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TheAdmiral3
01-23-2012, 05:35 PM
who ya got?

millwad
01-23-2012, 05:35 PM
Clyde, easily..

Miserio
01-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Tough. Pierce is more solid but when Clyde goes off, HE GOES OFF.

Legends66NBA7
01-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Clyde Drexler for me.

TheAdmiral3
01-23-2012, 05:42 PM
Clyde, easily..
why?

Scholar
01-23-2012, 05:44 PM
I'm going with Clyde. He was not only an offensive threat on the court, he played relatively decent defense as well. If he wasn't playing in the MJ era, I think he'd have had a terrific run for a few 'chips (possibly).
As for Pierce, I'm not taking anything away from his game, but he's never been a defensive minded player. Offensively, he's got a case as the Celtics' best, but I'll still pick Clyde "The Glide" Drexler.

pauk
01-23-2012, 05:46 PM
gimme the guy that once averaged 27-8-7 on 51% FG (clyde)

he was a better defender than Pierce aswell... much better court vision / passing to... he once averaged 8.0 apg

RRR3
01-23-2012, 05:47 PM
I'm going with Clyde. He was not only an offensive threat on the court, he played relatively decent defense as well. If he wasn't playing in the MJ era, I think he'd have had a terrific run for a few 'chips (possibly).
As for Pierce, I'm not taking anything away from his game, but he's never been a defensive minded player. Offensively, he's got a case as the Celtics' best, but I'll still pick Clyde "The Glide" Drexler.
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caliman
01-23-2012, 05:49 PM
Give me the Truth.

bizil
01-23-2012, 05:50 PM
For me I would roll with Clyde, but its not a cakewalk either. Both are very good to great all around players. But even in the all around sense I would go with Clyde. Clyde was just as good of a rebounder and better passer. Clyde conducted a fast break as good as damn near any SG ever. Both are alpha dogs no doubt. Even though Clyde was more dynamic, it might actually be a tie in the alpha dog sense. I think Pierce has the more complete scoring skillset. I think I would give the nod to Clyde because he's better all around than a very good-great all around player in Pierce. And Clyde was just as much of an alpha dog, some would argue more of one. But Clyde had that freakish athletic ability to go with his tremendous skills. He along with MJ were the main two guys who revolutionized the SG spot in the mid 80's. Gervin brought the combo of great size and shooting touch in the 70's. West before him brought the great fundamental skillset and all around ability. MJ and Clyde brought Dr.J type athletic ability and size and combined it with great all around ability.

East_Stone_Ya
01-23-2012, 05:51 PM
i will bump this thread and give my opinon once Pierce is retired

Miserio
01-23-2012, 05:51 PM
http://cdn.everyjoe.com/files/2011/05/larry-bird-pacers.jpg
http://puertatras.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/havlicek-jones.jpg

Both of them are over Pierce IMO.

Scholar
01-23-2012, 05:53 PM
http://cdn.everyjoe.com/files/2011/05/larry-bird-pacers.jpg

I said, "He's got a case..." That doesn't mean I'm saying, "He is the best..."

Reading comprehension > you

TheAdmiral3
01-23-2012, 05:56 PM
I said, "He's got a case..." That doesn't mean I'm saying, "He is the best..."

Reading comprehension > you
:oldlol:

Miserio
01-23-2012, 05:58 PM
I said, "He's got a case..." That doesn't mean I'm saying, "He is the best..."

Reading comprehension > you
He has no case whatsoever, RRR3 is right.

D.J.
01-23-2012, 05:59 PM
I like Pierce's versatility. He could score from mid-range, shoot 40% from downtown, and post you up. He had the ability to play the 2 or 3 and do so at similar efficiency. Both guys were good defenders, but Pierce wasn't a gambler like Clyde was. Clyde often gambled for steals and would miss at times. Pierce stayed with his man and could lock guys down.

Basically, what it comes down to is Pierce was a bit more consistent and reliable. Clyde was the more explosive of the two. If you need a 40 point game or a triple-double, Clyde was more likely to give you that. If you want someone reliable that can score in almost any way, get to the line with relative ease, and play smart defense, Pierce is who you want.

Rnbizzle
01-23-2012, 06:30 PM
Pierce is a good/great defender, I don't know why you are all saying he's shit on the defensive end?

millwad
01-23-2012, 06:33 PM
why?

Because he was better and had greater impact.
Clyde at his best was something really special and he gets forgotten sometimes because he had to deal with playing in the same era as Jordan.

Although Pierce was really good himself I wouldn't rank him over Clyde. Pierce only cracked the top 10 MVP list of the year once in his career and he was on 7th place that year.

Clyde cracked the top 10 MVP list 4 times and he even made it 2nd one year. Clyde was a more efficient scorer, shot with higher % although Pierce has a higher career average.

Clyde was also a better passer and I feel like he often gets underrated for his defense, he was a hard guy to play against.

In all, Pierce just can't be picked over Drexler.

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 06:44 PM
In all, Pierce just can't be picked over Drexler.
Please dawg, Pierce has a great argument over Drexler. I am not sure if I would put Pierce over Drexler in my all-time list but I would definitely consider it.

Pierce was better and more reliable in the post-season and all the stats pretty much back that up. I think Pierce was more reliable because he was much better than Drexler in scoring in the halfcourt. Drexler was more athletic and the much better transition player than Pierce was but the game slows down in the playoffs so you have to rely on your halfcourt game more.

Pierce was a pretty good all-around player himself. He was a pretty good defensive player, a really good rebounder, and a decent passer who could play point-forward if asked.

Pierce was also far more important, better, and more instrumental in his '08 championship than Drexler was in his '95 championship. Neither of them were the best player on their championship teams but Pierce has a better case as the best player on the championship team than Drexler does. Paul Pierce did end up winning the finals MVP you know...


Paul Pierce was the most underrated player in the 2000s
Clyde Drexler was one of, if not the most overrated players in the 90s. It's between him and David Robinson.

Pushxx
01-23-2012, 06:53 PM
They are very close on the all-time list. I would take Pierce, though Drexler may currently be higher on the list.

Pierce will likely pass him over the next 3 years.

millwad
01-23-2012, 07:11 PM
Please dawg, Pierce has a great argument over Drexler. I am not sure if I would put Pierce over Drexler in my all-time list but I would definitely consider it.

You have terrible arguments..



Pierce was better and more reliable in the post-season and all the stats pretty much back that up. I think Pierce was more reliable because he was much better than Drexler in scoring in the halfcourt. Drexler was more athletic and the much better transition player than Pierce was but the game slows down in the playoffs so you have to rely on your halfcourt game more.

Oh, he was?
First of all, Clyde was in the playoffs 15 times (in 15 seasons), now compare that to Pierce 8 times. A more reliable scorer with lower FG% sounds great, doesn't it?

Drexler averaged 27 points per game on 50% shooting in '88, now go and find one of Pierce highest PPG seasons a la his '06 season when he averaged 26.8 ppg on 47% shooting. Peak Drexler scored just as much as Pierce.. but with better FG%..



Pierce was a pretty good all-around player himself. He was a pretty good defensive player, a really good rebounder, and a decent passer who could play point-forward if asked.

Not as all-round as Clyde and he was a worse passer then Clyde, no doubt and not a better rebounder either. Defensively I don't think he was neither better or worse.



Pierce was also far more important, better, and more instrumental in his '08 championship than Drexler was in his '95 championship. Neither of them were the best player on their championship teams but Pierce has a better case as the best player on the championship team than Drexler does. Paul Pierce did end up winning the finals MVP you know...

When was the last time Paul even made it to the playoffs without an all-star on his team? Clyde Drexler lead his team to the finals in 1992 WITHOUT any all-stars.

If peak Drexler could have a 20-10 guy who was top 3 in the MVP ranking and and a first all-defensive player and an all-star SG I have a hard time seeing him not being able to win a ring in his prime.. Just saying.. And lets not forget that Drexler was damn good in '95.




Paul Pierce was the most underrated player in the 2000s
Clyde Drexler was one of, if not the most overrated players in the 90s. It's between him and David Robinson.

No, Pierce wasn't one of the most underrated, at least not any longer. And haha, Clyde is absolutely not overrated and David Robinson? How the hell is Drob overrated? Everyone is clowning him because that one series against Hakeem. You are an idiot..:facepalm

crawdaddy4ou
01-23-2012, 08:45 PM
The Glide :rockon:

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 08:58 PM
Oh, he was?
First of all, Clyde was in the playoffs 15 times (in 15 seasons), now compare that to Pierce 8 times. A more reliable scorer with lower FG% sounds great, doesn't it?
Did you factor in what kind of teammates Drexler had and what kind of teammates Pierce had in his career? Pierce has played with some weak teammates and not only has he been able to carry them to the playoffs but he was able to carry them to the ECF ('01-'02 season).

Drexler had a very good supporting cast in Portland. Drexler wasn't even the closer on his very own team, Terry Porter was. There was never a doubt who the closer, best and most reliable scorer on the Celtics was, it was Paul Pierce.

Pierce's production and efficiency was much better than Drexler's in the post-season.


Drexler averaged 27 points per game on 50% shooting in '88, now go and find one of Pierce highest PPG seasons a la his '06 season when he averaged 26.8 ppg on 47% shooting. Peak Drexler scored just as much as Pierce.. but with better FG%..
FG%?? How about you compare their eFG%? their TS%? You know? Two shooting stats that are far better than FG%?

I'll do it....

Drexler's season best in TS% with the Blazers (a.k.a when he was #1 option) was 56.4% TS in the the '87-'88 season

Pierce's season best in TS% with the Celtics (a.k.a when he was #1 option) was 58.3% TS in the '04-'05 season.

Keep in mind that the TS% average was higher in Drexler's era than it was in Pierce's era. So the fact that Pierce had a higher TS% AND he did it in a era where it was tougher to do it in is saying something.

Now lets compare their eFG% when they were #1 options.

Drexler's two best seasons in eFG% were both 50.9% eFG

Pierce's two best season's eFG% were '01-'02 and '05-'06.

'01-'02 - 50.8% eFG
'05-'06 - 50.9% eFG

They are pretty much identical but Pierce's career eFG% (49.8%) beats Drexler's career eFG% (49.5%).

This pretty means Pierce was more aggressive, got to the line more often, took advantage of getting to the line, and took tougher and lower % shots such as 3 but made them at a decent rate to make it up.

Keep in mind that all I have listed so far is regular season production. If you want me to list post-season production I'll be gladly too but that would support Pierce's side, not Drexler's.


Not as all-round as Clyde and he was a worse passer then Clyde, no doubt and not a better rebounder either. Defensively I don't think he was neither better or worse.

Pierce was a little bit better defensively. Drexler may have been a better rebounder but it wasn't by much especially defensive rebounding. Drexler was clearly the better offensive rebounder though, Drexler was probably the best offensive rebounding wing player to ever play really. All the stats point to Drexler being the better rebounder and I can't really disagree with it even with my own eyes.



When was the last time Paul even made it to the playoffs without an all-star on his team? Clyde Drexler lead his team to the finals in 1992 WITHOUT any all-stars.
That's like saying Michael Jordan won a championship without any all-stars in '91 and in '98. Just because Pippen wasn't listed as an all-star doesn't mean he wasn't. Terry Porter for whatever reason was listed as an all-star in '92 but he was an all-star in '91 and '93. I think it is safe to call Porter an all-star. Not to mention Clyde's overall cast was pretty good anyways. They don't have to be all-stars but they can be very good role players.



If peak Drexler could have a 20-10 guy who was top 3 in the MVP ranking and and a first all-defensive player and an all-star SG I have a hard time seeing him not being able to win a ring in his prime.. Just saying.. And lets not forget that Drexler was damn good in '95.
What does this have to do with anything? All I said was Pierce was more instrumental to hi championship run for his team than Drexler was and that is pretty much a fact. It might be a testimonial to how good Hakeem was but Drexler's role wasn't as vital as Pierce's.




No, Pierce wasn't one of the most underrated, at least not any longer. And haha, Clyde is absolutely not overrated and David Robinson? How the hell is Drob overrated? Everyone is clowning him because that one series against Hakeem. You are an idiot..:facepalm
They are both overrated but that is just my opinion and many others. I have no problem picking Clyde over Pierce in the all-time list but Pierce has a good argument himself.

L.Kizzle
01-23-2012, 09:06 PM
Drexler, come on. Lol a Drex being one of the more overrated players of his era. He took his eam the the Finals twice. He played in an era that featured both MJs, Ewing, Dream, Robinson, Stockton & Malone, Barkley, Bird, Wilkins, Zeke and at times was considered better than over half of them. Pierce played with Shaq & Kobe, Duncan, Iverson, KG, Dirk, McGrady, Webber, VC and was never considered better than any of them. He was with Jermaine O'Neal and Ray Allen in that bunch.

BlackJoker23
01-23-2012, 09:09 PM
Drexler, come on. Lol a Drex being one of the more overrated players of his era. He took his eam the the Finals twice. He played in an era that featured both MJs, Ewing, Dream, Robinson, Stockton & Malone, Barkley, Bird, Wilkins, Zeke and at times was considered better than over half of them. Pierce played with Shaq & Kobe, Duncan, Iverson, KG, Dirk, McGrady, Webber, VC and was never considered better than any of them. He was with Jermaine O'Neal and Ray Allen in that bunch.
shut the fukk up fakkit

kNIOKAS
01-23-2012, 09:10 PM
Drexler, come on. Lol a Drex being one of the more overrated players of his era. He took his eam the the Finals twice. He played in an era that featured both MJs, Ewing, Dream, Robinson, Stockton & Malone, Barkley, Bird, Wilkins, Zeke and at times was considered better than over half of them. Pierce played with Shaq & Kobe, Duncan, Iverson, KG, Dirk, McGrady, Webber, VC and was never considered better than any of them. He was with Jermaine O'Neal and Ray Allen in that bunch.
you remind me of barkley with your consistent agenda on paul.

L.Kizzle
01-23-2012, 09:10 PM
shut the fukk up fakkit
Reveal yourself blackjoker?

L.Kizzle
01-23-2012, 09:11 PM
you remind me of barkley with your consistent agenda on paul.
What agenda?

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:15 PM
Is this a joke?

Drexler was regarded as the 2nd best SG behind Jordan in the late 1980's and early 1990's.

BlackJoker23
01-23-2012, 09:15 PM
Reveal yourself blackjoker?
will do so as soon as u do

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:21 PM
Pierce is not in the same level as Drexler. The early 1990's Blazers >> 2008-2010 Celtics. Drexler and the Blazers played againts the best player of all time, and early 1990's Bulls >>> late 1990's Bulls.

L.Kizzle
01-23-2012, 09:22 PM
will do so as soon as u do
I'm Pete'sMontrouex.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:24 PM
Drexler would not lead his team into the worst record in the NBA.

kNIOKAS
01-23-2012, 09:33 PM
Drexler would not lead his team into the worst record in the NBA.
...your point being?

Pierce is not in the same level as Drexler. The early 1990's Blazers >> 2008-2010 Celtics. Drexler and the Blazers played againts the best player of all time, and early 1990's Bulls >>> late 1990's Bulls.
troll alert

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:34 PM
...your point being?


Pierce only had 1 good playoffs run before the Celtics acquired KG and Allen.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:35 PM
...your point being?

troll alert

Drexler is a better finals performer than Pierce ( Blazers and his past his prime rockets days). He made it into the All NBA First team, and he was 2nd in the NBA MVP Voting. Pierce was never ranked as a top 5 player in his NBA Career.

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 09:36 PM
Drexler would not lead his team into the worst record in the NBA.
Pierce played in less than 50 games the year the Celtics had the worst record in the NBA.

Of course you love to forget about context.

Pierce had a great playoff run in '02 and in '05. Pierce was alright in '03 but he didn't have a good series in '04 because he went up against a peak Ron Artest.


Drexler is a better finals performer than Pierce ( Blazers and his past his prime rockets days). He made it into the All NBA First team, and he was 2nd in the NBA MVP Voting. Pierce was never ranked as a top 5 player in his NBA Career.
:facepalm That's why Pierce is the one with the Finals MVP right? Jeez, just stop posting, you don't have a slight clue of what you're talking about.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:38 PM
Pierce played in less than 50 games the year the Celtics had the worst record in the NBA.

Of course you love to forget about context.

Pierce had a great playoff run in '02 and in '05. Pierce was alright in '03 but he didn't have a good series in '04 because he went up against a peak Ron Artest.

Drexler was still the better regular season. playoffs, and Finals performer. Hakeem wouldn't win his 2nd NBA title without Clyde Drexler.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:39 PM
Pierce played in less than 50 games the year the Celtics had the worst record in the NBA.

Of course you love to forget about context.

Pierce had a great playoff run in '02 and in '05. Pierce was alright in '03 but he didn't have a good series in '04 because he went up against a peak Ron Artest.


:facepalm That's why Pierce is the one with the Finals MVP right? Jeez, just stop posting, you don't have a slight clue of what you're talking about.


His Finals stats are not even impressive. Jojo white also won an NBA Finals MVP. Garnett and the Celtics defense were the Real Finals MVP.

Please stop posting. Drexler is the Superior NBA player. He also won an NBA title in 1995 as a 2nd scoring option.

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 09:39 PM
Drexler was still the better regular season. playoffs, and Finals performer. Hakeem wouldn't win his 2nd NBA title without Clyde Drexler.
And Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen wouldn't have won any NBA titles without Paul Pierce.

Drexler is better in the playoffs and finals? Just shut up and stop posting in this thread because you literally know nothing.

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 09:41 PM
His Finals stats is not even impressive. Jojo white also won an NBA Finals MVP. Garnett and the Celtics defense were the Real Finals MVP.

Please stop posting. Drexler is the Superior NBA player. He also won an NBA title in 1995 as a 2nd scoring option.
:facepalm What was Paul Pierce? A 3rd option, a 4th option?

Pierce was the finals MVP while Drexler was never a Finals MVP. I'm not saying that is why Pierce is better or above Drexler, I am not even saying Pierce is above or better than Drexler. I am just saying Pierce is a better finals performer than Drexler and that is a fact. Go pull up the stats if you really want to prove me wrong.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:42 PM
And Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen wouldn't have won any NBA titles without Paul Pierce.

Drexler is better in the playoffs and finals? Just shut up and stop posting in this thread because you literally know nothing.


You literally know nothing. You stupid son of a b1tch. Drexler is the better player. Go watch some of his games. He's a better all around player than Paul Pierce. Garnett should have been the Finals MVP. Thank God the Lakers beat the Celtics in 2010. I don't want to see a guy who's averaging less than 20 ppg win his 2nd Finals MVP.

kNIOKAS
01-23-2012, 09:43 PM
Pierce only had 1 good playoffs run before the Celtics acquired KG and Allen.
incorrect. he has numerous performances in those years, and always has been a star player on his team. responsible for the greatest playoff comeback (until comeback in finals against lakers) and so on. like kblaze once put, nobody cared what was happening in the eastern conference because blazers were playing lakers on the west. and it was actually his best argument. and that's why the types of you have pierce flying under the radar. nuff said

now your other post:
A it wasn't worst record in the league, so get your facts straight
B what stateofmind said
Pierce played in less than 50 games the year the Celtics had the worst record in the NBA.

:sleeping

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 09:45 PM
You literally know nothing. You stupid son of a b1tch. Drexler is the better player. Go watch some of his games. He's a better all around player than Paul Pierce. Garnett should have been the Finals MVP. Thank God the Lakers beat the Celtics in 2010. I don't want to see a guy who's averaging less than 20 ppg win his 2nd Finals MVP.
Thanks for proving absolutely nothing other than the fact that you are some sensitive Lebron fan like the rest of the other Lebron fans.

LOL at Kevin Garnett should have been the Finals MVP in 2008, GTFO.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:46 PM
Thanks for proving absolutely nothing other than the fact that you are some sensitive Lebron fan like the rest of the other Lebron fans.

LOL at Kevin Garnett should have been the Finals MVP in 2008, GTFO.


Who anchored the Celtics defense in the NBA Finals?

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 09:47 PM
Who anchored the Celtics defense in the NBA Finals?
The same player who shot like 40% in that series and was the 3rd or 4th leading scoring in that series, that's who anchored the Celtics defense in the NBA finals.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:49 PM
Garnett, Allen, Pierce Finals stats

Garnett

18 ppg on 43 FG%, 13 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.7 spg, 1.0 bpg

Pierce

21.3 ppg on 43.2 FG%, 4.5 apg, 6.3 rpg, 1.2 spg, 0.3 bpg

Allen

20.3 ppg on 51 FG%, 5.0 apg, 2.5 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg




The same player who shot like 40% in that series and was the 3rd or 4th leading scoring in that series, that's who anchored the Celtics defense in the NBA finals.

Pierce also shot 43% from the field. F*ckkkkkkkkkkkkk. KG got screwedddddddddd. He should have added that Finals MVP to his resume, and join the MVP-Defensive Player of the year, and Finals MVP Club.

Heavincent
01-23-2012, 09:51 PM
I don't want to see a guy who's averaging less than 20 ppg win his 2nd Finals MVP.

Because you know, that's two more than Lebron.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 09:53 PM
Because you know, that's two more than Lebron.

LeBron is gonna win an NBA Finals MVP before he retires in the NBA. This aint' an LBJ Thread. Get the F*ck out of here. RG please posts Drexler Finals stats from 1990, 1992 and 1995.

L.Kizzle
01-23-2012, 09:54 PM
We all know PP won the Finals MVP cuz it was his team. Trust, if PP and KG had joined Ray Allen, he would have won the award.

Heavincent
01-23-2012, 09:55 PM
LeBron is gonna win an NBA Finals MVP before he retires in the NBA.

Yeah, right.

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 09:56 PM
We all know PP won the Finals MVP cuz it was his team. Trust, if PP and KG had joined Ray Allen, he would have won the award.
Actually it is more like if Pierce didn't have that wheelchair performance in Game 1, didn't lead his team in scoring in the Finals, and didn't play the best perimeter defense out of all the Celtics he wouldn't have won the Finals MVP.

There was a numerous of factors on why Pierce won the Finals MVP. The Finals MVP was between Pierce and Allen though but I can't really disagree with Pierce winning it. I would understand the decision to give it to Ray Allen though.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 10:03 PM
Drexler Finals stats.


1995 NBA Finals ( Rockets beat the Magic, 4-0)

21.5 ppg on 45 FG%, 9.5 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.3 bpg


1992 NBA Finals (Bulls beat the Blazers, 4-2)

24.8 ppg on 40.7 FG%, 7.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.0 bpg) vs. ( One of the best perimeter defensive team in history)

1990 NBA Finals (Pistons beat the Blazers, 4-1

26.4 ppg on 54.3 FG%, 7.8 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.2 bpg vs. Bad boy Pistons.


Some of these games are available on youtube. Watch it. Drexler >>> Pierce. ( eye test, stats, and ask some NBA legends on twitter.

https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson

https://twitter.com/ScottiePippen

https://twitter.com/#!/shaq

Drexler played againts Pippen, Shaq and Magic's team in the playoffs. Clyde is a top 50 player of all time while Pierce is a borderline top 65.

Kevin_Gamble
01-23-2012, 10:10 PM
I like Pierce but Clyde always did look distinguished with his classy moustache and balding head.

StateOfMind12
01-23-2012, 10:10 PM
Drexler played againts Pippen, Shaq and Magic's team in the playoffs. Clyde is a top 50 player of all time while Pierce is a borderline top 65.
:oldlol: Now go ahead and list those 65 players and find some people that believe that.

I can guarantee you that me and everyone else will laugh by 40.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 10:12 PM
I admit that Drexler was a little bit overrated as a player during his prime, but he's now one of the most underrated players in the 2010's.

L.Kizzle
01-23-2012, 10:19 PM
:oldlol: Now go ahead and list those 65 players and find some people that believe that.

I can guarantee you that me and everyone else will laugh by 40.
65 is about right, hell SLAM has him at 79 I believe.

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 10:20 PM
65 players better than Paul Pierce ( not in particular order)

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Bill Russell
4. Shaquille O’Neal
5. Oscar Robertson
6. Magic Johnson
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
8. Tim Duncan
9. Larry Bird
10. Kobe Bryant
11. Jerry West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Hakeem Olajuwon
14. Bob Petit
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. John Havlicek
18. Karl Malone
19. Isiah Thomas
20. Charles Barkley
21. Rick Barry
22. John Stockton
23. Elvin Hayes
24. Bob Cousy
25. David Robinson
26. Kevin McHale
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Jason Kidd
29. George Mikan
30. Kevin Garnett
31. LeBron James
32. Willis Reed
33. Wes Unseld
34. Nate Thurmond
35. Dolph Schayes
36. Walt Frazier
37. Patrick Ewing
38. Jerry Lucas
39. Gary Payton
40. Allen Iverson
41. Billy Cunningham
42. Clyde Drexler
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Dave Cowens
45. George Gervin
46. Bob McAdoo
47. Earl Monroe
48. Dwight Howard
49. Dwyane Wade
50. Steve Nash
51. Walt Bellamy
52. Tiny Archibald
53. Dennis Johnson
54. Reggie Miller
55. Dirk Nowitzki
56. Connie Hawkins
57. Dave Bing
58. James Worthy
59. Hal Greer
60. Bill Walton
61. Jack Twyman
62. Bob Lanier
63. Jerry Lucas
64. Joe Fulks
65. Sam Jones

millwad
01-23-2012, 11:08 PM
Drexler Finals stats.


1995 NBA Finals ( Rockets beat the Magic, 4-0)

21.5 ppg on 45 FG%, 9.5 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.3 bpg


1992 NBA Finals (Bulls beat the Blazers, 4-2)

24.8 ppg on 40.7 FG%, 7.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.0 bpg) vs. ( One of the best perimeter defensive team in history)

1990 NBA Finals (Pistons beat the Blazers, 4-1

26.4 ppg on 54.3 FG%, 7.8 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.2 bpg vs. Bad boy Pistons.


Some of these games are available on youtube. Watch it. Drexler >>> Pierce. ( eye test, stats, and ask some NBA legends on twitter.

https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson

https://twitter.com/ScottiePippen

https://twitter.com/#!/shaq

Drexler played againts Pippen, Shaq and Magic's team in the playoffs. Clyde is a top 50 player of all time while Pierce is a borderline top 65.

REPPED!

Pure ownage, was just about to post Drexler's stats from '95. Even a Drexler who wasn't on the all-star team that year and who wasn't athis peak by that time easily had better stats then what Pierce had in his FINALS MVP performance.. HAHA..

It takes an idiot to say that Pierce was greater in the finals..:facepalm

Oh, and now when we're at it, lets post Paul Pierce's stats from 2010 finals.. Remember, this is the guy who supposedly was a better finals performer then Drexler;

Paul Pierce in 2010 finals; 18 points, 5.3 rebounds, 3 assists and he made 43% of his FG attempts..

Drexler>Pierce..

Lebron23
01-23-2012, 11:11 PM
REPPED!

Pure ownage, was just about to post Drexler's stats from '95. Even a Drexler who wasn't on the all-star team that year and who wasn't athis peak by that time easily had better stats then what Pierce had in his FINALS MVP performance.. HAHA..

It takes an idiot to say that Pierce was greater in the finals..:facepalm

Oh, and now when we're at it, lets post Paul Pierce's stats from 2010 finals.. Remember, this is the guy who supposedly was a better finals performer then Drexler;

Paul Pierce in 2010 finals; 18 points, 5.3 rebounds, 3 assists and he made 43% of his FG attempts..

Drexler>Pierce..


Repped

:applause: :applause: :applause:

bizil
01-23-2012, 11:58 PM
On the low PP has a great case as a top 10 GOAT SF:

Bird
Dr. J
Hondo
Lebron
Barry
Baylor
Nique
Pippen

I think these eight are locks in the GOAT SF's. But for the last two spots u got these guys up for consideration:

Pierce
Worthy
English
Dantley
King

Pierce's resume looks like this:

22.1 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 3.8 APG for career
21,605 career points
NBA Title
4 time All NBA
9 time All Star
NBA Finals MVP

And PP proved he's an alpha dog and was arguably the 2nd greatest (in terms of numbers, solo accolades, team accolades )SF of the 2000s. So I would take Clyde over PP. But Pierce is a Celtic icon, future HOFer, and a top 10 GOAT SF.

Boston C's
01-24-2012, 01:18 AM
I love pierce but I just dont see the arguement to put him over the glide

bizil
01-24-2012, 01:30 AM
Drexler at one time was considered as high as the 3rd GOAT SG of all time. It wasn't till Kobe came around that Drexler dropped. Wade could pass him by over time (and arguably has), but I still have Clyde as the 4th GOAT SG of all time. Drexler also deserves credit for his longevity as a great player. In his last year he averaged 18.4 points while splitting the pie with Hakeem and Barkley. He was still among the best SG's in the L and still hadn't slipped a huge amount athletically.

I think people look at Clyde and talk about how he dribbled with his head down or had a weird jumper. But the bottom line is results, and Drexler got those in spades. And in terms of his floor game, only a minute few at the SG can touch it. Clyde was a great, great player. So great that if MJ wasn't around, he would have been THE GUY credited for revolutionizing the SG spot. I feel MJ and Clyde were the ones to bring the combo of SF size and that freakish SF athletic ability (like Doc, Baylor, and Hawkins before them) to the SG spot. Thompson deserves the props for being the first freakish athlete alpha dog type at SG. But MJ and Clyde were the size of the SF's.

Lebron23
12-27-2021, 12:32 PM
Give me Paul Pierce

nineiron
12-27-2021, 02:38 PM
90% of ppl are saying Clyde. Further proof that this cupcake era doesn’t compare to the MJ era

ShawkFactory
12-27-2021, 02:44 PM
90% of ppl are saying Clyde. Further proof that this cupcake era doesn’t compare to the MJ era

What? Paul Pierce's era is exactly the same as Kobe's.

nineiron
12-27-2021, 03:45 PM
What? Paul Pierce's era is exactly the same as Kobe's.

who's Kobe?

ShawkFactory
12-27-2021, 04:31 PM
who's Kobe?

A guy some tend to consider one of the best players ever. But now that we know he played in a cupcake era then I’m not so sure..

nineiron
12-27-2021, 05:28 PM
A guy some tend to consider one of the best players ever. But now that we know he played in a cupcake era then I’m not so sure..

So he’s the same as Lebron?

ShawkFactory
12-27-2021, 05:44 PM
So he’s the same as Lebron?

Shit, now that I think about it...if PP's era was a cupcake one then you'd have to eliminate Duncan, KG, Dirk, Wade, and TMac from any sort of all time talks too.

Ray Allen? Anyone could shoot like that in his era.

L.Kizzle
12-27-2021, 08:29 PM
Pierce was also far more important, better, and more instrumental in his '08 championship than Drexler was in his '95 championship. Neither of them were the best player on their championship teams but Pierce has a better case as the best player on the championship team than Drexler does. Paul Pierce did end up winning the finals MVP you know...


Paul Pierce was the most underrated player in the 2000s
Clyde Drexler was one of, if not the most overrated players in the 90s. It's between him and David Robinson
False ... Rockets are not getting past the first round this time if they kept Otis Thorpe. Clyde had a few 40 point games in that 95 playoff run.