Greatest Perimeter Scorer In NBA History?

[PTB Fan]

I mean on guys who were known as big time scorers and the majority of their points came from the perimeter.

[cotdt]

kobe bryant of course.

[bwink23]

Ray Allen and Reggie Miller and it's not even close.

[pegasus]

Ray Allen and Reggie Miller and it's not even close.
He said scorer, not shooter. Those two cannot/could not create their own shots.

It's gotta be prime Kobe.

[jstern]

Jordan was the greatest perimeter player of all time.

[ThePointGuard11]

Michael Jordan.

[cotdt]

Jordan was the greatest perimeter player of all time.

Kobe's superior 3-point shooting makes him better than MJ in this regard.

[zay_24]

kobe bryant of course.
this

[jstern]

Kobe's superior 3-point shooting makes him better than MJ in this regard.
When did Kobe get this reputation of some type of amazing 3 point shooter?

Jordan is consider the greatest perimeter player of all time, and greatest mid range player of all time. Jodan's superior mid range game, and Jordan also shot the 3 better on season's that he actually incorporated as part of his game and actually took more than 220 threes. (I don't count the years the 3 point line was shorten for Jordan, and Kobe's rookie season.) That's what people don't know about Jordan, than when he actually took a normal amount of 3s, his percentage was better than Kobe's, which makes sense since he was the superior mid range shooter.

Also don't forget basketball IQ, Jordan's ability to create shots much quicker, Fg%, Points Per Game, etc.

[PHILA]

http://i.imgur.com/vAfGv.jpg

[Cali Syndicate]

He said scorer, not shooter. Those two cannot/could not create their own shots.

It's gotta be prime Kobe.

Might be the case for the Ray Allen of today but during his Bucks and Sonics day, he was more than capable of creating for himself.

Miller had some off the dribble moves as well. It wasn't like all he ever did was run off screens, that's just more of his forte.

[97 bulls]

Why do peeople continue tto act as if bryant 3pt shooting is so far ahead of jordans? Bryants career 3pt fg% is only 1 percentage point better than jordans. And jordan played in the 80s half of his career. A time in which the 3 wasn't really used.

and to answer the question, jordan is the greatest perimeter scorer ever.

[bwink23]

Perimeter scoring = your a perimeter player, who scores the best and the most....that's only Michael Jordan.

[rule1223]

kobe 62 in 3 quarters, jordan career high 69 in overtime, i dunno u tell me

[OKCThunderUP]

MJ23 and it's not even close.

[bwink23]

kobe 62 in 3 quarters, jordan career high 69 in overtime, i dunno u tell me


Jordan 54 points in 3 quarters in a playoff game. Kobe 50 points in Overtime in a playoff game....u tell me.

[rule1223]

Jordan 54 points in 3 quarters in a playoff game. Kobe 50 points in Overtime in a playoff game....u tell me.
62 in 3 quarters is higher than 54 in 3 quarters... what r u trying to prove?

[bwink23]

62 in 3 quarters is higher than 54 in 3 quarters... what r u trying to prove?


54 is greater than 50....:facepalm

[PTB Fan]

Surprised that i didn't see anyone mentioning Jerry West.

[JellyBean]

Alex English
Sam Jones
Chris Mullins
Bob McAdoo
George Gervin
Ray Allen
Reggie Miller
Rick Barry
The Logo
Kobe
Jordan
Bird
Drazen Petrovic

[rule1223]

54 is greater than 50....:facepalm
what exactly are you even saying? why are you comparing jordans best 3 quarter scoring to 50 points that kobes dropped multiple times?

objective facts
kobe career high 81 in regulation, jordan 69 in overtime
kobe most in 3 quarters 62, jordan 54 i assume
most kobes dropped against jordan 55, most jordans dropped against kobe, alot less than that

[PTB Fan]

Alex English
Sam Jones
Chris Mullins
Bob McAdoo
George Gervin
Ray Allen
Reggie Miller
Rick Barry
The Logo
Kobe
Jordan
Bird
Drazen Petrovic

Great list. :applause:

[The Choken One]

Toss up between Kobe and MJ...

No one else is in the conversation.

[PTB Fan]

Toss up between Kobe and MJ...

No one else is in the conversation.

You forgot another one.. Jerry West

[swi7ch]

Jordan is the GOAT so he, by default, is the greatest perimeter scorer of all time.

[bwink23]

what exactly are you even saying? why are you comparing jordans best 3 quarter scoring to 50 points that kobes dropped multiple times?

objective facts
kobe career high 81 in regulation, jordan 69 in overtime
kobe most in 3 quarters 62, jordan 54 i assume
most kobes dropped against jordan 55, most jordans dropped against kobe, alot less than that


objective facts

Jordan(NBA record) 8 50 point games in the playoffs....Kobe 1 ( in OT)
Jordan 35 points in finals half....Kobe not so much

Jordan NBA-record 33.4ppg in playoffs...Kobe not so much
Jordan NBA-record 30.12ppg during season....Kobe, no
Jordan over 3,000 point in a season...Kobe, no
Jordan 9 30ppg seasons....Kobe, not close
Jordan 39 career 50-point games, Kobe not as many


:violin:
Jordan

[SuperPippen]

In the regular season?

It's Jordan, with Kobe being one of the only players in Jordan's vicinity.

However, I think that, a peak, firing on all cylinders, hot Kobe Bryant is perhaps the most unstoppable perimeter scorer of all time. This is because of the fact that, when Kobe is feeling it, he has the capacity, ability, and desire to drain shot after shot from all over the floor. Still, Jordan was more consistent and far more efficient, so I give Jordan the nod.


In the playoffs?

It's between Jordan and Jerry West. Nobody, not even Kobe, can really compare with those two.

[rule1223]

objective facts

Jordan(NBA record) 8 50 point games in the playoffs....Kobe 1 ( in OT)
Jordan 35 points in finals half....Kobe not so much

Jordan NBA-record 33.4ppg in playoffs...Kobe not so much
Jordan NBA-record 30.12ppg during season....Kobe, no
Jordan over 3,000 point in a season...Kobe, no
Jordan 9 30ppg seasons....Kobe, not close
Jordan 39 career 50-point games, Kobe not as many


:violin:
Jordan
greatest perimeter scorer in NBA scorer in history, not greatest in a certain situations so i dont know what playoffs and finals has to do with anything. Fact is kobe at his best dropped 81 points while jordan at his best dropped 69. Kobe without his athleticism in his 16th season, meaning based on pure scoring talent, 29.5ppg, jordan without his athleticism in his 16th season, based on pure scoring talent, on the couch watching kobe after kobe retired his ass by dropping 55 on him

[bwink23]

greatest perimeter scorer in NBA scorer in history, not greatest in a certain situations so i dont know what playoffs and finals has to do with anything. Fact is kobe at his best dropped 81 points while jordan at his best dropped 69. Kobe without his athleticism in his 16th season, meaning based on pure scoring talent, 29.5ppg, jordan without his athleticism in his 16th season, based on pure scoring talent, on the couch watching kobe after kobe retired his ass by dropping 55 on him


Kobe = 33 years old...Jordan was the best in the game without question at 33....won another championship and Finals MVP...Kobe won't even get to the Finals this year....just pray he doesn't get swept again and pull another back-to-back 17 point game performance in must-win situations.

I can hate too. :pimp:

[SuperPippen]

greatest perimeter scorer in NBA scorer in history, not greatest in a certain situations so i dont know what playoffs and finals has to do with anything. Fact is kobe at his best dropped 81 points while jordan at his best dropped 69. Kobe without his athleticism in his 16th season, meaning based on pure scoring talent, 29.5ppg, jordan without his athleticism in his 16th season, based on pure scoring talent, on the couch watching kobe after kobe retired his ass by dropping 55 on him


:lol

Always funny to read these.

[PTB Fan]

George Gervin

He's in the debate.

[knightfall88]

Kobe could drop 50 without setting a foot into the paint

[oolalaa]

George Gervin

[Da_Realist]

62 in 3 quarters is higher than 54 in 3 quarters... what r u trying to prove?

sure, 62 in 3...81...streaks of 40...in the regular season

when it matters
only one 50 point game in the playoffs

in fact, two straight 17 point games while getting swept out of the gym last year with homecourt advantage. and shot 39% in the last game... c'mon man. where was this wizardly offensive genius when guarded by old ass Jason Kidd when his team needed him the most?

[oolalaa]

sure, 62 in 3...81...streaks of 40...in the regular season

when it matters
only one 50 point game in the playoffs

in fact, two straight 17 point games while getting swept out of the gym last year with homecourt advantage. and shot 39% in the last game... c'mon man. where was this wizardly offensive genius when guarded by old ass Jason Kidd when his team needed him the most?

:applause:

I did a Kobe Bryant critique a while back (just for the hell of it :D havn't posted it on here though). Here is part of it....


Kobe has had lots of very good performances in the playoffs but few that are truly memorable which is a little puzzling really. I mean, anyone who can score 81 points in a single game should be able to break defences down anytime he feels like, right? No matter how stingy they are. You would think he'd have 50 point playoff games coming out of his ass.

But, wait a sec. maybe scoring 81 points, by shooting the ball 46 times, against the second worst defence in the league, in a meaningless mid january regular season game, isn't quite as impressive as people think? :confusedshrug:

hmmmmmmm. Anyway, these are his only playoff games i would consider 'great'...


In 01' round 2 vs kings he had a 48/16/3 game 4 with 15 points in the 4th. His breakout playoff performance, it was as good as the numbers suggest. He attacked the rim relentlessly (17/19 FTs), had 9 offensive rebounds and made a couple of ludicrously acrobatic shots. In my opinion, this is kobe's ever greatest post-season game.

In 01' wcf vs spurs he had a 45/10/3 game 3 with 13 points in the 4th. Although he shot the ball 35 times to get his 45 points, he did have 9 layups/dunks on Duncan and drob, aka 'the twin towers'. That was no easy feat.

In 06' round 1 vs suns he had a 50/8/5 game 6 with 21 points in the 4th/OT, Lakers lost. This one isn't as good as the numbers suggest. Firstly, he jacked up 2 long heroball 3s in the final minute of OT with the Lakers down 9 and 8 points respectively and they both went in. He made phoenix sweat a little bit but ultimately the game was all but lost by then anyway. Secondly, the suns in recent years havn't exactly been known for their defence. In 06' they had the 16th ranked defence in the league.

In 07' round 1 vs suns he had a 45/6/6 game 3 with 15 points in the 4th. Nice and efficient from the floor (15/26 FGs, 13/13 FTs) and this time the suns were the 13th ranked defence!

In 08' round 1 vs nuggets he had a 49/4/10 game 2 with 19 points in the 4th. Kobe 'stat padding' Bryant in full swing here. Here was the situation: 4 minutes left in the 4th, the Lakers are up by 15 and Bryant has 40 points. Phil Jackson - "Sit your ass down Kobe, the game is over!". Kobe - "Nah Phil, jordan has like eight 50 point playoff games and i only have one. I got a lot of catching up to do". Okay, I'm not sure if this interaction actually took place but i think we can assume it did :lol . Regardless, through 3 1/2 quarters it was a pretty dominant performance.


As you can see.....it's not a very long list :oldlol:

[comerb]

Kobe's superior 3-point shooting makes him better than MJ in this regard.

No. That would just make him a better 3 point shooter.

[Da_Realist]

:applause:

I did a Kobe Bryant critique a while back (just for the hell of it :D havn't posted it on here though). Here is part of it....


Kobe has had lots of very good performances in the playoffs but few that are truly memorable which is a little puzzling really. I mean, anyone who can score 81 points in a single game should be able to break defences down anytime he feels like right? No matter how stingy they are. You would think he'd have 50 point playoff games coming out of his ass.

But, wait a sec. maybe scoring 81 points by shooting the ball 46 times against the second worst defence in the league in a meaningless mid january regular season game isn't quite as impressive as people think?

hmmmmmmm. Anyway, these are his only playoff games i would consider 'great'...


In 01' round 2 vs kings he had a 48/16/3 game 4 with 15 points in the 4th. His breakout playoff performance, it was as good as the numbers suggest. He attacked the rim relentlessly (17/19 FTs), had 9 offensive rebounds and made a couple of ludicrously acrobatic shots. In my opinion, this is kobe's ever greatest post-season game.

In 01' wcf vs spurs he had a 45/10/3 game 3 with 13 points in the 4th. Although he shot the ball 35 times to get his 45 points, he did have 9 layups/dunks on Duncan and drob, aka 'the twin towers'. That was no easy feat.

In 06' round 1 vs suns he had a 50/8/5 game 6 with 21 points in the 4th/OT, lakers lost. This one isn't as good as the numbers suggest. Firstly, he jacked up 2 long heroball 3s in the final minute of OT with the Lakers down 9 and 8 points respectively and they both went in. He made phoenix sweat a little bit but ultimately the game was all but lost by then anyway. Secondly, the suns in recent years havn't exactly been known for their defence. In 06' they had the 16th ranked defence in the league.

In 07' round 1 vs suns he had a 45/6/6 game 3 with 15 points in the 4th. Nice and efficient from the floor (15/26 FGs, 13/13 FTs) and this time the suns were the 13th ranked defence!

In 08' round 1 vs nuggets he had a 49/4/10 game 2 with 19 points in the 4th. Kobe 'stat padding' Bryant in full swing here. Here was the situation: 4 minutes left in the 4th, the Lakers are up by 15 and Bryant has 40 points. Phil Jackson - "Sit your ass down Kobe, the game is over!". Kobe - "nah Phil, jordan has like eight 50 point playoff games and i only have one. I got a lot of catching up to do". Okay, I'm not sure if this interaction actually took place but i think we can assume it did. Regardless, through 3 1/2 quarters it was a pretty dominant performance.


As you can see, it's not a very long list :oldlol:

And I'm not trying to use 50 point games as a barometer. Kobe's a great scorer, but he's not unstoppable. It's curious how all his supernatural outbursts only happen when they *really* don't matter. Jordan's had short series where he averaged close to 50 points on 50+ fg%. He had a Finals series where he averaged over 40 points on 51%. And if you look at the series, the only game where it looked like he was really trying to score was game 3. The other games, he dropped 40 like others drop 25.

I didn't see Jerry West or George Gervin...but Kobe's not close as a scorer when it counts.

[LBJMVP]

greatest perimeter scorer in NBA scorer in history, not greatest in a certain situations so i dont know what playoffs and finals has to do with anything. Fact is kobe at his best dropped 81 points while jordan at his best dropped 69. Kobe without his athleticism in his 16th season, meaning based on pure scoring talent, 29.5ppg, jordan without his athleticism in his 16th season, based on pure scoring talent, on the couch watching kobe after kobe retired his ass by dropping 55 on him

first off
:facepalm

second off
jordan barely if ever guarded kobe in that game :roll:

[oolalaa]

And I'm not trying to use 50 point games as a barometer. Kobe's a great scorer, but he's not unstoppable. It's curious how all his supernatural outbursts only happen when they *really* don't matter. Jordan's had short series where he averaged close to 50 points on 50+ fg%. He had a Finals series where he averaged over 40 points on 51%. And if you look at the series, the only game where it looked like he was really trying to score was game 3. The other games, he dropped 40 like others drop 25.

I didn't see Jerry West or George Gervin...but Kobe's not close as a scorer when it counts.

It's a god damn insult that people think Kobe is on Jordan's level as a scorer (that shouldn't be taken as an insult to Kobe. Jordan was just that good).

It's the playoffs that really separate the two...

Bryant
50+ point playoff games - 1
40+ point playoff games - 11
playoff double doubles - 23
playoff triple doubles - 0

Jordan
50+ point playoff games - 8
40+ point playoff games - 38
playoff double doubles - 37
playoff triple doubles - 2

Bryant career playoff stats:
25/5/5 on .481 efg%
Jordan career playoff stats:
33/6/6 on .503 efg%

Has kobe ever scored 63 points against one of the greatest teams of all time? or 49 points?
Has kobe ever had back to back 50 point games? or back to back to back to back 40 point games?
Has kobe ever averaged 45.2 ppg in a series? or 45.0 ppg? or 43.7 ppg? or 43.0 ppg? or 41.0 ppg? or 39.8 ppg?
Has kobe ever averaged 11.4 assists in a series?
Has kobe ever scored 55 points in a finals game? or 46 points? or 45 points? or 44 points?
Has kobe ever scored 35 points in a single half of a finals game?


The answer is a big, fat, overwhelming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to all of the above.

[RRR3]

What the hell? The answer is clearly Michael Jordan; anyone who says otherwise is letting their bias creep in. :facepalm @ kobe stans. Jordan>>>>>Kobe at scoring, defense, passing, rebounding, etc.


http://www.unionversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/tumblr_lv00ii2Lxk1qdlh1io1_400.gif

[oolalaa]

Jerry West was unbelievable in the playoffs. He is definitely 2nd only to Jordan as a perimeter scorer.

He averaged 40.6 ppg throughout the '65 playoffs, including a 46 ppg series against Walt Bellamy's Bullets! That's all you need to know. He was absurdly good in finals aswell....

1963 finals - 30 ppg
1965 finals - 34 ppg
1966 finals - 34 ppg
1968 finals - 31 ppg
1969 finals - 38 ppg
1970 finals - 30 ppg

[lpublic_enemyl]

Jordan :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SuperPippen]

Jerry West was unbelievable in the playoffs. He is definitely 2nd only to Jordan as a perimeter scorer.

He averaged 40.6 ppg throughout the '65 playoffs, including a 46 ppg series against Walt Bellamy's Bullets! That's all you need to know. He was absurdly good in finals aswell....

1963 finals - 30 ppg
1965 finals - 34 ppg
1966 finals - 34 ppg
1968 finals - 31 ppg
1969 finals - 38 ppg
1970 finals - 30 ppg

Agreed. :bowdown:


It shocks me how underappreciated Jerry West is around here.
It's like people don't rate him as highly as other legends because he was "only" 6'3" and white.

[EnoughSaid]

MJ = 10 Scoring Titles
Kobe = 2 Scoring Titles

You tell me :confusedshrug:

[rule1223]

MJ = 10 Scoring Titles
Kobe = 2 Scoring Titles

You tell me :confusedshrug:
easy to score when the guys guarding you are half your size and youre a good player playing in the weakest perimeter player era in the history of the nba

[bwink23]

easy to score when the guys guarding you are half your size and youre a good player playing in the weakest perimeter player era in the history of the nba


Jordan scored on everyone....no one is gonna stop him in this era of no-handcheck and open lanes....Jordan would beast in today's game. Size is negated with the increase in weak-ass rules that favor penetrating players like Jordan......:hammerhead:

[SuperPippen]

easy to score when the guys guarding you are half your size and youre a good player playing in the weakest perimeter player era in the history of the nba

:lol

Who do you think you're convincing? You clearly have no credible knowledge of the game. I sincerely hope that you aren't actually dumb enough to believe the bullshit that you spew.

[EnoughSaid]

easy to score when the guys guarding you are half your size and youre a good player playing in the weakest perimeter player era in the history of the nba

Handchecking.

[rule1223]

:lol

Who do you think you're convincing? You clearly have no credible knowledge of the game. I sincerely hope that you aren't actually dumb enough to believe the bullshit that you spew.
compare the sg's in kobes era to the sg's that jordan had to face and if you think the average talent level is anywhere near comparable, you should just quit watching basketball

[SuperPippen]

compare the sg's in kobes era to the sg's that jordan had to face and if you think the average talent level is anywhere near comparable, you should just quit watching basketball

I definitely think the average talent level is "anywhere near comparable," and am not going to be told otherwise by an abysmal clown of a Kobe troll with who talks out of his ass because he's butthurt that everyone knows that Jordan is the consensus GOAT.

I am far more knowledgeable about basketball that you are, buddy boy, although that's not saying much. At all.

[bwink23]

compare the sg's in kobes era to the sg's that jordan had to face and if you think the average talent level is anywhere near comparable, you should just quit watching basketball


Jordan's talent level far exceeds 99% of the players in the league today...and his mentality and competitive drive will send him over the top, along with these sissy rules in place that do nothing but enhance his style of play.....BOOK IT :pimp:

[Leviathon1121]

compare the sg's in kobes era to the sg's that jordan had to face and if you think the average talent level is anywhere near comparable, you should just quit watching basketball

Compare the centers from each era, the center position is and has been abysmal for quite a long time now. You remember that position right, they were the guys who, in the 90's, did not have to worry about the defensive 3 second rule and protected the area around the rim which just happens to be where prime Jordan lived.

[Da_Realist]

compare the sg's in kobes era to the sg's that jordan had to face and if you think the average talent level is anywhere near comparable, you should just quit watching basketball

Kobe put up 17 points on 39% shooting in a must win game before embarrassingly getting swept out of the gym when guarded primarily by a 36 year old Jason Kidd.

A 35 year old MJ abused Kidd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfYsbKVADUc&feature=g-all-u&context=G2dbe127FAAAAAAAACAA) when he was 24 years old. No way does Kidd (at any age) hold MJ to well below his standards while sweeping his team out of the playoffs.

[jstern]

easy to score when the guys guarding you are half your size and youre a good player playing in the weakest perimeter player era in the history of the nba

The average shooting guard in the 90s was 6'5", the average shooting guard in the 2000s is 6'5". Only difference is that in the 90s they got to hand check and rules still hadn't been changed so that guards could play more like Jordan, for ratings.

Edit: I did a thread, and they're actually slightly shorter today, but still in the 6'5" size.

[Boston C's]

He said scorer, not shooter. Those two cannot/could not create their own shots.

It's gotta be prime Kobe.

false... especially ray ray dude was a beast in his prime... scored in a variety of ways

[I.R.Beast]

Why do peeople continue tto act as if bryant 3pt shooting is so far ahead of jordans? Bryants career 3pt fg% is only 1 percentage point better than jordans. And jordan played in the 80s half of his career. A time in which the 3 wasn't really used.

and to answer the question, jordan is the greatest perimeter scorer ever.
he's shot more than double the amount of 3s than jordan took, and would have a better career percentage if he took better 3s than he does.

[Odinn]

Alex English

:applause: :applause:

More than 25000 career points. 30ppg scorer at his best. 25+ ppg for 8 straight season.

Absouletly belong to conversation.

[305Baller]

http://i.imgur.com/vAfGv.jpg

[Teanett]

jeremy lin>>>jordan

[La Frescobaldi]

I mean on guys who were known as big time scorers and the majority of their points came from the perimeter.

Almost everybody on here ignored what you asked.... they all got Jordan but that's decrepit thinking.

He got his points on drives the majority of his career. His career 3pt% is 32.7%, and the only way he ever shot 3s over 40% on a season was when they shortened the 3 line by 2 feet. Several guys have estimated that 50% of MJ's points came from within 16 feet, but I know it was considerably higher than that.... because 23% of his points came from free throws - 7,300 points worth.
He was never the best PERIMETER scorer not even close. Taking nothing away from Airness whatsoever, that's just fact.

best pure perimeter scorers by decade:

'60s The Logo
'70s Iceman George Gervin
'80s Kiki VandeWeghe
'90s Reggie Miller
'00s Ray Allen

You gotta give nods to some of those 6th man guys like Steve Kerr or John Havlicek who could be insane instant offense (although Hondo was dangerous from the second he touched the ball, anywhere)

[dude77]

http://i.imgur.com/vAfGv.jpg

cool picture but why does it look like the sun's shining on them lol

[comerb]

Almost everybody on here ignored what you asked.... they all got Jordan but that's decrepit thinking.

He got his points on drives the majority of his career. His career 3pt% is 32.7%, and the only way he ever shot 3s over 40% on a season was when they shortened the 3 line by 2 feet. Several guys have estimated that 50% of MJ's points came from within 16 feet, but I know it was considerably higher than that.... because 23% of his points came from free throws - 7,300 points worth.
He was never the best PERIMETER scorer not even close. Taking nothing away from Airness whatsoever, that's just fact.


I can only guess that you never watched Jordan actually play.

[AngelEyes]

Almost everybody on here ignored what you asked.... they all got Jordan but that's decrepit thinking.

He got his points on drives the majority of his career. His career 3pt% is 32.7%, and the only way he ever shot 3s over 40% on a season was when they shortened the 3 line by 2 feet. Several guys have estimated that 50% of MJ's points came from within 16 feet, but I know it was considerably higher than that.... because 23% of his points came from free throws - 7,300 points worth.
He was never the best PERIMETER scorer not even close. Taking nothing away from Airness whatsoever, that's just fact.

best pure perimeter scorers by decade:

'60s The Logo
'70s Iceman George Gervin
'80s Kiki VandeWeghe
'90s Reggie Miller
'00s Ray Allen

You gotta give nods to some of those 6th man guys like Steve Kerr or John Havlicek who could be insane instant offense (although Hondo was dangerous from the second he touched the ball, anywhere)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1a-B8y3WIU&feature=related

An example of Jordan's astounding perimeter play.

Three point shooting does not = perimeter play. It's a part of it, no question, but Jordan could dominant an entire game with his mid range game.

[La Frescobaldi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1a-B8y3WIU&feature=related

An example of Jordan's astounding perimeter play.

Three point shooting does not = perimeter play. It's a part of it, no question, but Jordan could dominant an entire game with his mid range game.

Absolutely agree... His Airness was the full package. But answering the OP question by saying Jordan is the greatest perimeter scorer ever is just not factual.

[bizil]

When u say perimeter do u mean guys who play PG, SG, or SF? Or guys who do major damage from midrange to 3 point line? I tend to think guys who are prolific scorers who are PG, SG, or SF AND can do major damage from the perimeter areas. In any event, it's gotta be MJ! Other than the 3 ball (which he can hit as well and get on a streak) MJ was great at all areas of scoring the pill. Midrange game alone, he's arguably the best scorer of all time in that regard.

But after MJ, u got Big O, Gervin, Kobe, Iverson, West, T Mac, Nique, King, Dantley, Bird, etc. The names are many. But when I think greatest, I think longevity putting up numbers, clutch, and straight alpha dog genes. So after MJ, I would put Kobe number 2. Those two in my book are the top 2. Then after that, who knows! But I would think in terms of scoring resume and exploits this would round out my top 10:

Big O
Gervin
Iverson
Nique
King
West
Bird

These guys have a certain killer instinct and penchant for saying "Get the hell out the way Im taking over!". I think every great scorer has that in spades. U have a multitude of other guys. But for me, the guys I named seemed more ruthless in their exploits. I realize BK didn't have the longevity as the others on my list. But he was prolific long enough and dominant long enough to warrant inclusion on my list.

[La Frescobaldi]

When u say perimeter do u mean guys who play PG, SG, or SF? Or guys who do major damage from midrange to 3 point line? I tend to think guys who are prolific scorers who are PG, SG, or SF AND can do major damage from the perimeter areas. In any event, it's gotta be MJ! Other than the 3 ball (which he can hit as well and get on a streak) MJ was great at all areas of scoring the pill. Midrange game alone, he's arguably the best scorer of all time in that regard.

But after MJ, u got Big O, Gervin, Kobe, Iverson, West, T Mac, Nique, King, Dantley, Bird, etc. The names are many. But when I think greatest, I think longevity putting up numbers, clutch, and straight alpha dog genes. So after MJ, I would put Kobe number 2. Those two in my book are the top 2. Then after that, who knows! But I would think in terms of scoring resume and exploits this would round out my top 10:

Big O
Gervin
AI
Iverson
Nique
King
West
Bird

These guys have a certain killer instinct and penchant for saying "Get the hell out the way Im taking over!". I think every great scorer has that in spades. U have a multitude of other guys. But for me, the guys I named seemed more ruthless in their exploits. I realize BK didn't have the longevity as the others on my list. But he was prolific long enough and dominant long enough to warrant inclusion on my list.


OP specifically said "the majority of their points came from the perimeter."
All those guys, like MJ, were great outside forces but only West & Gervin off that list were majority scoring outside - to me that means outside 15 feet

[32Dayz]

1. Jordan
2. Gervin
3. West
4. Wade
5. Kobrick

Kobe is inconsistent, struggles vs certain teams and defenders and generally is inefficient from the field.

He is the most overrated scorer ever although he may be Top #5 on the SG list.

[Hittin_Shots]

But
Big O
Gervin
AI
Iverson
Nique
King
West
Bird
.
:confusedshrug:

[ganja0710]

:confusedshrug:
Andre Iguodala and Iverson. Ain't that complicated dawg.

[Hittin_Shots]

Andre Iguodala and Iverson. Ain't that complicated dawg.

:facepalm

[bizil]

OP specifically said "the majority of their points came from the perimeter."
All those guys, like MJ, were great outside forces but only West & Gervin off that list were majority scoring outside - to me that means outside 15 feet

I think over time certain guys evolve to where they use the perimeter J more. U said outside of 15 feet, so MJ, Kobe, King, and English still have to be included. Even if it is a 15.5 jumper, it's still outside of 15 feet. Those four were killing from that range and even further out. And guys like MJ, Kobe, and King could also slash with the best too. So defense would have to play them for the drive as well. Which made those perimeter J's even more deadly. U had no answer for a MJ, Kobe, and King in that regard.

A guy like MJ is more devastating because he was a primo slasher AND midrange shooter all in one. And with freakish athletic ability on top of it. The array of footwork, fakes, etc. NEEDS to be included in this discussion. It can't just be catch and shoot. Even though MJ and Kobe could catch and shoot too.

To be frank, Gervin was a precursor to some things MJ and Kobe did down the road. I've heard Kobe say he studied the Iceman. The thing is MJ took traits of Iceman, Thompson, and Dr. J and combined them into an epic scoring arsenal. If u know the game, u saw traits of Gervin in a Jordan and Kobe as time went on. Guys like T Mac and Durant used the Gervin style even more often.

[bizil]

:confusedshrug:

It was a simple error. Im faded right now and put the Answer twice. It's not the end of the world! LOL

[Hittin_Shots]

It was a simple error. Im faded right now and put the Answer twice. It's not the end of the world! LOL

Indeed, was that guy serious with thinking AI meant iggy?

[ganja0710]

Indeed, was that guy serious with thinking AI meant iggy?
Yes. What's so wrong about that?

[Hittin_Shots]

Yes. What's so wrong about that?

Everything.

[bizil]

I think two things need to be established:

1. What range does the OP mean?

2. Does the skill, athletic ability, and craftiness come into the equation?

Cause if the three ball and deep range is a major factor, then guys like MJ shouldn't be included. It needs to be the pure shooter type guys who are ALSO great scorers. Like Bird, West, Peja, Rice, Allen, Sam Jones, Dirk, Ellis, etc.

But if the criteria is for guys that are SICK in that 15-18 midrange game then that REALLY opens it up. Often times in that range u have great slashers who are also great scorers. Gervin was a GREAT SLASHER, POST UP, AND MIDRANGE GUY at 6'7. He was ahead of his time and really was a look to the future at SG. Guys like MJ and Kobe are just like this. Ask both of them and I GUARANTEE they will cite the Iceman as an influence in that sense. MJ and Kobe had enough of that in their arsenal to be considered in this race. In other words, if u got Gervin, u gotta have MJ and Kobe in this race. Gervin is more known for his slashing and finger rolls than this jumper. Even though he was great at both and students of the game know this.

[La Frescobaldi]

I think over time certain guys evolve to where they use the perimeter J more. U said outside of 15 feet, so MJ, Kobe, King, and English still have to be included. Even if it is a 15.5 jumper, it's still outside of 15 feet. Those four were killing from that range and even further out. And guys like MJ, Kobe, and King could also slash with the best too. So defense would have to play them for the drive as well. Which made those perimeter J's even more deadly. U had no answer for a MJ, Kobe, and King in that regard.

A guy like MJ is more devastating because he was a primo slasher AND midrange shooter all in one. And with freakish athletic ability on top of it. The array of footwork, fakes, etc. NEEDS to be included in this discussion. It can't just be catch and shoot. Even though MJ and Kobe could catch and shoot too.

To be frank, Gervin was a precursor to some things MJ and Kobe did down the road. I've heard Kobe say he studied the Iceman. The thing is MJ took traits of Iceman, Thompson, and Dr. J and combined them into an epic scoring arsenal. If u know the game, u saw traits of Gervin in a Jordan and Kobe as time went on. Guys like T Mac and Durant used the Gervin style even more often.
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Absolutely. Iceman was the full offensive package (although his D was always shaky)

And yeah it was his slashing that kept his defenders back on their heels.... for the easy midrange splash.

Wade also has a similar slash style to Gervin, same mastery of the finger roll

totally agree

[pauk]

Larry Bird
Michael Jordan

See how easy that was

[PTB Fan]

Almost everybody on here ignored what you asked.... they all got Jordan but that's decrepit thinking.

He got his points on drives the majority of his career. His career 3pt% is 32.7%, and the only way he ever shot 3s over 40% on a season was when they shortened the 3 line by 2 feet. Several guys have estimated that 50% of MJ's points came from within 16 feet, but I know it was considerably higher than that.... because 23% of his points came from free throws - 7,300 points worth.
He was never the best PERIMETER scorer not even close. Taking nothing away from Airness whatsoever, that's just fact.

best pure perimeter scorers by decade:

'60s The Logo
'70s Iceman George Gervin
'80s Kiki VandeWeghe
'90s Reggie Miller
'00s Ray Allen

You gotta give nods to some of those 6th man guys like Steve Kerr or John Havlicek who could be insane instant offense (although Hondo was dangerous from the second he touched the ball, anywhere)

One of the few who really understood the Q.

Jordan's a good choice, but there are few better choices IMO.

[upside24]

http://i.imgur.com/vAfGv.jpg
This guy right here.

[PTB Fan]

I think two things need to be established:

1. What range does the OP mean?

2. Does the skill, athletic ability, and craftiness come into the equation?

Cause if the three ball and deep range is a major factor, then guys like MJ shouldn't be included. It needs to be the pure shooter type guys who are ALSO great scorers. Like Bird, West, Peja, Rice, Allen, Sam Jones, Dirk, Ellis, etc.

But if the criteria is for guys that are SICK in that 15-18 midrange game then that REALLY opens it up. Often times in that range u have great slashers who are also great scorers. Gervin was a GREAT SLASHER, POST UP, AND MIDRANGE GUY at 6'7. He was ahead of his time and really was a look to the future at SG. Guys like MJ and Kobe are just like this. Ask both of them and I GUARANTEE they will cite the Iceman as an influence in that sense. MJ and Kobe had enough of that in their arsenal to be considered in this race. In other words, if u got Gervin, u gotta have MJ and Kobe in this race. Gervin is more known for his slashing and finger rolls than this jumper. Even though he was great at both and students of the game know this.

Guys who scored most of their points from the perimeter, meaning from mid range and further. Alex English, Iceman, West, Bird, Dirk etc fit that explanation well.