Spurs depth is severely underrated

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Despite not having their best player and their primary backup pg, the Spurs are 12-7 thanks to the likes of Splitter, Leonard, Neal and Green.

In the last five games, Splitter is averaging 15 points and 6 rebounds in a very efficient 24 minutes a game.

It should be noted that in the last five games, Pop has finally started playing the second year center consistent minutes. Something Spurs fans called for last year.


http://i.imgur.com/dItku.jpg

[bdreason]

I was just about to make a thread about Splitter. I haven't seen him play much, but I have him on my fantasy team, and his production per minute is amazing. Easily a 20/10 PF/C given starter minutes.

[bdreason]

Green is also a solid player. Guy just knows how to ball.

[airchibundo507]

what about James Anderson? when is he going to get some minutes?

[Wonder Bread Kid]

I was just about to make a thread about Splitter. I haven't seen him play much, but I have him on my fantasy team, and his production per minute is amazing. Easily a 20/10 PF/C given starter minutes.

Yeah, it's amazing it took Pop this long to get with the program.

The problem is Pop doesn't like playing Duncan and Splitter together so his minutes are limited in that regard.

When Duncan sat against Houston, Splitter showed what he can do (25/10/4 in 32).

[Wonder Bread Kid]

what about James Anderson? when is he going to get some minutes?

When he becomes more aggressive. He's too passive offensively and it hurts the team. His shooting funk at the beginning of the season seems to have made him too hesitant.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

They do a really good drafting and they know how to teach guys their respective roles in Pop's system. The Spurs' system does a really good job of providing specific parts for every guy to fill. So when the reserves come in, they don't miss a beat.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

tiago splitttttterrrr !!! he has arrived

[Legend of Josh]

The front office and player management of the San Antonio Spurs has been world class for awhile now. The Spurs during the David Robinson era endured the rollercoaster effect, meaning, success here/failure there. Not to take anything away from what the Admiral did for the Spurs franchise, but it wasn't until the Duncan era that the Spurs really evolved into the dynasty they became. Well, actually, you could argue Parker, Manu also played just as critical a role but before them, DR and TD won a title themselves to ignite the actual dynasty.

The take away point is San Antonio has been coached and just as importantly managed player wise to keep this franchise like I said world class, and highly competitive year after year... after year! They were grossly feared by the entire West at one point, and at a minimum respected amongst the entire league. They're expected to have the capability to win any game at any given time. I'm sure they're 'prepared for' by the league more on average than most other teams, even today.

[NugzFan]

Wbk is the clippersfan86 of the spurs

[HB40TheNextStar]

this guy:http://imspatial.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/poster_dunk_dannygreen.jpg

[Legend of Josh]

this guy:http://imspatial.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/poster_dunk_dannygreen.jpg

:wtf:

Is that Peyton Manning there to the left???

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Wbk is the clippersfan86 of the spurs

How dare you insult me that way. :rant

But seriously, I make one post a month and average 1.5 posts a day and THAT some how qualifies me enough to be compared to a 14 year old Clippers stan who spends every moment not in school on this forum? :rolleyes: :oldlol: :facepalm

It's as if fans of teams can't discuss their teams on a sports forum dedicate to that team's sport.

ISH be crazy.

[GOBB]

How dare you insult me that way. :rant

But seriously, I make one post a month and average 1.5 posts a day and THAT some how qualifies me enough to be compared to a 14 year old Clippers stan who spends every moment not in school on this forum? :rolleyes: :oldlol: :facepalm

It's as if fans of teams can't discuss their teams on a sports forum dedicate to that team's sport.

ISH be crazy.

Spurs team forum.

Sixers bench > Spurs bench

/end thread

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Spurs team forum.

Sixers bench > Spurs bench

/end thread

NBA forum.

Spurs = play in NBA.

/now off topic tangent ended

[HylianNightmare]

good for him, hope he continues to grow

[GOBB]

NBA forum.

Spurs = play in NBA.

/now off topic tangent ended

No one cares about you hyping up your team. Guess that Point that was on the Boeing 747 flew directly over your head. :rolleyes:

[Wonder Bread Kid]

No one cares about you hyping up your team. Guess that Point that was on the Boeing 747 flew directly over your head. :rolleyes:

I don't care what anyone's opinion on anything is, least of all yours. But obviously if you really didn't care you wouldn't have come into this thread being the usual ass hat flamer you've always been.

Now please let us get back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[NugzFan]

No one cares about you hyping up your team. Guess that Point that was on the Boeing 747 flew directly over your head. :rolleyes:

I may hate you but I probably agree with your posts more than almost anyone else on ish. :cheers:

[TMT]

Tiago is starting to look confident for the first time in his career, and he's looking to everyone like he's another Spurs draft steal. Best big Duncan has had next to him in who knows how long. I wonder at what point Pop will insert him in the starting lineup. I think for our best shot by playoff time our lineup needs to look like this:

Parker
Ginobili
Leonard
Duncan
Splitter

Bench: Jefferson, Neal, Blair, Green, Ford, Anderson, Bonner, Joseph

I think as far as Jefferson's inconsistencies that maybe we should take a new approach and see how he does off the bench, and running with the second unit. His role nowadays seems to be mainly a catch and shoot three point specialist, and when he's hot it's hard to argue with his play. But the guy has lost most of his drive to score in the paint, and it's obvious he doesn't want to guard the big boys. Well if Jefferson doesn't want to let's give Leonard the burn right now instead of easing him into it. Throw Kawhi at James, Anthony, Durant, Kobe, Paul. It will be a good experience for him, but I feel for him to make his full potential as a player he needs to be on the floor with Tony and Tim (Manu too when he returns) as much as possible and soak it all in. Obviously Splitter needs to be on the floor more because Blair is simply too undersized and neither he or Bonner can provide a defensive presence.

Blair off the bench as well will bring a bit of a Malik Rose approach, which is what I've been saying we should do all year. We got another solid wing defender and streaky scorer in Danny Green, Neal will show his usual magic and be useful in the clutch, Ford will really enhance our guard play once he and Manu are back, and hopefully Bonner's minutes decrease or we can make a move for another 4th big by the deadline.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Spurs team forum.

Sixers bench > Spurs bench

/end thread

whats the matter you arent getting enough of kobe/lebrons nuts in your mouth for the day?

[DKLaker]

:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping Spurs Threads & Tim Duncan Threads

[Kiddlovesnets]

The Spurs are a team that you cannot underrate or overrate. They always come out on top and surprise us when we believe they are done, but they can also make early playoffs exit at times when they are overhyped.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping Spurs Threads & Tim Duncan Threads

im sure you would rather talk about kobe and how hes better then lebron all day but there is other teams in the league and other players to talk about.

[vinsane01]

Spurs record isnt exactly spectacular, so i dont see how they are underrated at all. They arent exactly exceeding anyone's expectations, if they did, more people will notice and give praise to the spurs overall team.


Tiago is starting to look confident for the first time in his career, and he's looking to everyone like he's another Spurs draft steal. Best big Duncan has had next to him in who knows how long. I wonder at what point Pop will insert him in the starting lineup.

I agree with this. He has surely exceeded my expectations on the offensive end. Seeing his performances last year and early on this season made me give up on him being a reliable offensive weapon. But he has shown readiness and willingness to score and assertiveness to be involved in the offense.

Consistency is key if he wants to get more minutes. Well he certainly shown to be consistent and pop would be crazy to not give him more. Im not against nor a proponent of him being inserted to the starting lineup; he can contribute as a starter or a bench player. By simply allowing him to play more, his production would go up either way to benefit the team.

Free TIAGO!

[Legend of Josh]

The Spurs are a team that you cannot underrate or overrate. They always come out on top and surprise us when we believe they are done, but they can also make early playoffs exit at times when they are overhyped.

You being a Nets fan, would OBVIOUSLY make this statement, considering the Spurs defeated your Nets back in something like 02 or 03 (cant recall which one) and spanked your New Jersey Pests in a 4 - 1 series... with Duncan being the beast he was back then.

[JustinJDW]

Tiago is coming along very nicely. He's consistently improving his touch around the basket as the season goes on. As of right now, I couldn't be happier with his progress. Hope it continues. He's also building good chemistry with Tony Parker in the pick-n-roll game. Only thing I wish for is that Tiago and Tim would get more minutes on the floor together, but it seems Pop is hesitant to do that. Most likely because he wants a natural big coming off the bench, rather than to depend on Blair and Bonner.

[Legend of Josh]

Thanks for the rep guys ... much appreciated, it'd just be cool if you responded in the thread itself to add to the discussion points.

[Blue&Orange]

Despite not having their best player and their primary backup pg, the Spurs are 12-7 thanks to the likes of Splitter, Leonard, Neal and Green.

If that was the Knicks bench, D'Antoni apologists would be saying D'Antoni was given a shit sandwich.


Don't thank the bench, thank the coach.

[Poodle]

i think Splitter is good, but he's so scrawny. Still tho he's definitely surprised me some this year and he's very good within their system. he really needs to add bulk tho.

i think Green is extremely underrated. He has star athleticism, reminds me sort of Gerald Henderson athleticism but doesn't get enough time. he has moments of greatness tho, like sportscenter highlight greatness.

[Bigsmoke]

The Spurs are soooooo 2005

[Legend of Josh]

i think Splitter is good, but he's so scrawny. Still tho he's definitely surprised me some this year and he's very good within their system. he really needs to add bulk tho.

i think Green is extremely underrated. He has star athleticism, reminds me sort of Gerald Henderson athleticism but doesn't get enough time. he has moments of greatness tho, like sportscenter highlight greatness.

Poodle...

:facepalm

Please say it ain't so...

[Poodle]

Poodle...

:facepalm

Please say it ain't so...


LoJ hasn't killed himself yet? DAMN :facepalm

[niko]

Every monday, tuesday and thursday, official "spurs are underrated day". Be here for a retrospective next week on how Manu's season is being underrated even though he isn't playing.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Every monday, tuesday and thursday, official "spurs are underrated day". Be here for a retrospective next week on how Manu's season is being underrated even though he isn't playing.

Diary of a knick fan :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Whoah10115]

Thiago Splitter=Brazilian so lets go.

[Artillery]

Spurs team forum.

Sixers bench > Spurs bench

/end thread

Record vs .500 Teams:

Spurs: 9-4
Sixers: 2-4 :lol

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Record vs .500 Teams:

Spurs: 9-4
Sixers: 2-4 :lol
:roll: :roll:

[Kiddlovesnets]

You being a Nets fan, would OBVIOUSLY make this statement, considering the Spurs defeated your Nets back in something like 02 or 03 (cant recall which one) and spanked your New Jersey Pests in a 4 - 1 series... with Duncan being the beast he was back then.

:roll:
Did you actually watch the games back in 2002-2003, seriously?

And nope, I hold no grudge against the Spurs and I believe my statement was meant to be neutral instead of offensive.

[GOBB]

Record vs .500 Teams:

Spurs: 9-4
Sixers: 2-4 :lol

That proves whose benches is better? Interesting.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

That proves whose benches is better? Interesting.

It emphasizes that the Sixers bench plays in the weak as sh!t east so their "production" is greatly inflated.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

:roll:
Did you actually watch the games back in 2002-2003, seriously?

And nope, I hold no grudge against the Spurs and I believe my statement was meant to be neutral instead of offensive.

hard to blame him for thinking you were a spurs troll they are everywhere on these forums but ive never seen you bash the spurs :cheers:

[GOBB]

It emphasizes that the Sixers bench plays in the weak as sh!t east so their "production" is greatly inflated.


I don't care what anyone's opinion on anything is, least of all yours.

:rolleyes:

Yeah production is inflated. Sixers play the same teams everyone else does. Come up with a different argument clown. And the Sixers bench is the same as last season for the most part. And it was regarded as one of the best benches in the NBA.

[SCdac]

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/07/44/54/1985297/3/628x471.jpg

this dude is helping out the Spurs alot, in terms of defense and overall hustle. His +5.9 net production is one of the best on the team, despite his stats being pretty pedestrian still... became a starter by the 11th game of his career, and Richard Jefferson (prior starter) is not exactly a scrub.

[G-train]

IMO Thad Young is a serious candidate for 6th man of the year. Thad D's has been elite and his on court offensive efficiency very high as well.

[TMT]

All I'm saying is that Splitter and Neal are starters at the NBA level who come off the bench for us even with our best player out. This bench is deeper than people think, the main reason for our winning record right now.

[GOBB]

IMO Thad Young is a serious candidate for 6th man of the year. Thad D's has been elite and his on court offensive efficiency very high as well.

Yup, I bet he is among the top league leaders in charges taken as well. And for anyone who thinks thats all he does? He defends the pick n roll well.

[TMT]

this dude is helping out the Spurs alot, in terms of defense and overall hustle. His +5.9 net production is one of the best on the team, despite his stats being pretty pedestrian still... became a starter by the 11th game of his career, and Richard Jefferson (prior starter) is not exactly a scrub.

Arguable

[Rnbizzle]

They need it, considering their starters are old as ****.

[Artillery]

:rolleyes:

Yeah production is inflated. Sixers play the same teams everyone else does. Come up with a different argument clown. And the Sixers bench is the same as last season for the most part. And it was regarded as one of the best benches in the NBA.

You barged into the thread, like an assclown, claiming Philly's bench was better when they've had the 2nd easiest schedule in the league. Compare that to SA who've played the 3rd hardest schedule WITHOUT their best player in Ginobili. So basically, SA's bench has stepped it up during an injury crisis against .500 teams while Philly's padding their record against the cupcake lottery teams in the East. Think before you post next time.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

You barged into the thread, like an assclown, claiming Philly's bench was better when they've had the 2nd easiest schedule in the league. Compare that to SA who've played the 3rd hardest schedule WITHOUT their best player in Ginobili. So basically, SA's bench has stepped it up during an injury crisis against .500 teams while Philly's padding their record against the cupcake lottery teams in the East. Think before you post next time.

OWNED

[GOBB]

You barged into the thread, like an assclown, claiming Philly's bench was better when they've had the 2nd easiest schedule in the league. Compare that to SA who've played the 3rd hardest schedule WITHOUT their best player in Ginobili. So basically, SA's bench has stepped it up during an injury crisis against .500 teams while Philly's padding their record against the cupcake lottery teams in the East.

Same teams everyone has/will play. Keep it up with the schedule argument. Its weak.

[Artillery]

Same teams everyone has/will play

You'd have a point if it was May. Unfortunately for you, it's not. What SA's done, thus far, is more impressive considering their injuries AND opponents. It's not hard to look dominant when you're mostly playing sub-.500 teams like Philly has.

[GOBB]

You'd have a point if it was May. Unfortunately for you, it's not. What SA's done, thus far, is more impressive considering their injuries AND opponents. It's not hard to look dominant when you're mostly playing sub-.500 teams like Philly has.

Weak argument.

[Legend of Josh]

:roll:
Did you actually watch the games back in 2002-2003, seriously?

And nope, I hold no grudge against the Spurs and I believe my statement was meant to be neutral instead of offensive.

Yes, I watched the games, seriously. Why in the hell would you think I didn't? I'll never figure out why or what goes through some of your heads sometimes, because many of you are just coming out the woodwork with how you arrive, assume, land with some these odd, unless or WTF ideas/conclusions.

It wasn't even offensive. I think you're thinking too much into it, seriously.

=P

[TMT]

Same teams everyone has/will play. Keep it up with the schedule argument. Its weak.

It's not who you play in the schedule, it's when and in what order that makes the difference obviously.

[Artillery]

Weak argument.

Shitty poster.

Thus far, you've:

1. Entered a Spurs thread to prop up the Sixers. It's rare enough to see a Spurs thread on the general forum admist the thousand Lebron/Kobe/Laker/Heat threads yet even that's too much for you. Sad. Even worse, you instigate an argument(with no factual basis). If you're going to troll, try bringing some facts next time.

2. Schedule is relevant, especially when comparing the relative strength of two teams.

I'll bring the facts, since you've brought NOTHING to the argument. On first glance, the Sixers bench is quite good but not that far off from SA's according to Deff. Sixers are ranked 2nd here while Spurs are 3rd:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7017/benchp.jpg

BUT, when filtered to show the production against .500 opponents, Philly barely cracks the top ten while SA stays the same(meaning the Spurs are consistent while Philly only looks impressive against weaker competition):

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7406/bench500.jpg

It's still early in the season and Philly may improve, but right now, the hype is undeserved.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

gobb keeps getting owned again and again when will he learn :no:

[GOBB]

6gms vs 13...awesome measurement there kid. Weak.

[TMT]

6gms vs 13...awesome measurement there kid. Weak.

Just a bit of advice. Calling all opinions other than your own 'weak' isn't a very compelling argument.

[GOBB]

Just a bit of advice. Calling all opinions other than your own 'weak' isn't a very compelling argument.

Keep your advice since you selectively are passing it around. :confusedshrug:

[TMT]

Keep your advice since you selectively are passing it around. :confusedshrug:

Only give it to those who need it. You're the only person I see around who does at the moment.

[GOBB]

Only give it to those who need it. You're the only person I see around who does at the moment.

Your advice is weak. Stick it directly up your ass. :cheers:

[niko]

Diary of a knick fan :roll: :roll: :roll:
yes, im not a spurs fan, i don't post once a week begging about my team.

WE ARE SO UNDERRATED! LOOK AT US! :facepalm

[TMT]

Your advice is weak. Stick it directly up your ass. :cheers:

Your threats are weak.

[GOBB]

Your threats are weak.

6gms vs 13gms...awesome measurements there kid. Weak

[TMT]

In the comparison of beaten opponents, there's no question the Spurs have beat more quality teams. Most of the Sixers wins have come off weak opponents, not to mention beaten the Wiz three times already.

[Artillery]

6gms vs 13...awesome measurement there kid.

Meaning Sixers have only played 6 quality opponents compared to 13 for the Spurs. Thanks for proving my point about Philly's padded record though.


Weak.

Your argument was weak to begin with.

[GOBB]

You play what your schedule says. You cant control that. The Sixers bench has produced across the board. When MVP is decided the voters dont say of the candidates, lets see what thier stats say against teams above .500. The way the bench is producing, performing wont change none by seasons end. Lou and Thad will forever be 6th man candidates. Evan Turner has played better than last season. And this is a group that was really good last year. They're better this year. You want to believe the Spurs bench is better? Fine. I dont wear panties like you so they arent bunched up my ass. Sixers have the better bench in the NBA. Agree to disagree, something that is tough for you and TMT to swallow. :pimp:

[CLTHornets4eva]

I think the Spurs depth purely lies between Pop's ears. He's a genius.

[TMT]

You play what your schedule says. You cant control that. The Sixers bench has produced across the board. When MVP is decided the voters dont say of the candidates, lets see what thier stats say against teams above .500. The way the bench is producing, performing wont change none by seasons end. Lou and Thad will forever be 6th man candidates. Evan Turner has played better than last season. And this is a group that was really good last year. They're better this year. You want to believe the Spurs bench is better? Fine. I dont wear panties like you so they arent bunched up my ass. Sixers have the better bench in the NBA. Agree to disagree, something that is tough for you and TMT to swallow. :pimp:

So you are really impressed with, out of their 12 wins, 3 being against the Wizards, Warriors with no Monta, struggling Suns, Pistons, Hornets, Raptors, Kings and Bucks? Their only good wins have been against the Pacers and Hawks, two mediocre Eastern Conference teams. I don't get your logic when the Spurs have wins against the Clippers, Mavs, Magic, Blazers, Hawks and Nuggets this year, all of which without Ginobili other than the Clips game.

And just to throw in some comparisons:
Tiago Splitter - 21 mpg, 8ppg, 5 rpg, 1 apg, almost 1bpg, 63% FG
Thaddeus Young - 27 mpg, 12 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1 apg, 1.4 spg, 51% FG

Not much difference considering how Tiago doesn't get as many minutes as he should.

[GOBB]

So you are really impressed with, out of their 12 wins, 3 being against the Wizards, Warriors with no Monta, struggling Suns, Pistons, Hornets, Raptors, Kings and Bucks? Their only good wins have been against the Pacers and Hawks, two mediocre Eastern Conference teams. I don't get your logic when the Spurs have wins against the Clippers, Mavs, Magic, Blazers, Hawks and Nuggets this year, all of which without Ginobili other than the Clips game.

And just to throw in some comparisons:
Tiago Splitter - 21 mpg, 8ppg, 5 rpg, 1 apg, almost 1bpg, 63% FG
Thaddeus Young - 27 mpg, 12 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1 apg, 1.4 spg, 51% FG

Not much difference considering how Tiago doesn't get as many minutes as he should.

I dont get the logic behind discrediting the Sixers defeating the Hawks, then giving kudos to the Spurs for doing the same in the next sentence.

Of course its not much difference to you. Tell me is Tiago a good defender because Thaddeus Young has been playing All NBA defense so far this season. He probably leads the league in charges taken and his pick n roll defense is superb. But yeah not much difference if we stare at stats. Again, just going by your logic here.

[TMT]

I dont get the logic behind discrediting the Sixers defeating the Hawks, then giving kudos to the Spurs for doing the same in the next sentence.

Of course its not much difference to you. Tell me is Tiago a good defender because Thaddeus Young has been playing All NBA defense so far this season. He probably leads the league in charges taken and his pick n roll defense is superb. But yeah not much difference if we stare at stats. Again, just going by your logic here.

I said the Hawks was one of your only two good wins. :confusedshrug:
But dude, c'mon. The teams you beat are mostly garbage. You're going to credit your bench for playing great against such weak competition? Wait until you get to the rough patches of your schedule and see if you can win games when it matters.

[GOBB]

I look at the Orlando game and notice the Spurs won but after checking out the production from the bench? It makes me :confusedshrug:

I look at the LAC game and notice the Spurs won, but after checking out the production from the bench? It makes me :confusedshrug: again

Stats dont tell the whole story. I didnt see the games. So I'll let you tell their impact and how they get credit for the win.

Now I look at the Denver game with the Sixers? Where we didnt have Hawes (much like Spurs without Manu)?

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320118020

I see a bench provide over 50pts and other production from the bench. But Sixers lost that game. So they get slapped on the hand.

Now I dont understand that logic. Does anyone else? Eh, when someone figures that one out let me know.

[GOBB]

I said the Hawks was one of your only two good wins. :confusedshrug:
But dude, c'mon. The teams you beat are mostly garbage. You're going to credit your bench for playing great against such weak competition? Wait until you get to the rough patches of your schedule and see if you can win games when it matters.

Jan 30-Feb 10 is the roughest schedule of them all. Including Spurs, and Hawks the mediocre oh oh good team my bad which happens to be in Atlanta the 2nd game of a back to back.

I dont see why the wins-losses is a HUGE factor in bench production. Sixers bench produces. Does anyone elses? If so, stack em up.

[TMT]

I look at the Orlando game and notice the Spurs won but after checking out the production from the bench? It makes me :confusedshrug:

I look at the LAC game and notice the Spurs won, but after checking out the production from the bench? It makes me :confusedshrug: again

Stats dont tell the whole story. I didnt see the games. So I'll let you tell their impact and how they get credit for the win.

Now I look at the Denver game with the Sixers? Where we didnt have Hawes (much like Spurs without Manu)?

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320118020

I see a bench provide over 50pts and other production from the bench. But Sixers lost that game. So they get slapped on the hand.

Now I dont understand that logic. Does anyone else? Eh, when someone figures that one out let me know.

If you knew the state which this franchise is in then it would be obvious that our bench plays a significant role in every game. Duncan only plays 27 minutes a game, before Manu was out he was only averaging 23. Our young unproven guys are getting substantial minutes and getting results. Guys like Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green, Tiago Splitter have never seen this much time on an NBA court before and are being asked to produce at a high level. Where as most of the Sixers bench has resulted from high draft picks who have already spent a good amount of time in the league and know the ins and outs. Like you said, you can get 50 ppg from your bench and still lose. The fact that the Spurs are not at 100% like the Sixers have been (for the most part), and the Spurs have played better than them with a much tougher schedule should be enough to solidify my point.

Second off, you are comparing the Sixers without Hawes to the Spurs without Ginobili? :wtf: You are getting a little ahead of yourself here.

[TMT]

Jan 30-Feb 10 is the roughest schedule of them all. Including Spurs, and Hawks the mediocre oh oh good team my bad which happens to be in Atlanta the 2nd game of a back to back.

:oldlol: What I meant was they are a solid team with weapons, but are inconsistent and not to mention playing without their all-star center. Basically when they step on the floor these days you don't know what Hawks team you're going to see.


I dont see why the wins-losses is a HUGE factor in bench production. Sixers bench produces. Does anyone elses? If so, stack em up.

It does when you rely on your bench as much as San Antonio does. Which is the point I've been trying to make. Yeah Lou Williams, Thad Young your numbers look great but I want to see the Sixers play the big boys and see how they matchup.

[GOBB]

If you knew the state which this franchise is in then it would be obvious that our bench plays a significant role in every game. Duncan only plays 27 minutes a game, before Manu was out he was only averaging 23. Our young unproven guys are getting substantial minutes and getting results. Guys like Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green, Tiago Splitter have never seen this much time on an NBA court before and are being asked to produce at a high level. Where as most of the Sixers bench has resulted from high draft picks who have already spent a good amount of time in the league and know the ins and outs. Like you said, you can get 50 ppg from your bench and still lose. The fact that the Spurs are not at 100% like the Sixers have been (for the most part), and the Spurs have played better than them with a much tougher schedule should be enough to solidify my point.

Second off, you are comparing the Sixers without Hawes to the Spurs without Ginobili? :wtf: You are getting a little ahead of yourself here.

So now th Spurs bench is better besudes guys havent seen much time in the NBA and are asked to produce at a high level vs the Sixers resulting from high draft picks which spent a good amount of time in the NBA. :roll:

There you go again.

Sixers bench too plays a significant role in every game. Wow, both teams benches have something in common. :eek: Only until TMT finds something else to counter with to discredit what each have in common. :(

I cited two games from teams that you classified as good wins and asked you...what did the bench do? Boxscore doesnt read like it was productive, but again I didnt see the game. So I let you tell it, and well you havent thus far. Maybe they do things that dont show up in the boxscore, especially those games? YOU the Spurs fan, let me know. Because the bench gets credit for those two wins vs LAC and Orlando Magic and me being an outsider who didnt see the game? I question that.

*fixes up the platform for you to explain what I'm asking*

Spencer Hawes has been a big part of the Sixers team as we lack depth in terms of big men. Sixers bigs are Hawes, Brand, Tony Battie (vet minimum guy) and rookie Nikola Vucevic. Hawes goes down, isnt that much different than Spurs losing Manu. This isnt comparing who is the better player. Its saying what each team relies on, and by losing that piece how does it affect the team. Losing Hawes and having to go Battie or rookie is a significant loss. Hawes also helps the half court sets because he can pass the ball as well as pick n pop, and slide open to hit that 16 footer. So losing that and replacing him with either Battie or Vucevic is huge.

But I'm getting a little ahead of myself right? Pretty sure you'd take that statement back after this brief breakdown. :rolleyes:

[GOBB]

It does when you rely on your bench as much as San Antonio does. Which is the point I've been trying to make. Yeah Lou Williams, Thad Young your numbers look great but I want to see the Sixers play the big boys and see how they matchup.

We'll agree to disagree here then.

Jan 30-Feb 10, 7gm stretch of big boys. Magic, Bulls, Heat, Hawks, Lakers, Clippers, Spurs.

We'll revisit and see how you feel about the Sixers bench after this stretch.

Sidenote: I have to hit the sack, night

[TMT]

So now th Spurs bench is better besudes guys havent seen much time in the NBA and are asked to produce at a high level vs the Sixers resulting from high draft picks which spent a good amount of time in the NBA. :roll:

There you go again.

Don't know if you are reading what I'm saying incorrectly or if switching my words is the only way you can find a way to respond. But I'm saying the new guys for the Spurs who have never seen legit playing time in the NBA (like Splitter and Green) are the guys who are producing for us just as well as your high draft picks such as Thad Young and Evan Turner. Don't get what's so hard to understand about that?


Sixers bench too plays a significant role in every game. Wow, both teams benches have something in common. :eek: Only until TMT finds something else to counter with to discredit what each have in common. :(

Don't recall saying they didn't. But from my perspective, the Spurs use their bench in a more unique way than any other team because of their situation of aging stars, injuries, and condensed schedule. Basically if our bench can't keep us in the game we struggle tremendously. Yes, I'm sure that is the same situation with your Sixers but like I said before they have had one of the easiest schedules in the league so far and truely need to be tested before being hyped up so much.


I cited two games from teams that you classified as good wins and asked you...what did the bench do? Boxscore doesnt read like it was productive, but again I didnt see the game. So I let you tell it, and well you havent thus far. Maybe they do things that dont show up in the boxscore, especially those games? YOU the Spurs fan, let me know. Because the bench gets credit for those two wins vs LAC and Orlando Magic and me being an outsider who didnt see the game? I question that.

Obviously we don't have guys who's numbers jump off the stat sheet. But while being quiet on the stats, guys like Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard and Tiago Splitter are all put under tremendous pressure to produce defensively. Green and Leonard are put on the opposing team's best perimeter player from game to game and Tiago has to be protecting the rim at a top notch level to come out victorious. As most NBA fans know, there is a great deal of the game that happens away from the stat sheet. So you throwing me box scores of specific games this season and demanding to know how our bench led to this win isn't the best way to get your answers.


Spencer Hawes has been a big part of the Sixers team as we lack depth in terms of big men. Sixers bigs are Hawes, Brand, Tony Battie (vet minimum guy) and rookie Nikola Vucevic. Hawes goes down, isnt that much different than Spurs losing Manu. This isnt comparing who is the better player. Its saying what each team relies on, and by losing that piece how does it affect the team. Losing Hawes and having to go Battie or rookie is a significant loss. Hawes also helps the half court sets because he can pass the ball as well as pick n pop, and slide open to hit that 16 footer. So losing that and replacing him with either Battie or Vucevic is huge.

But I'm getting a little ahead of myself right? Pretty sure you'd take that statement back after this brief breakdown. :rolleyes:

Yeah I get it. Hawes is a big blow, but no where near a as big a blow as Ginobili out with a broken hand. The guy at this point is our most threatening offensive weapon, best playmaker, and the guy with the ball in his hand at the end of games. So, yeah, I'd say you are getting ahead of yourself. But seeing as you are biased I don't believe you will be seeing eye to eye with me on this. :oldlol:

[Wonder Bread Kid]

yes, im not a spurs fan, i don't post once a week begging about my team.

WE ARE SO UNDERRATED! LOOK AT US! :facepalm

Why would any Knicks fan want to post?

"Boy our team blows."

"Damn, we suck hard."

"Knicks, Y U NO GOOD?"

Those would fill the front page if Knicks fans had the courage to post.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

I look at the Orlando game and notice the Spurs won but after checking out the production from the bench? It makes me :confusedshrug:

I look at the LAC game and notice the Spurs won, but after checking out the production from the bench? It makes me :confusedshrug: again

Stats dont tell the whole story. I didnt see the games. So I'll let you tell their impact and how they get credit for the win.

Now I look at the Denver game with the Sixers? Where we didnt have Hawes (much like Spurs without Manu)?

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320118020

I see a bench provide over 50pts and other production from the bench. But Sixers lost that game. So they get slapped on the hand.

Now I dont understand that logic. Does anyone else? Eh, when someone figures that one out let me know.

Did you bother to look at the Spurs-Nuggets game?

Did you happen to see the Spurs bench got contributions from 6 bench players that night.

The Sixers against the same Denver team got 4 bench players to contribute.

So please enlighten us how you use a SA-LAC game to analyze our bench, our second game of the season btw, when Green got no play, Tiago saw limited minutes and mostly played garbage time, and Kawhi was playing his fourth NBA game ever.

Seems fair... :rolleyes:

Or did you do that so you didn't have to acknowledge that the Spurs showed off deeper and better bench production against the Nuggets than what the Sixers were able to do against the same team.

P.S.

No one cares about you hyping up your team.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

:rolleyes:

Yeah production is inflated. Sixers play the same teams everyone else does. Come up with a different argument clown. And the Sixers bench is the same as last season for the most part. And it was regarded as one of the best benches in the NBA.

Seriously, that was the best retort your peanut size brain could muster up?

Fact: Sixers haven't played the same teams everyone else has.

Inflated is the word that best describes how to gauge your teams performance thus far.

As if beating the Wiz three times is some major accomplishment. Maybe in the Atlantic division it is and maybe in win starved Philadelphia it is but in the NBA, that's like robbing a 4 year old of their candy on Halloween. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

Don't recall saying they didn't. But from my perspective, the Spurs use their bench in a more unique way than any other team because of their situation of aging stars, injuries, and condensed schedule. Basically if our bench can't keep us in the game we struggle tremendously. Yes, I'm sure that is the same situation with your Sixers but like I said before they have had one of the easiest schedules in the league so far and truely need to be tested before being hyped up so much.

Sixers bench doesnt need to be tested. They've been there, done that LAST SEASON. Your words...

Where as most of the Sixers bench has resulted from high draft picks who have already spent a good amount of time in the league and know the ins and outs.

The bench doesnt need to be tested to be productive. They already are.


Obviously we don't have guys who's numbers jump off the stat sheet. But while being quiet on the stats, guys like Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard and Tiago Splitter are all put under tremendous pressure to produce defensively. Green and Leonard are put on the opposing team's best perimeter player from game to game and Tiago has to be protecting the rim at a top notch level to come out victorious. As most NBA fans know, there is a great deal of the game that happens away from the stat sheet. So you throwing me box scores of specific games this season and demanding to know how our bench led to this win isn't the best way to get your answers.

You obviously fail and reading and comprehension. I asked you to explain what role the bench played for you to credit them with the win dispite lack of production looking at the boxscore. I even said I didnt see the game, so I dont know. But I will let YOU tell the story of those two games vs two good teams where the bench production was...lacking. So dispite the "stats" not being present, they did things away from the boxscore as you suggest. Yet I'm FED STATS by another poster to support how the Spurs bench produces. Interesting stuff if I say so. You guys didnt depend on the bench those games to produce, just defend. I follow. And since the Spurs won, credit goes to the bench dispite the starters actually being the bread winners production wise.

A better question is what criteria does it take for a bench to be considered the bench. Seems you and other Spurs fan (coinicidence? nah) place much weight in wins-loss, whereas I place it in production. No I dont ignore wins-loss, but I keep it in perspective. Also whats lost by simply studying "stats" is impact in a game. That could involve stats or stuff that isnt calculated by stats. Sixers bench in the Denver game is what kept them IN the game to begin with. That doesnt show up in boxscore, that shows up either in an article written up by a game recap or a fan explaining it to someone who didnt see the actual game.

You want to see the bench vs "quality" opponents. The bench will still be productive. The bench will still have guys leading scoring, being that offensive spark plug in a game at a critical time, playing quality defense. But that will instantly be LOST on you IF the Sixers lose. Thats my issue with you putting so much stock in wins-losses.


Yeah I get it. Hawes is a big blow, but no where near a as big a blow as Ginobili out with a broken hand. The guy at this point is our most threatening offensive weapon, best playmaker, and the guy with the ball in his hand at the end of games. So, yeah, I'd say you are getting ahead of yourself. But seeing as you are biased I don't believe you will be seeing eye to eye with me on this. :oldlol:

You havent watched the Sixers much with Hawes and without. How can you honestly judge? You cant. :confusedshrug:

And playing the biased card is silly. You are biased as well. Something we both have in common or we wouldnt be arguing who has the better bench. I guess saying someone is biased is filler for your post. No substance, just throw it in there.

We can agree to disagree, because there are other teams who feel THEY have the best bench. If I can say anything, its that the best bench in the NBA is an arguable discussion.

[GOBB]

I don't care what anyone's opinion on anything is, least of all yours.

Liar liar pants on fire! :no:

[niko]

Liar liar pants on fire! :no:
Give it up, Spurs are underrated. THey'll never stop. Their bench/role players are all stars/future stars until they are not (remember Mahimi's two minutes on SA? George Hill future star? Splitter who they are getting a hard on he plays 20 minutes a game now? Jefferson acquisition?)

And if you roll your eyes you are biased. That's the way it is. :confusedshrug:

[niko]

Why would any Knicks fan want to post?

"Boy our team blows."

"Damn, we suck hard."

"Knicks, Y U NO GOOD?"

Those would fill the front page if Knicks fans had the courage to post.
i don't post threads pumping up my Knicks when we are playing bad. I think i have on thread on the Knicks in the last few weeks, which basically asks for my coach to get fired because we are sucking. When the Spurs have role players not sucking in their roles, you post threads asking for props.

Find me where i am trolling Knicks hard or else just go back to your circle jerk over how great the Spurs are.

[GOBB]

Give it up, Spurs are underrated. THey'll never stop. Their bench/role players are all stars/future stars until they are not (remember Mahimi's two minutes on SA? George Hill future star? Splitter who they are getting a hard on he plays 20 minutes a game now? Jefferson acquisition?)

And if you roll your eyes you are biased. That's the way it is. :confusedshrug:

So true and hell yes I remember the bold. :oldlol:

[TMT]

:facepalm Oh wow.
Will respond to this nonsense when I have the time.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

i don't post threads pumping up my Knicks when we are playing bad. I think i have on thread on the Knicks in the last few weeks, which basically asks for my coach to get fired because we are sucking. When the Spurs have role players not sucking in their roles, you post threads asking for props.

Find me where i am trolling Knicks hard or else just go back to your circle jerk over how great the Spurs are.

Knicks won't even make the playoffs what a sorry state you're franchise is in. Almost feel sorry for knick fans. Almost....

[GOBB]

:facepalm Oh wow.
Will respond to this nonsense when I have the time.

Just a bit of advice. Calling all opinions other than your own 'nonesense' isn't a very compelling argument.

[Kujo]

Splitter has been a nice fantasy pick up.

Spurs finally giving him consistent minutes. He's starting to show what earned him a high praise in Euro league.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

Splitter has been a nice fantasy pick up.

Spurs finally giving him consistent minutes. He's starting to show what earned him a high praise in Euro league.

yah splitter is straight up beastin if he doesnt start to get 25+ minutes someone is gonna take pops head off

[chazzy]

Mega Bump

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Yeah, like I said, severely underrated.


P.S.

Suck a d!ck GOBB.

[TMT]

Green, Anderson, Splitter, Neal played out of their minds tonight. A certain ginger had his moments but honestly I still don't see why he plays so many minutes. Despite losing tonight I see it as a win-win. Rest the starters, continue to grow young talent.

[MavsPoke]

Mega Bump

lol....

F the Spurs bench.:rant

Except James Anderson. He's my boy.

F the rest of them and Pop!

But this thread was funny to read. A classic.

[bdreason]

After tonight I'm starting to think the Spurs bench is better than their starters. :oldlol:

[rmt]

After tonight I'm starting to think the Spurs bench is better than their starters. :oldlol:

Considering that their starters are a rookie (Leonard), undersized Blair and that good-for-nothing RJ (well, 3pters in the regular season) with TD being so old and slooooow, yes.

[Poodle]

i'll say it now, but i love Danny Green. i swear he has star potential. if he played on NJ right now he'd be a lot more known, or really anywhere where he was getting a full 30 min's and shots. his athleticism is explosive. he's so underrated since he gets so few minutes and not many shots, but i'd invest in him if i could if he were a stock. or i'd try to steal him from the spurs somehow if i were another team rebuilding...

[niko]

Why would any Knicks fan want to post?

"Boy our team blows."

"Damn, we suck hard."

"Knicks, Y U NO GOOD?"

Those would fill the front page if Knicks fans had the courage to post.
All of this i'd take more seriously if not called an idiot because i said Richard Jefferson was not the piece to take you to a title or that any one of your bench pieces was not a future HOF level player.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

All of this i'd take more seriously if not called an idiot because i said Richard Jefferson was not the piece to take you to a title or that any one of your bench pieces was not a future HOF level player.

Yes, I'm sure that happened somewhere in your head.

[MooseJuiceBowen]

All of this i'd take more seriously if not called an idiot because i said Richard Jefferson was not the piece to take you to a title or that any one of your bench pieces was not a future HOF level player.
here is niko crying in a spurs thread again what a suprise!!!!!!!

[niko]

Yes, I'm sure that happened somewhere in your head.
-Richard Jefferson is the missing piece to a Spurs title.
-Mahimi is a future all star. (My favorite personally as he scored like 9 pts total in about 10 minutes and then was released).
-Blair is a future all star.
-George Hill is the second coming. (Note: He was traded, so he's not anymore.)
-Tiago Splitter is the greatest thing ever.
-Tiago Splitter is now averaging 20 minutes a game and fulfilling his role as greatest thing ever.

I'm 100% sure you've started more or all of these threads too.

And don't tell me "Niko thinks", no Niko does not think every Knick is the greatest thing ever. Niko doesn't make threads raving about marginal role players on his team and complaining everyone does not agree. I'm not a Spurs fan, that's your shtick.

[Droid101]

I think the better statement is "Spurs starters are severely overrated."

They play well when they bench their starters.

[GOBB]

Sixers bench vs the Orlando Magic. I dont hear you tho Wonder Woman? Must be saving a young female experiencing her first period. :confusedshrug:

[Wonder Bread Kid]

-Richard Jefferson is the missing piece to a Spurs title.
-Mahimi is a future all star. (My favorite personally as he scored like 9 pts total in about 10 minutes and then was released).
-Blair is a future all star.
-George Hill is the second coming. (Note: He was traded, so he's not anymore.)
-Tiago Splitter is the greatest thing ever.
-Tiago Splitter is now averaging 20 minutes a game and fulfilling his role as greatest thing ever.

I'm 100% sure you've started more or all of these threads too.

Please find those threads and then link each one in this thread. I'll wait...

I like how that list started somewhat realistic then dove into the outer limits of sanity or as we all call it, Niko's thought process.

Again, please find those threads that I never started.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Sixers bench vs the Orlando Magic. I dont hear you tho Wonder Woman? Must be saving a young female experiencing her first period. :confusedshrug:

31 points versus a team that is making the Wizards look like the Dream team? :oldlol:

Really GOBB, you thought that performance was worthy of that post?

I'm trying to figure you out? You seek the same thing you are seemingly denouncing and utterly cantankerous towards.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

I think the better statement is "Spurs starters are severely overrated."

They play well when they bench their starters.

Considering we're down our best player, the starters have played admirably.

[GOBB]

31 points versus a team that is making the Wizards look like the Dream team? :oldlol:

Really GOBB, you thought that performance was worthy of that post?

I'm trying to figure you out? You seek the same thing you are seemingly denouncing and utterly cantankerous towards.

Sixers bench vs Orlando Magic. What Orlando is no longer a good team? You complained about the bench performance vs bad teams and how stats are "inflated". Now it was vs the Magic, and their defensive anchor Dwight Howard. And its excuses. :roll:

You trying to figure me out? Press pause and try to figure out your nutty argument first clown.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Sixers bench vs Orlando Magic. What Orlando is no longer a good team? You complained about the bench performance vs bad teams and how stats are "inflated". Now it was vs the Magic, and their defensive anchor Dwight Howard. And its excuses. :roll:

You trying to figure me out? Press pause and try to figure out your nutty argument first clown.

So you're telling me the Magic are a good team? The team that has average 74 points a game in the last four games? The team that scored 56 against the sub par Celtics?

I don't get it, what world do you live in were every opponent the Sixers beat is a contender? At least own up to the fact that these teams are crap. I wouldn't brag about our bench killing the Suns or Warriors. They're sorry teams, bottom line.

And 31 points from the bench, you brag about? :facepalm

I'd say grow up but I fear you are an adult who believes these irrationalities. If that's the case, I have a better shot at making a turtle moo than knocking sense into that rock you call a brain.

[GOBB]

So you're telling me the Magic are a good team? The team that has average 74 points a game in the last four games? The team that scored 56 against the sub par Celtics?

I don't get it, what world do you live in were every opponent the Sixers beat is a contender? At least own up to the fact that these teams are crap. I wouldn't brag about our bench killing the Suns or Warriors. They're sorry teams, bottom line.

And 31 points from the bench, you brag about? :facepalm

I'd say grow up but I fear you are an adult who believes these irrationalities. If that's the case, I have a better shot at making a turtle moo than knocking sense into that rock you call a brain.

Start with bold. Where did I say that? Quote it for me. If you cant, why make up things? What world are you in? Damn you're so easy to own.

Anyway, yes Orlando is a good team. Thats the whole point. You say Sixers beat up on bad teams. I show a game of a good team where Sixers won and the Night Watch (bench) did its thing. You say "Orlando is bad." :roll:

Up next we have Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, Lakers, Spurs, Clippers.

If Sixers win, it was to a bad team.
If Sixers lose, it was to a good team

Lets hope Sixers dont beat the Spurs. I'd hate for you to tell me what world am I in where Spurs are actually...good. :rolleyes:


Sideote: Please dont play this fake ass maturity card. We're both adults, yet one adult told the other...


I don't care what anyone's opinion on anything is, least of all yours.

Yet here you are with NUMEROUS posts responding/replying (most of which I ignored) to my opinion. So which is it? you care or you dont care? Maybe you will answer after you find out what world you actually live in...clown.


And I dont need to pull up threads, do searches to prove any of what I've said. Its ALL in this very thread. So you dont have to travel to outerspace even tho your thoughts are from there.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Start with bold. Where did I say that? Quote it for me. If you cant, why make up things? What world are you in? Damn you're so easy to own.

The fact that you challenge every time I've questioned an opponent you're Sixers have beaten. Obviously my comment bordered on exaggerated sarcasm. But why should I expect you to be smart enough to get that.

And the fact that you use the term "own" just illustrates your age range or mental capacity.


Anyway, yes Orlando is a good team. Thats the whole point. You say Sixers beat up on bad teams. I show a game of a good team where Sixers won and the Night Watch (bench) did its thing. You say "Orlando is bad." :roll:

Orlando of the past couple of weeks is a good team? Seriously, this is were your delusional blindness comes into play.


Up next we have Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, Lakers, Spurs, Clippers.

So the Sixers are off easy street now, huh?

What happens if they go 3-3 or 2-4 or 1-5?


If Sixers win, it was to a bad team.
If Sixers lose, it was to a good team

Nope, beat the good teams, they're good teams. Beat the bad teams, they're bad. It's that simple.



Lets hope Sixers dont beat the Spurs. I'd hate for you to tell me what world am I in where Spurs are actually...good. :rolleyes:


I should throw it in your face when the Spurs win but I'm not 12.


Sideote: Please dont play this fake ass maturity card. We're both adults, yet one adult told the other...


Do you live in another country where 15 is the adult age?



Yet here you are with NUMEROUS posts responding/replying (most of which I ignored) to my opinion. So which is it? you care or you dont care? Maybe you will answer after you find out what world you actually live in...clown.

I'm pretty sure you came into my thread with your immature Philly BS. :facepalm



And I dont need to pull up threads, do searches to prove any of what I've said. Its ALL in this very thread. So you dont have to travel to outerspace even tho your thoughts are from there.

I talked about Jefferson being the missing piece to a title in a thread praising the Spurs bench?

I talked about a former Spurs player (Hill) in a thread praising our current bench?

Does your idiocy not no any boundaries?

If you're truly an adult, truly a "man", then get the hell out of my thread with your senseless Philly bs.

[DKLaker]

Me Sleeping on the Spurs :sleeping :sleeping
Sleeping on their bench :sleeping :sleeping
Snoring and drooling while I do both :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

Spurs fans after another 1st round exit :violin:

[GOBB]

:cry: .

:roll:

[TMT]

Me Sleeping on the Spurs :sleeping :sleeping
Sleeping on their bench :sleeping :sleeping
Snoring and drooling while I do both :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

Spurs fans after another 1st round exit :violin:

Sleeping is what our main guys are all doing, atleast until Pop wakes them up for the playoffs. You think Duncan, Pop are going for every W? Nah. Tony Parker doesn't even seem to be going all out, for the most part he's just setting up the team (averaging the most points of his career). Manu could be back mid Feb, but Pop is probably going to sit him out until possibly March. Why? Because ultimately the regular season doesn't mean to much for this team. And when it does too much (last year= 2nd best record, injuries) you see a result like you did last playoffs. I'm sure Pop wouldn't care about getting a 7th or 8th seed, as long as we make the playoffs. Once we are there, that's when Pop will put all the pieces in the right place and see if, with the talent we have, we can make a nice run.

We get it, you underestimate us. We've heard this for years now since we won it all in '07. Yes were at the end of a dynasty, but that's why we are playing the way we are and why our bench is making such an impact. We're doing it Pop's way and honestly I can't say any other head coach in this league is more fit to do the most he can with this roster than Greg Popovich.

In Pop we Trust.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

:roll:

I guess.

Got that all out of your system kid?

Back to the subject on hand, finally.

[GOBB]

Sixers bench rises to the occasion vs the Bulls. :pimp:

[niko]

Sixers bench rises to the occasion vs the Bulls. :pimp:
How can you say the bulls are playing well? They are no rockets! :lol

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Sixers bench rises to the occasion vs the Bulls. :pimp:

I'm trying to figure out why you felt the need to post this. Is it some kind of insecurity? Maybe a inferiority complex.

I mean, you're the one who came in here with your "Sixers bench > Spurs bench" nonsense as if the title of the post or the original post has anything to do with comparing the two.

Where it said "Spurs depth is severely underrated" you saw "Spurs bench > Sixers bench".

One can only infer that you may have an inferiority complex. I mean, the context of the thread had nothing to do with benches or insulting the Sixers but you couldn't help it, could you.

I get that you're nothing more than a glorified homer who trolls the forum. 49,000 posts since ISH went from EZ Board to Vbulletin. Kind of sad.

But congrats on finally beating a quality opponent.

Now GTFO.

[TMT]

Sixers bench rises to the occasion vs the Bulls. :pimp:

You're just oozing with hate, aren't ya? :oldlol:

Best win of the season for the Sixers. By far, keep it up. I actually want to see All-Star on the Sixers that isn't Allen Iverson.

[GOBB]

You're just oozing with hate, aren't ya? :oldlol:

Best win of the season for the Sixers. By far, keep it up. I actually want to see All-Star on the Sixers that isn't Allen Iverson.

What am I hating on? :confusedshrug:

Just saying Sixers bench is legit, they are forreal. You said you wanted to see them play a good team, well we've played two.

[TMT]

What am I hating on? :confusedshrug:

Just saying Sixers bench is legit, they are forreal. You said you wanted to see them play a good team, well we've played two.

Coming back in the Spurs' bench thread to continue to hype the Sixers. Don't try and act like you aren't trying to continually stick it to us Spurs fans. :oldlol:

Yeah and Congrats on your two games against actual tough opponents, but try having them several times a week instead of twice since Christmas.

[GOBB]

Coming back in the Spurs' bench thread to continue to hype the Sixers. Don't try and act like you aren't trying to continually stick it to us Spurs fans. :oldlol:

Want to know why I keep coming back in this thread?


Yeah and Congrats on your two games against actual tough opponents, but try having them several times a week instead of twice since Christmas.

This is why. Cant give credit. Such a shame.

[TMT]

Want to know why I keep coming back in this thread?



This is why. Cant give credit. Such a shame.

aw, you just want our approval and admiration. :lol

I give credit where credit is due, such as your record and current top 3 standing in the East. Your strength of schedule however is one of, if not the most, forgiving schedule of any team in the league. Yes the number of wins looks good on a young team with no true star, but ill be extremely shocked if you guys finish with a top 4 seed. But if you don't I can't see you getting out of the first round.

[Droid101]

aw, you just want our approval and admiration. :lol

I give credit where credit is due, such as your record and current top 3 standing in the East. Your strength of schedule however is one of, if not the most, forgiving schedule of any team in the league. Yes the number of wins looks good on a young team with no true star, but ill be extremely shocked if you guys finish with a top 4 seed. But if you don't I can't see you getting out of the first round.
There have been 38 teams in N.B.A. history with a point differential of at least plus-10.0 points a game through their first 18 games. The median winning percentage of those teams was .753, which translates to 49.7 wins over a 66-game season. Additionally, 24 of those teams advanced to the N.B.A. finals, with 19 claiming the championship.

In short, mediocre teams do not go on extended runs in which they routinely outscored opponents by double-digit margins. If history serves as a guide, Philadelphia is a contender.

[Clippersfan86]

There have been 38 teams in N.B.A. history with a point differential of at least plus-10.0 points a game through their first 18 games. The median winning percentage of those teams was .753, which translates to 49.7 wins over a 66-game season. Additionally, 24 of those teams advanced to the N.B.A. finals, with 19 claiming the championship.

In short, mediocre teams do not go on extended runs in which they routinely outscored opponents by double-digit margins. If history serves as a guide, Philadelphia is a contender.

I see both sides. They will finish with a top 4 seed most likely at this rate... but even GOBB admits they are a 1st or 2nd round exit team. They don't appear (at least yet) to have the talent to win titles or conference finals.

[TMT]

There have been 38 teams in N.B.A. history with a point differential of at least plus-10.0 points a game through their first 18 games. The median winning percentage of those teams was .753, which translates to 49.7 wins over a 66-game season. Additionally, 24 of those teams advanced to the N.B.A. finals, with 19 claiming the championship.

In short, mediocre teams do not go on extended runs in which they routinely outscored opponents by double-digit margins. If history serves as a guide, Philadelphia is a contender.

I don't see at all how those stats matter when you consider how extremely weak their schedule has been, which has been my main point if anyone decides to read my posts before replying to them.

Coming from a Guy who's team has about a 1 percent chance of winning it all this year: the Sixers are not contenders.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

There have been 38 teams in N.B.A. history with a point differential of at least plus-10.0 points a game through their first 18 games. The median winning percentage of those teams was .753, which translates to 49.7 wins over a 66-game season. Additionally, 24 of those teams advanced to the N.B.A. finals, with 19 claiming the championship.

In short, mediocre teams do not go on extended runs in which they routinely outscored opponents by double-digit margins. If history serves as a guide, Philadelphia is a contender.

The Sixers have had the second easiest strength of schedule. Only the Knicks have had an easier schedule thus far.

Spurs have had the third toughest SOS.

[GOBB]

aw, you just want our approval and admiration. :lol

Hardly.


I give credit where credit is due, such as your record and current top 3 standing in the East. Your strength of schedule however is one of, if not the most, forgiving schedule of any team in the league. Yes the number of wins looks good on a young team with no true star, but ill be extremely shocked if you guys finish with a top 4 seed. But if you don't I can't see you getting out of the first round.

Has nothing to do with the bench, but thanks for your thought on the Sixers team. :confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

The Sixers have had the second easiest strength of schedule. Only the Knicks have had an easier schedule thus far.

Did you know that blowing out bad teams consistently is more important in predicting who will win a championship, than the close victories over good teams?

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Hardly.

The fact you came into this thread unprovoked with your first post as well as continue to come in here with the same "look at us, look at us" bs, speaks to the fact otherwise.

If you're that hard up on people appreciating your bench or team or whatever, go start a thread about it and stop pretending not to care in this one.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Did you know that blowing out bad teams consistently is more important in predicting who will win a championship, than the close victories over good teams?

Did you just ignore the fact that the Sixers have had the second easiest schedule so far?

I think it's cute you think the Sixers are title contenders, I do, but maybe take that talk to a Sixers related thread. Huh? :facepalm

[TMT]

Hardly.



Has nothing to do with the bench, but thanks for your thought on the Sixers team. :confusedshrug:

Was a joke bro.. lighten up.

Bench are part of the Sixers team, are they not? Don't know why you can't respond because I didn't refer to their bench? Well according to you their bench is their damn team, so what seems to be the problem here? :lol

Aren't you doing the same by talking about your team?


Just saying Sixers bench is legit, they are forreal. You said you wanted to see them play a good team, well we've played two.

Not going to let me chime in, eh? Interesting strategy. Gonna be tough to beat that one.

[Droid101]

Did you just ignore the fact that the Sixers have had the second easiest schedule so far?

I think it's cute you think the Sixers are title contenders, I do, but maybe take that talk to a Sixers related thread. Huh? :facepalm
I never said anything, I just quoted an article I saw.

But, looking at the history of the NBA, teams that consistently blow out bad teams turn out to be contenders.

That's all. :confusedshrug:

[TMT]

I never said anything, I just quoted an article I saw.

But, looking at the history of the NBA, teams that consistently blow out bad teams turn out to be contenders.

That's all. :confusedshrug:

Beating crappy/alright teams makes you a good team.
Beating the best/top teams in the league makes you a GREAT team and a CONTENDER.

Thought that was common knowledge. Bottom line, Sixers have hardly been tested, and no one should disagree on that.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

I never said anything, I just quoted an article I saw.

But, looking at the history of the NBA, teams that consistently blow out bad teams turn out to be contenders.

That's all. :confusedshrug:

However you want to spin it. Just get it out of this thread. Thx.

[GOBB]

:blah .

Bottomline, the argument against the Sixers bench being the best was "schedule". Its a weak argument to me because the Sixers bench has performed and produced for the Sixers last year, this year and the past 2 games vs what I'm told are "good teams". No one has to see the bench performn against good teams to be sold on the bench when its faced good teams last year. And its relatively the same unit this season. What the bench did vs the good teams was no different than vs bad teammates. Hence why I value the production of a bench moreso than "wins-losses" because as I pointed out? The Spurs bench didnt produce nothing in games, yet it won vs a good team. So what happened? It must have said screw points, rebounds, assists we'll play lockdown defense the stuff that doesnt show up in boxscores? Thats why I dont put a great deal into the wins-loss. I dont ignore it. But I value how a bench performs for the most part.

Sixers bench does that. And no one should need to see it vs good teams to say they are arguably the best bench in the NBA. Its that simple. I feel the Sixers are the best, but acknowledge Spurs, Mavs, Bulls have really good benches as well.

[GOBB]

It emphasizes that the Sixers bench plays in the weak as sh!t east so their "production" is greatly inflated.

One of the reasons I throw the bench production out there. Want to see if its inflated after beating Orlando and Chicago.

[TMT]

^ Didn't read since you didn't bother to read my posts obviously.
Since when did this stop being a Spurs thread?

[GOBB]

^ Didn't read since you didn't bother to read mine obviously.
Since when did this stop being a Spurs thread?

When you're Spurs fans got butt hurt over "Sixers bench > Spurs bench".

Of course you read my post. Why lie? I read yours so there is no need to pretend "I didnt read yours hmph". You're fooling who?

[TMT]

I'm not hurt. Just trying to have actual intellectual basketball conversations over here. Something I'm unable to do with you constantly posting in this thread off topic. Y'kno I really enjoy when other people can actually base their responses off what others say. With you I feel like you don't seem to read at all, rather just post what you have on your mind in some sort of attack mode you have backed into :confusedshrug:

If you don't want to discuss basketball with your peers in a mannered way, why are you here?

Make a Sixers bench thread if you please, but can you let do our thing?



Of course you read my post. Why lie? I read yours so there is no need to pretend "I didnt read yours hmph". You're fooling who?

Um, no I really didn't read. :lol

[GOBB]

I'm not hurt.

Wasnt saying you were. Your fellow fans.


Just trying to have actual intellectual basketball conversations over here. Something I'm unable to do with you constantly posting in this thread off topic. Y'kno I really enjoy when other people can actually base their responses off what others say. With you I feel like you don't seem to read at all, rather just post what you have on your mind in some sort of attack mode you have backed into :confusedshrug:

If you don't want to discuss basketball with your peers in a mannered way, why are you here?

Lecture Wonder Bread, not me.


Make a Sixers bench thread if you please, but can you let do our thing?

I did that.

[TMT]

Lecture Wonder Bread, not me.

My dude, as shocking as this may be to believe... you may need to listen to it more than he does. Really hard to hold a simple basketball conversation the way you respond and attack other members.



I did that.

What a good boy.

[GOBB]

My dude, as shocking as this may be to believe... you may need to listen to it more than he does. Really hard to hold a simple basketball conversation the way you respond and attack other members.

Its really not hard. Dont get so offended, bent out of shape. If what I say doesnt apply to you, dont reply. We're not trying to figure out a calculus problem here. If you really felt this way and wanted to drop some advice, it could have been done much earlier. You're not exactly new. I dont recall ever having an issue with you here. And there will not be one in the future. The way I view Wonder Bread, is not how I view you. You're cool in my book.


What a good boy.

This is something you'll end up thinking "I should edit that out.".