Mike D'Antoni deserves to be fired....

[niko]

You've never seen me call for him before, but this is pretty ridiculous. He is a one trick pony. He wants his teams to play in one style, one way, a way that requires an elite point guard. He has no plan B.

Jeff Van Gundy, a coach who is absloutely lost on times at running offense for his team, lost practically his whole team player by player in 1999 with the Knicks, and transformed us on the fly from a plodding defensive team to a running pressing team that played small ball and isolation for its (literally) two scorers. On the fly in a matter of days changed our focus.

MIke D'Antoni not only can't but won't change our offense. We play offense to set up three pointers even though we haven't shot well all year. WIth the compact schedule, it makes sense that shooting legs will be tired. We have been better going inside all year. Yet we spend a ridiculous amount of time setting up three point shots. That we miss. Over and over.

He wants Melo to basically be another cog in the offense. Amare too. Amare for the first few games was being used as a ****ing stretch 4. I mean WTF.

He also runs our bigs into the ground. Amare has bad knees that need rest, and he gets put out there for more minutes than almost anyone.

Chandler is asked to switch on defense to outside ad naseum. TO THE GUARDS. TYSON CHANDLER.

He doesn't commit people to rebound, he insists people sneak out to start the offense.

Shall i go on?

Our offensive guru can't design an offense that works better with his current team. If we walked the ball up and played very basic offense, iso, pick and roll, without all this motion nonsense he believes in, played basic man to man without switching all the time, we'd be better than the way he has set everything up.

I'm tired. We should not be this bad. People have decided to scapegoat Melo but that's not fair, this is not a team that shold be winning 1 of 3 games.

**** D'antoni for what essentially is going to be wasting a season.

[Scoooter]

Elite point guard is an overstatement. Mildy competent point guard would be an uprgrade.

[niko]

Elite point guard is an overstatement. Mildy competent point guard would be an uprgrade.
FOr his offense to run very well it requires Nash. Felton it ran ok but at times still bogged down. We scored a lot because we played fast and had a ton of possession but we were no efficient like Phoenix was. Phoenix wore you down because they scored so efficiently, you could not keep up. You'd play with them, they shot better than you, and you'd blink and be down 10. Us, we'd be up 10, then you, then us. That's not the point. Anyone can do that, just run up and down and jack shots. You'll score a lot, you'll lose a lot.

[Scoooter]

Eh, the team is just awful. I don't really care what they do, they won't win anything of significance with Dolan overseeing operations. Let Mike Woodson coach team. Hell, let Spike coach it. There's no quick fix here.

[niko]

Eh, the team is just awful. I don't really care what they do, they won't win anything of significance with Dolan overseeing operations. Let Mike Woodson coach team. Hell, let Spike coach it. There's no quick fix here.
There really is though. They are not this bad talentwise. This is a team Jeff Van Gundy would love. They are a team that literally needs to walk it up, give it to Melo, run basic offense, get a decent PG, do pick n rolls with Amare, reduce the number of possessions, smack Schumbert in the face anytime he pulls up for a jumper, smack Fields anytime he stands around looking terrified. They are a team built to stand, jump for rebounds, get into slow mucky games where jumpers are not taken 75% of the time and where you run only off opportunity, not necessity.

If our coach was not named D'Antoni and you looked at our roster and asked me what offense to run, and i said "RUN UP AND DOWN AND JACK THREES" you'd call me retarted. YET, that's what we do over and over.

We have no discernable PG, a HUGE frontcourt. Our backcourt defends better than anything else. and we play like we do.

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[Scoooter]

There really is though. They are not this bad talentwise. This is a team Jeff Van Gundy would love. They are a team that literally needs to walk it up, give it to Melo, run basic offense, get a decent PG, do pick n rolls with Amare, reduce the number of possessions, smack Schumbert in the face anytime he pulls up for a jumper, smack Fields anytime he stands around looking terrified. They are a team built to stand, jump for rebounds, get into slow mucky games where jumpers are not taken 75% of the time and where you run only off opportunity, not necessity.

If our coach was not named D'Antoni and you looked at our roster and asked me what offense to run, and i said "RUN UP AND DOWN AND JACK THREES" you'd call me retarted. YET, that's what we do over and over.
Stopped reading right there. They've been doing that all season, and it's awful. Actually, that is one of the major adjustments D'Antoni's made, but Melo obviously isn't up to the task of running an offense. If they could figure out the pick and roll - with anyone - the whole offense would be better. And that's obviously what D'Antoni wants them to do, there just aren't any decent guards on the roster. Chandler and STAT set the pick and roll all the time, and never get the pass. The Knicks are missing out on, like, 10-12 shots at the rim every game because of befuddling awful point guard play. Are you telling me that Steve Nash is the only point guard in the league that can run the pick and role?

[Rekindled]

ive been saying this for 2 years

[Sarcastic]

He should be coaching college. Hopefully once his stint in the NBA is done, he will never get another job in the NBA. Absolute worst coach I have ever seen. Completely out of touch with his players. Commands no respect. Has no idea how to manage the time. It's an absolute joke.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

diary of a knicks fan :roll:

[bagelred]

It's not just D'Antoni, although he's not helping at all.......the team just has lots and lots of problems......

our two stars don't mesh well together......Melo just isn't as good as people want him to be and we gave up our entire roster to get him.......Amare is being forced to go iso and that doesn't work

Tyson and Amare are not a good 4/5 combo, cause no one stretches the floor.

We have no PG really at all, we're relying on a rookie as our PG.

The team doesn't shoot well, yet we're MDA runs an offense that demands shooters.

The team switches on defense all the time for no reason

The roster is paper thin deep.

It's just not a good team.........just because you throw out the names Melo, Amare, and Chandler doesn't mean instant success........just a mismatched bunch of psuedo-stars, and no complementary help.

Will Baron help? I think so actually. But he's no savior. And a better coach could help. But I think this roster is just fatally flawed in the end.

[iDunk]

He deserves to be crucified, not fired.

[Whoah10115]

The worst coach you've ever seen means you sound like a New York Knicks fan.



To the OP, I feel you, but not completely. He does likely need to go tho, but he doesn't deserve that much blame. He really does not.

[Sarcastic]

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[Burgz]

let's be honest, Dolan is the REAL problem, d'antoni is just a puppet

Melo is a blackhole

Amare is either playing through more pain than we realize or extremely lazy

the rest of the team has been forced through the soap opera that surrounded Melo and continues to surround him

this team is mismanaged from the top-down let's just face it

[v1ncelis]

Yeah but I don't see that happening. :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

let's be honest, Dolan is the REAL problem, d'antoni is just a puppet

Melo is a blackhole

Amare is either playing through more pain than we realize or extremely lazy

the rest of the team has been forced through the soap opera that surrounded Melo and continues to surround him

this team is mismanaged from the top-down let's just face it

Melo is blackhole, but somehow he found a way to play with Allen Iverson, and they both got their points/shots. Now all the sudden Amar'e is just too hard to play with?

Come on man. This is on the coach.

[Burgz]

Melo is blackhole, but somehow he found a way to play with Allen Iverson, and they both got their points/shots. Now all the sudden Amar'e is just too hard to play with?

Come on man. This is on the coach.

they would have been loaded with talent had they not done the trade a the time they did

Melo wouldnt have accepted less than the pre-lockout max deal so that may be irrelevant, but at the end of the day someone had to leave Denver, no?

I didin't say D'Antoni was not the problem right now, but he isnt the main problem, not by a long shot

[Blue&Orange]

took me so long to make this post,
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6797744&postcount=131

that meanwhile a more fitting thread was created :oldlol:




So after this game, the Knicks with Melo, Amare and Chandler in the weak east, with a cakewak schedule will be 7-11 thanks to the bobcats... because if it weren't for them Knicks would be 5-13.

Pringles :bowdown:

03/04 - Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Stat, Marbury, Anfernee Hardway, McDyess, no Steve Nash.. 1st round exit, 4-1 Wolves.

04/05 - Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Stat, Nash, Quentin R., Barbosa... can a coach ask for a better 6 man rotation? Lost 4-2 to Dallas (Dirk, Finley, Terry, Josh Howard, Stackhouse, Marquis Daniels) :applause:

05/06 - Same team minus injured Amare, barely wins against a even crappier Lakers team, barely win against the clippers, lol, and loses to the Mavs.

06/07 - Diaw, Marion, Stat, Nash, Raja Bell, Barbosa, loses to 4-2 to Spurs
(Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, James White, Michael Finley) :applause:

Is this really used as proof of how D'Antoni is a good coach :lol

D'Antoni is a 9 years NBA coach that have done absolutely nothing relevant other than bullshit coaching, he achieved with the Suns the absolute minimal he could have achieved with the quality of players he had, and from day one he have been absolutely atrocious with the Knicks.

I can believe how good Knicks made the Bulls be, with Curry and D'Antoni.

[32Dayz]

Melo is blackhole, but somehow he found a way to play with Allen Iverson, and they both got their points/shots. Now all the sudden Amar'e is just too hard to play with?

Come on man. This is on the coach.

Iverson was a really good passer though and was better at creating for other then Amare is.

[32Dayz]

They need to play more run and gun like the suns used to be.

They have a very quick C/PF combo in Amare/Chandler and the rest of the team is above average in terms of athletism.

They also need an offense that uses alot of PnR's with Amare/Melo and has better ball movement.

Right now the offense is just ISO's or street ball s*** 90% of the time. :facepalm

I am starting to think Nash was the real coach of those PHX teams...

[CHi1PriDe]

How bout posting this in the knick's subforum? Seems likes everytime the knicks play I see a thread about D'Antoni :facepalm

[knickswin]

Mike has not been exceptional, but people don't understand how bad this roster is. there's nothing to build around. amare and carmelo and tyson are a really bad fit. combine that with how bad our guard play, and it's a disaster.

this is what i've been saying about amare stoudemire: he does not break down a defense by himself. he does it via the pick and roll, but this roster can't give him that between the lack of a point guard and tyson, so he's useless.

this is the problem:
--we have no one to provide penetration other than carmelo
--we have no one to provide post play other than carmelo
--we have bad shooters
--we do not have exceptional defenders
--we have no point guard to provide ball protection, clock control, and tempo control

[Reverend Hoops]

Is Mike D coaching this team? This is the slowest D Antoni team i've seen. And the worse defensively.... not a good combination.

[32Dayz]

Is Mike D coaching this team?

Nope... he just sits on the bench and facepalms himself.
Not even kidding... :facepalm
:lol

[32Dayz]

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[niko]

Yes he is the main problem. he really is. I get the Knicks are not a perfect fit but somehow other teams function without everything fitting perfectly. D'Antoni has shown NO ability to adjust to his personnel. Not during games, not before games, not after games. For someone labeled a offensive genius he doesn't seem to be very creative It's plan A, or plan A, or plan A. We've totally changed personnel, but not our style. And it's resulted in an offense that is absolutely hideous.

[knickswin]

Yes he is the main problem. he really is. I get the Knicks are not a perfect fit but somehow other teams function without everything fitting perfectly. D'Antoni has shown NO ability to adjust to his personnel. Not during games, not before games, not after games. For someone labeled a offensive genius he doesn't seem to be very creative It's plan A, or plan A, or plan A. We've totally changed personnel, but not our style. And it's resulted in an offense that is absolutely hideous.

I disagree. This is a thin, untalented roster. What would you suggest he do? How do you want him to run this team? I think his hands are tied behind his back given the talent. He does not have shooters. He has horrible ball handling. He only has one post player. He does not have intelligent players. We do not have the personnel to be a great defensive team (Amar'e and Carmelo prevent us from going that route). I don't know what type of basketball this collection of talent can play. Princeton? Triangle? Corner? Flex? Pick and pop? They don't have the personnel for any of that.

I have said it before, but there is NO two man game from Carmelo and Amare and there never will be. That's because Amare has no back to the basket game and can only finish and face up. That's a serious weakness. This is a flawed pairing. Very flawed. If we're going to have two players earning $20 million a piece, there should be synergy. They should be able to play off of each other, but they can't.

Really, poor Mike. I feel sorry for him. He is going to be the scapegoat for this team when really the problem is the management. This is a horribly constructed roster. Look at the Bulls of recent years, the Celtics, the Spurs. Their management respects their coaches and puts players who fit their ideologies on the team. They don't do that for Mike. They won't even give him a point guard. I hope that next season he gets a job with the Clippers and thrives there.

[Draz]

Naw, leave him. =] I ain't buy no season tickets, let those people handle him.

[airchibundo507]

konex already cursed us in a thread saying that D'Antoni will be fired.

I personally thought he should have been fired after the Nuggets game. But it's like after every win he prolongs his stay another 5 games just to see if the team flips the ON/OFF switch or Baron gets back soon enough to save his ass (if he has enough left in the tank to do so).

[Meticode]

I can't believe we beat the Knicks by 10 today and the player with the most points was 13. :oldlol:

[bagelred]

To be honest, I think D'Antoni WANTS to be fired at this point. You would think with this star power, he'd want to stay but he doesn't. It's just not a good roster for him.

He is going to end up the head coach of Toronto next season. Watch.

[Sarcastic]

Bump

Need to keep this post going until it finally happens.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I agree 100% that D'Antoni's style relies on an elite point guard like Nash. Mike himself was a point guard and that's how he wants everything to run. The thing is that most championship teams the last 20+ years haven't relied on point guards, some haven't even really had them, or they've had average point guards.

I think Mike was fine for the roster he had in Phoenix. They called very few set plays, just put the ball in Nash's hands and let him create with pick and rolls or by probing in half court, occasionally Marion would go backdoor for a lob, but other than that, D'Antoni's other style was for Nash to push the ball and the team to get 3s in transition. That's fine when you have the shooters Phoenix did and players like Marion and Amare with Nash running everything.

And I do think that team was capable of winning a title with D'Antoni as coach. But that's not this team and Mike has proven completely incapable of adjusting and maximizing the talent he has with this roster.

As far as Baron returning? I expect nothing out of that, his last 3+ seasons and the fact that I don't think he's the best fit with Amare and Melo make it annoying to see updates on Baron every single game. Probably just another washed up, inury-prone star who doesn't fit, just like many players here the last decade.

It's amazing how bad the offense looks, even if this team was the best defensive team in the league, they wouldn't have a shot at contending with how bad the offense has looked. And that shouldn't be the case with a good amount of offensive talent.

I do think that things will get a bit better regardless. Amare is starting to move a bit better the last couple of games, but his jump shot has been way off all season, and he's had a good shot for years. Melo is in a horrible slump, same with most of the role players. I think they'll eventually shoot better, but not up to their potential unless they learn how to execute offensively.

[Blue&Orange]

I disagree. This is a thin, untalented roster. What would you suggest he do? How do you want him to run this team? I think his hands are tied behind his back given the talent. He does not have shooters. He has horrible ball handling. He only has one post player. He does not have intelligent players. We do not have the personnel to be a great defensive team (Amar'e and Carmelo prevent us from going that route). I don't know what type of basketball this collection of talent can play. Princeton? Triangle? Corner? Flex? Pick and pop? They don't have the personnel for any of that.

I have said it before, but there is NO two man game from Carmelo and Amare and there never will be. That's because Amare has no back to the basket game and can only finish and face up. That's a serious weakness. This is a flawed pairing. Very flawed. If we're going to have two players earning $20 million a piece, there should be synergy. They should be able to play off of each other, but they can't.

Really, poor Mike. I feel sorry for him. He is going to be the scapegoat for this team when really the problem is the management. This is a horribly constructed roster. Look at the Bulls of recent years, the Celtics, the Spurs. Their management respects their coaches and puts players who fit their ideologies on the team. They don't do that for Mike. They won't even give him a point guard. I hope that next season he gets a job with the Clippers and thrives there.
:lol :hammerhead:

[ILLsmak]

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HAHA, priceless. Well they paid him. When someone offers you money like that, you gotta take it.

If he's ****ing up, then oh well. He's like I'm getting PAID bitches.

Edit: Why can't they run pick and rolls with Melo and Amare? You might say that is fail because Melo can't run a pick and roll, but I bet he'd figure it out quickly.

But an essential thing to a pick and roll is having spot up shooters so when people help you can burn them.

-Smak

[Faberg]

The team as currently constructed is flawed. They threw pieces together and hope it stuck.

[herschel4heisman]

With each additional loss, Melo's destiny gets closer to becoming a reality: Being the #1 option in a Mike Woodson offense. He'll have all the Iso-Melos with the accompanying endless jab steps he has ever wanted

[The_Yearning]

When BD the messiah himself comes back and Pringles gets fired, I wonder who Knick fans are going to blame next when they still suck?

Winning starts and end with your best player.

Case closed.

[Sarcastic]

The team as currently constructed is flawed. They threw pieces together and hope it stuck.

That's how every team in the league is formed. It's not like Kobe was playing with Pau for 15 years to get accustomed to each other.

[knicksman]

it needs 2 to tango. In every scorer, there should be a playmaker. So this is really expected

But the problems really on this team are

1. amares jumpshot due to added muscle
2. melos jumpshot due to injury
3. pg

I dont get why people think amare and melo cant coexist when last year they have played well after the melo trade and its not like chauncey is known for playmaking and he only played 3 games and douglas took over the pg spot. And we have jeffries and turiaf clogging the paint. They are 7-1 against playoff teams and their offensive rating is 106 compared to 105 premelo.

Every player really would struggle if they have no jumpshot. In fact melo without jumpshot is even worse than amare without jumpshot. No matter how skilled you are, if you have no jumpshot/touch, you become worthless. So give it time unless amare hasnt been automatic in the midrange last year.

[Blue&Orange]

Knicks have one more win than the Nets, that played only one time agaist the lolcats while the Knicks played 3 times, and the Nets have his second best player out.

Poorly constructed roster? Untalented roster? This is exactly like Heat fans finding excuses for the big three.. the love for a man that have done nothing on the NBA and constantly shows no relevant coaching skills is appalling.

[blablabla]

We should have signed Rick Adelman in summer.
Now Dantoni has to stay i mean who could they possibly sign another wasted seasons for the New York Knicks.

[airchibundo507]

we would be winning games if our three-ball was falling. we have to be the worst three-point shooting team in the league.

Baron might not make a big difference (besides not turning the ball over and creating easy scoring opportunities) but adding JR Smith will help us be competitive in the playoffs.

[Sarcastic]

When this finally happens, I am going to get soooooo drunk that night....

[boozehound]

I disagree. This is a thin, untalented roster. What would you suggest he do? How do you want him to run this team? I think his hands are tied behind his back given the talent. He does not have shooters. He has horrible ball handling. He only has one post player. He does not have intelligent players. We do not have the personnel to be a great defensive team (Amar'e and Carmelo prevent us from going that route). I don't know what type of basketball this collection of talent can play. Princeton? Triangle? Corner? Flex? Pick and pop? They don't have the personnel for any of that.

I have said it before, but there is NO two man game from Carmelo and Amare and there never will be. That's because Amare has no back to the basket game and can only finish and face up. That's a serious weakness. This is a flawed pairing. Very flawed. If we're going to have two players earning $20 million a piece, there should be synergy. They should be able to play off of each other, but they can't.

Really, poor Mike. I feel sorry for him. He is going to be the scapegoat for this team when really the problem is the management. This is a horribly constructed roster. Look at the Bulls of recent years, the Celtics, the Spurs. Their management respects their coaches and puts players who fit their ideologies on the team. They don't do that for Mike. They won't even give him a point guard. I hope that next season he gets a job with the Clippers and thrives there.
sick of hearing knicks fans talk about how bad their roster is. its a 5 man game! you have top 10 players (top 5 probably) at 3 of those positions! The roster is not the problem here. Sure, the backcourt is weak, but even its not that bad. This team sucks donkeyballs due to the coaching style and emphasis.

[longtime lurker]

This roster is not the best but as I've been saying from time the Knicks will not got far with Dantoni at the helm. The guy cannot adjust to his personnel. The Knicks aren't a great 3 point shooting team but whenever I watch them they keep launching up 3's. How many losses does it take to realize he has a small forward he should post on the block or a PF who has the mobility to get in the paint. If Dantoni doesn't have Nash he just throws his hands in the air and says **** it

[knickswin]

sick of hearing knicks fans talk about how bad their roster is. its a 5 man game! you have top 10 players (top 5 probably) at 3 of those positions! The roster is not the problem here. Sure, the backcourt is weak, but even its not that bad. This team sucks donkeyballs due to the coaching style and emphasis.

so what if they're "top 10" players at their positions (Chandlers is far from top 10 center on offense, and Amar'e has not been playing like a top 10 power forward by the way). They can't play together. Their games don't mesh.

You have to understand how Amar'e plays. He is a face-up big. Last year he was a devastating scorer for the knicks because he got to play pick and roll a lot and got very good spacing where everyone else would stand around the perimeter while he face up against a slower center. I can show you plenty of youtube videos of Amar'e's big games, and this is exactly how the floor is spaced anytime he succeeds in iso.

Mike D'Antoni MADE amar'e. He was arguably the best scoring power forward in the game last year, and he did that mostly through shooting and athleticism. Amar'e is not a very skilled player, even for a big man.

So now you bring Tyson and Carmelo into the picture, and amare isn't the same amare any more. Tyson can't draw his defender to the three point line like a stretch four like Gallo can. Carmelo is too good to have camp at the three point line so Amar'e can play his game. Combine that with how we have no point guard, d'antoni is having tyson play the roll man (to a lot of success most possessions), and how amar'e is not shooting the ball well, and amar'e doesn't look like a very good player at all. he faces up at the elbow into three defenders just so a guard can block him at the rim.

no, you can't tell me, a knicks fan, to shut up about how the players don't fit. this front office has been pulling this crap for years. they tried it with marbury and fancis, marbury and jamal, randolph and curry. It's crap. You can't just put any two players on the court and expect them to work, especially a limited player like Amar'e who needs a certain set up to thrive.

it seems like I'm making amare the scapegoat, but I'm not. It's the front office's fault for this. I think amare needs to get traded because he's the odd man out, but he's not a bad player.

[Sarcastic]

so what if they're "top 10" players at their positions (Chandlers is far from top 10 center on offense, and Amar'e has not been playing like a top 10 power forward by the way). They can't play together. Their games don't mesh.

You have to understand how Amar'e plays. He is a face-up big. Last year he was a devastating scorer for the knicks because he got to play pick and roll a lot and got very good spacing where everyone else would stand around the perimeter while he face up against a slower center. I can show you plenty of youtube videos of Amar'e's big games, and this is exactly how the floor is spaced anytime he succeeds in iso.

Mike D'Antoni MADE amar'e. He was arguably the best scoring power forward in the game last year, and he did that mostly through shooting and athleticism. Amar'e is not a very skilled player, even for a big man.

So now you bring Tyson and Carmelo into the picture, and amare isn't the same amare any more. Tyson can't draw his defender to the three point line like a stretch four like Gallo can. Carmelo is too good to have camp at the three point line so Amar'e can play his game. Combine that with how we have no point guard, d'antoni is having tyson play the roll man (to a lot of success most possessions), and how amar'e is not shooting the ball well, and amar'e doesn't look like a very good player at all. he faces up at the elbow into three defenders just so a guard can block him at the rim.

no, you can't tell me, a knicks fan, to shut up about how the players don't fit. this front office has been pulling this crap for years. they tried it with marbury and fancis, marbury and jamal, randolph and curry. It's crap. You can't just put any two players on the court and expect them to work, especially a limited player like Amar'e who needs a certain set up to thrive.

it seems like I'm making amare the scapegoat, but I'm not. It's the front office's fault for this. I think amare needs to get traded because he's the odd man out, but he's not a bad player.


Melo and Amare can play together. They just don't have a coach that can put them in the proper positions to do so. The roster is fine and we would be winning with a different coach.

[knickswin]

poor mike. everyone's calling for his head. the former coach of the year who went to the western conference finals twice and led the suns to two 60 win seasons. meanwhile the snake dolan who's somehow managed to have the wealthiest team in the league be the least successful team in the league during his entire tenure sits in his corner with no one pointing the fingers at him.

[knickswin]

Melo and Amare can play together. They just don't have a coach that can put them in the proper positions to do so. The roster is fine and we would be winning with a different coach.

what is your basis for saying they can thrive together? what evidence is there for it? when has amare ever succeeded without steve nash or without very open spacing?

I say that Amar'e and Carmelo could potentially COEXIST if we developed and amare/baron pick and roll with carmelo on the wing, but that's not synergy. i would much prefer my two best players could play off each other, be greater than the sum of their parts.

[WhySoInsecure?]

poor mike. everyone's calling for his head. the former coach of the year who went to the western conference finals twice and led the suns to two 60 win seasons. meanwhile the snake dolan who's somehow managed to have the wealthiest team in the league be the least successful team in the league during his entire tenure sits in his corner with no one pointing the fingers at him. :applause: casting Donnie aside and dropping Billups/Turiaf to overpay for chandler was an awful mistake. We could have easily turned our MLE into a solid backup big and looked for other options over the summer.
There's no way D'antoni had any influence over those moves and I'm pretty sure he's well aware of the fact that he's the ext one to go.

[airchibundo507]

:applause: casting Donnie aside and dropping Billups/Turiaf to overpay for chandler was an awful mistake. We could have easily turned our MLE into a solid backup big and looked for other options over the summer.
There's no way D'antoni had any influence over those moves and I'm pretty sure he's well aware of the fact that he's the ext one to go.

quality big men are far and too few. we might have overpaid for chandler but he is a great fit alongside Amare. there are far more talented point guards in the league than centers, so even with our backcourt being complete sh*t this year, guys like Nash, Kidd, Felton, Hinrich, Dragic all come off the books at the end of the season.

we made the right move although it will take a transition year to get to contention

Nash/JR/Melo/Amare/Chandler
Shumpert/Fields/Walker/Jords/Jeffries
Bibby/Douglas

That team competes for a title.

[Scoooter]

JR Smith will never compete for a title in the NBA.

[StateOfMind12]

It seems like every one except the Knicks organization understands and believes that D'Antoni is the problem with the Knicks right now and not the players. That is pretty frustrating for the fans especially the Knicks fans.

[Droid101]

quality big men are far and too few. we might have overpaid for chandler but he is a great fit alongside Amare. there are far more talented point guards in the league than centers, so even with our backcourt being complete sh*t this year, guys like Nash, Kidd, Felton, Hinrich, Dragic all come off the books at the end of the season.

we made the right move although it will take a transition year to get to contention

Nash/JR/Melo/Amare/Chandler
Shumpert/Fields/Walker/Jords/Jeffries
Bibby/Douglas

That team competes for a title.
:roll:

[Sarcastic]

what is your basis for saying they can thrive together? what evidence is there for it? when has amare ever succeeded without steve nash or without very open spacing?

I say that Amar'e and Carmelo could potentially COEXIST if we developed and amare/baron pick and roll with carmelo on the wing, but that's not synergy. i would much prefer my two best players could play off each other, be greater than the sum of their parts.

Last year. Amar'e played some of his best basketball of his career for the Knicks without Nash.

[WhySoInsecure?]

quality big men are far and too few. we might have overpaid for chandler but he is a great fit alongside Amare. there are far more talented point guards in the league than centers, so even with our backcourt being complete sh*t this year, guys like Nash, Kidd, Felton, Hinrich, Dragic all come off the books at the end of the season.

we made the right move although it will take a transition year to get to contention

Nash/JR/Melo/Amare/Chandler
Shumpert/Fields/Walker/Jords/Jeffries
Bibby/Douglas

That team competes for a title.
Chandler is an average big at best and useless on this team since nobody else plays any defense. I'd even argue that he doesn't bring much to the table that we didn't get from Turiaf.

Picking up a shitty point guard, or an old man will not help this team. Nash and Kidd are almost ready to start picking up their retirement checks; Felton is not coming back; and Hinrich/Dragic are not starters in this league.

[airchibundo507]

JR Smith will never compete for a title in the NBA.

I'm considering putting you on ignore.

[Sarcastic]

It seems like every one except the Knicks organization understands and believes that D'Antoni is the problem with the Knicks right now and not the players. That is pretty frustrating for the fans especially the Knicks fans.

Basically this.

[knickswin]

:applause: casting Donnie aside and dropping Billups/Turiaf to overpay for chandler was an awful mistake. We could have easily turned our MLE into a solid backup big and looked for other options over the summer.
There's no way D'antoni had any influence over those moves and I'm pretty sure he's well aware of the fact that he's the ext one to go.

yep. I've seen this movie before. Jeff Van Gundy, Larry Brown, and now Mike. The problem isn't the coaches. It's a rotten organization to the core. They put these poor coaches out there with hopeless rosters that don't fit together and then expect them to turn water into wine. When they don't, everyone in New York calls for the coach's head, and the poor slob gets fired. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. New Yorkers should realize that the Knicks' problems start at the top.

[Sarcastic]

JR Smith will never compete for a title in the NBA.

I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing about Metta World Peace after the Malice at the Palace.

[airchibundo507]

Chandler is an average big at best and useless on this team since nobody else plays any defense. I'd even argue that he doesn't bring much to the table that we didn't get from Turiaf.

Picking up a shitty point guard, or an old man will not help this team. Nash and Kidd are almost ready to start picking up their retirement checks; Felton is not coming back; and Hinrich/Dragic are not starters in this league.

Didn't Kidd just win a championship? I'm not saying that I want Kidd but being old doesn't make a damn difference. It's not like we are fostering lottery picks. Nash has MANY years left in the tank. His game was never based on athleticism. He is an ELITE shooter and ELITE passer. He can still average 15/10. Put that with an elite wing scorer and a point guard dependent power forward and it's a good fit.

Hinrich can shoot the rock. He doesn't start right now but he has most of his career. He's a solid 15/6 point guard. Again, he can shoot the rock. He even plays defense.

[knickswin]

Last year. Amar'e played some of his best basketball of his career for the Knicks without Nash.

yep. I said that. I said that amare can play very well if you give him the spacing that the knicks gave him last year. make him the focal point of the offense. tyson and carmelo aren't going to give him that spacing.

here's some amare highlights. Look at how the floor is spaced EVERY TIME he succeeds in iso. There are always shooters on the perimeter watching him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmeCaY2wN04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_33FDnhwP0

[Droid101]

I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing about Metta World Peace after the Malice at the Palace.
Actually, nobody ever said that. Artest was a great defender and was putting up MVP numbers before the brawl.

[StateOfMind12]

JR Smith will never compete for a title in the NBA.
I hate how underrated JR Smith is...

He isn't a 1st, 2nd, and maybe not even a 3rd option but he's a great bench player and would be a good addition for any team. There isn't a doubt in my mind that he could be a key role player on a championship team.

[knickswin]

airchibundo, what do you think about trading amare for andrea bargnani or luis scola? I think those are both players who are betting fits next to Chandler and Carmleo.

[airchibundo507]

I hate how underrated JR Smith is...

He isn't a 1st, 2nd, and maybe not even a 3rd option but he's a great bench player and would be a good addition for any team. There isn't a doubt in my mind that he could be a key role player on a championship team.

Especially in the right organization.
Couldn't you see the Spurs picking a guy like him up and turning him into a star? He definitely has 20 ppg potential.

[WhySoInsecure?]

I hate how underrated JR Smith is...

He isn't a 1st, 2nd, and maybe not even a 3rd option but he's a great bench player and would be a good addition for any team. There isn't a doubt in my mind that he could be a key role player on a championship team.
he's an idiot

[airchibundo507]

airchibundo, what do you think about trading amare for andrea bargnani or luis scola? I think those are both players who are betting fits next to Chandler and Carmleo.

I think we either trade Amare for Howard or we don't trade him at all until the season ends. Amare is better than those guys. We just need to find him a point guard and improve the spacing.

[airchibundo507]

he's an idiot

resum

[knickswin]

I think we either trade Amare for Howard or we don't trade him at all until the season ends. Amare is better than those guys. We just need to find him a point guard and improve the spacing.

yeah, I think Amar'e is better than those guys (definitely a lot more talented than Scola) but I'm not sure we're ever going to see amare play up to his potential again. the way the knicks ran last year, he was the focus of everything and we spaced the floor with the sole intention of giving him room to operate.

I'm really starting to see that el gringos guy's point about how good bargnani would be next to Carmelo. he would really open things up so that carmelo could play down low more.

[StateOfMind12]

Especially in the right organization.
Couldn't you see the Spurs picking a guy like him up and turning him into a star? He definitely has 20 ppg potential.
That's not a star. He could be a 3rd option on some teams I'm sure but I really doubt he could win as a 1st or 2nd option. Maybe Smith would be able to be as 1st and 2nd option and be productive but that doesn't mean it would be successful and he would win (e.g. Joe Johnson).

Smith does pretty much everything well in terms of ability. The problem with Smith is his inconsistency and sometimes his mentality. He has a Kobe mentality where sometimes he may force the issue a little too much but that is not what you want in a role player. You would rather have your role player have LeBron's weaknesses of being passive instead of Kobe's weakness of being too assertive. It is the complete opposite for star players though...

[Sarcastic]

yep. I said that. I said that amare can play very well if you give him the spacing that the knicks gave him last year. make him the focal point of the offense. tyson and carmelo aren't going to give him that spacing.

here's some amare highlights. Look at how the floor is spaced EVERY TIME he succeeds in iso. There are always shooters on the perimeter watching him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmeCaY2wN04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_33FDnhwP0


He still has space. The problem is he is taking too many shots like this instead of attacking the rim.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/nuckles2k2/IMG_0360.jpg

[airchibundo507]

yeah, I think Amar'e is better than those guys (definitely a lot more talented than Scola) but I'm not sure we're ever going to see amare play up to his potential again. the way the knicks ran last year, he was the focus of everything and we spaced the floor with the sole intention of giving him room to operate.

I'm really starting to see that el gringos guy's point about how good bargnani would be next to Carmelo. he would really open things up so that carmelo could play down low more.

I'd consider it. Bargnani is improving every year. He could develop into a Dirk. He's a better passer than Amare. About as bad at defense and probably a worse rebounder (which wouldn't be all that bad alongside Melo and Chandler).

I'd probably want to take back some shooters from their roster.

[airchibundo507]

that's not spacing. that's 5 defenders each with a foot in the paint.

D'Antoni is the dumbass making Stat play 18 feet from the basket btw.

[Blue&Orange]

D'Antoni n4thugg3rs wanting to trade Amare or Melo before they have a chance to play together under a NBA caliber coach. :facepalm

[ZenMaster]

that's not spacing. that's 5 defenders each with a foot in the paint.

D'Antoni is the dumbass making Stat play 18 feet from the basket btw.

D'antoni has to put 3 players in the space that's meant for a maximum of 2 players, that's hard to do when you can't start any of them on the bench.

[Bigsmoke]

Stephen A. Smith went in too hard on the Knicks :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKa-kKxs2J8

[BlueandGold]

I've said he was a bad hire from the beginning. Pretty much all the stuff you said in the OP, too one-dimensional.

[blablabla]

D'Antoni n4thugg3rs wanting to trade Amare or Melo before they have a chance to play together under a NBA caliber coach. :facepalm
mike is a good coach do you guys really think he doesn't see that this team doesn't work out
sorry but if a few internet fans would know better than him he wouldn't have been an nba coach since '98
this team just doesn't fit together
dolan is just interfering way too much i don't think mike and walsh would have done the melo trade and the also wouldn't have signed chandler
dolan is destroying this franchise

[Scoooter]

How long have the Knicks been a bad franchise? A little over a decade.
How long has Jim Dolan been in charge? A little over a decade.
When have the Knicks looked - however briefly - like they were trending in the right direction? When Dolan took a backseat and let solid basketball minds (Donnie Walsh) do their jobs.
When did the most recent downturn start? When Dolan railroaded Walsh and pushed through the Melo deal.

I don't know why more Knicks fans refuse to see this (probably because they know nothing can be done about it). Change the coach. Change the coach every year until they win a few games and you think everything's alright.

You won't be fixing the problem.

Frankly, D'Antoni's biggest mistake this season has been running the offense through Carmelo and trusting him to make the right decisions. He's clearly not up to it. Of course, until one of the 4 or 5 point guard-shaped mongoloids he has to work with learns to throw a bounce pass, his options are limited.

[knickswin]

yep, I've seen too many coaches I know to be decent (JVG, Brown, D'Antoni) to be fooled once again that the coach is to blame.

It's the owner. He does not respect his coaches. He does not put out teams that fit their philosophies and styles.

I am not a D'Antoni apologist, in fact, I want him gone. But that's just because at this point it makes more sense to build around Carmelo and Chandler and get a coach who believes in more post play. If we had kept the old roster, I would have loved to have kept D'Antoni.

[Rameek]

I think D'Antoni is a terrible coach. But as many times as this roster has been changed over its really not fair to him.

[BlackVVaves]

How long have the Knicks been a bad franchise? A little over a decade.
How long has Jim Dolan been in charge? A little over a decade.
When have the Knicks looked - however briefly - like they were trending in the right direction? When Dolan took a backseat and let solid basketball minds (Donnie Walsh) do their jobs.
When did the most recent downturn start? When Dolan railroaded Walsh and pushed through the Melo deal.

I don't know why more Knicks fans refuse to see this (probably because they know nothing can be done about it). Change the coach. Change the coach every year until they win a few games and you think everything's alright.

You won't be fixing the problem.

Frankly, D'Antoni's biggest mistake this season has been running the offense through Carmelo and trusting him to make the right decisions. He's clearly not up to it. Of course, until one of the 4 or 5 point guard-shaped mongoloids he has to work with learns to throw a bounce pass, his options are limited.

Finally, SOMEbody gets it.

Unfortunately, you can't fire the owner.

It's a shame, because even the Raptors have been more relevant than the Knicks from 2000-2010 (pre-Amare).

Even the Warriors have. (taking out the Mavs in the playoffs)

Even the Clippers have. (got to the WCF in, '06 I believe?)

Even the Wizards have. (had a little run there with Arenas, Lewis, and Hughes)

This is coming from someone who paces the streets of NYC 5 days a week. The Knicks are lucky they play in New York. If this team played in any other city outside of LA or Chicago it would be in the financial toilet a la the Bobcats.

Think about this. How can you suck for an entire decade with nothing to show for it? No young prospects, no upswing. Not one playoff win, next to no play off appearances. You take on bad contracts, you trade away draft picks, you continue to run your head in a brick wall over and over again. And the second someone with basketball knowledge actually starts to turn your team around the corner, you kick him to the curb and continue on the crusade that left you the laughing stock of the NBA for most of the 2000s.

It's embarrassing man. Look around the league. Look at all the teams that rebuilt the right way and now have at least a glimpse of a bright future. Look at the T-Wolves, the Kings, the Pacers. Look at what Portland, Chicago, Memphis, and particularly the Thunder (formerly the Sonics) have done.

At least Detroit has a ring. Guarantee when Kobe retires, it won't take the Lakets 10 years to make ONE good move.

Dolan doesn't know SHIT about basketball. Phil Jackson ain't doing shit here in NY if Dolan is still owner, and more importantly, the GM.

So keep calling for D'Antoni's head. Next will be Amare, then Melo. Maybe after another decade of mediocrity, if not pure NBA trash, Knicks fans will realize that Dolan was the common factor all along.


/rant.

[knicksman]

A pg is like a processor in a computer. Without them, your team wont function. Rome is not built in one day. You have to sacrifice something for the future. If the sacrifice is to abandon 1 season for the future then so be it. I have always doubt whether this team could function w/o a pg just like those suns team would always lose if nash is injured. We already filled the most difficult positions and alot of pgs would love to take a paycut on this team so we really are building this team to be attractive to pgs. Thats the only way you could build a complete team. You should have a position that youre getting for cheap and we got it with davis. Were not getting a center for cheap. We would be like miami playing without a center and theres a possibility that it could happen for the rest of miamis big 3s contract. IMO were the most complete team in this league, its just that we have no pg that would make this team function. Pg is the position which makes the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

[knickswin]

Finally, SOMEbody gets it.

Unfortunately, you can't fire the owner.

It's a shame, because even the Raptors have been more relevant than the Knicks from 2000-2010 (pre-Amare).

Even the Warriors have. (taking out the Mavs in the playoffs)

Even the Clippers have. (got to the WCF in, '06 I believe?)

Even the Wizards have. (had a little run there with Arenas, Lewis, and Hughes)

This is coming from someone who paces the streets of NYC 5 days a week. The Knicks are lucky they play in New York. If this team played in any other city outside of LA or Chicago it would be in the financial toilet a la the Bobcats.

Think about this. How can you suck for an entire decade with nothing to show for it? No young prospects, no upswing. Not one playoff win, next to no play off appearances. You take on bad contracts, you trade away draft picks, you continue to run your head in a brick wall over and over again. And the second someone with basketball knowledge actually starts to turn your team around the corner, you kick him to the curb and continue on the crusade that left you the laughing stock of the NBA for most of the 2000s.

It's embarrassing man. Look around the league. Look at all the teams that rebuilt the right way and now have at least a glimpse of a bright future. Look at the T-Wolves, the Kings, the Pacers. Look at what Portland, Chicago, Memphis, and particularly the Thunder (formerly the Sonics) have done.

At least Detroit has a ring. Guarantee when Kobe retires, it won't take the Lakets 10 years to make ONE good move.

Dolan doesn't know SHIT about basketball. Phil Jackson ain't doing shit here in NY if Dolan is still owner, and more importantly, the GM.

So keep calling for D'Antoni's head. Next will be Amare, then Melo. Maybe after another decade of mediocrity, if not pure NBA trash, Knicks fans will realize that Dolan was the common factor all along.


/rant.

:applause:

AMEN!!!!!!

and it's disgusting how stupid the media is, falling for the same shit all over again. You've got morons on the radio calling for D'Antoni's head, like that's really going to change anything. It is disgusting to me.

This isn't on D'Antoni. He is a good coach if you give him a roster he can work with. This isn't on Amar'e, he is a good player if you give him a roster he can thrive with. This isn't on Carmelo, he is a good player on a roster he can thrive with. This is on a piss poor front office that has been the laughing stock of the league for years. This is the wealthiest team in the league, but it's also the worst. What. A. Joke.

This isn't hard to see. We were a good team when Charles Dolan was the owner, then the idiot boy son took over and things have been consistently horrible.

[BlackVVaves]

:applause:

AMEN!!!!!!

and it's disgusting how stupid the media is, falling for the same shit all over again. You've got morons on the radio calling for D'Antoni's head, like that's really going to change anything. It is disgusting to me.

This isn't on D'Antoni. He is a good coach if you give him a roster he can work with. This isn't on Amar'e, he is a good player if you give him a roster he can thrive with. This isn't on Carmelo, he is a good player on a roster he can thrive with. This is on a piss poor front office that has been the laughing stock of the league for years. This is the wealthiest team in the league, but it's also the worst. What. A. Joke.

This isn't hard to see. We were a good team when Charles Dolan was the owner, then the idiot boy son took over and things have been consistently horrible.

It's simply because many members of the media, and your casual NBA fan, is incapable of looking past the front cover and first few pages of a organization's book.

It's simple math, really. There have been countless roster overhauls. There have been different coaches, different philosophies set in place. It has all amounted to nothing, while their fellow Atlantic Division rivals (Celtics, Nets) boast multiple final appearances during the same decade that the Knicks have boasted..........what exactly have they done? :facepalm

The woeful owner is the one that allowed Isaiah Thomas play house with the team for years upon years. And he's the one that backed him 150%, until people starting calling for his head.

The only person that has been the constant since this decade of incompetence is Dolan. I swear outside of Sterling's cheap ass, Dolan has been the worst owner of the 2000s by a LONG shot.

[knickswin]

It's simply because many members of the media, and your casual NBA fan, is incapable of looking past the front cover and first few pages of a organization's book.

It's simple math, really. There have been countless roster overhauls. There have been different coaches, different philosophies set in place. It has all amounted to nothing, while their fellow Atlantic Division rivals (Celtics, Nets) boast multiple final appearances during the same decade that the Knicks have boasted..........what exactly have they done? :facepalm

The woeful owner is the one that allowed Isaiah Thomas play house with the team for years upon years. And he's the one that backed him 150%, until people starting calling for his head.

The only person that has been the constant since this decade of incompetence is Dolan. I swear outside of Sterling's cheap ass, Dolan has been the worst owner of the 2000s by a LONG shot.

yep yep yep. The only other team in the Knicks' league in terms of profitability is the Lakers, and, uh, I think that they've been a smidge more successful than the Knicks these past 12 years (something like, what, 5 championships?).

Look at the Spurs. They stand by their coach. They support him and give him players who fit with his ideology. Knicks force their coaches to go out with poorly fitting rosters (what's worse, poorly fitting, talent rosters that casual fans think should be successful) and then throw them under the bus as soon as the going gets rough.

Yet here we are again. A ridiculous team with a bunch of players who get in each others ways, but people are calling for poor D'Antoni's head. What this team needs is for someone to get through to Dolan's thick skull that he should not be involved with basketball decisions whatsoever and that he should hire a good basketball mind to run this team. But I'm dreaming. It'll never happen.

[Blue&Orange]

Look at the Spurs. They stand by their coach. They support him and give him players who fit with his ideology. Knicks force their coaches to go out with poorly fitting rosters (what's worse, poorly fitting, talent rosters that casual fans think should be successful) and then throw them under the bus as soon as the going gets rough.
I don't even know what to say. You got you head so far D'Antoni ass that it's not even funny.

Yeah poor D'Antoni, if only he was given the powerhouse names like Matt Bonner, Danny Green?, Kawhi Leonard?, Gary Neal, TJ Ford, even Splitter.

If only the Knicks gave D'Antoni undrafted guys, all would be better. :lol

[knickswin]

I don't even know what to say. You got you head so far D'Antoni ass that it's not even funny.

Yeah poor D'Antoni, if only he was given the powerhouse names like Matt Bonner, Danny Green?, Kawhi Leonard?, Gary Neal, TJ Ford, even Splitter.

If only the Knicks gave D'Antoni undrafted guys, all would be better. :lol

I actually said I want him gone. How is my head up his butt?

I'm just not into blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks.

D'Antoni doesn't need all world talent to put a good product on the floor. He needs players who fit into his system. He needs a decent point guard, shooters, and a big man. That's all. We didn't give him that. We gave him Carmelo and Tyson and no point guard.

At this point, yes he should leave. Clearly the front office doesn't care about his philosophy and doesn't want to build his type of team. That's fine. Personally, I prefer moving in another direction away from D'Antoni ball because I think it's flawed. But blaming everything wrong with the Knicks on him is wrong. It's a flawed, flawed roster and we're going to find the next coach is going to struggle with it too. Teams need some sort of an identity and the Knicks don't have one.

and those Spurs players are all smart half court players who can play well in the Princeton. No, they are not super talented, and no, the Spurs did not have a lot of success in the playoffs with them, but they fit into his system.

[Blue&Orange]

- He gets his team to run the most basic play six games into the season, other teams were running plays since day one.

- He tries to play zone 15 games into the season, other teams were doing it since day one.

- He cries that there’s no offensive flow, oblivious to the fact that he is just pointing out how awful he is. Despite the lack of offensive flow, he is utterly unable to draw a couple of plays, that players can fall back to, for some easy baskets to get some type of “flow” going on

- He says Melo can be like Bird, and runs the offense through him, then complains about the flow.

- He thinks that being ready to running up the court is more important than getting the rebound, see the training camp videos. Makes sense, running up the court masks the shitty coach he is.

- He doesn’t know what to do with Amare. Stat is playing alone out there, he got no help from nobody, I’m yet to see somebody setting a screen for Amare. No pick & rolls no screens no nothing, he is on his own. Beside putting Amare at center against slower players and put the other 4 players behind the 3 point line for "spacing", D’Antoni have absolutely no idea what to do with him. How hard can it be to figure it out some plays to get Amare some easy baskets? Right? Wrong.

- http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7424062/sebastian-pruiti-struggles-new-york-knicks-forward-amare-stoudemire

- Other teams set more screens in one offensive possession than the Knicks in on entire game.

- He makes the Knicks switch on defense every time, resulting in the final minutes of a close game, having the PG’s in the paint guarding the other team center, and Chandler on the perimeter guarding the other team quickest players.

- He only calls a timeout on a 15-0 run and only if behind by double digits by then. Other coaches normally at the minimal odor or run, call timeout immediately.

- Other teams often score a easy basket out of a timeout, Knicks never.

- He plays the walking disaster that is Walker for 20 minutes a game, when he finally plays good, D’Antoni plays him only 11 minutes on a double OT game, than when asked about it says he looked at him and thought he was tired… beginning of third quarter.

- Knicks past 3 seasons? Rebound, run and dunk, defense is set? Shoot threes. Defense? Optional… That’s it… Knicks shoot well threes, blow out win vs Chicago in Chicago, Knicks don’t shoot well threes? Loss to a D-League team. Where’s the coaching input? My grandmother could coach like that.

- How does it look a rookie that had the misfortune of being always coached by D’Antoni? Just look at Amare. 29 years old and still relying on athleticism like a 21 years old rookie.

- Knicks aren’t 5-13 right now, thanks to the lolcats. Nets have only one less win, while playing the lolcats only once vs Knicks 3 times.

- Fanboys say that D’Antoni was given a bad roster, AMARE MELO CHANDLER NOT ENOUGH to have at least 2 more wins than the Nets that have D-Will and nothing else.

- Fanboys are in love with D’Antoni because the Knicks last year were a .500 team on the probably weakest conference in the history of the NBA.

- Fanboys often mention how D’Antoni proven he was good in Phoenix when all he did was achieve the absolute minimal for the level of talent he had.


Keep the circle jerk going on, I will add up more things as I remember.

[Blue&Orange]

I'm just not into blaming him for everything wrong with the Knicks.

Neither am i. Roster is flawed everyone knows that.

Clearly the front office doesn't care about his philosophy and doesn't want to build his type of team.
:cheers:

and we're going to find the next coach is going to struggle with it too.
For sure, as much as D'Antoni? Hell no.

[knicksman]

at the end of the day. Youre only as good as your weakest link. Scorers on the other side of equation and playmakers on the other side. A team with a pg but no scorer is not a good team and vice versa. You need balance and davis is enough to balance this out.

[Blue&Orange]

When i said Knicks aren't 5-13 right now thanks to the lolcats i wasn't joking.

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS



Comparing Knicks vs Nets: SOS, personnel, results.

:lol




at the end of the day. Youre only as good as your weakest link.

And that is why D'Antoni must go ASAP.

[Sarcastic]

Lots of coaches have done far more with far less.

And that quote about the weakest link is true in the NFL, but not in the NBA. Only part of the bench even gets to play. The 12th man almost never gets on the court.

[GOBB]

So Lin has pretty much clouded what every NYK fan cried for prior to his breaking out? :roll:

[christian1923]

So Lin has pretty much clouded what every NYK fan cried for prior to his breaking out? :roll:

thats what a great player can do

[ILLsmak]

So Lin has pretty much clouded what every NYK fan cried for prior to his breaking out? :roll:

It's like a new GF, you forget about life's problems for awhile. It'll all come back around.

-Smak