Pau Gasol for Millsap and Devin Harris

[Nick Young]

DO IT MITCH:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[LBJMVP]

bad deal for jazz

[Chalkmaze]

DO IT MITCH:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuo6_-fD0yw

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/1/peewee0xt.png

[StateOfMind12]

You do understand that both teams have to agree with the trade, right?

[Xiao Yao You]

I'd do Jefferson not Millsap.

[talkingconch]

haha as much as I'd love it, no way they give up Millsap

[Nick Young]

haha as much as I'd love it, no way they give up Millsap
last year weren't they trying to get rid of him so that Derek Favors could get more minutes?

[Xiao Yao You]

The fans seemingly want to get rid of him. Can't imagine the Jazz are unless a deal they can't refuse comes along. He and his contract are too good.

[Darkess]

He and his contract are too good.

Meaning Millsap, not Harris

[Lebron23]

Jerry West is not the GM of the Utah Jazz.

[rocfan1]

Milsap>Pau Gasol

[kurple]

Jefferson and Harris -4- Pau could happen

[RazorBaLade]

Because of our interesting trade exception chip, we could do something like

TPE for gigantic scrub
Pau gasol and devin ebanks for Millsap and Harris

I wouldn't do that deal personally, but its an interesting use of the TPE imo. We can use it for a 2 part trade to make some unbalanced trades way more fair.

[QuebecBaller]

last year weren't they trying to get rid of him so that Derek Favors could get more minutes?

And how Gasol will help Favors to get more minutes?

[dbugz]

pathetic lakers fans :oldlol:

[HeddaGambler]

If Orlando would be willing to ship Redick to Utah along with Hedo & Howard to LA, we might have a deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o24huw

[RazorBaLade]

If Orlando would be willing to ship Redick to Utah along with Hedo & Howard to LA, we might have a deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o24huw

Wow I dunno if I'd do that.... Its certainly interesting but damn its tough to give up your 2nd and 3rd best player and ask devin harris or turkey to make up for it.

[Xiao Yao You]

And how Gasol will help Favors to get more minutes?

Might have to bring Millsap off the bench or play him at the 3 if they trade Jefferson and start Favors with Gasol.

Redick for Harris yes! After what Howard just did to the Lakers they might have to consider it.

[DaBigReality]

I was thinking...Utah is in a pretty good position right now in terms of salary and flexibility. They already salary dumped Okur to the Nets and Raja Bell, Millsap, Al Jefferson, and Devin Harris are ALL expiring next season. Al Jefferson being the most noteworthy here in terms of do they resign him to be their premier big next to Favors or trade his $15M expiring butt out.

What should also be realized is that next season also just happens to be the season before the new CBA measures in regards to luxury tax and all that happiness starts bearing down on teams. So a lot of teams over the cap will be looking for some nice expiring offers...

Anyways, if I'm the Jazz, my priority is to get some backcourt. So I don't see them doing a trade like the OPs, not this season at least. Not until I know what's happening with Al Jefferson.

[824]

Do not want, Gasol > Harris and Millsap, even though millsap is good Harris is only useful to the lakers because how badly they need a point, but not losing gasol for that

[Xiao Yao You]

Al Jefferson being the most noteworthy here in terms of do they resign him to be their premier big next to Favors or trade his $15M expiring butt out.

He's not their premier big man now so the decision should be easy.

[El Kabong]

Anyways, if I'm the Jazz, my priority is to get some backcourt. So I don't see them doing a trade like the OPs, not this season at least. Not until I know what's happening with Al Jefferson.
Pretty much. Jazz have prospects at every position except for PG. Who knows how they'll turn out, but the team is being built for making a run 4-5 years from now, so trading for a guy like Gasol makes no sense.

[v1ncelis]

OMG ... some Lakers fans are beyond stupid. Seems every team in a league wants Lakers players.
Ok some mine trade ideas.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=269sddw

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89oar6x

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=889qgd4
Happy now?
Keep living in your dream world.

[QuebecBaller]

OMG ... some Lakers fans are beyond stupid. Seems every team in a league wants Lakers players.
Ok some mine trade ideas.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=269sddw

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89oar6x

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=889qgd4
Happy now?
Keep living in your dream world.

:lol :lol :lol
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[RRR3]

OMG ... some Lakers fans are beyond stupid. Seems every team in a league wants Lakers players.
Ok some mine trade ideas.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=269sddw

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89oar6x

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=889qgd4
Happy now?
Keep living in your dream world.
:roll: :applause:

[joshwake]

Why would the jazz trade thier best player and most valuable contract? Like many have said the trade is only possible with Jefferson in place of milsap.

[Rekindled]

Jefferson, Hayward, Harris for Gasol


Bynum
Jefferson
Hayward
Kobe
Harris

[blablabla]

Jefferson, Hayward, Harris for Gasol


Bynum
Jefferson
Hayward
Kobe
Harris
why would the jazz trade hayward

[Hammertime]

Why would the Jazz want Gasol? Jefferson alone has been more productive than Gasol this year.

[MastahX]

LOL - I wouldn't trade Milsap for any Laker player. He's arguably the best PF in the league this year.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Jerry West is not the GM of the Utah Jazz.
What's your point?

[Eric Cartman]

If Orlando would be willing to ship Redick to Utah along with Hedo & Howard to LA, we might have a deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o24huw


THIS ... IS ... AMAZING :bowdown:

[ILLsmak]

I'd do Jefferson not Millsap.

any reason why? Gotta be at least 6'10?

-Smak

[joshwake]

Dear entitled Lakers fan, you cannot have our best player for an aging pau gasol.

[rule1223]

gasol for two scrubs? no thanks, lakers can get way better for gasol

[RRR3]

gasol for two scrubs? no thanks, lakers can get way better for gasol
Paul Millsap is no scrub.

[LA_Showtime]

Why are people acting like Millsap is suddenly better than Gasol? He's not. I know Gasol hasn't played very well this season, but a lot of that can be attributed to Bynum staying healthy. They just don't play well together.

[Whoah10115]

If Orlando would be willing to ship Redick to Utah along with Hedo & Howard to LA, we might have a deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o24huw



If I could find a Larry David Prettay Prettay gif I would post it. That does work, absolutely.



But if I was Orlando I would try to trade Pau Gasol, immediately afterwards...maybe.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Why are people acting like Millsap is suddenly better than Gasol? He's not. I know Gasol hasn't played very well this season, but a lot of that can be attributed to Bynum staying healthy. They just don't play well together.

Gasol = Millsap, both even players, but Gasol is on the decline I'd say. Millsap is 26.

[longtime lurker]

Why are people acting like Millsap is suddenly better than Gasol? He's not. I know Gasol hasn't played very well this season, but a lot of that can be attributed to Bynum staying healthy. They just don't play well together.

Yeah I don't get it either. Milsap is not better than Gasol, he may be younger but that doesn't always mean he'll be better. Either way the Lakers should look to trade Bynum because Gasol can do a lot more when he has room to operate.

[longtime lurker]

If Orlando would be willing to ship Redick to Utah along with Hedo & Howard to LA, we might have a deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o24huw

The deal leaves the Lakers woefully thin at the PF spot, but they're covered at every other position. This is a home run type of move the Lakers need to make to be made relevant. Besides they'd still have an off season to clear out all the crap on their roster and fill out the team with shooters ala the Heat.

[Hammertime]

Yeah I don't get it either. Milsap is not better than Gasol, he may be younger but that doesn't always mean he'll be better.

That's just stupid. Of course he'll be better. He is already playing better than Gasol this year, and you're suggesting that we don't know if 3 years from now, when he's 29 and Gasol is 35, he'll be a better player?

[nba_55]

Why would Utah trade their 26 years old pf who keeps improving and who is their best player with a good contract for an aging Gasol who is declining and has a bad contract?

Lakers fans :facepalm

[longtime lurker]

That's just stupid. Of course he'll be better. He is already playing better than Gasol this year, and you're suggesting that we don't know if 3 years from now, when he's 29 and Gasol is 35, he'll be a better player?

One he's not playing better than Gasol this year. They're pretty close to even and that's not even taking in Gasol's intangibles and defense. Second what I mean is that Milsap will probably never reach Gasol's peak years. So if you're trading Gasol why trade him for someone who's going to give you the similar production that you're getting from him now.

[LakersReign]

Why would Utah trade their 26 years old pf who keeps improving and who is their best player with a good contract for an aging Gasol who is declining and has a bad contract?

Lakers fans :facepalm

Why would the Heat trade their franchise player and closer in Wade, simply cuz they signed Lebron?!:wtf:


Bandwagon Lebron fans:facepalm

[DMV2]

Millsap, $8 million per year, mid-20's and has shown he can be as good as any PF head-to-head. He just doesn't have the green light as the other PF's to consistently put up 20-10 every night.

That's why he's so valuable.

[Pushxx]

OMG ... some Lakers fans are beyond stupid. Seems every team in a league wants Lakers players.
Ok some mine trade ideas.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=269sddw

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89oar6x

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=889qgd4
Happy now?
Keep living in your dream world.

Hahahah repped! Great effort on this one. :D

[Hammertime]

Second what I mean is that Milsap will probably never reach Gasol's peak years. So if you're trading Gasol why trade him for someone who's going to give you the similar production that you're getting from him now.

Last time I checked, you don't trade players based on how good their peak was, you trade them for how good they are now, or how good you think they're going to be in the future. Obviously, Gasol will only get worse, and he's already on a downward slope.

Millsap is a legit 20-10 guy(much more so that Bynum, I might add) given then minutes and will probably be an All-Star in the future. How much better of a player do you really think the Lakers can get for an aging Gasol?

[KBryant24]

three team deal
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[Xiao Yao You]

the team is being built for making a run 4-5 years from now, so trading for a guy like Gasol makes no sense

It makes sense from the standpoint of being better now as long as they aren't giving up their future prospects. Gasol>>>>>>Jefferson even as he declines. You just have to decide if you are willing to take the extra year on his contract and if you want to play him out of position at the 5 or move Millsap to the 3 or to the bench. Can move Favors into the starting 5. So it could make sense from that angle. Don't think it makes sense for the Lakers to have Al and Bynum though.


why would the jazz trade hayward

I can see trading him but not for a declining Gasol.


Why would the Jazz want Gasol? Jefferson alone has been more productive than Gasol this year.

Gasol would make the Jazz better than Al without a doubt. What he does goes way beyond the numbers. He's got a much higher basketball IQ. He's unselfish. A much better teammate. He's long. He and Millsap would be much more effective at the offensive end. The problem might be at the defensive end when it comes to guarding the big centers in the league.


any reason why?

Gasol makes more than twice as much as Millsap and has one more year left on his deal. He's fading while Millsap is still on the rise. Jefferson while the same age as Millsap isn't drastically improving, makes almost twice as much and just isn't as good in any way, shape or form.


Why are people acting like Millsap is suddenly better than Gasol?

Debatable. I'm a big Gasol fan back to his pre-Lakers days in Memphis. He's a player but so is Paul.


He's not. I know Gasol hasn't played very well this season, but a lot of that can be attributed to Bynum staying healthy. They just don't play well together.

His declining play goes back to last year in the playoffs. He and Bynum have been playing together since he got there so to say that is the reason is questionable.


They're pretty close to even and that's not even taking in Gasol's intangibles and defense. Second what I mean is that Milsap will probably never reach Gasol's peak years. So if you're trading Gasol why trade him for someone who's going to give you the similar production that you're getting from him now.

Paul comes with plenty of intangibles himself. That's why you'd have to take Jefferson not Millsap. Gasol was thought of more in the same vein as Paul before he went to the Lakers and won titles in his so called peak years. I keep hearing people say Millsap isn't this or that but he just keeps getting better and better. I didn't consider him an NBA starting PF til he replaced an injured Boozer 3 years ago. He convinced me pretty quickly that Boozer needed to go. Is he more than twice as valuable as Millsap is the question you have to ask.

[v1ncelis]

Hahahah repped! Great effort on this one. :D
:cheers:

[nba_55]

Why would the Heat trade their franchise player and closer in Wade, simply cuz they signed Lebron?!:wtf:


Bandwagon Lebron fans:facepalm
:lol :lol :lol
Fail cuz I m against any trade with Wade.
I want to keep Wade.

:facepalm

[wakencdukest]

Let's get something straight here: the OP is crazy. I don't know any Laker fans personally who would give up Gasol for Milsap. Milsap is good, don't get me wrong, but he has nowhere near the impact of Gasol. Gasol is way more versatile, a better passer, ballhandler, shotblocker, rebounder, etc. I recall Utah losing to LA 3 straight years in the playoffs specifically because their pair of 6'8 power forwards and soft ass Okur couldn't handle the the front line of Bynum, Gasol, and Odom. No thanks. Nothing personal against Milsap.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Let's get something straight here: the OP is crazy. I don't know any Laker fans personally who would give up Gasol for Milsap. Milsap is good, don't get me wrong, but he has nowhere near the impact of Gasol. Gasol is way more versatile, a better passer, ballhandler, shotblocker, rebounder, etc. I recall Utah losing to LA 3 straight years in the playoffs specifically because their pair of 6'8 power forwards and soft ass Okur couldn't handle the the front line of Bynum, Gasol, and Odom. No thanks. Nothing personal against Milsap.

Millsap wasn't one of them. Okur and Boozer yes..

Millsap lit up Gasol 11 days ago.

[Xiao Yao You]

Gasol is way more versatile, a better passer, ballhandler, shotblocker, rebounder, etc.

He's not a better rebounder. Not sure he's more versatile either. Again would you rather pay a declining player twice as much for an extra year than one on the rise?


I recall Utah losing to LA 3 straight years in the playoffs specifically because their pair of 6'8 power forwards and soft ass Okur couldn't handle the the front line of Bynum, Gasol, and Odom. No thanks. Nothing personal against Milsap.

Put 6'8" Millsap next to Bynum and it's a different story.

[wakencdukest]

Millsap wasn't one of them. Okur and Boozer yes..

Millsap lit up Gasol 11 days ago.


Yeah, Gasol is not playing his best ball right now, but I think people are jumping the gun a little by thinking he's rapidly declining.

[Suckafree]

If Orlando would be willing to ship Redick to Utah along with Hedo & Howard to LA, we might have a deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o24huw

This is interdasting

[Xiao Yao You]

I think people are jumping the gun a little by thinking he's rapidly declining.

Not sure anyone said it was a rapid decline but he certainly appears to be declining. Maybe it's just the change of offense/coach/players but after his playoff performance he's certainly shown the signs of decline.

[magnax1]

Millsap is a better player then Pau, no way in hell the Jazz are dumb enough for this trade.

[Xiao Yao You]

no way in hell the Jazz are dumb enough for this trade

Not sure about that but I hope you're right. Can't see the Lakers going after Harris. Not sure who would?

[joshwake]

while Gasol vs Milsap is debatable, you have to take into consideration two things; player age and contract price. Milsap has yet to peak and Gasol is on his way down. Milsap has one of the best contracts in the NBA, many teams are paying twice as much for half the player. There is no way Utah trades both Harris and Milsap for Gasol, especially since they are more concerned with developing a team that can win long term, rather than compete for a title in the next year or two.

[outbreak]

AT this stage of their careers no way i'd take Gasol over Milsap. Milsap's playing like a top 5 pf at the moment. can't see Utah giving up a contract like his for anything.

[rocfan1]

Milsap has gotten alot better primarily because he thought coming into the season that he would have to play some SF. At this point you have to be crazy not to say he's better then Gasol.

He's a better ball handler,scorer, rebounder and defender at this point not taking anything away from Gasol's game but, Milsap is really playing at a different level right now not to mention he's out played ever elite PF he's went up against this year Gasol,Love,Nene,Dirk,Griffin

[Mr. Jabbar]

You do understand that both teams have to agree with the trade, right?

this. :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

can't see Utah giving up a contract like his for anything

I'm afraid I can. Can't think of anyone that would be worth it though. It's funny that that there was a big question rather they should have matched the offer for that contract when it was made. One of the best things the franchise ever did certainly.

[LakersReign]

:lol :lol :lol
Fail cuz I m against any trade with Wade.
I want to keep Wade.

:facepalm


:lol :lol :lol :lol
Fail cuz not all Laker fans agree with trading a big for a small, which is still pretty much a rumor at this point:facepalm