Nash and Gortat for Bynum

[28renyoy]

Why not? Nash is likely going to leave, the Lakers are in win now mode, and Bynum is a major upgrade for Phoenix.

Nash
Kobe
Barnes
Gasol
Gortat

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Why not? Nash is likely going to leave, the Lakers are in win now mode, and Bynum is a major upgrade for Phoenix.

Nash
Kobe
Barnes
Gasol
Gortat

lol no thanks.

[AMISTILLILL]

Phoenix gets raped. Throw in Goudelock or a 2nd rounder.

[DuMa]

PHX wont ever trade him. Nash is going to NY after this season. he will never be a laker.

[AMISTILLILL]

PHX wont ever trade him. Nash is going to NY after this season. he will never be a laker.

:banana: :banana:

[greymatter]

lol no thanks.

That's actually a very good trade for LA. Gortat isn't wildly overpaid and he'll give you a solid double-double while playing good defense. He doesn't need the ball like Bynum does, so it'll address chemistry issues. Nash on the other hand instantly makes LA a top 4-5 offense. LA would become legit contenders again for this year.

[chazzy]

Phoenix gets raped.
How? Nash is probably gone this summer and Bynum is definitely an upgrade over Gortat.

[Doranku]

If only...

[AMISTILLILL]

How? Nash is probably gone this summer and Bynum is definitely an upgrade over Gortat.

You don't know that he's probably gone, for one. And two, who's supposed to facilitate for Bynum in PHX? Bynum regresses in Phoenix as a #1 option without a competent playmaker.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

This trade makes no sense for the suns
Gortat IMHO is more or less on the same level as Bynum just that he is less injury prone

[chips93]

You don't know that he's probably gone, for one. And two, who's supposed to facilitate for Bynum in PHX? Bynum regresses in Phoenix as a #1 option without a competent playmaker.

who is the competent playmaker that he has now on the lakers? kobe doesnt get hik any looks.

good trade for both teams imo. lakers get that offensive spark, they still have an imposing frontline. and phoenix gets a good young prospect in bynum.

[ThatsGame]

Nash will retire in PHX.

[chazzy]

You don't know that he's probably gone, for one. And two, who's supposed to facilitate for Bynum in PHX? Bynum regresses in Phoenix as a #1 option without a competent playmaker.
If he does resign, how long is it for and what direction would the team be headed for in the next 3 years? If you can swap out Nash while he still has good value and get back arguably the 2nd best center in the league, a guy who can create his own basket and anchor a defense, that's a great way to start your rebuilding process. They will be missing a playmaker but it's a still a positive move long term.

[Droid101]

They can probably get more for Nash alone from a different team willing to take him as a rental.

But hell yeah I'd do that trade in a millisecond as a Laker fan.

[BlackVVaves]

This trade makes no sense for the suns
Gortat IMHO is more or less on the same level as Bynum just that he is less injury prone

We'll see if you still feel the same once Nash isn't around to spoon feed him, a la 96% of players that have played in Phoenix since Nash came to town.

[DDensity]

Congrats on creating a trade neither team likes. That's pretty hard to do.

[pegasus]

LA would love that.

[rwfletch22]

Throw in Channing Frye, and then we'll talk

[miles berg]

A trade that actually makes sense for both teams.

That's rare these days, congrats.

Both organizations should do this in a heartbeat.

[Whoah10115]

This will not happen, but of course the Lakers will like it. You get the best player in the trade, along with someone else who is almost as good as the other guy is right now. Add that the other guy is much better suited to playing with the LA cast, and that Pau Gasol will be able to man the post again...please.



Steve Nash is the one ball-dominant PG the Lakers could use (as Kidd is no longer ball-dominant and if you consider that Deron Williams isn't that ball dominant for an elite PG). Chris Paul dominates the ball to no end. Steve Nash knows, not only to let other guys have the ball, but he will bring Showtime back to LA. The amount of easy shots Kobe would get...he'd be forced to run the floor again (when was the last time he did that with any regularity?), he'd be taking advantage on a bunch of cuts to the basket, alleys. He'd have some spot-up jumpshots...when was the last time Kobe had a spot up jumpshot, within any decent flow of offense? He could play less minutes and put up more points.




Factor in that Steve Nash never plays crazy minutes. If Nash plays 30-32 minutes a game and Kobe comes down to 36-37, he would still have plenty of chances to dominate the ball in iso's with Nash on the bench lol. Steve Nash will not only be a playmaker, he will create ball movement for the rest.

[REACTION]

Gortat IMHO is more or less on the same level as Bynum
http://i.imgur.com/npFzS.jpg

[b0bab0i]

Nash will retire in PHX.
No he won't. It's not like he's been in PHX his whole career. Pretty sure he would want to go to a contender after his contract with PHX is up.

[wagexslave]

Gortat > Bynum

[BarberSchool]

Why not? Nash is likely going to leave, the Lakers are in win now mode, and Bynum is a major upgrade for Phoenix.

Nash
Kobe
Barnes
Gasol
GortatNicholson would need two pairs of shades......
...those forum lights are too bright for all that white skin.

http://static.igossip.com/photos_2/august_2011/Jack_Nicholson_article_E.jpg

[talkingconch]

no thanks

[talkingconch]

http://i.imgur.com/npFzS.jpg
LOL

[SteveNashMVPcro]

Throw in Channing Frye, and then we'll talk
You can take Frye for free,he sucks so badly
I would like something like this to happend for Steve but the Suns loose here I think

[boozehound]

That's actually a very good trade for LA. Gortat isn't wildly overpaid and he'll give you a solid double-double while playing good defense. He doesn't need the ball like Bynum does, so it'll address chemistry issues. Nash on the other hand instantly makes LA a top 4-5 offense. LA would become legit contenders again for this year.
this. I really dont see gortat being a major step down from bynum. having nash (and his bird rights) would make this team great offensively. Now, sure, KB would throw a bitch fit, but who cares? Long term, its not as solid as getting DHo, but a bird in hand....

[DMAVS41]

Good deal for both teams. Throw in some cash, picks, and a young player or two and it really makes a lot of sense.

Do people actually think Nash is going to bring back a better player than Bynum in a trade? Bynum is easily the best they could get back when you factor in his age.

[b0bab0i]

this. I really dont see gortat being a major step down from bynum. having nash (and his bird rights) would make this team great offensively. Now, sure, KB would throw a bitch fit, but who cares? Long term, its not as solid as getting DHo, but a bird in hand....
Ship bynum out, ship his injury prone cry baby ass out.

[AMISTILLILL]

who is the competent playmaker that he has now on the lakers? kobe doesnt get hik any looks.

good trade for both teams imo. lakers get that offensive spark, they still have an imposing frontline. and phoenix gets a good young prospect in bynum.

Who said he had one in LA? He regresses in PHX as a #1 option without a competent playmaker. Reading comprehension.

[StacksOnDeck]

Trade Bynum, the second best C for a washed up PG and an average C. Makes a lot of sense.

[AMISTILLILL]

If he does resign, how long is it for and what direction would the team be headed for in the next 3 years? If you can swap out Nash while he still has good value and get back arguably the 2nd best center in the league, a guy who can create his own basket and anchor a defense, that's a great way to start your rebuilding process. They will be missing a playmaker but it's a still a positive move long term.

First of all, that Phoenix team without Nash is a thousand times worse. Phoenix knows they don't have a "future" with Nash, so it's not as if they don't realize they're lottery bound. Secondly, the only thing that kept Bynum in LA this long, in light of all of his injury woes and shortcomings, was certain people in the front offices affinity for him as their pet project. If Bynum goes to Phoenix, gets injured and misses tons of games, that Suns team rivals Cleveland and New Jersey in these last couple of seasons for embarrassing regular season outings. That Phoenix front office isn't as accepting of his status as an injury liability. Guaranteed.

They'd ship him out after a few seasons if he ended up starting his career in Phoenix the way he did in LA (in other words, only playing TWO 60+ game seasons in his entire career).

Not to mention it's hard to believe Bynum is even capable of automatically thriving and putting up Dwight Howard type numbers on another team. I'm not sure why so many people seem to believe that. With that said, why ship Gortat out who is likely just as serviceable at C? It's obvious a lot of people don't even watch Gortat play if they're scoffing at the suggestion that the difference between Gortat and Bynum this season isn't that huge.

[SAKOTXA]

Trade Bynum, the second best C for a washed up PG and an average C. Makes a lot of sense.
That washed up PG is averaging 14/10 on 52 percent shooting and leading the league in assists while being surrounded by scrubs. :facepalm

Oh and Gorat is a walking 15/10 with great shooting percentages and GREAT defense. How is that an "average C"?

[pegasus]

Trade Bynum, the second best C for a washed up PG and an average C. Makes a lot of sense.

I guess you haven't watched any Phoenix games this year. Nash has still got it, and Gortat (considering Bynum's personality and being a black hole) is probably the better center at this point, or at least the better center for the Lakers.

Nash would also make Gasol better, and Kobe would definitely benefit from another high IQ ball-handler on the team.

The only problems are:

- The Phoenix FO: Would they realize that it is pretty much the best deal they can get for Nash?

- Jim Buss: Would he be able to sell his house right away so he can relocate to Phoenix to be with Bynum?

[AMISTILLILL]

I guess you haven't watched any Phoenix games this year. Nash has still got it, and Gortat (considering Bynum's personality and being a black hole) is probably the better center at this point, or at least the better center for the Lakers.

Nash would also make Gasol better, and Kobe would definitely benefit from another high IQ, ball-handler on the team.

The only problems are:

- The Phoenix FO: Would they realize that it is pretty much the best deal they can get for Nash?

- Jim Buss: Would he be able to sell his house right away so he can relocate to Phoenix to be with Bynum?

Not to mention his history of injuries.

[tmacattack33]

I actually like it for both teams.

In the future, Bynum will be better. Phoenix is thinking about the future right now.

In the present, Nash and Gortat are better. LA might be thinking about the present and might be willing to give up the future to get a contending team on the court right now before Kobe and Gasol retire/leave/completely decline.

[pegasus]

Not to mention his history of injuries.

I know. If he gets injured again, then the Suns just don't renew his contract in 2014 (I believe?).

They would be bad for a while, but this year is a good time to be bad anyway (unless they already traded away their draft picks). LA should also send them a 1st rounder probably.

[AMISTILLILL]

I actually like it for both teams.

In the future, Bynum will be better. Phoenix is thinking about the future right now.

In the present, Nash and Gortat are better. LA might be thinking about the present and might be willing to give up the future to get a contending team on the court right now before Kobe and Gasol retire/leave/completely decline.

How does Nash on his last leg and introducing a brand new C to an entirely new system work for the Lakers short term plan? If people thought taking Perkins out of Boston screwed team chemistry last season... my god.

Do people really think Steve Nash is the cure-all for LA and the guy who will help them win a ring? He has MAYBE two years left in the league after this season. There's no way LA rights the ship this season if they were to trade for him, and there's no way LA's chances increase as both Nash and Kobe continue to decline and the competition in the west with the likes of Oklahoma City, the Clippers and others only improving. Not to mention the increasing likelihood of a Dwight/Deron pairing in Dallas alongside Dirk. That's just the western conference... nevermind the Heat and Bulls.

More importantly, Nash is not getting traded. Period. If he goes anywhere this summer, he goes to New York. It's impossible to ignore the writing on the wall.

[StacksOnDeck]

I guess you haven't watched any Phoenix games this year. Nash has still got it, and Gortat (considering Bynum's personality and being a black hole) is probably the better center at this point, or at least the better center for the Lakers.

Nash would also make Gasol better, and Kobe would definitely benefit from another high IQ ball-handler on the team.

The only problems are:

- The Phoenix FO: Would they realize that it is pretty much the best deal they can get for Nash?

- Jim Buss: Would he be able to sell his house right away so he can relocate to Phoenix to be with Bynum?

Stopped reading. Learn how to troll better. :applause:

[chazzy]

First of all, that Phoenix team without Nash is a thousand times worse. Phoenix knows they don't have a "future" with Nash, so it's not as if they don't realize they're lottery bound. Secondly, the only thing that kept Bynum in LA this long, in light of all of his injury woes and shortcomings, was certain people in the front offices affinity for him as their pet project. If Bynum goes to Phoenix, gets injured and misses tons of games, that Suns team rivals Cleveland and New Jersey in these last couple of seasons for embarrassing regular season outings. That Phoenix front office isn't as accepting of his status as an injury liability. Guaranteed.

They'd ship him out after a few seasons if he ended up starting his career in Phoenix the way he did in LA (in other words, only playing TWO 60+ game seasons in his entire career).

Not to mention it's hard to believe Bynum is even capable of automatically thriving and putting up Dwight Howard type numbers on another team. I'm not sure why so many people seem to believe that. With that said, why ship Gortat out who is likely just as serviceable at C? It's obvious a lot of people don't even watch Gortat play if they're scoffing at the suggestion that the difference between Gortat and Bynum this season isn't that huge.
Of course they would be worse off initially with just Bynum - that also gives them a higher draft pick. I just feel they would be better off long term with him rather than milk the last few years of Nash.. for what? So he can make their roster overachieve a little more and get a worse pick?

There's also a good chance he walks this summer anyway and they're just left with Gortat. Gortat is playing well, but he's also playing well off of Nash. It's obvious Bynum is a better individual player on both sides of the ball than him and has more potential. Getting Bynum and a lower lotto pick or two would be a quick jumpstart to their rebuilding process. Nash/Gortat isn't gonna yield much more talent than that in a trade right now.

[StacksOnDeck]

That washed up PG is averaging 14/10 on 52 percent shooting and leading the league in assists while being surrounded by scrubs. :facepalm

Oh and Gorat is a walking 15/10 with great shooting percentages and GREAT defense. How is that an "average C"?

15/10 with Nash feeding him. How many of his points are from open looks that Nash gets him while Bynum has to create his offense cause our pg is Fisher.

[shake N bake]

only way the Suns agree to this trade is .. if the lakers agree to second trade which will trade the TPE for Josh Childress's Nasty ass Contract..


the suns get bynum, 2 first rounders, ebanks, goudelock, whoever is on bench..

the lakers get Nash and Gortat contingent on the second trade..

phx clears ample amount of Space and just build around Bynum. then they can trade for caledron and Bargs huge contracts.. to complete their lineup..

[SAKOTXA]

15/10 with Nash feeding him. How many of his points are from open looks that Nash gets him while Bynum has to create his offense cause our pg is Fisher.
His last game...
17/10 7 for 12, 4 blocks.

His starting point guard was Price.
Go to sleep.

[pegasus]

Stopped reading. Learn how to troll better. :applause:
Until this season, most of us believed that Bynum had great potential but could not stay healthy. This season, us unbiased viewers, realized that even when healthy, he is not good enough to run the offense through, or even be a good second or third option, or be the defensive presence down low. He has been exposed, so you need to stop overrating him.

[StacksOnDeck]

Until this season, most of us believed that Bynum had great potential but could not stay healthy. This season, us unbiased viewers, realized that even when healthy, he is not good enough to run the offense through, or even be a good second or third option, or be the defensive presence down low. He has been exposed, so you need to stop overrating him.

Bynum has been our 2nd most consistent player. :rolleyes:

16/12 as the 2nd option and third on some nights. You guys really need to learn how to troll.

[tbc]

15/10 with Nash feeding him. How many of his points are from open looks that Nash gets him while Bynum has to create his offense cause our pg is Fisher.

check Gortat's stats without Nash and try again...

[boozehound]

That washed up PG is averaging 14/10 on 52 percent shooting and leading the league in assists while being surrounded by scrubs. :facepalm

Oh and Gorat is a walking 15/10 with great shooting percentages and GREAT defense. How is that an "average C"?
I love laker fans. Bynum has yet to even sniff being the 2nd best center in the league. SMFH, take your purple and gold goggles off.

[DKLaker]

Of course they would be worse off initially with just Bynum - that also gives them a higher draft pick. I just feel they would be better off long term with him rather than milk the last few years of Nash.. for what? So he can make their roster overachieve a little more and get a worse pick?

There's also a good chance he walks this summer anyway and they're just left with Gortat. Gortat is playing well, but he's also playing well off of Nash. It's obvious Bynum is a better individual player on both sides of the ball than him and has more potential. Getting Bynum and a lower lotto pick or two would be a quick jumpstart to their rebuilding process. Nash/Gortat isn't gonna yield much more talent than that in a trade right now.


:applause: :cheers: :applause:

[boozehound]

Bynum has been our 2nd most consistent player. :rolleyes:

16/12 as the 2nd option and third on some nights. You guys really need to learn how to troll.
yes, a decent (at best) 2nd option offensively and an average to decent (at best) defender. That is what people are calling the 2nd best center in the game? Hell, there are 4 centers in the Central Division I would take over him.

[sagr32]

Until this season, most of us believed that Bynum had great potential but could not stay healthy. This season, us unbiased viewers, realized that even when healthy, he is not good enough to run the offense through, or even be a good second or third option, or be the defensive presence down low. He has been exposed, so you need to stop overrating him.
Umm how exactly have we been shown that? He is averaging 16/12 as our third sometimes second option. And while he cant handle doubles well that is something that comes with experience and time as a consistent offensive option. Before this season Phil pretty much let Bynum focus on the defensive and let him have scraps on the offensive end. We never really ran anything through Bynum. Him struggling with defenses focusing in on him is expected.

OT: I would do this trade only after Howard was no longer an option.

[chazzy]

I love laker fans. Bynum has yet to even sniff being the 2nd best center in the league. SMFH, take your purple and gold goggles off.
Really? Who are all the centers who are clearly better right now (besides Dwight)?

[sagr32]

yes, a decent (at best) 2nd option offensively and an average to decent (at best) defender. That is what people are calling the 2nd best center in the game? Hell, there are 4 centers in the Central Division I would take over him. Yes in this Centerless league he is the second best center. There are other contenders such as Hibbert, Gortat, Gasol and a few others but acting like he isn't top 5 is stupid. And I am guessing you missed that stretch last year where he was dominating defensively and the lakers went 17-1. Now he is certainly not going to be dominant like that because he has duties on the offensive end now as well but he is at least good as an anchor

[iDefend5]

Nash is probably going to retire in Phoenix cause he is dumb enough to believe Phoenix will win in the next 3-5 years.

[boozehound]

Really? Who are all the centers who are clearly better right now (besides Dwight)?
Well, I would suggest arguably better is a much more productive view of it. the 4 from the central that I think a case could be made for are
Bogut
Noah
Hibbert
Monroe.

Each has certain areas they are better than Bynum and each has certain weaknesses. My point was simply that you, lakers fans, always overvalue your own pieces (to a degree all fans do, but lakers and knicks fans take the cake). You should see how people talked about smush years back (before the collapse of that season). Sure, now you all point to that roster to show how great kobe was to carry them, but hindsight is 20/20.

[boozehound]

Yes in this Centerless league he is the second best center. There are other contenders such as Hibbert, Gortat, Gasol and a few others but acting like he isn't top 5 is stupid. And I am guessing you missed that stretch last year where he was dominating defensively and the lakers went 17-1. Now he is certainly not going to be dominant like that because he has duties on the offensive end now as well but he is at least good as an anchor
I never understood why people act like you cant be a great two way player. Especially as a big. His D was good because phil had him in the zone, i.e. he overachieved. Now, under a new coach, he has regressed to a solid but not great defender.

[StacksOnDeck]

Well, I would suggest arguably better is a much more productive view of it. the 4 from the central that I think a case could be made for are
Bogut
Noah
Hibbert
Monroe.

Each has certain areas they are better than Bynum and each has certain weaknesses. My point was simply that you, lakers fans, always overvalue your own pieces (to a degree all fans do, but lakers and knicks fans take the cake). You should see how people talked about smush years back (before the collapse of that season). Sure, now you all point to that roster to show how great kobe was to carry them, but hindsight is 20/20.

Boozeclown trolling again. Noah? Bogus? Hibbert? Monroe? :roll: :roll:

Bynum is gonna be an all star. What about the ones you mentioned? Ask Bulls fans if they would trade Noah for Bynum. Ask the same for Pacers, Pistons and Bucks fans. Clown.

[chazzy]

Well, I would suggest arguably better is a much more productive view of it. the 4 from the central that I think a case could be made for are
Bogut
Noah
Hibbert
Monroe.

Each has certain areas they are better than Bynum and each has certain weaknesses.
So you went from "Bynum doesn't even sniff 2nd best" to guys that may have a case? Bogut vs Bynum was a good debate 2 years ago but he's taken a step back ever since his horrific injury. Offensive game isn't where it used to be, though he's still a great defender... but he's out for most of the season now. Noah's a good defender as well but has a limited offensive game, and his rebounding has dropped this year. I'm pretty big on Hibbert because of his size, but Bynum has a better skillset downlow. Haven't seen enough of Monroe to really comment on him.

It's just silly to think Laker fans are absurd for calling Bynum the 2nd best center. Dude's putting up 16/12 2 blocks on 54%. It's not like last season where we knew the talent was there but didn't show up in the numbers; he's producing now.

[Maniak]

This trade sucks. Suns get ripped off.

[EveryManALion]

Nash said a million times he does not want to leave.

[boozehound]

So you went from "Bynum doesn't even sniff 2nd best" to guys that may have a case? Bogut vs Bynum was a good debate 2 years ago but he's taken a step back ever since his horrific injury. Offensive game isn't where it used to be, though he's still a great defender... but he's out for most of the season now. Noah's a good defender as well but has a limited offensive game, and his rebounding has dropped this year. I'm pretty big on Hibbert because of his size, but Bynum has a better skillset downlow. Haven't seen enough of Monroe to really comment on him.

It's just silly to think Laker fans are absurd for calling Bynum the 2nd best center. Dude's putting up 16/12 2 blocks on 54%. It's not like last season where we knew the talent was there but didn't show up in the numbers; he's producing now.
so, hes producing the same numbers as gortat (higher rebounds, worse fg%). yet gortat and nash is a rip off for him? Thats the point. Hes a good and valuable player (would love to have him on my team), but if you think hes the answer going forward for the lakers (or any team) as the guy to build around, you are wrong. Hes a great complimentary piece, though I would argue he was better when he worked harder on D and wasnt as concerned with getting his touches.

[DirtySanchez]

I would do this if was the Lakers in a heartbeat.

[b0bab0i]

Nash said a million times he does not want to leave.
Show proof of the million times recently(within 2 years) where he said he doesn't want to leave.


Nash never "Publicly" said he wanted to leave because he's a professional and will finish the contract that he signed, but he certainly will not re-sign with Suns.

[wagexslave]

If the Suns front office would be stupid enough to accept this trade, I'll have to reconsider my stance as a Suns fan. I'm done putting up with watching them accepting horrible trades year after year and slowly selfdustructing the team. They need to do a legit blow-up of the team, and properly rebuild. I don't see how this trade would help them with that at all.

Gortat is the Suns present and future. He has true beast blood. Doesn't complain or sit out over minor injuries, he just plays for the best of the team and puts maximum effort all night every night.

Bynum on the other hand has straight up bitch blood. I don't want his whiny injury prone ass on the Suns bench night after night. Why trade fresh goods for damaged goods? And I don't know if you've noticed but Steve Nash IS the Suns. He's the face of the franchise. They don't want to just give him away.

I agree we should trade Nash, but I'd honestly rather trade him for draft picks than send him away to one of my least favorite teams in the NBA as what would essentially be giveway just so we could exchange our best young player all for someone I couldn't stand to see on the Suns just because of his attitude and durability alone.

[chazzy]

so, hes producing the same numbers as gortat (higher rebounds, worse fg%). yet gortat and nash is a rip off for him? Thats the point. Hes a good and valuable player (would love to have him on my team), but if you think hes the answer going forward for the lakers (or any team) as the guy to build around, you are wrong. Hes a great complimentary piece, though I would argue he was better when he worked harder on D and wasnt as concerned with getting his touches.
I've been arguing against the notion that the Suns get raped in the deal. Gortat's offensive game has really been working in tandem with Nash (80% of his buckets are assisted), while Bynum has been creating for himself more. His touches are also inconsistent playing alongside Pau and Kobe. He's a better defender and rebounder and has more offensive skills imo. That's beyond the point though, I was mainly making a case for Bynum being the 2nd best center (or at least having a strong case for being in the conversation.. something you scoffed at).

None of the other centers you listed are guys you build around as your best player either.. and I doubt the Suns can't get much more than Bynum in a trade. This would never happen either way though.

[boozehound]

I've been arguing against the notion that the Suns get raped in the deal. Gortat's offensive game has really been working in tandem with Nash (80% of his buckets are assisted), while Bynum has been creating for himself more. His touches are also inconsistent playing alongside Pau and Kobe. He's a better defender and rebounder and has more offensive skills imo. That's beyond the point though, I was mainly making a case for Bynum being the 2nd best center (or at least having a strong case for being in the conversation.. something you scoffed at).

None of the other centers you listed are guys you build around as your best player either.. and I doubt the Suns can't get much more than Bynum in a trade. This would never happen either way though.
fair enough.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

This trade doesn't address the fact that the Lakers' PG spot gets raped on a nightly basis...

[DMAVS41]

Chazzy is right on the money here.

The Suns get back a potential franchise player....and they will be much worse right away. Which is actually a good thing.

Of course, Nash is still there because he sells tickets. If this was just about the future of the franchise in terms of winning a title...the Suns would probably make this deal immediately.

Bynum is only 24 years old. If Bynum was in the draft this year....he'd probably be the first pick.

Is it risky for the Suns? Actually no. If Bynum doesn't work out....let him go. Don't pay him in the off season. Suck for a few years and rebuild through the draft.

This upcoming draft is loaded. The Suns are currently 7-13...the worst thing they can do is barely miss the playoffs. They need to suck and get at least a top 10 pick. That helps them hugely in the future. A deal like this would all but assure a very high draft pick without actually tanking. And you get to see what Bynum would be like as the man.

Sadly this won't happen....probably because it makes too much sense. Shame....I'd love to see Nash get another crack at the title the last 2 or 3 years of his career.

Nash/Kobe/Gasol.....what a tremendous offensive big 3. Mike Brown then becomes the perfect coach.....because defense would be the big issue and there aren't many better defensive coaches in the world than Brown.

[Walker]

Wouldn't even do Gortat for Bynum straight up.
And you want Nash too? LOL

No way in hell would I want the injury prone, blackhole, potential lockerroom cancer anywhere near Phoenix.

[Jasper]

Any NAsh tranaction will require Hill in the package ..... they are connected by the hip :banana:

[Rekindled]

Bynum+Ebanks+Morris+first round pick for

Nash+Gortat then take Robin Lopez and Grant Hill in with TPE


Gortat/Lopez
Gasol/Mcroberts
Hill/MWP
Kobe/Barnes/Goudelock
Nash/Blake/Fish

now that's a contending roster with no weakness

[Jasper]

Fish'ee for Nash straight up
Rings 5 vs Rings 0

[wagexslave]

Fish'ee for Nash straight up
Rings 5 vs Rings 0

Proving that rings are meaningless on an individual player basis.

[vinsane01]

Some lakers fans here are over valuing bynum's worth. He isnt the second coming of Shaq nor on the same level as dwight howard. He is one of the top center's in the league but dont act like Gortat is huge step down production wise. And in addition to that you get Steve friggin Nash, who despite his age is still one of the best play makers in the league. In my opinion this guy, if given the right personnel, will arguably still capable of getting 15 and 10. If this offer was presented by phoenix this one is a no brainer for LA.

I heard the suns commentators saying the suns organization has explicitly said that it's nash's call. Nash comes off to me as a very loyal player who'd prefer to play for this non-contending team whose city and basketball organization he likes; rather than cruise with a random contender in hopes of winning a ring. He said so himself that he wont give up on his team and that he made a commitment when he signed a contract. I think that kind of mentally is really admirable. But i think the suns will eventually budge and trade him though.

[Rekindled]

Wouldn't even do Gortat for Bynum straight up.
And you want Nash too? LOL

No way in hell would I want the injury prone, blackhole, potential lockerroom cancer anywhere near Phoenix.

this is why you arent a GM . any gm that think gortat> bynum would be fired asap

[CLTHornets4eva]

I'm not sure the Lakers would do this. The trade favors the Suns slightly (esp. long term), but the Lakers are still super high on bynum and couldn't get Howard if they traded him.

[chazzy]

PHX wont ever trade him. Nash is going to NY after this season. he will never be a laker.
dat nostradumas

Can't believe people thought this was a bad trade for Phoenix....

[BallsOut]

PHX wont ever trade him. Nash is going to NY after this season. he will never be a laker.

dat epic prediction

[Maniak]

He was almost right, to be fair.

[TheeBeast]

So Nash for Bynum? Good idea, how did that go?

[B]

PHX wont ever trade him. Nash is going to NY after this season. he will never be a laker.:lol

[gtfomyface]

how bout nash while keeping bynum :lol

[BallsOut]

PHX wont ever trade him. Nash is going to NY after this season. he will never be a laker.

dat magic globe

[BallsOut]

PHX wont ever trade him. Nash is going to NY after this season. he will never be a laker.

dat fortune teller

[Heavincent]

PHX wont ever trade him. Nash is going to NY after this season. he will never be a laker.

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