Report: LeBron James may consider free agency in 2014; could he return to Cleveland?

[oh the horror]

Just heard this today....not sure if posted. Disregard if so.





LeBron James is

[flipogb]

all this means is they absolutely have to win this year, next year will be full of distractions and doubt which will cause them to fail

[oh the horror]

all this means is they absolutely have to win this year, next year will be full of distractions and doubt which will cause them to fail



Absolutely. The media, and fans would tear them apart if they dont take it all this year.

[WeGetRing2012]

lol he's going to the Clippers 3rd times the charm :lol

[Applause]

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[Askmeificare]

stop reading there

Fox Sports Ohio

[ThatsGame]

Of course, James has never indicated as much, and if he does feel that way, he is wise enough to not say a word. Anyone who saw the secretive manner in which he kept the Cavs guessing already knows that.

Wait what? You mean this is just a fake news story written by someone in Ohio?

Whodathunkit

[kennethgriffin]

the decision part 2?

[oh the horror]

Wait what? You mean this is just a fake news story written by someone in Ohio?

Whodathunkit


They also stated:

We recommend digesting this nugget with a healthy dose of salt.

[FireMcFailPlease]

now you guys know why the wolves still have their max.

rubio to lebron!

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=oh the horror]Just heard this today....not sure if posted. Disregard if so.





[B]LeBron James is

[rodman91]

What would happen to ISH if Lebron teams up with Kobe after decision part 2? :oldlol:

[Zedja]

Kobe+Lebron in 2014? :pimp:

[The_Yearning]

LeBron has to be the biggest loser in the NBA.

[ThatsGame]

LeBron has to be the biggest loser in the NBA.

Gullible dumbass

[All Net]

I think that site has as much cred as the onion when it comes to news...

[marion706]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lwo4hb

[Jasper]

stop reading there
nailed it ...

Lebron + Bosh = 6 + year run(.)

[outbreak]

Bad article source, even if there is a slight bit of truth to what they think lebron thinks, too early to be speculating anyway.

[PJR]

LeBron will spend the rest of his prime years in Miami. Period. He will be there for 7-8 years...

[Derka]

Of course he'll consider it. Why wouldn't he consider it? What player doesn't consider all of his options when they're the kind of player that literally has dozens of them?

[pegasus]

Of course he'll consider it. Why wouldn't he consider it? What player doesn't consider all of his options when they're the kind of player that literally has dozens of them?
What options? Where's he gonna go now? Oklahoma? We sure as hell wouldn't want him in Chicago.

[Derka]

You not wanting him doesn't mean any team wouldn't bend over backwards to bring the best player in the game to their home floor 42 times a year.

[pegasus]

You not wanting him doesn't mean any team wouldn't bend over backwards to bring the best player in the game to their home floor 42 times a year.

I guess you foresee him getting injured in his future team's first playoff game. Here's hoping it's Phoenix, so their medical staff can bring him back healthy right before the finals, and then he can stink it up once again.:lol

Joking aside, I think people will be over him by then (meaning they are not gonna empty their rosters to create space like they did in 2010), especially if he hasn't won a ring. And if he has, why would he leave? For more attention?

[RedBlackAttack]

This James back to Cleveland sh!t needs to stop. Maybe he is unhappy in Miami, who knows. If there is one absolute certainty that is locked in a vault and covered in concrete, never to be opened again even for discussion amongst those of us in the city and not some dipsh!t national sports talking head that knows nothing about the place...

James will never step foot back in Cleveland in a Cavaliers' jersey... Whether it be as a player or as a retired player receiving some kind of bullsh!t ceremony or ever for anything.

I would rather the Cavs suffer 20 years of being the worst team in the league every season than to ever see that guy playing back here for this team. I am deadly serious about that, too. And, I know the vast, vast majority of the city/state feels the same way.

I'm sure he will play for some other team at some point in his career and that is fine. His days in Cleveland are over forever, though. Trust in that.

[RedBlackAttack]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lwo4hb
:facepalm

I wouldn't trade Luke Harangody for LeBron James and I am being totally and completely honest. I wouldn't trade Ryan Hollins for him.

[StateOfMind12]

I would probably root for Lebron again once he leaves Miami. I would definitely root for him if he returns to Cleveland but I really doubt that is ever going to happen. There isn't a doubt in my mind that Lebron will NOT retire as a Miami Heat though and you can bank on that. I'll probably start rooting for him again once he does leave but until then he can go eat a dick.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I believe he wont, the Cavs FO and fans wont accept him anyway.

[The_Yearning]

This James back to Cleveland sh!t needs to stop. Maybe he is unhappy in Miami, who knows. If there is one absolute certainty that is locked in a vault and covered in concrete, never to be opened again even for discussion amongst those of us in the city and not some dipsh!t national sports talking head that knows nothing about the place...

James will never step foot back in Cleveland in a Cavaliers' jersey... Whether it be as a player or as a retired player receiving some kind of bullsh!t ceremony or ever for anything.

I would rather the Cavs suffer 20 years of being the worst team in the league every season than to ever see that guy playing back here for this team. I am deadly serious about that, too. And, I know the vast, vast majority of the city/state feels the same way.

I'm sure he will play for some other team at some point in his career and that is fine. His days in Cleveland are over forever, though. Trust in that.

If his jersey isn't getting retired in Cleveland, it's never getting retired anywhere.

[TheFrozenOne]

This James back to Cleveland sh!t needs to stop. Maybe he is unhappy in Miami, who knows. If there is one absolute certainty that is locked in a vault and covered in concrete, never to be opened again even for discussion amongst those of us in the city and not some dipsh!t national sports talking head that knows nothing about the place...

James will never step foot back in Cleveland in a Cavaliers' jersey... Whether it be as a player or as a retired player receiving some kind of bullsh!t ceremony or ever for anything.

I would rather the Cavs suffer 20 years of being the worst team in the league every season than to ever see that guy playing back here for this team. I am deadly serious about that, too. And, I know the vast, vast majority of the city/state feels the same way.

I'm sure he will play for some other team at some point in his career and that is fine. His days in Cleveland are over forever, though. Trust in that.


I love the loyalty.This is what makes sports great, If only Lebron could understand.

[Meticode]

This James back to Cleveland sh!t needs to stop. Maybe he is unhappy in Miami, who knows. If there is one absolute certainty that is locked in a vault and covered in concrete, never to be opened again even for discussion amongst those of us in the city and not some dipsh!t national sports talking head that knows nothing about the place...

James will never step foot back in Cleveland in a Cavaliers' jersey... Whether it be as a player or as a retired player receiving some kind of bullsh!t ceremony or ever for anything.

I would rather the Cavs suffer 20 years of being the worst team in the league every season than to ever see that guy playing back here for this team. I am deadly serious about that, too. And, I know the vast, vast majority of the city/state feels the same way.

I'm sure he will play for some other team at some point in his career and that is fine. His days in Cleveland are over forever, though. Trust in that.
We get it RBA, we get it.

[Meticode]

I love the loyalty.This is what makes sports great, If only Lebron could understand.
This pretty much why I have respect for Reggie Miller.

[Mr. Jabbar]

in 2014.....


"umm in this fall, man this is very tough (not rly), in this fall I'm gonna take my talents to flop city and join the flop angeles flippers"


/ignite lbj heat jerseys

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

What would happen to ISH if Lebron teams up with Kobe after decision part 2? :oldlol:

LeBron James a disciple of Lord Godbe?

DO IT MITCH!!! :bowdown:

[Lebron23]

I don't think so. Once LeBron wins NBA title with the Heat. He's gonna resign with that team. I rather see a 29 yrs.old play for the Lakers because the Lakers are a historical franchise. Some of the legendary players played on this team.

[EnoughSaid]

Not happening. No one in their right mind would leave Miami. That's just stupid. :no:

[StateOfMind12]

I don't think so. Once LeBron wins NBA title with the Heat. He's gonna resign with that team. I rather see a 29 yrs.old play for the Lakers because the Lakers are a historical franchise.
You would rather see LeBron play for the Lakers? So If LeBron doesn't win a title with Miami by 2014, you think he'll go with the Lakers? :eek: I would definitely root for him again if he left Miami.



Not happening. No one in their right mind would leave Miami. That's just stupid. :no:
:oldlol: It's Miami, not LA or NYC.

[TheFrozenOne]

I don't think so. Once LeBron wins NBA title with the Heat. He's gonna resign with that team. I rather see a 29 yrs.old play for the Lakers because the Lakers are a historical franchise. Some of the legendary players played on this team.


This does not make any sense.Lebron could have been far more legendary if he stayed in Cleveland.Even if he never won anything, staying his whole career in his home state/team and playing for his biggest supporters should have meant more to him.

It was truly electric when he played there, I don't know why he did what he did.

[RedBlackAttack]

We get it RBA, we get it.
Good.

[TheFrozenOne]

As long as he wears his old jersey number, but LeBron is gonna stay in Miami because they are still an elite team in 2014.


They burned his jersey because they loved him and felt betrayed.That should tell you something, in Miami they could care less.If you love someone then you have passion, Miami is the exact opposite.


I really hope Lebron realizes what he did and returns, tell his state he is sorry and begs them for forgivness.

it is the oldest story in the Bible, for then the prodigal son will return and get redemption. It would be the greatest story in Sports.

No one will care if he wins in Miami.

[RedBlackAttack]

Over a minute, but I'll let it slide.

[32Dayz]

Report : OP is Dumbass.

[TheFrozenOne]

sorry I'm getting emotional,



Please Lebron if you read this by accident, Come Back you can do it, ask for forgiveness and we will forgive you.You can still play heart out for Cleveland and win.Everyone makes mistakes when they are young, we know how it is, Miami is not you.

Return like prodigal son and win for your home.
It's never too late.

[Lebron23]

They burned his jersey because they loved him and felt betrayed.That should tell you something, in Miami they could care less.If you love someone then you have passion, Miami is the exact opposite.


I really hope Lebron realizes what he did and returns, tell his state he is sorry and begs them for forgivness.

it is the oldest story in the Bible, for then the prodigal son will return and get redemption. It would be the greatest story in Sports.

No one will care if he wins in Miami.


No NBA Greats could have won an NBA title with that 2008-2010 Cavaliers team. Just look at the current Miami Heat this season. They are playing good basketball without the Dwayne Wade, and the trio of LeBron, healthy Wade, and Bosh are gonna be a more dangerous team in the playoffs. How's Mike Brown doing in Los Angeles? You gonna dislike this guy in the playoffs. He couldn't make some adjustments against the Magic and Celtics in the playoffs.

[Mr. Jabbar]

No NBA Greats could have won an NBA title with that 2008-2010 Cavaliers team. Just look at the current Miami Heat this season. They are playing good basketball, and the trio of LeBron, healthy Wade, and Bosh are gonna be a more dangerous team in the playoffs. How's Mike Brown doing in Los Angeles? You gonna dislike this guy in the playoffs. He couldn't make some adjustments against the Magic and Celtics in the playoffs?

Its ok to exercise free agency. Just not back-stab his team by not telling em till they find out on national TV what his decsion is. He was a hero there and did that. Its the most villian and egoistic move I've ever seen.

[RedBlackAttack]

sorry I'm getting emotional,



Please Lebron if you read this by accident, Come Back you can do it, ask for forgiveness and we will forgive you.You can still play heart out for Cleveland and win.Everyone makes mistakes when they are young, we know how it is, Miami is not you.

Return like prodigal son and win for your home.
It's never too late.
Never. He's done here. Maybe he can redeem himself somewhere else to some other devoted fanbase.

[TheFrozenOne]

No NBA Greats could have won an NBA title with that 2008-2010 Cavaliers team. Just look at the current Miami Heat this season. They are playing good basketball, and the trio of LeBron, healthy Wade, and Bosh are gonna be a more dangerous team in the playoffs. How's Mike Brown doing in Los Angeles? You gonna dislike this guy in the playoffs. He couldn't make some adjustments against the Magic and Celtics in the playoffs?

It's bigger then that, Title or not Cleveland had hope, Lebron was ours and he was special. More special then any trophy, he was Ohio's and we loved him like a son


win or lose.

[32Dayz]

It's bigger then that, Title or not Cleveland had hope, Lebron was ours and he was special. More special then any trophy, he was Ohio's and we loved him like a son


win or lose.

But he isnt "your son" or "ohio's son" he is Lebron and he was a "free" agent. He had a right to sign anywhere he wanted too just like every other Free Agent and he made his own choice.

If he had announced it to Cleveland publically before he went on TV would it really have made u feel that much better? thats just bullshit clevelands fans use to justify their hatred.

[RedBlackAttack]

It's bigger then that, Title or not Cleveland had hope, Lebron was ours and he was special. More special then any trophy, he was Ohio's and we loved him like a son


win or lose.
He belongs in Miami. It is a much more fitting place for him on a myriad of levels. Upon reflection, that was the absolute perfect move for a guy like him.

[32Dayz]

Cleveland imo never really surrounded Lebron with good talent and thats why I dont feel it was wrong of him to leave.

I mean... when I think of the 2 best players they got for him I think of Mo Williams and Varejo... not exactly amazing players.

I saw them trying I guess later on with the Shaq signing but even then Shaq was wayyyy over the Hill so I am not sure how much that counts for.

[TheFrozenOne]

But he isnt "your son" or "ohio's son" he is Lebron and he was a "free" agent. He had a right to sign anywhere he wanted too just like every other Free Agent and he made his own choice.

If he had announced it to Cleveland publically before he went on TV would it really have made u feel that much better? thats just bullshit clevelands fans use to justify their hatred.


Yes he made that perfectly clear.
But he will always be that kid from Akron whether he realizes it or not.

[Lebron23]

It's bigger then that, Title or not Cleveland had hope, Lebron was ours and he was special. More special then any trophy, he was Ohio's and we loved him like a son


win or lose.


Tell that to Dan Gilbert, and those people who burned his jersey number.


People always uses the ring argument in this forum. Some of players were very lucky because they were drafted or traded their draft rights to the Celtics and Lakers.

Once LeBron wins an NBA Finals MVP and his 3rd MVP this season he's gonna be rank higher on the all time lists above Moses Malone and Oscar Robertson.

[All Net]

Cleveland imo never really surrounded Lebron with good talent and thats why I dont feel it was wrong of him to leave.

I mean... when I think of the 2 best players they got for him I think of Mo Williams and Varejo... not exactly amazing players.

I saw them trying I guess later on with the Shaq signing but even then Shaq was wayyyy over the Hill so I am not sure how much that counts for.

They tried their best with what they had available assets wise.

[RedBlackAttack]

But he isnt "your son" or "ohio's son" he is Lebron and he was a "free" agent. He had a right to sign anywhere he wanted too just like every other Free Agent and he made his own choice.

If he had announced it to Cleveland publically before he went on TV would it really have made u feel that much better? thats just bullshit clevelands fans use to justify their hatred.
First part: You're right... He isn't "Ohio's son" or ever remotely close. He always had one foot out of the door and that is fine.

Second part: So wrong it isn't worth responding to. I never wanted to really dislike him. He forced my hand. I always knew there was a chance he would leave. That was a total fiasco and just completely unnecessary.

You don't think we've had great athletes leave our beloved professional sports teams before? Hell, back-to-back Cy Young Award winners (Sabathia and Lee) were both brought up through the Indians' system and made their bones on this team for this franchise. They left and it sucked, but I hold no ill feelings toward them for it.

Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome... Primes of their careers... Gone. They did what they had to do.

A lot of really great athletes have left. This was different on so many levels that I refuse to believe you don't get it.

[32Dayz]

Yes he made that perfectly clear.
But he will always be that kid from Akron whether he realizes it or not.

Well... if I had a good friend who grew up in my city and then moved away for opportunity's in a bigger market I would still root for him and care about him.

Lebron did alot for your city and your franchise... tbh you should still be rooting for him and caring about him despite the fact that he left.

The Cavs best and by far most exciting 7 years ever came because of Lebron.

It's like... damn how can you forget all that he has done for you guys?

I can understand you being upset he left... but its not like he didnt have any decent reasons too.
They never surrounded him with great talent and Cleveland is not exactly a market that draws players in.

[TheFrozenOne]

Cleveland imo never really surrounded Lebron with good talent and thats why I dont feel it was wrong of him to leave.

I mean... when I think of the 2 best players they got for him I think of Mo Williams and Varejo... not exactly amazing players.

I saw them trying I guess later on with the Shaq signing but even then Shaq was wayyyy over the Hill so I am not sure how much that counts for.


I really don't know what to say.
We had hope and that was enough for me.
We had a great team I thought, and I was positive that Lebron could win if he stayed.

we were close and it was not the time to give up.

[32Dayz]

I really don't know what to say.
We had hope and that was enough for me.
We had a great team I thought, and I was positive that Lebron could win if he stayed.

we were close and it was not the time to give up.

Maybe your right but whats done is done.

Maybe Cleveland would have been able to sign someone or lure in some talent.
But... it was either go to Miami and play with Wade + Bosh or stay in Cleveland and hope they get some better talent over the next few years.

[MK2V1GP]

LeBron doesn't like the discipline of Pat Riley? He doesn't like discipline? What a dick.

God what a sick whiney crybaby selfish bitch who has had so many people worship him and had everything served to him on a silver platter, MINUS a ring.

[TheFrozenOne]

Well... if I had a good friend who grew up in my city and then moved away for opportunity's in a bigger market I would still root for him and care about him.

Lebron did alot for your city and your franchise... tbh you should still be rooting for him and caring about him despite the fact that he left.

The Cavs best and by far most exciting 7 years ever came because of Lebron.

It's like... damn how can you forget all that he has done for you guys?

I can understand you being upset he left... but its not like he didnt have any decent reasons too.
They never surrounded him with great talent and Cleveland is not exactly a market that draws players in.


Yes but as a friend I would never leave my other friends in a situation that I can only describe as a bar fight or fighting situation. Kind of hard to describe.

All the people that cared and loved him the most were here. Why would you leave those people for a bigger market?

[RedBlackAttack]

Maybe your right but whats done is done.

Maybe Cleveland would have been able to sign someone or lure in some talent.
But... it was either go to Miami and play with Wade + Bosh or stay in Cleveland and hope they get some better talent over the next few years.
Cleveland was never really in the equation, which makes the whole thing that much more infuriating.

Did you read Windhorst's article about how James attempted to recruit more players to Miami in his first two weeks on the team than he did in seven years in Cleveland? That tells me a lot.

But, again... Even if he planned on leaving all along (which he did), it didn't need to be done the way he did it. He went out of his way to stick the dagger in and twist it... Tried to make it as painful as possible.

Say what you will about this city and it has a lot of flaws, no doubt. But it also has a tremendous amount of pride. Which is why doing what he did the way he did it resonated so deeply. He made it so the whole city got on its hands and knees and begged and then he kicked dirt in its eye. There was no reason for it. No one will ever be able to convince me otherwise.

The way he conducted it didn't feel like 'business'... It felt personal, which is why the reaction was/is what it was/is.

[BlueandGold]

Wow... 1 year into his contract and he's already considering leaving? Talk about loyalty and integrity.

[32Dayz]

LeBron doesn't like the discipline of Pat Riley? He doesn't like discipline? What a dick.

God what a sick whiney crybaby selfish bitch who has had so many people worship him and had everything served to him on a silver platter, MINUS a ring.

He isnt the first to complain about Riley though.

Shaq mentioned in his new book how Riley could be a bit dickish trying to get the players to be at the right bodyfat% and he ran hard practices.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I really don't know what to say.
We had hope and that was enough for me.
We had a great team I thought, and I was positive that Lebron could win if he stayed.

we were close and it was not the time to give up.

Yeah that team wasn't bad AT ALL. Everyone contributed despite not being big names, you dont win the regular season twice in a row with 1 player and scrubs. Mo, Varejao, Z, Jamison were swishing left and right. They were contenders and perhaps favorites for most ppl. Yeah Mike Brown isn't the brightest potato in the box but he did a great D job and they were young enough to make teams pay on fast breaks.

Hell 1 ring in Cleveland would have meant so much more than 1 in Miami. Not to mention how much worse is to fail in miami than to fail in cleveland, lebron failed to see that and the pressure is now even bigger than in cleveland.

Lebrons decision backfired so fast he is already regreting it, I tell ya that.

[Lebron23]

LeBron doesn't like the discipline of Pat Riley? He doesn't like discipline? What a dick.

God what a sick whiney crybaby selfish bitch who has had so many people worship him and had everything served to him on a silver platter, MINUS a ring.


The article is kinda stupid. This was posted yesterday.

LeBron loves playing in Miami. They are currently 12-5. They still won some games without their Co-Best player.

[TheFrozenOne]

Maybe your right but whats done is done.

Maybe Cleveland would have been able to sign someone or lure in some talent.
But... it was either go to Miami and play with Wade + Bosh or stay in Cleveland and hope they get some better talent over the next few years.


True but sometimes it's not about talent, it's just about ducking your head and busting through the wall.

You can have all the talent in the universe and still never amount to anything, there has to be more.

I thought he was going to do it.In fact I was 100% sure of it in Cleveland, I will never give up that he could still comeback and do it.

[Lebron23]

Yeah that team wasn't bad AT ALL. Everyone contributed despite not being big names, you dont win the regular season twice in a row with 1 player and scrubs. Mo, Varejao, Z, Jamison were swishing left and right. They were contenders and perhaps favorites for most ppl. Yeah Mike Brown isn't the brightest potato in the box but he did a great D job and they were young enough to make teams pay on fast breaks.

Hell 1 ring in Cleveland would have meant so much more than 1 in Miami. Not to mention how much worse is to fail in miami than to fail in cleveland, lebron failed to see that and the pressure is now even bigger than in cleveland.

Lebrons decision backfired so fast he is already regreting it, I tell ya that.


You guys always use this 5 rings >>> that rings argument. LeBron probably read some posts in this forum. In his mind he really needs to win an NBA Championship.

How could I win an NBA title with my former franchise? That's the questions inside LeBron's mind.

No NBA Superstars wants to sign or play in Cleveland. Bosh, Amare, and Boozer wanted to play on a big market teams.

He'll probably would have demanded a trade like CP3 and Carmelo if he had stayed in Cleveland.

[Kblaze8855]

How he left only changes the margin by which hes the most hated athlete in Ohio. he would be hated either way. Jerseys burn either way(they get burned over lesser issues). Same people would have been crying. Same angry grandmas.

When you are the kind of person who lets another mans sports decision impact you enough to be caught literally crying over it you are gonna get emotional no matter how its presented.

That level of softness is just...in you. Lebron James cant create it.

Ive not cried over sports since like 1986. And I watched grown men weep like my little sister when Mufassa died. That was one of the oddest nights of my life sports wise. I try to tell myself not to just consider all of Cleveland the people acting a fool on tv but really...it reflected poorly on the city.

Really poorly. Wasnt a good look at all.

[Lebron23]

How he left only changes the margin by which hes the most hated athlete in Ohio. he would be hated either way. Jerseys burn either way(they get burned over lesser issues). Same people would have been crying. Same angry grandmas.

When you are the kind of person who lets another mans sports decision impact you enough to be caught literally crying over it you are gonna get emotional no matter how its presented.

That level of softness is just...in you. Lebron James cant create it.

Ive not cried over sports since like 1986. And I watched grown men weep like my little sister when Mufassa died. That was one of the oddest nights of my life sports wise. I try to tell myself not to just consider all of Cleveland the people acting a fool on tv but really...it reflected poorly on the city.

Really poorly. Wasnt a good look at all.


This

They looked like a bunch of spoiled brats.

[RedBlackAttack]

How he left only changes the margin by which hes the most hated athlete in Ohio. he would be hated either way. Jerseys burn either way(they get burned over lesser issues). Same people would have been crying. Same angry grandmas.

When you are the kind of person who lets another mans sports decision impact you enough to be caught literally crying over it you are gonna get emotional no matter how its presented.

That level of softness is just...in you. Lebron James cant create it.

Ive not cried over sports since like 1986. And I watched grown men weep like my little sister when Mufassa died. That was one of the oddest nights of my life sports wise. I try to tell myself not to just consider all of Cleveland the people acting a fool on tv but really...it reflected poorly on the city.

Really poorly. Wasnt a good look at all.

A. If you allow a handful of people burning jerseys on television to influence the way you look at an entire region, that is on you, not the region.

B. I saw video of, like, two people crying and both were clearly drunken women. Again, see 'A.'

C. If you think the way in which he left would have only changed the reaction 'marginally,' then you know nothing about this region of the country. Bill Simmons called it, "the single meanest thing that any athlete has ever done to a city." The whole thing took James from being one of the most beloved athletes in the country to one of the very most disliked.

You don't seem to get it... Which is fine. But, clearly a lot of people do. Let's leave it at that.

[TheFrozenOne]

How he left only changes the margin by which hes the most hated athlete in Ohio. he would be hated either way. Jerseys burn either way(they get burned over lesser issues). Same people would have been crying. Same angry grandmas.

When you are the kind of person who lets another mans sports decision impact you enough to be caught literally crying over it you are gonna get emotional no matter how its presented.

That level of softness is just...in you. Lebron James cant create it.

Ive not cried over sports since like 1986. And I watched grown men weep like my little sister when Mufassa died. That was one of the oddest nights of my life sports wise. I try to tell myself not to just consider all of Cleveland the people acting a fool on tv but really...it reflected poorly on the city.

Really poorly. Wasnt a good look at all.


No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.

for the bond that connects us is the Cog of War....


you saying someone is soft for crying and showing emotion only tell's me you would be the first leave like a coward tucking behind the shadows only thinking of himself.

please save us all from your sidewalk pshycology

[Mr. Jabbar]

How he left only changes the margin by which hes the most hated athlete in Ohio. he would be hated either way. Jerseys burn either way(they get burned over lesser issues). Same people would have been crying. Same angry grandmas.

When you are the kind of person who lets another mans sports decision impact you enough to be caught literally crying over it you are gonna get emotional no matter how its presented.

That level of softness is just...in you. Lebron James cant create it.

Ive not cried over sports since like 1986. And I watched grown men weep like my little sister when Mufassa died. That was one of the oddest nights of my life sports wise. I try to tell myself not to just consider all of Cleveland the people acting a fool on tv but really...it reflected poorly on the city.

Really poorly. Wasnt a good look at all.

How he left is universally considered the real BIG issue. How could this only change the "margin" by which he is hated?

*keyword: universally

[Kblaze8855]

A. If you allow a handful of people burning jerseys on television to influence the way you look at an entire region, that is on you, not the region.

Not to the extent of literally thinking people from ohio are soft. Im just saying it looked quite bad.


B. I saw video of, like, two people crying and both were clearly drunk women. Again, see 'A.'

Im 100% sure I saw crying men in a bar. I had it on DVR and watched it with a friend of mine for laughs. And the 2 Ohio people ive talked to about it since told me it actually was worse than it looked on tv. Though one wasnt a basketball fan and the other was a woman who barely liked basketball so perhaps their surprise at the outrage was a lack of understanding.




C. If you think the way in which he left would have only changed the reaction 'marginally,' then you know nothing about this region of the country. Bill Simmons called it, "the single meanest thing that any athlete has ever done to a city." The whole thing took James from being one of the most beloved athletes in the country to one of the very most disliked.

I remember you told me that one and said he was almost universally disliked and you gave me some poll that showed he went from like 42% approval to the 30s and like...16% not liking him to 24 or something. Something minor like that. Trying to refute my claim that people for the most part dont hate lebron.

Not that its terribly related. just brought back the memory.



You don't seem to get it... Which is fine. But, clearly a lot of people do. Let's leave it at that.

On the internet. Where people talk in extremes. Ive yet to hear an even halfway angry word about Lebron verbally.

You know how extreme people get here. The absurd things said over the smallest shit happening. Of course people here and online forums in general will be more in the "Oh my god...hes sooooooooo terrible!" camp.

I just dont see it in people day to day. Ever. Without exception.

[Kblaze8855]

This dude just post some Hemingway and accuse me of "sidewalk pshycology"?

Really?

This is real life isnt it?

[StateOfMind12]

He belongs in Miami. It is a much more fitting place for him on a myriad of levels. Upon reflection, that was the absolute perfect move for a guy like him.
Care to explain how and why?


The article is kinda stupid. This was posted yesterday.

LeBron loves playing in Miami. They are currently 12-5. They still won some games without their Co-Best player.
He is going to the Lakers or to another team, you don't mind right? And Lebron would probably stick with #6 because he said in his last season with the Cavs ('09-'10) that that would be the last time he would wear #23 because he felt like nobody else should wear it because MJ wore it and he is the GOAT.

[LBJMVP]

Not to the extent of literally thinking people from ohio are soft. Im just saying it looked quite bad.



Im 100% sure I saw crying men in a bar. I had it on DVR and watched it with a friend of mine for laughs. And the 2 Ohio people ive talked to about it since told me it actually was worse than it looked on tv. Though one wasnt a basketball fan and the other was a woman who barely liked basketball so perhaps their surprise at the outrage was a lack of understanding.





I remember you told me that one and said he was almost universally disliked and you gave me some poll that showed he went from like 42% approval to the 30s and like...16% not liking him to 24 or something. Something minor like that. Trying to refute my claim that people for the most part dont hate lebron.

Not that its terribly related. just brought back the memory.




On the internet. Where people talk in extremes. Ive yet to hear an even halfway angry word about Lebron verbally.

You know how extreme people get here. The absurd things said over the smallest shit happening. Of course people here and online forums in general will be more in the "Oh my god...hes sooooooooo terrible!" camp.

I just dont see it in people day to day. Ever. Without exception.

:facepalm

seriously nothing in sports can even be compared to what lebron did.

[RedBlackAttack]

kblaze,
Not that I wouldn't like to get into a point-by-point discussion with you on this topic (although we've gone round-and-round on this issue), but I have to get up for work in the morning. I was pushing it by posting until 1 a.m. Now, I'm looking at 1:25 a.m. and working early with an hour commute.

I think it is safe to say that we will never agree on these issues, but I don't think it is refutable that James went from being revered to disliked in 30 minutes. You are saying it is just the Internet... Guy was booed in every arena last season. I repeat, the Heat weren't booed... he was clearly targeted.

And, you could just say that this 'was a result of him being the best player in the league.' He was the best player while in Cleveland and never booed outside of Washington. In fact, he was quite often cheered in opposing arenas... By opposing fans (happened a lot, in fact).

If you don't recognize his being universally disliked by sports fans, then there is no point in debating this in the first place.

But, again... Sleep calls. Work in the morning. See you on the flip.

[Kblaze8855]

Kris humphries is booed in several arenas. I myself would boo Lebron tomorrow. why wouldnt I? Its just fun. Booing is not hate. Its not even dislike. half the people booing are smiling and laughing about it. Its just a good time.

If 10 people boo others will join in. Lets not act like it means you hate a guy. cleveland does I assume. most arenas dont care. Ive seen him booed in Atlanta and sat in club onyx watching the Heat play with people cheering him. same people would be booing if thousands others were when they were down the street in the arena.

I would. Its not that serious.

[TheFrozenOne]

This dude just post some Hemingway and accuse me of "sidewalk pshycology"?

Really?

This is real life isnt it?


No it's a quote from John Donne explaining how we all are rely on each other "No man is a island" and yes having feelings is real life.

We all relied on Lebron , does it make us less of a man? I don't think so.He was a Ohio and that's something Ohio also relys on and makes it a great place. and Lebron will always be.

But you acting to above someone for relying on someone else just sounds like you are trying way to hard.

you don't have to.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Booing is not hate. Its not even dislike.

wait, what?

[Kblaze8855]

Trying too hard? I swear some internet saying just pop up out of the blune regardless of situation. Like "U mad".

Its...trying too hard...to find it odd a grown an is crying over Lebron james.

Tell me...where is the effort in that? what effort does that take? What am I trying to do...and putting great effort into it?

[Kblaze8855]

wait, what?


You believe that when Kris humphries gets the ball and the arena boos...the people actually hate him?

I dont.

I think its....people having a good time and piling on the guy.

When you look into a crowd and its a lot of people half booing with beers and laughing....im not calling that hate.

Its...sports.

Id say a guy like Mike vick might be hated when hes booed. But it takes more than what Lebron did.

[ThatsGame]

The person being booed isn't going to be laughing and cracking up along with you.

Booing is showing hatred.

[Kblaze8855]

If you never booed someone you didnt hate....you either never went to a live sports event or you are a very angry person.

[TheFrozenOne]

Trying too hard? I swear some internet saying just pop up out of the blune regardless of situation. Like "U mad".

Its...trying too hard...to find it odd a grown an is crying over Lebron james.

Tell me...where is the effort in that? what effort does that take? What am I trying to do...and putting great effort into it?


It's the fact that you point out the obvious and then proclaim to be better or act like you are above it.

I find it funny and silly that billions of people believe in a Jewish Zombie Wizard that lives in the clouds..but I understand that feeling and incorporate that belief in many aspects. I am no better or worse then they.

and would never belittle or try to spout the obvious and act better.

[Kblaze8855]

So we are talking gibberish then?

Noted.

[Mr. Jabbar]

You believe that when Kris humphries gets the ball and the arena boos...the people actually hate him?

I dont.

I think its....people having a good time and piling on the guy.

When you look into a crowd and its a lot of people half booing with beers and laughing....im not calling that hate.

Its...sports.

Id say a guy like Mike vick might be hated when hes booed. But it takes more than what Lebron did.

Yes, there are some goofy boos and some that are not. As well as cheers (see white mamba). But I think lebrons boos around the country last season were not the goofy kind, not in the same tier as the ones he recieved in CLE or Fisher in UTA but definitely not goofy.

[TheFrozenOne]

So we are talking gibberish then?

Noted.


Apparently because you obviously don't understand sports.

[Kblaze8855]

I wouldnt call it goofy. And I wouldnt call it "Dog lover see Vick on the jumbotron" either. Nor is it Kobe in Denver in 04 booing. Its general sports booing amped up by it being ap layer you are expected to boo heavily. but even that died down a lot. Plenty of places Lebron didnt seem to be booed much at all. Even in cleveland he wasnt booed like Vince carters first game back in Toronto. The whole thing is overblown really from a booing standpoint.

I expected the Cavs crowd to run wild. By the second quarter it was halfhearted "Oh hes got the ball? Let me boo right quick..." boos.

Toronto went hard on Vince.

[Legends66NBA7]

Toronto went hard on Vince.

Yup.

Way more intense than LeBron's return in Cleveland.

[TheFrozenOne]

I would call it " never before in Sports History have fans ever had to deal with this much mixed emotion"...

It was not Vick or Vince....

It was like trying to watch a brother or child and understand why they would do what he did....

It was sad, frustration , anger and love all in one
Maybe it was hard for some people to focus all emotion in one area.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I wouldnt call it goofy. And I wouldnt call it "Dog lover see Vick on the jumbotron" either. Nor is it Kobe in Denver in 04 booing. Its general sports booing amped up by it being ap layer you are expected to boo heavily. but even that died down a lot. Plenty of places Lebron didnt seem to be booed much at all. Even in cleveland he wasnt booed like Vince carters first game back in Toronto. The whole thing is overblown really from a booing standpoint.

I expected the Cavs crowd to run wild. By the second quarter it was halfhearted "Oh hes got the ball? Let me boo right quick..." boos.

Toronto went hard on Vince.

But Vince wasn't booed around the country, just in his former city, perhaps kobe a bit more universally because of how serious "raping" is (raping charge for that matter). But if we talk only about the fact of leaving a team, there is no other athelete more "hated" than lebron for that sole fact.

[Meticode]

Bullshit in the thread?

Yep, we got some bullshit.

*leaves thread*

[TheFrozenOne]

Bullshit in the thread?

Yep, we got some bullshit.

*leaves thread*


Yes alot of B.S.

[Kblaze8855]

But Vince wasn't booed around the country, just in his former city, perhaps kobe a bit more universally because of how serious "raping" is (raping charge for that matter). But if we talk only about the fact of leaving a team, there is no other athelete more "hated" than lebron for that sole fact.

Of course there isnt. But Lebron isnt that hated either. It just seems like it on places like this. I dont know a single person who seems to hate Lebron and as ive said before...among my circle of friends...im the closest thing to a lebron hater. Im the one who gets "My boy went off!" texts when he plays well. As if it hurts my feelings.

Think about this if you dont mind...

When you hear people talk about Lebron in person. What is the vibe? some mocking. Some jokes.

On here...we have a guy(who far as I know is not actually a cavs fan...hes in another topic saying hes Alpha wolfs alternate name while hesb anned) posting poems talking about love and hate.

Its just a different vibe online. I dont know if people just get mad when they express their feelings with keys or what. But I want to know where these outraged people are in the real world. They are either totally avoiding the places ive been and discussed sports lately(texas, South carolina, georgia, and north carolina) or we just run in very different social groups.

Ive yet to hear a more than half serious word of Lebron hate...verbally. Or really even Kobe hate.

Lot of the hate lives on the internet expressed by people im sure just want to get a rise out of others.

Its not that serious....at all.

[Soundwave]

Anyone who seriously thinks this ...

Go visit Miami/South Beach for a week. The friggin' bars are literally across the street from the beach. Girls walk in off the beach in their bikinis.

Now go visit Cleveland for a week (no offense to Cavs fans).

I can't imagine anyone living in Miami (with money) willingly going back to Cleveland, lol.

[bluechox2]

PR bullshit

sounds good to hear, but 0% chance of happening

[LeFraud James]

LeBron will be a shell of his former self by 2014.

I feel bad for the next team who has to deal with that cancer.

[pauk]

LeBron will be a shell of his former self by 2014.

I feel bad for the next team who has to deal with that cancer.

He will be 29 by then and at the peak of his skills & prime... :facepalm Stop confusing your old man (Kobrick) with Lebron

I personally dont think he will go anywhere...

[chips93]

James will never step foot back in Cleveland in a Cavaliers' jersey... Whether it be as a player or as a retired player receiving some kind of bullsh!t ceremony or ever for anything.

as long as dan gilbert is the owner, yeah he probably wont.


I would rather the Cavs suffer 20 years of being the worst team in the league every season than to ever see that guy playing back here for this team. I am deadly serious about that, too. And, I know the vast, vast majority of the city/state feels the same way.


id take him back. in a heartbeat.

this year's team is fun. a lot of nice, likeable guys. everybody seems to get along, and theres no drama, and all thats cool, but id rather have a more talented team, with all the BS that comes with a guy like lebron.


Cleveland was never really in the equation, which makes the whole thing that much more infuriating.

Did you read Windhorst's article about how James attempted to recruit more players to Miami in his first two weeks on the team than he did in seven years in Cleveland? That tells me a lot.

But, again... Even if he planned on leaving all along (which he did), it didn't need to be done the way he did it. He went out of his way to stick the dagger in and twist it... Tried to make it as painful as possible. .

in the weeks leading up to the decision, reports came out every few days. 'lebron is leaning towards chicago', 'lebron is leaning towards NY', 'lebron is leaning to miami', whatever. it changed every few days. at the time, i lived and died by each of these reports. eventually, (ironically, around the time the miami reports surfaced) i stopped believing any of them. i realised that anything leaked, was leaked for a reason.

lebron was just stoking interest, getting people to pay attention, to generate more viewers for 'The Decision', and ultimately to make himself into a bigger star.

my point is, you cant believe any all of the things that came out.

the people releasing them have an agenda, and that agenda isnt to inform (accept in the case of the last report, the miami one, that was to soften the blow,, imo). that agenda is to generate interest. so you have to be skeptical, and you can just believe all the BS that came out.

thats not to refute your claims, or to decisively prove them wrong, just to say, you have no meaningful sources to make those claims.


The way he conducted it didn't feel like 'business'... It felt personal, which is why the reaction was/is what it was/is.

lebron was in the business of self-promotion.

he wanted to make a spectical, and he did. it was all just business, well some ego too, but lebron was out to make himself into a bigger star. maybe it seemed personal, but he was just trying to generate more interest. im sure of that.

[Yung D-Will]

Picture Vince Carter coming back to the Raptors.

[SilkkTheShocker]

RedBlackAttack's posts always come off as very bitchey. Soft.

[bagelred]

"may consider"



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[alenleomessi]

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[DukeDelonte13]

i'd take him as a Brown but not as a Cav :oldlol:

[All Net]

Getting a massage on the back patio with the wind blowing off the ocean and the waves dancing together. Wow I'm really #blessed-Lebron

Yeah really sounds like he wants to leave Miami :lol

[Chrono90]

Not four, five, six, seven.......

hahah ^ it was something like that

[LeFraud James]

He will be 29 by then and at the peak of his skills & prime... :facepalm Stop confusing your old man (Kobrick) with Lebron

I personally dont think he will go anywhere...

He will be 30 by mid season, and his athleticism would have sharply declined.

Kobe is a student of the game, and his continued dominance and longevity are testament to that.

You're crazy if you think LeBron has added enough to his game to keep this production up in his 30s.

[StateOfMind12]

Getting a massage on the back patio with the wind blowing off the ocean and the waves dancing together. Wow I'm really #blessed-Lebron

Yeah really sounds like he wants to leave Miami :lol
Here is some advice, take what LeBron says is a grain of salt. LeBron has said tons of shit that is dumb, lying, bogus, etc.

LeBron will probably be leave in 2014 if he doesn't win a ring in Miami by then. It wouldn't even surprise me if LeBron ends up signing with the Lakers or something, I would expect Kobe to be retired by then and maybe there would be enough cap space/room for him.

LeBron is about as loyal as Shaq and he left two great cities (Orlando and LA). I don't see why LeBron wouldn't leave Miami especially when Miami is an overrated city and he doesn't like the way Pat Riley runs things around that organization.

[Poodle]

Lebron is such a diva bitch. This is why i can't stand him, but i guess if you're that good and know it, you can act like he does....just trips me out how he expects to be catered to with completely different rules than other players by the organizations he plays for.

I mean what he said is as much a guilt tripping threat to the Heat to cater to him by his own rules or he might be gone :facepalm