Michael Jordan average 30.4 ppg at age 33

[StarJordan]

Kobe at 30.3

[Bladers]

actually it was 29.6 on 48% FG shooting

[SpecialQue]

Your point?

[b1imtf]

Your point?
Based on what he posted Jordan >>>>>> Kobe. We gonna act like 30.3 and 30.4 is close? Please...:facepalm

[DStebb716]

That's a false stat. And this is Kobe's 16th season in the NBA, so age doesn't tell the story of the wear and tear. Kobe is also as banged up as you can be without missing time.

[mattvNJ]

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad289/bhilde1/camron.gif

[bwink23]

actually it was 29.6 on 48% FG shooting


Having we been over this???

[kennethgriffin]

ACTUALLY jordan by age 32 averaged 30.4ppg ( with 4 assists )

jordan by age 33 averaged 29.6ppg ( with 4 assists )

kobe by age 33 averaged 30.3ppg ( with 6 assists )



Jordan missed practically the entire 85-86 season

he missed the entire 93-94 season

he missed 80% of the 94-95 season



this means jordan did his 29ppg @ 33 years old in basically his 10th full season

and had 3 years to rest his knees

while kobe has played atleast 80% of all the games in a season and never had any breaks to rest

[Micku]

Jordan turned 33 near the end of the 1995-96 season.

And a better comparison would just wait until Kobe finish the season. Even though Jordan would play more games than Kobe this season, it will still balances out.

If you guys are can't help yourselfs and want to compare Kobe to Jordan, you should do it right and compare it game by game. Kobe played 12 total games. Compare Jordan with 12 total games as well.


And technically, Jordan average 29.6 ppg after 12 games in his 96-97 season when he started off the season at 33 years old (his average for the season as well). Jordan I think was more efficient than Kobe, but meh. It's not important until the end of the season. The averages would go up and down at each given game. Like Jordan after 17 games, in the 96-97 season, averaged 32.4 ppg at 50% shooting. But that doesn't matter since his ppg went down at the end of the season.

Same with Kobe. It's great to be excited about it, but we'll see if Kobe could keep it up. But it's bad to compare a player who average for a whole 82 games to someone who has played only 12 games. It's tough to not compare, but it's not really a fair comparison when you do that.

Even then, Jordan would have played more games than Kobe and Kobe would play more back to back to back games. So, there are little differences here and there.

[StarJordan]

no jordan was in april of 1996

30.4

[ThatsGame]

You need to take FGA into account as well.

[rule1223]

what was jordan doing in his 16th season?? oh yeah, watching at home after kobe retired his ass by dropping 55 on him

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

You need to take FGA into account as well.

Yeah. It's a difference of 1 FGA per game.

[kennethgriffin]

are we forgetting the fact that jordan averaged

4 assists in 96

4 assists in 97

and

3 assists in 98


kobe has 6 assists per game with his 30 points


brah :lol

[juju151111]

Why does this matter? MJ is regarded has the Goat and Kobe is somewhere in top 7-10 al-time. 33 year old Kobe matching 33 year old MJ means noting. MJ stats,Mvps,defense,FMVps,playoffs stats etc... Destroys Kobe. Lol I.don't get why these kobetards are going crazy.

[juju151111]

what was jordan doing in his 16th season?? oh yeah, watching at home after kobe retired his ass by dropping 55 on him
MJ never guarded Kobe that gm dumbass. MJ playoffs stats and FMVP >>Kobe.

[bwink23]

ACTUALLY jordan by age 32 averaged 30.4ppg ( with 4 assists )

jordan by age 33 averaged 29.6ppg ( with 4 assists )

kobe by age 33 averaged 30.3ppg ( with 6 assists )



Jordan missed practically the entire 85-86 season

he missed the entire 93-94 season

Jordan wasn't "resting his knees"....if you even knew or have heard what Jordan was like, you'd know he was NEVER SEDENTARY. He played baseball, worked out, basketball in between with some golf. He didn't just loaf around like a couch potato.

he missed 80% of the 94-95 season



this means jordan did his 29ppg @ 33 years old in basically his 10th full season

and had 3 years to rest his knees

while kobe has played atleast 80% of all the games in a season and never had any breaks to rest


Jordan missed games from 85-93 = 71
Kobe in his first 9 years = 111.

Jordan's minutes in his first 9 years = 25,842
Kobe's minutes in his first 9 years = 21,962

Despite missing almost a full season to his broken foot, Jordan still played 3,880 more minutes than Kobe. Then Jordan missed 147 games during his baseball stint, or about 5,586 minutes.

So in essence, Kobe played 1,706 more minutes than Jordan over the next 2 years, or about a 45 more games than Jordan.

Minutes wise, even when Jordan retired for almost 2 years....compared by minutes, Kobe only played 45 more games than Jordan did....BIG DEAL.

[rule1223]

MJ never guarded Kobe that gm dumbass. MJ playoffs stats and FMVP >>Kobe.
kobe lit his ass up as usual, jordan couldnt even handle a 19y/o kobe, it would have been embarassing to see him try to guard prime kobe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-kKQMue4g&t=2m33s

[kennethgriffin]

Jordan missed games from 85-93 = 71
Kobe in his first 9 years = 111.

Jordan's minutes in his first 9 years = 25,842
Kobe's minutes in his first 9 years = 21,962

Despite missing almost a full season to his broken foot, Jordan still played 3,880 more minutes than Kobe. Then Jordan missed 147 games during his baseball stint, or about 5,586 minutes.

So in essence, Kobe played 1,706 more minutes than Jordan over the next 2 years, or about a 45 more games than Jordan.

Minutes wise, even when Jordan retired for almost 2 years....compared by minutes, Kobe only played 45 more games than Jordan did....BIG DEAL.

wtf does first 9 years have to do with anything..

kobes played 16 years you numbskull

[gotvtec]

lets not compare nobody to Michael. Michael is Michael.

[dude77]

what was jordan doing in his 16th season?? oh yeah, watching at home after kobe retired his ass by dropping 55 on him

no offense but you're an idiot .. this quote right here is typical of a kobe stan and shows you just how superior jordan is to this copycat .. gloating about how a 20something bryant outplayed an almost 40 jordan .. good job dumbass

[inclinerator]

lets not compare nobody to Michael. Michael is Michael.
lol

[LALakerFan4Life]

what was jordan doing in his 16th season?? oh yeah, watching at home after kobe retired his ass by dropping 55 on him
Fail post :facepalm

[ThatsGame]

Yeah. It's a difference of 1 FGA per game.

Well then check out 3PA and FTA as well. Or his WS.

You also need to remember that you are comparing a whole season to a few good games by someone. Very fair comparison there bud.

[kennethgriffin]

no offense but you're an idiot .. this quote right here is typical of a kobe stan and shows you just how superior jordan is to this copycat .. gloating about how a 20something bryant outplayed an almost 40 jordan .. good job dumbass


i dont see how kobes first 9 years worth of mileage has anything to do with him averaging 30ppg in his 16th year

he has 16 years of mileage

not 9

sixteen lol

[LALakerFan4Life]

are we forgetting the fact that jordan averaged

4 assists in 96

4 assists in 97

and

3 assists in 98


kobe has 6 assists per game with his 30 points


brah :lol
If Phil was still coaching the Lakers, Kobe would still be averaging 4-5 APG under the Triangle. So doesn't really matter. Mike was still a dominant player. So would Kobe.

[rule1223]

no offense but you're an idiot .. this quote right here is typical of a kobe stan and shows you just how superior jordan is to this copycat .. gloating about how a 20something bryant outplayed an almost 40 jordan .. good job dumbass
how bout 19y/o kobe off the bench dropping 33 on 60% shooting on his ass

[bwink23]

wtf does first 9 years have to do with anything..

kobes played 16 years you numbskull


How about i make it a little simpler for your slow brain...

Jordan thru 11 years (including injured foot year, and first retirement years = 29,600 minutes. (age 21-32)

Kobe thru 11 years = 28,379 ( age 18-28)

Jordan played MORE MINUTES than Kobe, despite being OLDER during their first 11 years.....take your excuses and put them somewhere stinky.

[Jasper]

That's a false stat. And this is Kobe's 16th season in the NBA, so age doesn't tell the story of the wear and tear. Kobe is also as banged up as you can be without missing time.
Yep and if Jordan didn't play baseball , we might of seen 9 rings.

no sense in comparing seasons missed , college career vs pro career out of high school - let's just drop it.

[LALakerFan4Life]

kobe lit his ass up as usual, jordan couldnt even handle a 19y/o kobe, it would have been embarassing to see him try to guard prime kobe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-kKQMue4g&t=2m33s
I still have the games they played against each other on tape. Kobe did pretty damn good against Mike in Chicago. But next week at the All-Star game in New York, Mike embarrassed Kobe.

[HB40TheNextStar]

I don't get how a season ending injury is a good thing as far as rest goes. You kind of need to rehab, among other things.

[NumberSix]

are we really comparing an 82 game season to 12 games?

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Well then check out 3PA and FTA as well. Or his WS.

You also need to remember that you are comparing a whole season to a few good games by someone. Very fair comparison there bud.

:oldlol:

What do 3PAs have to do with anything other than FG%?

Kobe's been doing well getting to the line so far, shooting about one and a half more free throws than Jordan did.

WS? Win Shares? Come on now son.

I agree, it's silly to compare 12 games to a full season, so we'll see. Perhaps Kobe will end up with better numbers after his wrist heals. Perhaps he'll shoot less 3's and raise his FG% even more.

[bwink23]

:oldlol:

What do 3PAs have to do with anything other than FG%?

Kobe's been doing well getting to the line so far, shooting about one and a half more free throws than Jordan did.

WS? Win Shares? Come on now son.

I agree, it's silly to compare 12 games to a full season, so we'll see. Perhaps Kobe will end up with better numbers after his wrist heals. Perhaps he'll shoot less 3's and raise his FG% even more.


Well then..if we're comparing...then after the first 12 games of MJ's 1997 season....he went for 36.0ppg on 50.4%FG in his next 7 games....let's see if Kobe can match that.

[Smoke117]

Michael Jordan also played with a guy named Scottie Pippen in 97 who was a true 2nd option and a first option on most teams. Kobe plays with Bynum and Gasol who aren't exactly as consistent as Scottie and his 20.2ppg average.

[Micku]

I don't get how a season ending injury is a good thing as far as rest goes. You kind of need to rehab, among other things.

Didn't he came back early too?


Regardless, I think the whole milage vs age + retirement thing might be silly.

As I said in another thread, even when Michael Jordan came back from his 1st retirement, he had to get back into basketball shape. He only average 26.9 ppg on 41.1% shooting. He needed time to get back into basketball shape and get his instincts back. I highly doubt he would perform like that if he never retired.

And look at Magic Johnson when he tried to comeback. He was only 36 and he had a five year retirement. Even though he played PF, he wasn't the same player. A 31/32 year old Magic Johnson who played in the Olympics would play better than a 36 comeback Magic. And Magic Johnson would probably play much better if he never retired.

Now imagine Magic being 38/39 years old trying to make a comeback? Jordan did that, and he didn't do so well. He didn't have the athleticism, he didn't have the stamina, and he was more prone to injuries. He had to work himself back to shape, which is probably harder to do when you are older. Especially when you had no plans of returning back to pro basketball.

[dude77]

i dont see how kobes first 9 years worth of mileage has anything to do with him averaging 30ppg in his 16th year

he has 16 years of mileage

not 9

sixteen lol

that's all you have .. his mileage .. lol smh .. the guy has great conditioning .. ok so he's better than jordan :facepalm

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Well then..if we're comparing...then after the first 12 games of MJ's 1997 season....he went for 36.0ppg on 50.4%FG in his next 7 games....let's see if Kobe can match that.

Lol why 7 games?

[Meticode]

Imagine for a second that Kobe does average 30.0PPG for the season with a f*cked up wrist. Anarchy will explode in the Kobe vs. Jordan threads.

[StacksOnDeck]

Why does this matter? MJ is regarded has the Goat and Kobe is somewhere in top 7-10 al-time. 33 year old Kobe matching 33 year old MJ means noting. MJ stats,Mvps,defense,FMVps,playoffs stats etc... Destroys Kobe. Lol I.don't get why these kobetards are going crazy.

You ran so quick in this thread with Jordan's c*ck in your mouth, you didn't even realize a Kobe hater is the OP.

[rule1223]

that's all you have .. his mileage .. lol smh .. the guy has great conditioning .. ok so he's better than jordan :facepalm
when youre in your 16th season, most of your athleticism is gone, so your entire game is based on skill, kobes skill>>>>>jordan. How many points was jordan dropping in his 15th season when most of his athleticism was gone? now compare that to kobe who has more mileage and less athleticism to begin with

[NumberSix]

Imagine for a second that Kobe does average 30.0PPG for the season with a f*cked up wrist. Anarchy will explode in the Kobe vs. Jordan threads.
Oh c'mon. His wrist is fine at this point. Kobe is playing well. Leave it at that. Let's not be a bunch of little drama queens.

[bwink23]

Lol why 7 games?


Why not?? You guys are using 12.

[NumberSix]

Why not?? You guys are using 12.
Meh. Fair Enough.

[Meticode]

Oh c'mon. His wrist is fine at this point. Kobe is playing well. Leave it at that. Let's not be a bunch of little drama queens.
Tell that to Kobe Homers.

[bwink23]

Oh c'mon. His wrist is fine at this point. Kobe is playing well. Leave it at that. Let's not be a bunch of little drama queens.


That's asking alot of the Kobe stans...they are all drama queens and excuse-making babies. If Kobe break a nail, this board would light up with threads about how kobe can even play with a broken nail.

[LALakerFan4Life]

when youre in your 16th season, most of your athleticism is gone, so your entire game is based on skill, kobes skill>>>>>jordan. How many points was jordan dropping in his 15th season when most of his athleticism was gone? now compare that to kobe who has more mileage and less athleticism to begin with
Dude, Michael was already 40 and way past his prime. But he showed that he can still play.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Why not?? You guys are using 12.

I'm not using that, but I guess the OP used 12 because that's the amount of games Kobe has played this season :confusedshrug: . That's all we have to go on now.

Oh yeah and in case you didn't know, the OP is not a fan of Kobe. He actually was trying to prop Jordan up with this thread. So the 'It's only been 12 games" talk really hurts the Jordan agenda of this thread more than anything.

[Bladers]

no jordan was in april of 1996

30.4


You are a dumass. ESPN has him at 96-97 at 33.

He was born in feb by the way and played most of his 33 years in 96-97.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

It's also hilarious how people get angry at people for mentioning Kobe's injuries. You go try and shoot a ball with a ligament torn in your wrist and arthritic fingers. Why do Kobe's injuries seemingly mean nothing?

[bwink23]

You are a dumass. ESPN has him at 96-97 at 33.

He was born in feb by the way and played most of his 33 years in 96-97.


Jordan was 33 by his 51st game of the 1995-1996 season if you want to be technical about it.

[hitmanyr2k]

It's also hilarious how people get angry at people for mentioning Kobe's injuries. You go try and shoot a ball with a ligament torn in your wrist and arthritic fingers. Why do Kobe's injuries seemingly mean nothing?

Kobe's injuries mean nothing to me when he's shooting 25-30+ times a game. The hurt wrist bullshit isn't flying anymore.

[juju151111]

You ran so quick in this thread ith Jordan's c*ck in your mouth, you didn't even realize a Kobe hater is the OP.
Retard i was refering to the responses and the past two days of kobe fans going crazy.

[KingLeBronJames]

Kobe's injuries mean nothing to me when he's shooting 25-30+ times a game. The hurt wrist bullshit isn't flying anymore.
What about Allen Iverson?

[bwink23]

It's also hilarious how people get angry at people for mentioning Kobe's injuries. You go try and shoot a ball with a ligament torn in your wrist and arthritic fingers. Why do Kobe's injuries seemingly mean nothing?


Cuz it doesn't stop him from doing what he always does that why....Jordan played the whole 1993 finals with a bad wrist...he dumped 64 points on Shaq's Magic in 1993 with a bad wrist. Kobe stans act like he's near death and can't function, and IF he wasn't injured, he would be some mythical beast averaging 40ppg on 60%FG if his wrist wasn't hurt....they EXAGGERATE incredibly. Larry Bird broke his pointer finger playing softball the summer right before his rookie year, on his shooting hand. Permanently crooked before one NBA game. Can you imagine what Kobe stans would do with that??

[Bladers]

Jordan was 33 by his 51st game of the 1995-1996 season if you want to be technical about it.

Exactly and the age you begin the season with and play majority of is the age that is taged to that season.

He started 95-96 as 32 and played majority as 32.
His 33 years will then be 96-97.

Its basic shit. But his fanboys like you wont accept it.
ESPN just had a graphic up yesterday about this shit. And they had Jordans 33 years as 96-97.

I'm looking for the link to pic, dumass mods deleted teh thread.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What's hilarious is Kobe knows his fans are gullible as ****, so he'll just keep using his "wrist injury" as a built-in excuse for his lackluster games.

Kobe is at the very least 80% out there. Shooting 25+ shots a game with his "sprained wrist" LMAO!

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

That's asking alot of the Kobe stans...they are all drama queens and excuse-making babies. If Kobe break a nail, this board would light up with threads about how kobe can even play with a broken nail.
It's amazing that Kobe can still be dominant with the injuries he has unlike Allen Iverson. And he was a great scoring machine.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Kobe's injuries mean nothing to me when he's shooting 25-30+ times a game. The hurt wrist bullshit isn't flying anymore.

Who cares what it means to you? It is what it is. Haven't you guys just thought that maybe he loves the game so much that he will play through the pain (when he can)?

Like no one else gets shit for being injured. Jordan played with the flu and people worship the n!gga like he cured cancer. No one else accused him of lying or tried to play down his sickness.

[bwink23]

Exactly and the age you begin the season with and play majority of is the age that is taged to that season.

He started 95-96 as 32 and played majority as 32.
His 33 years will then be 96-97.

Its basic shit. But his fanboys like you wont accept it.
ESPN just had a graphic up yesterday about this shit. And they had Jordans 33 years as 96-97.

I'm looking for the link to pic, dumass mods deleted teh thread.


Half a season is 41 games....Jordan was around 33 HALF WAY thru 96, and 34 HALFWAY thru 97....that's not THE MAJORITY..


If you think 11 games is some kind of significant majority, you need to kill youself.

[juju151111]

Cuz it doesn't stop him from doing what he always does that why....Jordan played the whole 1993 finals with a bad wrist...he dumped 64 points on Shaq's Magic in 1993 with a bad wrist. Kobe stans act like he's near death and can't function, and IF he wasn't injured, he would be some mythical beast averaging 40ppg on 60%FG if his wrist wasn't hurt....they EXAGGERATE incredibly. Larry Bird broke his pointer finger playing softball the summer right before his rookie year, on his shooting hand. Permanently crooked before one NBA game. Can you imagine what Kobe stans would do with that??
MJ was playing with bad knees and a broken knuckle at 35 years old in 98. Bird was shitting on the league 86-88 with a ****ed up finger and back. MJ played most of the 93 season with a bad wrist.

[macpierce]

Kobe's injuries mean nothing to me when he's shooting 25-30+ times a game. The hurt wrist bullshit isn't flying anymore.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[bwink23]

It's amazing that Kobe can still be dominant with the injuries he has unlike Allen Iverson. And he was a great scoring machine.


Iverson was a shotjacking machine.

[Bladers]

What's hilarious is Kobe knows his fans are gullible as ****, so he'll just keep using his "wrist injury" as a built-in excuse for his lackluster games.

Kobe is at the very least 80% out there. Shooting 25+ shots a game with his "sprained wrist" LMAO!

Realy?
http://p.twimg.com/AiiksQuCMAAV5eV.png

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Cuz it doesn't stop him from doing what he always does that why....Jordan played the whole 1993 finals with a bad wrist...he dumped 64 points on Shaq's Magic in 1993 with a bad wrist.

Cool? Did anyone or does anyone question the legitimacy of his injuries?


Kobe stans act like he's near death and can't function, and IF he wasn't injured, he would be some mythical beast averaging 40ppg on 60%FG if his wrist wasn't hurt....they EXAGGERATE incredibly.

Lol which reputable posters are saying this? No one acts like he's incapable of playing well. All I've seen anyone say is that he has a hurt wrist and is still playing lights out. Obviously logic would denote that if he were healthy he would play better, which is true for anyone. I mean isn't it more impressive to see an injured guy play really well?


Larry Bird broke his pointer finger playing softball the summer right before his rookie year, on his shooting hand. Permanently crooked before one NBA game. Can you imagine what Kobe stans would do with that??

I don't know what relevance this holds.

[hitmanyr2k]

Who cares what it means to you? It is what it is. Haven't you guys just thought that maybe he loves the game so much that he will play through the pain (when he can)?

Like no one else gets shit for being injured. Jordan played with the flu and people worship the n!gga like he cured cancer. No one else accused him of lying or tried to play down his sickness.

Please....don't compare a pivotal NBA Finals Game 5 on the road to some crap regular season games :oldlol: Just dont.

[Bladers]

Half a season is 41 games....Jordan was around 33 HALF WAY thru 96, and 34 HALFWAY thru 97....that's not THE MAJORITY..


If you think 11 games is some kind of significant majority, you need to kill youself.


ARE YOU MENTALLY RETARDED? ESPN HAS HIM AS 33 FOR 96-97
IT DOESN"T MATTER WAT YOU THINK GTFO!!!

Its amazing how retarded jordan fanboys at.

So if someone entered the league at the age of 18, after playing 51 games for his first season and turns 19.
His first season will then be categorized as 19 years old instead of 18? GTFO!

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Realy?

Kobe Bryant said that his wrist is "already getting better" and "by the playoffs, it should be fine."

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/167669/kobe-bryant-wrist-is-already-getting-better

He's fine. Kobe will continue to shot-jack his way to another scoring title.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

What's hilarious is Kobe knows his fans are gullible as ****, so he'll just keep using his "wrist injury" as a built-in excuse for his lackluster games.

Kobe is at the very least 80% out there. Shooting 25+ shots a game with his "sprained wrist" LMAO!

The shit some of you guys say on this site. :facepalm

[DavisWarriorsFan]

What's hilarious is Kobe knows his fans are gullible as ****, so he'll just keep using his "wrist injury" as a built-in excuse for his lackluster games.

Kobe is at the very least 80% out there. Shooting 25+ shots a game with his "sprained wrist" LMAO!
The replay showed he landed on his wrist u idiot. Even Kevin Harlen mentioning how swollen it was when he saw Kobe's wrist.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Please....don't compare a pivotal NBA Finals Game 5 on the road to some crap regular season games :oldlol: Just dont.

Nice deflection, but the stage on which the game is played is irrelevant in this case. Actually, since that game was so pivotal, the legitimacy of Jordan's sickness should have been scrutinzed even more right? Since it is a bigger game and all.

[bwink23]

ARE YOU MENTALLY RETARDED? ESPN HAS HIM AS 33 FOR 96-97
IT DOESN"T MATTER WAT YOU THINK GTFO!!!

Its amazing how retarded jordan fanboys at.

So if someone entered the league at the age of 18, after playing 51 games for his first season and turns 19.
His first season will then be categorized as 19 years old instead of 18? GTFO!


It's not what i think it's REALITY....goto basketballreference.com under GAME LOGS, it shows their ages in every game they played right down to the day. U MAD?

[hitmanyr2k]

Nice deflection, but the stage on which the game is played is irrelevant in this case. Actually, since that game was so pivotal, the legitimacy of Jordan's sickness should have been scrutinzed even more right? Since it is a bigger game and all.

There's no deflection. People worship Jordan because of the magnitude of the ****in game. You think if Jordan played a regular season game with the flu in January anyone would give a shit? Cmon, let's be real here. Like I said before, don't compare a pivotal NBA Finals Game 5 on the road to some crap regular season games.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Kobe Bryant said that his wrist is "already getting better" and "by the playoffs, it should be fine."

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/167669/kobe-bryant-wrist-is-already-getting-better

He's fine. Kobe will continue to shot-jack his way to another scoring title.
Let him shot jack all he wants. He's been on a tear offensively.

[bwink23]

Realy?
http://p.twimg.com/AiiksQuCMAAV5eV.png



:cry:

[Bladers]

It's not what i think it's REALITY....goto basketballreference.com under GAME LOGS, it shows their ages in every game they played...

Ofcourse you don't get it. Ignorance is definitely reality for you guuys.

Its bliss.Ofcourse ESPN statistics are wrong. And you are right.

Ofcourse, if Jordan entered the league at the age of 18, after playing 51 games for his first season and turns 19. His first season will then be categorized as 19 years old instead of 18 because if someone was comparing 19 years olds, it would help my agenda because he has better stats than the next following season.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The replay showed he landed on his wrist u idiot. Even Kevin Harlen mentioning how swollen it was when he saw Kobe's wrist.

No one's saying he faked his injury, genius. You Kobe apostles make it seem like he's out there with a broken neck. :lol

[bwink23]

Ofcourse you don't get it. Ignorance is definitely reality for you guuys.

Its bliss.Ofcourse ESPN statistics are wrong. And you are right.

Ofcourse, if Jordan entered the league at the age of 18, after playing 51 games for his first season and turns 19. His first season will then be categorized as 19 years old instead of 18 because if someone was comparing 19 years olds, it would help my agenda because he has better stats.



I GET IT just fine son....I'm just being alot more ACCURATE about it...you said Jordan played the MAJORITY of 1997 at 33 years old, when in actuality, he only played about HALF the season at 33 years old..... :D

[Bladers]

I GET IT just fine son....I'm just being alot more ACCURATE about it...you said Jordan played the MAJORITY of 1997 at 33 years old, when in actuality, he only played about HALF the season at 33 years old..... :D

What was Jordan's 21 year old season?

[bwink23]

No one's saying he faked his injury, genius. You Kobe apostles make it seem like he's out there with a broken neck. :lol


EXACTLY....if the wrist was bothering him that bad, he wouldn't be shooting so heavily at all. It's amazing what pain-killing injections can do.

[bwink23]

What was Jordan's 21 year old season?


He started the 1985 season at 21 years old, but turned 22 about HALFWAY through the season.

You mad about that or something??

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

No one's saying he faked his injury, genius. You Kobe apostles make it seem like he's out there with a broken neck. :lol
Maybe its cause of all the injuries he had that amazes people. Not just the wrist injury. It should've slowed him down but he still keeps on coming.

[Bladers]

He started the 1985 season at 21 years old, but turned 22 about HALFWAY through the season.

You mad about that or something??


84-85 ( age 21 )
85-86 ( age 22 )
86-87 ( age 23 )
87-88 ( age 24 )
88-89 ( age 25 )
89-90 ( age 26 )
90-91 ( age 27 )
91-92 ( age 28 )
92-93 ( age 29 )
93-94 ( age 30 ) - Didn't play
94-95 ( age 31 )
95-96 ( age 32 )
96-97 ( age 33 )
97-98 ( age 34 )


Gosh these Jordan nutgaggers are worse than lebron fanboys.

[LALakerFan4Life]

84-85 ( age 21 )
85-86 ( age 22 )
86-87 ( age 23 )
87-88 ( age 24 )
88-89 ( age 25 )
89-90 ( age 26 )
90-91 ( age 27 )
91-92 ( age 28 )
92-93 ( age 29 )
93-94 ( age 30 ) - Didn't play
94-95 ( age 31 )
95-96 ( age 32 )
96-97 ( age 33 )
97-98 ( age 34 )


Gosh these Jordan nutgaggers are worse than lebron fanboys.
Who cares. Mike > Kobe

[bwink23]

84-85 ( age 21 )
85-86 ( age 22 )
86-87 ( age 23 )
87-88 ( age 24 )
88-89 ( age 25 )
89-90 ( age 26 )
90-91 ( age 27 )
91-92 ( age 28 )
92-93 ( age 29 )
93-94 ( age 30 ) - Didn't play
94-95 ( age 31 )
95-96 ( age 32 )
96-97 ( age 33 )
97-98 ( age 34 )


Gosh these Jordan nutgaggers are worse than lebron fanboys.


Jordan scored 55 points on the Washington Bullets in the playoffs in 1997......HOW OLD WAS HE???

[Bladers]

Who cares. Mike > Kobe
The epitimy of Jordan joggers. You guys are so scared.
Who in this thread is arguing mj > kobe? :facepalm

[LALakerFan4Life]

I applaud Kobe for doing work in his 16th season. Remarkable stuff; nothing short of impressive. I just don't buy the severity of these injuries. Sue me lol.
If a season Kobe played like last 2 years doesn't show that, don't know what will.

[Bladers]

Jordan scored 55 points on the Washington Bullets in the playoffs in 1997......HOW OLD WAS HE???

Wow so thats how statistics work? Dude get off jordans jock and go to school, take math and statistics, maybe you will learn something!

[bwink23]

Wow so thats how statistics work? Dude get off jordans jock and go to school, take math and statistics, maybe you will learn something!


HOW OLD WAS HE??

[bwink23]

Wow so thats how statistics work? Dude get off jordans jock and go to school, take math and statistics, maybe you will learn something!


Jordan at the start of the 1997 season....33 years, 8 1/2 months old.....That's not playing the MAJORITY of that year at 33, now is it??? Looks to me like he's about ready to turn 34.....cuz he DID...

:D

[Bladers]

Jordan at the start of the 1997 season....33 years, 8 1/2 months old.....That's not playing the MAJORITY of that year at 33, now is it??? Looks to me like he's about ready to turn 34.....cuz he DID...

:D

either u are now trolling or u are one of the dumbest dumasss i have ever encountered.

But u being a jordan fanboy, i will lean on the latter.

[triangleoffense]

EXACTLY....if the wrist was bothering him that bad, he wouldn't be shooting so heavily at all. It's amazing what pain-killing injections can do.
I don't get it you say that no one is saying Kobe is faking an injury yet you imply that its not as bad as what it seems? Anyways some "kobetards" may be retarded but the anti kobetards as even more pathetic because the majority of them are/were public Lebron fans yet now hide their shame by bashing Kobe with the hidden agenda of trying to restore Lebron to any resemblance of decency.

[Sarcastic]

Kobe has played for 2 weeks this year.

[Bladers]

Kobe has played for 2 weeks this year.

and does that make you mad?

[bwink23]

either u are now trolling or u are one of the dumbest dumasss i have ever encountered.

But u being a jordan fanboy, i will lean on the latter.


not trolling son, just stated the facts of the matter, which are ACCURATE....LOL, be mad at it bro.

[Rocker09]

Another comparison thread?

We should just make a jordan-kobe comparison thread and make is a sticky...

[04mzwach]

Jordan is better. /THREAD

[Bladers]

not trolling son, just stated the facts of the matter, which are ACCURATE....LOL, be mad at it bro.

not mad bro. just hilarious that jordan fanboys still can't get over this niggah and are content to live in a world of fantasy.

[bwink23]

not mad bro. just hilarious that jordan fanboys still can't get over this niggah and are content to live in a world of fantasy.


Just bringing REALITY to the situation....:D

[Bladers]

Just bringing REALITY to the situation....:D

30.3ppg > 29.6ppg does that reality hurt much?

[NumberSix]

Who cares what it means to you? It is what it is. Haven't you guys just thought that maybe he loves the game so much that he will play through the pain (when he can)?

Like no one else gets shit for being injured. Jordan played with the flu and people worship the n!gga like he cured cancer. No one else accused him of lying or tried to play down his sickness.
Yeah, the difference is Jordan stans don't try to claim MJ had the flu for an ENTIRE SEASON, and then next year he has the cold FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON, and then he has a headache for a few more seasons. It's freaking ridiculous. lol.

[bwink23]

30.3ppg > 29.6ppg does that reality hurt much?


82 games > 12.....that 97 season your talking about?? Jordan averaged near 30 thru his first 12 games.

Then he averaged 36.0ppg on 50.4%FG in the following 7 games.

Let's see where Kobe goes from here. :D

[Bladers]

82 games > 12.....that 97 season your talking about?? Jordan averaged near 30 thru his first 12 games.

Then he averaged 36.0ppg on 50.4%FG in the following 7 games.

Let's see where Kobe goes from here. :D

By jacking up 28 shots a game?
Im sorry Kobe is not a chucker he wont do that. HE won't allienate his teammates like that.

[Sarcastic]

and does that make you mad?

:mad:

[NumberSix]

By jacking up 28 shots a game?
Im sorry Kobe is not a chucker he wont do that. HE won't allienate his teammates like that.
LMFAO :roll:

OK, this just purposely troll-baiting at this point. You know god damn well exactly what you're doing. lol:oldlol:

[bwink23]

By jacking up 28 shots a game?
Im sorry Kobe is not a chucker he wont do that. HE won't allienate his teammates like that.


Jordan over those 7 games = 27.7 FGA. (36.0ppg)

Kobe over the last 7 games = 27.6 FGA (33.7 ppg).....you were saying? :D

[NumberSix]

Jordan over those 7 games = 27.7 FGA. (36.0ppg)

Kobe over the last 7 games = 27.6 FGA (33.7 ppg).....you were saying? :D
Why would even even try to give him a thoughtful response? He's blatantly trolling.

[bwink23]

Why would even even try to give him a thoughtful response? He's blatantly trolling.


building my post count.

[Bladers]

Jordan over those 7 games = 27.7 FGA. (36.0ppg)

Kobe over the last 7 games = 27.6 FGA (33.7 ppg).....you were saying? :D

Exactly you proved my point.

According to the hater kobe's been shot jacking. Which would mean Jordan also shot-jacked. But Ofcourse with jordan there's always an exception from his fanboys.

[bwink23]

Exactly you proved my point.

According to the hater kobe's been shot jacking. Which would mean Jordan also shot-jacked. But Ofcourse with jordan there's always an exception from his fanboys.


Notice, 36 >33.7 on near equal shot attempts....YOU MAD

[SFMF]

Kobe averaged 22.8 PPG during playoffs last season, and averaged 19 PPG against Dallas. Michael Jordan's playoffs PPG always approached 30 PPG, never got close to 20 PPG in his life.

[Bladers]

Notice, 36 >33.7 on near equal shot attempts....YOU MAD

Last 6 games Kobe - 36.6 ppg on 27.5 shots >>> 36 ppg on 27.7 shots

More points on less shots... u must be raging son?

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

how bout 19y/o kobe off the bench dropping 33 on 60% shooting on his ass

Did this is all happen within the 1st 3 quarters, because Jordan sat out the entire 4th quarter with his team up by 20? I think not.

I'll remind you that Jordan wasn't in his prime either

[lbj23clutch]

Jordan averaging 30.4 ppg on 50% shooting at age 32 on his first FULL season after retiring is more impressive, even if Kobe continues his level of play. You gotta remember Jordan missed two years of basketball and during that time he was playing a WHOLE different sport, so he probably didn't have a chance to play a lot of basketball during his time off the court. Combine that with the fact he had to readjust to the NBA after being a baseball player, which is no easy feat.

[Cali Syndicate]

are we forgetting the fact that jordan averaged

4 assists in 96

4 assists in 97

and

3 assists in 98


kobe has 6 assists per game with his 30 points


brah :lol

And all while Jordan played alongside another ball handler and play maker in Pippen while Kobe has taken on the Lebron role this season as the ball dominant mamma-jamma. Usage rate of nearly 40? :eek:

[Eric Cartman]

The only player comparable to what Kobe's doing right now is MJ. That speaks volume of what he has done so far.

[Cali Syndicate]

ACTUALLY jordan by age 32 averaged 30.4ppg ( with 4 assists )

jordan by age 33 averaged 29.6ppg ( with 4 assists )

kobe by age 33 averaged 30.3ppg ( with 6 assists )



Jordan missed practically the entire 85-86 season

he missed the entire 93-94 season

he missed 80% of the 94-95 season



this means jordan did his 29ppg @ 33 years old in basically his 10th full season

and had 3 years to rest his knees

while kobe has played atleast 80% of all the games in a season and never had any breaks to rest

Sure Jordan had that extra season or two but Jordan went to work right from the get go as the main offensive AND defensive guy while the Lakers offense ran through Shaq through most of every game.

And if you want to really get technical, Kobe was barely playing 15 then 25 minutes his first two seasons then missed 32 games the 3rd season then routinely missed 15-20 games per season over the next 4 of 6 seasons while Jordan played practically 80 games every season until his first retirement outside of the 86 season.

[Cali Syndicate]

Why does this matter? MJ is regarded has the Goat and Kobe is somewhere in top 7-10 al-time. 33 year old Kobe matching 33 year old MJ means noting. MJ stats,Mvps,defense,FMVps,playoffs stats etc... Destroys Kobe. Lol I.don't get why these kobetards are going crazy.

It matters because Kobe is playing insanely good right now.

Some say Jordan was at his absolute best in the 96 season as his mentality was at his absolute best all while his athletic ability was for the most part intact. He was 32-33 years old that season.

Kobe is 33 this season and looks to be taking the same footsteps as MJ.

Can't deny what Kobe is trying to do this season. He is a man on a mission and while the season is young, he has so far proven the naysayers wrong. No way is this guy done or ready to turn it in.

[Cali Syndicate]

Jordan missed games from 85-93 = 71
Kobe in his first 9 years = 111.

Jordan's minutes in his first 9 years = 25,842
Kobe's minutes in his first 9 years = 21,962

Despite missing almost a full season to his broken foot, Jordan still played 3,880 more minutes than Kobe. Then Jordan missed 147 games during his baseball stint, or about 5,586 minutes.

So in essence, Kobe played 1,706 more minutes than Jordan over the next 2 years, or about a 45 more games than Jordan.

Minutes wise, even when Jordan retired for almost 2 years....compared by minutes, Kobe only played 45 more games than Jordan did....BIG DEAL.

Yessir~

[Cali Syndicate]

Jordan at the start of the 1997 season....33 years, 8 1/2 months old.....That's not playing the MAJORITY of that year at 33, now is it??? Looks to me like he's about ready to turn 34.....cuz he DID...

:D

Do you know what majority means? Jordan's birthday typically fell around the 50th game of the season, 50 games out of 82 is a majority.

But I do get what you're saying though.

[bwink23]

It matters because Kobe is playing insanely good right now.

Some say Jordan was at his absolute best in the 96 season as his mentality was at his absolute best all while his athletic ability was for the most part intact. He was 32-33 years old that season.

Kobe is 33 this season and looks to be taking the same footsteps as MJ.

Can't deny what Kobe is trying to do this season. He is a man on a mission and while the season is young, he has so far proven the naysayers wrong. No way is this guy done or ready to turn it in.




:facepalm NOPE....Jordan at his best was probably somewhere in 1990-1992....1996??? PLEASE.

[bwink23]

Do you know what majority means? Jordan's birthday typically fell around the 50th game of the season, 50 games out of 82 is a majority.

But I do get what you're saying though.


NO DUDE.....that is NOT a MAJORITY. 50 games is only 59% of the season.....in which he came into the season at 33 years, 8 and half months old...So no, Jordan wasn't some fresh 33 year old playing most of the 1997 season at 33....THANKS FOR PLAYING :rolleyes:

[Cali Syndicate]

:facepalm NOPE....Jordan at his best was probably somewhere in 1990-1992....1996??? PLEASE.

I'm sure many would agree with 90-92. But some, hence the word "some," believe he was at his best in 96. Even "some" of his teammates have stated this.


NO DUDE.....that is NOT a MAJORITY. 50 games is only 59% of the season.....in which he came into the season at 33 years, 8 and half months old...So no, Jordan wasn't some fresh 33 year old playing most of the 1997 season at 33....THANKS FOR PLAYING

FYI Majority means greater than half, so even 51% would be considered a majority.

Thanks for playing. :rolleyes:

[Glide2keva]

This shit again?

Why do kobe fans look for anything to prop Kobe against Jordan?

Why can't you just enjoy your favorite player and leave it at that?

[Dragonyeuw]

it would have been embarassing to see him try to guard prime kobe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-kKQMue4g&t=2m33s

Considering Jordan was 40 at the point when Kobe was entering his prime phase, that's not much to brag about, is it?

[AirTupac]

This shit again?

Why do kobe fans look for anything to prop Kobe against Jordan?

Why can't you just enjoy your favorite player and leave it at that?

Kobe fan didn't make the thread.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe fans are beyond obnoxious. They've waited so long for a comparison to MJ to look not ridiculous and they finally have it and they attack it like rabid vultures. :oldlol:

Kobe is only 33 years old (spare me the mileage argument), has the benefit of better training/nutrition (and possibly HGH - yeah, that dirty word, but it wouldn't surprise me if many players today take it), and had nearly 8 months of rest since the end of last season. His play right now is unsurprising despite its excellence.

They also conveniently ignore things like USG%, time of possession, how each player is playing within the flow of the offense (as opposed to freelancing), how their teammates are playing etc.

[Glide2keva]

Kobe fan didn't make the thread.
I know that, but the last question is aimed at both sides.

[100grandman]

Kobe will never be MJ....give it a rest. Everybody knows this but Kobe fans.

[Glide2keva]

Kobe fans are beyond obnoxious. They've waited so long for a comparison to MJ to look not ridiculous and they finally have it and they attack it like rabid vultures. :oldlol:

Kobe is only 33 years old (spare me the mileage argument), has the benefit of better training/nutrition (and possibly HGH - yeah, that dirty word, but it wouldn't surprise me if many players today take it), and had nearly 8 months of rest since the end of last season. His play right now is unsurprising despite its excellence.

They also conveniently ignore things like USG%, time of possession, how each player is playing within the flow of the offense (as opposed to freelancing), how their teammates are playing etc.
That's because most Kobe fans are not fans of the sport, while Jordan fans for the most part are.

There's a difference in the approach to the argument from both sides.

Kobe fans like to use his age, mileage and stats to prop Kobe up. Jordan fans talk about the intangibles mostly because Jordan's stats blow Kobe out the water and it wouldn't be a fair argument.

Jordan fans acknowledge Jordan's shortcomings, while Kobe fans act like they don't exist.

[rodman91]

33 years old Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>> 33 years old Kobe. And I'm generous. But Kobe still got it though. He is one of last players has great footwork.Players are all about athleticism in these days.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Yeah, the difference is Jordan stans don't try to claim MJ had the flu for an ENTIRE SEASON, and then next year he has the cold FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON, and then he has a headache for a few more seasons. It's freaking ridiculous. lol.

What do you mean? Do injuries magically heal?

Tell you what. I'll give you some homework. Go jerk off REALLY REALLY hard to some of this stuff until your wrist hurts to the point you can barely bend it :

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211111

http://kobebryantisoverrated.webs.com/totalgamewinningshots.htm

Then, go outside and try to shoot some hoops. Tell me what happens.

[HurricaneKid]

ACTUALLY jordan by age 32 averaged 30.4ppg ( with 4 assists )

jordan by age 33 averaged 29.6ppg ( with 4 assists )

kobe by age 33 averaged 30.3ppg ( with 6 assists )



Jordan missed practically the entire 85-86 season

he missed the entire 93-94 season

he missed 80% of the 94-95 season



this means jordan did his 29ppg @ 33 years old in basically his 10th full season

and had 3 years to rest his knees

while kobe has played atleast 80% of all the games in a season and never had any breaks to rest

Yeah but MJ didn't have German Doctors!

[eliteballer]

Jordan=9 seasons of NBA ball, short 3 point line to open up game, no wrist injury

[phoenix_bladen]

it's pretty incredible how much jobe has held up

he basically started playing since he was 17-18 when he was in the league ...........

and he's still holding up pretty well

he's had tons of millege

most high schoolers that play in the NBA are done before they turn 30

t-mac, jermaine oneal to name a few

[bwink23]

Jordan=9 seasons of NBA ball, short 3 point line to open up game, no wrist injury



http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-05-14/sports/9305140130_1_bulls-fans-john-hefferon-bench

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9z9zqw8L2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msQm6V9_pVg

NOW MOVE ALONG SON.....:no:

[32jazz]

I know that, but the last question is aimed at both sides.
:facepalm

Then why are you and the rest of the MJ worshippers so consumed by Kobe?

Crap is similar to a has-been like Shaq who can't simply appreciate Dwight Howard and a great player and let it go. Shaq's day is over. So is MJ's.


MJ has his little Cult of proxies who obssess over Kobe and like Shaq cannot let go of the past & appreciate a game that has moved on without them.

Magic is my favorite player of all time , but he is now a has-been and I don't feel this weird need to elevate him by diminishing the many great pg's who have followed. That's really 'appreciating the sport' and not running around obssessing over every perceived slight of your god, MJ.

MJ knows he is a has-been & ,for the most part, seems to have moved on. Why can't his little cult of worshipping minions like you do the same?

[bwink23]

:facepalm

Then why are you and the rest of the MJ worshippers so consumed by Kobe?

Crap is similar to a has-been like Shaq who can't simply appreciate Dwight Howard and a great player and let it go. Shaq's day is over. So is MJ's.


MJ has his little Cult of proxies who obssess over Kobe and like Shaq cannot let go of the past & appreciate a game that has moved on without them.

Magic is my favorite player of all time , but he is now a has-been and I don't feel this weird need to elevate him by diminishing the many great pg's who have followed. That's really 'appreciating the sport' and not running around obssessing over every perceived slight of your god, MJ.

MJ knows he is a has-been & ,for the most part, seems to have moved on. Why can't his little cult of worshipping minions like you do the same?


Are you NEW to these boards??? :rolleyes:


Little advice, GET USED TO IT.

[ILLsmak]

I don't think MJ was the best player; I think he was just the most hyped... and that other players could have been that way, too, if they had been in that circumstance.

But just because Kobe patterned his game after MJ people want to act like he's better than MJ, or even close, and that is false.

Kobe is nowhere near as great as you guys think he is. MJ is mad overrated but so is Kobe.

It baffles me how anyone can think Kobe is one of the greatest players ever... but I guess there's no way to teach you otherwise.

Stay in fantasy land.

-Smak

[32jazz]

Are you NEW to these boards??? :rolleyes:


Little advice, GET USED TO IT.

little advice to you. MJ is a retired has-been(like my man Magic) & Kobe is playing now. MJ is some place enjoying life while idiotic proxies like you feel some obssession with upholding a great past.:facepalm

I know it's hard to ask clowns like you to turn your back on your god(MJ) , but at least stop obssessing over active players like Kobe. You are actually helping Kobe by your insecurities about him or with his fans.

No better than Shaq refusing to let go.

Nothing sadder than obsessively hanging on to the past.

[pauk]

8 games yes.... lets see how it ends up by the end of 66 games

[ILLsmak]

little advice to you. MJ is a retired has-been(like my man Magic) & Kobe is playing now. MJ is some place enjoying life while idiotic proxies like you feel some obssession with upholding a great past.:facepalm

I know it's hard to ask clowns like you to turn your back on your god(MJ) , but at least stop obssessing over active players like Kobe. You are actually helping Kobe by your insecurities about him or with his fans.

No better than Shaq refusing to let go.

Nothing sadder than obsessively hanging on to the past.

lol, would like to know how old you are...

The past happened, too, it's good to remember the good times.

-Smak

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

I don't think MJ was the best player; I think he was just the most hyped... and that other players could have been that way, too, if they had been in that circumstance.

But just because Kobe patterned his game after MJ people want to act like he's better than MJ, or even close, and that is false.

Kobe is nowhere near as great as you guys think he is. MJ is mad overrated but so is Kobe.

It baffles me how anyone can think Kobe is one of the greatest players ever... but I guess there's no way to teach you otherwise.

Stay in fantasy land.

-Smak

Really? It's not that difficult to understand.

[Legends66NBA7]

It baffles me how anyone can think Kobe is one of the greatest players ever... but I guess there's no way to teach you otherwise.

Stay in fantasy land.

-Smak

Well I have a good idea where this should go...

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Well I have a good idea where this should go...

10+ more pages :oldlol:

I'm not even going to suck myself into one of these meaningless arguments.

[Legends66NBA7]

10+ more pages :oldlol:

I'm not even going to suck myself into one of these meaningless arguments.

No, I meant here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239468

Updated :cheers:

[Flamboyant]

Jordan groupies are BY FAR the worst breed of fans that exist in ALL SPORTS.

In a thread started by a Jordan fan, to prop up Jordan, where most (all but 1 to be exact) Kobe fans have said anything bad about MJ, while a lot of Jordan groupies tried to downplay Kobe's performance, injuries, and insisted on making Jordan>Kobe argument, here's what one of the best MJ groupies comes up with.


Kobe fans are beyond obnoxious. They've waited so long for a comparison to MJ to look not ridiculous and they finally have it and they attack it like rabid vultures. :oldlol:

Kobe is only 33 years old (spare me the mileage argument), has the benefit of better training/nutrition (and possibly HGH - yeah, that dirty word, but it wouldn't surprise me if many players today take it), and had nearly 8 months of rest since the end of last season. His play right now is unsurprising despite its excellence.

They also conveniently ignore things like USG%, time of possession, how each player is playing within the flow of the offense (as opposed to freelancing), how their teammates are playing etc.

1. This thread wasn't created by Kobe fans to compare him to MJ. Rather an MJ fan trying to say he isn't impressed by Kobe's performance.

2. Spare you the milage argument? How many times have you used the career averages argument ignoring completely that Kobe came to the league at 18. Next time spare the milage argument when comparing them at 22!

3. Ignoring USG% might be good to support Kobe. Ignoring how their teammates are playing. . . now why should that be ignored if someone wants to make a case for Kobe. Jordan had much better teammates, therefore Kobe's scoring becomes more reasonable, and needed.

Last, but definitely not least. *I actually would've liked to ignore any MJ v Kobe thread, but this is the reason why I'm writing these*

HGH??? How low can MJ groupies get. Whats even worse is that it's not the first time you use this "Kobe is doing drugs" BS. I remember once you got clowned pretty bad, and had to STFU. But since Kobe is not done you have to come up with something. SMH@ MJ groupies. :facepalm


That's because most Kobe fans are not fans of the sport, while Jordan fans for the most part are.

Living in the past is the most common sign of not being a true fan of the sport. Go figure!

[juju151111]

:facepalm

Then why are you and the rest of the MJ worshippers so consumed by Kobe?

Crap is similar to a has-been like Shaq who can't simply appreciate Dwight Howard and a great player and let it go. Shaq's day is over. So is MJ's.


MJ has his little Cult of proxies who obssess over Kobe and like Shaq cannot let go of the past & appreciate a game that has moved on without them.

Magic is my favorite player of all time , but he is now a has-been and I don't feel this weird need to elevate him by diminishing the many great pg's who have followed. That's really 'appreciating the sport' and not running around obssessing over every perceived slight of your god, MJ.

MJ knows he is a has-been & ,for the most part, seems to have moved on. Why can't his little cult of worshipping minions like you do the same?
Why should MJ fans sit around and let Kobetard speak BS? They started this 2 days ago with their stupid 40 pt threads and talking about Kobe is better at 33. This thread was spawned because of that and I notice you always jump on MJ same, but not really on Kobe's. When they something crazy its alright huh?

[bwink23]

little advice to you. MJ is a retired has-been(like my man Magic) & Kobe is playing now. MJ is some place enjoying life while idiotic proxies like you feel some obssession with upholding a great past.:facepalm

I know it's hard to ask clowns like you to turn your back on your god(MJ) , but at least stop obssessing over active players like Kobe. You are actually helping Kobe by your insecurities about him or with his fans.

No better than Shaq refusing to let go.

Nothing sadder than obsessively hanging on to the past.


NOTHING IS GONNA CHANGE....GET OVER IT.

[BIZARRO]

Doubtful many of you saw Jordan play looking at your posts. If you saw the effort he put into every game, every possession, every defensive possession, on the defensive end, against the Pistons, etc. with no quality big men (other than Horace Grant) before '96, you would know he had acquired infinitely more wear and tear than Kobe at 33.
It isn't all about minutes, etc., when you stop playing, take up another sport (which you train completely differently for) and then come back again, you are going to lose ALOT, which he did.
His mental approach was so strong however he compensated. But make no mistake, Mike in '91 would murder Mike in '96.
The best comparison is pre and post prison Mike Tyson. Some of you might say, oh he got 3 years of rest, but it doesn't work that way. It's more like three years to undo all the greatness one acquires. Which is what makes what MJ did to come back even more amazing. Spectacular actually.
If he had gone straight through and not retired, he would have been mentally exhausted, (which once again due to load he carried all those years that Kobe has not, due to Shaq and the 3-headed best front line in the league), but his body would have actually been more accurate to his '91 self than his '96 self became. Which was a shell of what it once was.
Once again, tolls aren't only physical, but mental, and MJ just played way harder and was presented with many more difficult challenges than Kobe was in his career.
Those almost 3 steal, 1.5 block seasons MJ had, compared to Kobe's barely reaching 2, .05 seasons may be smaller numbers to you, but they tell a HUGE story when it comes to wear and tear on every possession. And how hard they played 1/2 the trips down the floor. And to their impact. And to their effort. And to their greatness.
One was a killer and the genuine article every time down the floor, while the other, as truly great as he was, often coasted. Those numbers don't lie.
And those numbers will stay with Kobe stans 'til the end of time. :pimp:

[OldSchoolBBall]

1. This thread wasn't created by Kobe fans to compare him to MJ. Rather an MJ fan trying to say he isn't impressed by Kobe's performance.

Except that I wasn't referring to the OP, but to the scads of Kobe groupies who have flocked to these threads making asinine posts.


2. Spare you the milage argument? How many times have you used the career averages argument ignoring completely that Kobe came to the league at 18. Next time spare the milage argument when comparing them at 22!

Except that in EVERY comparison I have ever made between them, I have taken their averages from age 21-30, which is the effective portion of a player's career. After this season I can include age 33.


3. Ignoring USG% might be good to support Kobe. Ignoring how their teammates are playing. . . now why should that be ignored if someone wants to make a case for Kobe. Jordan had much better teammates, therefore Kobe's scoring becomes more reasonable, and needed.

Kobe's USG% was at 35.1% last year, and he certainly had more offensive talent on his team than Jordan had in any season with Chicago, yet MJ averaged 33.4 USG% during the second three-peat.


HGH??? How low can MJ groupies get. Whats even worse is that it's not the first time you use this "Kobe is doing drugs" BS. I remember once you got clowned pretty bad, and had to STFU. But since Kobe is not done you have to come up with something. SMH@ MJ groupies. :facepalm

No, retard, you're the crazy one if you don't believe that a good number of players are taking HGH. In fact, I wish they would test for it, though I'm not sure that's even possible since it's present naturally in the body anyway. I never said Kobe is definitely on HGH, only that I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if he and other stars take it.

In closing: try again.

[eliteballer]

Jordan=9 seasons of NBA ball, short 3 point line to open up game, no wrist injury

:banana:

[bizil]

I think the media and people get carried away with this age shit, especially for guys in their early to mid 30's. Sure its an age where the body can start to break down. But it doesn't have to rob somebody of ALL of their hops or speed. And on top of that, u acquire more skill and experience as time goes on. Jordan got a better post game. Magic and and Kidd added more range. Karl Malone became a better passer and defender. All of these guys did this in their 30s. So it shouldn't be a shock that a guy like Kobe is STILL balling hard today. U have your Penny Hardaways or Grant Hills who suffered serious injuries before age 30. Or u have guys like who fall off hard after age 32. But u have guys like Kobe, MJ, Kareem, West, Nique, Karl Malone, Dr. J, Wilt, Big O, etc. that were still elite and great players into their mid 30's.

[Solid Snake]

30.3ppg > 29.6ppg does that reality hurt much?


Those don't mean anything a mere 5 weeks into the season. Let's see what those numbers look like by year's end.

Hopefully higher.