What If the Charlotte Hornets never traded Kobe Bryant?

[Lebron23]

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How many Championships would the Hornets have won if Kobe played for this team?

Kobe is going to be the starting shooting guard in his Rookie Season. Hornets starting lineup in the 1996-1997 NBA Season.


C- Matt Geiger
F- Anthony Mason
F- Glenn Rice/Ricky Pierce
G- Kobe Bryant/Dell Curry
G- Muggsy Bogues

Coach: Dave Cowens

[Jasper]

In that era Roster ,The charlotte mamba's would be carried by Muggyse B.

*Seriously I wish a trade wouldn't of happened..... but force is , is force happened.

[Lebron23]

In Alphawolf24 and Ne1 words. Kobe is gonna be a Afro Headed Dominique Wilkins. Kobe might win multiple scoring titles, and probably at least 1 MVP Award if the Hornets have a great regular season record in his prime. He'll probably sign with a big market team once his rookie contract expires. (Bulls, Lakers, Knicks, Magic take your pick). No chance in hell that Kobe is capable of leading the 1990's and early 2000's Hornets into an NBA title without a dominant PF/C/Phil Jackson.

[YAWN]

Don't think the Hornets would have drafted him if they didn't already have the trade to LA in place. He was too big of a risk for #13.

[donald_trump]

thats impossible. kobe whined and moaned saying he wouldnt play for anyone but the lakers forcing a trade.

[32Dayz]

Inferior version of Tracy Mcgrady with better longevity.

Zero Rings with a slight chance at 1MVP.

Kobe has only been the best player on his own team for 1/5 Chips. (2009)

Without having Prime Shaq to ride on and then Prime Gasol + Stacked team the Kobrick isn't winning anything outside of perhaps a few scoring titles.

[StroShow4]

Kobe is probably another great player without any titles.

[LBJMVP]

what if my aunt had a dick?






she'd be my uncle.

[Lebron23]

Don't think the Hornets would have drafted him if they didn't already have the trade to LA in place. He was too big of a risk for #13.


He was already one of the best HS players during his time. Kobe is still going to be a lottery pick. He'll probably end up playing for the Bulls or the Lakers if things do not work out in Charlotte.

[magnax1]

what if my aunt had a dick?






she'd be my uncle.
She might still be your aunt depending on your uncles sexual preference.

[N0Skillz]

If Kobe had that team he'd average 40/10/10 and win atleast 9. Now he has to play with "Derek Fisher"

[LBJMVP]

She might still be your aunt depending on your uncles sexual preference.


if two gay dudes get married they are both your uncle

[devin112]

What if the OP only made relevant threads?


This thread wouldn't exist.

[Lebron23]

What if the OP only made relevant threads?


This thread wouldn't exist.

What if you become a good poster, and starts to contribute in this thread?

This is actually a good discussion. I don't have any agenda. I just want to see how Kobe would perform if he had become the Hornets franchise player as an 18 yrs.old Rookie.

[Joshumitsu]

T-Mac route. Scoring titles, MVP votes, All NBA teams, and multiple 1st round exits.

He wouldn't be as hated of a player but he also won't get as much publicity as he would in a huge market like LA.

Eventually, in the advent of these superteams, someone would eventually join him or he leaves for....LA....to play with CP3 and Blake Griffin.

[The_Yearning]

if two gay dudes get married they are both your uncle

You'd would know

[Lebron23]

T-Mac route. Scoring titles, MVP votes, All NBA teams, and multiple 1st round exits.

He wouldn't be as hated of a player but he also won't get as much publicity as he would in a huge market like LA.

Eventually, in the advent of these superteams, someone would eventually join him or he leaves for....LA....to play with CP3 and Blake Griffin.


Good Answer. Repped


Kobe is probably another great player without any titles.

Its highly probable.

[vinsane01]

To Kobe's credit he was far more durable than tmac... However i dont think he wouldve stayed that long in Charlotte. When and to which team he wouldve signed or been traded for will most likely determine where his career wouldve gone.

[Jasper]

Many Laker fans would be Hornet fans now :cletus:

[32Dayz]

To Kobe's credit he was far more durable than tmac... However i dont think he wouldve stayed that long in Charlotte. When and to which team he wouldve signed or been traded for will most likely determine where his career wouldve gone.

True but Kobe from 00-05 wasn't as good as TMac.

To Kobe's credit he is the better player due to longevity
(Kobe >>> TMac from 06-12) and if he eventually got traded to a team with stacked talent he might end up winning a Ring or two.

Still its very likely he just ends up winning nothing and would go down on GOAT lists only marginally (maybe 5-15 spots) higher then TMac due to longevity.

[Lebron23]

thats impossible. kobe whined and moaned saying he wouldnt play for anyone but the lakers forcing a trade.

http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/anthony-mason.jpg

Do you have any problems Mr. Bryant? Anthony Mason would baby sit Kobe Bryant.

[LBJMVP]

You'd would know


hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahha good one

one of the most funniest joke i've ever heard.

best thing since " atleast i gotta momma and not two daddies."

[StroShow4]

However i dont think he wouldve stayed that long in Charlotte. When and to which team he wouldve signed or been traded for will most likely determine where his career wouldve gone.

This is a good point. I suppose he very well may have won a few titles, but not with the Hornets. He would've tried to do so elsewhere.

[outbreak]

Scoring titles and the like but could see him developing attitude problems like Iverson in a place like charlotte. Trying to take over team, big head, fits when things aren't his way.

[BlackJoker23]

7x mvp if stays with charlotte. 6 rings if he wants to leave

[nbacardDOTnet]

As usual, just lebron bandwagoner lebron23 knows nothing about NBA history.

Even before draft, every teams have already known KB wanted to play @ Big market.

For example, Nets picked Kerry Kittles. Why they didn't pick KB ? Kittles was better than KB ? No. 1990's Nets was really bad team after dying of Drazen.
(Nets traded Kenny Anderson and Derrick Coleman, too)

I like "what if" kinds but this guy's "what if" is always nonsense like lebron james ' not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7.

[devin112]

What if you become a good poster, and starts to contribute in this thread?

This is actually a good discussion. I don't have any agenda. I just want to see how Kobe would perform if he had become the Hornets franchise player as an 18 yrs.old Rookie.

Okay, let me start being a good poster and pose my own "what if" posts about stuff that happened 16 years ago and has no relation to anything today... lol, that's a good post?

[DKLaker]

This was probably the biggest impact trade in NBA history, not only for the fact that Kobe accomplished all that he has.......but for the fact that if he was in Charlotte the team wouldn't have moved......that is HUGE!!!!!

[L8kersfan222]

. Kobe is gonna be a Afro Headed Dominique Wilkins.
:oldlol:

[CLTHornets4eva]

thats impossible. kobe whined and moaned saying he wouldnt play for anyone but the lakers forcing a trade.

That is not true. He was drafted by the Hornets on behalf of the Lakers. He has publicly stated that he would have played for the Hornets if Charlotte had drafted him. I would love to think that the city would have built a new arena for Shinn, BUT I wish the league would have just made Shinn buy a new team and keep the Hornets in CLT rather than promising the 'Cats.

Sorry for the mindless rant...

[talkingconch]

Inferior version of Tracy Mcgrady with better longevity.

Zero Rings with a slight chance at 1MVP.

Kobe has only been the best player on his own team for 1/5 Chips. (2009)

Without having Prime Shaq to ride on and then Prime Gasol + Stacked team the Kobrick isn't winning anything outside of perhaps a few scoring titles.
Not sure if you just started watching basketball yesterday or what but this guy Kobe bryant likes to win.

would've demanded a trade sooner or later to a better team or recruited better players

[PHXKid]

If Kobe had decided to sign an extension in Charlotte in this situation, like he did with the Lakers early in his career, he and Baron Davis would have played together for a while and would have done some serious work :rockon:

[Joshumitsu]

Oh and btw, Tim Duncan would have 6 rings.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Multiple MVPs.

Not sure about rings; would greatly depend if they eventually add valuable pieces.

[32Dayz]

Multiple MVPs.

Not sure about rings; would greatly depend if they eventually add valuable pieces.


Eh I doubt he'd end up with more MVP's then he has currently.

He is not gonna win any from 97-04 not while Shaq/Duncan and KG are all in their primes or Peaking. After 05 he had his own team anyway so its not like he would be in a different situation then his current career.

He ends up with 1MVP and perhaps more scoring titles but even that is not a given.

[32Dayz]

Not sure if you just started watching basketball yesterday or what but this guy Kobe bryant likes to win.

would've demanded a trade sooner or later to a better team or recruited better players

You might be right.
If he eventually got traded or signed with a good team he could end up winning but still that is not a given just a maybe.

He lost in 08 despite having a good team and could have easily lost in 2010 also if not for a bunch of things going his way.

[monkeypox]

If the trade never happened then the Hornets would have traded the pick to someone else since they were shopping it aggressively in exchange for a big. If they didn't trade the pick they probably would have drafted someone other than Kobe, since the only teams interested at the time were the Lakers and supposedly the Nets. The Hornets didn't even know who they were drafting till the Lakers told them. The Lakers were after Kobe so I'd assume if the Hornets trade didn't happen they would have tried to make a different trade elsewhere to get him. If the Lakers didn't make the guarantee to Kobe, that they'd draft him at 13 if he were still available, then I assume Kobe would have worked out with more teams, and may have gone higher.

[Cali Syndicate]

Not in agreement with the handful of MVP's people are saying here. If he's winning MVP's, his team must be good enough where they are at least winning ~55 games or finishing with the top record in the league and if that's the case rings wouldn't be out of the question. But I doubt that happens more than once or twice. Kobe in his prime was sick though...02,03,06,07,08 (kinda fell off in 04 and 05 with all the trials and tribulations). Chucking or not, dude plays with fire. Hard to bet against a guy who plays that hard.

Statistically he might be better. And knowing the type of player he is it's feasible that he wins maybe 2 MVP's or so and a championship wouldn't be entirely out of the question.

However....

I doubt a Kobe led Hornets squad is getting any lottery picks but if history followed suit...

Kobe, Baron and Mashburn would have been sick.

[Lebron23]

Zero rings/Finals MVP, but multiple conference finals appearance. Even if he would have play with a young Baron Davis that team ain't winning an NBA title without a 20/10 big man.

at least 2 NBA MVP and 4x NBA scoring champion like AI.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

If he stayed with them their entire career he may have won one title if they gave him the best Frontcourt in the league like he had during all his title runs.
knowing the frontrunner this guy is doe, i think he would have left after his rookie contract and went to the place with the best Frontcourt at the time. could see him going to Detroit or something and win 1 or 2 titles in his 17 year career. also one MVP and multiple scoring titles with under 44% FG.
basically the same as on the Lakers if he wouldnt have been gifted Shaq:coleman:

[Bandito]

If he stayed with them their entire career he may have won one title if they gave him the best Frontcourt in the league like he had during all his title runs.
knowing the frontrunner this guy is doe, i think he would have left after his rookie contract and went to the place with the best Frontcourt at the time. could see him going to Detroit or something and win 1 or 2 titles in his 17 year career. also one MVP and multiple scoring titles with under 44% FG.
basically the same as on the Lakers if he wouldnt have been gifted Shaq:coleman:
You're another pauk:facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You're another pauk:facepalm
try to argue against me tho. oh wait dont do it, i cant take any more of dat kobetard logic:no:

[Scal]

That is not true. He was drafted by the Hornets on behalf of the Lakers. He has publicly stated that he would have played for the Hornets if Charlotte had drafted him. I would love to think that the city would have built a new arena for Shinn, BUT I wish the league would have just made Shinn buy a new team and keep the Hornets in CLT rather than promising the 'Cats.

Sorry for the mindless rant...

I would rep if I could. The whole deal was set out prior to the drafting as long as Bryant was still on the board. Divac was a very serviceable C so it was a good trade (at the time, retrospect is a...), as the Lakers had just acquired Shaq. Credit to Jerry West. I must admit too, at the time he moved Eddie Jones, I thought it was a mistake. Not that Kobe didn't have obvious skill and potential, but I liked Jones' game.

[Lebron23]

I would rep if I could. The whole deal was set out prior to the drafting as long as Bryant was still on the board. Divac was a very serviceable C so it was a good trade (at the time, retrospect is a...), as the Lakers had just acquired Shaq. Credit to Jerry West. I must admit too, at the time he moved Eddie Jones, I thought it was a mistake. Not that Kobe didn't have obvious skill and potential, but I liked Jones' game.

Jones was also 7 years older than Kobe.

[cos88]

out of the league in 3 years.

are we going to act like if shaq and phil didn't make kobe ?

[Lebron23]

out of the league in 3 years.

are we going to act like if shaq and phil didn't make kobe ?


Kobe was the best hs player in philly since Prime wilt. I think Kobe without Shaq and Jackson = 6'6" afro headed Allen Iverson.

[ImKobe]

He would probably still end up in LA and he still potentially wins 2-3 rings with Shaq. Let's not act like Phil gave Kobe everything. He was already averaging 20 5 and 4 on 46% shooting in his 3rd season at 20 years old, before Phil even came to the Lakers.

[IncarceratedBob]

He would be similar to Lebron in Cleveland. Alot of stats, no rings

[Lebron23]

He would be similar to Lebron in Cleveland. Alot of stats, no rings

Yeah

[Artillery]

The Hornets had no choice in the matter. Kobe forced a trade to LA.

[Lebron23]

More mvp's probably no championship

[Jasper]

probably head down to Miami to head up a top tier threesome...... hotel manager, and maid

Before Bron got in.