Battle of the Bands Draft

[vapid]

What do people think of this idea:

Draft and "matchups" go just like all the other drafts I run. The trick is each manager drafts a stable of musicians, and the matchups work like this:

"A" manager vs. "B" manager

Category 1: Hip Hop- "A" drafted Tupac so he submits a youtube link to: Hit 'em up. "B" drafted Biggie so he submits a youtube link to: Juicy

Category 2: Classic Rock- "A" drafted Pink Floyd, submits link to: Money, "B" drafted Led Zeppelin, submits link to Kashmir.

etc. etc.

The way you determine winners is the judges (or even make it open to all non-manager forum members) vote to see which song is better based on the genre.

You can only submit the same song once per matchup, but you can use an artist twice. So if you have the Beatles you can submit a song for the pop category and a song for the rock category.

The categories can be mixed up every "round".

I don't really have time to commish this but if someone wants to run with the idea I'd be interested to participate.

[WBynumToTheHole]

thats a good idea. the judging would be the tricky part. maybe have a pool of judges, 5 people or so.

anyone else interested in this?

[ROCSteady]

I want in

[Jackass18]

I'll join

[rufuspaul]

#inbeforepetesmontreux

[pete's montreux]

#inbeforepetesmontreux

:lol

Sure, I'll give it a try.

[johndeeregreen]

I'm totally drafting Led Zeppelin and linking to their worst song so they will get voted out ASAP. Although picking through their hundreds of shitty songs to find the single worst one will be an arduous task, I'm up for it.

[ROCSteady]

Pete's burn or genuine taste opinion?

[johndeeregreen]

Pete's burn or genuine taste opinion?
50/50.

[pete's montreux]

I'm totally drafting Led Zeppelin and linking to their worst song so they will get voted out ASAP. Although picking through their hundreds of shitty songs to find the single worst one will be an arduous task, I'm up for it.

Stairway? And they only ever recorded 88 songs.

[ROCSteady]

How in the all mighty eight layers of Hell is Stairway to Heaven Led Zepplin's worst song? :no:


Are you just really sick of it since it is pretty much the most well known/well loved?

[pete's montreux]

It may be a good song in the context of all of rock and roll and music, but in terms compared to the rest of their catalog I'd rank it at 87, second to last.

It's terrible, It's pretentious, It's an overrated poppy ballad piece of shit. Only Hot Dog is a worse LZ song.

[ROCSteady]

Nothin wrong with a ballad-esque song by a genuine rock group.

That's a hell of a song, regardless of the labels. I never get tired of it

Since you're the expert, what are your top 5 or so Led songs?

I have most experience with Houses of the Holy :rockon: and IV.

If it will affect this draft, just PM me or somethin, if you don't mind. I know you are familiar with their entire body of work

[iamgine]

i quite enjoy this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC0huECgsQE

[ROCSteady]

That version works very well IMO. Is that whole album good?

[Bano114]

How in the all mighty eight layers of Hell is Stairway to Heaven Led Zepplin's worst song? :no:


Are you just really sick of it since it is pretty much the most well known/well loved?

Honestly I can understand not bieng so high up on Stair Way to Heaven because it kind of undermines better songs that Zeppelin has released because it isn't their best song. My favorite song by them is Over The Hills and Far Away, but thats just me.

[ROCSteady]

Yea Houses of the Holy used to be repeat in my car/Ipod

[Jailblazers7]

Stairway to Heaven was always the very last song that was played at our school dances in middle school lol. Ahhh good old nostalgia.

[vapid]

Hopefully people understand that bands aren't actually "eliminated" until the "regular season" of matchups is over and a manager is fully eliminated. It works just like the comic drafts.

I can clarify more if need be.

[RedBlackAttack]

I want in this.

[vapid]

I'm liking the enthusiasm. But unfortunately like I said I need someone else to commish.

[Dasher]

Do I want to Commish? That is the question.

http://kineticguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/ponder.gif

[MasterDurant24]

Is it mainly just rock ? I'll join if there's hip hop too.

[SuperPippen]

I'm in.

[vapid]

Do I want to Commish? That is the question.

http://kineticguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/ponder.gif
Do it. The draft would be more successful with an established personality like yourself behind it.

[iamgine]

there's no personality more established than a vapid personality

[Jailblazers7]

Too busy to join or be commish be I can help judge if needed.

[rufuspaul]

Only Hot Dog is a worse LZ song.

:lol I love that song.

[RidonKs]

lol, judging will get very messy in this. it's a fun idea but i have a feeling gm's might start to lose interest solely on the basis of what they deem to be shitty judgements. it's too subjective and people will get hurt. don't go through with this vapid, you're making a big mistake.


there's no personality more established than a vapid personality

:oldlol:

[pete's montreux]

:lol I love that song.

http://www.countryuniverse.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/It-Stinks-300x245.jpg

[vapid]

lol, judging will get very messy in this. it's a fun idea but i have a feeling gm's might start to lose interest solely on the basis of what they deem to be shitty judgements. it's too subjective and people will get hurt. don't go through with this vapid, you're making a big mistake.


:oldlol:
Managers always give up interest, and if your feelings get hurt from this you're a *****.

[pete's montreux]

lol, judging will get very messy in this. it's a fun idea but i have a feeling gm's might start to lose interest solely on the basis of what they deem to be shitty judgements. it's too subjective and people will get hurt. don't go through with this vapid, you're making a big mistake.


:oldlol:

I sense fear. Can't draft some obscure German neo-folk group and expect to win. Step up to the plate fella.

[RidonKs]

i've been losing serious sleep just thinking about signing up, i can't put my mind or my family through that sort of turmoil, it just isn't a good time


f*ck it if you guys need a commish, i can probably serve that role rather consistently and objectively... i'd rather not judge, i doubt my expertise is anywhere near extensive enough, ecclectic though it may be. but you can be sure that i'll keep the real judges in line, overrule poorly thought out decisions, and dismiss the corrupt. i will run a bureaucracy of competetence and integrity, not a playground for the hangers-on. speak your mind to me and you will receive due frankness in turn, hide behind shifty language and bogus vagueries and i will have your neck. AND ALL WILL BOW BEFORE ME!!!!

......

...so let me know if you'll have me, contact information is filled out in the above application



edit: hopefully that semi-made-up word doesn't do me in

[Jackass18]

It's going to come down to opinion. Deciding what the better song is pretty subjective. One person will value something more than other people will value it, etc...

Someone needs to start organizing it (I have no objection to Ridonks) or it might fall apart.

[vapid]

Yes! Ridonks is the kind of veteran commish that would run a tight ship and make this work.

Btw I envision the commish switching up some of the genres every match and possibly having sone unique cats like "only songs b4 the 90s" etc.

[Waking_Life]

are all the positions filled?

[Jackass18]

I think this is what we have so far:


Commish
Ridonks

Judges
1. Jailblazers
2.
3.

Managers
1. WBynumToTheHole?
2. ROCSteady
3. Jackass18
4. rufuspaul
5. pete's montreux
6. johndeergreen
7. RedBlackAttack
8. MasterDurant24
9. SuperPippen
10. The Macho Man

Not sure if Dasher wants to be a judge or not

[vapid]

Umm I wanted to draft. :(

[Lebowsky]

I'd like to be a judge in this if you guys are ok with it.

[Dasher]

I'll judge

[Jackass18]

Umm I wanted to draft. :(

I even left myself off the list before I edited it...

[Jackass18]

Commish
Ridonks

Judges
1. Jailblazers
2. Lebowsky
3. Dasher

Managers
1. vapid
2. WBynumToTheHole?
3. ROCSteady
4. Jackass18
5. rufuspaul
6. pete's montreux
7. johndeergreen
8. RedBlackAttack
9. MasterDurant24
10. SuperPippen
11. The Macho Man

Somebody might want to double-check.

[Lebowsky]

Maybe it's a stupid question, but shouldn't there be an even number of GMs if they are to be competing one vs. one?

[Jackass18]

I only listed the people who wanted to participate. It's up to the commish or vapid how many will participate. They might want more judges, too.

[Lebowsky]

I only listed the people who wanted to participate. It's up to the commish or vapid how many will participate. They might want more judges, too.
Oh I see. My bad.

[heyhey]

If we can have a dozen managers then I want in
Haven't done a draft since the art thing

[vapid]

We have enough people to start right

[LedBalls]

Stairway? And they only ever recorded 88 songs.

I counted 86 (excluding most live material).
(Though, once I remember counting 88 songs.)
Are you counting studio outtakes?




How in the all mighty eight layers of Hell is Stairway to Heaven Led Zepplin's worst song? :no:


Are you just really sick of it since it is pretty much the most well known/well loved?

It's not.
He probably said that because of the reason you mentioned.

[iamgine]

Kindly put my name on the participant's list.

[pete's montreux]

I counted 86 (excluding most live material).
(Though, once I remember counting 88 songs.)
Are you counting studio outtakes?





It's not.
He probably said that because of the reason you mentioned.

82 studio recordings including b-sides to singles. I can't remember where I got 88 but I know that's the right answer. I must've counted studio outtakes like Sugar Mama and Fire and whatnot.

[vapid]

Ridonks you ready?

[ROCSteady]

Regardless of politics/ subjective butt hurt, I don't see how this couldn't be really fun just hearing what tunes that everyone submits

[RidonKs]

totally ROC, half of me only wants to run this to keep me consistently checking in and thus continually exposing myself to all the new tunage. i'm excited.

a few things though


i have absolutely no problem with getting all ISH elitist CJK on this thing and throwing first come first serve nonsense out with the bathwater. it might hurt some feelings, but some of the well-known guys who expressed interest a little late would add so much more than a few of the... dare i say no names on that list. so for a first order of business might just be purging the list of a few lesser-knowns while expressing to them our deepest regrets. i'm mostly talking about WBynumToTheHole (who seems like a fine fellow, but still, 138 posts?) and the last three names on the list. Macho Man always comes off as a sock of an ish vet, but i'm not even sure about him. i'd nominate heyhey, lebowsky, zen to fill out the remainder. oh, and vap since it's his idea and he'd whine if we hijacked it and left him out. oh, and if you no-names want to plead your case, feel free. i can always personally be persuaded.

or is all of that way to prickish for a cumish? i'll go with the masses on this but i reckoned it was an issue worth bringing up. the gm's, and more importantly the consistently interested argumentation, are what make these drafts work. otherwise it just bogs down after a few weeks of matches and the commish, me in this case, struggles to keep its head above water while secretly wishing the whole thing would just drown.

consensi?



also, reason i was absent the past few days is i just got home to ottawa from out east with a broken laptop... it'll probably be fixed in a few days, but until then i'm stuck popping into my uni library every couple of days. so if i'm not here for the next week, that's why.


lastly, for folks who are participating, get creative with coming up with cool ideas along the lines of what vap suggested with the pre-90s thing... but preferably better. if there are a few open categories (literally just 'best song'), some rather broad ones (pre-90s or whatever), and very specific ones, it'll force gm's to draft wisely for versatility instead of just top-known talent. like there could be a category along the lines of 'most soulful' or 'best jazz standard' or something like that, and for gm's who have didn't keep that in mind while drafting, they'll pretty much be forced to forfeit the category.

we'll also need to figure something out for deciding team battles... obviously it won't work the same way those fictional character drafts did. i just need help with the format, it isn't easy to come up with and the more heads the better. help me out, get engaged, discuss, argue, come up with new ideas, and figure out if it isn't too big of a dick-move to reserve spots for the ish-clusive.



that's about it, i'll check back in a few days

[pete's montreux]

Commish
Ridonks

Judges
1. Jailblazers
2. Lebowsky
3. Dasher

Managers
1. vapid
2. WBynumToTheHole?
3. ROCSteady
4. Jackass18
5. rufuspaul
6. pete's montreux
7. johndeergreen
8. RedBlackAttack
9. MasterDurant24
10. SuperPippen
11. The Macho Man
12. heyhey
13. iamgine

Looking at the list real quick, I don't even think JDG said he wanted to participate. I know he works like 80 hours a week and I doubt he'll even have time for this. Also, am I the only one who thinks MasterDurant24 and SuperPippen are the same person? They both look like RG accounts.

These guys are on the fence: Wbynum, MasterDurant, SuperPippen, Macho Man

Need to drop two and keep two.

[pete's montreux]

Also it would be better if the commish and the judges came up with a specific criteria and rules.

For example: how many bands we can draft first and foremost

Obviously I think the judges are leaning towards a diverse contest so I'm thinking everyone will need at least one hip hop group, one jazz or funk, etc etc.

You guys should convene and come up with a basic gameplan. Categories and such.

Let's do it right fellas. And lady.

[Maniak]

I consider joining but I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough.

[RidonKs]

lol

i'm not into forcing drafters to choose specific types of artists if that's what you mean... like, one funk band and one trumpet player or whatever. but i doubt that's what you were implying, just figured i'd get it out of the way.

we'll also have to lay down some very specific rules for classic collaborators. just because miles davis and coltrane or hancock were in a crew together, does not mean they should be eligible as a draftable duo. i remember running into that problem during the hip hop draft and it caused quite a stir. i'm open for thoughts and suggestions, we just need to ensure that whatever we settle on covers all potential bases.

we could also potentially come up with an uber long draft list to avoid those sorts of problems.... that's a big project but as long as all the gm's and judges send in suggestions, we could have it finished in a week. it might be restrictive to a certain extent but if enough people contributed an exhaustive list of their favs, we could do relatively well. i dunno though.


number of rounds for drafting i'm thinking, like, 8 or 10. the good news is that if we want to and there's a consensus in the middle of drafting, we can always just extend the number however much we want. just gotta be an even number. or hell, we could avoid the possibility of teams outright by having gm's draft an odd number.

trumping is obviously out because it doesn't work but maybe we could work out another quirk along the lines of prep. again, looking to spark ideas here, the more x-factor type things we add, the more exciting it'll be.

[pete's montreux]

If they released an album together, that should be sufficient enough to allow such a duo.

I'd like to point out that the draft is about the music. I've seen in others that if you draft one person in a band, he's done. That should not be the case. If someone drafts Eric Clapton as a solo artist, only his solo albums should be used. His other bands like Cream and the Yardbirds should still be available to draft, since it is about the music, not the individual artist.

Are solo artists going to be allowed?

[RidonKs]

we'll wait on JDG, if he wants in he has a spot... but i think you're right pete

i'm willing to hear what wbynum has to say for himself before giving him the boot. he was the first to post and he actually expressed some interest in the format instead of just screaming 'IM IN' and scampering off. but i'd just like to make sure he doesn't wander off midway through, as a relative unknown

here's the list as it stands, i think, i'm on an empty stomach and not thinking clearly so i might have f*cked something up

1. vapid
2. WBynumToTheHole
3. ROCSteady
4. Jackass18
5. rufuspaul
6. pete's montreux
7. johndeergreen
8. RedBlackAttack
9. Zen
10. iamgine
11. The Macho Man
12. heyhey


any other musical connoisseurs on ish who we know and love that just haven't shown up yet? a pm could be sent perhaps

love the judges, great crew who won't shy away from explaining their decisions

[vapid]

Take out the newbies. Unfortunately their predecessors have usually set a bad example and been the ones more likely to quit.

[pete's montreux]

Just to let everyone know I'm drafting the Wild Stallions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cEdqWZi13I) first overall

[Jailblazers7]

RBA would be a good participant if he is interested.

[pete's montreux]

RBA would be a good participant if he is interested.

he's #8 on the list :lol

[Jailblazers7]

Don't expect attention to detail to be one of my strengths as a judge.

[RidonKs]

If they released an album together, that should be sufficient enough to allow such a duo.
i disagree strongly here. so many albums have been patched together by all-time greats with one-time collabs, it's a loophole that would totally be exploited by the wise. method man + redman would make sense, but what about Knopfler and Clapton? no way they should be allowed, and that's just the first ex that popped into my head

[RidonKs]

somebody with a good memory of the no-longer-accessible members list go through it in their head and come up with possible replacement names who just haven't entered this thread yet... or not, but i'm pleading the idea once more just so i don't have to do it because i don't really want to


edit: oh, thats what jail just tried to do... and failed miserably

somebody with a better memory and preferably not as stoned stupid as jb attempt the above

[pete's montreux]

The only other poster I can think of who would want to participate and meets our high-brow criteria is LJJ.

[Maniak]

Don't expect attention to detail to be one of my strengths as a judge.
:oldlol:




I'll chime into the thread with opinions and read, I suppose.

[RidonKs]

that's a great one, he's awesome and hopefully interested. i'll send him a message.

sorry manny for ignoring you, you could def be included on the list even though i'm pretty sure your database falls short of most of your competition, i'd have no doubt you'd put in the work of research and consistently make good arguments

i reckon i'd choose you over Macho Man, until MM comes in to defend himself i should say, which might change my mind

THE AUTHORITY IS INVIGORATING! lol

[pete's montreux]

i disagree strongly here. so many albums have been patched together by all-time greats with one-time collabs, it's a loophole that would totally be exploited by the wise. method man + redman would make sense, but what about Knopfler and Clapton? no way they should be allowed, and that's just the first ex that popped into my head

A collaboration is a collaboration no matter how much you disagree with it. Like I said before, It's not about the artists, It's about the music. Two all time greats can get together and create shit.

I honestly can't think of a single solitary reason why one album would be disqualified. The collaborators wrote and recorded music, released an album, toured to support. What's the problem?

[RidonKs]

but we aren't drafting songs, we're drafting artists... and then submitting songs to be judged against one another


actually, that's a very very good quirk to throw in along the lines of prep. for say two of the numbers, you're allowed to include a collaboration that your artist contributed something to... that way you get posters drafting for long storied careers and numerous collabs with other greats instead of just peak years. degree of contribution might need to be outlined, or maybe the song would just have to have the artist in question's "name on it", like under production or writing or something

[pete's montreux]

I didn't say we're drafting songs, I said It's about the music, not the artist. It's not like the argument is going to be, "Well Clapton is a really good guitarist!" You submit one single song and that song is what's being judged, not the artist individually, It's the music he or they created in that song.

A band is a band. Is Derek and the Dominoes disqualified? Are all supergroups disqualified? You're not making much sense.

[Maniak]

So you're drafting for artists who have a plethora of good songs, and not one-hit wonders, because you need to use a different song every time?

Will a different song be used every time? That's an interesting stipulation.

[RidonKs]

but during the drafting process, it's about the artist, not the music. unless people want to draft individual songs, which i think takes all the fun out of it, there need to be hard lines drawn as to what qualifies as a draftable band. Derek and the Dominos is a good one (even though it was only sparked by my own clapton reference lol?) and i'd argue that they qualify... i just don't know why i'd argue that.

don't you see the potential for trouble once gm's start making crazy arguments about why two classic solo artists who combined over a few summer months to produce an album should be draftable with one pick? i just don't like it, too much bang for buck there.

[RidonKs]

Will a different song be used every time? That's an interesting stipulation.
damn good question... i think it again would make everything much more interesting if that were the case. can't use the same song twice. good rule. it could be adjusted to something a little more lenient like you can't use the same song two rounds in a row, but even that could get a bit boring. i like the strict version personally.


ooooh, another good quirk would be to have a Live Performance section on the list. i like that.

[pete's montreux]

but during the drafting process, it's about the artist, not the music. unless people want to draft individual songs, which i think takes all the fun out of it, there need to be hard lines drawn as to what qualifies as a draftable band. Derek and the Dominos is a good one (even though it was only sparked by my own clapton reference lol?) and i'd argue that they qualify... i just don't know why i'd argue that.

don't you see the potential for trouble once gm's start making crazy arguments about why two classic solo artists who combined over a few summer months to produce an album should be draftable with one pick? i just don't like it, too much bang for buck there.

A band is a band, stop skewing the definition.

You're changing the entire draft to me. It's battle of the bands, not battle of the artist that includes everything he ever released. You draft a band. If I draft Cream, that is ONE band. The Yardbirds, one band. Blind Faith, one band.

It's not about the artist, It's about the music. The judging is based on what songs we submit. It's basically one song versus another. If people plan on judging entire careers and technical ability, then that's a completely different draft.

[pete's montreux]

BTW don't take any of this personally although I know that probably doesn't need to be said, I just want everything to be clear and this isn't the final argument or anything, I suspect this major stuff will be voted on.

[Jailblazers7]

Hey I'm only a little stoned lol. But yeah LJJ would be a great addition if he wants in.

I think it would be cool if participants couldn't use the same song by a band throughout the entire competition. That would require a deeper knowledge of a band than a few greatest hits and would make things more interesting. Plus, it would be great for my own selfish reasons of finding new music.

[RidonKs]

we're talking past each other, i agree with you completely. i'm not talking about drafting Bonham or Page by themselves, that's absolutely insane. but don't you see the issues that could come up as i described? maybe i'm just crazy, like i said, i'm on an empty stomach and not thinking particularly clearly at the moment.

lol f*ck off with that not taking it personally shit, nobody cares about your caveats :p



i'm also totally aware that we are judging song for song and storied careers do not enter the equation. my point is that during drafting, storied careers WILL enter into the equation because the more storied a career, the more options for songs. and i just don't want people to be allowed to draft the Miles Davis Quintet and have access to five of the most talented jazz-ers of all time. yaknow?

[pete's montreux]

Yeah I figured once you submitted a song then it was done for at least a while. I hope someone doesn't use the same song over and over again, that would be horrifically boring.

[Maniak]

I gotta agree with Pete here. Band is a band. Sure we may end up with some of the same members facing each other, but it's too hard to officiate otherwise.

I really think there should be a lenient use the song only once rule, just because it makes everything more interesting. The only time this could change is if we developed actual brackets, seedings, then into the playoffs where you could use the song once in the regular season and once in the offseason.

[pete's montreux]

we're talking past each other, i agree with you completely. i'm not talking about drafting Bonham or Page by themselves, that's absolutely insane. but don't you see the issues that could come up as i described? maybe i'm just crazy, like i said, i'm on an empty stomach and not thinking particularly clearly at the moment.

lol f*ck off with that not taking it personally shit, nobody cares about your caveats :p

Here's what I envisioned, if this even EVER happens in the draft:

Manager one submits song: Derek and the Dominoes - Layla
Manager two submits song: Cream - Crossroads

Judges decide what is the better SONG. Not artist.

What does it matter that both song contains the same guitarist? It's a completely different band and song.

[RidonKs]

so somebody could draft the Miles Davis Quintet and somebody else could draft just Miles Davis? same goes for drafting The Beatles and then Mccartney for his solo work?

hell, i suppose that could work. it certainly wouldn't ruin anything, it just seems... strange.

i guess you're probably right here, but i wanna hear a few more opinions before i decide anything.



i'm going back and forth in my head between a rule dictating the use of the same song ONLY TWICE (with a long list stored on my comp to keep track) or a rule restricting songs to a single instance

strategy would be more of a focus in the first option whereas the second is just another way to ensure a ton of versatility on the playing field

[pete's montreux]

so somebody could draft the Miles Davis Quintet and somebody else could draft just Miles Davis? same goes for drafting The Beatles and then Mccartney for his solo work?

hell, i suppose that could work. it certainly wouldn't ruin anything, it just seems... strange.

i guess you're probably right here, but i wanna hear a few more opinions before i decide anything.

Right because then that person could only use the music released under the Miles Davis Quintet moniker.

It's like if I drafted Derek and the Dominoes, I've only got one studio album to work off of. Plus some live stuff if I want to use it.

That's why I keep saying It's about the music, because in the end that's what we're being judged on.

[RidonKs]

you're right, i'm on board, how i've adored, that siiiiiign on my car's windowpaaay-aaaay-aaaaayne

[pete's montreux]

The problem with drafting an artist and using his entire tree is that there will be overlaps.

If ridonks drafts McCartney and he's allowed the Beatles, what happens if someone wants to draft George Harrison?

That's why it should be solo artist, or BAND. The Beatles broke up and the four lovely gentleman all released solo albums. Different band, different music!

[RidonKs]

i f*cking get it, you were right and i was wrong, now stfu

[pete's montreux]

Good because I'm drafting the We Are the World band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM

[pete's montreux]

Maniak you should join, or be a judge.

[Jailblazers7]

Would we allow people to draft different versions of the Miles Davis Quintet or is that selection just all encompassing?

[RidonKs]

lol

so actually, one more word on the subject... are we saying that a full studio album is the threshold? or do you want to go even further and just say any combo that has produced music together is eligible. some guys feature consistently with the same artists/bands but you


what do you think about the live music and collaboration suggestions? either one spot or two each i think

then there would be other more detailed specifications that we can come up with later, but ishiots hanging around at the moment should feel free to brainstorm, i'll keep saying that even if nobody's listening

[RidonKs]

Would we allow people to draft different versions of the Miles Davis Quintet or is that selection just all encompassing?
another interesting one, a better example would be the Moody Blues whose membership changes every few years... do we need to state the members included when selecting a band? or am i just harping on the same thing that became a non-issue a few minutes ago?

[pete's montreux]

Would we allow people to draft different versions of the Miles Davis Quintet or is that selection just all encompassing?

All encompassing. That would be retarded to draft different versions of the same band because the band leader changed bassists. :oldlol:

[RidonKs]

true, okay it was definitely the same issue. any variation of members who performed under the same name qualify. makes sense.

[pete's montreux]

lol

so actually, one more word on the subject... are we saying that a full studio album is the threshold? or do you want to go even further and just say any combo that has produced music together is eligible. some guys feature consistently with the same artists/bands but you


what do you think about the live music and collaboration suggestions? either one spot or two each i think

then there would be other more detailed specifications that we can come up with later, but ishiots hanging around at the moment should feel free to brainstorm, i'll keep saying that even if nobody's listening

Yes. Only other thing I can think of is like one off live tours that included a live CD or an EP that was released.

Live should definitely be an option.

[Jailblazers7]

All encompassing. That would be retarded to draft different versions of the same band because the band leader changed bassists. :oldlol:

I was just asking that a specific example because the first and second great Miles Davis Quintet's are totally different groups of musicians.

[pete's montreux]

I was just asking that a specific example because the first and second great Miles Davis Quintet's are totally different groups of musicians.

I don't know much about Miles Davis. He was still the band leader, and they used the same band name right?

[Jailblazers7]

I don't know much about Miles Davis. He was still the band leader, and they used the same band name right?

Yeah but he was the only common denominator between the two groups. I have no problem with a selection like that being all encompassing tho I was just curious.

[RidonKs]

Yes. Only other thing I can think of is like one off live tours that included a live CD or an EP that was released.

Live should definitely be an option.
yep. as long as you can find an album cover to prove the shit was actually recorded and then produced, the 'band' qualifies. but if the collaboration occurred without any studio sessions, it doesn't count. how's that mr im so drab?

[RidonKs]

Yeah but he was the only common denominator between the two groups. I have no problem with a selection like that being all encompassing tho I was just curious.
far as i can tell there's no real way to draw a line between the miles davis example (which i like because it's one side of the extreme) and pete's bassist change example (which i also like because it's the other side of the extreme)

if you can't draw the line without it turning into a venn, don't draw the line

[pete's montreux]

Yeah but he was the only common denominator between the two groups. I have no problem with a selection like that being all encompassing tho I was just curious.

yeah like donks said as long as it's under the same name

but that would be an interesting surprise for the judges to use, like if someone drafted metallica, the judges can say to that person, only cliff era music for this round

[RidonKs]

oh, and to respond to maniak's point, everything refreshes in the playoff rounds... meaning songs can be re-used in the playoffs, they just can't be used twice in either the round robbin regular season or the playoffs

[pete's montreux]

yep. as long as you can find an album cover to prove the shit was actually recorded and then produced, the 'band' qualifies. but if the collaboration occurred without any studio sessions, it doesn't count. how's that mr im so drab?

fine by me mr i was just taken 15 rounds and knocked out

[RidonKs]

but that would be an interesting surprise for the judges to use, like if someone drafted metallica, the judges can say to that person, only cliff era music for this round
isn't that too specific? i was thinking much more universal and generalizable qualities, like... uhh... you have to use a song from a non chart-topping album that didn't make it to the billboard.

or something

[Maniak]

I think I'd rather judge than compete.

[pete's montreux]

yeah probably, sounds like fun though

we could do a joker or wild round where the judges COULD do that after the manager submits what band he wants to use, then you guys can convene and come up with something specific to handicap us with

[pete's montreux]

I think I'd rather judge than compete.

DO IT

[Maniak]

yeah probably, sounds like fun though

we could do a joker or wild round where the judges COULD do that after the manager submits what band he wants to use, then you guys can convene and come up with something specific to handicap us with
Like a song from their lowest grossing album.

[pete's montreux]

Like a song from their lowest grossing album.

sure. pretty much whatever the judges can come up with

[RidonKs]

we got three great judges already so you aren't needed there

let's take a look at that list

vapid
rocsteady
jackass
rupaul
pete
rba
zen
iamgine
heyhey
maniak (if you want a spot)

hopefully ljj will join, and the last spot would be a toss-up between macho man and this wbynum fella, or somebody else if they happen to chime in

did i miss anybody?

[vapid]

Are you serious about not letting him be a judge, because we are almost always plagued with a judge deficiency.

[RidonKs]

jailblazers, lebowsky, dasher

and i can step in when/if necessary

i'm supremely confident that at least two of those regulars will be around, and if you guys don't mind me throwing my hat in the ring only when necessary, i think we'll be fine

judging in this draft will be a million times harder than practically any other so the quality of judges will absolutely be paramount. if we need, i can try to seek out another back-up, but i trust the crew we have.



the combined tastes of the three judges is also a big deal. i like what we've got. experienced palates, very refined, but coming from very different angles. two hip-hop heads, one who hates backpackers and their intellectual pseudo spitting and another who approaches it from, err, less of an inner-city standpoint and therefore with less bias. and i've seen leb talk about hip hop, he knows very little about it if i'm not mistaken, but he appreciates the goodness when he hears it. i know because i remember him leaving a nice comment on a j-live track a posted once. lol

that's obviously just hip hop, but it applies elsewhere too. like i said, i like the mix.

[RidonKs]

i'm pumped to start clicking links. this is actually great timing, i'm about to have to start my digital music collection all over again for the second time in the last year. i've really gotta start backing up my stuff but i've never bothered no matter how many times i curse myself after the fact.

it's always a pain to remember artists you love but haven't listened to in years, this will be a major incidental help

[pete's montreux]

i'm pumped to start clicking links. this is actually great timing, i'm about to have to start my digital music collection all over again for the second time in the last year. i've really gotta start backing up my stuff but i've never bothered no matter how many times i curse myself after the fact.

it's always a pain to remember artists you love but haven't listened to in years, this will be a major incidental help

1tb external drives are like $100 nowadays

[RidonKs]

unfortunately the truth is that that's a lot of money for me at the moment... and if i did have the money, i'd want to spend it on a million other things before an external hard drive. like records, actually tangible catalogues of music. lol

[Jackass18]

oh, and to respond to maniak's point, everything refreshes in the playoff rounds... meaning songs can be re-used in the playoffs, they just can't be used twice in either the round robbin regular season or the playoffs

How many songs would that end up being for each band?

[RidonKs]

How many songs would that end up being for each band?
that would be... probably five songs i reckon. twelve gm's, six in each conference (tbd later), round robbin style regular season, five matches. unless somebody suggests an alteration to that style that would be better, in which case... we'll use that.

then playoffs start, which i suppose would only have three rounds. top four in each conference advance, quarters --> semis --> finals

[LJJ]

I won't be reporting for duty this time. I'm about to embark on a vacationous adventure, so me participating would just hold up the process entirely.




I can still read the thread and post obnoxious replies though. :cheers:

[ROCSteady]

lol

so actually, one more word on the subject... are we saying that a full studio album is the threshold? or do you want to go even further and just say any combo that has produced music together is eligible. some guys feature consistently with the same artists/bands but you


what do you think about the live music and collaboration suggestions? either one spot or two each i think

then there would be other more detailed specifications that we can come up with later, but ishiots hanging around at the moment should feel free to brainstorm, i'll keep saying that even if nobody's listening


I say full studio album

When does drafting begin? Cook up a random draft list!

[Stempel, HERB]

somebody with a better memory and preferably not as stoned stupid as jb attempt the above
everything has a price

[rufuspaul]

we got three great judges already so you aren't needed there

let's take a look at that list

vapid
rocsteady
jackass
rupaul
pete
rba
zen
iamgine
heyhey
maniak (if you want a spot)

hopefully ljj will join, and the last spot would be a toss-up between macho man and this wbynum fella, or somebody else if they happen to chime in

did i miss anybody?

Dropping out as a manager as this is a busy time of year for me. I'll pull an LJJ though and offer a snarky remark here and there.

[Jasi]

I'd like to join but I'm busy as well.
If a judge is needed count me in, otherwise I'll be glad to lurk

[pete's montreux]

You sons of bitches.

[Waking_Life]

damn didnt know this shit was gonna be serious like this.. starting to sound complicated :oldlol:

[pete's montreux]

It's not, It's not! Drafting will be easy, I'm assuming you might have to make a fairly informative post about each song you post, but that's it, It's up to the judges! Don't leaaaave. :(

[Jackass18]

that would be... probably five songs i reckon. twelve gm's, six in each conference (tbd later), round robbin style regular season, five matches. unless somebody suggests an alteration to that style that would be better, in which case... we'll use that.

then playoffs start, which i suppose would only have three rounds. top four in each conference advance, quarters --> semis --> finals

Oh, I was thinking it was going to be a lot more songs, but I guess I was too tired to think straight when I asked. 1 max for each song seems fine since 5 songs is a tiny amount. Granted, it does foil my plan of driving the judges crazy by posting "Who Let the Dogs Out?" every round.

[Waking_Life]

It's not, It's not! Drafting will be easy, I'm assuming you might have to make a fairly informative post about each song you post, but that's it, It's up to the judges! Don't leaaaave. :(
I wont leave but expect an epic fail :oldlol:

[Jailblazers7]

everything has a price

Don't I know it.

[Lebowsky]

jailblazers, lebowsky, dasher

and i can step in when/if necessary

i'm supremely confident that at least two of those regulars will be around, and if you guys don't mind me throwing my hat in the ring only when necessary, i think we'll be fine

judging in this draft will be a million times harder than practically any other so the quality of judges will absolutely be paramount. if we need, i can try to seek out another back-up, but i trust the crew we have.



the combined tastes of the three judges is also a big deal. i like what we've got. experienced palates, very refined, but coming from very different angles. two hip-hop heads, one who hates backpackers and their intellectual pseudo spitting and another who approaches it from, err, less of an inner-city standpoint and therefore with less bias. and i've seen leb talk about hip hop, he knows very little about it if i'm not mistaken, but he appreciates the goodness when he hears it. i know because i remember him leaving a nice comment on a j-live track a posted once. lol

that's obviously just hip hop, but it applies elsewhere too. like i said, i like the mix.

I'd say rock, indie, pop, metal (although I don't listen to it anymore), classical and jazz (to a decent extent) are my strongest genres. However, although I'm far from an expert, I think I know my staff about hip-hop, especially that from the 80s-90s. I'm not a hip hop head, but I consider myself to have some good taste and I can definitely tell good from bad flow, recognize lyrical prowess when I hear it and appreciate a nice beat.

I don't post as often as I used to, but I'm here every day. It's going to be fun judging this.

[Jasi]

I'd say rock, indie, pop, metal (although I don't listen to it anymore), classical and jazz (to a decent extent) are my strongest genres. However, although I'm far from an expert, I think I know my staff about hip-hop, especially that from the 80s-90s. I'm not a hip hop head, but I consider myself to have some good taste and I can definitely tell good from bad flow, recognize lyrical prowess when I hear it and appreciate a nice beat.

I don't post as often as I used to, but I'm here every day. It's going to be fun judging this.

Hey, are you following my Zigul

[Lebowsky]

[QUOTE=Jasi]Hey, are you following my Zigul

[pete's montreux]

I don't like metal anymore, but I used to listen to it all day for years as a teenager. I wish I was following what you mentioned, but those facebook retards said there was an identity issue with my account and that I had to send them a scanned copy of my id card or passport in order to get it back. I'm not doing that, they can go screw themselves for all I care. I would gladly take your recommendations though.

Really? That sounds like a scam to me.

[raiderfan19]

Im in if you need someone

[pete's montreux]

Im in if you need someone

Draft or judge?

[Lebowsky]

Really? That sounds like a scam to me.
I don't know, it just says so on fb's site whenever I try to log on.

[raiderfan19]

Draft or judge?
Either. Though id prefer to draft

[RidonKs]

i'm not gonna be able to launch this for a few days anyway, like i said before, i'm on sparse library computer time until my laptop gets fixed/replaced. i'll start a new thread for the draft, but there are still a few details to hammer out and hopefully some more suggestions to be made. yaknow, in the mean time since we have to wait anyways. or, again, not. w/e


raiderfan is in, part of me wants to include that herb up above but he's a sock of somebody around very regularly, maybe already in the draft, perhaps even *gasp* a judge! too risky unless he has a plan to verify his authenticity and rid us of our doubts

Maniak, are you definitely not wanting to gm?


vapid
rocsteady
jackass
pete
rba
zen
iamgine
heyhey
macho man
raiderfan
wbynumtothehole? he hasn't checked back in but we've got no one else to compete


nobody to fill the 12th spot except maniak, or maybe somebody will come along

am i missing anybody?

[pete's montreux]

Drop bynum and you've got 10, more than enough.

[RidonKs]

yeah, you're probably right

let's do that

here's the final list


vapid
rocsteady
jackass
pete
rba
zen
iamgine
heyhey
raiderfan
macho man or maniak, whoever comes in the thread first
maniak or macho man, if...
spot #12 is filled


i changed my mind midway through. since we aren't starting for a few days anyway, might as well leave it open in case anybody else shows interest. but we've at least got our ten which is good enough, if not quite as good as twelve.

[pete's montreux]

i'll send pm's if i think of anyone else

[RidonKs]

merci monsieur montreux

[Maniak]

Macho Man isn't really active enough to compete viably in my eyes(I do like him though, no hate), and I'm not for the idea of competing.

[Jackass18]

Are solo acts allowed, and will there be the same categories every match up or will they change?

[ROCSteady]

Good question, I was wondering the same thing. Calling this thing Battle of the Bands and including dudes like Stevie Wonder or whatever makes it false advertising. Might as well just call it a Battle of the Tracks. For some reason, I think we should limit it to requiring a group of musicians

[pete's montreux]

Stevie Wonder still had a band behind him.

[ROCSteady]

OK true bad example but does anybody even know the musicians that played with Stevie Wonder or somebody like Johnny Cash? Guess I just was thinking of more traditional 'band' structure where each musician is an integral part of the music making formula

[vapid]

Doesn't keeping it to only groups limit the exposure in the hip hop category?

[ROCSteady]

Yea I guess it does unless you know your shit in that dept. It doesn't matter to me what we do or how it's done in regards to rules.

Jus saying this doesn't sound much like 'Battle of the Bands'.

More like 'Battle of the Songs'.

I like the wrinkle where songs are pitted against each other from 'bands' we have drafted, that's great.

Seems to be just another Music Draft with song battling if we can draft Tina Turner and shit :lol

[pete's montreux]

I get what you're saying but it still takes 3-4 guys to make a song. Some band members may not be as famous as other members in other bands but that's a product of the way the band is marketed.

To me, the only difference between a band like Cream and say, Eric Clapton solo is that him being solo puts him in charge, he has complete artistic control. He can replace members as he sees fits, writes most of the lyrics and music. In the classic band setting everyone has a say, everyone takes part in the songwriting. Most of the time.

[vapid]

Yea I guess it does unless you know your shit in that dept. It doesn't matter to me what we do or how it's done in regards to rules.

Jus saying this doesn't sound much like 'Battle of the Bands'.

More like 'Battle of the Songs'.

I like the wrinkle where songs are pitted against each other from 'bands' we have drafted, that's great.

Seems to be just another Music Draft with song battling if we can draft Tina Turner and shit :lol
Also completely rules out most of the trance/house/electronica genre and DJs in general I think.

[ROCSteady]

O ok I see. Well that's a non issue to me as my knowledge in those areas is meager at best. My drafting strategy will have nothing to do with those genres most likely

[Dasher]

Yea I guess it does unless you know your shit in that dept. It doesn't matter to me what we do or how it's done in regards to rules.

Jus saying this doesn't sound much like 'Battle of the Bands'.

More like 'Battle of the Songs'.

I like the wrinkle where songs are pitted against each other from 'bands' we have drafted, that's great.

Seems to be just another Music Draft with song battling if we can draft Tina Turner and shit :lol
You'd draft The Ike and Tina Revue as Tina's Ike free material is cheesy and shallow. I think if jazz musicians are drafter, the players in the band must be specified if the backing band isn't named/

[iamgine]

haven't started yet?

[Maniak]

Bump.

[Waking_Life]

I have no idea whats going on with this..

Im:

http://th297.photobucket.com/albums/mm204/woodyhd/th_lost05bn4.gif

[pete's montreux]

Commish still trying to work out the details. Participants aren't even ironed out yet. The commish is a fair commish, but he is also a calculating commish.

[Jackass18]

He said he had limited access to the Internet, so it'll be a couple days before the draft starts.

[vapid]

Bump to keep this in people's minds.

[ROCSteady]

So nobody knows when the drafting will begin?

What's the complications with the participants? Are we gunna have 10 or 12?

[vapid]

I think we should have 12, and I feel like the rules are actually pretty hashed out.

What would be useful is a list of potential categories that the judges will use, that will help the managers strategically determine where to take losses and where to focus their team around.

[Waking_Life]

Bump..??..

[RidonKs]

using roommate's comp, dell is jerking me around like crazy but hopefully a technician will be by with a new system by early next week

regardless, nobody is going to lose all of their interest in the next seven days, so i'm not too worried. there are still a few kinks to be worked out, at least a few of which i'm sure have yet to even be identified, but since discussion here is dying and it's only the same topics being discussed, i'll just make it all up myself when i come to that bridge and you all can stfu and live with it

(only half kidding lol)


i don't really get the criticism of it not turning into a real 'Battle of the Bands', like you might find at a shitty small town open mic house. they can't all be bands because there are way too many awesome solo musicians who people would want to draft of all genres, mostly electronica and hip hop. maybe i'll just rename it when i post the real thread and that will solve the problem?

still need suggestions for interesting specialized categories, but worst case scenario i'll make a few up on the fly before the start of the draft and we can improvise the rest throughout. goal for gm's will be to draft over vast expanses of time and genres, or as much as they can without sacrificing talent.

we'll try to get 12 but if there isn't enough interest, ten will work. it'll also nix a round from regular season which is actually a good thing considering how much these usually die down once you pass the mid-way point.



i'll be around for a little while if anybody wants to try to figure anything out btw, nothing springs to mind immediately apart from the spec cat shit

[ROCSteady]

It's not really a complaint but the title just threw me off a bit. Sounds just like the Music Drafts that have taken place beforehand minus the song vs. song wrinkle.

More semantics than complaining lol

[raiderfan19]

What all genres are we going to have to use songs in?

[RidonKs]

What all genres are we going to have to use songs in?
that's the trick we need to figure out

you'll each send in a set of numbers, i'm thinking eight at the moment but potentially ten if you guys want, with each number featuring a song from a band you've chosen

preliminary categories i'm thinking

open
open
open
collaboration with another artist
collaboration with another artist
live version
weird stipulation
weird stipulation

it might be a chronological stipulation focusing on an era, it might have something to do with the billboards, maybe something to do with instrumentation (full brass section, i dunno i just made that up), or maybe no vocals, again the options are limitless, and i'll repeat once more, any help coming up with cool categories will not only be appreciated but will also help make this thing more fun in the long run

that's sort of the gist

there's also going to be a hard and fast rule dictating that judges totally rule out everything they already know about the artists in question. that means legacy, popularity, sales, all that bullshit is meaningless in this draft. this is about the music first and foremost.


one last thing... once we start drafting, gm's should be encouraged to pm the judges about their opinions. you don't want to give up your individuality and just draft whatever they think is best, but it'll also help prevent complaints down the road. if you're wavering on an artist, fire a pm to one or two of the judges and see how they feel about that artist. judges can respond however they want to, and if they find somebody's prying too far into their opinions and should start figuring shit out by themselves, they're welcome not to answer anything and tell that poster to shut up.


can't think of anything else



edit: but sorry, to answer the question directly, no genre is off base and you can draft whoever you want. a stipulation might be genre based, but it'll be broad enough to ensure everybody SHOULD be able to cover it. like 'soul' instead of 'new-wave trip-hop supe dodge' or whatever some moron blogger just came up with off the top of his uncreative head

another thought i had was to avoid using too strict stipulations... if more than half the gm's are unable to fill the mandate, the stipulation is thrown out and replaced with another. it seems like a good rule but maybe a smaller/bigger number? a third? two thirds? i dunno, whatever seems fair

[pete's montreux]

So what songs we choose will be private? I like the idea of that, not knowing what the other person chose until the judging starts.

[pete's montreux]

Something that just popped into my head: YouTube should not be used. I plan on providing a download link with a high quality version of each song I submit. YT's audio is way too lossy and you can't really control the volume. I'd want my songs listened to with the highest possible quality so the judges can "hear" everything.

[Nick Young]

Something that just popped into my head: YouTube should not be used. I plan on providing a download link with a high quality version of each song I submit. YT's audio is way too lossy and you can't really control the volume. I'd want my songs listened to with the highest possible quality so the judges can "hear" everything.
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[vapid]

Something that just popped into my head: YouTube should not be used. I plan on providing a download link with a high quality version of each song I submit. YT's audio is way too lossy and you can't really control the volume. I'd want my songs listened to with the highest possible quality so the judges can "hear" everything.
That's too difficult to consistently do. YouTube or some other streaming site is by far the easiest method.

[pete's montreux]

That's too difficult to consistently do. YouTube or some other streaming site is by far the easiest method.

For you maybe.

[Dasher]

For you maybe.
I'm not downloading anything. Provide streaming or youtube links.

[vapid]

For you maybe.
As Dasher said below, we want the judges to have easy and convenient access to the songs. You can sacrifice a little sound quality.

[pete's montreux]

I'm out then.

[johndeeregreen]

I'm out then.
Oh my God.:oldlol:

[ROCSteady]

We need Youtube. There's simply no other alternative that is gunna be able to accommodate everyone in the draft. I have a lot of downloaded stuff but not of the extent I will need to make a well rounded 'team' or whatever we're calling the assortment of our selections

[Maniak]

I'm out then.
...

:oldlol:

[Jailblazers7]

Hey pete, do you want me to go out and buy some top of the line headphones to make sure I get maximum quality when I judge the songs?

[ROCSteady]

:lol

[pete's montreux]

There's plenty of other people to replace me. I'll do the next one when It's more prepared and the people involved take it more seriously. Half the posters involved haven't even posted since they signed up. Everyone wants to participate but no one wants to do the work.

I'd rather have a judge listening to a high quality version of the song I submit rather than a low quality abomination on YT.

I mean unless someone knows of a site that streams high quality audio because I don't know of any.

I'm actually surprised I'm the only one who's not comfortable with using low quality audio links. That's just handicapping you right off the bat.

[pete's montreux]

Hey pete, do you want me to go out and buy some top of the line headphones to make sure I get maximum quality when I judge the songs?

I just bought these. (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DT770pro/) I can let you borrow my brand new Sennheisers that I won't be using anymore.

[ROCSteady]

True, I mean LA Reid, Harvey Goldsmith, or Clive Davis would never stand for Youtube links so why should our esteemed judges :mad:

[pete's montreux]

True, I mean LA Reid, Harvey Goldsmith, or Clive Davis would never stand for Youtube links so why should our esteemed judges :mad:

A man after my own heart.

[Jailblazers7]

Judges can always use something like Spotify to listen to a lot of the songs that will be posted.

[Nick Young]

There's plenty of other people to replace me. I'll do the next one when It's more prepared and the people involved take it more seriously. Half the posters involved haven't even posted since they signed up. Everyone wants to participate but no one wants to do the work.

I'd rather have a judge listening to a high quality version of the song I submit rather than a low quality abomination on YT.

I mean unless someone knows of a site that streams high quality audio because I don't know of any.

I'm actually surprised I'm the only one who's not comfortable with using low quality audio links. That's just handicapping you right off the bat.

By the way I still live in my mom's basement and once invited a girl out with intent to date rape her! I actually got her to take the roofy before her friends rescued her from my sweaty palms and 2 inch pencil dick

:facepalm

[pete's montreux]

SoundCloud lets you upload in FLAC but it blocks copyrighted material. :mad:

[vapid]

:facepalm Pete does this every draft. I can feel the nerd-elitist-rage through the computer screen.

[pete's montreux]

:facepalm Pete does this every draft. I can feel the nerd-elitist-rage through the computer screen.

I am completely elitist when it comes to music. I can't justify participating in something like this especially when the judges will be listening to very low quality music on shitty headphones.

It that had popped into my mind I probably never would've opened the thread to begin with. I also feel like of all people in this draft, you'd be the one to understand.

[Lebowsky]

I'm not downloading anything either. I was planning on using YT links + spotify just like jailblazers mentioned, I thought that would suffice.

[pete's montreux]

It's really not that big of a deal. Obviously my standards are higher and unreasonable to most. You guys have fun with your draft. Shannon is probably the only other person I can think of who'd agree with me.

[vapid]

I am completely elitist when it comes to music. I can't justify participating in something like this especially when the judges will be listening to very low quality music on shitty headphones.

It that had popped into my mind I probably never would've opened the thread to begin with. I also feel like of all people in this draft, you'd be the one to understand.
I don't understand because I can put my elitism aside for something silly like this. I don't care that my perceived elitist taste will not be fully appreciated for the sake of convenience. I also know that you make a habit of joining these things and then backing out because of some trivial matter that makes it completely unacceptable for you. If this was any semi-competitive, semi-serious event I would feel like you're scared of losing.

[pete's montreux]

I don't understand because I can put my elitism aside for something silly like this. I don't care that my perceived elitist taste will not be fully appreciated for the sake of convenience. I also know that you make a habit of joining these things and then backing out because of some trivial matter that makes it completely unacceptable for you. If this was any semi-competitive, semi-serious event I would feel like you're scared of losing.
Do you have an example of me backing out? I can't remember one. I know I've ran a few that fizzled out in the past year or so, that's about it.

What I mean by you understand me is that you have the money and the attitude for high quality products. I spend a lot of time on my music, a lot of money on my headphones and audio equipment, etc. I figured you did the same. Maybe you don't.

I actually feel like this SHOULD be competitive. You just said silly. It's not silly to me.

[Dasher]

:oldlol:

That is all.

[pete's montreux]

There hasn't been a serious draft on ISH since the original music draft. I've been trying to get one going since then and nothing has worked out.

I'm looking for a super competitive, super serious draft. This obviously isn't it. I don't know why people are so upset. It hasn't even started yet. The participants haven't even been set yet.

People getting mad that I'm "backing out" says more about you than it does me. I asked a lot of questions, got the conversations rolling on all the rules so far. Suggested numerous categories and such.

Like I said, everyone wants to play but no one wants to do the work.

[Jackass18]

one last thing... once we start drafting, gm's should be encouraged to pm the judges about their opinions. you don't want to give up your individuality and just draft whatever they think is best, but it'll also help prevent complaints down the road. if you're wavering on an artist, fire a pm to one or two of the judges and see how they feel about that artist. judges can respond however they want to, and if they find somebody's prying too far into their opinions and should start figuring shit out by themselves, they're welcome not to answer anything and tell that poster to shut up.

Sounds cheap to ask the judges what bands to draft.

[Stempel, HERB]

There hasn't been a serious draft on ISH since the original music draft. I've been trying to get one going since then and nothing has worked out.

I'm looking for a super competitive, super serious draft. This obviously isn't it. I don't know why people are so upset. It hasn't even started yet. The participants haven't even been set yet.

People getting mad that I'm "backing out" says more about you than it does me. I asked a lot of questions, got the conversations rolling on all the rules so far. Suggested numerous categories and such.

Like I said, everyone wants to play but no one wants to do the work.
Calm down heffer. Nobody is mad you're backing out. Each post is laughing at you clown.

Are you posting on the super top secret password protected led zeppelin is god of music forums tattling to all the bros about the noobs on here who are okay with crude youtube streams.

BUT SHANNONELEMENTS WOULD UNDERSTAND ME!

You wanted to sit on the sidelines taking potshots at draft picks without opening yourself up for criticism like you've done with EVERY OTHER DRAFT. I can't believe all of you losers havent drafted THIS guy. You don't even have to name the person and you wont. Wanna know why? Then you'd have to stand alone and support your own opinions which might lead to heart break and a tub of ice cream once Ridonks Thorpe JohnDeere or some other poster you follow around and try so desperately to gain their approval tells you you're wrong and stupid.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, I won't be giving any hints if drafters ask me by PM.

[pete's montreux]

Calm down heffer. Nobody is mad you're backing out. Each post is laughing at you clown.

Are you posting on the super top secret password protected led zeppelin is god of music forums tattling to all the bros about the noobs on here who are okay with crude youtube streams.

BUT SHANNONELEMENTS WOULD UNDERSTAND ME!

You wanted to sit on the sidelines taking potshots at draft picks without opening yourself up for criticism like you've done with EVERY OTHER DRAFT. I can't believe all of you losers havent drafted THIS guy. You don't even have to name the person and you wont. Wanna know why? Then you'd have to stand alone and support your own opinions which might lead to heart break and a tub of ice cream once Ridonks Thorpe JohnDeere or some other poster you follow around and try so desperately to gain their approval tells you you're wrong and stupid.

Hi Dasher.

[Dasher]

Hi Dasher.
It's not me. Maybe it is Vapid.

[Jackass18]

Youtube is unlistenable? I don't see the problem. If someone wants to hear the high quality version, then they can go seek it out on their own.

[vapid]

It's not me. Maybe it is Vapid.
Wasn't me, but that last paragraph is pretty spot on.

[pete's montreux]

Wasn't me, but that last paragraph is pretty spot on.

Yeah, is it? Where's the link to the drafts I backed out of?

[Nick Young]

Do you have an example of me backing out? I can't remember one. I know I've ran a few that fizzled out in the past year or so, that's about it.

What I mean by you understand me is that you have the money and the attitude for high quality products. I spend a lot of time on my music, a lot of money on my headphones and audio equipment, etc. I figured you did the same. Maybe you don't.

I actually feel like this SHOULD be competitive. You just said silly. It's not silly to me.
maybe you should instead spend that money on movin out of mama's house:confusedshrug:

[vapid]

Yeah, is it? Where's the link to the drafts I backed out of?
You do the pot shot on the side line thing here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189496&page=43

You back out because someone you wanted didn't make the list... then I remember you talking about how no one picked Annihilus for like 3 rounds: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164006&page=3

Too lazy to keep looking.

[ZeN]

You do the pot shot on the side line thing here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189496&page=43

You back out because someone you wanted didn't make the list... then I remember you talking about how no one picked Annihilus for like 3 rounds: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164006&page=3

Too lazy to keep looking.
Your still planning on making another comic book draft in the near future or your gonna wait till a good amount of time passes?

[vapid]

Your still planning on making another comic book draft in the near future or your gonna wait till a good amount of time passes?
I really don't have time to commish any draft with my current job... so no plans in the near future.:ohwell:

[ZeN]

I really don't have time to commish any draft with my current job... so no plans in the near future.:ohwell:
Yeah commishing can be a hassle. It sucked that you couldnt get in the current one. Particularly since most of the participants stopped being involved rather quickly.

[ROCSteady]

There's plenty of other people to replace me. I'll do the next one when It's more prepared and the people involved take it more seriously. Half the posters involved haven't even posted since they signed up. Everyone wants to participate but no one wants to do the work.

.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm125/like883/8ee74ca6.png

[Jackass18]

What is all this work he's referring to? I thought most of it was already hammered out.

[RidonKs]

jesus christ pete, are you f*cking serious? music is music, low quality, high quality, sub-woofer, $15 speakers, it can all be appreciated. nobody will take arguments or judgments any less seriously because the songs on display are at 256k instead of flac. the sheer quantity of songs that are going to be listed every few posts in this thread will practically require streaming.

we literally need you because you would be a very active gm, not to mention plenty knowledgable and with firm stances on what you consider to be quality and what you don't. i'm hoping at least half of the gm's will maintain an interest after, say, the 2nd round... you're the guy i figured would be here til the bitter end. and clearly since we're 200 posts in and haven't had a new poster ask to join since the 50th post, this thing isn't brimming with popularity... replacing you won't be hard? of course it'll be hard, we don't even have a full set of gm's yet! gah

i know where you're coming from, i've met fellow audiophiles who insist on top notch quality and cringe at the notion of youtube. i've never experienced it but i do understand it. still, for the sake of all that is good and houses of the holy, just give the elitism a rest and pony back up. it's the MUSIC that matters, remember? not the compression of the data.




but besides that rather abrupt display of melodrama.....

any reason why you won't give your thoughts jb? i might have expected that from the dash mayne with his fetish for originality, though i don't think i read anything from either him or leb. like i said, people who're asking too much of your opinions can be cut off whenever you like, but throwing out a few appetizer opinions to the curious would probably really help the draft.

then again, f*ck it... not my job to convince you, make up your own mind. lol

[RidonKs]

f*ck outta here sergio, this thread has no time for you or your gang of cretin admirers

[RidonKs]

vapid
rocsteady
jackass
rba
zen
iamgine
heyhey
raiderfan
if pete's really gone, we're down to eight. twelve is the preference, ten is next best, but if we don't have the numbers, we might have to settle. i'm feeling pretty moronic for purging the gm list. lol hindsight is 20/20 but i had my head firmly lodged between my hindlegs smelling my own ass when i made that decision. though i whiffed roses but it was really poo poo poo.

if we proceed with eight, i might be able to launch it in the next two or three days. if you guys want more gm's, find em.

[vapid]

*** pete, he does this every time. It's incredibly stupid.

[RidonKs]

i don't know any of the other examples, but this is definitely irrefutably undeniably stupid. f*cking handicap, IF EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME HANDICAP THAT MEANS IT ISNT A HANDICAP. lol

edit: i wonder if i can recruit playtits via facebook...

[Dasher]

Has anyone checked the interest levels of Kizzle, boozehound, or Shannon?

[Jackass18]

Has anyone PM'ed anyone about this? If not, get a list of names of people and I could PM them.

[ZeN]

Did anyone end up being PM'ed?

[Nick Young]

f*ck outta here sergio, this thread has no time for you or your gang of cretin admirers
u gei breh?:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Nick Young]

jesus christ pete, are you f*cking serious? music is music, low quality, high quality, sub-woofer, $15 speakers, it can all be appreciated. nobody will take arguments or judgments any less seriously because the songs on display are at 256k instead of flac. the sheer quantity of songs that are going to be listed every few posts in this thread will practically require streaming.

we literally need you because you would be a very active gm, not to mention plenty knowledgable and with firm stances on what you consider to be quality and what you don't. i'm hoping at least half of the gm's will maintain an interest after, say, the 2nd round... you're the guy i figured would be here til the bitter end. and clearly since we're 200 posts in and haven't had a new poster ask to join since the 50th post, this thing isn't brimming with popularity... replacing you won't be hard? of course it'll be hard, we don't even have a full set of gm's yet! gah

i know where you're coming from, i've met fellow audiophiles who insist on top notch quality and cringe at the notion of youtube. i've never experienced it but i do understand it. still, for the sake of all that is good and houses of the holy, just give the elitism a rest and pony back up. it's the MUSIC that matters, remember? not the compression of the data.




but besides that rather abrupt display of melodrama.....

any reason why you won't give your thoughts jb? i might have expected that from the dash mayne with his fetish for originality, though i don't think i read anything from either him or leb. like i said, people who're asking too much of your opinions can be cut off whenever you like, but throwing out a few appetizer opinions to the curious would probably really help the draft.

then again, f*ck it... not my job to convince you, make up your own mind. lol
lawl begging on your knees for heffer. that's exactly WHAT HE WANTS and was trying to draw out of everyone. "No pete you're needed, we need you" so he can reluctantly agree and feel like he has friends.

[Jackass18]

Did anyone end up being PM'ed?

I sent out 3 to the 3 people listed.

[ZeN]

I sent out 3 to the 3 people listed.
Duly Noted.

[ROCSteady]

So about how many musical artists will each gm end up drafting??

[vapid]

So about how many musical artists will each gm end up drafting??
Probably from 8-12, depending on how many we want to keep as a "bench".

[ROCSteady]

OK, so comparable to the Comic Drafts. That's cool w me

[iamgine]

Not start yet?

[Jackass18]

If we go now, then I think we only have 8.

[ZeN]

Posters Draft Redux

[RidonKs]

lol

i got consistent access now at least, even though my wireless is still f*cked. that means another seventeen hours on the phone with the morons at Dell before they finally send a technician. but at least the ethernet still works.

doesn't matter much until we find some comp, lol. or we could just try it with eight. i still can't believe pete dropped out. what a nin.

[vapid]

And pete's disappeared since I answered his question. Not surprised.

[iamgine]

Since Pete quit, this draft seems to die out.

[RidonKs]

he was the glue, so shit stuck

[RidonKs]

iunno, i could launch it any time, we just need the numbers lol


edit: thanks a lot assh*le, now it looks like i'm talking to myself :oldlol:

[Jailblazers7]

Since Pete quit, this draft seems to die out.

That's because no one wants to do the work.

[Jackass18]

We can give 8 people a go since it doesn't seem like anyone else is joining.

[RidonKs]

might as well, it'll still make for a good time. i'll post tomorrow or friday if we get enough of a consensus to launch.

btw i'm a little concerned i had a heavy hand in personally killing this by purging the newbs and turning a fun game into a convoluted hellhole of rules and regulation. ah well, what's done is done. lol

[vapid]

might as well, it'll still make for a good time. i'll post tomorrow or friday if we get enough of a consensus to launch.

btw i'm a little concerned i had a heavy hand in personally killing this by purging the newbs and turning a fun game into a convoluted hellhole of rules and regulation. ah well, what's done is done. lol
No, it will be fine. We are just waiting for the rules. People will be interested once we sart going, we are just waiting for you to start it.

[raiderfan19]

Im still in

[Jackass18]

If you want some ideas for categories, then:

'50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s
cover song
song from a movie (you could then throw in whatever restriction like excluding biographies, documentaries, movies about music or whatever)
song about love, drugs, war, or whatever
song title that has a person's name in it

[Jailblazers7]

Just start it now and let drafters diversify as they see fit. They can be more conservative with early selections and be adventurous with later picks to meet possible categories. No need to define everything at the start.

[ROCSteady]

That's because no one wants to do the work.


:roll: :roll:

Pete is my dude generally but he sounded like such an uptight, high-strung clown who desperately needs to get off a nut in that whole 'take my ball (headphones in this case) and go home' schtick.

We really needed him for this and he chooses to alienate himself over some copper wires and superior software

[ROCSteady]

If you want some ideas for categories, then:

'50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s
cover song
song from a movie (you could then throw in whatever restriction like excluding biographies, documentaries, movies about music or whatever)
song about love, drugs, war, or whatever
song title that has a person's name in it

Are we going to have the entire completed list of categories (I'd think and hope) before the draft begins??

I like a lot of jackass' categories. 8 people is weak though imo, 10-12 is ideal

[ROCSteady]

Just start it now and let drafters diversify as they see fit. They can be more conservative with early selections and be adventurous with later picks to meet possible categories. No need to define everything at the start.

I'm not so sure about this. Knowing exactly what type of songs you will be submitting is pretty damn key before even taking your first selection

[RidonKs]

I like a lot of jackass' categories. 8 people is weak though imo, 10-12 is ideal
you can make a difference! tell your friends, tell your relatives, spread the word! run nude through the streets with jeff's face on your chest! not popular enough? NOT POPULAR ENOUGH??? WE ARE ISH, THE CJK IN ALL OF ITS GLORY, AND WE WILL EMERGE OUT OF THIS SLUMP, WITH 2-4 EXTRA COMPETITORS FOR OUR PRETEND MUSIC COMPETITION!!!!!!! SEIZE THE DAY!!!



so jb seems firmly opposed to pre-selected categories whereas roc is in earnest support? what say the rest? i'm leaning towards having nothing too set in stone. i think the key will be 'reasonable categories', meaning categories that everybody should be able fulfill as long as they don't select all post-2000 indie bands. genre/era diversification will be key. but since categories will be invented at will between myself and our three esteemed judges, we can make sure that no absurdly specific stipulations make it through. that's my opinion in any case.

i'd prefer 10-12 as well ROC, but let's be real; this thread has been up for almost two weeks now and only a handful of new posters have randomly popped in since. in fact, more have dropped out than joined. those aren't good odds. unless you folks are actively PMing fellow posters you know who you reckon would make for good additions -- and i think that list has been all but exhausted -- we aren't going to get those two more, let alone four.

all of that said, and my sincerest apologies for coming off as a broken record time after time, but i'm going to be pretty busy for the next two days. work all day tomorrow, then fun, then out for saturday, then more fun. sunday is my 'laxation time and that's when i'll get this all together. so that's about two and a half days to search your little hearts out and see if we can't find a few more active gm's to make this thing worth the time we're about to invest into it.



as for jackass' categories, i'm liking the idea of theme categories, about very broad topics like those he listed. a question that might pop up is how much the theme in question, as well as the extent to which the respective songs chosen explore it, would matter in terms of judging -- or would those categories merely be judged as any other, under the broad heading of 'best song'. i think most people would prefer the latter but i think there's something to the possibility of shifting the weighting of those categories ever so slightly to make the theme more important.

era will matter, though i'll be reluctant to do anything prior to the 60s in all honesty. i don't want posters feeling that they have to select an artist whose career began in the 50s as a just in case. the 60s are a much more fruitful era for artists likely to already be on most posters' short lists.

'song titles that has a persons name in it' is stupid lol

[RidonKs]

I'm not so sure about this. Knowing exactly what type of songs you will be submitting is pretty damn key before even taking your first selection
the thing is, those 'special' categories are just curveballs in the grand scheme. the meat of the game will still be strictly based on talent. if there are eight artists to be chosen, i'm leaning towards only two of them being subject to some weird stipulation, to change ever round (or even every number, not sure how that would work though). if there are twelve artists, then only three would be reserved. so you would have twelve different artists to fit into those three categories, and all the other stipulations would be easily applied to any band -- stuff like 'live version' and 'collaboration', or just a blank choose whatever you want category. so i don't think it's very necessary to know anything extensive beforehand.

[Jackass18]

'song titles that has a persons name in it' is stupid lol

There's a number of songs about people, but maybe that's too narrow of a category.

[vapid]

I can start the draft now and run it if we aren't going to have pre-determined categories. Ridonks you can pick it up from me when you're back.

[BankShot]

Is it too late to join??? The Soul/R&B draft was fun as hell.

[ZeN]

Is it too late to join??? The Soul/R&B draft was fun as hell.
You can take my spot.

[vapid]

Is it too late to join??? The Soul/R&B draft was fun as hell.
Don't take ZeN's spot, just find another person to join as well.

[ZeN]

Don't take ZeN's spot, just find another person to join as well.
I was trying to give him my spot because if I end up playing, I will have absolutely no idea what im doing.. i lack music knowledge. :oldlol:

[BankShot]

Don't take ZeN's spot, just find another person to join as well.

I'd be down to participate... but definitely not enough to actively seek out another person to join :roll: