I was checking out basketball ref, and noticed that Kobe...

[jstern]

Was leading the league with 416 shot attempts. I scrolled my eyes down a little bit to see where Lebron ranked, and he wasn't in the list. I then saw that Kobe was leading the league in FG made, and Lebron was number 2.

Here's what they're shooting so far.


Lebron: 155-271
Kobe: 189-416

Kobe has taken 145 more shots than Lebron, and I can only imagine it's going to get bigger. (Also that last nights games have yet to be added.) Is Lebron a better scorer since he's only averaging less than one point less than Kobe?

Field Goal Attempts
1. Kobe Bryant 416
2. Carmelo Anthony 319
3. LaMarcus Aldridge 306
4. Kevin Durant 299
5. Kevin Love 293

In fairness Kobe has played 2 more games than Carmelo.

[AirTupac]

iowejwoiejwiqjew no way bro

[RazorBaLade]

Just wondering.. What are the FTs and team shots?

[pauk]

Was leading the league with 416 shot attempts. I scrolled my eyes down a little bit to see where Lebron ranked, and he wasn't in the list. I then saw that Kobe was leading the league in FG made, and Lebron was number 2.

Here's what they're shooting so far.


Lebron: 155-271
Kobe: 189-416

Kobe has taken 145 more shots than Lebron, and I can only imagine it's going to get bigger. (Also that last nights games have yet to be added.) Is Lebron a better scorer since he's only averaging less than one point less than Kobe?

Field Goal Attempts
1. Kobe Bryant 416
2. Carmelo Anthony 319
3. LaMarcus Aldridge 306
4. Kevin Durant 299
5. Kevin Love 293

In fairness Kobe has played 2 more games than Carmelo.


lets just say that Lebron is scoring MUCH more efficiently

[Dwade305]

Lebron is a more efficient scorer by the looks of it, but they are both still top tier scorers. This sh1t gets beaten to death

[Tenchi Ryu]

Rose not on that list either....

Excellent, getting those teammates involved has been amazing

[jstern]

Just wondering.. What are the FTs and team shots?


Free Throws
1. Kobe Bryant 118
2. Kevin Love 114
3. Carmelo Anthony 104
4. LeBron James 98
5. Kevin Durant 97

[RazorBaLade]

Free Throws
1. Kobe Bryant 118
2. Kevin Love 114
3. Carmelo Anthony 104
4. LeBron James 98
5. Kevin Durant 97

And kobes only played 2 more games than bron. Impressive. brons having a hell of a season

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe
3.2 shots per game at rim
21.2 shots per game outside of rim

Lebron
7.2 shots per game at rim
12.5 shots per game outside rim

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx

[jstern]

Kobe
3.2 shots per game at rim
21.2 shots per game outside of rim

Lebron
7.2 shots per game at rim
12.5 shots per game outside rim

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx

Are you suggesting that the further you shoot the ball, the more shots you should put up?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Are you suggesting that the further you shoot the ball, the more shots you should put up?
Their offensive shot selections are much different

[cotdt]

can't compare when shot selection is very different. kobe's scoring has a different role for his team as he has to play with two bigs.

[Bladers]

Their offensive shot selections are much different

Therefore their efficiency differs. I can't believe people don't understand this.

LEbron is shooting a high percentage because he is living near the rim. and getting several fastbreak dunks/layups/drive a game and have cut out three point shooting from his arsenal.

How can people be so idiotic?

[The_Yearning]

Rose not on that list either....

Excellent, getting those teammates involved has been amazing

Not really. It's because he has been injured. He'd be right up there otherwise.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Rose not on that list either....

Excellent, getting those teammates involved has been amazing
Rose has the lowest FG% out of them

[Bladers]

Was leading the league with 416 shot attempts. I scrolled my eyes down a little bit to see where Lebron ranked, and he wasn't in the list. I then saw that Kobe was leading the league in FG made, and Lebron was number 2.

Here's what they're shooting so far.


Lebron: 155-271
Kobe: 189-416

Kobe has taken 145 more shots than Lebron, and I can only imagine it's going to get bigger. (Also that last nights games have yet to be added.) Is Lebron a better scorer since he's only averaging less than one point less than Kobe?

Field Goal Attempts
1. Kobe Bryant 416
2. Carmelo Anthony 319
3. LaMarcus Aldridge 306
4. Kevin Durant 299
5. Kevin Love 293

In fairness Kobe has played 2 more games than Carmelo.

No. Fastbreak dunks/layups/drives doesn't make you a better scorer.
Did u watch tonights game? what did u see? Drive drives drives. And when the bucks cut off lebron's driving what happened? he stood around and did nothing but pass. Lebron cavs won't do that nor last year heat lebron. This year He's made a conscious effort to stat pad his FG% and pick his shots very carefully. Watch him closely.

[jstern]

No. Fastbreak dunks/layups/drives doesn't make you a better scorer.
Did u watch tonights game? what did u see? Drive drives drives. And when the bucks cut off lebron's driving what happened? he stood around and did nothing but pass. Lebron cavs won't do that nor last year heat lebron. This year He's made a conscious effort to stat pad his FG% and pick his shots very carefully. Watch him closely.

But if Lebron can get those higher percentage shots off easier than Kobe, doesn't that make him a better scorer? Lebron is also shooting 45% from 3s.

[DMAVS41]

No. Fastbreak dunks/layups/drives doesn't make you a better scorer.
Did u watch tonights game? what did u see? Drive drives drives. And when the bucks cut off lebron's driving what happened? he stood around and did nothing but pass. Lebron cavs won't do that nor last year heat lebron. This year He's made a conscious effort to stat pad his FG% and pick his shots very carefully. Watch him closely.

Its not stat padding to just play smart basketball and take good shots. Only a ****ing Kobe Stan can hate on a player for playing smart basketball and being very efficient from the field while scoring 30 a game.

Yep...Lebron is just stat padding his way to 30/8/7 63% TS....:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[RRR3]

Its not stat padding to just play smart basketball and take good shots. Only a ****ing Kobe Stan can hate on a player for playing smart basketball and being very efficient from the field while scoring 30 a game.

Yep...Lebron is just stat padding his way to 30/8/7 63% TS....:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Don't bother. Bladers doesn't even watch LeBron play. He just spews BS. This fool was talking about LeBron "choking" against the Bucks yesterday but then was nowhere to be found after Kobe's 4th quarter "adventure" (to put it kindly) against the Pacers.

[Artillery]

Lebron's been better than Kobe for years now. We all know this.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Once again people, the more efficient scorer =/= the better scorer although both LeBron and Kobe are very dangerous scorers in their own right.

[Bladers]

Its not stat padding to just play smart basketball and take good shots. Only a ****ing Kobe Stan can hate on a player for playing smart basketball and being very efficient from the field while scoring 30 a game.

Yep...Lebron is just stat padding his way to 30/8/7 63% TS....:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

I never said it were. But it is stat-padding to avoid taking shots because it will hurt ur FG%. These are shots cavs lebron would have taken. But Lebron now avoids because he wants to protect his FG%. If you can't tell the difference between cavs/first year heat lebron and this year heat lebron then you're blind.

If you think this is all about making the best basketball play then u're an idiot. This isn't rocket scientist. You think wade would've gone down without a fight against the bucks? Come on. Watch wade play and watch him play. You have to be blind if you don't see the difference.

This is the guy who waits for the clock to run out before throwing up a halfcourt heave. like a lebron fan said in the game thread, why shoot it anyway if you're gonna wait till the clock run out, does he take us for a fool?

[Jacks3]

Lakers ORTG with Kobe on the court: 106
Lakers ORTG with Kobe off the court: 90

Yeah, he's not improving the offense at all. Haters mad because a 16th year Kobe is still out there dropping 31/6/6/1.4/0.5 on 2+% relative TS% with a incredible +20! adjusted +/-.

Nobody has played better or been more impactful.

MVP.

[DMAVS41]

I never said it were. But it is stat-padding to avoid taking shots because it will hurt ur FG%. These are shots cavs lebron would have taken. But Lebron now avoids because he wants to protect his FG%. If you can't tell the difference between cavs/first year heat lebron and this year heat lebron then you're blind.

If you think this is all about making the best basketball play then u're an idiot. This isn't rocket scientist. You think wade would've gone down without a fight against the bucks? Come on. Watch wade play and watch him play. You have to be blind if you don't see the difference.

This is the guy who waits for the clock to run out before throwing up a halfcourt heave. like a lebron fan said in the game thread, why shoot it anyway if you're gonna wait till the clock run out, does he take us for a fool?

He didn't go down without a fight. He plays in the ****ing NBA with capable teammates. He made good decisions and didn't force a lot. Could he have been a bit more aggressive? Sure, but you are revising history yet again.

The Bucks did a good job on him in the 2nd half and you just really don't understand basketball if you think Lebron should be launching up 20 foot jump shots.

But again, you are a Kobe stan and you think its a positive to be a chucker.

[Bladers]

Lakers ORTG with Kobe on the court: 106
Lakers ORTG with Kobe off the court: 90

Yeah, he's not improving the offense at all. Haters mad because a 16th year Kobe is still out there dropping 31/6/6/1.4/0.5 on 2+% relative TS% with a incredible +20! adjusted +/-.

Nobody has played better or been more impactful.

MVP.

Its funny that when you watch miami games. You see a trend. Miami play better, either cut opp leads or gain their lead and build upon a lead when Lebron is on the bench and lose leads more or become stagnant when lebron is on the floor.

[DMAVS41]

Lakers ORTG with Kobe on the court: 106
Lakers ORTG with Kobe off the court: 90

Yeah, he's not improving the offense at all. Haters mad because a 16th year Kobe is still out there dropping 31/6/6/1.4/0.5 on 2+% relative TS% with a incredible +20! adjusted +/-.

Nobody has played better or been more impactful.

MVP.

10-8 and out of the playoffs will not get him the MVP.

[DMAVS41]

Its funny that when you watch miami games. You see a trend. Miami play better, either cut opp leads or gain their lead and build upon a lead when Lebron is on the bench and lose leads more or become stagnant when lebron is on the floor.

per game plus/minus

lebron +6.2
kobe +3.4

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jacks3]

They'll be a top 2 seed by the time the playoffs roll around and he'll get it. It's pretty fun how you ignore the rest of the post. Fact is, Kobe's efficiency has been good-to-great since that horrible game @ Denver, and he's been more impactful than any player in the league. No star in the league comes close to his raw +16 offensive rating or +20 adjusted APM. To go along with 31/6/6/1.4/0/0.5/54% TS(+2%) and a 27 PER. Dude has been A BEAST. Far better than Dork. :oldlol:

So much for being a "chuker". But keep thinking a 5-time Champion needs advice from you hating clowns. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Its funny that when you watch miami games. You see a trend. Miami play better, either cut opp leads or gain their lead and build upon a lead when Lebron is on the bench and lose leads more or become stagnant when lebron is on the floor.
LeBron's "efficiency" doesn't matter nearly as much as these clowns think it does. Last year he had by far the best supporting cast in the league with a top 3 player in the world+a perennial All-Star PF+shooters across the board and could only produce a measly 111 ORTG. Very underwhelming given their talent. And a pathetic 107 ORTG in the playoffs.

:oldlol:

[Bladers]

He didn't go down without a fight. He plays in the ****ing NBA with capable teammates. He made good decisions and didn't force a lot. Could he have been a bit more aggressive? Sure, but you are revising history yet again.

The Bucks did a good job on him in the 2nd half and you just really don't understand basketball if you think Lebron should be launching up 20 foot jump shots.

But again, you are a Kobe stan and you think its a positive to be a chucker.

Always with the "you are a kobe stan" when you run out of an argument. :oldlol:

He wasn't making good decisions. I'm sure you have league pass broadband right? I can even quickly cut off all the lebron plays at the end of the game and put it for you on youtube. He was forcefully passive. Was he finding teammates? Yes but the teammates weren't open. And he kept trying to force feed them. At one point it has to click that hey. I need to make a play at the basket or we lose. You think Wade would have gone down like a bitch as lebron did? He folded. How can you defend what Lebron did last night? He clearly folded. He didn't play defense. There were acouple easy offensive rebounds he could have had and he just stood there and watched.

I was like OMG. First thing that crossed my mind is that, maybe he is throwing the game for wade because of all this "withoutwade" talk going on. Maybe he is losing on purpose for wade. Maybe wade asked him to take a fall.

And ofcourse here comes your apologetic response "you just really don't understand basketball if you think Lebron should be launching up 20 foot jump shots." Funny what did lebron do in the 3rd Qtr of the spurs game when they were down big?

What did he do all in cleveland? What did he do last year?

LOL that's what i thought.

If you think this forceful passiveness lebron is pullling this year in the clutch is the right basketball play. I hope he does it in the playoffs so the world can laugh at him [AGAIN] and i would be on here saying "i told you so" [AGAIN]

[Scholar]

Well, all I can say is that if you actually watch the Lakers games, Kobe is the only one making any noise on offense.
For the Heat, it's a different story. When DWade is on the court, LeBron is a 2nd scoring option (for the most part). Then you add in the fact that he has guys like Bosh on the team as well? It's a no brainer he doesn't have to take more shots.
I will say, though, that LBJ has been scoring with much higher efficiency than Kobe has.

One thing worth noting is that LBJ is 27 years old this season. Kobe @ the age of 27?
81 points, 62 points to outscore Mavs (62-61) in 3 quarters, averaged 40 ppg for an entire month (January '06), & arguably the man who should've won the league MVP title. On top of all that? The next best player on that team that year was Lamar Odom.

I'm not making excuses for Kobe. I'm also not hating on LeBron.

I'm just saying that this constant comparison got old way back in '05, but if we're going to compare, might as well look at their ages, instead of how they're doing now. Who knows how LeBron will be playing at the age of 33?

[Bladers]

per game plus/minus

lebron +6.2
kobe +3.4

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Wait. Are you retard? Do you know what plus/minus? Miami are winning blow out games and the Lakers are getting blown out or losing/winning in small margins. Ofcourse the differential will differ. Because Lebron has by far the best supporting cast and bench in the league based on production alone and lakers have by far the worst supporting cast and bench in the league based on production alone. There is a reason why Kobe is playing more mins than lebron.

[Jacks3]

They'll be a top 2 seed by the time the playoffs roll around and he'll get it. It's pretty fun how you ignore the rest of the post. Fact is, Kobe's efficiency has been good-to-great since that horrible game @ Denver, and he's been more impactful than any player in the league. No star in the league comes close to his raw +16 offensive rating or +20 adjusted APM. To go along with 31/6/6/1.4/0/0.5/54% TS(+2%) and a 27 PER. Dude has been A BEAST. Far better than Dork. :oldlol:

So much for being a "chuker". But keep thinking a 5-time Champion needs advice from you hating clowns. :oldlol:
And this is a 33-yr old dude in his 16th season. The fact you clowns continue to hate instead of appreciating what this dude is doing in his 16TH season is just pathetic.

BTW, put a 23-yr old Kobe in Mike Browns current system and he'd have no trouble consistently finishing at around a 58% TS,(which isn't too far off from LBJ's usual 59-60%)just like he did in his last prime seasons (07 and 08).

How good do you clowns think LeBron is going to look in his 16th season with 48,000+ min on his knees. Quit hating bitches.

[RRR3]

Bladers still ignoring LeBron shitting on Kobe AND Kobe getting owned in the 4th against the Pacers. Must be very tranquil being so blissfully unaware of any semblance of the real world.

@Jacks,
IF you Kobe stans didn't overrate the **** out of him and try to shove him down everyone else's throats, he'd get less hate. Fact.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Bladers still ignoring LeBron shitting on Kobe AND Kobe getting owned in the 4th against the Pacers. Must be very tranquil being so blissfully unaware of any semblance of the real world.

@Jacks,
IF you Kobe stans didn't overrate the **** out of him and try to shove him down everyone else's throats, he'd get less hate. Fact.
what?:lol

[Bladers]

what?:lol

Don't mind him... He's not very bright.

[Jacks3]

If you Kobe haters weren't so damn pathetic, he wouldn't have guys trying to shove him down your throats. Of course Kobe fans are going to nuts the way you clowns still hate on him.

Anyway, none of this shit matters. Kobe is a 5-time champ and living legend. Dude has absolutely nothing left to prove. He's already a top 10 player ever. Dude can only help his legacy at this point. It must kill you hating morons.

:oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

"Kobe is a five-time champ"

Gotta love stans that argue the current state of the NBA off a memory :violin:

[RRR3]

what?:lol
Didn't you watch the Heat-Lakers game the other day?

[Jacks3]

Gotta love haters trying hard to ignore those 5 Championships. Ya'll lost. Get over it. Everything Kobe fans said he'd do after Shaq was traded? He did it and more.LMAO @ you clowns acting like these reg season losses mean anything. Ya'll some whining little bitches man.

:violin:

[White Mamba]

per game plus/minus

lebron +6.2
kobe +3.4

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

thats it? its good number for kobe with the lakers losing so much.

[Jacks3]

Adjusted +/-

Kobe: +20.9
LBJ: -10.90

LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL

[Tenchi Ryu]

Didn't you watch the Heat-Lakers game the other day?
Did you?!
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

They avoided each other the ENTIRE time. And both were stat padding in the 4th quarter. It was a very boring and dull game.

[ace23]

Lebron is obviously the better scorer.

[Scholar]

"Kobe is a five-time champ"

Gotta love stans that argue the current state of the NBA off a memory :violin:

I guess we should forget about MJ's 6 rings, Shaq's 4, Bill Russell's 11, etc., etc. After all, we can't live off of "a memory" forever, right?

:facepalm

[ThatsGame]

thats it? its good number for kobe with the lakers losing so much.

Not when he's supposedly the only thing working for that team.

[Jacks3]

Adjusted +/-

Kobe: +20.9
LBJ: -10.90

LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL
Kobe on-court---106 ORTG
Off-court--90 ORTG

:pimp:

[Bladers]

Adjusted +/-

Kobe: +20.9
LBJ: -10.90

LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL

LOL I knew it my statement was true. Where's gino now? :roll: :roll:

[Bernie Nips]

Adjusted +/-

Kobe: +20.9
LBJ: -10.90

LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL

A Kobe stan's mind:

"Dammit, Kobe's FG% is really average. Like, it's kinda proving that he just shoots a lot to score his points. How can we get around this... let's find a stat that doesn't take into account his low-percentage shots and makes him look better than he is... TS%! YES!"

"Dammit, Kobe's +/- isn't as good as LeBron's... it's kinda proving that LeBron is more valuable on the court. How can we get around this... let's find a stat that uses an arbitrary system to make Kobe seem better than he is! ADJUSTED +/-! WOO!"

I think Kobe is the only player in the history of the league who fans will only use "advanced" stats to try and talk him up. With every other star, fans pull out just the regular stats, but to make up for Kobe's shortcomings, the advanced stats get pulled out by the homers. It's comical.

Edit: Here's a snippet of the explanation for "Adjusted +/-":


It is important to note that the adjusted +/- rating is not a “holy grail” statistic that perfectly captures each player’s overall value. The ratings reported here are limited by a number of factors. First, because they are estimates calculated using a complex statistical model, such ratings tend to be somewhat “noisy” with substantial estimation error unless a very large sample of games is used. In practice, even a full NBA season does not provide an adequate sample size to fully eliminate this issue. The use of only half a season’s worth of data exacerbates the problem, as indicated by the relatively high standard errors presented below.

Ha.

Hahaha.

Well done pulling out a completely useless statistic.

[rhythmic]

Lakers also played 18 games; why don't you mention their FGA/game.

[AlphaWolf24]

A Kobe stan's mind:

"Dammit, Kobe's FG% is really average. Like, it's kinda proving that he just shoots a lot to score his points. How can we get around this... let's find a stat that doesn't take into account his low-percentage shots and makes him look better than he is... TS%! YES!"

"Dammit, Kobe's +/- isn't as good as LeBron's... it's kinda proving that LeBron is more valuable on the court. How can we get around this... let's find a stat that uses an arbitrary system to make Kobe seem better than he is! ADJUSTED +/-! WOO!"

I think Kobe is the only player in the history of the league who fans will only use "advanced" stats to try and talk him up. With every other star, fans pull out just the regular stats, but to make up for Kobe's shortcomings, the advanced stats get pulled out by the homers. It's comical.


when in fact it's Kobe haterz that use advanced math and walls of stats to try and slight Kobe...

we get it.....stats show Kevin Love>LBJ>Lou Williams>Kobe...

still does nothing to change the fact that Kobe is still the best player in the league and still the #1 option in crunchtime



but stats say Kevin Love>Hakeem>LBJ>LouWilliams>Kobe

[Bladers]

A Kobe stan's mind:

"Dammit, Kobe's +/- isn't as good as LeBron's... it's kinda proving that LeBron is more valuable on the court. How can we get around this... let's find a stat that uses an arbitrary system to make Kobe seem better than he is! ADJUSTED +/-! WOO!"

LOL WTF Gino using his other gimmick account to comment in a losing debate? I can't say i'm not surprised. Do you even know what adjusted +/- is?


Adjusted plus-minus (+/-) rating is an advanced statistical approach to estimating a player’s effect on the game while controlling for the performance of his teammates and opponents.

http://www.82games.com/barzilai2.htm

It proved exactly what i said:


when you watch miami games. You see a trend. Miami play better, either cut opp leads or gain their lead and build upon a lead when Lebron is on the bench and lose leads more or become stagnant when lebron is on the floor.

and


Because Lebron has by far the best supporting cast and bench in the league based on production alone and lakers have by far the worst supporting cast and bench in the league based on production alone.

The adj +/- correlated exactly what i said above. It actually takes things into context. But to a lebron fan like you, context flies over ur heads.

[Bernie Nips]

LOL WTF Gino using his other gimmick account to comment in a losing debate? Do you even know what adjusted +/- is?

http://www.82games.com/barzilai2.htm

It proved exactly what i said:

and

The adj +/- correlated exactly what i said above. It actually takes things into context. But to a lebron fan like you, context flies over ur head.


Go re-read my post. The VERY EXPLANATION OF Adjusted +/- says that using it for anything less than a full season is GODDAMN RETARDED and IF YOU DO IT, YOU HAVE DOWN'S SYNDROME.

I am not exaggerating!

[rhythmic]

Go re-read my post. The VERY EXPLANATION OF Adjusted +/- says that using it for anything less than a full season is GODDAMN RETARDED and IF YOU DO IT, YOU HAVE DOWN'S SYNDROME.

I am not exaggerating!

But using unadjusted +/- is completely fair?

[Bladers]

But using unadjusted +/- is completely fair?

The epitimy of the idiotcy and hypocrisy of Lebron's fanboys. By his own addmision he's a down syndromenite

[Bernie Nips]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[RaininTwos]

Well, all I can say is that if you actually watch the Lakers games, Kobe is the only one making any noise on offense.
For the Heat, it's a different story. When DWade is on the court, LeBron is a 2nd scoring option (for the most part). Then you add in the fact that he has guys like Bosh on the team as well? It's a no brainer he doesn't have to take more shots.
I will say, though, that LBJ has been scoring with much higher efficiency than Kobe has.

One thing worth noting is that LBJ is 27 years old this season. Kobe @ the age of 27?
81 points, 62 points to outscore Mavs (62-61) in 3 quarters, averaged 40 ppg for an entire month (January '06), & arguably the man who should've won the league MVP title. On top of all that? The next best player on that team that year was Lamar Odom.

I'm not making excuses for Kobe. I'm also not hating on LeBron.

I'm just saying that this constant comparison got old way back in '05, but if we're going to compare, might as well look at their ages, instead of how they're doing now. Who knows how LeBron will be playing at the age of 33?
This is all for naught because Lebron has been more efficient for sometime now. He's just taking it to another level this year.

[Bladers]

I never said it was, but it's a far more straightforward statistic that simply shows what happens when a player is on the court. There's no abitrary system trying to calculate anything other than... when a player is on the court, his team has scored 'this' much more or less than the other team. It's a simple statistic and was used correctly in the context of what was being argued (that LeBron's team becomes stagnant and stops scoring when he's on the court).

You dropped out of high school didn't you? English comprehension was't your forte, was it?


The most common approach is to compute plus/minus ratings that measure how point differentials change when a particular player is in the game versus when he is not. The logic of this approach is straightforward; teams should perform better when their good players are playing versus when they are not.

The intuitive appeal of this approach has not escaped teams’ attention, and my understanding is that most teams use plus/minus ratings to some extent. However, these “unadjusted” plus/minus ratings do not measure the value of a player per se; they measure the value of the player relative to the players that substitute in for him.

In addition, there are differences in the quality of players that players play with and against. A weak starter on a team with exceptionally good starters (relative to bench players) will generally get a very good unadjusted plus/minus rating – regardless of their actual contribution to the team.

Thus, a better measure of player value would “adjust” these plus/minus ratings to account for the quality of players that a given player plays with and against. In addition, it would account for home court advantage and for clutch time/garbage time play. Thus, unlike in unadjusted plus/minus ratings, these “adjusted” plus/minus ratings do not reward players simply for being fortunate to being playing with teammates better than their opponents.

Perhaps more importantly, with these adjusted plus/minus ratings I am able to estimate what game statistics predict better performance on the court

Suck on that you dumb bitch!!

[Simple Jack]

http://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.php?year=2011-2012

[NumberSix]

Anyway, none of this shit matters. Kobe is a 5-time champ and living legend. Dude has absolutely nothing left to prove. He's already a top 10 player ever. Dude can only help his legacy at this point. It must kill you hating morons.

:oldlol:
Yeah, but why are YOU bragging? :confusedshrug:

[Bernie Nips]

You dropped out of high school didn't you? English comprehension was't your forte, was it?



Suck on that you dumb bitch!!

What? You quote something that isn't relevant at all and want me to suck on it?

And you think English comprehension isn't MY forte...

[jstern]

Was leading the league with 416 shot attempts. I scrolled my eyes down a little bit to see where Lebron ranked, and he wasn't in the list. I then saw that Kobe was leading the league in FG made, and Lebron was number 2.

Here's what they're shooting so far.


Lebron: 155-271
Kobe: 189-416

Kobe has taken 145 more shots than Lebron, and I can only imagine it's going to get bigger. (Also that last nights games have yet to be added.) Is Lebron a better scorer since he's only averaging less than one point less than Kobe?

Field Goal Attempts
1. Kobe Bryant 416
2. Carmelo Anthony 319
3. LaMarcus Aldridge 306
4. Kevin Durant 299
5. Kevin Love 293

In fairness Kobe has played 2 more games than Carmelo.

I was looking for a different thread, but bump because Lebron is on a league of his own in this era.

271 shots vs 416, yet number 2 in FG made.

[Hoopz2332]

I was looking for a different thread, but bump because Lebron is on a league of his own in this era.

271 shots vs 416, yet number 2 in FG made.


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