Spurs to Retire Bruce Bowen's Jersey

[HylianNightmare]

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9116

[QUOTE]The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they will retire Bruce Bowen

[Dwyane Rose]

Where's MoosJuiceBowen? He'd be happy about this.

[mattvNJ]

never averaged over 8 ppg with the spurs... won 3 chips. not really deserving...

[Wonder Bread Kid]

About freaking time.

Without Tim, Tony, Manu, Bowen, there are no three banners hanging up their with the first one.

His defense was the glue.

:applause:

[Scholar]

Why are you face palming it? If Bowen played for any other team in league history (other than Lakers & Celtics), they'd retire his jersey, too.
He was a huge part of those title runs the Spurs had a few years back. Bowen was arguably the best defender in Spurs' history, and definitely the best defender in the league at one point in his career.
Don't hate the man. Just because he never averaged 30+ points or hit game-winning shots after game-winning shots doesn't mean his presence wasn't felt on the court.

[detroitdogg]

lmao at that bowtie wearing ass ***** getting his number retired, lame franchises do lame things

[Wonder Bread Kid]

never averaged over 8 ppg with the spurs... won 3 chips. not really deserving...

Yes he is. He gets over looked greatly by the non-Spurs fan and causal fan but his impact on the defensive end and well as his ability to knock down the corner three was vital to the Spurs success in the 00's.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

lmao at that bowtie wearing ass ***** getting his number retired, lame franchises do lame things

Weak posters post weak opinions.

[blablabla]

:applause:
he deserves it

[wang4three]

Pretty questionable.

[AMISTILLILL]

What kind of nonsensical, oblivious piece of shit actually argues AGAINST this happening? Drink bleach and fall on a knife if you somehow dispute Bowen's integral role in those Spurs championships.

[Miserio]

GOAT perimeter defender.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Pretty questionable.

Your basketball intellect. Yes, very questionable.

[D12"Magic"]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1071/1478998638_666dbbfcaa_o.gif

[L.Kizzle]

Goes to show u how great Duncan was. Will Finley be retired too (in Dallas?)

[wang4three]

Your basketball intellect. Yes, very questionable.

I'm sure if the Spurs supported Bachman for President, you'd vote for her. So I couldn't care less of what you think about it.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1071/1478998638_666dbbfcaa_o.gif
now that's how you play some defense :applause:

[JustinJDW]

I support. :applause:

[wang4three]

What kind of nonsensical, oblivious piece of shit actually argues AGAINST this happening? Drink bleach and fall on a knife if you somehow dispute Bowen's integral role in those Spurs championships.

He was about as integral as Robert Horry/Derek Fisher was to the Lakers, Kenny Smith to the Rockets, Bill Cartwright/Horace Grant/Toni Kucoc were to the Bulls.

None of these guys have their jerseys retired. They are called role players for a reason.

[JustinJDW]

He was about as integral as Robert Horry was to the Lakers, Kenny Smith to the Rockets, Bill Cartwright/Horace Grant/Toni Kucoc was to the Bulls.

None of these guys have their jerseys retired. They are called role players for a reason.Guys like Bruce Bowen matter so much more in places like San Antonio than they do in big city places like L.A and Chicago.

Trust me, Bowen is loved in S.A. I loved him when I lived there. He deserved to have his number retired. There are roleplayers, and then there are "where you wouldn't have half the championships you have if it wasn't for them" type roleplayers.

[AMISTILLILL]

He was about as integral as Robert Horry was to the Lakers, Kenny Smith to the Rockets, Bill Cartwright/Horace Grant/Toni Kucoc was to the Bulls.

None of these guys have their jerseys retired. They are called role players for a reason.

Are you seriously comparing those guys to Bowen? Bowen was the defensive identity of those Spurs teams. The Spurs grew to become synonymous with defense due in large part to Bowen.

[Jotaro Durant]

GOAT perimeter defender.

:roll: :roll:

:no: :no:

[wang4three]

Are you seriously comparing those guys to Bowen? Bowen was the defensive identity of those Spurs teams. The Spurs grew to become synonymous with defense due in large part to Bowen.

In a lot of those cases, those guys were better than Bowen. Bowen was the defensive presence on the perimeter, but Duncan and Robinson were the defensive beasts that buoyed the Spurs defense. Defensive bigs >>> Perimeter defense. He was allowed to play guys close cause he had Duncan or Robinson guarding the basket. If you don't believe that, then you must not think much of Duncan's and Robinson's defensive impact.

[CJ Mustard]

:facepalm @ anyone who truly believes this guy is deserving of having his jersey retired. He's an above average role player at best. There are/have been plenty of players in the league that are/were just as important to their teams that will never get their jersey retired.

[Scholar]

He was about as integral as Robert Horry/Derek Fisher was to the Lakers, Kenny Smith to the Rockets, Bill Cartwright/Horace Grant/Toni Kucoc were to the Bulls.

None of these guys have their jerseys retired. They are called role players for a reason.

Seeing as the guy bolded is still playing and has a strong case for having his number retired once he does call it quits, I think your point is moot.

[AMISTILLILL]

In a lot of those cases, those guys were better than Bowen. Bowen was the defensive presence on the perimeter, but Duncan and Robinson were the defensive beasts that buoyed the Spurs defense. Defensive bigs >>> Perimeter defense. He was allowed to play guys close cause he had Duncan or Robinson guarding the basket. If you don't believe that, then you must not think much of Duncan's and Robinson's defensive impact.

Dude... you compared Bruce Bowen to Toni Kukoc.

[Orlando Magic]

Teams shouldn't retire the jerseys of role players that weren't even with the team for their entire career. But oh well.

Retiring a jersey should be... you're with the team your whole career and you were a star. Nothing more, nothing less.

Tim Duncan? Sure.

Duncan would get his jersey retired even if they didn't win rings. Bowen wouldn't. And that's the difference. That's why you don't retire the jersey of roleplayers.

I think this is a setup for Ginobili and Parker also getting their jerseys retired. How do you retire Bowen's and not those 2? See where this leads? It's a slippery slope. Just retire the best... which Bowen wasn't.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

GOAT perimeter defender gets his due. WAY TO GO BRUCE!!! :cheers:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Teams shouldn't retire the jerseys of role players that weren't even with the team for their entire career. But oh well.

Retiring a jersey should be... you're with the team your whole career and you were a star. Nothing more, nothing less.

Tim Duncan? Sure.

I think this is a setup for Ginobili and Parker also getting their jerseys retired. How do you retire Bowen's and not those 2? See where this leads? It's a slippery slope. Just retire the best... which Bowen wasn't.

you obviously dont get the impact that bruce had on the spurs. we were the big 4 for a few years. funny to see all the haters in here that dont understand what bruce brought the table. a bunch of offensive loving lebron nut huggers seems like.


every spurs fan out there and anyone who watched most of bruce's play knows why his jersey is retired.

[N0Skillz]

now that's how you play some defense :applause:


ni99a aint gonna be trying that 3 again

[OmniStrife]

Bruce Bowen was a dirty piece of shit.
He was out there trying to injure players, that's NOT defense.

I'm sorry but retiring the jersey of a player who's most recognized play was kung-fu kicking 2 guys in the face is a shit stain on an otherwise great franchise.

Will they teach kneeing opponent players in the nuts and elbowing their faces in the schools next?

Bowen is the only player EVER I have truly loathed.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

lmao at that bowtie wearing ass ***** getting his number retired, lame franchises do lame things

LMAO


all you haters sound like a battered old wife hatin. 4 rings f@ggots

[MooseJuiceBowen]

GOAT perimeter defender.

hands down

[MooseJuiceBowen]

He was about as integral as Robert Horry/Derek Fisher was to the Lakers, Kenny Smith to the Rockets, Bill Cartwright/Horace Grant/Toni Kucoc were to the Bulls.

None of these guys have their jerseys retired. They are called role players for a reason.

are you ****ing serious comparing those players to bruce?? how disrespectful

[OmniStrife]

hands down
:facepalm

Yup great...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFvk4qHkT10

I hope he ends up in a wheelchair somehow.

[Droid101]

Pretty sad. You'd think the fourth most prestigious basketball franchise would avoid retiring stupid players' numbers.

[Miserio]

Only player to make Dirk look like a BIATCH

[MooseJuiceBowen]

In a lot of those cases, those guys were better than Bowen. Bowen was the defensive presence on the perimeter, but Duncan and Robinson were the defensive beasts that buoyed the Spurs defense. Defensive bigs >>> Perimeter defense. He was allowed to play guys close cause he had Duncan or Robinson guarding the basket. If you don't believe that, then you must not think much of Duncan's and Robinson's defensive impact.

are you stupid man?? how many years did bowen and robinson play together??? no longer responding to this idiot

[MooseJuiceBowen]

:facepalm

Yup great...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFvk4qHkT10

I hope he ends up in a wheelchair somehow.

awww how cute a suns fan talking trash on bowen.. YOU MAD BRO LMAO

suns were offensive trash and still are. god I would hate to be a suns fan

[AMISTILLILL]

Bruce Bowen was a dirty piece of shit.
He was out there trying to injure players, that's NOT defense.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/images/2009/01/28/andrew_bynum_fouls_gerald_wallace.jpg

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2011/05/10/bynumx-large.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/16/sports/16suns.1.600.jpg

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Bruce Bowen was a dirty piece of shit.
He was out there trying to injure players, that's NOT defense.

I'm sorry but retiring the jersey of a player who's most recognized play was kung-fu kicking 2 guys in the face is a shit stain on an otherwise great franchise.

Will they teach kneeing opponent players in the nuts and elbowing their faces in the schools next?

Bowen is the only player EVER I have truly loathed.

tyson chandler kicked someone in the face the very first game of this season. you are retarded

[Droid101]

suns were offensive trash and still are.
You see, this is why everyone thinks you're a stupid, pathetic, homer troll.

Even if you don't like the Suns, you can't deny that the Nash Suns have something like four out of the five best offensive seasons in NBA history. That's a huge accomplishment.

[CelticBaller]

:oldlol:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

funny to see these suns fans STILL CRYING after we demolished all there championship chances. even nash admitted that he flopped when horry hit him into the scores table

[MooseJuiceBowen]

You see, this is why everyone thinks you're a stupid, pathetic, homer troll.

Even if you don't like the Suns, you can't deny that the Nash Suns have something like four out of the five best offensive seasons in NBA history. That's a huge accomplishment.

I guess if you value offense over defense you could respect a dantoni led bunch of whiners that never won a ring. I wont. I value defense which they had none of.

[OmniStrife]

awww how cute a suns fan talking trash on bowen.. YOU MAD BRO LMAO

suns were offensive trash and still are. god I would hate to be a suns fan
You are right actually, I am mad.

But not as a Suns fan, but as a basketball fan.

A guy intentionally putting his foot where a shooter lands his own to injure him shouldn't play pro bball.

THAT IS NOT DEFENSE YOU RETARD. That's trying to injure the opponent.

[Miserio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC5PamjFwwI&feature=related

[MooseJuiceBowen]

You are right actually, I am mad.

But not as a Suns fan, but as a basketball fan.

A guy intentionally putting his foot where a shooter lands his own to injure him shouldn't play pro bball.

id probably have a bunch of excuses to if I was a suns fan and got that close to winning a championship and will probably never have that chance again :roll: :roll:

stoudawhiner might have cried about it more then suns fans but nash had respect. i respect nash but I will never respect that whining piece of shit amare or you whining piece of shit suns fans. you should take a note from your leader nash.


@Bowen12

I'd like to thank Peter Holt, Pop, RC, and the Spurs Organization, The GREAT GROUP of guys that made this all possible.

:cheers:

[Miserio]

You are right actually, I am mad.

But not as a Suns fan, but as a basketball fan.

A guy intentionally putting his foot where a shooter lands his own to injure him shouldn't play pro bball.

THAT IS NOT DEFENSE YOU RETARD. That's trying to injure the opponent.
He was dirty, but he was the greatest perimeter defender. Being dirty doesn't eliminate how good of a defender he was.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

He was dirty, but he was the greatest perimeter defender. Being dirty doesn't eliminate how good of a defender he was.

haters gonna hate man. especially on ISH its a breeding ground for haters

[OmniStrife]

id probably have a bunch of excuses to if I was a suns fan and got that close to winning a championship and will probably never have that chance again :roll: :roll:

stoudawhiner might have cried about it more then suns fans but nash had respect. i respect nash but I will never respect that whining piece of shit amare or you whining piece of shit suns fans. you should take a note from your leader nash.


@Bowen12

I'd like to thank Peter Holt, Pop, RC, and the Spurs Organization, The GREAT GROUP of guys that made this all possible.

:cheers:
I'm not whining as a Suns fan. I know we had missed our boat.
I respect the Spurs and all.

But what I can't respect are the times he was intentionally trying to injure players.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

I'm not whining as a Suns fan. I know we had missed our boat.
I respect the Spurs and all.

But what I can't respect are the times he was intentionally trying to injure players.

cry me a ****ing river man if nash can get past it why cant you?

just bought me a bowen throwback on ebay :applause: :applause:

[OmniStrife]

cry me a ****ing river man if nash can get past it why cant you?
:lol Can't get past what?? What the hell are you talking about man??
All I'm saying is that it's uncool to try injuring other ballers.

You disagree?

[MooseJuiceBowen]

:lol Can't get past what?? What the hell are you talking about man??
All I'm saying is that it's uncool to try injuring other ballers.

You disagree?

after seeing 96% of every game bowen played for the SPURS im not gonna sit here and say he tried to injure players. I think he was dirty for sure but I love dirty players. Loved old school basketball loved the pistons just love that era of basketball and bowen was one of those players. a throwback player that would get under your skin if you played against him. which was his job and he did it masterfully. every team in the league would of loved to have bowen guarding the best player on the floor every night. it was a GREAT luxury to have and im thankful as **** he was a spur. I love defense and I love dirty players I admit it. I love reggie evans play hes a bruiser. Alonzo mourning used to be my favorite player and he was dirty to. I just love that era of basketball. Everyone appreciates different things about the game you probably just appreciate offense. I appreciate defense

bowen didnt give a shit what people thought about him. he didnt give superstars any leverage either. there was a story about the olympics where lebron asked him to carry his bags or something and bruce was like wtf. the problem with these players now a days is they are too ****ing soft. disagree?

matter of fact its the pussyfication of all american sports. its happening with football now to. we are just getting soft.

ill take a oldschool dirty player like alonzo mourning any day over pus sies like pau gasol

[OmniStrife]

after seeing 96% of every game bowen played for the SPURS im not gonna sit here and say he tried to injure players. I think he was dirty for sure but I love dirty players. Loved old school basketball loved the pistons just love that era of basketball and bowen was one of those players. a throwback player that would get under your skin if you played against him. which was his job and he did it masterfully. every team in the league would of loved to have bowen guarding the best player on the floor every night. it was a GREAT luxury to have and im thankful as **** he was a spur. I love defense and I love dirty players I admit it. I love reggie evans play hes a bruiser. Alonzo mourning used to be my favorite player and he was dirty to. I just love that era of basketball. Everyone appreciates different things about the game you probably just appreciate offense. I appreciate defense

bowen didnt give a shit what people thought about him. he didnt give superstars any leverage either. there was a story about the olympics where lebron asked him to carry his bags or something and bruce was like wtf. the problem with these players now a days is they are too ****ing soft. disagree?
I agree.

But what about the times he put his foot where shooters came landing?
How is that not trying to injure them??

I mean the shot is halfway towards the basket by now?

How twisting the foot of a shooter AFTER he shoots helps?

[Miserio]

I agree.

But what about the times he put his foot where shooters came landing?
How is that not trying to injure them??

I mean the shot is halfway towards the basket by now?

How twisting the foot of a shooter AFTER he shoots helps?
It helps, because the next time he shoots he's gonna think about Bruce's foot and his shot is gonna go way off.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

I agree.

But what about the times he put his feet where shooters came landing?
How is that not trying to injure them??

I mean the shot is halfway towards the basket by now?

How twisting the foot of a shooter AFTER he shoots helps?

popovich wanted him to play that close. when your coach is telling you to do it you do it. he played SUPER close to players and never gave them an inch I think he had to play that way to be as good as he was. Im telling you right now you would of loved to have bowen on those suns teams. you might of won a ship.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

[OmniStrife]

Well, I agree on some points, and disagree on others.

That's life. See you in a game thread. :cheers:

[SpecialQue]

cry me a ****ing river man if nash can get past it why cant you?

just bought me a bowen throwback on ebay :applause: :applause:

For some reason, that made me laugh.

Not at you, but it seemed like a funny "fvck you" statement to people questioning him getting his jersey retired.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Well, I agree on some points, and disagree on others.

That's life. See you in a game thread. :cheers:

just answer this question. would you want bowen on those teams ?

what do you think about raja bell man?? he was dirty as hell to but i respect him

[SayTownRy]

look at the context too as far as what other jersey's the spurs have retired.

if it were gervin, robinson, and duncan on the way that would be one thing. are teams even that particular any more?

bottom line, if aj's jersey hangs in the rafters bowen's definitely deserves to hang up there as well.

:facepalm @ posting bowen's ppg. the spurs identity was defense.
:facepalm @ a guy who was right there in the mix for DPOY year after year on a team that was a defensive dynasty that he was an integral part of being questioned
:facepalm @ taking 15 posts before posting the wally gif. step your game up.

[ninephive]

lmao at that bowtie wearing ass ***** getting his number retired, lame franchises do lame things
Lol, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FranchiseRankings-Spurs

[D.J.]

To Bowen's credit, he was a key defensive player in their title runs. He was easily a top 5 perimeter defender at his best and possibly top 3. With that being said, his number being retired is questionable at best.

[BlueandGold]

Im good with this, Lakers retired Michael Cooper's jersey and he essentially played the same role.

[bdreason]

Retiring a Jersey isn't that big of a deal. It's not like he's making the HoF.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Ridiculous. Duncan and possibly Ginobili are the only two who should have their jerseys retired.

[D.J.]

Ridiculous. Duncan and possibly Ginobili are the only two who should have their jerseys retired.


I was thinking the same thing. Jerseys being retired is for those that were the face of the team. Someone like Duncan, Robinson, Gervin. If Bowen wasn't on the Spurs, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

[Rnbizzle]

Pretty retarded if you ask me. Great defender, but not worthy of this.

[SayTownRy]

it would be questionable if the spurs didn't win multiple titles based entirely upon their defense.

it would be questionable if bowen wasn't out there guarding the opposing team's best player from 6 foot point guards to 7 foot power forwards. how valuable is that kind of versatility? we're talking about guys like steve nash and dirk nowitzki. two absolute killers.

he was as important as a guy being out there pouring in 20 a night on a multi-championship winning team.

[Jotaro Durant]

better perimeter defender than payton? pippen? moncrief?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[rmt]

About time - Bowen was the man most responsible for 3 of the 4 banners hanging, not named Duncan, Parker, Manu and Popovich. If Avery's jersey is up in the rafters, then Bowen more than deserves to be there.

I'll remember him for his phenomenally quick feet, pesky hands and tenaciousness - just never gave up. Not a lot of talent but always preached to the SA kids to learn to do one thing well. Integral part of 3 of those championships.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Ridiculous. Duncan and possibly Ginobili are the only two who should have their jerseys retired.

good thing you arent in charge of retiring jerseys. tony was a finals mvp or did you forget

[MooseJuiceBowen]

better perimeter defender than payton? pippen? moncrief?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

yep

[BarberSchool]

never averaged over 8 ppg with the spurs... won 3 chips. not really deserving...
Not to mention no one in the league respected him. And a large number of players actively hated homie and thaught he was a dirty f@ggot trying to injure players in an underhanded, insidious way.

[Miserio]

good thing you arent in charge of retiring jerseys. tony was a finals mvp or did you forget
Well... we could say that final was arguably the easiest of all time. I don't know if that FMVP is so important.

[Jotaro Durant]

yep

ey my nikka bowen was great no doubt. but how you say he better than payton? :confusedshrug:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Not to mention no one in the league respected him. And a large number of players actively hated homie and thaught he was a dirty f@ggot trying to injure players in an underhanded, insidious way.

are you brain dead? everyone in the league respected him if you are gonna sit here and say that every team didnt want bowen playing for them you are an insane troll.

[BarberSchool]

yepThere is a 0.75% chance you are Bruce Bowen.
There is a 1.25% chance you are one of Bruce's DL friends.

[rmt]

Well... we could say that final was arguably the easiest of all time. I don't know if that FMVP is so important.

LOL at a FMVP not being important.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

ey my nikka bowen was great no doubt. but how you say he better than payton? :confusedshrug:

payton couldnt guard the players bruce guarded. no way payton would do a better job on dirk then bruce did. bruce guarded the best players on the floor every night for multiple positions. multiple assignments

[D.J.]

it would be questionable if the spurs didn't win multiple titles based entirely upon their defense.

it would be questionable if bowen wasn't out there guarding the opposing team's best player from 6 foot point guards to 7 foot power forwards. how valuable is that kind of versatility? we're talking about guys like steve nash and dirk nowitzki. two absolute killers.

he was as important as a guy being out there pouring in 20 a night on a multi-championship winning team.


Then I nominate Rodman to have his number retired to. Only 17.1 RPG, leading the league in rebounds both seasons he was there and the team went 93-35 with him(.727) and 24-12 without him(.667).



About time - Bowen was the man most responsible for 3 of the 4 banners hanging, not named Duncan, Parker, Manu and Popovich. If Avery's jersey is up in the rafters, then Bowen more than deserves to be there.


Derek Fisher should have his number retired by the Lakers when he retires as well. He was the man most responsible for the Lakers 3-peat after Shaq, Kobe, Fox, and Jackson.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

There is a 0.75% chance you are Bruce Bowen.
There is a 1.25% chance you are one of Bruce's DL friends.


keep trollin kid. all spurs fans love this guy.

I will be there March 21st when the big dawg gets his jersey retiredvs the twolves. cant wait

too bad he cant get out there and guard rubio or love :/

[D.J.]

keep trollin kid. all spurs fans love this guy.


Says the guy that's already posted 867 times.

[Miserio]

LOL at a FMVP not being important.
If you score 40 against the Raptors is not that big of a deal that if you scored them against a good defensive team, y'know what i mean?

[Jotaro Durant]

payton couldnt guard the players bruce guarded. no way payton would do a better job on dirk then bruce did. bruce guarded the best players on the floor every night for multiple positions. multiple assignments

okay so versatility i give to bowen..then how u say bowen better than pippen? he can guard all 5 positions...:applause:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Says the guy that's already posted 867 times.

what does that have to do with anything?? you got 3000 posts.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

okay so versatility i give to bowen..then how u say bowen better than pippen? he can guard all 5 positions...:applause:

I personally think pippen is the closest you can compare. Im not gonna sit here and argue this and trash pippen. Im a huge fan of his and all top 5 perimeter defenders.

Spurs to Retire Bruce Bowen’s No. 12 Jersey on March 21
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/120123_spurs_retire_bowen_jersey

Bruce Bowen by the Numbers
http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/120123_bruce_bowen_by_the_numbers

Bruce Bowen Jersey Retirement Q&A
http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/120123_bowen_jersey_qa

will get to see rubio live for the first time :)

[G-train]

The Spurs can retire whoevers jersey they want.
And if you think this was just about his playing ability (which was exceptional) then you need to read about who Bruce Bowen is.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

"BB: It's quite funny, it’s funny how Pop is the initiator of so much toward me. He even called me when they were signing me from Miami and I thought it was a joke.

Me and my sons were in the back area leaving the game and Pop comes up and he’s playing my boys and then he tells me, “We’re going to retire your number this year.” As he said it he looked at me as if, “Don’t get all mushy on me.” He smiles at me, slams his car door shut and takes off.
"

****in pop lol

[D.J.]

what does that have to do with anything?? you got 3000 posts.


Thought you just joined. Didn't realize you were here a year. My apologies. And point being, don't accuse someone of trolling when you're doing the exact same thing.

[Rnbizzle]

Poor man's Shane Battier.. Let's see if they put him up there in Miami too in a bunch of years :lol :lol

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Thought you just joined. Didn't realize you were here a year. My apologies. And point being, don't accuse someone of trolling when you're doing the exact same thing.

where have i trolled at all in this thread?? what is your problem?

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Poor man's Shane Battier.. Let's see if they put him up there in Miami too in a bunch of years :lol :lol

you think battier is better then bowen? what is your reasoning for that?

[G-train]

Duncan, Manu, Parker and Bowen will all get their jerseys retired.
Why? Because what they achieved is extremely rare, and the Spurs wont be retiring any more jerseys for another 20-30 years.

[SayTownRy]

Then I nominate Rodman to have his number retired to. Only 17.1 RPG, leading the league in rebounds both seasons he was there and the team went 93-35 with him(.727) and 24-12 without him(.667).

there are some glaring differences.

1. most importantly and most obviously no title, let alone 3 in which rodman was a key contributor. in this somewhat extenuating circumstance of retiring a jersey of a guy who was key on the defensive end, regular season success just doesn't carry the same weight.

2. rodman only played in SA for two seasons? years with the team has to play in. bowen spent more than half his nba career in sa.

if the spurs win it all in 95 and rodman stays a minimum of say 4 or 5 seasons and they stay elite over that time period then maybe somewhere there's a discussion to be had - i just think we're looking at two different scenarios here.

[D.J.]

where have i trolled at all in this thread?? what is your problem?



are you brain dead? everyone in the league respected him if you are gonna sit here and say that every team didnt want bowen playing for them you are an insane troll.


When you respond to other posters like you did above, you get labeled a troll. And Bowen was not respected. He injured multiple players and consider his flailing arms and sticking his leg out as a natural motion.

[SayTownRy]

If you score 40 against the Raptors is not that big of a deal that if you scored them against a good defensive team, y'know what i mean?

how bout if the cavs were the 4th ranked defense in the league that year?

[D.J.]

there are some glaring differences.

1. most importantly and most obviously no title, let alone 3 in which rodman was a key contributor. in this somewhat extenuating circumstance of retiring a jersey of a guy who was key on the defensive end, regular season success just doesn't carry the same weight.

2. rodman only played in SA for two seasons? years with the team has to play in. bowen spent more than half his nba career in sa.

if the spurs win it all in 95 and rodman stays a minimum of say 4 or 5 seasons and they stay elite over that time period then maybe somewhere there's a discussion to be had - i just think we're looking at two different scenarios here.


The point being is it's completely stupid to retire Bowen's jersey. It's not as if he died. Should the Lakers retire Derek Fisher's jersey? Rick Fox's?

[BarberSchool]

are you brain dead? everyone in the league respected him if you are gonna sit here and say that every team didnt want bowen playing for them you are an insane troll.I don't know what your definition of respect is, ssssson.

[SayTownRy]

Poor man's Shane Battier.. Let's see if they put him up there in Miami too in a bunch of years :lol :lol

battier never had the freakish lateral quickness bowen had.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

When you respond to other posters like you did above, you get labeled a troll. And Bowen was not respected. He injured multiple players and consider his flailing arms and sticking his leg out as a natural motion.

because players didnt like him doesnt mean they didnt respect him. you have to respect bowen when you go up against him. kobe respected the shit out of him. every team wanted him in on there squad to. no matter what you say

[MooseJuiceBowen]

The point being is it's completely stupid to retire Bowen's jersey. It's not as if he died. Should the Lakers retire Derek Fisher's jersey? Rick Fox's?

definately not rick fox but derek fisher has a good shot at getting retired.

[G-train]

Bruce Bowen is sitting at home polishing his NBA championship rings while nobodies cry about 5 dirty plays.

:oldlol:

[BarberSchool]

keep trollin kid. all spurs fans love this guy.

I will be there March 21st when the big dawg gets his jersey retiredvs the twolves. cant wait

too bad he cant get out there and guard rubio or love :/Don't keep trollin, son.

Spurs fans don't respect him, they like having an annoying Goon on the squad cause it did help them win. But a whole lotta SG anbd SF in the league hate Bruce's guts, and it's not becuase he played great defense on them. It's for who he is, isn't, and how he played the game. bruce isn't ever worthy of a ceremony of this manner, even by his own team. He was a dirty, awful, disingenuous hack who stepped far past the line of sportsmanship and respect on the court.

No one really respected your boy. :violin:

[D.J.]

because players didnt like him doesnt mean they didnt respect him. you have to respect bowen when you go up against him. kobe respected the shit out of him. every team wanted him in on there squad to. no matter what you say


Several people called him out on his dirty tactics(Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford, Isiah Thomas, Phil Jackson). Doesn't sound like someone that was all that respected.

[BarberSchool]

Bruce Bowen is sitting at home polishing his NBA championship rings while nobodies cry about 5 dirty plays.

:oldlol:Every damn night he would crowd Jumpshooters with his feet under theirs. 5 times he caused major injuries, but that doesn't limit his number of injury attempts to five.

Ask Vince, Kobe, Tmac, Anthony parker, and every other SG/SF who he guarded. Bruce did not play the game like the soft spoken hom)se#ual he was. He played the game like a dirty, foul, rotten bastard who did not mind ending careers with injuries.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Don't keep trollin, son.

Spurs fans don't respect him, they like having an annoying Goon on the squad cause it did help them win. But a whole lotta SG anbd SF in the league hate Bruce's guts, and it's not becuase he played great defense on them. It's for who he is, isn't, and how he played the game. bruce isn't ever worthy of a ceremony of this manner, even by his own team. He was a dirty, awful, disingenuous hack who stepped far past the line of sportsmanship and respect on the court.

No one really respected your boy. :violin:

really? nobody respected bowen??

funny because I remember seeing multiple videos of kobe giving bowen his due and saying how much he respected him and loved playing against him. kobe argueable the best player bowen has ever guarded besides jordan(yes bowen did guard jordan for a brief stint)

I shouldnt of even responded to this idiot. look at what he said rofl

[G-train]

Here's the thing.
Bowen didnt run a campaign to get his jersey retired.
Greg Popovich got it retired. If you have a problem with this, you have a problem with how Pop judges who is worthy of this honour.
Cos you are in a position to judge pop. You were on the road and in the locker room and in the trenches and in the team huddles. You were in the training and film sessions. You were giving him his defensive asisgnments. You were standing on the sidelines while a player sacrificed everything on the court for team success. A player that played winning basketball, made the right pass, took the right shot, made the perfect defensive play almost every time. You were there working in his foundation and involved in his community efforts. You know that there was a 1% chance an NBA champion would come out of where Bruce came out of.

Congratulations Bruce Bowen. STFU haters.

[SayTownRy]

Spurs fans don't respect him

:lol

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Every damn night he would crowd Jumpshooters with his feet under theirs. 5 times he caused major injuries, but that doesn't limit his number of injury attempts to five.

Ask Vince, Kobe, Tmac, Anthony parker, and every other SG/SF who he guarded. Bruce did not play the game like the soft spoken hom)se#ual he was. He played the game like a dirty, foul, rotten bastard who did not mind ending careers with injuries.

whos career did he end with injuries?? you are so ridiculous you need banned. you sound like a butt hurt loser who bowen owned

[G-train]

Every damn night he would crowd Jumpshooters with his feet under theirs. 5 times he caused major injuries, but that doesn't limit his number of injury attempts to five.

Ask Vince, Kobe, Tmac, Anthony parker, and every other SG/SF who he guarded. Bruce did not play the game like the soft spoken hom)se#ual he was. He played the game like a dirty, foul, rotten bastard who did not mind ending careers with injuries.

One of the most exaggerated and false posts in the history of the board.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Here's the thing.
Bowen didnt run a campaign to get his jersey retired.
Greg Popovich got it retired. If you have a problem with this, you have a problem with how Pop judges who is worthy of this honour.
Cos you are in a position to judge pop. You were on the road and in the locker room and in the trenches and in the team huddles. You were in the training and film sessions. You were giving him his defensive asisgnments. You were standing on the sidelines while a player sacrificed everything on the court for team success. A player that played winning basketball, made the right pass, took the right shot, made the perfect defensive play almost every time. You were there working in his foundation and involved in his community efforts. You know that there was a 1% chance an NBA champion would come out of where Bruce came out of.

Congratulations Bruce Bowen. STFU haters.

exatly a top 5 COACH of ALL TIME giving bowen the respect he deserves. guess pop doesnt respect him either :roll:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

does anyone remember the video of kobe commentating on one of the spurs vs lakers games?? It had him in the background talking about the game while it was played. very good watch kobe shows how much he respects bowen in that video. anyone who says he wasnt respected is just here to troll but its ISH so its expected.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

for all you suns fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjmbJm7idkI&feature=player_embedded#!

:cheers:

[BarberSchool]

really? nobody respected bowen??

funny because I remember seeing multiple videos of kobe giving bowen his due and saying how much he respected him and loved playing against him. kobe argueable the best player bowen has ever guarded besides jordan(yes bowen did guard jordan for a brief stint)

I shouldnt of even responded to this idiot. look at what he said roflThe Mucinex commercial Jeff has on here has more integrity than you or your idol Bruce Bowen. It's a decent troll account, but only if you keep things humorous, which it doesn't appear that you're very good at.

[FKAri]

after seeing 96% of every game bowen played for the SPURS im not gonna sit here and say he tried to injure players. I think he was dirty for sure but I love dirty players. Loved old school basketball loved the pistons just love that era of basketball and bowen was one of those players. a throwback player that would get under your skin if you played against him. which was his job and he did it masterfully. every team in the league would of loved to have bowen guarding the best player on the floor every night. it was a GREAT luxury to have and im thankful as **** he was a spur. I love defense and I love dirty players I admit it. I love reggie evans play hes a bruiser. Alonzo mourning used to be my favorite player and he was dirty to. I just love that era of basketball. Everyone appreciates different things about the game you probably just appreciate offense. I appreciate defense

bowen didnt give a shit what people thought about him. he didnt give superstars any leverage either. there was a story about the olympics where lebron asked him to carry his bags or something and bruce was like wtf. the problem with these players now a days is they are too ****ing soft. disagree?

matter of fact its the pussyfication of all american sports. its happening with football now to. we are just getting soft.

ill take a oldschool dirty player like alonzo mourning any day over pus sies like pau gasol

I dont think we share the same understanding of 'dirty'. But I agree with the rest.

In regards to the league being soft, I do think that ticky tack and touch fouls are way too common. That being said, I much prefer the way they call flagrants and hard fouls (they were more ignorant about injuries back in the day). I don't believe that plays off the ball just for the sake of fouling is a good thing. And I certainly don't believe that fouling for the sake of hurting is a good thing (ie. dirty).

[BarberSchool]

Greg Popovich got it retired. If you have a problem with this, you have a problem with how Pop judges who is worthy of this honour.
Cos you are in a position to judge pop.Which just flat out sucks cause a part of me really respects and admires pop. And to know he is the type of man who respects players and men like Bowen a great deal makes me think less of popabitch, not more of Bowen. And I don't want to think less of Pop.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

The Mucinex commercial Jeff has on here has more integrity than you or your idol Bruce Bowen. It's a decent troll account, but only if you keep things humorous, which it doesn't appear that you're very good at.

some peoples favorite players are lebron and kobe mine is bruce.

never trolled about bruce bowen in my life. good try tho kid. only person who sounds like a troll in this thread is you by the way people are talking to you. have fun

[SCdac]

**** yeah!!! :rockon:

this is awesome news

Well deserved.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

I dont think we share the same understanding of 'dirty'. But I agree with the rest.

In regards to the league being soft, I do think that ticky tack and touch fouls are way too common. That being said, I much prefer the way they call flagrants and hard fouls (they were more ignorant about injuries back in the day). I don't believe that plays off the ball just for the sake of fouling is a good thing. And I certainly don't believe that fouling for the sake of hurting is a good thing (ie. dirty).

we all value different things about the game we love. just so many people on ISH value offense over defense its really disgusting.

[D.J.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VDMaNyYCMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmI4r1XviVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdxXvkMB6gA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ8ubgYYEdc



Bowen has been accused before, most notably by Vince Carter and Ray Allen, of sticking his foot underneath shooters



"If you think you're going to land on a [defender's] foot, you're not going to be able to shoot the ball in rhythm. It takes you right out of your follow-through. ... But it's a dangerous play. You can easily get hurt."



"He kicked me purposely in the back of my Achilles. I almost came down wrong and he almost caused an injury," Stoudemire said after Thursday's practice. "He's known for doing that. I just hope the NBA and the commissioner take a look at that because it's definitely a dirty play."



''He pulls you, he grabs you, he hits your elbow every time you shoot,'' Allen said before the series began last Sunday. ''When you go to the basket, he'll shove you, then he'll fall. Stuff like that is annoying and not really basketball.''



Last season, Minnesota Coach Flip Saunders yelled, ''He's dirty!'' to the referees when Bowen became entangled with Sam Cassell. Later that season, after Bowen hit the Mavericks' Michael Finley with a forearm and was not suspended, Dallas Coach Don Nelson told The Dallas Morning News, ''You now can put me down as one of the many who have called him dirty.''



Last season, Toronto's Vince Carter severely sprained his ankle when he came down on Bowen's foot. Carter suggested that Bowen had tried to injure him. Then on Feb. 11 of this season, while playing for the Nets, Carter said he thought Bowen undercut him on a jumper before the two tumbled to the floor. Carter had to be held back from attacking Bowen, and received his first career ejection.

"I'm not going to get into whether it was deliberate or not," Carter said in talking about the incident in which one of his legs became entangled with Bowen's after Carter missed a jump shot. "But last year, a play similar to that ended my season. It was a concern for me."


Doesn't sound terribly respected to me.

[Crown&Coke]

The Spurs judge their guys differently. How many guys did they have that were all-world guys, 5 tops? Gervin, Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili, possibly Parker..... thats all I can think of

most team probably wouldn't retire Bruce's number, but they retired Avery Johnson's number. Who here would have thought that the Little General would end up with his number retired? He was instrumental in the title run, but retiring the guys number? I wouldnt' have thought of it but the Spurs damn sure believe they deserve it, and who the heck are we to argue with a team who has won more titles than any team not named Boston, LA, and Chicago.....

[SayTownRy]

does anyone remember the video of kobe commentating on one of the spurs vs lakers games?? It had him in the background talking about the game while it was played. very good watch kobe shows how much he respects bowen in that video. anyone who says he wasnt respected is just here to troll but its ISH so its expected.

yup, it was that thing spike lee did with kobe.

and kobe did nothing but sing bruce's praises. saying things like "now watch bruce is gonna beat me to that spot on the floor because he knows that's where i'm looking to get..."

bruce was a throwback player respected by throwback talents like kobe.

yall shoulda seen the 80s and early 90s. you'd be so mad

[The_Yearning]

The one player Bruce Bowen could not shut down:

The Black Mamba himself... Kobe jelly-bean Bryant.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

yup, it was that thing spike lee did with kobe.

and kobe did nothing but sing bruce's praises. saying things like "now watch bruce is gonna beat me to that spot on the floor because he knows that's where i'm looking to get..."

bruce was a throwback player respected by throwback talents like kobe.

yall shoulda seen the 80s and early 90s. you'd be so mad

I could give two shits if vince carter the player who QUIT on his teamates and his city crying about bruce. Kobe argueably a top 5 player of all time praising bruce.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

The one player Bruce Bowen could not shut down:

The Black Mamba himself... Kobe jelly-bean Bryant.

bruce was a tough defender to go against and during their careers bowen held kobe to 42.6% shooting and had 12 games where he held kobe to under 40 % 6 games under 35% and 8 games where he held him to under 20 also kobe averaged about as many turnovers as assists in those games.

nobody shuts down kobe though but bruce did very well.

[SCdac]

''He pulls you, he grabs you, he hits your elbow every time you shoot,'' Allen said before the series began last Sunday. ''When you go to the basket, he'll shove you, then he'll fall. Stuff like that is annoying and not really basketball.''

:roll:

Basketball aint a non-contact sport!!!

No offense to anyone, but Allen + Carter = straight up bitches

Grow some ****ing ball and realize basketball is tough, gritty, and hard fought

Only in this watered down, soft league would Bowen being vilified.

started and played in over 500 straight games... and how many flagrants? how many suspensions?

[RaininTwos]

What kind of nonsensical, oblivious piece of shit actually argues AGAINST this happening? Drink bleach and fall on a knife if you somehow dispute Bowen's integral role in those Spurs championships.

Drink bleach....fall on a knife.


Drink...bleach, fall on a knife????


We might be taking things a little too seriously around here.

[SCdac]

Bruce doing his thing!!! can't wait to see his jersey raised up :rockon:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/BowenonJordan.jpg

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Bruce doing his thing!!! can't wait to see his jersey raised up :rockon:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/BowenonJordan.jpg

damn where did you find that picture?? I would love to see that game again. you going on march 21st?

[B-Low]

I'm not gonna read all these pages of stuff but I WILL say that Bowen is the type of player that people (aka ISHiots) try to use as a way of separating "true fans" from "casual fans"

"true fans of the game understand that Bowen's defense is just as big a part of the Spurs championships as anyones"

Quit tryin to make mediocre players out to seem like you need some deep understanding of the game to truly appreciate their contributions. He was a dirty ass player who played defense well. You know what his reward is for that? His rings and a legendary .gif of him Dhalsim-kicking the NBA equivalent of Zoolander. His jersey has no place in those rafters.

[SCdac]

this is still one of my favorite gifs

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/bowen1pc9.gif


damn where did you find that picture?? I would love to see that game again. you going on march 21st?

idk found it online..

he also guarded Jordan when with the Celtics

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/BowenonJordan2.jpg

[MooseJuiceBowen]

"I appreciated the game. I understood that it was not my right to play, but it was an honor to play the game of basketball. Here it is, you got people fighting over in other countries just to protect our freedom and I get to play the game of basketball. Being that I get that opportunity, I

[Wonder Bread Kid]

I'm sure if the Spurs supported Bachman for President, you'd vote for her. So I couldn't care less of what you think about it.

I wouldn't f--k your mom if the Spurs told me to let alone vote for a retard to be President. But nice try.

[MochaUdoka]

You can call Bowen a dirty player and a role player all you want. What you can't do is discredit his importance to those championship teams.

Without him the Spurs don't have 4 championships. It seems management is aware of that fact, and wish to reward him for his services.

With that said, I personally wouldn't retire his number. I think that honor should be reserved for only the greatest players.

But it's not a big deal. No one picks 12 anyway.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VDMaNyYCMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmI4r1XviVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdxXvkMB6gA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ8ubgYYEdc




















Doesn't sound terribly respected to me.

bruce talking
"
I think part of people’s interpretation of my play as dirty is that I was an aggressive player, and how could you not be in the game, especially going up against some of the guys that I would go up against night in and night out. So I’ve grown thick skin for that stuff quickly because I understand it’s something that they have to do, as far as people telling a story, and nothing I could do would change people’s opinions if that’s what they already thought. One year they were talking about how I couldn’t shoot and then I came out and lead the League in three point field goal percentage. But nothing was ever said about that because people already had their thought processes about what I was as a player. So after a while that stuff doesn’t bother me because I understood if they’re sitting up there whining and complaining about me, then I must be doing something right in this game. A few coaches have said, yeah Bruce is dirty if you’re playing against him, but he’s a player that you’d love to have and that’s all that matters to me. See, you never heard Michael Jordan call someone dirty, even though the Pistons during that time were hard fouling him, he never called them dirty. The true competitors of the game, they just compete; they don’t say anything about anybody else, they just compete, and that’s what it’s all about. So it’s all about whose saying these things; you take it with a grain of salt and keep moving."

just goes to show your a bitch.

[Droid101]

bruce was a tough defender to go against and during their careers bowen held kobe to 42.6% shooting and had 12 games where he held kobe to under 40 % 6 games under 35% and 8 games where he held him to under 20 also kobe averaged about as many turnovers as assists in those games.

nobody shuts down kobe though but bruce did very well.
Where did this myth that Bowen did anything to stop Kobe come from?


Kobe, regular season career: 25.3 points, 5.3 boards, 4.7 assists, 45% field goals

Kobe, regular season against Bowen: 26.3 points, 6.1 boards, 3.7 assists, 43% field goals (32 games)


Kobe, playoff career: 25.4 points, 5.1 boards, 4.8 assists, 45% field goals

Kobe, playoffs vs Bowen: 28.6 points, 5.6 boards, 4.5 assists, 47% field goals (22 games)

Kobe plays better against Bowen than he does against "the field."

[SCdac]

To me all the bowen hate means that he did something RIGHT in his career...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/BringIt.jpg

[D.J.]

just goes to show your a bitch.


Just goes to show you're a troll.

[SCdac]

[QUOTE=MooseJuiceBowen]A few coaches have said, yeah Bruce is dirty if you

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Just goes to show you're a troll.

thats why you cant respond to what was said :roll:

you are a bitch.

[Miserio]

battier never had the freakish lateral quickness bowen had.
it aint matter, they sucked real bad.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

10 pages for a Bruce Bowen jersey retirement... :oldlol:

Dude is still on the mind of ISH.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

it aint matter, they sucked real bad.

for sure it aint matter at all.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

10 pages for a Bruce Bowen jersey retirement... :oldlol:

Dude is still on the mind of ISH.

gotta love it :cheers:

[Wonder Bread Kid]

p.s.

The guy did as much, if not more, off the court than on.

p.p.s

lol at people getting angry at whose jersey the SPURS decide to retire in THEIR arena from THEIR team.

Butt hurt is a funny thing.

[D.J.]

thats why you cant respond to what was said :roll:

you are a bitch.


Really? I contributed far more than you did. You may want to display more intelligence if you want to be taken seriously.

[rmt]

This honor is about what Bowen meant to the Spurs' 3 championships, not whether he's a great player or what talent he had relative to other teams' players who have their jerseys retired.

To those who are complaining, I'd think every fan would want their team to have an elite defender who was at least capable of making life difficult for the opponent's star perimeter player, knew his role, didn't need the ball, led the league in 3 pt shooting % one year and made timely defensive plays. He was an iron man too - starting 500 games. Shame on the voters who handed Camby a DPOY award and didn't vote for either Bowen or Duncan. Guess being the best defensive team for a decade doesn't get you anything.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

This honor is about what Bowen meant to the Spurs' 3 championships, not whether he's a great player or what talent he had relative to other teams' players who have their jerseys retired.

To those who are complaining, I'd think every fan would want their team to have an elite defender who was at least capable of making life difficult for the opponent's star perimeter player, knew his role, didn't need the ball, led the league in 3 pt shooting % one year and made timely defensive plays. He was an iron man too - starting 500 games. Shame on the voters who handed Camby a DPOY award and didn't vote for either Bowen or Duncan. Guess being the best defensive team for a decade doesn't get you anything.

nothing but rings :cheers:

[nightprowler10]

Absolutely hated the dirty ****er, but won't for a minute dispute the decision of retiring his jersey. Great, albeit very dirty, defender.


Lol, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FranchiseRankings-Spurs
Did a double take when I saw them rated higher than the Bulls. But then I realized that aside from the Jordan years and since DRose was drafted, we've been pretty abysmal save for a few seasons.

[BarberSchool]

I love dirty players I admit it. I love reggie evans play hes a bruiser.The fact you love Reggie Evans speaks volumes about your taste in basketball. Admitting that is likely a dead giveaway that at whatever your level of competitive experience was, you likely had almost no talent, and tried to make up for it with effort, smothering defense, and dirty/physical play, but especially dirty play.

Bet this resembles you in one form or another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6v-bW6wxoY

[Asukal]

I don't think he deserves it, he was like the 4th man of those championship teams. Rodman was the 3rd bestman on the 2ndpeat Bulls yet his number didn't get retired. :facepalm

[HurricaneKid]

There is a repeated and consistent overcompensation to credit offensive players and a complete lack of respect for defensive stoppers. I applaud SA for recognizing the tremendous contribution of a great defender. So what if he didn't score a tremendous number of points. If you were a 2 you hated seeing SA on the schedule because it meant a nasty game against a real competitor.

Besides, didn't you guys see Avery Johnson's # was retired? I mean if thats the standard SA should run out of numbers in a few years.

[nightprowler10]

I don't think he deserves it, he was like the 4th man of those championship teams. Rodman was the 3rd bestman on the 2ndpeat Bulls yet his number didn't get retired. :facepalm
I was thinking about this too, but you gotta remember Rodman was only with us three seasons. Bruce was with SAS for 8 years.

That said, Pistons did retire his jersey last year.

[VishaltotheG]

Where's that mother****er juice goose bowen or whatever his screen name is?

[clayton]

The only player to break ankles without the ball. :eek:

[SCdac]

I don't think he deserves it, he was like the 4th man of those championship teams. Rodman was the 3rd bestman on the 2ndpeat Bulls yet his number didn't get retired. :facepalm

It's not about his place on any one particular team or teams... it's about what he meant to the franchise.

Rodman - spent most of his career in DETROIT (they retired his jersey)

Bowen - played 752 games in San Antonio and ended his career there

[Asukal]

It's not about his place on any one particular team or teams... it's about what he meant to the franchise.

Rodman - spent most of his career in DETROIT (they retired his jersey)

Bowen - played 752 games in San Antonio and ended his career there

I'm not against it, I'm just saying I don't think he deserves it. :cheers:

[The_Yearning]

Agree Bruce Bowen... I have never the great players complain about foul play.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Where's that mother****er juice goose bowen or whatever his screen name is?

Right here baby

[Jasper]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1071/1478998638_666dbbfcaa_o.gif
he was willing to sacrafice his body for his team :bowdown:

[BarberSchool]

Right here babyYour boy is one of the most hated and loathed players in NBA history.
Pop might really just be trolling...
...in fact, I wouldn't be surprised. Pop is a funny MF.


***Punches JuiceGooseBowtie in his d@mn face***
***D.J. snaps both Bowtie's ankles***
***VishaltotheG stomps GooseJuice on his face***

[dude77]

this is a little too much .. I thought retiring numbers was reserved for that select group of special elite players

edit: nevermind I didn't know avery's jersey was there too .. apparently they have their own prerequisites for who deserves having their number retired

[BarberSchool]

this is a little too much .. I thought retiring numbers was reserved for that select group of special elite playersPopab!tch has to be trolling the world.
Just has to be.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1646063_o.gif

[dude77]

Popab!tch has to be trolling the world.
Just has to be.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1646063_o.gif

:oldlol:

[ImmortalD24]

Arguably the greatest perimeter defender since the modern era (80's). Well deserved. :applause:

[niko]

He's being retired by SA. He did enough for that i'd think. Not sure why some people are concerned about who a team retires the jersey of.

[MochaUdoka]

He's being retired by SA. He did enough for that i'd think. Not sure why some people are concerned about who a team retires the jersey of.

Because it's Bruce Bowen and everyone hates Bruce Bowen

[Wonder Bread Kid]

He's being retired by SA. He did enough for that i'd think. Not sure why some people are concerned about who a team retires the jersey of.

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/7/0/2/7/1195423550187356949molumen_red_approved_stamp.svg. hi.png

[Anaximandro1]

Bruce :applause:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

He's being retired by SA. He did enough for that i'd think. Not sure why some people are concerned about who a team retires the jersey of.

this is a ISH milestone. niko isnt trolling a spurs thread.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

It's too bad that Bruce's defensive exploits were never recognized by the Sportswriters during the Defensive Player of Year voting. Despite being the best perimeter defender in the NBA for most of his Spurs tenure, Bowen truly got robbed for the award in at least 2-3 year period, when he repeatedly came in second in voting. I believe Artest and Wallace were ceremonially given the award. In fact, Artest and the Pacers out-n-out campaigned for the award.

[Artillery]

It's too bad that Bruce's defensive exploits were never recognized by the Sportswriters during the Defensive Player of Year voting. Despite being the best perimeter defender in the NBA for most of his Spurs tenure, Bowen truly got robbed for the award in at least 2-3 year period, when he repeatedly came in second in voting. I believe Artest and Wallace were ceremonially given the award. In fact, Artest and the Pacers out-n-out campaigned for the award.

It probably didn't help that TD was taking away a large proportion of the votes. But yeah, the award has been meaningless in the past decade. Marcus Camby, really? Pathetic.

[Rooster]

this is a little too much .. I thought retiring numbers was reserved for that select group of special elite players

edit: nevermind I didn't know avery's jersey was there too .. apparently they have their own prerequisites for who deserves having their number retired


Retiring Avery Johnson jersey should leave no question on why Spurs retired Bowen. Spurs are not meticulous like the Lakers. The Lakers never retired Michael Cooper. Role players does not deserved a place in the Purple and Gold rafters.

[ROCSteady]

F UCK BRUCE BOWEN. Just goes to show you how lackluster their franchise history was before Duncan if the SAS are retiring his damn jersey. I could see honoring him at halftime but damn.

Lol matter of fact they are thirsty to create the mirage of having multiple great players.

Outside of Tim, Manu, & Parker, NONE of those guys during their run deserve to have their jerseys retired.

Bowen was a dirty piece of shit who only hit one shot consistently in his career (baseline three)

[ROCSteady]

10 pages for a Bruce Bowen jersey retirement... :oldlol:

Dude is still on the mind of ISH.


No, it's because most of us are bewildered why someone of his caliber (i.e. not worthy) is having his number retired by an NBA franchise. Would never happen most cities around the league

[CLTHornets4eva]

About freaking time.

Without Tim, Tony, Manu, Bowen, there are no three banners hanging up their with the first one.

His defense was the glue.

:applause:
I can see Tim and maybe Manu but all 4 don't deserve retirement IMO. If every good team retired their "glue" there would be no numbers left on the C's and Lakers. :oldlol:

[ROCSteady]

LMAO


all you haters sound like a battered old wife hatin. 4 rings f@ggots


He only had 3 rings you fact bending b!tch :hammerhead:

[rodman91]

Spurs :applause:

[ROCSteady]

bruce was a tough defender to go against and during their careers bowen held kobe to 42.6% shooting and had 12 games where he held kobe to under 40 % 6 games under 35% and 8 games where he held him to under 20 also kobe averaged about as many turnovers as assists in those games.

nobody shuts down kobe though but bruce did very well.

he also pooped on Bowen in the playoffs repeatedly at the worst (for Bowen :oldlol: ) times

[Meticode]

Popab!tch has to be trolling the world.
Just has to be.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1646063_o.gif
Wasn't that when Pop had the Spurs foul Shaq at tip-off just to troll him? :oldlol:

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Spurs retiring role players' jerseys that were part of their championship teams like the Celtics did. Let's be honest, Bruce Bowen doesn't really deserve to get his jersey retired.

[vinsane01]

Not that big of a deal really. It's in the organization's discretion to decide who they think deserves the nod.

As a spurs fan i think he deserves such an honor albeit a bit disputable. Regardless of his numbers and achievements, most spurs fans know he was a big part of why the spurs became a dominant team for a long time. He isnt just a replaceable role player, he was a perfect fit for the defensive minded system set by pop and company. To me his defensive presence in the perimeter could be equalled to duncan's paint presence. That's why when he retired, he left a huge void that is only being slowly filled today.

[Semi]

I'm a huge Bowen Fan but at first I thought, what the ****?! Well than you have to think about it, Duncan and Bowen where argubly the anchors of the best defensive team in the 00s. I think he was robbed for at least one DPOY award so the jersey retirement is a fine way of the Spurs showing their appriciation. I'm happy for him but honestly it's also a little bit too much for the jersey retirement. I think for example the Spurs should only retire Gervin, Duncan, Manu, Robinson and maybe Tony (I don't know if any of the older Players would deserve it because I don't know them)

[LakersReign]

he also pooped on Bowen in the playoffs repeatedly at the worst (for Bowen :oldlol: ) times


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvh9kEwekY8

The "lockdown" defense of Bruce Bowen:roll: :lol :oldlol: :roll:

[Vien]

Where did this myth that Bowen did anything to stop Kobe come from?


Kobe, regular season career: 25.3 points, 5.3 boards, 4.7 assists, 45% field goals

Kobe, regular season against Bowen: 26.3 points, 6.1 boards, 3.7 assists, 43% field goals (32 games)


Kobe, playoff career: 25.4 points, 5.1 boards, 4.8 assists, 45% field goals

Kobe, playoffs vs Bowen: 28.6 points, 5.6 boards, 4.5 assists, 47% field goals (22 games)

Kobe plays better against Bowen than he does against "the field."

Yep, but clearly Kobe definitely had to work extremely hard for those points. Props to Bowen. Watch some games.

[32jazz]

Im good with this, Lakers retired Michael Cooper's jersey and he essentially played the same role.
:wtf:

The Lakers never have nor never will retire Michael Coopers' number. To get your jersey retired in L.A. one better get into Hall of Fame or have a Finals MVP or both.

L.A. will never retire Coopers number nor Horry, nor Fisher, nor Rambis, nor A.C. Greene,etc...........

[niko]

this is a ISH milestone. niko isnt trolling a spurs thread.
you're a funny guy....

seriously though, some of the people in ESPN are having fits about this. If a guy is arguably someone you can retire the number (Bruce is) then i see nothing wrong with it. When it's something gay like the Heat retiring Jordan's number, or a team retiring the number of a player who stopped by for 10 games one year, then yes, it's retarded. But Bowen was there forever, was a great role player on a bunch of title winning teams, and is a lifetime spur (the way he is thought of, actually not sure which teams he played on).

Total non issue and the people complaining are just being ridiculous.

[ILLsmak]

Pretty questionable.

Other than the lockout season, one could say every Spurs championship was heavily dependent on Bowen.

Edit: Also I might go as far as to say, boldly, that the Spurs are not gonna win a championship for a long time. That makes his impact even greater. Those might be the only championships the Spurs ever win. All four of those guys: TP, Manu, TD, Bowen need to have their jerseys hung to show that they were relevant for a whole decade.

-Smak

[ninephive]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvh9kEwekY8

The "lockdown" defense of Bruce Bowen:roll: :lol :oldlol: :roll:
Because posting a video of Kobe shooting 100% on Bowen is an accurate representation.

[Droid101]

Yep, but clearly Kobe definitely had to work extremely hard for those points. Props to Bowen. Watch some games.
Kobe works hard every game.

Bowen is stain on the sidewalk to Kobe The God Bryant.

[LakersReign]

Because posting a video of Kobe shooting 100% on Bowen is an accurate representation.


Love it how Spur sympathizers always say that, while at the same time saying Bowen was a "great" defender. Kinda like how Rockets fans used to try to say how Battier was a "great" defender as well.:rolleyes:

[LJJ]

Him purposefully sliding his feet under jumpshooters is the most malicious act I've seen an NBA player display with such regularity. One of the most gifted perimeter defenders, but also a total disgrace to the sport.

[ninephive]

Kobe works hard every game.

Bowen is stain on the sidewalk to Kobe The God Bryant.
The only stains are blood stains from defenders because of Kobe's infamously flailing elbows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3DZNIpujeo

[LakersReign]

The only stains are blood stains from defenders because of Kobe's infamously flailing elbows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3DZNIpujeo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stPbnPZt9iA


You were saying?!:rolleyes:

Typical Kobe hater. So willing to point out Kobe's faults while at the same time ignoring other people's.:facepalm



Try again:no:

[MooseJuiceBowen]

only on ish does a bruce bowen retirement thread turn into kobe hate

[Shade8780]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvh9kEwekY8

The "lockdown" defense of Bruce Bowen:roll: :lol :oldlol: :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2yhBzJjis

The "clutch" offense of Kobe Bryant:roll: :lol :oldlol: :roll:

[LakersReign]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2yhBzJjis

The "clutch" offense of Kobe Bryant:roll: :lol: :oldlol :roll:


Notice how relevant that is to a Bowen retirement thread?!:hammerhead:

[Teanett]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
lets hear it for bb!

[ShawnieMac06]

I find it kinda funny that the Spurs will retire Bowen's #12...nice player and all, but he's been nothing more than a role player. His number being retired is a certainty that Ginobili's #20 and Parker's #9 will be retired as well, and rightfully so.

Then again, I hate the Spurs, so they can do whatever they want...

[32MJ32]

This genuinely disgusts me

[MooseJuiceBowen]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
This genuinely disgusts me

:roll: