Let's get this straight about Lin he is American as apple pie.

[TheFrozenOne]

Last Night Mike Breen said "Lin was giving inspiration to many foreign born players overseas":confusedshrug:

#1. He was born and raised in Palo Alto Ca.

He is American....

http://media.nrtwebservices.com/California/Properties/JPG_Main/036/889036_2.jpg

Palo Alto is a very interesting city in the Bay Area, it has a very upscale area with many Billion dollar company's and it also has one of the most Violent area's in the country "East Palo Alto" that is seperated by a rail road track.....(literally)

Lin grew up with both sides of the spectrum and was able to grow up and play against some of the best basketball players in the country while living in the Bay Area.




#2. Why so many people are praising him for having parents born overseas is beyond me???...Just because his parents are from Taiwan and are "Asian" doesn't mean (IMO) anything.....Why would you take pride in something you absolutely nothing to do with????....

example:
"I have never been to _____(fill in random country).........YAY!!! ________(fill in random country)......everyone should celebrate ________(fill in random country).....even though I was just born the way I am and never been there......


basically nationalism for someone who has nothing to with the country or wasn't even born and raised in that country is kinda weird....but then again celebrating being born somewhere and having nothing to with it is all together dumb.


#3 Once again...Lin is American as it gets......born in America.....lived in one of the most Diverse American cities....exposed to everything American, went to an American school, play's a very popular American sport:confusedshrug:



he is a great American......period.

[LA_Showtime]

We know that.

[bmulls]

Asians love him, who cares?

Although being born in America will be very important when he inevitably runs for president.

[swi7ch]

He's American-Asian with Chinese or Taiwanese descent.

[1rkrage]

negged

one starred

reported

[Euroleague]

Mike Breen is a genuine retard. He has regularly called every single European player in the NBA, the "Euroleague MVP". When actually, not a single one of them was the Euroleague MVP. He is just a complete tool.

[TheFrozenOne]

He's American-Asian with Chinese or Taiwanese descent.


why the "Asian Tiawanese or Chinese decent "...Chinese are actual descendants from the Mong but many Taiwanese are actually native Indians to the island!!! and not "Chinese" at all!!!!

there is no need to label him with "China" or "Taiwan"...he is an American....and from California.

He is American as Fried Chicken and Walmart.....

[TheFrozenOne]

negged

one starred

reported


Cao Ni Ma Ge Bi

[TheAesirsFinest]

why the "Asian Tiawanese or Chinese decent "...Chinese are actual descendants from the Mong but many Taiwanese are actually native Indians to the island!!! and not "Chinese" at all!!!!

there is no need to label him with "China" or "Taiwan"...he is an American....and from California.

He is American as Fried Chicken and Walmart.....

That's not true. The number of Chinese people dwarfs the number of Taiwanese Aborigines.

I do agree that people should realize that he's a full American though. We Asian-Americans haven't been in America long enough for people to recognize that we're not all 1st generation immigrants.

[Rekindled]

why the "Asian Tiawanese or Chinese decent "...Chinese are actual descendants from the Mong but many Taiwanese are actually native Indians to the island!!! and not "Chinese" at all!!!!

there is no need to label him with "China" or "Taiwan"...he is an American....and from California.

He is American as Fried Chicken and Walmart.....

lol wut, less than 1% of taiwan population are like island natives.

[Stat & Melo]

Mike Breen is a genuine retard. He has regularly called every single European player in the NBA, the "Euroleague MVP". When actually, not a single one of them was the Euroleague MVP. He is just a complete tool.

Lol @ this moron calling someone a tool. That's rich :roll:

[Bigsmoke]

i remember Mike saying he's from Asia. :wtf:

do you homework *****

[TheFrozenOne]

lol wut, less than 1% of taiwan population are like island natives.


ok I said many.....what is 1% of 40 million.

[TheFrozenOne]

That's not true. The number of Chinese people dwarfs the number of Taiwanese Aborigines.

I do agree that people should realize that he's a full American though. We Asian-Americans haven't been in America long enough for people to recognize that we're not all 1st generation immigrants.


yes of course....


all I was pointing out was...If you look back far enough we all came from somewhere else.

[Teanett]

he is american but remember that michael chang was hugely popular in asia even though he played on the u.s. davis cup team.

[Dwyane Rose]

:facepalm

[roffie]

yp

[tomtucker]

Well, ESPN crews allways fukking suck....so what you expect ? ....TNT ftw

[TheFrozenOne]

he is american but remember that michael chang was hugely popular in asia even though he played on the u.s. davis cup team.


kobe is more popular in Asia then lin....




your point:confusedshrug:

[IGOTGAME]

when was the last time there was a good Asian guard in the NBA? Oh, wait there has never been. So yes, this would be an inspiration to foreign born Chinese players because they are from the same race.

[b0bab0i]

yes of course....


all I was pointing out was...If you look back far enough we all came from somewhere else.
LOL WTFS YEAH we all came from Africa Millions of years ago. :facepalm
You are retarded dude.

[Reverend Hoops]

#3 Once again...Lin is American as it gets......born in America.....lived in one of the most Diverse American cities....exposed to everything American, went to an American school, play's a very popular American sport:confusedshrug:



he is a great American......period.

Why aren't African-Americans just American then?

[Reverend Hoops]

when was the last time there was a good Asian guard in the NBA? Oh, wait there has never been. So yes, this would be an inspiration to foreign born Chinese players because they are from the same race.

We are all from the same race. The human race. :oldlol:

I understand your point though.

[iamgine]

#3 Once again...Lin is American as it gets......born in America.....lived in one of the most Diverse American cities....exposed to everything American, went to an American school, play's a very popular American sport:confusedshrug:

Parents are great influence. More than city or school.

Also, Lin is Asian American.

[Basketball Fan]

:facepalm

Yeah that pretty much is the only response warranted for this thread.

Yes he's born and raised American but he's also Asian.

He's Asian American.

All Asians can relate to that....

[InfiniteBaskets]

Why aren't African-Americans just American then?

They are. LeBron was born in Ohio, he is an American. Same with a slew of other NBA players that were born here and played for the US Olympic teams.

Just because you are African-American doesn't mean you aren't American, it's just a descriptive label. You could be more descriptive and call Mike Miller a European American, but it's just not as common because whites are not minorities in this country.

[TheFrozenOne]

when was the last time there was a good Asian guard in the NBA? Oh, wait there has never been. So yes, this would be an inspiration to foreign born Chinese players because they are from the same race.


ok....literally the only thing Jeremy Lin has in common with a foreign born Chinese player is marginal physical similarities....that's it.


he has nearly nothing else in common with a foreign born Chinese player player other then 1. Basketball and 2. some minor Physical similarities.

Jeremy Lin has more in common with average middle class American "white or Black" kid then any foreign born player.


I gurantee you Lin found more "basketball" inspiration from people that looked nothing like him.

[TheFrozenOne]

Why aren't African-Americans just American then?


we are.




why the Labeling:confusedshrug: I never understood it.....

Born in America.....raised in America.....just American.

[DirtySanchez]

I feel what the op is saying...I'm from the bay and my parents are from another country as well. But when I travel I'm American....and that's about it,

[Reverend Hoops]

They are. LeBron was born in Ohio, he is an American. Same with a slew of other NBA players that were born here and played for the US Olympic teams.

Just because you are African-American doesn't mean you aren't American, it's just a descriptive label. You could be more descriptive and call Mike Miller a European American, but it's just not as common because whites are not minorities in this country.

I know he is, but why isn't he called American?

[Basketball Fan]

we are.




why the Labeling:confusedshrug: I never understood it.....

Born in America.....raised in America.....just American.


Only white people don't get this...

[TheFrozenOne]

Parents are great influence. More than city or school.

Also, Lin is Asian American.



His Parents are from Asia...he is American.


these Labels to justify nationalism is silly....

Jeremy Lin is no more "asian" then any other average American kid....

I know white Kids who's parents travel to China every year...they speak Mandarin....they are more Asian then Jeremy Lin.

[iamgine]

His Parents are from Asia...he is American.


these Labels to justify nationalism is silly....

Jeremy Lin is no more "asian" then any other average American kid....

I know white Kids who's parents travel to China every year...they speak Mandarin....they are more Asian then Jeremy Lin.
Yes that makes him asian american.

Also Parents are great influence. More than city or school.

[TheFrozenOne]

Yes that makes him asian american.

Also Parents are great influence. More than city or school.

No that makes him American.....

he was Born in America....raised in America...

he is American....."Labeling" after a country that he personally has nothing to do with is silly.




Parents are a huge influence... they LEFT TAIWAN AND CAME TO AMERICA....WHERE THEY BORN AND RAISED THEIR SON!

[iamgine]

No that makes him American.....

he was Born in America....raised in America...

he is American....."Labeling" after a country that he personally has nothing to do with is silly.




Parents are a huge influence... they LEFT TAIWAN AND CAME TO AMERICA....WHERE THEY BORN AND RAISED THEIR SON!
No that makes him asian american.

So he's great influenced by his asian parents.

[b0bab0i]

His Parents are from Asia...he is American.


these Labels to justify nationalism is silly....

Jeremy Lin is no more "asian" then any other average American kid....

I know white Kids who's parents travel to China every year...they speak Mandarin....they are more Asian then Jeremy Lin.
Jeremy Lin speaks Mandarin too. :facepalm. Pretty sure he celebrates events like Lunar new years and Lunar Moon Festival, other Americans don't know what the hell these things are.

His nationality is American, but his ethnicity is Chinese.

[Kiarip]

why the "Asian Tiawanese or Chinese decent "...Chinese are actual descendants from the Mong but many Taiwanese are actually native Indians to the island!!! and not "Chinese" at all!!!!

there is no need to label him with "China" or "Taiwan"...he is an American....and from California.

He is American as Fried Chicken and Walmart.....

Well no one would be talking about his descendance, if it didn't play a role in the fact that he wasn't picked up by a top 10 basketball school, and consecutively wasn't drafted somewhere in the middle of the first round.

so it's part of his underdog story.

[Kblaze8855]

Why would you take pride in something you absolutely nothing to do with????....

I always wondered that when people with rich parents bragged about their upbringing.

That said...

Of course hes more asian than the average american kid. The average american kid isnt asian at all...while he is in fact an asian person raised by asians. He is also an american.

Cant really act like either one doesnt exist. Hes more Asian than black Americans are African at this point im sure of that.

Doesnt make him asian like...Yao Ming. But it sure makes him more asian than a little white kid.

[TheFrozenOne]

No that makes him asian american.

So he's great influenced by his asian parents.

once again....his parents do have a huge influence...

so by LEAVING asia and coming here to AMERICA that influenced Jeremy.


it influenced him because he was Born here in America....he is American.....he excels at a popular American sport.

if he was "Asian American" then he would have came from Asia...he didn't...he came from California.

[Rekindled]

Jeremy Lin speaks Mandarin too. :facepalm. Pretty sure he celebrates events like Lunar new years and Lunar Moon Festival, other Americans don't know what the hell these things are.

His nationality is American, but his ethnicity is Chinese.

chinese is not an ethnicity. it's like saying american is an ethnicity.

[Kiarip]

once again....his parents do have a huge influence...

so by LEAVING asia and coming here to AMERICA that influenced Jeremy.


it influenced him because he was Born here in America....he is American.....he excels at a popular American sport.

if he was "Asian American" then he would have came from Asia...he didn't...he came from California.

why do we call black people who have been here for many generations, african americans?

the first part is their race second is their nationality.

[Sakkreth]

If that was true OP, you wouldn't need such pathetic threads.

[TheFrozenOne]

Jeremy Lin speaks Mandarin too. :facepalm. Pretty sure he celebrates events like Lunar new years and Lunar Moon Festival, other Americans don't know what the hell these things are.

His nationality is American, but his ethnicity is Chinese.

I speak Mandarin.....so does my Parrot.....I celebrate many Chinese Holiday's....I actually Lived in Taiwan for many years....

I'am Black/Choctaw Indian (that label)....am I "Chinese" too?

[pegasus]

He doesn't talk like a native speaker, though. I would think that he came to the states when he was in high school or something. He must have been around Asian people most of his life, but he is still an American by definition.

[TheFrozenOne]

why do we call black people who have been here for many generations, african americans?

the first part is their race second is their nationality.


who's "we?"....


only the mis guided use "African American"....when the Country goes against another country all I see people saying are "Americans"

[iamgine]

once again....his parents do have a huge influence...

so by LEAVING asia and coming here to AMERICA that influenced Jeremy.


it influenced him because he was Born here in America....he is American.....he excels at a popular American sport.

if he was "Asian American" then he would have came from Asia...he didn't...he came from California.
it's a popular world sport.

and since his parent greatly influence him, they also influence him in all the asian culture.

thus he is asian american.

[bagelred]

http://media.nrtwebservices.com/California/Properties/JPG_Main/036/889036_2.jpg



Is that Jeremy Lin's parents house?

[Kblaze8855]

who's "we?"....

Probably 290 million people.

[bluechox2]

hes gonna be president

[TheFrozenOne]

I always wondered that when people with rich parents bragged about their upbringing.

That said...

Of course hes more asian than the average american kid. The average american kid isnt asian at all...while he is in fact an asian person raised by asians. He is also an american.

Cant really act like either one doesnt exist. Hes more Asian than black Americans are African at this point im sure of that.

Doesnt make him asian like...Yao Ming. But it sure makes him more asian than a little white kid.


Not really accurate at all.....many non "Asian" kids in the Bay Area/ Cali are exposed to many different races....I know many "Asian" Kids who hate "Asian" Foods and don't speak any foreign Language.....sometimes the parents could care less about thier other country.


his parents are from Taiwan.....maybe they taught him about Taiwanese culture..maybe they didn't.....but that doesn't make him more "Asian".

in fact growing up in EPA or PA he has probably went to more Black History Classes then anything.

[TheFrozenOne]

it's a popular world sport.

and since his parent greatly influence him, they also influence him in all the asian culture.

thus he is asian american.


so wouldn't you agree then ...by Leaving "Asia" and coming to "America"..what does that say ?.....


so every kid that learns about Asian Culture is Asian.....

[Bob Cousy]

no self respecting minority would refer to themselves as just "American".

you put your homeland before your nations capitol.

the people of Taiwan would not appreciate Lin just referring to himself as an American.

He is asian american, end of story.

[TheFrozenOne]

no self respecting minority would refer to themselves as just "American".

you put your homeland before your nations capitol.

the people of Taiwan would not appreciate Lin just referring to himself as an American.

He is asian american, end of story.


So now it's your homeland.....:roll:

His Parents willingly LEFT...and he was born in America....his homeland is America.


Self Respect exactly...Jeremy Lin himself has nothing to do with Asia.

He wasn't born there...he didn't grow up there....why would he take pride in something he has nothing to do with.



once again his Parents LEFT willingly...and never looked back or desired to go back.

[Kiarip]

who's "we?"....


only the mis guided use "African American"....when the Country goes against another country all I see people saying are "Americans"
because that's when nationality matters... DUH


ethnically/racially he's asian.

[Bob Cousy]

So now it's your homeland.....:roll:

His Parents willingly LEFT...and he was born in America....his homeland is America.


Self Respect exactly...Jeremy Lin himself has nothing to do with Asia.

He wasn't born there...he didn't grow up there....why would he take pride in something he has nothing to do with.



once again his Parents LEFT willingly...and never looked back or desired to go back.I can't believe you're saying this crap.

are you the type of person who feels ashamed of their heritage ?

[ace23]

no self respecting minority would refer to themselves as just "American".

you put your homeland before your nations capitol.

the people of Taiwan would not appreciate Lin just referring to himself as an American.

He is asian american, end of story.

Homeland? :facepalm

He's Asian American, technically, due to his ancestry. But anybody in America can put a word in front of his nationality to specify his origin, so he's just as American as anybody else.

[Phantom84]

no self respecting minority would refer to themselves as just "American".

you put your homeland before your nations capitol.

the people of Taiwan would not appreciate Lin just referring to himself as an American.

He is asian american, end of story.

I am a first generation asian American and came to America when i was a tot. I identify myself as an American first and foremost because I have no recollection of my homeland. I should be called Asian American because I was originally from Asia, but Lin is Mongoloid American.

[InfiniteBaskets]

I know he is, but why isn't he called American?


He IS called American. Lol I don't know what you're trying to get at here. His nationality is American, when he plays for the Olympic squad, all of the team members (black/white/etc..) are referred to as "The Americans".

No one calls him African-American. When was the last time you heard ESPN say something like "And the only players to record 30 points with 5 assists and 0 Turnovers are Larry Bird the American, and LeBron James the African-American"???

[iamgine]

so wouldn't you agree then ...by Leaving "Asia" and coming to "America"..what does that say ?.....


so every kid that learns about Asian Culture is Asian.....
that says asian american

[InfiniteBaskets]

So now it's your homeland.....:roll:

His Parents willingly LEFT...and he was born in America....his homeland is America.


Self Respect exactly...Jeremy Lin himself has nothing to do with Asia.

He wasn't born there...he didn't grow up there....why would he take pride in something he has nothing to do with.



once again his Parents LEFT willingly...and never looked back or desired to go back.

Maybe his parents left with a bitter taste in their mouth. But a TON of immigrants here in the US have kids that are American citizens by birth and then instill a lot of their old country's culture in the household.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lin could name all 12 Chinese zodiac signs and the 3 most popular Chinese Holidays as well as the days the occur on. Language is also intertwined with nationality, which Jeremy has admitted to being able to understand and speak loosely (Mandarin).

Like KBlaze said, he's not as Chinese as Yao or Yi, but there are parts of what define him as a person which can be associated with Asian or Chinese/Taiwanese culture.

[TheFrozenOne]

because that's when nationality matters... DUH


ethnically/racially he's asian.


Ethnicity??...He speaks English with a Northern California Accent....He is a basketball star...he is Christian....he sports a FauxHawk....seems to me he is average ________ (fill in random Ethnic group from California del Norte)


racially every Human is nearly Identical...except for minor physical differences....


just as many other great American basketball players....Lin is Great because he loves the sport....and that should inspire everyone else who loves the sport....

[TheFrozenOne]

that says asian american


no they left Asia.....when you willingly leave.....that says "Do not want"


he was born in America...that says 100% American.

[Kblaze8855]

Not really accurate at all.....many non "Asian" kids in the Bay Area/ Cali are exposed to many different races....I know many "Asian" Kids who hate "Asian" Foods and don't speak any foreign Language.....sometimes the parents could care less about thier other country.

Not being accurate to you doesnt mean it isnt accurate. It means you have a fringe opinion that disregards what virtually the entire earth thinks and likely what he and his family think.


his parents are from Taiwan.....maybe they taught him about Taiwanese culture..maybe they didn't.....but that doesn't make him more "Asian".

Yes. Being 100% composed of asian DNA makes him more Asian than someone who is not. Feel free to disagree with reality.


in fact growing up in EPA or PA he has probably went to more Black History Classes then anything.

You could teach him nothing but european history. He is what he is. you are what you are regardless of what patch of soil you are born on. Location does not create you. It can mold you to think and act more like those around you. But you are what your parents put in. He is as asian as Steve Nash is white. Doesnt matter he was born in Africa or how long he stayed there.

No need to pretend you dont understand or that someone made an error when they refer to his race. If people think(in error) that he was born and raised in Asia when they call him asian he is wrong. If they are saying he is an asian person....they are right. I suspect he listed Asian when he applied to Harvard....

Where he was born and raised and what he is racially are just not the same thing. Since everyone else no doubt understands that I see no reason to keep arguing about it.

Think what you will.

[b0bab0i]

Ethnicity??...He speaks English with a Northern California Accent....He is a basketball star...he is Christian....he sports a FauxHawk....seems to me he is average ________ (fill in random Ethnic group from California del Norte)


racially every Human is nearly Identical...except for minor physical differences....


just as many other great American basketball players....Lin is Great because he loves the sport....and that should inspire everyone else who loves the sport....
Ethnic group Han Chinese, Go Learn about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese

[Teanett]

Cant really act like either one doesnt exist. Hes more Asian than black Americans are African at this point im sure of that.

:facepalm

[b0bab0i]

Not being accurate to you doesnt mean it isnt accurate. It means you have a fringe opinion that disregards what virtually the entire earth thinks and likely what he and his family think.



Yes. Being 100% composed of asian DNA makes him more Asian than someone who is not. Feel free to disagree with reality.



You could teach him nothing but european history. He is what he is. you are what you are regardless of what patch of soil you are born on. Location does not create you. It can mold you to think and act more like those around you. But you are what your parents put in. He is as asian as Steve Nash is white. Doesnt matter he was born in Africa or how long he stayed there.

No need to pretend you dont understand or that someone made an error when they refer to his race. If people think(in error) that he was born and raised in Asia when they call him asian he is wrong. If they are saying he is an asian person....they are right. I suspect he listed Asian when he applied to Harvard....

Where he was born and raised and what he is racially are just not the same thing. Since everyone else no doubt understands that I see no reason to keep arguing about it.

Think what you will.
Kblaze with the knowledge strkes again.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[b0bab0i]

He IS called American. Lol I don't know what you're trying to get at here. His nationality is American, when he plays for the Olympic squad, all of the team members (black/white/etc..) are referred to as "The Americans".

No one calls him African-American. When was the last time you heard ESPN say something like "And the only players to record 30 points with 5 assists and 0 Turnovers are Larry Bird the American, and LeBron James the African-American"???
The difference is he can also choose to play for Chinese National team or Taiwan National team instead of United States National Team since it might be too hard to make it on the US team.

Same like how Chris Kaman is a German-American(Grandparents were from Germany) and plays for the German National Team alongside Dirk.

Both Players can trace their Lineage(no pun intended) back to the respective countries.

[TheFrozenOne]

Kblaze8855]Not being accurate to you doesnt mean it isnt accurate. It means you have a fringe opinion that disregards what virtually the entire earth thinks and likely what he and his family think.


once again...100% inaccurate

The scientific community suggest that the idea of race is often used [5] in a naive[6] or simplistic way. Among humans, race has no taxonomic significance; all living humans belong to the same hominid subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[7][8] Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies [9] that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete,[10] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.[6][11]

When people define and put about a particular conception of race, they create a social reality through which social categorization is achieved.[12] In this sense, races are said to be social constructs



Yes. Being 100% composed of asian DNA makes him more Asian than someone who is not. Feel free to disagree with reality.


ok I will disagree with "reality"....:lol

Science wins over social hysteria when it comes to genetics.



You could teach him nothing but european history. He is what he is. you are what you are regardless of what patch of soil you are born on. Location does not create you. It can mold you to think and act more like those around you. But you are what your parents put in. He is as asian as Steve Nash is white. Doesnt matter he was born in Africa or how long he stayed there.

No need to pretend you dont understand or that someone made an error when they refer to his race. If people think(in error) that he was born and raised in Asia when they call him asian he is wrong. If they are saying he is an asian person....they are right. I suspect he listed Asian when he applied to Harvard....

Where he was born and raised and what he is racially are just not the same thing. Since everyone else no doubt understands that I see no reason to keep arguing about it.

Think what you will.


WTF?...you missed the part when his Parents LEFT Taiwan and Came to America willingly.

and your saying if your parents raise you _____ (fill in random race) that's what you are.



thanks for proving my point.....he was raised in America.
..as an American.



you try way to hard.




next

[GOBB]

I see more asians holding up Lin signs than anyone else. He appeals to asians. So why wouldnt he appeal to asians overseas? I dont care if he grew up in the city of Compton. He cant change the fact of what he is.

If he mugged you and police asked for a description? "Asian male" is what is said/written. Its not "Well he looks asian but he really isnt asian because he grew up in America which means he is American. So an American mugged me."

[TheFrozenOne]

The difference is he can also choose to play for Chinese National team or Taiwan National team instead of United States National Team since it might be too hard to make it on the US team.

Same like how Chris Kaman is a German-American(Grandparents were from Germany) and plays for the German National Team alongside Dirk.

Both Players can trace their Lineage(no pun intended) back to the respective countries.


so basically if you are not good enough for Team USA...anyone can trace back your family history and play for that country??



BSCAL the White Mamba playing for Ireland:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[b0bab0i]

so basically if you are not good enough for Team USA...anyone can trace back your family history and play for that country??



BSCAL the White Mamba playing for Ireland:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
It only goes as far as your Grandparents as per the rules in FIBA.

If i were the white mamba i would do it, but their national team hasn't been in the olympics since 1948.

[Phantom84]

I see more asians holding up Lin signs than anyone else. He appeals to asians. So why wouldnt he appeal to asians overseas? I dont care if he grew up in the city of Compton. He cant change the fact of what he is.

If he mugged you and police asked for a description? "Asian male" is what is said/written. Its not "Well he looks asian but he really isnt asian because he grew up in America which means he is American. So an American mugged me."

And they would be wrong and ignorant. Just like Black American filling out a form and checking off African. They are not from Africa and share no common bond to actual Africans. So the whole descriptor that we use to categorize someone like African American, Asian American, Native American are really dumb. Do you call a white guy by his ancestral ethnicity ie Irish American, Italian American, German American? Again, Asian is not a race but a term use to describe someone from that geographical location. If anything Lin should be called American and ethnically Chinese/Taiwanese.

[TheFrozenOne]

I see more asians holding up Lin signs than anyone else. He appeals to asians. So why wouldnt he appeal to asians overseas? I dont care if he grew up in the city of Compton. He cant change the fact of what he is.

If he mugged you and police asked for a description? "Asian male" is what is said/written. Its not "Well he looks asian but he really isnt asian because he grew up in America which means he is American. So an American mugged me."


what your example is trying to show is minor physical attributes.....

trying to picture one's physical attributes.




I guess this is basically what it has come down to?




"Hey look ...he is tall....." "YAY TALL PEOPLE"""

"Hey look he has blue eyes"..."YAY Blue eyes"

"Hey look....he looks Asian....Yay Asia"

[b0bab0i]

And they would be wrong and ignorant. Just like Black American filling out a form and checking off African. They are not from Africa and share no common bond to actual Africans. So the whole descriptor that we use to categorize someone like African American, Asian American, Native American are really dumb. Do you call a white guy by his ancestral ethnicity ie Irish American, Italian American, German American? Again, Asian is not a race but a term use to describe someone from that geographical location. If anything Lin should be called American and ethnically Chinese/Taiwanese.
That is EXACTLY WHAT ASIAN-AMERICAN IMPLIES :facepalm

You want to be more specific and call him Chinese-American?

[dunksby]

I love coming to ISH to talk about race.

[GOBB]

And they would be wrong and ignorant. Just like Black American filling out a form and checking off African. They are not from Africa and share no common bond to actual Africans. So the whole descriptor that we use to categorize someone like African American, Asian American, Native American are really dumb. Do you call a white guy by his ancestral ethnicity ie Irish American, Italian American, German American? Again, Asian is not a race but a term use to describe someone from that geographical location. If anything Lin should be called American and ethnically Chinese/Taiwanese.

No black person checks off "African". Shut up. :rolleyes:

[Reverend Hoops]

He IS called American. Lol I don't know what you're trying to get at here. His nationality is American, when he plays for the Olympic squad, all of the team members (black/white/etc..) are referred to as "The Americans".

No one calls him African-American. When was the last time you heard ESPN say something like "And the only players to record 30 points with 5 assists and 0 Turnovers are Larry Bird the American, and LeBron James the African-American"???

What?

[Phantom84]

That is EXACTLY WHAT ASIAN-AMERICAN IMPLIES :facepalm

You want to be more specific and call him Chinese-American?

I know that is what it implies but the wording is incorrect. People tend to make Asian synonymous with race and that is incorrect.

[TheFrozenOne]

Ethnic group Han Chinese, Go Learn about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese


So the Han are Faux Hawk sporting Christians who love to play Basketball???

Ethinicity - A group sharing an interest in a homeland connected with a specific geographical area, a common language and traditions, including food preferences, and a common religious faith

Jeremy Lin has very little to nothing in common with the HAN Chinese.

[Kblaze8855]

I see more asians holding up Lin signs than anyone else. He appeals to asians. So why wouldnt he appeal to asians overseas? I dont care if he grew up in the city of Compton. He cant change the fact of what he is.

If he mugged you and police asked for a description? "Asian male" is what is said/written. Its not "Well he looks asian but he really isnt asian because he grew up in America which means he is American. So an American mugged me."


That would make for an amusing police interview. How long could you describe him before you just have to say "Yea....he was Asian"? Be trying to give height and weight. Skin tone. Hair color. Police assume hispanic. What then? Get all stereotypical and describe his eyes and hope they catch on without making you say it?

[iamgine]

no they left Asia.....when you willingly leave.....that says "Do not want"


he was born in America...that says 100% American.
yes, 100% asian american

[InfiniteBaskets]

What?

You asked why LeBron isn't called American but rather African American, I gave you an example of him being called American.

[Phantom84]

No black person checks off "African". Shut up. :rolleyes:

Right back at you.

http://www.lee.edu/hr/forms/ApplicantStatisticalData_Form.pdf

[b0bab0i]

So the Han are Faux Hawk sporting Christians who love to play Basketball???

Ethinicity - A group sharing an interest in a homeland connected with a specific geographical area, a common language and traditions, including food preferences, and a common religious faith

Jeremy Lin has very little to nothing in common with the HAN Chinese.
There are Christians in China, there are even Chinese Muslims.

Common Language, traditions, food preferences. All of those Apply to Jeremy Lin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4w6ndDP5FQ
Skip to 2:00

[TheFrozenOne]

yes, 100% asian american


Then I too am 150% Asian American.....In Fact I have lived in Asia and follow and have knowlege of far more Asian culture's then Lin...

China/Japan and Southeast Asia I have lived....I am Super Asian.

[Reverend Hoops]

You asked why LeBron isn't called American but rather African American, I gave you an example of him being called American.

LeBron (or any black player for that matter) is referred to as African-American way more than he is referred to as American. It is not even debatable. And the Olympics? C'mon. They called Jesse Owens American (probably the first time he heard it) during the Olympics. He's playing for America. Why would they call him African?

[Bob Cousy]

he is Asian-american you can kick and scream all you want.

It won't change a thing.

heritage then nation.

[TheFrozenOne]

There are Christians in China, there are even Chinese Muslims.

Common Language, traditions, food preferences. All of those Apply to Jeremy Lin.


Hans speak Nor CAL English too?....Food?..I don't know what Lin eats...

all I know he has more in common with Aoron Rogers then he does with Jackie Chan.

[heavensdevil]

who cares if he was born in the USA or china or whatever... Breens point is that he is inspiring foreign born players because he is an asian who is currently balling... what the hell does that have to do with where he was born? :confusedshrug:

[iamgine]

Then I too am 150% Asian American.....In Fact I have lived in Asia and follow and have knowlege of far more Asian culture's then Lin...

China/Japan and Southeast Asia I have lived....I am Super Asian.
not if your parents not asian

[GOBB]

That would make for an amusing police interview. How long could you describe him before you just have to say "Yea....he was Asian"? Be trying to give height and weight. Skin tone. Hair color. Police assume hispanic. What then? Get all stereotypical and describe his eyes and hope they catch on without making you say it?

:roll:

[Phantom84]

he is Asian-american you can kick and scream all you want.

It won't change a thing.

heritage then nation.

Humanity come first. Then, it is up to you to identify yourself. It is not up to me nor is it up to you.

[TheFrozenOne]

he is Asian-american you can kick and scream all you want.

It won't change a thing.

heritage then nation.


His Parents left willingly...they made a decision to leave "Asia" and come to America.

Lin was born and raised in America....lives in America...works in America....speaks Caliglish.... ...

he is American with parents who were born in another country...just as many many Americans before him.

himself has nothing to do with Asia.....just as Magic Larry or MJ had nothing to with Europe or Africa.

[TheFrozenOne]

Humanity come first. Then, it is up to you to identify yourself. It is not up to me nor is it up to you.


this...


(repped)

(signature d)

(fapped)


(:applause: )

(Lining)

(head nodded)

(sticks out tongue)

[LBJMVP]

Then I too am 150% Asian American.....In Fact I have lived in Asia and follow and have knowlege of far more Asian culture's then Lin...

China/Japan and Southeast Asia I have lived....I am Super Asian.
what the hell dont you understand about ethnicity?
he is a first generation asian american. that is a fact
and you cannot argue it. he is first generation origins in asia
which makes him an asian american. why does this piss you off so bad?

you are not an asia american because you do not have an origins in asian.
living in asian for a little bit does not equal having parents that were born there.
him have the same skin complexion as an asian makes him more asian than a white kid from iowa. he knows the culture, speaks the language, has parents that were both born in asia. that makes him 100% asian american you dumbass.

so shut the hell up and quit arguein it.

[ace23]

And they would be wrong and ignorant. Just like Black American filling out a form and checking off African. They are not from Africa and share no common bond to actual Africans. So the whole descriptor that we use to categorize someone like African American, Asian American, Native American are really dumb. Do you call a white guy by his ancestral ethnicity ie Irish American, Italian American, German American? Again, Asian is not a race but a term use to describe someone from that geographical location. If anything Lin should be called American and ethnically Chinese/Taiwanese.
That's what is causing confusion: Asian is used as both a race and ethnicity.

[LBJMVP]

That's what is causing confusion: Asian is used as both a race and ethnicity.

actually when you fill out those forms they want you to check off african or asian if you have origins of any kind to those ethnicities.

so yes you should be checking off african if you are black.

[brantonli]

In terms of DNA, he's 100% Asian.

In terms of culture, he's probably 95% American, 5% Taiwanese/Chinese.

Take it what you will.

[ZenMaster]

His Parents left willingly...they made a decision to leave "Asia" and come to America.

Lin was born and raised in America....lives in America...works in America....speaks Caliglish.... ...

he is American with parents who were born in another country...just as many many Americans before him.

himself has nothing to do with Asia.....just as Magic Larry or MJ had nothing to with Europe or Africa.

Dude you're crazy.

[InfiniteBaskets]

LeBron (or any black player for that matter) is referred to as African-American way more than he is referred to as American. It is not even debatable. And the Olympics? C'mon. They called Jesse Owens American (probably the first time he heard it) during the Olympics. He's playing for America. Why would they call him African?

I'm trying to make the point that you're talking about two different things. When LeBron is called "American" it is his nationality that is being referred to. When LeBron is called (which rarely happens, and I invite you find me a clip or video evidence of when he is openly called this) "African-American" it is his ethnicity plus his nationality.

You're original post asked why do people call him African-American instead of American. My point is that they can call him both because those two labels are different.

[get these NETS]

why the "Asian Tiawanese or Chinese decent "...Chinese are actual descendants from the Mong but many Taiwanese are actually native Indians to the island!!! and not "Chinese" at all!!!!

there is no need to label him with "China" or "Taiwan"...he is an American....and from California.

He is American as Fried Chicken and Walmart.....

what do you call all those Americans wearing green during that big parade in NYC in March?

[DMV2]

I don't know about other Asians but I'm American first more than anything. And the people who get to know you will see you as that, a fellow American...with a cool culture and background. But anybody can have a unique and interesting background, doesn't even have to be race related.

Strangers and dickheads are the ones who see you as your race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation is and not what you are as person.

Honesty, Lin's race/ethnicity conversation seems to be a huge issue on just the Internet. ESPN or NBA isn't really making a big deal out of it. They seem to value his journey from Harvard to being undrafted to being the 12th-15th man then to an overnight star more than his race.

[swi7ch]

Asians can't even decide whether he's Chinese or Taiwanese :roll: Both are claiming him as one of their own...

[Jon_Koncak]

who cares if he was born in the USA or china or whatever... Breens point is that he is inspiring foreign born players because he is an asian who is currently balling... what the hell does that have to do with where he was born? :confusedshrug:

Does Lebron James inspire kids in Nigeria?Does Kirk Hinrich inspire kids in Netherlands?Op is absolutely right,Lin is american.

[iamgine]

Does Lebron James inspire kids in Nigeria?Does Kirk Hinrich inspire kids in Netherlands?Op is absolutely right,Lin is american.
No but Lin inspire kids in asia

[GOBB]

Does Lebron James inspire kids in Nigeria?Does Kirk Hinrich inspire kids in Netherlands?Op is absolutely right,Lin is american.

http://colorlines.com/archival_images/jeremy-lin-tv-still-sign-fan.jpg

http://colorlines.com/assets_c/2012/02/j-lin-fans-2012-1-thumb-640xauto-5251.jpg

http://colorlines.com/archival_images/j-lin-fans-2012-486.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/02/11/sports/LINSANITY/LINSANITY-articleLarge.jpg


Coincidence these are his biggest fans? What do we consider the people in these photos. Oh just Americans. :roll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/sports/basketball/at-soho-bar-jeremy-lins-fans-share-his-heritage.html?_r=1

Go read. And tell me why none of the people being spoken of including Lin arent just...Americans? Things that make you go hmmmmmm

[StateOfMind12]

Asians can't even decide whether he's Chinese or Taiwanese :roll: Both are claiming him as one of their own...
He is technically Chinese. His grandma was from China but his parents are from Taiwan. Taiwan was a split between the Japanese and Chinese mainly Japanese before WWII but it became majority Chinese after WWII. I think by the 80s or something Taiwan became its own ethnicity.

Wouldn't Lin be eligible to play for Team USA? That would make him American if that is the case but he will be defined as Asian-American from the majority as he should.


Here is what Lin said in an interview about what he is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXOOsZ9q9Rc

[brantonli]

It's very interesting, because I'm Chinese (from HK) and a lot of my friends are now talking about Jeremy Lin and how damn good he's doing. Don't hear them talking about grevis Vasquez or Jarrett Jack, or Kyle Lowry like that.

[Bob Cousy]

Does Lebron James inspire kids in Nigeria?Does Kirk Hinrich inspire kids in Netherlands?Op is absolutely right,Lin is american.
^^^ and WTF is this ?

how ignorant can you get ?

[04mzwach]

delete

[LBJMVP]

Does Lebron James inspire kids in Nigeria?Does Kirk Hinrich inspire kids in Netherlands?Op is absolutely right,Lin is american.

most nigerian's probably dont have t.v. but lebron does inspire kids all around the world so im sure he does inspire nigerians that have heard of him...

[Cali Syndicate]

Jeremy is an American. The fact that he was born and raised in the US makes it so.

However, he is a first generation Taiwanese. This means he was very likely raised with many Taiwanese customs and traditions as his parents are in all likelihood not fully acculturated in the US.

When Jeremy has a family, his children will more likely than not be more American than he is because with each generation, customs and traditions typically fade away. Some families however try very hard to preserve their heritage.

Culturally, he is clearly an American. Ethnically, he still shares the heritage of that from where his parents. And from a racial standpoint, he is Taiwanese.

[stephanieg]

There are very few relevant NBA players of East Asian descent. This isn't hard guys.

Maybe India can be next.

[Cali Syndicate]

Does Lebron James inspire kids in Nigeria?Does Kirk Hinrich inspire kids in Netherlands?Op is absolutely right,Lin is american.

Does Lebron inspire black kids?

Does Kirk inspire white kids?

Does Jeremy inspire Asian kids?

Can Lebron inspire kids of any race?

Can Kirk inspire kids of any race?

Can Jeremy inspire kids of any race?



Yes to all above, so what your point?

[LBJMVP]

does the help...........


In vernacular usage, "Asian" is often used to refer to those of East Asian descent or anyone else of Asian descent with epicanthic eyefolds.[12][13] This differs from the U.S. Census definition[8][14] and the Asian American Studies departments of many universities consider those of East, South or Southeast Asian descent with or without epicanthic eyefolds to be "Asian".[15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22] In the US Census, people who originate from the original peoples of the East Asia, South Asia, and Southeast Asia are classified as part of the Asian race; while peoples from Siberia, Central Asia, and Western Asia are classified as "White

[f0und]

Allow me to shed some light on the topic.

Im basically in the same boat as lin. My parents immigrated from vietnam and ive grown up here my whole life. Im as adapted to american culture as anybody else, but ive also grown up experiencing much of the vietnamese culture. There is simply much more there that normal american kids never learned and experienced. Food, holidays, tradition, values, etc. Having grown up in a dual culture kinda put a different spin on my life and made me a bit unique among my american friends but not that unique since i know american culture as well as they do.

So you can say im truly american and then some. But i am definitely more asian than your average american.

[DMV2]

That would make for an amusing police interview. How long could you describe him before you just have to say "Yea....he was Asian"? Be trying to give height and weight. Skin tone. Hair color. Police assume hispanic. What then? Get all stereotypical and describe his eyes and hope they catch on without making you say it?
If my hair was curly, I'd look like a Hispanic. :lol

Also (not referring to Kblazer, just generally speaking), why do people assume every Asian have slanted and slit eyes?

[DMV2]

Allow me to shed some light on the topic.

Im basically in the same boat as lin. My parents immigrated from vietnam and ive grown up here my whole life. Im as adapted to american culture as anybody else, but ive also grown up experiencing much of the vietnamese culture. There is simply much more there that normal american kids never learned and experienced. Food, holidays, tradition, values, etc. Having grown up in a dual culture kinda put a different spin on my life and made me a bit unique among my american friends but not that unique since i know american culture as well as they do.

So you can say im truly american and then some. But i am definitely more asian than your average american.

I'm the opposite (more culturally American than Southeast Asian)....because I knew up in a broken home. :cry:

[Faberg]

It's more than just his ethnicity. :facepalm

[LJJ]

OP is.....correct?!


Apple pie doesn't originate from the USA either. :applause:

[jamal99]

Asian until proven otherwise...

[TheFrozenOne]

If my hair was curly, I'd look like a Hispanic. :lol

Also (not referring to Kblazer, just generally speaking), why do people assume every Asian have slanted and slit eyes?


http://www.elarsenal.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/canelo-alvarez.jpg

and most people believe in stereo types because they never leave home....and see the real world.



FYI the guy in the picture is actually from Mexico and both his parents are from Mexico and he is 100% Mexican.

[TheFrozenOne]

Asian until proven otherwise...


according to ISH..all you have to do is eat Asian food and learn about Taiwan to become Asian...


average person is Asian then.

[andgar923]

Last Night Mike Breen said "Lin was giving inspiration to many foreign born players overseas":confusedshrug:

#1. He was born and raised in Palo Alto Ca.

He is American....

http://media.nrtwebservices.com/California/Properties/JPG_Main/036/889036_2.jpg

Palo Alto is a very interesting city in the Bay Area, it has a very upscale area with many Billion dollar company's and it also has one of the most Violent area's in the country "East Palo Alto" that is seperated by a rail road track.....(literally)

Lin grew up with both sides of the spectrum and was able to grow up and play against some of the best basketball players in the country while living in the Bay Area.




#2. Why so many people are praising him for having parents born overseas is beyond me???...Just because his parents are from Taiwan and are "Asian" doesn't mean (IMO) anything.....Why would you take pride in something you absolutely nothing to do with????....

example:
"I have never been to _____(fill in random country).........YAY!!! ________(fill in random country)......everyone should celebrate ________(fill in random country).....even though I was just born the way I am and never been there......


basically nationalism for someone who has nothing to with the country or wasn't even born and raised in that country is kinda weird....but then again celebrating being born somewhere and having nothing to with it is all together dumb.


#3 Once again...Lin is American as it gets......born in America.....lived in one of the most Diverse American cities....exposed to everything American, went to an American school, play's a very popular American sport:confusedshrug:



he is a great American......period.

I agree that he shouldn't be labeled as foreign, but why can't he take pride in his background?

I was born and raised here in L.A. but if I ever make it in the music world I'm gonna big up my Mexican heritage, I don't see anything wrong with that. Just how there's nothing wrong with Italin Americans being proud of their heritage even tho they've never been to Italy and probably don't understand a lick of Italian.

[REACTION]

谁他妈的在乎呢？

[brantonli]

^^ Dude, that was way too easy to see tell, you used google translate.

[REACTION]

^^ Dude, that was way too easy to see tell, you used google translate.

我说，我不使用它呢？

[LJJ]

林书豪他的宫保牛肉是非常可口，制成科比牛肉

[KevinNYC]

He is technically Chinese. His grandma was from China but his parents are from Taiwan. Taiwan was a split between the Japanese and Chinese mainly Japanese before WWII but it became majority Chinese after WWII. I think by the 80s or something Taiwan became its own ethnicity.

Wouldn't Lin be eligible to play for Team USA? That would make him American if that is the case but he will be defined as Asian-American from the majority as he should.


Here is what Lin said in an interview about what he is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXOOsZ9q9Rc

Lin is eligible to play for Team USA, but he could also play for Taiwan or China if he chose to because the rules are you are eligible if you can trace a grandparent to the country, I believe. So Lin could trace his to either Taiwan or China

I don't think Taiwanese is a recent ethnicity. As something like 98% of the island is Chinese of the Han tribe. As an ethnicity it might refer to the original inhabitants

Do you know what that interview is from? It seems very recent.

[TheFrozenOne]

I agree that he shouldn't be labeled as foreign, but why can't he take pride in his background?

I was born and raised here in L.A. but if I ever make it in the music world I'm gonna big up my Mexican heritage, I don't see anything wrong with that. Just how there's nothing wrong with Italin Americans being proud of their heritage even tho they've never been to Italy and probably don't understand a lick of Italian.


this is the problem....


Example: If I was Born and raised in Japan....worked in Japan....Lived in Japan....made my livelyhood in Japan....spoke Japenese...

why in the world would I be deadset on trying to identify with America or any country my relatives used to live in?...

I would celebrate them...not so much the country they LEFT! on their own!

Celebrate the country I live in and what I did....not some random country my parents wanted to leave.

[comerb]

according to ISH..all you have to do is eat Asian food and learn about Taiwan to become Asian...


average person is Asian then.

I'm pretty sure all you have to do is look asian

[Poodle]

its sort of racist the way Lin gets generalized and nicknamed up with. idc, but its funny to me thinking if that were applied in the context of some other colors of people in the U.S.

and if it hasn't been mentioned yet, Lin cant even speak fluent chinese.

[talkingconch]

Last Night Mike Breen said "Lin was giving inspiration to many foreign born players overseas":confusedshrug:

dude, he's saying that because Lin is of minority in the NBA. There's only 2 other asian players that've played as far as I can remember. So he indeed is giving inspiration to them

[comerb]

this is the problem....


Example: If I was Born and raised in Japan....worked in Japan....Lived in Japan....made my livelyhood in Japan....spoke Japenese...

why in the world would I be deadset on trying to identify with America or any country my relatives used to live in?...



You'd be identified by the average Japanese citizen as an American or European. And then if you did extremely well in some sort of Japanese sport that the majority of American's/Europeans sucked at, you'd be an inspiration to American's/Europeans that followed that sport.

That's really all that it comes down to. Genetically, Lin is of asian descent, and historically asians do not excel at basketball.

[TheFrozenOne]

You'd be identified by the average Japanese citizen as an American or European. And then if you did extremely well in some sort of Japanese sport that the majority of American's/Europeans sucked at, you'd be an inspiration to American's/Europeans that followed that sport.

That's really all that it comes down to. Genetically, Lin is of asian descent, and historically asians do not excel at basketball.


only to the mis guided..



example: "Hey everyone I am born and raised in Japan....I am Japanese..

My parents are from America.....I grew up in Japan playing Judo.....I won a Gold Medal...

just because you are from America like my parents means you can win a Judo Gold medal too.....Yay America!!!"


see how stupid that is.

[TheFrozenOne]

not if your parents not asian


.....over 400 years ago someone from my mothers side came over the bering straight..

that makes me Asian...plus I speak Mandarin.

[GOBB]

How can anyone deny Lin not being asian?


Su Nam, a graphic designer, sat in the booth of a SoHo bar Friday night and surveyed the raucous crowd huddled in front of the broadcast of the Knicks game.

“All the Asian-American guys want to be Jeremy Lin,” she said. “And all the Asian-American girls want to marry him.”

More than 50 people, almost all of them Christians and the children of Asian immigrants, gathered to cheer for Jeremy Lin, the most unlikely story in sports, and a star they could relate to like no other.

They clapped when the television showed him walking to the locker room in a gray V-neck sweater. They screamed when he was introduced over the loudspeaker as the Knicks’ starting point guard. They shook the room when he made his first basket in a 38-point effort as the Knicks beat the Lakers, 92-85.

Many of them were not even basketball fans. Jay Kim, 29, had not watched the Knicks since they were in the N.B.A. finals more than a decade ago. Greg Wong, one of the night’s organizers, admitted to falling asleep when he watches sports.

“I don’t even follow football,” one woman said. “Wait, this isn’t football.”

But those in the crowd treated this regular-season game as if it were the Super Bowl, handing out “Linsanity” posters, hollering at the screen in their freshly purchased No. 17 jerseys and asking the harried waitress for one more beer.

If Lin’s storybook week captured the imagination of New York City and the wider sports world, it hit the community of Christian Asian-Americans like a lightning bolt.

“He is so much what I am,” said Stanley Lee, 28, who had been a Knicks fan for all of two days. He ticked off the similarities: Chinese-American, Christian and athletic. (Lee said he had completed several triathlons.) And they both were underdogs, too. “I know what it’s like to be picked last,” Lee said.

Everyone in the room had his own reasons to identify with Lin. Some had been following him his whole career, from his collegiate success at Harvard to his struggles in Golden State, Houston and New York. Others had not heard of him until last week.

But the standing-room crowd cheered his every basket — 18 points at the half — and competed to trace a connection to him.

One man knew someone from Bible study who knew Lin’s sister-in-law. Another had a friend in San Francisco who (perhaps) knew him at Harvard. Leonard Lin, 29, got obvious bragging rights, while one group tried to figure out if he attended its church. The winner: one woman said she had met him.

If basketball fans have delighted in Jeremy Lin’s fast-forward crossover and uncanny court vision, the crowd at Gatsby’s bar admired him for other reasons.

“He’s bold about his faith,” sad Kim, 29, a videographer who regularly attends church. “He’s not apologetic about it. That’s something that’s impressive to me.”

Daniel Chao, a Los Angeles native, wore a Kobe Bryant jersey, but he bought a Lin jersey for his wife, Kendra. He said that Lin’s record of success, despite his humble beginnings and his many setbacks, had inspired him at his own job at a health insurance firm. “In Asian culture, you’re supposed to do hard work and you’ll get noticed,” he said. “All the hard work I’ve put into where I am — maybe I could be that executive.”

For a room crowded with bankers, teachers and tech entrepreneurs, Jeremy Lin’s rise had already become something of a fable, a basketball version of “The Little Engine That Could.”

“He just keeps going,” Chao said. “He’s defying all the coaches who said no, all the teams that have dropped him.”

Many people in the room said they felt protective of Lin, nervous that he would stumble in the bright lights. They breathed easier as he knifed through the Lakers’ defense, but they knew his astonishing run could not last forever.

When the final buzzer sounded, the room erupted in cheers and the D.J. turned up the music full blast. “He outscored Kobe!” Leonard Lin said. Kendra Chao, who had no interest in the Knicks before last week, pointed to the No. 17 on her jersey with a broad smile. She said she was excited and proud, but the rest of her sentence was swallowed by the noise of the bar.

But what would it mean for Lin, and his new fans who so identify with him, if his star begins to fade? Audrey Kim, a Korean-American who works in New York University’s admissions office, shrugged off the concern.

“He’s already a success and made so many people proud,” she said. “He’s such an inspiration to young Asian-Americans.”

She thought that he opened up a new field for Asian-Americans, and that Lin’s parents, who supported his basketball dreams, should be models for immigrants raising American children.

There was a pause in the conversation. Daniel Chao spoke up. “I mean,” he said, in a slightly stunned voice, “an Asian-American dunked.”

People will accept him not being an immigrant fresh off the boat. But they wont look at him and not see "asian".

[TheFrozenOne]

How can anyone deny Lin not being asian?



People will accept him not being an immigrant fresh off the boat. But they wont look at him and not see "asian".


Hilarious....



even Korean Videographer's are seeing themselves in LIN...


:facepalm at Lin having anything in common with a Korean Videographer...


people are really dumb..

[TheFrozenOne]

How can anyone deny Lin not being asian?



People will accept him not being an immigrant fresh off the boat. But they wont look at him and not see "asian".


so stereotype's??....seeing him as Asian??....what are they gonna think exactly?


he's just there to add up all the stats??


that's stupid.

[get these NETS]

what do you call all those Americans wearing green during that big parade in NYC in March?


2X

[magic14]

Last Night Mike Breen said "Lin was giving inspiration to many foreign born players overseas":confusedshrug:

#1. He was born and raised in Palo Alto Ca.

He is American....

http://media.nrtwebservices.com/California/Properties/JPG_Main/036/889036_2.jpg

Palo Alto is a very interesting city in the Bay Area, it has a very upscale area with many Billion dollar company's and it also has one of the most Violent area's in the country "East Palo Alto" that is seperated by a rail road track.....(literally)

Lin grew up with both sides of the spectrum and was able to grow up and play against some of the best basketball players in the country while living in the Bay Area.









he is a great American......period.
How can you be such a dumbass? People like him because he's asian, being born in America doesn't take that away.


#2. Why so many people are praising him for having parents born overseas is beyond me???...Just because his parents are from Taiwan and are "Asian" doesn't mean (IMO) anything.....Why would you take pride in something you absolutely nothing to do with????....

example:
"I have never been to _____(fill in random country).........YAY!!! ________(fill in random country)......everyone should celebrate ________(fill in random country).....even though I was just born the way I am and never been there......


basically nationalism for someone who has nothing to with the country or wasn't even born and raised in that country is kinda weird....but then again celebrating being born somewhere and having nothing to with it is all together dumb.
So someone from Asia who moves to America isn't allowed to celebrate Thanksgiving, New Years, or Independence day?

[Bob Cousy]

How can you be such a dumbass? People like him because he's asian, being born in America doesn't take that away.


So someone from Asia who moves to America isn't allowed to celebrate Thanksgiving, New Years, or Independence day?
Exactly lol.

I don't know what the TOU is on this site when criticizing another poster, but if I may, I'll just say that the guy makes posts that are similar to a post an idiot would make.:D

[GOBB]

Exactly lol.

I don't know what the TOU is on this site when criticizing another poster, but if I may, I'll just say that the guy makes posts that are similar to a post an idiot would make.:D

TOU? Its early so trying to figure that out isnt at the top of my list. Sorry. :oldlol:

[Pharcyde]

.....over 400 years ago someone from my mothers side came over the bering straight..

that makes me Asian...plus I speak Mandarin.

For ****s sake, he has Asian descent. His parents are Asian.... that makes him an ASIAN American. Why is this a big deal to you?

[ace23]

I don't think the OP is denying the fact that he is Asian-American; he's just saying that he is no more Asian than white folks are European, black folks are African, etc. All Americans came from somewhere.

[brantonli]

How can anyone deny Lin not being asian?



People will accept him not being an immigrant fresh off the boat. But they wont look at him and not see "asian".

Really depends who you are though. If you are Caucasian, you see Lin and think 'Asian'. If you are Asian (and know of Lin) then you are going to say 'Asian-American'. Just a matter of perspective.

[upside24]

What I don't get is why is being Asian and good at basketball seen as heroic? This is the same sport where black athletes are seen as thugs and egotistical assholes right? I understand the social and cultural aspect of it but am I supposed to believe that Asians are so inferior athletically that Lin is some kind of anomaly and that his 11 ppg should impress me? Law of averages says that there should be at least one NBA level sub-7 foot Asian since there are billions of them.

[GOBB]

I cant think of an asian guard that stuck in the NBA. The sport is dominated by who again? Lets face it when a different "face" enters a sport dominated by a certain "face" or "faces" it'll be noticed and applauded. Just a fact of life. Look at Tiger Woods with golf and his impact.

Its cool to see something new in a sport.


I don't think the OP is denying the fact that he is Asian-American; he's just saying that he is no more Asian than white folks are European, black folks are African, etc. All Americans came from somewhere.

But at the end of the day he'll be called asian. And his impact will affect asians. Asians who are 10 times more asian than he is. Just reality.


Really depends who you are though. If you are Caucasian, you see Lin and think 'Asian'. If you are Asian (and know of Lin) then you are going to say 'Asian-American'. Just a matter of perspective.

True that.

[TheFrozenOne]

I don't think the OP is denying the fact that he is Asian-American; he's just saying that he is no more Asian than white folks are European, black folks are African, etc. All Americans came from somewhere.


thank you!.....not sure how this is getting lost.

once again....for those that have never been to a "Asian country"...aside from minor physical and cultural differences....it's the same sh!t over there as in America.

and LIN isn't even from ASIA!


Brantolini wrote:Really depends who you are though. If you are Caucasian, you see Lin and think 'Asian'. If you are Asian (and know of Lin) then you are going to say 'Asian-American'. Just a matter of perspective.

100% disagree....I grew up 10 minutes from where JLIN is from in C.A.... and I lived in Taiwan for many years...but I am not Technically "Asian"

when I see LIN , I don't see "Asian"...I'm not sure what that even means???...Just because he looks like someone from a Large LOT of a Huge Continent means nothing...as to who he is.

I see someone who Iam proud of because he is from my hood...that's it.


Chris Novak Look likes someone from Russia....do I look at him and think "Slavik American"???...no he is American

Kobe looks like some one from America..or Africa or South America...what does that mean?

Dirk looks like someone from Europe or Germany or America ...but what does that mean?


Same with LIN...maybe it's because I grew up in the same area and lived in many Asian Country's....I don't see the "Asian"....I just see someone who is from my hood who loves hoop and shocked the world.....

Like someone earlier said...Lin is no more ________ (fill in random nationality)then everyone else in America who parents or granparents or GGrandparents or GGGrandparenst came from somewhere else.

LIN is just a regular dude from the YAY that can straight Ball.....Black / White/ yellow or whatever...that's all he is....that's all see..


the whole "Asian" thing is silly......and I'm not sure what that even means or supposed to mean when I see a "Asian"....









Technically I am "African American, Choctaw Indian,Scottish and Irish"..I am a Mut.....but I'm probably more "Asian" then LIN and any other "asian american" that has never left America..lol

[DJ Leon Smith]

How can anyone deny Lin not being asian?

You're on insidehoops. The #1 message board for retards. Remember that.

[TheFrozenOne]

You're on insidehoops. The #1 message board for retards. Remember that.


VRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!


right over your head!

[iamgine]

Technically I am "African American, Choctaw Indian,Scottish and Irish"..I am a Mut.....but I'm probably more "Asian" then LIN and any other "asian american" that has never left America..lol
You can't be asian unless your parents are asian.

[TheFrozenOne]

How can you be such a dumbass? People like him because he's asian, being born in America doesn't take that away.


So someone from Asia who moves to America isn't allowed to celebrate Thanksgiving, New Years, or Independence day?


why you like someone just because there parents were born in a small Island off the coast of China??


Asia is a huge Continent....so someone from southeast Asia should like LIN because his parents lived 8,000 miles away??

that's the dumbest reason to like a player I ever heard...


and


If you move from Asia to America you can celebrate whatever you want....I would think since you willingly left and came to America you would celebrate the Country you live in and respect all other country's as well...

and since LIN was born in America he has the right to celebrate anything he wants...as Americans this is our right.

[TheFrozenOne]

You can't be asian unless your parents are asian.


what about Gret , Great , Great , Great Grandparents:confusedshrug:

[Bob Cousy]

What I don't get is why is being Asian and good at basketball seen as heroic? This is the same sport where black athletes are seen as thugs and egotistical assholes right? I understand the social and cultural aspect of it but am I supposed to believe that Asians are so inferior athletically that Lin is some kind of anomaly and that his 11 ppg should impress me? Law of averages says that there should be at least one NBA level sub-7 foot Asian since there are billions of them.seeing an asian kid playing at a top 10 level in the east is fun to watch ... thats just what it boils down to.

people are just enjoying it while it lasts, lighten up.:confusedshrug:

[mr beast]

Last Night Mike Breen said "Lin was giving inspiration to many foreign born players overseas":confusedshrug:

#1. He was born and raised in Palo Alto Ca.

He is American....

http://media.nrtwebservices.com/California/Properties/JPG_Main/036/889036_2.jpg

Palo Alto is a very interesting city in the Bay Area, it has a very upscale area with many Billion dollar company's and it also has one of the most Violent area's in the country "East Palo Alto" that is seperated by a rail road track.....(literally)

Lin grew up with both sides of the spectrum and was able to grow up and play against some of the best basketball players in the country while living in the Bay Area.




#2. Why so many people are praising him for having parents born overseas is beyond me???...Just because his parents are from Taiwan and are "Asian" doesn't mean (IMO) anything.....Why would you take pride in something you absolutely nothing to do with????....

example:
"I have never been to _____(fill in random country).........YAY!!! ________(fill in random country)......everyone should celebrate ________(fill in random country).....even though I was just born the way I am and never been there......


basically nationalism for someone who has nothing to with the country or wasn't even born and raised in that country is kinda weird....but then again celebrating being born somewhere and having nothing to with it is all together dumb.


#3 Once again...Lin is American as it gets......born in America.....lived in one of the most Diverse American cities....exposed to everything American, went to an American school, play's a very popular American sport:confusedshrug:



he is a great American......period.


lol so let's say a white/black person was born in China , doesnt speak a word of english.

suddenly he becomes a rising star in the world of martial art

you as an american wouldnt want to support him because someone , somewhere of your race/ethnicity is doing well and you are happy for him/her?

[TheFrozenOne]

seeing an asian kid playing at a top 10 level in the east is fun to watch ... thats just what it boils down to.

people are just enjoying it while it lasts, lighten up.:confusedshrug:

can't wait for all these stupid labels we put on each other to go away...



you missed the whole point of what the other poster was saying...

[iamgine]

what about Gret , Great , Great , Great Grandparents:confusedshrug:
nope

[Bob Cousy]

can't wait for all these stupid labels we put on each other to go away...



you missed the whole point of what the other poster was saying...
BUT sorry ...

Its really that simple.

this is the real world. Typical a player like Lin would be considered the LCD in the NBA, something that is uncommon in sports will always be considered intriguing.

[TheFrozenOne]

lol so let's say a white/black person was born in China , doesnt speak a word of english.

suddenly he becomes a rising star in the world of martial art

you as an american wouldnt want to support him because someone , somewhere of your race/ethnicity is doing well and you are happy for him/her?


Example:..

http://www.sanctionedviolencegear.com/images/jose-aldo-big.jpg

Jose Aldo....who is Brazillian.....but looks like alot of people in my Family...he does not speak much English because he is Brazillian and speaks Portuguese.


when he faught Faber in SAC Town I hated him and wanted Faber to win....because Faber is from my home state and used to Mob in my hood.


just because Aldo looks like me doesn't mean anything.



physical appearance is just a very small part...it means nothing as to who you are.....the people in your enviroment and who you surround yourself with makes you you.

[iamgine]

Lin said he's chinese.

[Teanett]

You can't be asian unless your parents are asian.
you can't be american unless you're parents are american?:confusedshrug:
so lin can't be american, cause his parents aren't american because their parents were not american?
so nobody except for native americans can be american because at some point everybody has ancestors that were immigrants who were not american. :hammerhead:

[iamgine]

you can't be american unless you're parents are american?:confusedshrug:
so lin can't be american, cause his parents aren't american because their parents were not american?
so nobody except for native americans can be american because at some point everybody has ancestors that were immigrants who were not american. :hammerhead:
i said asian, not american.

Lin is asian american.

[Teanett]

i said asian, not american.

Lin is asian american.

by your logic, he cant be american.

[iamgine]

by your logic, he cant be american.
he is asian american

[chauzer]

cool story bro, tell it again

[Teanett]

he is asian american
how can he be american if his parents are not?
or can you be american but not asian if your parents aren't? or are you contradicting yourself?

[iamgine]

how can he be american if his parents are not?

why not? there're lots of asian american.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

One thing is race, other is nationality. During the day, i'd say he's American, but at the end of the day, are you kidding me, would never say that :lol

[Teanett]

why not?

cause you said so.

[Kblaze8855]

so nobody except for native americans can be american because at some point everybody has ancestors that were immigrants who were not american.

Native Americans were Asian immigrants.

Anyway....I cant believe people are still pretending to not know the difference between race and nationality.

Its not even an argument. Its people acting like they have no knowledge of the opposing concept. You all know gotdamn well you cant be an asian if you arent an Asian. But you can be anything and be an American because being American isnt genetic....or...anything.

Superman is a ****ing American and hes not even from Earth.....you can become an American at 80. Your race just is what it is. It is not optional. Your opinion means nothing. You cant modify it. Your upbringing has nothing to do with it.

You are...what you are. Lin...is an Asian. Where he is born does not change what he is. And it is taking every drop of my respect for freedom of speech to not delete this bullshit.

[iamgine]

Native Americans were Asian immigrants.

Anyway....I cant believe people are still pretending to not know the difference between race and nationality.

Its not even an argument. Its people acting like they have no knowledge of the opposing concept. You all know gotdamn well you cant be an asian if you arent an Asian. But you can be anything and be an American because being American isnt genetic....or...anything.

Superman is a ****ing American and hes not even from Earth.....you can become an American at 80. Your race just is what it is. It is not optional. Your opinion means nothing. You cant modify it. Your upbringing has nothing to do with it.

You are...what you are. Lin...is an Asian. Where he is born does not change what he is. And it is taking every drop of my respect for freedom of speech to not delete this bullshit.
i dunno kblaze. some people just dont understand this and wont accept fact that Lin is asian american.

[Teanett]

Native Americans were Asian immigrants.

Anyway....I cant believe people are still pretending to not know the difference between race and nationality.

Its not even an argument. Its people acting like they have no knowledge of the opposing concept. You all know gotdamn well you cant be an asian if you arent an Asian. But you can be anything and be an American because being American isnt genetic....or...anything.

Superman is a ****ing American and hes not even from Earth.....you can become an American at 80. Your race just is what it is. It is not optional. Your opinion means nothing. You cant modify it. Your upbringing has nothing to do with it.

You are...what you are. Lin...is an Asian. Where he is born does not change what he is. And it is taking every drop of my respect for freedom of speech to not delete this bullshit.

asia is a race?

[LBJMVP]

.....over 400 years ago someone from my mothers side came over the bering straight..

that makes me Asian...plus I speak Mandarin.

what a stupid point to try and make. his parents are asian making his genes 100% asian blood. if he was born in asian he would still have the exact same genes he had if he was born in America.

thus making him an asian american. how can it be any clearer

[Kblaze8855]

You arent stupid enough to need it explained. Even if you insist on pretending you are.

[Teanett]

is europe a race too?

[LBJMVP]

what a stupid point to try and make. his parents are asian making his genes 100% asian blood. if he was born in asian he would still have the exact same genes he had if he was born in America.

thus making him an asian american. how can it be any clearer


yes i am quoting myself.... but if this doesnt end this thread i dont know what will.

[Bob Cousy]

is europe a race too?
I think he specifically means east asian.

or if you're gonna pretend to be stupid again, then CHINESE.

[Teanett]

I think he specifically means east asian.

or if you're gonna pretend to be stupid again, then CHINESE.

i am not pretending to be stupid. i am genuinely amazed that this is being discussed and if we do, then it is obligatory to be very specific.

[LBJMVP]

what a stupid point to try and make. his parents are asian making his genes 100% asian blood. if he was born in asian he would still have the exact same genes he had if he was born in America.

thus making him an asian american. how can it be any clearer


seriously... i wanna hear an arguement to this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ace23]

seriously... i wanna hear an arguement to this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think the OP is denying the fact that he is Asian-American; he's just saying that he is no more Asian than white folks are European, black folks are African, etc. All Americans came from somewhere.
..

[LBJMVP]

Originally Posted by ace23
I don't think the OP is denying the fact that he is Asian-American; he's just saying that he is no more Asian than white folks are European, black folks are African, etc. All Americans came from somewhere.




..


but that isnt true. im white, but both of my and my grandparents were born in america. so im not as european as he is asian.

he has 100% asian blood in him. he would look exactly the same if he was born in china/taiwan and would have the exact same genes.

[TheFrozenOne]

Native Americans were Asian immigrants.

Anyway....I cant believe people are still pretending to not know the difference between race and nationality.

Its not even an argument. Its people acting like they have no knowledge of the opposing concept. You all know gotdamn well you cant be an asian if you arent an Asian. But you can be anything and be an American because being American isnt genetic....or...anything.

Superman is a ****ing American and hes not even from Earth.....you can become an American at 80. Your race just is what it is. It is not optional. Your opinion means nothing. You cant modify it. Your upbringing has nothing to do with it.

You are...what you are. Lin...is an Asian. Where he is born does not change what he is. And it is taking every drop of my respect for freedom of speech to not delete this bullshit.





Jesus Christ....


we know the difference.....

Race = Governments way to categorize people (based off of minor physical traits) from different areas.....that's all it does.

but what I'm saying is...since "Race" (according to science) is just a social construct...and has no bearing on who a person is...since we are all the same species.


what does saying he is "Asian" even mean?....he has black Hair?...Black eyes?
We get it....he may look a certain a way....that's it.


but he was born and raised in America....his nationality is American...

saying he is Asian just means he may or may not look like someone from the huge continent of Asia.....that's it......kinda pointless....

especially of you understand genetics.

[TheFrozenOne]

Originally Posted by ace23
I don't think the OP is denying the fact that he is Asian-American; he's just saying that he is no more Asian than white folks are European, black folks are African, etc. All Americans came from somewhere.






but that isnt true. im white, but both of my and my grandparents were born in america. so im not as european as he is asian.

he has 100% asian blood in him. he would look exactly the same if he was born in china/taiwan and would have the exact same genes.




:facepalm

yes you are...


all Race is , is a way to catagorize people from different areas....If your close Family is from Europe...then you are as just as "European" as LIN is "asian"

LIN is from California...his Parents from Taiwan (part of Asia)...

same thing as you....

[b0bab0i]

:facepalm

yes you are...


all Race is , is a way to catagorize people from different areas....If your close Family is from Europe...then you are as just as "European" as LIN is "asian"

LIN is from California...his Parents from Taiwan (part of Asia)...

same thing as you....
:facepalm
Are you seriously that fvcking stupid or a troll?
Wish negs were back so i could neg the hell out of you.

[TheFrozenOne]

:facepalm
Are you seriously that fvcking stupid or a troll?
Wish negs were back so i could neg the hell out of you.


Someone calling me "stupid"...then uses imaginary "online rep"


(giggles)









next

[get these NETS]

3rd and last time ask this question to OP.


What do you call the Americans who will be dressed in green during that big parade in mid-March in NYC?

[TheFrozenOne]

3rd and last time ask this question to OP.


What do you call the Americans who will be dressed in green during that big parade in mid-March in NYC?


what is it?...Saint Patty's??


they would be called Drunks?....:confusedshrug:

[Cali Syndicate]

Race = Governments way to categorize people (based off of minor physical traits) from different areas.....that's all it does.

In essence, they are minor but they are significant differences. In fact many of these traits are adaptations to the environment that took thousands of years to develop. Sure we are all people but Race is actually more than a government controlled systematic classification.


but what I'm saying is...since "Race" (according to science) is just a social construct...and has no bearing on who a person is...since we are all the same species.

what does saying he is "Asian" even mean?....he has black Hair?...Black eyes?
We get it....he may look a certain a way....that's it.

So essentially you are saying culture means nothing. A shared cultivation of interests that is unique to each country is nothing more than what then? Is it just social gibberish? I don't think so man. As people we all eat, sleep and shit. Love, hate, fight, care for our kids...yada yada yada, but culture is much deeper than basic humanistic characteristics.



but he was born and raised in America....his nationality is American...

saying he is Asian just means he may or may not look like someone from the huge continent of Asia.....that's it......kinda pointless....

especially of you understand genetics.

He is definitely American. No doubt about it.

Let me ask you this though. Let's say, hypothetically, an Indian person was born in the US. His/her parents were born in India but came to find a better life in the US.

So this person grew up learning and speaking English, went through the US educational system and was fairly connected with American culture. However the parents had taken nothing from American culture except in utilizing the benefits of living in a developed country (running water, stable electricity, etc.).

When stepping into their home, it was like stepping into India. The smell, the decorations, language...everything culturally. In this home everything just straight up resembled India. So now this person was raised by their parents with Indian customs, values and even religion.

Person was born in the US, speaks English fluently, knows all the pop culture references, sports the latest fashion trends and fads and so on, but is completely culturally competent in their culture and even lives by some of it.

To call this person American is not wrong by any means. but to say this person is not Indian because genetics show humans are all alike is, for a lack of better words, retarded.

[Cali Syndicate]

And the reason I use Indians as a reference is because I was watching Russell Peters: The Green Card Tour yesterday and there is a segment in the very beginning that applies to the exact topic of this very thread.

If you have Netflix, you should check it out. Just check out the beginning because it applies here. No need to watch the entire show, kinda sucks. But if your interested in a good laugh, "Outsourced" is much better. Most of his material is about cultural and racial generalizations.

[TheFrozenOne]

Cali Syndicate]In essence, they are minor but they are significant differences. In fact many of these traits are adaptations to the environment that took thousands of years to develop. Sure we are all people but Race is actually more than a government controlled systematic classification.

yes...ultimatly it is only the Amino Acid Melanin..In humans, melanin is the primary determinant of skin color and hair also the pigmented tissue underlying the iris of the eye,



So essentially you are saying culture means nothing. A shared cultivation of interests that is unique to each country is nothing more than what then? Is it just social gibberish? I don't think so man. As people we all eat, sleep and shit. Love, hate, fight, care for our kids...yada yada yada, but culture is much deeper than basic humanistic characteristics.

no, I'm saying culture is very important...that's why he is American, because he was born and raised in American Culture.




He is definitely American. No doubt about it.

Let me ask you this though. Let's say, hypothetically, an Indian person was born in the US. His/her parents were born in India but came to find a better life in the US.

So this person grew up learning and speaking English, went through the US educational system and was fairly connected with American culture. However the parents had taken nothing from American culture except in utilizing the benefits of living in a developed country (running water, stable electricity, etc.).

When stepping into their home, it was like stepping into India. The smell, the decorations, language...everything culturally. In this home everything just straight up resembled India. So now this person was raised by their parents with Indian customs, values and even religion.

Person was born in the US, speaks English fluently, knows all the pop culture references, sports the latest fashion trends and fads and so on, but is completely culturally competent in their culture and even lives by some of it.

To call this person American is not wrong by any means. but to say this person is not Indian because genetics show humans are all alike is, for a lack of better words, retarded.


I guess since I traveled so much and have many different friends who have parents from many different countries...

Food and smells don't really mean that a person is not any less American...anyone can make Indian Food....anyone can decorate their house with different styles...

I know plenty of people who use "Oriental" style decorations...to me it's the same thing as going to Texas and seeing a Bull Horn or Cowboy hat on a wall...everyone has their own style.



not all Indians decorate the same...not all Europeans ....well you get the idea.

[LBJMVP]

:facepalm

yes you are...


all Race is , is a way to catagorize people from different areas....If your close Family is from Europe...then you are as just as "European" as LIN is "asian"

LIN is from California...his Parents from Taiwan (part of Asia)...

same thing as you....


no, i was born in georgia and my parents were born in ohio.

[TheFrozenOne]

And the reason I use Indians as a reference is because I was watching Russell Peters: The Green Card Tour yesterday and there is a segment in the very beginning that applies to the exact topic of this very thread.

If you have Netflix, you should check it out. Just check out the beginning because it applies here. No need to watch the entire show, kinda sucks. But if your interested in a good laugh, "Outsourced" is much better. Most of his material is about cultural and racial generalizations.


will do..:cheers:

[TheFrozenOne]

no, i was born in georgia and my parents were born in ohio.


ok...but someone in your family tree came from another country

same thing.

[B-Ball PharmD]

Why did Africans especially Kenyans cheer wildly for Obama when he was elected? Never before had there been such interest there in USA politics. And Obama barely knew his father and was not raised in Kenya or its culture at all. He was raised in USA, Indonesia, etc by his mother and stepfather and later grandparents. I am just curious if the kenyans routing for him bothers you as much as asians cheering for Lin when Lin clearly has a much stronger cultural connection with his ethnic ancestry since he was actually raised by two parents fully of that culture. Rational posters here understand that it's normal for people to cheer for those they identify with however small the connection really is. This takes nothing away from Lin being American just as it did not with obama.

[B-Ball PharmD]

yes...ultimatly it is only the Amino Acid Melanin..In humans, melanin is the primary determinant of skin color and hair also the pigmented tissue underlying the iris of the eye,




no, I'm saying culture is very important...that's why he is American, because he was born and raised in American Culture.






I guess since I traveled so much and have many different friends who have parents from many different countries...

Food and smells don't really mean that a person is not any less American...anyone can make Indian Food....anyone can decorate their house with different styles...

I know plenty of people who use "Oriental" style decorations...to me it's the same thing as going to Texas and seeing a Bull Horn or Cowboy hat on a wall...everyone has their own style.



not all Indians decorate the same...not all Europeans ....well you get the idea.


In no way can decorating or cooking a certain way compare to being raised in a home that is genuinely of a certain culture. My wife's family is Russian and I guarantee no typical American family can replicate the Russian cultural atmosphere of that house and lifestyle no matter how hard they try. The food, language, holidays, customs and traditions,etc are only fully understood by those from that background. The kids of course have aspects of both Russian and American cultures from being raised in the USA by truly Russian parents. But I promise that they still relate to Russian culture far more than a typical American, even one like me who has been strongly immersed in their culture.

[Rnbizzle]

Pretty sure apple pie wasn't invented in America.

[TheFrozenOne]

In no way can decorating or cooking a certain way compare to being raised in a home that is genuinely of a certain culture. My wife's family is Russian and I guarantee no typical American family can replicate the Russian cultural atmosphere of that house and lifestyle no matter how hard they try. The food, language, holidays, customs and traditions,etc are only fully understood by those from that background. The kids of course have aspects of both Russian and American cultures from being raised in the USA by truly Russian parents. But I promise that they still relate to Russian culture far more than a typical American, even one like me who has been strongly immersed in their culture.


He asked If I walked into a house and smelled indian food and saw the house decorated with "indian" style....(whatever that is) would I still think the Kid was American

I wouldn't think the Kid is any less American then someone who had a Bull Horn hanging from the ceiling cooking fried chicken ( BTW most indian food requires fried Chicken)


and



What does "relating" to a specific culture have anything to with growing up in America and bieng American?

I can go take a class for 4 years and learn how to speak Russian , cook Russian foods , celebrate Russian Holidays etc...I'm still American:confusedshrug:

[The_LA_Blakers]

Asian-Americans love him for what he represents.



Who cares where he was born?

[TheFrozenOne]

Asian-Americans love him for what he represents.



Who cares where he was born?


What does he represent??


and he was born and RAISED in California...

[Crown&Coke]

Mike Breen is a genuine retard.

I can agree with this

but I wouldn't say retard, more like mentally idiotic

as for the Lin debate, I have no idea, nor does it interest me

[tontoz]

What does he represent??


and he was born and RAISED in California...


Most of the black players in the NBA were born and raised here but they are still seen as black. Get over it.

[TheFrozenOne]

Most of the black players in the NBA were born and raised here but they are still seen as black. Get over it.


you make no sense...


So Blake Griffin isn't American...

[Basketman]

you make no sense...


So Blake Griffin isn't American...
Stop trying to pretend ethnicity does not exist. Yes, Jeremy Lin is an American. Kobe is an American. Blake Griffin is an American. But the difference between Kobe, Blake, and Jeremy Lin is that they are black (or mixed in Blake's case) and that Jeremy Lin is Asian. By him being an Asian guard, he is defying the odds. He is the one of the first Asians to play in the NBA. He is the first Asian-AMERICAN to play in the NBA.

[TheFrozenOne]

Stop trying to pretend ethnicity does not exist. Yes, Jeremy Lin is an American. Kobe is an American. Blake Griffin is an American. But the difference between Kobe, Blake, and Jeremy Lin is that they are black (or mixed in Blake's case) and that Jeremy Lin is Asian. By him being an Asian guard, he is defying the odds. He is the one of the first Asians to play in the NBA. He is the first Asian-AMERICAN to play in the NBA.


No he isn't...

and..


Kobe , Blake is to "Black" as Lin is to "Asian"...same thing

[Johnni Gade]

Still asian?

[Teanett]

Pretty sure apple pie wasn't invented in America.

every european country has it's own version.
the most commonly known american form is close to british or dutch, i believe.

so yeah, the apple pie you can buy in an american store is as european as lin is asian.

[tontoz]

you make no sense...


So Blake Griffin isn't American...


:facepalm


When Lin fills out a census form and comes to the column on race what does he put down? American?

Dumbass.

[AlphaWolf24]

:facepalm


When Lin fills out a census form and comes to the column on race what does he put down? American?

Dumbass.


No...American is his Nationality...

Race is what color his eyes , hair and skin is ....and that is it....like I said earlier (I was banned for saying larry Bird played bad...so I had to use my other account:confusedshrug: ) the govenment uses Race to catagorize people who have minor physical traits....and Science says "race" is meaningless and non exsistent.

Lin is no more Asian then Lebron James bieng "African"...I'll tell right now....Akron Ohio is nothing like any part of Africa.

[tontoz]

No...American is his Nationality...

Race is what color his eyes , hair and skin is ....and that is it....like I said earlier (I was banned for saying larry Bird played bad...so I had to use my other account:confusedshrug: ) the govenment uses Race to catagorize people who have minor physical traits....and Science says "race" is meaningless and non exsistent.

Lin is no more Asian then Lebron James bieng "African"...I'll tell right now....Akron Ohio is nothing like any part of Africa.


Minor physical traits? So why aren't there more players of Asian descent in the NBA dumbass?

[ballup]

Unless you know him and his family on a very personal level, you can't say how American or Asian he is. Culturally, I can tell you that he is at least mixed between American and Asian. His Mandarin isn't terrible, but he's not totally fluent.

[TheFrozenOne]

Unless you know him and his family on a very personal level, you can't say how American or Asian he is. Culturally, I can tell you that he is at least mixed between American and Asian. His Mandarin isn't terrible, but he's not totally fluent.


Culturally so is Tim Tebow(Asian American)......Tebow was born in Asia , lives in Asia and speaks Tagalo...

I know many Americans who's parents came from another country....as 90% of all Americans forfathers came from another country...

[LBJMVP]

Culturally so is Tim Tebow(Asian American)......Tebow was born in Asia , lives in Asia and speaks Tagalo...

I know many Americans who's parents came from another country....as 90% of all Americans forfathers came from another country...


well tebow was actually granted u.s. citizenship immediately after his birth since his parents were from america and they were only on a mission trip. and he cant be a phillipino citizen because neither of his parents were born there unless that person wanted to be a citizen. sure lin isnt a citizen of china/taiwan, but tebow still has 100% non asian blood, while lin on the other hand has 100% asian blood.

[TheFrozenOne]

well tebow was actually granted u.s. citizenship immediately after his birth since his parents were from america and they were only on a mission trip. and he cant be a phillipino citizen because neither of his parents were born there unless that person wanted to be a citizen. sure lin isnt a citizen of china/taiwan, but tebow still has 100% non asian blood, while lin on the other hand has 100% asian blood.


I said Culturally Tim Tebow is more "Asian" the Lin...

"100% Blood" what ever that means doesn't really mean anything...

...Tim Tebow actually Lived and still spends alot of time in Asia...

I Know plenty of "100% Asian" people who don't know anything about Asia or Asian culture.

just as many 100% "African's" don't know shit about Africa..

100% European Americans don't know shit about Europe..etc.

[LBJMVP]

I said Culturally Tim Tebow is more "Asian" the Lin...

"100% Blood" what ever that means doesn't really mean anything...

...Tim Tebow actually Lived and still spends alot of time in Asia...

I Know plenty of "100% Asian" people who don't know anything about Asia or Asian culture.

just as many 100% "African's" don't know shit about Africa..

100% European Americans don't know shit about Europe..etc.

but he is a direct descendant from two asian born parents, while tebow is not really even close. Lin's middle name is shu-how for gods sake. first player in the NBA from chinese/taiwanese descent.

direct quote from lin about college scholorships
Lin said: "I'm not saying top-5 state automatically gets you offers, but I do think (my ethnicity) did affect the way coaches recruited me. I think if I were a different race, I would've been treated differently."


plus there is this
Lin has regularly heard bigoted jeers at games such as "Wonton soup", "Sweet and sour pork", "Open your eyes!", "Go back to China", "Orchestra is on the other side of campus", or pseudo-Chinese gibberish

Lin stated that he could only speak Mandarin, not Cantonese, and could read and write a little. He had also taken classes while attending Harvard to try to improve.[137]

he is an asian- american.
why does that piss you off? asia, mostly china and taiwan idolizes the guy.

[TheFrozenOne]

but he is a direct descendant from two asian born parents, while tebow is not really even close. Lin's middle name is shu-how for gods sake. first player in the NBA from chinese/taiwanese descent.

direct quote from lin about college scholorships
Lin said: "I'm not saying top-5 state automatically gets you offers, but I do think (my ethnicity) did affect the way coaches recruited me. I think if I were a different race, I would've been treated differently."


plus there is this
Lin has regularly heard bigoted jeers at games such as "Wonton soup", "Sweet and sour pork", "Open your eyes!", "Go back to China", "Orchestra is on the other side of campus", or pseudo-Chinese gibberish

Lin stated that he could only speak Mandarin, not Cantonese, and could read and write a little. He had also taken classes while attending Harvard to try to improve.[137]

he is an asian- american.
why does that piss you off? asia, mostly china and taiwan idolizes the guy.



Tim Tebow is not a direct descendant???..HE WAS BORN IN ASIA!!! Lived in Asia and speaks Tagalo...who cares if he looks slightly different then most people in his area he was born?


you don't get it...all you are saying is LIN's social construct "Race" is "Asian"...that's it.

all "Race" is a government way to categorize people based on physical traits....science has proven it no meaning beyond that...."Race" has no bearing on who we are....


I have no problem where Lin's parents came from...or what our Government categorizes his physical traits as...I grew up 10 minutes fom Palo Alto (Lins Hometown)...he grew up just like me....I don't care what color his hair or eyes are...

my problem is he should be viewed as a great player.....Looking like someone else in another country should have nothing to do with him.

[LBJMVP]

Tim Tebow is not a direct descendant???..HE WAS BORN IN ASIA!!! Lived in Asia and speaks Tagalo...who cares if he looks slightly different then most people in his area he was born?


you don't get it...all you are saying is LIN's social construct "Race" is "Asian"...that's it.

all "Race" is a government way to categorize people based on physical traits....science has proven it no meaning beyond that...."Race" has no bearing on who we are....


I have no problem where Lin's parents came from...or what our Government categorizes his physical traits as...I grew up 10 minutes fom Palo Alto (Lins Hometown)...he grew up just like me....I don't care what color his hair or eyes are...

my problem is he should be viewed as a great player.....Looking like someone else in another country should have nothing to do with him.

so then you agree that lins race is asian-american?

well if your in the nba and any other color besides black and you putting up
allstar numbers in you first four starts you are gonna be looked at differently. especially if your asian/hispanic

[Chapallaz]

English immigrants had to import apple seeds in order to grow apple trees in the USA before they even could think of making apple pie in the US. Hence how dumb the saying is. It's a remarkable striking resemblance with how dumb this discussion is.

[AlphaWolf24]

English immigrants had to import apple seeds in order to grow apple trees in the USA before they even could think of making apple pie in the US. Hence how dumb the saying is. It's a remarkable striking resemblance with how dumb this discussion is.


you just answered my question...

apple pie (an american food) isn't even from America originally...yet it's American as apple pie:hammerhead:

______________________________

F ' it...


after watching Lin's highlights tonight...

we in the USA are Americalin's...

[trig]

Try being raised by chinese parents

[AlphaWolf24]

http://www.observer.com/files/2012/02/ebaylin.jpg

Jeremy with his junior High team in Ca.

look at all the Germans ancestry and African Ancestry of his friends....100% blood too!

:hammerhead:

[WeGetRing2012]

Lol just skimming through but race, ethnicity and nationality are all different things.

[WeGetRing2012]

Tim Tebow is not a direct descendant???..HE WAS BORN IN ASIA!!! Lived in Asia and speaks Tagalo...who cares if he looks slightly different then most people in his area he was born?


you don't get it...all you are saying is LIN's social construct "Race" is "Asian"...that's it.

all "Race" is a government way to categorize people based on physical traits....science has proven it no meaning beyond that...."Race" has no bearing on who we are....


I have no problem where Lin's parents came from...or what our Government categorizes his physical traits as...I grew up 10 minutes fom Palo Alto (Lins Hometown)...he grew up just like me....I don't care what color his hair or eyes are...

my problem is he should be viewed as a great player.....Looking like someone else in another country should have nothing to do with him.

Yes it does.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yes it does.


No it doesn't..


Among humans, race has no taxonomic significance; all living humans belong to the same hominid subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[7][8] Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies [9] that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete,[10] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.

Race is a very primitive way to catagorize human's.....it has no bearing on who we are....we are effected by our enviroment and culture(where and who we grow up with)

[LBJMVP]

No it doesn't..



Race is a very primitive way to catagorize human's.....it has no bearing on who we are....we are effected by our enviroment and culture(where and who we grow up with)


dont give me the bullshit... your just reaching
i dont look at a black/asian/mexican...ect.. and say "yah we are all the same"
race/ethnicity has a purpose and for some reason your to stubborn to admit it. before this whole lin debacle if i lined up all different races in a line... one being jeremy lin, one being lebron james, and one being grievus vasquez and asked you to name their ethnicity you would have answered without studdoring... asian american, african american, spanish.

[AlphaWolf24]

dont give me the bullshit... your just reaching
i dont look at a black/asian/mexican...ect.. and say "yah we are all the same"
race/ethnicity has a purpose and for some reason your to stubborn to admit it. before this whole lin debacle if i lined up all different races in a line... one being jeremy lin, one being lebron james, and one being grievus vasquez and asked you to name their ethnicity you would have answered without studdoring... asian american, african american, spanish.


If you lined up Lebron and Jeremy Lin I could most likely tell by the way they look and style they are American....

I could'nt tell you where they are from (Africa, China , Brazil , south America etc) because many places on Earth have people that look like Lebron and Lin..


but ethnicity has nothing to do with the way you look...but where you are raised and the culture you are brought up in. (look up the definition if you want)


http://www.elarsenal.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/canelo-alvarez.jpg

Ethnic background = "hispanic"


http://www.hollywoodmemorabilia.com/files/cache/ron-howard-signed-happy-days-8x10-photo-wcoa-proof_a794523fe45269973fe0f18ce0862275.jpg


ethnic background = "white"???


all these labels are pointless....

[LBJMVP]

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]If you lined up Lebron and Jeremy Lin I could most likely tell by the way they look and style they are American....

I could'nt tell you where they are from (Africa, China , Brazil , south America etc) because many places on Earth have people that look like Lebron and Lin..


but ethnicity has nothing to do with the way you look...but where you are raised and the culture you are brought up in. (look up the definition if you want)



you are lying if you say that you would look at lebron and not consider him african american or if you looked at lin and didnt consider him asian american.

[B-Ball PharmD]

If you lined up Lebron and Jeremy Lin I could most likely tell by the way they look and style they are American....

I could'nt tell you where they are from (Africa, China , Brazil , south America etc) because many places on Earth have people that look like Lebron and Lin..


but ethnicity has nothing to do with the way you look...but where you are raised and the culture you are brought up in. (look up the definition if you want)


http://www.elarsenal.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/canelo-alvarez.jpg

Ethnic background = "hispanic"


http://www.hollywoodmemorabilia.com/files/cache/ron-howard-signed-happy-days-8x10-photo-wcoa-proof_a794523fe45269973fe0f18ce0862275.jpg


ethnic background = "white"???


all these labels are pointless....


Enough with the PC bullshit. If we saw LBJ and Lin in generic white jumpsuits, everyone would know from which region of the globe their ancestries originated without a doubt. People keep saying race is just a social construct governments use... actually everyone uses them as a way to classify different groups of people. Race, no matter what you or "science" says, is a way that humans describe people that "look a certain way." Why is this a big deal? It is just another social classification. Similarly, language describes groups of people that "speak a certain way" and culture/traditions describe groups of people that "act/live a certain way." Humans classify each other in all these ways and more and that is just a fact of life. Race has always played a major role in culture and history no matter what you say about its nonexistence.

And the existence of exceptions to the rule (like above) do not change the general rule. BTW, hispanic describes a group of people whose ancestry originates from the interbreeding of European Spanish/Portuguese colonists and indigenous native Central/South Americans. Thus the guy above has European ancestry and it shows.

[B-Ball PharmD]

Also, I want to ask this to OP and others who agree with him. I asked him this earlier, but never got an answer. I am curious on his point of view because he mentioned that he was part black:

Why did Africans especially Kenyans cheer wildly for Obama when he was elected? Never before had there been such interest there in USA politics. And Obama barely knew his father and was not raised in Kenya or its culture at all. He was raised in USA, Indonesia, etc by his mother and stepfather and later grandparents. I am just curious if the kenyans routing for him bothers you as much as asians cheering for Lin when Lin clearly has a much stronger cultural connection with his ethnic ancestry since he was actually raised by two parents fully of that culture. Rational posters here understand that it's normal for people to cheer for those they identify with however small the connection really is. This takes nothing away from Lin being American just as it did not with obama.

[AlphaWolf24]

Enough with the PC bullshit. If we saw LBJ and Lin in generic white jumpsuits, everyone would know from which region of the globe their ancestries originated without a doubt. People keep saying race is just a social construct governments use... actually everyone uses them as a way to classify different groups of people. Race, no matter what you or "science" says, is a way that humans describe people that "look a certain way." Why is this a big deal? It is just another social classification. Similarly, language describes groups of people that "speak a certain way" and culture/traditions describe groups of people that "act/live a certain way." Humans classify each other in all these ways and more and that is just a fact of life. Race has always played a major role in culture and history no matter what you say about its nonexistence.

And the existence of exceptions to the rule (like above) do not change the general rule. BTW, hispanic describes a group of people whose ancestry originates from the interbreeding of European Spanish/Portuguese colonists and indigenous native Central/South Americans. Thus the guy above has European ancestry and it shows.


So Lebron has "African Ancestry" he acts a certain way???...this makes no sense whatso ever...


your "ancestry" or Race has little - nothing to do with how you act...it's the culture you are brought up in.

The Red Headed Boxer Ancestry is Hispanic , his mother/Father/GFather/GMother/GGFather/GGMother are all from Mexico...



look back far enough we all came from somewhere else.


Looking at Lebron and many other "african American" athletes ...they have "European ancestry" also...

thus proving all you said is meaningless..

[B-Ball PharmD]

So Lebron has "African Ancestry" he acts a certain way???...this makes no sense whatso ever...


your "ancestry" or Race has little - nothing to do with how you act...it's the culture you are brought up in.

The Red Headed Boxer Ancestry is Hispanic , his mother/Father/GFather/GMother/GGFather/GGMother are all from Mexico...



look back far enough we all came from somewhere else.


Looking at Lebron and many other "african American" athletes ...they have "European ancestry" also...

thus proving all you said is meaningless..


What are you talking about...no one said anything about race determining how you act. If you reread my post, I said race describes "looks" while culture describes "behavior/actions/lifestyles"...in other words what you just repeated. You didn't prove anything except your lack of reading comprehension. Earlier in the thread, OP was pretending not to know the difference btw race and nationality. Again, race=looks. Nationality=culture

And I understand that his ancestry is hispanic, which by definition means having both European and Amerindian ancestry combined long ago. You are right that many or most of American blacks have probably received some European ancestry somewhere along the line, but it is clear in most that African genes are clearly the majority, while you can really see the European ancestry in half-white, half-black players like Jason Kidd, Deron Williams, Blake Griffin, Mike Bibby, etc.

[AlphaWolf24]

What are you talking about...no one said anything about race determining how you act. If you reread my post, I said race describes "looks" while culture describes "behavior/actions/lifestyles"...in other words what you just repeated. You didn't prove anything except your lack of reading comprehension. Earlier in the thread, OP was pretending not to know the difference btw race and nationality. Again, race=looks. Nationality=culture

And I understand that his ancestry is hispanic, which by definition means having both European and Amerindian ancestry combined long ago. You are right that many or most of American blacks have probably received some European ancestry somewhere along the line, but it is clear in most that African genes are clearly the majority, while you can really see the European ancestry in half-white, half-black players like Jason Kidd, Deron Williams, Blake Griffin, Mike Bibby, etc.


witch means? what?....


exactly....nothing.

[B-Ball PharmD]

witch means? what?....


exactly....nothing.

**Which**

Only to those who are simple-minded. Are you afraid to answer the Obama question? Were the Kenyans wrong to celebrate? Were the black Americans wrong to be struck so emotionally with joy? Ignoring different racial characteristics do not make them disappear. A better idea is to embrace the differences as a good thing in diversity.

[pejavelin]

Apple Pie originated in England you dumb ass.

you could say, american as egg benedict

[BlueandGold]

Yes he is culturally american, but looks asian. End of story.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yes he is culturally american, but looks asian. End of story.

ok.

[Kblaze8855]

This topic had me look into something I was never sure about...

Dogs. All domestic dogs are the same species. Yet...if I see a German Shepherd and a poodle....I dont pretend they are the same thing.

[GOBB]

This topic had me look into something I was never sure about...

Dogs. All domestic dogs are the same species. Yet...if I see a German Shepherd and a poodle....I dont pretend they are the same thing.

I've never seen people argue so much on denying what Jeremy Lin is and will forever be. Asian.

If people want to make it clear that he is asian american and not fresh off the boat? Cool. He's not Yao Ming who is considered a foreigner. But at the end of the day both share one thing in common. Asian.

If Jeremy Lin mugged you and police asked me for a description? How do I describe Lin without saying "asian". You cant.

"He's a 6'3 male about 200lbs, wearing shorts, tank top and bball kicks. I'd say early 20's"

Black? White? Hispanic?

"He is American."

Can you be a little more specific?

"He's American as apple pie. What else can I tell you? Go catch him :confusedshrug: "

:roll:

[AlphaWolf24]

This topic had me look into something I was never sure about...

Dogs. All domestic dogs are the same species. Yet...if I see a German Shepherd and a poodle....I dont pretend they are the same thing.


http://www.ket.org/kentuckylife/pawpals/images/nichols_scott.jpg

http://dogs.thefuntimesguide.com/images/blogs/german-shepherd-by-neilson.jpg

they are the same thing...just different sizes and different colors...

all dogs:confusedshrug:

[tontoz]

If you got bit on the arm by a poodle and by a pit bull i think you would realize they are very different.

[AlphaWolf24]

I've never seen people argue so much on denying what Jeremy Lin is and will forever be. Asian.

If people want to make it clear that he is asian american and not fresh off the boat? Cool. He's not Yao Ming who is considered a foreigner. But at the end of the day both share one thing in common. Asian.

If Jeremy Lin mugged you and police asked me for a description? How do I describe Lin without saying "asian". You cant.

"He's a 6'3 male about 200lbs, wearing shorts, tank top and bball kicks. I'd say early 20's"

Black? White? Hispanic?

"He is American."

Can you be a little more specific?

"He's American as apple pie. What else can I tell you? Go catch him :confusedshrug: "

:roll:


What in the world does describing someones Physical Apearance have to do with thier culture? and who they are?


yes I know what he looks like...


Me - "Lin is from my hometown."

You - "He looks Asian...he must be just like Yao Ming"

Me - " NO...Yao is from China....a totally different country with a little different culture"

You - "but look at LIN he's Asian!!!"

Me - "ok...he looks like some people from certain parts of Asia:confusedshrug: but he is just like everyone else raised in the Bay Area"

You - "wow...so you mean he looks Asian but doesn't do anything like Yao Ming?"

Me - ":facepalm "

[AlphaWolf24]

If you got bit on the arm by a poodle and by a pit bull i think you would realize they are very different.


yes of course....If you got punched in the Face by Shaq or Mugsy Bogues would you know the difference??

[LBJMVP]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTR9F25YIuB7r8FF-D0VmYk3Yf8E8o55taOT4KvS7FOH3rAqG3yLA

http://secure.terrificpets.com/images/uploads/43202004171214613.jpg

not really the same.

sames species, yet differ "races" if you will.

your fighting a losing an arguement.

[GOBB]

AlphaWolf you wrote that and it addresses nothing in my post. :roll: Nice fail.

[Kblaze8855]

http://www.teacuppoodles.us/images/teacup_poodle.jpg


Exact same thing as:

http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/maddog_1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1K4MXMiBMZU/TlVg9YcIQfI/AAAAAAAAQ-c/Jq9KJR34VfA/s400/king-of-dogs-01.jpg

Just bigger...and a different color....and vastly different in build...and mannerisms...and purpose...and...everything short of basic species.

If two things are the same species...giving them labels based on them being factually very different is "ignorant".

Lets stop calling dogs different breeds. If your daughter wants a teacup poodle cop her a mastiff.

http://www.dogs-info.net/uploads/allimg/110917/1T610J58-2.jpg

Same species. Same animal. Put her on punishment if she has a problem with it. Breed means nothing and acknowledging it makes you anti science.

Things should be identified by the government of the soil under the building in which they emerge from their mothers. Thats what determines what you are. Not the genetic material of the two people who create you.

[zizozain]

What in the world does describing someones Physical Apearance have to do with thier culture? and who they are?


yes I know what he looks like...


Me - "Lin is from my hometown."

You - "He looks Asian...he must be just like Yao Ming"

Me - " NO...Yao is from China....a totally different country with a little different culture"

You - "but look at LIN he's Asian!!!"

Me - "ok...he looks like some people from certain parts of Asia:confusedshrug: but he is just like everyone else raised in the Bay Area"

You - "wow...so you mean he looks Asian but doesn't do anything like Yao Ming?"

Me - ":facepalm "

lol

[heyhey]

http://www.teacuppoodles.us/images/teacup_poodle.jpg


Exact same thing as:

http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/maddog_1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1K4MXMiBMZU/TlVg9YcIQfI/AAAAAAAAQ-c/Jq9KJR34VfA/s400/king-of-dogs-01.jpg

Just bigger...and a different color....and vastly different in build...and mannerisms...and purpose...and...everything short of basic species.

If two things are the same species...giving them labels based on them being factually very different is "ignorant".

Lets stop calling dogs different breeds. If your daughter wants a teacup poodle cop her a mastiff.

http://www.dogs-info.net/uploads/allimg/110917/1T610J58-2.jpg

Same species. Same animal. Put her on punishment if she has a problem with it. Breed means nothing and acknowledging it makes you anti science.

Things should be identified by the government of the soil under the building in which they emerge from their mothers. Thats what determines what you are. Not the genetic material of the two people who create you.

No one is sayin lins black or white but last I heard American wasn't actually a breed but a nationality. And the ethnic composition of the country evolves over time

[LBJMVP]

What in the world does describing someones Physical Apearance have to do with thier culture? and who they are?


yes I know what he looks like...


Me - "Lin is from my hometown."

You - "He looks Asian...he must be just like Yao Ming"

Me - " NO...Yao is from China....a totally different country with a little different culture"

You - "but look at LIN he's Asian!!!"

Me - "ok...he looks like some people from certain parts of Asia:confusedshrug: but he is just like everyone else raised in the Bay Area"

You - "wow...so you mean he looks Asian but doesn't do anything like Yao Ming?"

Me - ":facepalm "

how do you know how lin grew up culture wise?

[-p.tiddy-]

how do you know how lin grew up culture wise?
he said "Lin is from my hometown."

[tontoz]

I knew Alpha was an idiot before this thread but i didn't realize he was this dumb. Wow