Why is anyone against gay marriage?

[SlayerEnraged]

Why is anyone against gay marriage? I'm not gay but it's silly to me that anyone could oppose it. First, Doesn't every1 have equal rights? Secondly, why do u care if they get married? It's not like they're gonna invite you to their wedding or something like that..

[Draz]

I don't care either. People should respect their values just like they respect yours. I just do think though, that it is extremely disgusting. However, I can't take away a human beings free will to love, or do what they want.

[-p.tiddy-]

Marriage is viewed as religious by nature and it goes against many religions...probably every religion

I am not relgious but I can understand a church being offended at a gay couple being married under God in thier church


they should just label it something other than marraige...label it a "partnership" or something...and make sure they get the church's permission to wed inside

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I am not against btw

[Draz]

It first starts with men and men.. then it leads to men and animals.. that's when New York will be the idiot state to legalize animal marriage :lol

[Hazard]

It first starts with men and men.. then it leads to men and animals.. that's when New York will be the idiot state to legalize animal marriage :lol
How would an animal say I do?

[B-Low]

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[mlh1981]

Classic political issue to get the bible belt fired up at election time.

[Rnbizzle]

http://www.commonsensedemocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/wpid-Photo-Jan-25-2012-752-AM.jpg
Exactly.

[Crystallas]

The government shouldn't be able to legally define what any couple calls themselves, nor should it involve itself into the bedrooms of consulting adults.

[N0Skillz]

Marriage is viewed as religious by nature and it goes against many religions...probably every religion

I am not relgious but I can understand a church being offended at a gay couple being married under God in thier church


they should just label it something other than marraige...label it a "partnership" or something...and make sure they get the church's permission to wed inside

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I am not against btw


:facepalm :facepalm They want to be married under law not under god

[Rake2204]

:facepalm :facepalm They want to be married under law not under god
Righto. Marriages can be held in a range of places aside from a church and its religion. I, too, am baffled with the amount of attention this subject seems to receive. It definitely seems like a "Why should anyone care if they want to get married?" situation. Should the Pledge of Allegiance be required to be said every day at school? I don't know, but I understand why it'd be an issue, because it affects people and their kids. Knowing gay couple are marrying? Not so much.

[-p.tiddy-]

:facepalm :facepalm They want to be married under law not under god
1. certainly not all of them

http://www.google.com/#q=gay+couple+married+in+church&hl=en&prmd=imvnsu&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=tNghT6DkJYzxggfFocHnCA&ved=0CEoQqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=3e10f76a6a7077c1&biw=1356&bih=862

2. it doesn't matter to most religious, they still view marraige as a religious ceremony

[millwad]

It's really pathetic that we live in 2012 and that we still see people hating on gay people. Seriously, why is it such an issue and why don't these ignorant people have any lives of their own? It's none of our business really..

I can't claim that I'm a fan or that I think it's a nice view to see two gay dude's making out but I can always turn my cheek and watch something else. Just the same way I wouldn't think it's a nice view watching an ugly chick messing with some dude.

If everyone for once would mind their own business, then everything would be so much easier.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Because we don't want them to have children. This was a (poor) joke post. If you are replying to curse out an idiot homophobe tough shit, all you got was an idiot. Consider yourself successfully trolled.

[Gundress]

I have a question?

can father walk gay son down the aisle?

[millwad]

Because we don't want them to have children. This was a (poor) joke post. If you are replying to curse out an idiot homophobe tough shit, all you got was an idiot. Consider yourself successfully trolled.


HEHEHEHEHEHE!:wtf:

[Gundress]

Marriage is viewed as religious by nature and it goes against many religions...probably every religion

I am not relgious but I can understand a church being offended at a gay couple being married under God in thier church


they should just label it something other than marraige...label it a "partnership" or something...and make sure they get the church's permission to wed inside

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I am not against btw


This.

[-p.tiddy-]

people should stop being baffled...

outside this country there is slavery and women being stoned to death...there are places where homosexualty is punished by DEATH

yet you are "baffled" that some Bible fanatics here are opposed to gay marraige?...it really isn't the biggest deal in the world

[hoopaddict08]

I'm not going to support it but at the same time I'm not going to judge or condemn anyone for it. It's not my place to judge.

[KevinNYC]

Marriage is also a legal institution. Even if a priest or minister or rabbi marries you, they are also acting as Marriage Officiants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_officiant), sometimes called celebrants, and are considered to be a civil official.

[-p.tiddy-]

Marriage is also a legal institution. Even if a priest or minister or rabbi marries you, they are also acting as Marriage Officiants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_officiant), sometimes called celebrants, and are considered to be a civil official.
that's why I said they should just label it a "partnership" rather than a marraige and give them all the same legal benifits that married couples get...that way they can have the legal issues they want and not offend any religious.


"John and Jim are getting partnered this weekend" probably won't offend religious as bad

[Droid101]

that's why I said they should just label it a "partnership" rather than a marraige and give them all the same legal benifits that married couples get...that way they can have the legal issues they want and not offend any religious.
Yeah, because "Separate But Equal" worked before!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sg2u9Bdu1AU/TwULBn7XnBI/AAAAAAAABuc/gWLtl7XlPKQ/s1600/jim+crow+separate+but+equal+racism+black+african+a mericans.jpg

[EMERE]

Don't mind gay people at all..... as long as I never see one I'm fine, a man marries a man....... hmmmmmmmm then why do we have woman on earth again?

[SlayerEnraged]

Another question I have for you guys is do u think homosexuality is real or do you think people some reason like pretending to like the same sex?

[cuad]

Yeah, because "Separate But Equal" worked before!


I don't think you can do that...


Another question I have for you guys is do u think homosexuality is real or do you think people some reason like pretending to like the same sex?
I will give my opinion in the form of a question: is left handedness real?

[-p.tiddy-]

Yeah, because "Separate But Equal" worked before!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sg2u9Bdu1AU/TwULBn7XnBI/AAAAAAAABuc/gWLtl7XlPKQ/s1600/jim+crow+separate+but+equal+racism+black+african+a mericans.jpg
no, they were not treated equal

[bagelred]

There is no logical reason for gay marriage to be banned.

Conservatives are all about fear. They fear everything. Gay marriage is something "different" and this scares them. They rebel against anything new, especially if it doesn't conform to the bible.

Fear of change and well, just fear in general dominates conservative agenda. And part of that is gay marriage.

Because being gay, to them, is just "wrong". :rolleyes:

[ROCSteady]

:cheers:
Marriage is viewed as religious by nature and it goes against many religions...probably every religion

I am not relgious but I can understand a church being offended at a gay couple being married under God in thier church


they should just label it something other than marraige...label it a "partnership" or something...and make sure they get the church's permission to wed inside

______________

I am not against btw

Civil Union. Gays absolutely deserve every right that any citizen has and are just as capable of having a healthy (emotionally) relationship as anyone else.

For some reason though, my instincts tell me it's going to far to have their commitment be honored and recognized as a 'marriage' in name. Legal benefits, yes. Go get em tiger but I probably will not waver from being against an actual gay MARRIAGE

That's just me though, I trust my instincts. I got love for generally all kinds of groups and diff sects of society. Nuthing inherent against gays that I wouldn't hold anybody else accountable for. I do feel a good portion of them probably have more personal issues than the norm but hell, everybody is f ucked up nowadays.

Wanna know why? It's because the sacred institution of marriage and family crumbles faster than a wet matzo boat and issues of belonging and security arise from that. Ironic, huh?

[SlayerEnraged]

I don't think you can do that...


I will give my opinion in the form of a question: is left handedness real?

do u mean can some1 be let handed? If so then yes lots of people are. So u believe people can be born gay?

[Kblaze8855]

Im neither religious or against gay marriage. But I can see why someone religious would be. Pretend being married isnt a religious thing all you want to..it..pretty much is. Even people who arent into it get married in a church by a preacher more often than not. The legal side shouldnt bother anyone. But I can see how someone might see it as a corruption of a faith based thing.

[Riddler]

http://www.cultnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/paxtonwithwives.jpeg


We need to start allowing equal rights for the polygamists too...

I want to have three wives.

[Styles p]

because its gay.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Im neither religious or against gay marriage. But I can see why someone religious would be. Pretend being married isnt a religious thing all you want to..it..pretty much is. Even people who arent into it get married in a church by a preacher more often than not. The legal side shouldnt bother anyone. But I can see how someone might see it as a corruption of a faith based thing.
Unfortunately true. Someone needs to tel these people that church and state are supposed to be separate.

[Riddler]

http://www.sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/barack-obama-oath-of-office-012009-by-reuters.jpg



Contrary to what people believe... this is suppose to be a Christian Nation...

If it's not a Christian Nation.... then why does the President place his hand on a Bible when taking the Oath of office?

[ROCSteady]

http://www.cultnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/paxtonwithwives.jpeg


We need to start allowing equal rights for the polygamists too...

I want to have three wives.


This, eventually all this will spin out of control and the "American Dream" family will soon be a mockery and a backwards ass fight for equal rights of all kind of dividing alternative lifestyles.

What the hell kind of society would knowingly dilute and mock a traditional marriage and family when it's pretty much proven (although still w its problems) that one woman and one man is the safest way to bring up children?

[-p.tiddy-]

http://www.sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/barack-obama-oath-of-office-012009-by-reuters.jpg



Contrary to what people believe... this is suppose to be a Christian Nation...

If it's not a Christian Nation.... then why does the President place his hand on a Bible when taking the Oath of office?
because Obama is Christian

if he was muslim they would have a Koran out there

[Take Your Lumps]

I love threads like this. It really separates the thinking people from the knuckle draggers.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Contrary to what people believe... this is suppose to be a Christian Nation...

If it's not a Christian Nation.... then why does the President place his hand on a Bible when taking the Oath of office?
Because he's a Christian and we've never had a President that didn't at least claim to be a Christian. If he's swearing an oath over Bhagavad-Gita it wouldn't mean anything. Now what about the First Amendment and the separation of church and state are we not getting here?

[Balla_Status]

Government should stay out of ALL marriages. If a church doesn't want to marry a gay couple, everyone should have no problem with that.

Side Note: My cousin is lesbian and getting married in February in Texas. That's exactly how it should be. No recognition of marriages straight or gay by the government. Just a badass ceremony.

I can't go thought. I have to work. All my cousins are going to be there too. I'm going to be the guy that people think gays shouldn't marry.

[cuad]

So u believe people can be born gay?

I think that all gay people are born gay, but I guess I don't know that for sure.

[Take Your Lumps]

Government should stay out of ALL marriages. If a church doesn't want to marry a gay couple, everyone should have no problem with that.

Nobody is saying that churches should be obligated to marry homosexual couples -- they shouldn't. But if two guys or gals want to get married at city hall....why the **** not?

To deny marriage rights under the law and all that entails to two people just because people are "offended" is ridiculous.

Just remember that it was only 45 years ago that it was illegal to marry someone outside of your own race in the United States of America.

Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg

[dude77]

[QUOTE=Crystallas]The government shouldn't be able to legally define what any couple calls themselves, nor should it involve itself into the bedrooms of consulting adults.[/QUOTE

that's not the issue in the op .. read carefully ..

personally while I don't agree with it, I don't really give a crap how anyone decides to live their lives as long as a) they don't try to force their views on me and b) they don't cause me any harm .. other than those two things, have at it

[Balla_Status]

Nobody is saying that churches should be obligated to marry homosexual couples -- they shouldn't. But if two guys or gals want to get married at city hall....why the **** not?

To deny marriage rights under the law and all that entails to two people just because people are "offended" is ridiculous.

Just remember that it was only 45 years ago that it was illegal to marry someone outside of your own race in the United States of America.

Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg
I don't disagree with what you're saying. I just don't think marriages should be recognized by the government. The whole idea of marriage is stupid to me.

[dude77]

http://www.cultnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/paxtonwithwives.jpeg


We need to start allowing equal rights for the polygamists too...

I want to have three wives.


http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/steelermia/i-see-what-you-did-there-300x237.jpg

[dude77]

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I just don't think marriages should be recognized by the government. The whole idea of marriage is stupid to me.

what's stupid about it ? .. marriage is the foundation for a family .. you think families are stupid ?

[Take Your Lumps]

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I just don't think marriages should be recognized by the government. The whole idea of marriage is stupid to me.

I totally understand that sentiment -- in a perfect world, the government wouldn't be in the business of marriages but would only enforce the rights of married people.

But we don't live in that world and we never will.

Government has its foot in the door and always will when it comes to marriage. Who they choose to grant rights to shouldn't be dependent on whether some people think there are too many penises or ******s in the relationship.

[Balla_Status]

what's stupid about it ? .. marriage is the foundation for a family .. you think families are stupid ?

You don't have to be married to have a family. I mean, I really wish not being married meant you couldn't have kids. That would help a lot of unwanted pregnancies.

You don't have to be married to profess your love for a SO and commit for a life long relationship. You've just been conditioned to think that way.

[mlh1981]

Some people will complain about the "sanctity" of marriage being under seige as it pertains to this topic, but if anyone is making marriage into a joke, its celebrities such as Kim Kardashian.

[dude77]

You don't have to be married to have a family. I mean, I really wish not being married meant you couldn't have kids. That would help a lot of unwanted pregnancies.

You don't have to be married to profess your love for a SO and commit for a life long relationship. You've just been conditioned to think that way.

everyone's 'conditioned' .. you're conditioned from birth ..

marriage comes from societal evolution .. to form the nuclear family .. to raise productive citizens .. it's worked just fine for a long time .. what is it that you have against it ? assuming the woman or man isn't a gold digger and they're in a genuine relationship, marriage works just fine ..

'you' have been conditioned/brainwashed to dislike marriage and I understand perfectly why

[dude77]

Some people will complain about the "sanctity" of marriage being under seige as it pertains to this topic, but if anyone is making marriage into a joke, its celebrities such as Kim Kardashian.

not really .. if you're so easily swayed by idiots like 'kim kardashian' then you have bigger problems

[mlh1981]

not really .. if you're so easily swayed by idiots like 'kim kardashian' then you have bigger problems

Who says I'm swayed? Some of these hollywood types make marriage into a joke. It's all over the news. Kinda hard to avoid.

[Balla_Status]

everyone's 'conditioned' .. you're conditioned from birth ..

marriage comes from societal evolution .. to form the nuclear family .. to raise productive citizens .. it's worked just fine for a long time .. what is it that you have against it ? assuming the woman or man isn't a gold digger and they're in a genuine relationship, marriage works just fine ..

'you' have been conditioned/brainwashed to dislike marriage and I understand perfectly why


I've been conditioned/brainwashed? By whom? The very successful marriage of my parents? The fact that my gay cousin is about to get married in February? The very successful relationship of my brother and his fiance who are getting married next April (I'm best man btw)?

You're right. Totally brainwashed and not an opinion I've formed on my own. Moron.

50% of marriages end in divorce. That's what I have against marriage. You know what else? The ridiculous cost of a ceremony. The cost of rings.

Putting rings on your finger and having an expensive ceremony at some old plantation house doesn't solidify your relationship as something that will last a lifetime. It doesn't mean your family will not have problems.

I don't need all that shit to raise a proper family. I don't need all that shit to tell a woman I want to spend the rest of my life with her. As long as the kid has two loving parents, who cares whether they're ****ing married or not? That has absolutely no effect on whether or not a family can be successful.

[mlh1981]

I've been conditioned/brainwashed? By whom? The very successful marriage of my parents? The fact that my gay cousin is about to get married in February? The very successful relationship of my brother and his fiance who are getting married next April (I'm best man btw)?

You're right. Totally brainwashed and not an opinion I've formed on my own. Moron.

50% of marriages end in divorce. That's what I have against marriage. You know what else? The ridiculous cost of a ceremony. The cost of rings.

Putting rings on your finger and having an expensive ceremony at some old plantation house doesn't solidify your relationship as something that will last a lifetime. It doesn't mean your family will not have problems.

I don't need all that shit to raise a proper family. I don't need all that shit to tell a woman I want to spend the rest of my life with her. As long as the kid has two loving parents, who cares whether they're ****ing married or not? That has absolutely no affect on whether or not a family can be successful.

You make a a lot of good points, but trust me, it's impossible to talk a female out of her dreams of being "princess for a day." They all dream of the fairy tale experience, the moment where all eyes are on them. The emotion of that seems to override common sense.

[KevinNYC]

Another question I have for you guys is do u think homosexuality is real or do you think people some reason like pretending to like the same sex?

I think this goes in the ISH ALL-TIME HALL OF FAME.

However, I don't think you're trolling.

Do you think that anyone, let alone millions of people, would never date the sex they are attracted to and instead date the same sex just for pretending? Do all the things that heterosexuals do --date, kiss, hug, fight with, break up with, get back together with, celebrate birthdays and holidays together, marry, passive-agressively criticize, bitch to their friends about, have sex with, and this:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2010/04/yolanda-tattoo-294.jpg

Just to pretend?

Who know does that? People who can't love openly, namely, homosexuals who are still in the closest because they fear their family or their church's or society's approbation.

[talkingconch]

I've been conditioned/brainwashed? By whom? The very successful marriage of my parents? The fact that my gay cousin is about to get married in February? The very successful relationship of my brother and his fiance who are getting married next April (I'm best man btw)?

You're right. Totally brainwashed and not an opinion I've formed on my own. Moron.

50% of marriages end in divorce. That's what I have against marriage. You know what else? The ridiculous cost of a ceremony. The cost of rings.

Putting rings on your finger and having an expensive ceremony at some old plantation house doesn't solidify your relationship as something that will last a lifetime. It doesn't mean your family will not have problems.

I don't need all that shit to raise a proper family. I don't need all that shit to tell a woman I want to spend the rest of my life with her. As long as the kid has two loving parents, who cares whether they're ****ing married or not? That has absolutely no affect on whether or not a family can be successful.

I don't see anything wrong with the bolded. not sure why someone would argue that or preach their own beliefs onto you.


Honestly, no one should give a shit if two gay men want to get married. It's no different really than if they lived with one another without being ''married'' in the government's eyes.

It's just something people need to argue about. That one pic on the first page pretty much sums it up, ignorance. Let people do whatever the **** they want to do with their lives.

[dude77]

I've been conditioned/brainwashed? By whom? The very successful marriage of my parents? The fact that my gay cousin is about to get married in February? The very successful relationship of my brother and his fiance who are getting married next April (I'm best man btw)?

You're right. Totally brainwashed and not an opinion I've formed on my own. Moron.

50% of marriages end in divorce. That's what I have against marriage. You know what else? The ridiculous cost of a ceremony. The cost of rings.

Putting rings on your finger and having an expensive ceremony at some old plantation house doesn't solidify your relationship as something that will last a lifetime. It doesn't mean your family will not have problems.

I don't need all that shit to raise a proper family. I don't need all that shit to tell a woman I want to spend the rest of my life with her. As long as the kid has two loving parents, who cares whether they're ****ing married or not? That has absolutely no affect on whether or not a family can be successful.

first of all .. I can see I've touched a nerve for whatever reason .. however, I'm going to ask you to refrain from the name calling .. I've extended you that courtesy, I would like you to do the same ..

secondly, you don't have to spend much to get married .. that's irrelevant ..

thirdly, you don't even know you've been brainwashed .. you say '50% of marriage has ended in divorce' as an argument of how you 'formed your opinion' .. you have no way of knowing the validity of that figure .. you realize a lot of the garbage you read or see on tv is propaganda ? ..

thirdly, you seem to be the contrarian type .. where you feel the need to go against 'societal norms' .. whatever works for you .. but marriage has worked for ages and you yourself have experienced it with your parents so you can see it works .. whatever epidmemic of failed marriages isn't due to marriage itself .. it's due to the degeneration of society and people that have caused marriages to fail ..

I do agree though that you can raise a 'family' without being married ..

marriage is a product of societal evolution .. it's how humans decided to deal with forming families .. I don't see any problem with it ..

[hoopaddict08]

I just want to add something, I really don't believe people are born straight or gay. I have seen people go from gay to straight and from straight to gay. I honestly believe it's a choice people chose.

[Styles p]

"We now pronounce you Husband and Husband..."

[Balla_Status]

You make a a lot of good points, but trust me, it's impossible to talk a female out of her dreams of being "princess for a day." They all dream of the fairy tale experience, the moment where all eyes are on them. The emotion of that seems to override common sense.

Yeah, I haven't ruled that out. If I ever get married, all I want are kegs and Texas BBQ for the reception along with dancing. A guaranteed badass time.

[Balla_Status]

I can't believe I used "affect" instead of "effect." That's a huge pet peeve of mine.

[dude77]

I just want to add something, I really don't believe people are born straight or gay. I have seen people go from gay to straight and from straight to gay. I honestly believe it's a choice people chose.

I don't believe that .. I think there's some complexity to it .. for the most part, I think our 'sexuality' is programmed early on .. but certain experiences or traumas could affect that I think .. but ultimately, I truly believe you are 'born gay' or straight .. I remember being 'attracted' to women when I was 4 .. I didn't choose that

[Balla_Status]

first of all .. I can see I've touched a nerve for whatever reason .. however, I'm going to ask you to refrain from the name calling .. I've extended you that courtesy, I would like you to do the same ..

secondly, you don't have to spend much to get married .. that's irrelevant ..

thirdly, you don't even know you've been brainwashed .. you say '50% of marriage has ended in divorce' as an argument of how you 'formed your opinion' .. you have no way of knowing the validity of that figure .. you realize a lot of the garbage you read or see on tv is propaganda ? ..

thirdly, you seem to be the contrarian type .. where you feel the need to go against 'societal norms' .. whatever works for you .. but marriage has worked for ages and you yourself have experienced it with your parents so you can see it works .. whatever epidmemic of failed marriages isn't due to marriage itself .. it's due to the degeneration of society and people that have caused marriages to fail ..

I do agree though that you can raise a 'family' without being married ..

marriage is a product of societal evolution .. it's how humans decided to deal with forming families .. I don't see any problem with it ..

Yeah, I work for one of the biggest and most profitable corporations in the world. A fortune 500 company. I'd hardly call myself a contrarian. I honestly just don't see the point of marriage. And the reason why I brought that statistic up is because divorce is messy. If marriages don't happen and things don't work out between a man and a woman, they don't have to deal with a divorce. They can just break up. It's very simple.

Marriage isn't a product of societal evolution. People have just been conditioned to think it is.

[dude77]

Yeah, I work for one of the biggest and most profitable corporations in the world. A fortune 500 company. I'd hardly call myself a contrarian. I honestly just don't see the point of marriage. And the reason why I brought that statistic up is because divorce is messy. If marriages don't happen and things don't work out between a man and a woman, they don't have to deal with a divorce. They can just break up. It's very simple.

Marriage isn't a product of societal evolution. People have just been conditioned to think it is.

having a job does not mean you're not a contrarian .. it just means you're working for a living and trying to survive within the society you've been raised into ..

marriage is very much so a product of societal evolution .. it's something developed by humans in a society as a basis for family groupings .. and yes it involves conditioning .. but what doesn't when it comes to humans .. as I said earlier, you're conditioned from birth .. everything you believe was programmed into you .. that's a given obviously

[G-train]

Why is anyone against gay marriage?

Because the bible calls it wrong and many people follow bible teachings?

:confusedshrug:

[G-train]

Yeah, I work for one of the biggest and most profitable corporations in the world. A fortune 500 company. I'd hardly call myself a contrarian. I honestly just don't see the point of marriage. And the reason why I brought that statistic up is because divorce is messy. If marriages don't happen and things don't work out between a man and a woman, they don't have to deal with a divorce. They can just break up. It's very simple.

Marriage isn't a product of societal evolution. People have just been conditioned to think it is.

I agree in that I see no point to marriage except for religious reasons.

[Balla_Status]

Because the bible calls it wrong and many people follow bible teachings?

:confusedshrug:

Then don't get married to the same sex if you follow the bible.

[G-train]

Then don't get married to the same sex if you follow the bible.

I'm just saying why people are against it. Its against their beliefs and they are expressing that belief I suppose. Question is "Why is anyone against gay marriage?" and thats the answer.

[B-Easy8]

Marriage is a partnership between a man and a woman, therefore same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed. Most people also don't like same sex couples having children. My friend has same sex parents and he hates it.

[bagelred]

Marriage is a partnership between a man and a woman, therefore same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed. Most people also don't like same sex couples having children. My friend has same sex parents and he hates it.

This is some dumb ass shit right here.

[LBJMVP]

this is why....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w

[dude77]

this is why....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w

:oldlol:

[RidonKs]

there is more than enough blatant hypocrisy and double standard between biblical teachings and the behaviours of its followers to rid anyone of the notion that there's any meaningful degree of 'sanctity' left in what we call marriage. it's an institution that has evolved to include both religious and legal aspects, along with plenty of others. the fact that gay christians exist in the world who want to maintain both their devout faith and their honest-to-god sexuality completely f*cks with the idea that the gays should just settle down and get on with their civil unions. religion isn't just for the straight, i'm afraid.

but the point people seem to miss is that this issue isn't going to be a major one forever. there's a rather obvious trend going in a single direction and it isn't reversing any time soon. younger demographics are increasingly inclined to support social liberalism simply as a byproduct of exposure, among other factors. it isn't going to be long before the distinction between hetero and homo unions is completely blurred and barely worth talking about.

[D-Wade316]

Marriage is a partnership between a man and a woman, therefore same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed. Most people also don't like same sex couples having children. My friend has same sex parents and he hates it.
I wish I could transport you back to the middle age. Your thinking suits their social environment very well.

[-p.tiddy-]

there is more than enough blatant hypocrisy and double standard between biblical teachings and the behaviours of its followers to rid anyone of the notion that there's any meaningful degree of 'sanctity' left in what we call marriage. it's an institution that has evolved to include both religious and legal aspects, along with plenty of others. the fact that gay christians exist in the world who want to maintain both their devout faith and their honest-to-god sexuality completely f*cks with the idea that the gays should just settle down and get on with their civil unions. religion isn't just for the straight, i'm afraid.

but the point people seem to miss is that this issue isn't going to be a major one forever. there's a rather obvious trend going in a single direction and it isn't reversing any time soon. younger demographics are increasingly inclined to support social liberalism simply as a byproduct of exposure, among other factors. it isn't going to be long before the distinction between hetero and homo unions is completely blurred and barely worth talking about.
not in our life time

racism will seize to exist before anti-gay bigotry does

people will have a problem with same sex, sex for a long long time

[LBJMVP]

not in our life time

racism will seize to exist before anti-gay bigotry does

people will have a problem with same sex, sex for a long long time

racism or gayness will not change that much more imo
people are always gonna be making gay jokes and black,hispanic, ect.. jokes

it wont really change

[ace23]

racism or gayness will not change that much more imo
people are always gonna be making gay jokes and black,hispanic, ect.. jokes

it wont really change
Soon enough, we will all look the same, rendering racism a thing of the past.

[ace23]

It first starts with men and men.. then it leads to men and animals.. that's when New York will be the idiot state to legalize animal marriage :lol
This

[-p.tiddy-]

racism or gayness will not change that much more imo
people are always gonna be making gay jokes and black,hispanic, ect.. jokes

it wont really change
yes...people will never stop hating those that are "different" than them

I saw something about rights for ugly or unattractive people the other day...ugly people want special rights

fat people are hated....skinny people are hated...blondes are hated...etc...everyone is hated

[$LakerGold]

Basketball Reasons.

[ROCSteady]

Yeah, I haven't ruled that out. If I ever get married, all I want are kegs and Texas BBQ for the reception along with dancing. A guaranteed badass time.


Can I come? I'll bring rifles and rattlesnakes for the ppl that can't dance :rockon:

[KeylessEntry]

the bottom line is it really doesnt effect anybody so yes gay people should be allowed to get married. It should not matter that some religious people are offended or whatever, what idiot is so selfish selfish that they are going to prevent someone from marrying the person they love because they find it "offensive." If you think gay marriage is offensive, then i think that you are offensive for being such a stupid douche that you are trying to force others to conform their lives to match your precious religious beliefs.

[InspiredLebowski]

This is only (barely) tangentially related, but it falls into the same Evangelical philosophy of sacred institutions and all that.

OK, so threadjack. Abortion. Seems like the usual opinion of the right is "illegal except in cases of rape or risk to the child/mother." Health risk conditions I get, that's obvious, if it can risk the life of one or both then unfortunately you cut the odds in half. But the whole rape thing, I don't understand the consistency of the logic. No one's at risk physically, it's just another unwanted pregnancy, regardless of how tragic it happened. I'm being serious, why are those unwanted pregnancies OK to terminate, but not your run of the mill I got knocked up kind?

[Go Getter]

there is more than enough blatant hypocrisy and double standard between biblical teachings and the behaviours of its followers to rid anyone of the notion that there's any meaningful degree of 'sanctity' left in what we call marriage. it's an institution that has evolved to include both religious and legal aspects, along with plenty of others. the fact that gay christians exist in the world who want to maintain both their devout faith and their honest-to-god sexuality completely f*cks with the idea that the gays should just settle down and get on with their civil unions. religion isn't just for the straight, i'm afraid.

but the point people seem to miss is that this issue isn't going to be a major one forever. there's a rather obvious trend going in a single direction and it isn't reversing any time soon. younger demographics are increasingly inclined to support social liberalism simply as a byproduct of exposure, among other factors. it isn't going to be long before the distinction between hetero and homo unions is completely blurred and barely worth talking about.

Um, so being able to have a child naturally and having to engineer one is going to be a minute difference soon?

My only real qualm with men marrying men in the whole child engineering thing that is bound to come about. Stan and Sam want a baby with both their genes so they have a scientist mix them up a baby with their DNA.

I'm not for that.

If same sex couples adopt and only have children naturally then I'm all for it....all the other stuff to me seems dangerous for the human race in the long run.

[fiddy]

*** marriage? Hell no

[bluechox2]

:lol god created man, and all man had for pleasure was to wank off to himself

[A.M.G.]

My problem is I don't think gay marriage is really the issue. The real issue is that many, perhaps most people, still stigmatize homosexuality.

Sure gay marriage should be legalized, because A) it hurts no one, and B) it's a basic right in a civil society. What really needs to happen though is that everyone accept that gay people aren't going anywhere, that there is nothing wrong or shameful with them, and that it's time to treat them like anyone else. I'm not just saying that, this is what I honestly believe, seriously, what is wrong with being gay? What is shameful about being gay? What is wrong with being gay? Why does our culture force people to hide the fact that they are gay? What good is living a lie?

Stigmatizing gay people does not make them any less gay, it just makes our society shittier, it marginalizes these people, on some level it makes it OK for dudes to ride up on a gay dude and beat the sh*t out of him, it really is no better than racism.


And furthermore, if followers of religion (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, whatever) can't accept those things, maybe it's time either for religion to change, or maybe it has outlived its usefulness and is just holding our society back from necessary advancements in public consciousness. Religion has its uses for some people, but if it just perpetuates ignorance and hate I say **** it.

If you seriously find yourself unable to accept a positive change in society (gay people not being stigmatized and marginalized) because you believe that everyone must live according to moral codes from the ****ing Bronze Age, you need to reconsider if religion is really helping you.

And if you can't accept science and modernity because some facets of your belief system have been disproven by science, grow up, think rationally, stop being a moron, accept that the Bible was written by a series of old men in ancient times, not by God. Genesis is more or less Jewish mythology, not infallible records of how the Earth was created, come on.

Bottom line, gay people aren't going anywhere, let's all treat them like people, and be happier for it.

[DRose1899]

Aside religion issue, my biggest problem is actually : why they need to married anyway?
They can live together forever, why they feel needing "obligation on paper" or its not fair to them, people abuse their right?

Hell even for straight like me feel world gonna a lot better if I don't need some paper to claim my "wife".

[Legend of Josh]

Race mixing and homosexuality are two completely different things. Race mixing is acceptable in God's eyes; the Lord tells all men and women of all races and nations, to be fruitful and multiply.

However, God does not approve of homosexuality. It's an abomination. Mother Nature, in no way whatsoever supports or promotes homosexuality to enhance/progress our existence.

Basically, it's just not right. Period.

[Crystallas]

Race mixing and homosexuality are two completely different things. Race mixing is acceptable in God's eyes; the Lord tells all men and women of all races and nations, to be fruitful and multiply.

However, God does not approve of homosexuality. It's an abomination. Mother Nature, in no way whatsoever supports or promotes homosexuality to enhance/progress our existence.

Basically, it's just not right. Period.

smh

Then why did God create it?

:troll:

NO, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHY!

[tomtucker]

Race mixing and homosexuality are two completely different things. Race mixing is acceptable in God's eyes; the Lord tells all men and women of all races and nations, to be fruitful and multiply.

However, God does not approve of homosexuality. It's an abomination. Mother Nature, in no way whatsoever supports or promotes homosexuality to enhance/progress our existence.

Basically, it's just not right. Period.

Race mixing and homosexuality :no:

[tomtucker]

smh

Then why did God create it?:troll:

NO, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHY!

He had a bad day

[N0Skillz]

Race mixing and homosexuality are two completely different things. Race mixing is acceptable in God's eyes; the Lord tells all men and women of all races and nations, to be fruitful and multiply.

However, God does not approve of homosexuality. It's an abomination. Mother Nature, in no way whatsoever supports or promotes homosexuality to enhance/progress our existence.

Basically, it's just not right. Period.


Too bad Church and State are separate then.

[Crystallas]

He had a bad day

If God created days, why did he create bad ones.


NO, REALLY. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHY!

[NastyCrossover1]

smh

Then why did God create it?

:troll:

NO, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHY!

Satan created it.

[bluechox2]

this is why....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w

i think that guy is now gay after watching those gay vids so many times

[NastyCrossover1]

http://www.cultnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/paxtonwithwives.jpeg


We need to start allowing equal rights for the polygamists too...

I want to have three wives.
Agreed to the max, I mean if your going to let two men marry then why not let men marry as many women as they want.

[Sakkreth]

It's fine as long as they do not make parades or do some other attention whore type of things and most importantly they cannot have kids.

[step_back]

Race mixing and homosexuality are two completely different things. Race mixing is acceptable in God's eyes; the Lord tells all men and women of all races and nations, to be fruitful and multiply.

However, God does not approve of homosexuality. It's an abomination. Mother Nature, in no way whatsoever supports or promotes homosexuality to enhance/progress our existence.

Basically, it's just not right. Period.

Perfect example of why people don't tolerate same sex couples. It's because they are told not to. Like all religion you're not allowed to think for yourself because it's a sin against gods will.

I have no problem with gay marriage, but I know the church will never accept it because of their own agenda.

[JMT]

50% of marriages end in divorce. That's what I have against marriage. You know what else? The ridiculous cost of a ceremony. The cost of rings.

Putting rings on your finger and having an expensive ceremony at some old plantation house doesn't solidify your relationship as something that will last a lifetime. It doesn't mean your family will not have problems.

.

I don't disagree with your stance that a family unit can exist without a marriage contract, though the "50% of marriages fail" isn't that great an argument. What % of non-married unions that result in a child fail?.

But at least in the quote above, you're confusing 'marriage', which is a civil union, a legal commitment, with 'wedding' which is all the trappings you mention.

The distinction is important.

[CeltsGarlic]

Can Gay people adopt children?

[dude77]

Agreed to the max, I mean if your going to let two men marry then why not let men marry as many women as they want.

exactly .. why not allow anyone to do anything ? .. abolish any laws restricting any perversions .. what the heck, lets go for bestiality marriages as well

[dunksby]

haha so many members who pretend to be enlightened and intellectual individuals got exposed in this thread. Nice job OP :cheers:

[sawyersauce]

exactly .. why not allow anyone to do anything ? .. abolish any laws restricting any perversions .. what the heck, lets go for bestiality marriages as well

Bestiality is a crime. Animals are unable to conceptualise or articulate consent. You can't really compare that to a victimless and legal relationship between two consenting adults.


Agreed to the max, I mean if your going to let two men marry then why not let men marry as many women as they want.

This entire line of argument is a strawman. The discussion is about gay marriage not polygamy et al. They are not the same thing and one does not logically lead to the other.

A straight man who might like to marry multiple women is not being discriminated against in the same capacity that a gay man is. When a polygamist is denied marriage to multiple women he still has the option to marry one woman. A gay man doesn

[LJJ]

The government should never impose specific religious doctrine on it's citizens. It's a shame and somewhat scary that there still is a place for these types of discriminatory theocratic laws in a modern society.

[rufuspaul]

The government should never impose specific religious doctrine on it's citizens. It's a shame and somewhat scary that there still is a place for these types of discriminatory theocratic laws in a modern society.

Exactly. On May 8th the people of my state are going to the polls to vote on an amendment to the state constitution that would define marriage as only between a man and a woman. The sad thing is it will more than likely pass. The in-bred dumbass redneck bible thumpers here have no problem with legislators imposing their religion upon the constitution.

I'm embarrassed to live here.:facepalm

[dude77]

Bestiality is a crime. Animals are unable to conceptualise or articulate consent. You can't really compare that to a victimless and legal relationship between two consenting adults.

yeah no argument here .. that was a joke more than anything


like I said before, I don't have a problem with it .. I'm not fond of it or agree with it but it's not my business ultimately .. I can understand why people are opposed to it due to their religious beliefs .. but I'm neutral .. as long as you're not forcing those views on me or harming me, do your thing

[tomtucker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JagzGOr5AhI



:cheers:

[KeylessEntry]

Race mixing and homosexuality are two completely different things. Race mixing is acceptable in God's eyes; the Lord tells all men and women of all races and nations, to be fruitful and multiply.

However, God does not approve of homosexuality. It's an abomination. Mother Nature, in no way whatsoever supports or promotes homosexuality to enhance/progress our existence.

Basically, it's just not right. Period.

who the **** cares? you are going to tell someone they are not allowed to marry the person they love because it goes against your personal religious beliefs? Consider the following you selfish asshole:


god thinks divorce is an abomination yet half of marriage ends in divorce, why arent the religious nutjobs trying to get divorce outlawed?

god thinks working on the sabbath is an abomination, why arent religious nutjobs trying to outlaw working on sunday?

god thinks eating shellfish is an abomination, why arent religious nutjobs trying to outlaw red lobster?

There are tons of things that god disapproves of that religious people have no problem with, but when it comes to gay people its "just not right, period"

[Droid101]

I don't think you can do that...


no, they were not treated equal
Are you guys really that ignorant? Separate But Equal was a policy in the United States to justify black/white segregation. Basically, similar to what is being proposed by some posters of giving gay people "similar rights but in a different way/place."


Separate but equal was a legal doctrine in United States constitutional law that justified systems of segregation. Under this doctrine, services, facilities and public accommodations were allowed to be separated by race, on the condition that the quality of each group's public facilities was to remain equal. The phrase was derived from a Louisiana law of 1890.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_but_equal

[cuad]

I was saying that I don't think your analogy is valid.

[Jello]

So what is the purpose of gay marriage? Is it for the social and religious aspect or the government benefits? if it's for the government benefits why are gay couples seeking the redefinition of marriage? Why not seek those legal and financial benefits directly? Ridiculous.

[IGOTGAME]

Exactly. On May 8th the people of my state are going to the polls to vote on an amendment to the state constitution that would define marriage as only between a man and a woman. The sad thing is it will more than likely pass. The in-bred dumbass redneck bible thumpers here have no problem with legislators imposing their religion upon the constitution.

I'm embarrassed to live here.:facepalm

that is what Christie wants to do in New Jersey. As he so eloquently put it,

[rufuspaul]

So what is the purpose of gay marriage? Is it for the social and religious aspect or the government benefits? if it's for the government benefits why are gay couples seeking the redefinition of marriage? Why not seek those legal and financial benefits directly? Ridiculous.

By law marriage gives couples those rights. Gay people aren't seeking a re-definition of marriage, that's what the Christian homophobes are seeking.


I'm Christian, btw, but I also believe in separation of church and state.

[Balla_Status]

So what is the purpose of gay marriage? Is it for the social and religious aspect or the government benefits? if it's for the government benefits why are gay couples seeking the redefinition of marriage? Why not seek those legal and financial benefits directly? Ridiculous.

These legal and financial benefits should be fought for single young males like me. Why the **** is EVERYTHING more expensive for me? Why are marrieds given better insurance rates than singles? Women SUCK at driving!

[rufuspaul]

These legal and financial benefits should be fought for single young males like me. Why the **** is EVERYTHING more expensive for me? Why are marrieds given better insurance rates than singles? Women SUCK at driving!

:oldlol: I bet you texted that while driving.

Seriously, married people statistically are a safer risk. At least according to the insurance companies.

[Balla_Status]

:oldlol: I bet you texted that while driving.

Seriously, married people statistically are a safer risk. At least according to the insurance companies.

No, but I have to take a self-study DWI class to get my first New Mexico Driver's License (ages 18-25 only). So lame.

[Dasher]

Polygamy was accepted practice until The Church used The State to stamp out the practice. The nuclear family isn't the only form or family, and people who do not subscribe to that style of family makeup shouldn't be discriminated against under the law. Multiple-husbands/wives for everyone who wants them!

[edb33]

If you don't like gay marriage don't get gay married

[SlayerEnraged]

I like this thread I made, it's turned into a big, long, and lengthy discussion :D

[Jailblazers7]

Polygamy was accepted practice until The Church used The State to stamp out the practice. The nuclear family isn't the only form or family, and people who do not subscribe to that style of family makeup shouldn't be discriminated against under the law. Multiple-husbands/wives for everyone who wants them!

Divorces are messy enough without having to deal with the complexities of polygamy lol.

[-p.tiddy-]

the bottom line is it really doesnt effect anybody so yes gay people should be allowed to get married. It should not matter that some religious people are offended or whatever, what idiot is so selfish selfish that they are going to prevent someone from marrying the person they love because they find it "offensive." If you think gay marriage is offensive, then i think that you are offensive for being such a stupid douche that you are trying to force others to conform their lives to match your precious religious beliefs.
it does when they get married in a church

like mentioned many times already, religious people view marraige as a religious ceremony

to them a gay couple walking into their church and getting married is an insult...it would be like me walking into a vegaterian restaurant and insisting that they serve me a steak because "it isn't bothering anyone!"

[Droid101]

it does when they get married in a church

like mentioned many times already, religious people view marraige as a religious ceremony

to them a gay couple walking into their church and getting married is an insult...it would be like me walking into a vegaterian restaurant and insisting that they serve me a steak because "it isn't bothering anyone!"
I guess Kim Kardashian's "real" wedding wasn't an insult? Or Brittany Spears' 72 hour marriage?

Life is too short to get insulted about stupid shit.

[-p.tiddy-]

I guess Kim Kardashian's "real" wedding wasn't an insult? Or Brittany Spears' 72 hour marriage?

Life is too short to get insulted about stupid shit.
who said that wasn't insulting?

the whole country clowned on that crap...they got more heat for that then any gay couple ever has

[Jailblazers7]

it does when they get married in a church

like mentioned many times already, religious people view marraige as a religious ceremony

to them a gay couple walking into their church and getting married is an insult...it would be like me walking into a vegaterian restaurant and insisting that they serve me a steak because "it isn't bothering anyone!"

So are we going to act like those peoples' feelings are more important than gay couples who want to get married?

The church that is approached by them can always refuse to let them have the ceremony in their church anyway. And that analogy doesn't really work. Gay people just want the same thing as other couples. Its like them walking into a veggie place and asking for a salad and getting turned away because they are different.

[SlayerEnraged]

it does when they get married in a church

like mentioned many times already, religious people view marraige as a religious ceremony

to them a gay couple walking into their church and getting married is an insult...it would be like me walking into a vegaterian restaurant and insisting that they serve me a steak because "it isn't bothering anyone!"

Lol yeah but marriage is a little more serious than choosing a meal and it's not against the law to go to a vegetarian or all meats restaurant...u get to choose. People who are gay don't get any choice at all as far as marriage goes.

[-p.tiddy-]

So are we going to act like those peoples' feelings are more important than gay couples who want to get married?

The church that is approached by them can always refuse to let them have the ceremony in their church anyway.
churches do refuse that I beleive...those are PRIVATE places...not public

the churches get heat though when they don't allow



then we end up swapping "gay-bashing" with "religion-bashing"

[Jailblazers7]

churches do refuse that I beleive...those are PRIVATE places...not public

the churches get heat though when they don't allow



then we end up swapping "gay-bashing" with "religion-bashing"

I'm cool with churches denying a gay couple a church serviced wedding but the big argument here is why it illegal by US law. Or at least that's what it is with me. The government shouldn't be the ones pushing the Church's agenda.

[-p.tiddy-]

I'm cool with churches denying a gay couple a church serviced wedding but the big argument here is why it illegal by US law. Or at least that's what it is with me. The government shouldn't be the ones pushing the Church's agenda.
I am sure the reason that it is illegal in some states is because the people making the laws there are part of a religion that views homosexuality as an abomination and for them to legalize it would mean they have to go against their own religion.



if they just called it something other than marraige...like a "partnership"...and gave them all the same law issues as married couples, I think everyone would be happy.

[Scholar]

So are we going to act like those peoples' feelings are more important than gay couples who want to get married?

The church that is approached by them can always refuse to let them have the ceremony in their church anyway. And that analogy doesn't really work. Gay people just want the same thing as other couples. Its like them walking into a veggie place and asking for a salad and getting turned away because they are different.

Damn, that was an amazing analogy. Completely shit on what -p.tiddy- said. :applause:


Look, I'm not going to try to argue anyone's opinion, because opinions are just that: opinions.
The fact is that if a homosexual couple desires marriage, they aren't hurting anyone. If whatever God you believe in does get offended, ask him to do something about it. :confusedshrug:

It's funny how some of you guys keep mentioning that a gay couple's marriage is disrespectful to the very idea of marriages, but how about the fact that a majority of marriages (in the United States of America) these days don't even last a decade? Is that not ruining the essence of marriage?

So straight people who are clearly wrong for one another can get married numerous amounts of times, can get divorced numerous amounts of times, and remarry freely numerous amounts of times, but gay couples aren't even granted the same liberties?

:blah I can keep this going forever. I can make a comparison of how homosexuals are treated to how people of color were once treated not so long ago, but wtf is the point? It'll go over most of these homophobes' heads.

BTW, I think it's hilarious when people say things like, "I don't have a problem with gays as long as they don't throw their beliefs at me." As though there are gays walking around, saying, "Hey! You better turn gay! Gay is right!" :facepalm




LASTLY, just because I feel as though someone on this site might take it a certain, I want it to be made clear that I'm not a homosexual. I'm just a straight male who believes that equality should be for all, not just specific sexual orientations.

[VishaltotheG]

My opinion:

The WORD Marriage is defined in a way that involves a man and a woman. I'm sorry to say, but it's the truth.

Now, I'm all for gays getting together in a civil union, but I would prefer that they don't call it marriage because it is a misnomer and is incorrect.

[-p.tiddy-]

it is a poor analogy IMO...my worked better

my was making the point that they are trying to order something that isn't on the menu...

anyone can get a salad at a vegan restaurant...that doesn't even exist



If whatever God you believe in does get offended, ask him to do something about it.

that just isn't realistic at all...


freedom of religion SHOULD be important in this country

[-p.tiddy-]

I'm not religious, but IMO people's religions should be respected just as much as anything else...

I think it is wrong for a gay couple to try and force themselves into a church and marry when it goes completely against what the church preaches.

again, it is like forcing a vegan restaurant to serve you steak..."it isn't harming anyone" but it goes against their beliefs

[Scholar]

I'm not religious, but IMO people's religions should be respected just as much as anything else...

I think it is wrong for a gay couple to try and force themselves into a church and marry when it goes completely against what the church preaches.

again, it is like forcing a vegan restaurant to serve you steak..."it isn't harming anyone" but it goes against their beliefs

Ok, then ask those offended churches to STFU and not step in when the gay couples are getting married at places that have nothing to do with churches, ya dig? Easy as that.

The religious sanctity of the church isn't being disrespected and the gay couple can now legally get married.


But oh, wait, I forgot that "separation of church & state" only exists in words. It isn't actually practiced.

[Scholar]

I'm not religious, but IMO people's religions should be respected just as much as anything else...

I think it is wrong for a gay couple to try and force themselves into a church and marry when it goes completely against what the church preaches.

again, it is like forcing a vegan restaurant to serve you steak..."it isn't harming anyone" but it goes against their beliefs

Ok, then ask those offended churches to STFU and not step in when the gay couples are getting married at places that have nothing to do with churches, ya dig? Easy as that.

The religious sanctity of the church isn't being disrespected and the gay couple can now legally get married.


But oh, wait, I forgot that "separation of church & state" only exists in words. It isn't actually practiced.

[-p.tiddy-]

I don't think many churches throw fits when it is outside the church, they do "STFU"...the law is the thing that steps in

and yeah I agree with seperation of church and state...

[Balla_Status]

I'm not religious, but IMO people's religions should be respected just as much as anything else...

I think it is wrong for a gay couple to try and force themselves into a church and marry when it goes completely against what the church preaches.

again, it is like forcing a vegan restaurant to serve you steak..."it isn't harming anyone" but it goes against their beliefs

I don't think the concern here is about churches marrying gay couples. I think the concern is about civil rights. I've never read or seen anything in the news about bashing churches for not marrying gay couples.

[-p.tiddy-]

I don't think the concern here is about churches marrying gay couples. I think the concern is about civil rights. I've never read or seen anything in the news about bashing churches for not marrying gay couples.
bashing the religion...obviously

none of this would exist if religion wasn't involved...


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=church+gay+marraige&oq=church+gay+marraige&aq=f&aqi=d1d-o1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1454l5081l0l5230l19l19l0l11l1l1l247l1070l3. 4.1l8l0

just look around, it's all over

[-p.tiddy-]

Hawker the only reason gays can't marry in some areas is because the law makers in those states are religious

it isn't like they just hate gay people because they think it is gross...

[Jailblazers7]

it is a poor analogy IMO...my worked better

my was making the point that they are trying to order something that isn't on the menu...

anyone can get a salad at a vegan restaurant...that doesn't even exist




that just isn't realistic at all...


freedom of religion SHOULD be important in this country

Its not a poor analogy. Gays just want the same service and treatment as everyone else. They are stepping up and demanding something better or different than others. That's why your steak analogy doesn't work because they are "ordering off the menu" but the state is just saying "no sorry only straight people can order that item." At least thats how I look at and interpret the analogy.

Freedom of religion is important but that doesn't mean the freedom of other individuals should be restricted.

Churches have the right to not marry gays just like gays and other have the right to bash them for exercising that right. They can not allow gays to enter the religious institution of marraige but the state should not be banning them from the legal institution of marraige.

Marraige began as a religious institution but it is just as much a legal and social institution in America now and the government should not be preventing people from enjoying that.

My problem isn't with religious people or religion at all, they can do whatever the **** they want lol. My problem is with the government.

[Jailblazers7]

Hawker the only reason gays can't marry in some areas is because the law makers in those states are religious

it isn't like they just hate gay people because they think it is gross...

That doesn't make it right for them to make it illegal tho. Lawmakers have a duty to serve the population, not to force their own belief system on them.

[-p.tiddy-]

Its not a poor analogy. Gays just want the same service and treatment as everyone else. They are stepping up and demanding something better or different than others. That's why your steak analogy doesn't work because they are "ordering off the menu" but the state is just saying "no sorry only straight people can order that item." At least thats how I look at and interpret the analogy.
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but that is wrong

homosexual marraige is NOT on the menu at a church

it goes agaisnt the church's beliefs just like a steak goes against a vegan restaurant's beliefs

Freedom of religion is important but that doesn't mean the freedom of other individuals should be restricted.

Churches have the right to not marry gays just like gays and other have the right to bash them for exercising that right. They can not allow gays to enter the religious institution of marraige but the state should not be banning them from the legal institution of marraige.

Marraige began as a religious institution but it is just as much a legal and social institution in America now and the government should not be preventing people from enjoying that.

My problem isn't with religious people or religion at all, they can do whatever the **** they want lol. My problem is with the government.
if they would just give it a different label than "marriage"...same legal rights...I think everyone would be happy as long as they didn't try to marry in churches...

everyone has the right to "bash" everyone though...yeah

[-p.tiddy-]

That doesn't make it right for them to make it illegal tho. Lawmakers have a duty to serve the population, not to force their own belief system on them.
yes I agree 100%

seperate state and religion

[-p.tiddy-]

Legalizing gay marriage wouldn't force churches to marry them though.

and it shouldn't imo

[Jailblazers7]

but that is wrong

homosexual marraige is NOT on the menu at a church

it goes agaisnt the church's beliefs just like a steak goes against a vegan restaurant's beliefs

if they would just give it a different label than "marriage"...same legal rights...I think everyone would be happy as long as they didn't try to marry in churches...

everyone has the right to "bash" everyone though...yeah

dude in that part you highlighted I said "THE STATE" is saying its not on the menu. The Church can refuse the option of a religious marraige but the state should not ban gays from getting married at city hall or some shit. And the "lets call it something different" stuff isn't really the answer to me. Marraige is a social thing that gays want to enjoy. I thing the legal benefits are part of it but they just want to be able to say they are married to the people they love.

[-p.tiddy-]

dude in that part you highlighted I said "THE STATE" is saying its not on the menu. The Church can refuse the option of a religious marraige but the state should not ban gays from getting married at city hall or some shit..
yeah I am just saying it "harms people" in church

it was a reply to "it doesn't harm anyone"

gay marraige does bother people...when they marry in church

And the "lets call it something different" stuff isn't really the answer to me. Marraige is a social thing that gays want to enjoy. I thing the legal benefits are part of it but they just want to be able to say they are married to the people they love.
that seems like a petty issue for them imo...in other countries homosexuality is punished by death...they can still use that word to others they love I am sure if they want

[Jailblazers7]

yeah I am just saying it "harms people" in church

it was a reply to "it doesn't harm anyone"

gay marraige does bother people...when they marry in church

that seems like a petty issue for them imo...in other countries homosexuality is punished by death...they can still use that word to others they love I am sure if they want

Oh boo hoo, so their feelings are hurt. I don't know why we should pussyfoot around the word marraige to avoid hurt feelings. The feelings of one group shouldn't be placed above the feelings of another. All the government can do is treat them both equally in the eyes of the law and let them work out their differences privately.

[SlayerEnraged]

:lol
yeah I am just saying it "harms people" in church

it was a reply to "it doesn't harm anyone"

gay marraige does bother people...when they marry in church

that seems like a petty issue for them imo...in other countries homosexuality is punished by death...they can still use that word to others they love I am sure if they want

Lol why do people that go to church care about this gay marriage right but they themselves quite often sin by Jacking off,having soda, etc? Don't they try teaching you in church that jacking off is bad? :lol :P

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Im neither religious or against gay marriage. But I can see why someone religious would be. Pretend being married isnt a religious thing all you want to..it..pretty much is. Even people who arent into it get married in a church by a preacher more often than not. The legal side shouldnt bother anyone. But I can see how someone might see it as a corruption of a faith based thing.

Exactly.

[-p.tiddy-]

Oh boo hoo, so their feelings are hurt. I don't know why we should pussyfoot around the word marraige to avoid hurt feelings. The feelings of one group shouldn't be placed above the feelings of another. All the government can do is treat them both equally in the eyes of the law and let them work out their differences privately.
exactly..."boo hoo"

it is impossible to make both groups happy...one of them is going to get their feelings hurt no mater what

IMO fighting over the word marraige is petty for both sides of this...but maybe gays should just swallow thier pride and label it a "union" or whatever....they can tell their loved ones they are married all they want.

[Jailblazers7]

exactly..."boo hoo"

it is impossible to make both groups happy...one of them is going to get their feelings hurt no mater what

IMO fighting over the word marraige is petty for both sides of this...but maybe gays should just swallow thier pride and label it a "union" or whatever....they can tell their loved ones they are married all they want.

Or the state can just treat everyone equally like they're supposed to...

Gays are hurt because they are being treated unequally by the gov while religious people would be hurt because another group is being treated equally by the gov. That's a significant difference imo.

But that's just my two cents aand I'm about to go out for the night but I'm glad we could at least have a legitimate discussion about it.

[DevilsAssassin]

I have a question?

can father walk gay son down the aisle?
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Abd El-Krim]

because nobody wants to see a man in a dress.

[KeylessEntry]

it does when they get married in a church

like mentioned many times already, religious people view marraige as a religious ceremony

to them a gay couple walking into their church and getting married is an insult...it would be like me walking into a vegaterian restaurant and insisting that they serve me a steak because "it isn't bothering anyone!"

let the church decide, if they want to allow gay people to get married inside their church, then so be it. some will say yes, others will say no. the government should not make it illegal just because it hurts a group of peoples feelings. anyway, you dont have to get married in a church, is it offensive for two gay people to get married on a beach?

bottom line is that it doesnt matter if religious people are offended. **** your precious feelings, two people love each other and want to get married, who the hell are you and your personal religious beliefs to stand in their way?

[LJJ]

Exactly.

Actually, that is entirely false.

Marriage existed long before any current religious practice people still subscribe to was invented. At it's core it has nothing to do with religion.

[Bladers]

why is anyone against child molesters or bestiality?

[Jello]

By law marriage gives couples those rights. Gay people aren't seeking a re-definition of marriage, that's what the Christian homophobes are seeking.


I'm Christian, btw, but I also believe in separation of church and state.
No they don't. The legal definition as provided by the House is between a man and a woman.

In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word “marriage” means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word “spouse” refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.

[sawyersauce]

why is anyone against child molesters or bestiality?

So just to clarify... You don't see a moral or legal distinction between a consenting relationship between two adults and the abuse and rape of children and animals?

If so, I might suggest that says a lot more about you than it does the merits of the argument at hand.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Polygamy was accepted practice until The Church used The State to stamp out the practice. The nuclear family isn't the only form or family, and people who do not subscribe to that style of family makeup shouldn't be discriminated against under the law. Multiple-husbands/wives for everyone who wants them!

Holy sh!t that has awesome potential.

And for an average guy in his 30's or so; he can take on a young wife to rear his children with and f*kk the living daylights out of; and he can have an older, more maternal wife who could serve as a female mentor for the younger one and she won't be old and lonely and perhaps a more platonic conversationalist. Add a third maid type to the mix who isn't too much a looker, but has a lot of "inner beauty" and you've got a recipe for domestic success!! Maybe that'll be enough an incentive to get some of the deadbeats out there tied down to raise they sons! The Mormon and old school Muslim families I know and the anecdotes of the harems and certain African societies I've read about showed that after a while; the jealousy tends to wear off and there is a tight knit bond between the two "sisters."

And then you can have the guys who fall in love/get infatuated easily and who are generally repuslive to woman line up and serve as multiple husbands to a girl as long as she gives them some affection on a semi-regular basis. Kind of like Cleopatra. This I predict much less success for obvious reasons, but if you keep up the toxic post-feminist American culture where every girl is deceived into thinking that she's the center of the universe and every dude thinks his gateway to happiness is through pleasing the vaj above his own honor+Integrity+mission; than perhaps it could play out through massive brainwashing. And then add sexdolls and porn to the mix and perhaps that will satisfy the other desires of one of the multiple hubbies!

I would love to see this enacted!







LJJ - Links please. I genuinely never knew that.

[LJJ]

LJJ - Links please. I genuinely never knew that.

Gotta do your own research here money. I don't know that much about the history of marriage specifically.

But we know that marriage was regular practice in ancient Egypt, which predates even the earliest history of any religion that currently functions.

[Bladers]

So just to clarify... You don't see a moral or legal distinction between a consenting relationship between two adults and the abuse and rape of children and animals?

If so, I might suggest that says a lot more about you than it does the merits of the argument at hand.

I'm talking about the statement made by every pro gay marriage individual that "people are born homo so they should be allowed to do as they wish." what about pedos and zoophilia... if people are born homos then people are also born pedos and zoos.

You can't have it one way. If you legalize gay marriage you have to also legalize pedophiles and bestiality.

[Nash]

Haters.

[dude77]

I'm talking about the statement made by every pro gay marriage individual that "people are born homo so they should be allowed to do as they wish." what about pedos and zoophilia... if people are born homos then people are also born pedos and zoos.

You can't have it one way. If you legalize gay marriage you have to also legalize pedophiles and bestiality.


you bring up an interesting point that if people are born gay they're also born pedos etc .. I'd argue though that legitimate gay relationships are consensual whereas pedos .. well you know the deal .. my point though is that gay marriage does not equate to pedophilia/bestiality .. they're different categories

[Andrei89]

You can be gay as long as you dont bother me with it.

As simple as that.

I am a Christian and I believe in god. But whatever they do is their business, it is not my job to do somehting about it. Like those idiot Westboro church cawksuckers.

So go GAYS:applause:

[miller-time]

You can be gay as long as you dont bother me with it.

people need to stop qualifying their position on homosexuality with that line. you don't see gay men walking around saying "its ok for women to be straight as long as they don't bother me with it."

if a gay guy bothers you with it, take the compliment and move on. what do you think is going to happen if he bothers you? he will hit on you, you will say no, he will move on. it is exactly the same situation with any female you aren't attracted to.

[Andrei89]

people need to stop qualifying their position on homosexuality with that line. you don't see gay men walking around saying "its ok for women to be straight as long as they don't bother me with it."

if a gay guy bothers you with it, take the compliment and move on. what do you think is going to happen if he bothers you? he will hit on you, you will say no, he will move on. it is exactly the same situation with any female you aren't attracted to.


They must understand that some people, like me, feel disguisted by a gay man hitting on them. **** the compliment I know I am handsome. Dont need it.

[RidonKs]

"bothering" usually also means just talking about it openly, whether in graphic sexual detail or vaguely about a gay club. the folks who don't want to be "bothered" by that are just homophobic. not horribly homophobic to a level of intolerance, but they aren't willing to open themselves up to the idea that people seriously have a different sexual appetite than they do.

they don't want to hear gay people start a story with "me and my boyfriend were walking down the street holding hands when..." because it's revolting to them. and that level of homophobia is pretty damn common as i'm sure you know. i think it's stupid, but not nearly to the extent of idiots trying to protect the sanctity of marriage.

[CelticBaller]

I've been hit on by a couple gay fellas, it's nice.
homo

[A.M.G.]

I'm talking about the statement made by every pro gay marriage individual that "people are born homo so they should be allowed to do as they wish." what about pedos and zoophilia... if people are born homos then people are also born pedos and zoos.

You can't have it one way. If you legalize gay marriage you have to also legalize pedophiles and bestiality.
The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. There is utterly no reason that you would have to legalize pedophilia or bestiality if you legalized gay marriage. There is also no reason that pedophilic or zoophilic marriages would ever have to legalized. Explain to me why the legalization of gay marriage would lead to the legalization of pedophilia or bestiality, go ahead.

Even in your homophobic mind, you can recognize that gay sex is already legal in the United States. It has been legalized because it is between two consenting adults. Pedophilia and bestiality are illegal, and always will be because they constitute abuse and exploitation of children and animals respectively. Those are just facts.

It is totally irrational to consider gay sex between two consenting adults to be morally equivalent to non-consentual sexual relations between an adult and a child or a human and an animal. By the same token, it is also irrational to consider marriage between two consenting adults to be morally equivalent to marriage between a consenting adult and a (legally) non-consenting child, or to a marriage between a consenting human and a non-sentient and non-consenting animal.

[sawyersauce]

I'm talking about the statement made by every pro gay marriage individual that "people are born homo so they should be allowed to do as they wish." what about pedos and zoophilia... if people are born homos then people are also born pedos and zoos.

You can't have it one way. If you legalize gay marriage you have to also legalize pedophiles and bestiality.

Yes you can have it one way. There is a clear moral distinction between those positions which can be used to separate them legally. Paedophilia and bestiality create suffering for children and animals. Who is the victim in a consensual gay relationship? You can't conflate those positions, they are not legal or moral equivalents.

[Rojogaqu11]

Religious reasons.

But seriously, I don't support gay marriage because I believe homosexuality is a sin.

Before I get bashed as homophobic and retrograde, I just want to clarify that I oppose gay marriage within the context of my Christian faith, even if there may be believers who are still burdened by any sinful behavior.

Outside of that context, homosexuality is still a sin, but the reality is that it won

[step_back]

I'm talking about the statement made by every pro gay marriage individual that "people are born homo so they should be allowed to do as they wish." what about pedos and zoophilia... if people are born homos then people are also born pedos and zoos.

You can't have it one way. If you legalize gay marriage you have to also legalize pedophiles and bestiality.

You say some of the dumbest shit I've ever encountered from anyone.

Gay marriage is in no way anything like peodophilia and zoophilia. You're proof that the cancer of our society is religion. It can have such a profound effect on someone that they can't think rationally for themselves.

[bagelred]

Religious reasons.

But seriously, I don't support gay marriage because I believe homosexuality is a sin.

Before I get bashed as homophobic and retrograde, I just want to clarify that I oppose gay marriage within the context of my Christian faith, even if there may be believers who are still burdened by any sinful behavior.


That's fine. But what does YOUR beliefs have to do with anyone elses? If you believe its a sin, that's fine. Good for you. I support that. But what gives you the right to create law based on your religous beliefs. Clearly, you don't believe in America which is "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness."

Same religious nutjjobs who believe just because THEY believe something, that everyone else has to believe it to you and follow their beliefs. Well, how bout "live and let live." I do what I want and you do what you want. No?

You know what I believe? I believe Christianity brainwashes people and is essentially a cult. So I believe Christianity should be outlawed from America completely. I believe its a sin to raise kids into Christinanity, therefore....me and everyone else who thinks like me will vote to ban Christainity completely in the U.S. It's my belief, right? What do you think about that? Not only that, we are going to ban all bibles in the U.S. too. And churches. It's our belief this is wrong. No more churches. You ok with that? Oh wait you're not? Why? Oh wait....you mean you don't like to be told what to do in America? "Live and let live" you say? Hmmmmmmmmm...............

Think things through from other perspectivies.........stop telling everyone else how to live their lives, you pretentious bible thumpers.......go to church, pray all day, and leave everyone else alone. Tired of this evangelical BS in this country. Regressive bunch of delusional people who need to create laws to tell everyone else how to live, even though they are the ones with the mental probelm of religiousosity.

[Rojogaqu11]

That's fine. But what does YOUR beliefs have to do with anyone elses? If you believe its a sin, that's fine. Good for you. I support that. But what gives you the right to create law based on your religous beliefs. Clearly, you don't believe in America which is "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness."

Same religious nutjjobs who believe just because THEY believe something, that everyone else has to believe it to you and follow their beliefs. Well, how bout "live and let live." I do what I want and you do what you want. No?

You know what I believe? I believe Christianity brainwashes people and is essentially a cult. So I believe Christianity should be outlawed from America completely. I believe its a sin to raise kids into Christinanity, therefore....me and everyone else who thinks like me will vote to ban Christainity completely in the U.S. It's my belief, right? What do you think about that? Not only that, we are going to ban all bibles in the U.S. too. And churches. It's our belief this is wrong. No more churches. You ok with that? Oh wait you're not? Why? Oh wait....you mean you don't like to be told what to do in America? "Live and let live" you say? Hmmmmmmmmm...............

Think things through from other perspectivies.........stop telling everyone else how to live their lives, you pretentious bible thumpers.......go to church, pray all day, and leave everyone else alone. Tired of this evangelical BS in this country. Regressive bunch of delusional people who need to create laws to tell everyone else how to live, even though they are the ones with the mental probelm of religiousosity.

You need to read my whole message and tell me if I'm hurting you in any way with my beliefs.

You said you support me having beliefs, but you also complain about laws that arise from beliefs, but you don't stop to consider that by telling me to "stop telling everyone else how to live their lives" you are telling me how to live my life too. And that's the issue, that we are hypocrites by nature. That was the whole idea behind my first message, and instead of taking bits from it, you should see that I was pointing most of the blame towards those who called themselves Christians but don't really follow the teaching of Christ.

We don't live in a world where "anything goes" is an option. Maybe I'm a nutjob to someone, and maybe I will believe that that someone is a nutjob. Conflict will come about because we don't give credibility or authority to anyone that disagrees with us. Maybe I'm no authority to you, and even if I was, you would probably disregard anything I said that doesn't agree with your ways because you have already chosen to acknowledge only an specific authority. In this case you have chosen anarchy as your authority, because you don't want to realize that many beliefs will naturally conflict with each other, and that by telling me to stop expressing my belief you go against the same "liberty" that America, in its laws, provides. This is why, at least in this American context, I am free to express my discontent in any matter, and it's my choice to do it in a constructive and sensible manner, or in a destructive and tactless way, and live with the consequences of my actions.

I can only talk about what I know and I cannot ask forgiveness for those who in the name of religion or Christ have wronged others and have given a bad name to Christianity. But I can assure you that the bible doesn't describe Jesus as a hypocrite lobbyist, and I wouldn't be so dumb to ask anyone to believe in a messenger like that.

I understand what you mean in your message but I would only ask that you examine the life of Christ and the life of many Christians outside of the American context, because Jesus didn't come to establish a theocracy in the sense that some Christians in western society would lead you to believe by their actions.

[rufuspaul]

Boy this thread sure improved once Bladers came in.:facepalm

[Nick Young]

Why is anyone against gay marriage? I'm not gay but it's silly to me that anyone could oppose it. First, Doesn't every1 have equal rights? Secondly, why do u care if they get married? It's not like they're gonna invite you to their wedding or something like that..
your mom is a gay marriage

[CelticBaller]

I mean, a guy buys you a couple drinks you gotta let em play with your balls a little bit right? I don't want to be rude.
:oldlol:

[Abd El-Krim]

you don't stop to consider that by telling me to "stop telling everyone else how to live their lives" you are telling me how to live my life

:banghead:

[RidonKs]

:banghead:
tolerance is a two way street mister! now finish your peas and go pray for the fallen

[JerrySteakhouse]

Not against it, more ladies for the straight fellas now anyway.

[chairman]

your mom is a gay marriage
:roll:

[KelticForce1349]

why is anyone against child molesters or bestiality?


Actually...a better question to ask is "why aren't we more outraged about pedophiles than we are about gay people?"

See Chris Hanson go from city to city and watch how everyone from your plumber to your preacher comes out to have sex with a 14 year old. No big deal right? Those f@gs can't be forgiven for their consensual acts though, that sh!t is wrong !!!

I luv the logic of the straight male brain...couldn't ever dream that gay men could mean more available women to choose from. A much better idea is to criticize every dude that is perceived as gay and try to make them get in line. Increase the competition for the ladies, Ignore child predators and let gay people know that God personally told you gay people upset him. (God would have told the gay people directly but he is too upset with them right now...give it more time)

Look around your school, your neighborhood, etc and make sure no one is acting gay. It is painfully obvious the gay people are only acting gay because no one has told them it is not cool yet...after all, the whole future of our society is dependent upon stamping out the gay problem.

Pedophiles? No big deal. Queers? Honey, go get my marching shoes and let's make a big sign to carry with us.

I apologize for the gayness of my post. In the future I will refrain from taking the focus off the pedophiles, rapists, people who engage in or force incest, the people who abduct children, the child-traffickers etc and stay focused on the real enemy.

[KelticForce1349]

I'm talking about the statement made by every pro gay marriage individual that "people are born homo so they should be allowed to do as they wish." what about pedos and zoophilia... if people are born homos then people are also born pedos and zoos.

You can't have it one way. If you legalize gay marriage you have to also legalize pedophiles and bestiality.


Congratulations...you just got all the child-predators and the bestiality freaks in your corner.

[bagelred]

Can't sum it up any better than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y4Z7tl7Vy8U

[DaHeezy]

I have gay friends so I'm pretty comfortable with gay relationships. One of my best friends came out the closet about 8 years ago and we've remained good friends ever since. So I've had a lot of exposure to the gay community.
I do believe however that marriage is the vow between man and woman and am against gay marriages. In my perception, gays aren't marrying because of the values, it's more to prove a point and stick it to everyone else. They want to marry because they can't.
Honestly, the gay community consider a 2 month relationship long term. Marriages go against their very lifestyle.
On the other hand I find it ironic when something is considered gay and straight guy is doing it, gays throw a big hissy fit.

[D-Rose]

The only reason anyone is against it is religion. There is nothing inherently wrong with it..if this is truly a free country, no one should be bound by the laws of someone else's religion.