Shaq Has Been Swept Out of Playoffs 6 Times

[SilkkTheShocker]

Thats seems like a lot of times to be swept. Pretty pathetic

[32Dayz]

Uh not really.

Shaq was swept out of the playoffs only once in 94.

Every other year he got his teams past the 1st round.

In comparison Jordan lost 3 times in the 1st round (twice to sweeps)
Hakeem lost 8 times in the 1st round (most to sweeps)

When Shaqs team lost or got swept it is because he was surrounded by absolute garbage.
Shaq was the 2nd best playoff performer in the 90's after Jordan
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The only two exceptions are 95 and 96 where he did have decent rosters.

95 = (where Nick Anderson cost them G1 and lost the series because of poor play by his roleplayers and great play by the Rockets roleplayers)

96 = where they faced the 96 Bulls
(no shame to be swept by them)
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Take a look at how he performed in Elimination games over the years.


Shaq in Elimination games.

93 - Magic miss out playoffs by 1 Game.
Game 82 VS Atlanta :

Shaq : 31 / 18 / 3ast on .750%FG / .636%FT

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94 - Magic swept by Pacers in 3 Games.
Game 3 @ Indiana :

Shaq : 23 / 14 / 2ast on .530%FG

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95 - Magic swept by Rockets in 4 Games.
Game 4 @ Houstan :

Shaq : 25 / 12 / 3ast / 4blk on .580% FG

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96 - Magic swept by Bulls in 4 Games.
Game 4 VS Chicago :

Shaq : 28 / 9 / 3ast / 3blk on .846%FG (11-13) / .667%FT (6-9)

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97 - LA loses to Utah in 5 Games.
Game 5 @ Utah :

Shaq : 23 / 13 / 5ast on .530%FG

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98 - LA swept by Utah in 4 Games.
Game 4 VS Utah :

Shaq : 38 / 7 on .583%FG

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99 - LA swept by Spurs in 4 Games.
Game 4 VS Spurs :

Shaq : 36 / 14 (8 offensive) on .522% FG/FT

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00 - LA beats Indiana in 6 Games.
Game 6 VS Indiana :

Shaq : 41 / 12 / 4blk on .594%FG

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01 - LA beats Sixers in 5 Games.
Game 5 @ Philidelphia :

Shaq : 29 / 13 / 5blk on .556%FG

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02 - LA sweeps Nets in 4 Games.
Game 4 @ New Jersey

Shaq : 34 / 10 / 4ast / 2blk on .600%FG / .625%FT (10-16)

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03 - LA loses to Spurs in 6 Games.
Game 6 VS Spurs :

Shaq : 31 / 10 / 3ast / 3blk on .620%FG

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04 - LA loses to Detroit in 5 Games.
Game 5 @ Detroit :

Shaq : 20 / 8 on .540%FG

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05 - MIA loses to Detroit in 7 Games.
Game 7 VS Detroit :

Shaq : 27 / 9 / 2stl / 3blk on .632%FG

[Hittin_Shots]

Sweep like 4-0 series right... So whats 32dayz not really'ing?

You get stupider every day 32dayz

[32Dayz]

Sweep like 4-0 series right... So whats 32dayz not really'ing?

Pretty much every ATGreat has lost 6+ times in the playoffs.

Shaq only once failed to lead his team past the first round while most ATGreats have lost multiple times in the 1st round.

Its better to get swept in the 2nd Round, CNFinalz or Finalz then it is to lose in 5-7 games in the first round.

If Jordan was so great how come he lost 7 times in the playoffs.
How come he got swept 3 times in the first round?
How come he got swept by the Shaq led Magic in 95?

Trying to judge individuals by team failures or even successes is very stupid imo.

Shaq was usually the best player in those series in which they got "swept" outside of maybe 95 and 97.

-Owned
-Next

[Hittin_Shots]

Pretty much every ATGreat has lost 6+ times in the playoffs.

Shaq only once failed to lead his team past the first round while most ATGreats have lost multiple times in the 1st round.

Its better to get swept in the 2nd Round, CNFinalz or Finalz then it is to lose in 5-7 games in the first round.

If Jordan was so great how come he lost 7 times in the playoffs.
How come he got swept 3 times in the first round?
How come he got swept by the Shaq led Magic in 95?

Trying to judge individuals by team failures or even successes is very stupid imo.

Shaq was usually the best player in those series in which they got "swept" outside of maybe 95 and 97.

-Owned
-Next

Owning would require anything you said to refute that he got swept 6 times.. I didn't see that anywhere, so I'm guessing you failed.

[32Dayz]

Owning would require anything you said to refute that he got swept 6 times.. I didn't see that anywhere, so I'm guessing you failed.

Getting swept because you're team wasn't good enough to beat the opposing team while being the best or close 2nd best player in the series is not a bad thing.

Its just a fact that the better team always wins and an individual cannot change that no matter how good he is or how well he plays.

You got owned because you tried to hate on Oneal and were proven to be a stupid blubbering idiot.

:cheers:

[dunksby]

It's embarrassing, Shaq is nowhere even near the all-time greats, if you get swept 6 times in the playoffs it means you are just not good enough.

Waits for 32dayz to start crying

[Hittin_Shots]

Getting swept because you're team wasn't good enough to beat the opposing team while being the best or close 2nd best player in the series is not a bad thing.

Its just a fact that the better team always wins and an individual cannot change that no matter how good he is or how well he plays.

You got owned because you tried to hate on Oneal and were proven to be a stupid blubbering idiot.

:cheers:

I didn't get owned or hate on O'neal once, so your very bad at reading. I hated on you for arguing against a fact. I didn't argue against any of the facts you brought in I simply said they didn't change the Op's statement from being true.

[Hittin_Shots]

Are you going to write another paragraph or more and say owned at the end again?

[32Dayz]

It's embarrassing, Shaq is nowhere even near the all-time greats, if you get swept 6 times in the playoffs it means you are just not good enough.

You're a bad Troll.

Shaq was only swept in 5 series.

94 - Best player in the series
95 - Very close 2nd best player in the series
96 - Best player in the series (or very close 2nd best its debatable)
98 - Very close 2nd best player in the series
99 - Best player in the series (or very close 2nd best its debatable)

As you can see he was pretty much always either the best or a very close 2nd best player in those series. The difference was the opposing teams as a whole were much better.
One player cannot make up for the mistakes or deficiency's of their teams if they are so great in comparison to the opposing teams.

-Owned.
-Next.

[32Dayz]

Getting swept means losing in any round 4-0.

The point is the OP is a Troll trying to act like those teams were swept because of some sort of deficiency by Shaq.

When the truth is Shaq was either the best or a very close 2nd best player in those series.

Those Shaq teams only lost (or got swept) because the opposing teams as a whole were much better (or played much better)

Outside of 95 and 96 his Casts were complete and utter garbage.
95 - He led them to the Finals
96 - Lost to the 96 Bulls one of the GOAT Teams.

Oneal accomplished as much as he could have in the 90's with the mostly trash rosters he was given and the teams he faced.

[dunksby]

It's truly embarrassing and humiliating to have been swept that many times.

[32Dayz]

I am a very obvious Troll.

Welcome to the ignore list fgt.

:cheers:

Shaq was swept 5 Times (only once in the first round)
Jordan was swept 4 Times (3 times in the first round)

I guess you think Jordan sucks also.

Dumbass.

[White Mamba]

he got swept with the heat too.

but its not a big deal in my opinion, he is still one of the greats.

[32Dayz]

he got swept with the heat too.

but its not a big deal in my opinion, he is still one of the greats.

Shaq was washed up after 06, I could care less what he failed or accomplished after that.

Point is many other of the truly top ATGreats have been swept just as many times or almost as many times and have lost many more times in earlier rounds then Oneal did.
(Dont tell me its better to lose in 7 games in the 2nd round then to get swept in the Finals.

It makes no sense to try and single him out and act like he was different especially considering in most of those sweeps he was either the best player or a very close 2nd best player.

The OP is just a dumb Troll who should be banned.

[Whoah10115]

Please don't come with this shit about him being surrounded by absolute garbage. Past his 1st season, Shaq had a good team every single season he played in the NBA.

[32Dayz]

Please don't come with this shit about him being surrounded by absolute garbage. Past his 1st season, Shaq had a good team every single season he played in the NBA.

You're an idiot then who didn't watch the playoffs in the 90's.

Outside of 95 and 96 he was surrounded by complete trash.

And Van Exel and Young Kobe played like complete trash in the late 90's playoffs so they were trash.

Dont try and tell me their names make up for their piss poor performances.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Shaq was washed up after 06, I could care less what he failed or accomplished after that.

Point is many other of the truly top ATGreats have been swept just as many times or almost as many times and have lost many more times in earlier rounds then Oneal did.
(Dont tell me its better to lose in 7 games in the 2nd round then to get swept in the Finals.

It makes no sense to try and single him out and act like he was different especially considering in most of those sweeps he was either the best player or a very close 2nd best player.

The OP is just a dumb Troll who should be banned.


Calm down *** boy. I will give you credit. If I looked like you, I probably would have walked into traffic a long time ago

[32Dayz]

Calm down *** boy. I will give you credit. If I looked like you, I probably would have walked into traffic a long time ago

lol I wouldn't trade my looks with anyone
(not that you know what I look like).

It's nice to know your a multi though who made this thread specifically to Troll me but then ended up getting owned and embarrassed.

Nice try. :cheers:

[Duncan21formvp]

Welcome to the ignore list fgt.

:cheers:

Shaq was swept 5 Times (only once in the first round)
Jordan was swept 4 Times (3 times in the first round)

I guess you think Jordan sucks also.

Dumbass.

Jordan was not swept 4 times. He was swept twice and both times on teams below .500 to an alltime great team. Shaq was swept when he was on championship teams. 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999 to name a few. He also was swept in 1994 by the Pacers who had not made it out of round 1 in the NBA prior to that time.

[Duncan21formvp]

You're an idiot then who didn't watch the playoffs in the 90's.

Outside of 95 and 96 he was surrounded by complete trash.

And Van Exel and Young Kobe played like complete trash in the late 90's playoffs so they were trash.

Dont try and tell me their names make up for their piss poor performances.
There is no way the 1998 team was absolute garbage. That team won 61 games and had 4 guys who was on the allstar team that season.
They were 46-14 with Shaq in 1998 and 14-7 without him.

[32Dayz]

Jordan was not swept 4 times. He was swept twice and both times on teams below .500 to an alltime great team. Shaq was swept when he was on championship teams. 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999 to name a few. He also was swept in 1994 by the Pacers who had not made it out of round 1 in the NBA prior to that time.

He lost in 94 because his supporting Cast played like s***.

He lost in 95 because Hakeems supporting Cast
(the roleplayers dramatically outplayed Shaqs roleplayers)

He lost in 96 because the Bulls were simply a much better team.
He lost in 97 because his supporting Cast played like s***.
He lost in 98 because his supporting Cast played like s***.
He lost in 99 because he was injured and his supporting Cast played like s***.

If you dont believe me go check the box scores.

Doesn't make sense to blame the best player or 2nd best player in a series for losing, thats just retarded.

[32Dayz]

There is no way the 1998 team was absolute garbage. That team won 61 games and had 4 guys who was on the allstar team that season.
They were 46-14 with Shaq in 1998 and 14-7 without him.

Go check the box scores for the 98 series LA VS Utah.

Check out how that cast (outside of Shaq played)

Why does it matter if his team played good during the regular season and got alot of wins if they played like garbage in the series they got eliminated in?

His supporting Cast in 98 played like trash against Utah and that is why they lost, if you cant understand that then I cant help you.

Shaq was a close 2nd to Malone in that 98 series, he was absolutely amazing.
If you really blame him for that series sweep then you're an idiot or a troll (like the op).
:facepalm

Not trying to be a d*** but if you watched the games you'd understand why they lost.

#1. Because of terrible coaching.
#2. Because of terrible play by pretty much everyone not named Shaq.

[SilkkTheShocker]

32 Gayz is such an insecure little b1tch lmao :oldlol:

[32Dayz]

32Dayz is so handsome.

How am I insecure.

You are the one saying something (or implying something) that is blatantly not true just to try and get a rise out of me.

You're dumb man and a failure even at your only calling (being a Troll).

:facepalm

Also quit hitting on me.

lol I think this is millwads multi he is the only one dumb enough to try and diss me like that.

[SilkkTheShocker]

How am I insecure.

You are the one saying something (or implying something) that is blatantly not true just to try and get a rise out of me.

You're dumb man and a failure even at your only calling (being a Troll).

:facepalm

Also quit hitting on me.

lol I think this is millwads multi he is the only one dumb enough to try and diss me like that.

Don't flatter yourself ugly :oldlol:

I saw the pic of you in the "Dumbest Things You Have Heard on ISH" thread. You look like you were locked in a burning dumpster and they put the flame out with rocks

[LakersReign]

I like it how he flip flops on certain subjects in different topics. He says with absolution that Shaq was the sole reason behind the Lakers championships, cuz according to him, Shaq was the most dominant ever. Then, when it's brought up that he was swept out of the playoffs however many times, the idiot then says, it's cuz his teammates sucked.:roll:




(AND......cue the rage response):lol

[32Dayz]

Don't flatter yourself ugly :oldlol:

I saw the pic of you in the "Dumbest Things You Have Heard on ISH" thread. You look like you were locked in a burning dumpster and they put the flame out with rocks

That picture is some random googled kid.

I am not Asian and no one on this forum has a picture of me or knows what I look like specifically.

Nice try though ugly.

:cheers:

[32Dayz]

98 - Orlando is again Swept by Utah but unlike the previous year Utah was unable to contain Shaq who had an extremely Dominant HOF worthy series against them.

G1 : Shaq has a subpar game putting up 19/10 (5offensive) but his supporting cast played far worse with Bryant shooting 4-14 Van Exel going 1-9 and Rick Fox the only other starter besides Shaq in double figures (Eddie J scored 6 Points) they didnt have much of a chance here.

G2 : Shaq is Dominant 14-21 from the field scoring 31 points, Eddie J also has a decent game but the rest of the LA supporting cast plays poorly not managing double figures and besides Horry (starter) who went 0-2 the other 2 starters shot 30% from the Field and Bryant/Exel again both took 10+ shots while shooting 30% from the field.

G3 : Shaq is once against left trying to lift the load while his team mates falter. Oneal scores 39 points and pulls down 15 boards before fouling out, none of the other starts contribute much if anything besides Eddie J who put up 16 points but did so on 6-19 shooting. Van Exel is terrible off the bench shooting 2-13.

G4 : Shaq once again is forced to carry the load and trys to extend the series by putting up 38 points on 60% shooting but is given very little help by his supporting cast. other then Eddie J who had a decent overall game with 19/6 the rest of his starters combined for 13 points on 4-17 shooting. Bench production was awful with Van Exel contributing another awful shooting night going 3-8 and Elden Campbell going 1-7 the only other bench player who even had attempts was Kobe with 2 FG attempts.

[BlueandGold]

Doesn't make sense to blame the best player or 2nd best player in a series for losing, thats just retarded.

that's normally what happens when you get the most touches, you take the lions-share of the credit or blame.

[32Dayz]

that's normally what happens when you get the most touches, you take the lions-share of the credit or blame.

Even if thats true Shaq has not been swept or hasnt lost more times or in a worse fashion then 99% of the other truly top ATGreats.

And anyone who blames the super-star who has a dominant series but loses or gets swept because his team played poorly is simply an idiot and should not be discussing basketball in the first place.


98 - Orlando is again Swept by Utah but unlike the previous year Utah was unable to contain Shaq who had an extremely Dominant HOF worthy series against them.

G1 : Shaq has a subpar game putting up 19/10 (5offensive) but his supporting cast played far worse with Bryant shooting 4-14 Van Exel going 1-9 and Rick Fox the only other starter besides Shaq in double figures (Eddie J scored 6 Points) they didnt have much of a chance here.

G2 : Shaq is Dominant 14-21 from the field scoring 31 points, Eddie J also has a decent game but the rest of the LA supporting cast plays poorly not managing double figures and besides Horry (starter) who went 0-2 the other 2 starters shot 30% from the Field and Bryant/Exel again both took 10+ shots while shooting 30% from the field.

G3 : Shaq is once against left trying to lift the load while his team mates falter. Oneal scores 39 points and pulls down 15 boards before fouling out, none of the other starts contribute much if anything besides Eddie J who put up 16 points but did so on 6-19 shooting. Van Exel is terrible off the bench shooting 2-13.

G4 : Shaq once again is forced to carry the load and trys to extend the series by putting up 38 points on 60% shooting but is given very little help by his supporting cast. other then Eddie J who had a decent overall game with 19/6 the rest of his starters combined for 13 points on 4-17 shooting. Bench production was awful with Van Exel contributing another awful shooting night going 3-8 and Elden Campbell going 1-7 the only other bench player who even had attempts was Kobe with 2 FG attempts.

[32Dayz]

Anyway I proved my point and showed that Shaq only lost because he faced better teams or because of the failure of his teammates and supporting casts.

If the Trolls wanna come in now and comment that's fine because I wont be checking this thread again.

Peace. :cheers:

[Hittin_Shots]

Anyway I proved my point and showed that Shaq only lost because he faced better teams or because of the failure of his teammates and supporting casts.

If the Trolls wanna come in now and comment that's fine because I wont be checking this thread again.

Peace. :cheers:

Seeya troll.

[LakersReign]

Even if thats true Shaq has not been swept or hasnt lost more times or in a worse fashion then 99% of the other truly top ATGreats.

And anyone who blames the super-star who has a dominant series but loses or gets swept because his team played poorly is simply an idiot and should not be discussing basketball in the first place.


Which is exactly what he does to Kobe is 99% of his posts. So....by his own admission, he calls himself an idiot and solidifies the fact that he shouldn't be talking about basketball:roll:


PURE SELF OWNAGE!!!!:applause:

[BlueandGold]

Which is exactly what he does to Kobe is 99% of his posts. So....by his own admission, he admits to being an idiot and that he shouldn't be talking about basketball:roll:


PURE SELF OWNAGE!!!!:applause:
lol I was actually going to type something stating the irony of that since he replied to my post but I just decided it would be best if I didn't.. I agree with what he's saying (shaq didn't get enough help, can't fault superstar for teammmates failures) but the way he's going about doing it is :facepalm

[LakersReign]

lol I was actually going to type something stating the irony of that since he replied to my post but I just decided it would be best if I didn't.. I agree with what he's saying (shaq didn't get enough help, can't fault superstar for teammmates failures) but the way he's going about doing it is :facepalm


The thing about it is, if it's like that for Shaq, then it should be the same for Kobe, but not according to that fool.

[FKAri]

Well ofcourse. Shaq would be a scrub in today's NBA. A poor man's Andrew Bynum.

[BlueandGold]

The thing about it is, if it's like that for Shaq, then it should be the same for Kobe, but not according to that fool.
Yes I got it, trust me the irony is not lost on me.

[tazb]

Who cares hes a HOFer. And has more rings than 95% of the NBA, and your username is SilkTheShocker, cos you support down syndrome hip hop

[Burgz]

I didn't get owned or hate on O'neal once, so your very bad at reading. I hated on you for arguing against a fact. I didn't argue against any of the facts you brought in I simply said they didn't change the Op's statement from being true.

and "your" very bad at writing

[tpols]

Really says something about Shaq as a leader that he let his team fall so hardso many times. Is this the most times ever an all time great has been swept out of the playoffs? Pretty embarrassing.

[Hittin_Shots]

and "your" very bad at writing

you're's are too much effort.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Who cares hes a HOFer. And has more rings than 95% of the NBA, and your username is SilkTheShocker, cos you support down syndrome hip hop

Well you responded to this thread, so you obviously care. LMAO at this clown :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

32DayzOnline is so mad :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

There is absolutely no excuse for getting swept 6 times in your career. Absolutely friggin pathetic. And some people have this guy above Kareem? Lmao

[PTB Fan]

Yeah, he's been swept in the playoffs but he has had major success as well.

[SilkkTheShocker]

32DayzOnline is so mad :oldlol:

:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yeah, he's been swept in the playoffs but he has had major success as well.

The man was swept 6 different times.

[32Dayz]

#1.
Jordan : Post Season - PER
Peak : 32
Top 5 : 30.16
Top 7 : 29.61
Top 10 : 28.89
Top 13 : 28.6

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#2.
Shaq : Post Season - PER
Peak : 31
Top 5 : 30
Top 7 : 29.56
Top 10 : 28.52
Top 13 : 26.55
14th to 16th Season (Final 3 Seasons) - 18.33

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#3.
Wilt Chamberlain : Post Season - PER
Peak : 31.3
Top 5 : 28.36
Top 7 : 27.59
Top 10 : 25.46
Top 13 : 22.8

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#5.
Kareem : Post Season - PER
Peak : 32.4
Top 5 : 27.4
Top 7 : 25.64
Top 10 : 25.42
Top 13 : 24.7
14th to 16th Season (3 Seasons) - 20.9
Last 2 Seasons : 12.85 (26.65 MPG)

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Shaq is the 2nd best playoff performer in NBA history after Jordan in terms of Production and Longetivity over a Career.

He has won more then 95% of players in NBA history and has more FMVP's then all but a handful of players.

He has the greatest Prime and Peak of any player.

Shaq is truly one of the 3 or at worst 5 greatest players to ever play the game and although some may rank him from 5-7 its obvious to people who actually understand what a great career he had that he belongs lower then that.

He has absolutely nothing left to prove at a NBA player or as a playoff performer.

:applause:

Silkthefgt I think listening to that downsyndrome rap has effected your intellect.

[Deuce Bigalow]

wrong

Playoff PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.59
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 26.31
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.12
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Tim Duncan 25.43
7. Dirk Nowitzki 24.75
8. Tracy McGrady 24.66
9. Dwyane Wade 24.56
10. Charles Barkley* 24.18

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

wrong

Playoff PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.59
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 26.31
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.12
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Tim Duncan 25.43
7. Dirk Nowitzki 24.75
8. Tracy McGrady 24.66
9. Dwyane Wade 24.56
10. Charles Barkley* 24.18

Where's Kobe?

[SilkkTheShocker]

32Gayz, you can show me all the stats you want but losing in the 1st round 6 ****ing times is PATHETIC!!!! lmao Are you going to tell me fatboy couldn't even muster 1 friggin win in some of these series? He is defintiely the best player ever to have been swept 6 times in his career. Very impressive.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Where's Kobe?
wheres magic, kareem, and bird?

[Burgz]

people are forgetting that it takes a team to get swept

i understand he is the star player and all but you win and lose as a team

judging a player by how many rings they have is a similar argument, rewarding a player's legacy for team accomplishments/failures

there is an obvious agenda here and i find it ridiculous that a player is judged by how he lost rather than how he won

[32Dayz]

you can show me all the stats you want but losing in the 1st round 6 ****ing times is PATHETIC!!!! lmao Are you going to tell me fatboy couldn't even muster 1 friggin win in some of these series? He is defintiely the best player ever to have been swept 6 times in his career. Very impressive.

Losing while putting up incredible performances is not pathetic.
It just clearly highlights the failure of his teammates that year or the quality of the teams they faced (95 Rockets, 96 Bulls)

In 95 and 96 it was a combination of both but in most other years his supporting Casts simply didn't play well.

You cant fault someone for the failures of others and that is what you are trying desperately hard to do in your bid to troll me and others.

Also Shaq has not lost or lost more often then 99% of NBA greats including players in the Top 1-5 and 5-10 same in the sweeps category which renders your opinion useless. Losing is losing weather its in 5 games or 3 games or whatever.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

wheres magic, kareem, and bird?

"DA GAWD" not making the top 10 is sacrilegious.

[LakersReign]

people are forgetting that it takes a team to get swept

i understand he is the star player and all but you win and lose as a team

judging a player by how many rings they have is a similar argument, rewarding a player's legacy for team accomplishments/failures

there is an obvious agenda here and i find it ridiculous that a player is judged by how he lost rather than how he won

People on here do that all the time in regards to Kobe. And most of the people doing it, are in fact either Kobe haters, or bandwagon Lebron fans

[Deuce Bigalow]

"DA GAWD" not making the top 10 is sacrilegious.
look at a boxscore, tell me if you see PER on there

[SilkkTheShocker]

people are forgetting that it takes a team to get swept

i understand he is the star player and all but you win and lose as a team

judging a player by how many rings they have is a similar argument, rewarding a player's legacy for team accomplishments/failures

there is an obvious agenda here and i find it ridiculous that a player is judged by how he lost rather than how he won

There is no agenda at all. I just find it inexcusable a top 10 player of all time has been swept 6 times. Once by the likes of the Luol Deng led Bulls. :oldlol:

[PTB Fan]

The man was swept 6 different times.

Yes, he was. He won four titles and three Finals MVPs as well.

It's all good.

[32Dayz]

There is no agenda at all. I just find it inexcusable a top 10 player of all time has been swept 6 times. Once by the likes of the Luol Deng led Bulls. :oldlol:

Shaq was a shell of himself after 06 but I guess you can ignore that because you're a retard.

From 93-06 he only lost once in the first round.
He did not lose more times then any of the other ATGreats.

Losing in 3 games or in 4 games or in 7 games is no different, losing is losing.

[Burgz]

People on here do that all the time in regards to Kobe. And most of the people doing it, are in fact either Kobe haters, or bandwagon Lebron fans

And? Does that make it ok? If you defend this type of argument then you can't complain if people say similar things about Kobe because its the same type of argument.

if the lakers lost game 7 of the '10 finals, would you blame the loss on Kobe? if he had a great game, would you blame him then?

is it Kobe's fault the lakers got swept last year?

[Burgz]

There is no agenda at all. I just find it inexcusable a top 10 player of all time has been swept 6 times. Once by the likes of the Luol Deng led Bulls. :oldlol:

yes there is.

to say there isnt is just being naive.

in a thread about shaq someone replies to my comment saying Kobe twice and LeBron once and doesn't even mention how it relates to shaq :rolleyes:

[32Dayz]

It still dont understand how losing in a sweep is worse then losing in 5-7 games.

Isn't losing a series losing a series?

Wouldn't things like how far the team advanced and how well the player performed in the series in which they got eliminated in hold more importance then if they got swept or lost in 5-7 games?

Or would a player who loses in the 1st round and performs terribly but takes the series to 7 games be looked at as better then a player who carried his team to the Finals and got swept while having an amazing series?

The OP has no logic and is an obvious Troll.

:hammerhead:

[LakersReign]

And? Does that make it ok? If you defend this type of argument then you can't complain if people say similar things about Kobe because its the same type of argument.

if the lakers lost game 7 of the '10 finals, would you blame the loss on Kobe? if he had a great game, would you blame him then?

is it Kobe's fault the lakers got swept last year?

Never said it was ok, and never once said I agreed with it. But the fact is Kobe gets blamed regardless. And no, I don't think it was his fault they got swept in last years playoffs. That was the team not stepping up. Kobe was the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option as far as offense. The still expected to play defense as well. He did all he could, everybody else didn't.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

This thread will stand as a monument for the argument that 32days is indeed batshit insane. WTF is he arguing about?

Nobody cares about you, your opinion, whatever you are doing. You don't care he got swept? It does not change that simple little fact. What are you on?

[Deuce Bigalow]

This thread will stand as a monument for the argument that 32days is indeed batshit insane. WTF is he arguing about?

Nobody cares about you, your opinion, whatever you are doing. You don't care he got swept? It does not change that simple little fact. What are you on?
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[32Dayz]

Actually there are a large group of posters here who enjoy my posts and incite.

They enjoy the fact that I post using logic, examples and statistics.

You and the small group of ultra insane, ultra stupid and ultra annoying Kobe stans will always dislike me and pretend that you speak for everyone but in reality you only speak for your small, weird, secluded, hated group.

:cheers:

[Burgz]

Never said it was ok, and never once said I agreed with it. But the fact is Kobe gets blamed regardless. And no, I don't think it was his fault they got swept in last years playoffs. That was the team not stepping up. Kobe was the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option as far as offense. The still expected to play defense as well. He did all he could, everybody else didn't.

and that is the argument being made about shaq as well

his teammates did not step up in those series' but he being blamed simply because it is "unacceptable" to get swept

yes it may have been swept 6 times but you have to put it in context of his performances if you're going to argue that. That is exactly what you just did right there with kobe, you put it in context to how his teammates were performing

[Burgz]

32Gayz, you can show me all the stats you want but losing in the 1st round 6 ****ing times is PATHETIC!!!! lmao Are you going to tell me fatboy couldn't even muster 1 friggin win in some of these series? He is defintiely the best player ever to have been swept 6 times in his career. Very impressive.

name the years he lost in the first round

[32Dayz]

name the years he lost in the first round

Lol wow did he actually say that?

From 94-06 he lost only once in the first round which was 1994 the first year he had ever made the playoffs.

[LakersReign]

and that is the argument being made about shaq as well

his teammates did not step up in those series' but he being blamed simply because it is "unacceptable" to get swept

yes it may have been swept 6 times but you have to put it in context of his performances if you're going to argue that. That is exactly what you just did right there with kobe, you put it in context to how his teammates were performing

That's what any REASONABLE NBA fan would do. People who do otherwise have an agenda and clearly have no real idea or understanding of what they're talking about.

[REACTION]

1994: Swept in 1st round by Indiana 3-0
1995: Swept in the finals by Houston 4-0
1996: Swept in ECF by Chicago 4-0
1998: Swept in WCF by Utah 4-0
1999: Swept in 2nd round by San Antonio 4-0
2007: Swept in 1st round by Chicago in 4-0

So yeah, six.

[32Dayz]

1994: Swept in 1st round by Indiana 3-0
1995: Swept in the finals by Houston 4-0
1996: Swept in ECF by Chicago 4-0
1998: Swept in WCF by Utah 4-0
1999: Swept in 2nd round by San Antonio 4-0
2007: Swept in 1st round by Chicago in 4-0

So yeah, six.

Shaq was a shell of himself in 07, you're an idiot if you count that.

Shaqs Career is from 93-06.

[REACTION]

Shaq was a shell of himself in 07, you're an idiot if you count that.

Shaqs Career is from 93-06.

The Heat were the defending champs that year... but yeah, I don't mind if you call it 5 sweeps.

[Burgz]

Lol wow did he actually say that?

From 94-06 he lost only once in the first round which was 1994 the first year he had ever made the playoffs.

exactly my point

he said that he lost 6 times in the first round which was the point i was trying to prove

[Burgz]

That's what any REASONABLE NBA fan would do. People who do otherwise have an agenda and clearly have no real idea or understanding of what they're talking about.

exactly my point

i cant fault shaq for being swept because it isnt for his lack of effort and dominance

[REACTION]

name the years he lost in the first round

Only twice. 1994 and 2007.

[Burgz]

Only twice. 1994 and 2007.

thank you

@SilkkTheShocker: Shaq never lost 6 times in the first round

[SilkkTheShocker]

Shaq was a shell of himself after 06 but I guess you can ignore that because you're a retard.

From 93-06 he only lost once in the first round.
He did not lose more times then any of the other ATGreats.

Losing in 3 games or in 4 games or in 7 games is no different, losing is losing.


lmao swept 6 f*cking times

Even the 07 Lakers beat the Suns once in the playoffs. Ben gordon was just too much for the heat lmao

[32Dayz]

lmao swept 6 f*cking times

Even the 07 Lakers beat the Suns once in the playoffs. Ben gordon was just too much for the heat lmao

I dont get your point.

In the end losing is losing.

In terms of importance it would go.

Individual player performance > playoff advancement > games won/lost.

Shaq rarely lost in the first round and almost always performed at a very high and dominant level.

The idea that he lost or that he was a loser in comparison to most other ATGreats who lost just as much if not more and most of them performed worse while not advancing as far is ludacris.

Like I said you may be stupid enough to believe performing poorly and losing in the first round in 7 games is better then performing dominantly and getting swept in the finals but we arent.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I dont get your point.

In the end losing is losing.

In terms of importance it would go.

Individual player performance > playoff advancement > games won/lost.

Shaq rarely lost in the first round and almost always performed at a very high and dominant level.

The idea that he lost or that he was a loser in comparison to most other ATGreats who lost just as much if not more and most of them performed worse while not advancing as far is ludacris.

Like I said you may be stupid enough to believe performing poorly and losing in the first round in 7 games is better then performing dominantly and getting swept in the finals but we arent.

My point is that he got SWEPT like a big fat bitch 6 friggin times. Thats absolutely pathetic no matter how hard you try to spin it clown

[32Dayz]

big fat bitch

ok. :oldlol:

[REACTION]

Here are the stats, for anyone who would be intrested.

Shaq's Teams That Got Swept: Six

1994: Swept in 1st round by Indiana 3-0
1995: Swept in the finals by Houston 4-0
1996: Swept in ECF by Chicago 4-0
1998: Swept in WCF by Utah 4-0
1999: Swept in 2nd round by San Antonio 4-0
2007: Swept in 1st round by Chicago in 4-0


Times Shaq Lost in the Second Round: Five

1997, 1999, 2003, 2010, 2011.


Times Shaq Lost in the First Round: Two

1994, 2007.


Times Shaq Did Not Make the Playoffs: Three

1993 with Orlando
2008 with Miami
2009 with Phoenix

[SilkkTheShocker]

Here are the stats, for anyone who would be intrested.

Shaq's Teams That Got Swept: Six

1994: Swept in 1st round by Indiana 3-0
1995: Swept in the finals by Houston 4-0
1996: Swept in ECF by Chicago 4-0
1998: Swept in WCF by Utah 4-0
1999: Swept in 2nd round by San Antonio 4-0
2007: Swept in 1st round by Chicago in 4-0


Times Shaq Lost in the Second Round: Five

1997, 1999, 2003, 2010, 2011.


Times Shaq Lost in the First Round: Two

1994, 2007.


Times Shaq Did Not Make the Playoffs: Three

1993 with Orlando
2008 with Miami
2009 with Phoenix


HAHA I forgot how the Suns made the WCF after trading Shaq for loose change

[Burgz]

My point is that he got SWEPT like a big fat bitch 6 friggin times. Thats absolutely pathetic no matter how hard you try to spin it clown

it's hard to know who the troll is now

you're actually making me sympathetic to 32dayz, if i could i would neg you just for that alone

[Burgz]

HAHA I forgot how the Suns made the WCF after trading Shaq for loose change

shaq's prime ended in '05-06

he was doo doo after so i dont know why that even matters

[32Dayz]

Reaction why didn't you post the times he made it to the Finals?

1995 : Lost but had an amazing series.
2000 : Title / FMVP
2001 : Title / FMVP
2002 : Title / FMVP
2004 : Lost but had an amazing series.
2006 : Title

[Burgz]

Reaction why didn't you post the times he made it to the Finals?

1995 : Lost but had an amazing series.
2000 : Title / FMVP
2001 : Title / FMVP
2002 : Title / FMVP
2004 : Lost but had an amazing series
2006 : Title

for once i actually agree with something you say

people in this thread are focusing more on how he lost rather than how he won

shaq has some of the greatest finals performances in NBA HISTORY

to silkktheshocker shaq with the suns = shaq for his entire career :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

must be too young to remember

[JohnnyWall]

shaq's prime ended in '05-06

he was doo doo after so i dont know why that even matters

That just goes to show how durable Kobe is. Shaq was doo doo after 34, meanwhile Kobe is putting up near career numbers at 33. :applause:

[Burgz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOTiVfPOlwg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMX1FGwyr38

calling him a fat bitch is just being a hater

[Burgz]

That just goes to show how durable Kobe is. Shaq was doo doo after 34, meanwhile Kobe is putting up near career numbers at 33. :applause:

career highs (save one year) in turnovers and career low in 3pt % while on pace to attempt 300+ threes in a lockout season :lol

and big men deteriorate faster than guards

the point is not to compare the two because you can't, totally different players, different games

[wang4three]

What's with people thinking that successful people don't fail one time or another?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That just goes to show how durable Kobe is. Shaq was doo doo after 34, meanwhile Kobe is putting up near career numbers at 33. :applause:

Keep in mind, Shaq is 7'0" and well over 300lbs. Over time that's gotta be a strain on your back and toll on your knees.

[Burgz]

Keep in mind, Shaq is 7'0" and well over 300lbs. Over time that's gotta be a strain on your back and toll on your knees.

exactly my point

especially considering shaq spent the majority of his career as a bruiser while kobe relies on finesse + doesn't have to deal with handchecks

[JohnnyWall]

Titles

Kobe: 5 (00, 01, 02, 09, 10)
Shaq: 4 (00, 01, 02, 06)

Finals Appearances

Kobe: 7 (00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09, 10)
Shaq: 6 (95, 00, 01, 02, 04, 06)

Conference Finals Appearances

Kobe: 8 (98, 00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09, 10)
Shaq: 9 (95, 96, 98, 00, 01, 02, 04, 05, 06)

Number of Times Swept

Kobe: 3 (98, 99, 11)
Shaq: 6 (94, 95, 96, 98, 99, 07)

1st-Round Exits

Kobe: 2 (06, 07)
Shaq: 2 (94, 07)

2nd-Round Exits

Kobe: 4 (97, 99, 03, 11)
Shaq: 5 (97, 99, 03, 10, 11)

Missed the Playoffs

Kobe: 1 (05)
Shaq: 3 (93, 08, 09)

[ChrisKreager]

Looking at those sweeps:

1994- Indiana drained a late three to win game 1 that psychologically hurt the Magic. Hard to recover from that.

1995- That game 1 loss to Houston was an all-time heartbreaker.

1996- No Horace Grant, and they were up against a relentless killing machine in the 72-10 Bulls.

1998- The Lakers were not quite ready.

1999- Dropped game 2 heartbreaker, had trouble stopping Duncan.

2007- Miami was a flawed team all year and they were lucky to overtake Wizards for division. Drew short straw against dangerous Bulls team that had their number.

[tpols]

"DA GAWD" not making the top 10 is sacrilegious.
Efficiency =/= winning.. never has. Bird and Magic are the two greatest team players of all time.

[Burgz]

Titles

Kobe: 5 (00, 01, 02, 09, 10)
Shaq: 4 (00, 01, 02, 06)

Finals Appearances

Kobe: 7 (00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09, 10)
Shaq: 6 (95, 00, 01, 02, 04, 06)

Conference Finals Appearances

Kobe: 8 (98, 00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09, 10)
Shaq: 9 (95, 96, 98, 00, 01, 02, 04, 05, 06)

Number of Times Swept

Kobe: 3 (98, 99, 11)
Shaq: 6 (94, 95, 96, 98, 99, 07)

1st-Round Exits

Kobe: 2 (06, 07)
Shaq: 2 (94, 07)

2nd-Round Exits

Kobe: 4 (97, 99, 03, 11)
Shaq: 5 (97, 99, 03, 10, 11)

Missed the Playoffs

Kobe: 1 (05)
Shaq: 3 (93, 08, 09)

all of this is irrelevant without context

you have to examine who they played against, who they played with and such

there is a clear agenda in a post like this and in this thread in general

get a life kobe fans, not every thread has to be about kobe

and for the record much of those accomplishments by kobe are not possible without shaq

[BGriffin's Dad]

and for the record much of those accomplishments by kobe are not possible without shaq

^this, and vice versa

[Bigsmoke]

Shaq' pick and roll defense was why the Jazz blew by the Lakers in 1998.

[LakersReign]

get a life kobe fans, not every thread has to be about kobe
and for the record much of those accomplishments by kobe are not possible without shaq

Laker/Kobe fans aren't the ones who ALWAYS, HAVE TO MUST, AUTOMATICALLY bring him up in EVERY conversation. While some do, not all of them are guilty. That's the work and thought process of haters who feel this urgent need to make anything and everything Kobe does an non-issue in a pathetic attempt to diminish his greatness and accomplishments. Shaq didn't win a thing before he went to the Lakers and got hooked up with Kobe and Phil. Neither did Kobe, so to only want to give Shaq credit for the Lakers titles, but at the same time act like Kobe had nothing to do with it is pathetically asinine.

[stephanieg]

If this board existed during the '70s Kareem would've been accused of stat padding for most of the decade.

[Burgz]

Laker/Kobe fans aren't the ones who ALWAYS, HAVE TO MUST, AUTOMATICALLY bring him up in EVERY conversation. While some do, not all of them are guilty. That's the work and thought process of haters who feel this urgent need to make anything and everything Kobe does an non-issue in a pathetic attempt to diminish his greatness and accomplishments. Shaq didn't win a thing before he went to the Lakers and got hooked up with Kobe and Phil. Neither did Kobe, so to only want to give Shaq credit for the Lakers titles, but at the same time act like Kobe had nothing to do with it is pathetically asinine.

i was responding to a kobe fan so all your comment does is take my post out of context

obviously they didnt achieve anything without each other i dont NEED to say it because it would be redundant

[Heavincent]

"DA GAWD" not making the top 10 is sacrilegious.

It's PER, and PER is a completely useless stat, so who gives a shit.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

Shaq was a shell of himself in 07, you're an idiot if you count that.

Shaqs Career is from 93-06.

Shaq, being a part of the team that was swept, has indeed been swept in 2007. Maybe not him, and maybe not swept literally with a broom, but it sadly was 0-4 for his team. It's a sport.

Shaq's basketball career spanned admirable 19-years, we use terms like Prime Shaq etc. His NBA carrer was 1993