot closer like his Utah days compared to last year offensively. I credit half of this to Boozer healing his injury, and the other to Rose improving his overall PG skills.
please :roll:
he have 5 good game, n 5 shit game, that its.

50/50!

LOL

[Jasper]

Deron's team is shit that's why he isn't doing so well
I have always liked Booz

Maybe because 6'11" PF's I believe should be Centers.
(In other words PF's that are 6'11" or taller do not hav low post skills )
While Booz is old school back to the basket hard as$

Rose doesn't find him as often as he should , and it isn't Booz's fault it's the coach.

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D-Will is a top3 PG , and I still like him above CP3.
He flourished in Sloans offense , because EVERY player knew where to go , and hoe to play their defined role.

D-Will right now is playing with garbage , and is trying to work with his temmates , but we wouldn't have this conversation , if he just shot the ball scored 24 PPG and had a 40% and 5 dimes.

Flourished under SLoan - OF COURSE
Truying to fit in with their new teams - OF COURSE


Personally, I think Noah is more overrated than Carlos Boozer. Most people know Boozer's limitations. Noah's a solid defensive player and rebounder, but he's offensively inept and injury prone.
Noah is over rated , but the fact is he is a role player , and very good at what he does.
Right now he is over shadowed by PF's that do the kind of board work he does (Portland / Minny) and those guys score.
Noah is a great center as is Chandler , 5's don't need to score to be exceptionally effective.
Their 10-12 ppg come from weak side offense , put backs ,and dunks.

[Xiao Yao You]

Boozer is a solid offensive player, an above average rebounder, and a poor defender.

You forgot injury prone. The system definitely made him look a lot better than he is.

Deron would be good in any system. Needs some players around him.

[Lebron23]

Yes, They were both a product of the Sloan System.

[Ca$H]

Yes, They were both a product of the Sloan System.

LOL. Random bump.

[bizil]

Deron's main problem to me is the injuries. At his best, dude was arguably the top PG in the world. It was a debate between him and CP3 at one point. Sloan's system loved the pick and roll or pick and pop with a PG and PF. Thus Stockton and Malone was VIRTUALLY UNSTOPPABLE. Every possible option in the play they were great at. So while D Will-Booz wasn't on their level as a tandem, they were still doing well in that system.

I say if it wasn't for the injury bug that D-Will would still be a top five PG in the world. He was athletic and hella strong, had alpha dog level abilities, and was more pass first than the new breed of PG. Now he's still a 16 point 7 assist PG. But he should be in that 20 points-9-10 assists area. The injuries are the big problem with him

When it comes to Boozer, I think that system did more to enhance his game. Williams at one time was a top 10-15 player in basketball. Boozer was never on that level. Not saying Boozer was a system player strictly, but I think him being out of Sloan's system did more harm to him than it ever did D-Will.