The 'this jeremy lin thing is fun, but he cant sustain it' bandwagon

[chips93]

ive loved this lin story. who hasnt, but there is no way he can keep this up. if he is averaging above 12ppg, and 6 apg by the end of the year, i will be surprised.

guys just dont go from bench-warmer/possibly-going-to-get-cut, to 20ppg scorers overnight. it just doesnt happen.

his first few games have just been an aberration. eventually he will regress back to what he really is. and i dont know exactly what that is, but its a lot worse that how hes playing right now.

its been fun, but the linsanity has to come to an end

so do you think he can really sustain a high level of play? or is this just a flash in the pan?

(I know, i know, another lin thread, blah blah blah . . . its an interesting story, there are going to be lots of threads about him.)

[kurple]

this is what everyone with a brain is thinking

[bagelred]

ive loved this lin story. who hasnt, but there is no way he can keep this up. if he is averaging above 12ppg, and 6 apg by the end of the year, i will be surprised.

guys just dont go from bench-warmer/possibly-going-to-get-cut, to 20ppg scorers overnight. it just doesnt happen.

his first few games have just been an aberration. eventually he will regress back to what he really is. and i dont know exactly what that is, but its a lot worse that how hes playing right now.

its been fun, but the linsanity has to come to an end

so do you think he can really sustain a high level of play? or is this just a flash in the pan?

(I know, i know, another lin thread, blah blah blah . . . its an interesting story, there are going to be lots of threads about him.)

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[Bandito]

I can't honestly tell if he will or not we'll just have to wait and see huh?

[Clippersfan86]

Nobody in NBA history has done what he's doing. He's not doing it vs scrubs either, sans the Lakers game. He's doing it vs very good PG's and a couple very solid teams. There is no way he drops off as much as you're saying. Obviously he won't sustain 26 ppg, 8 apg and 3 steals a game... but... for him to finish at around 17 and 8 (Tony Parker level player) isn't too unrealistic.

This kid is here to stay.

[alenleomessi]

cool story bro
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[Shepseskaf]

this is what everyone with a brain is thinking
Anyone with even half a brain understands that Lin will never be asked to be an elite-level scorer on a team with Stat and Melo.

Will he continue to be an offensive threat, and capable of dropping 30 on a given night? -- Yes.

Will he continue to be smart about distributing the ball and making good decisions in crunch time? -- Yes.

Will his speed and quickness off of the dribble suddenly disappear? - No.

So, yes, he'll continue to be very successful as the Knicks starting point guard, as long as Pringles doesn't overuse him.

[Clutch]

Obviously he won't continue averaging 27/8 on +50% shooting but I think he can be a solid contributor on this team.

He plays smart,attacks the basket and can pass.
You don't lose that over night.

This streak probably wasn't a fluke. He isn't some kind of shooter who gets hot for a few games and scores 30+ points.
Most of his points came because he attacked the basket and that's pretty consistent way to score.

If he can average 13 points and 8 assists per game until the end of the season I will be more than satisfied.

[RRR3]

cool story bro
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Please tell me what that gif is from and the girl's name :D

[alenleomessi]

Please tell me what that gif is from and the girl's name :D
i dont know man its probably some comedy, maybe someone else can tell us :oldlol:

[RRR3]

i dont know man its probably some comedy, maybe someone else can tell us :oldlol:
Just researched it. It's Lindsay Maxwell from "Revenge of the boarding school dropouts" apparently.

[chips93]

Nobody in NBA history has done what he's doing. He's not doing it vs scrubs either, sans the Lakers game. He's doing it vs very good PG's and a couple very solid teams. There is no way he drops off as much as you're saying. Obviously he won't sustain 26 ppg, 8 apg and 3 steals a game... but... for him to finish at around 17 and 8 (Tony Parker level player) isn't too unrealistic.

This kid is here to stay.

this is exactly why i dont think he can sustain it. and by sustaining it, i mean, i dont think that he can score 15ppg.



Will he continue to be an offensive threat, and capable of dropping 30 on a given night? -- Yes.

Will he continue to be smart about distributing the ball and making good decisions in crunch time? -- Yes.

Will his speed and quickness off of the dribble suddenly disappear? - No.



will teams pick up on his tendencies, and force him to his weaknesses - Yes

[GOBB]

I dont think he will sustain this high level of play. I do think he will remain a starting caliber PG.

[heyhey]

I dont think he will sustain this high level of play. I do think he will remain a starting caliber PG.

exactly, and that's still incredibly impressive for someone that was cut from two teams and went undrafted. expectation needn't be so high.

[kurple]

agree with the three above

[Shepseskaf]

will teams pick up on his tendencies, and force him to his weaknesses - Yes
And those weaknesses are....?

[All Net]

You don't score 20+ for 5 straight games including a 38 and 7 game just by fluke. This kid is the real deal...can he can a 20 and 8 guy all year? he won't need to but he will be a quailty starting PG for them.

[niko]

He won't play this well, but he's not going to suddenly suck. He didn't suck and start playing well. He wasn't given a chance to play and once he did, is better than anyone thought.

So sorry haters, he's not going to fall offf a cliff anytime soon.

[kurple]

not many thinks he will suck

14/6 isn't sucking

[joshwake]

Too bad he is in new york. Almost any other coaching staff could develop him into a solid player. The only stat he will sustain in ny is his 5-8 turnovers.

[chips93]

what im trying to get across, is that i think we are likely seeing another anthony morrow, rather what some others project him as.


And those weaknesses are....?

his jumper. he seems to be given a lot of room on the pick and roll as well


So sorry haters, he's not going to fall off a cliff anytime soon.

ive made it pretty clear that i have enjoyed his play, but because im not as optimistic, im a 'hater'

:rolleyes:

[kurple]

i was one of the few that knew who he was and liked his game (thought he would be a very good backup) before all of this

and i'm the biggest hater on ish

[IGOTGAME]

I dont think he will sustain this high level of play. I do think he will remain a starting caliber PG.

this.

[Shepseskaf]

his jumper. he seems to be given a lot of room on the pick and roll as well
That's pretty weak analysis. In case you didn't see it, he's quick and has an excellent handle. He can get room for a jumper anytime he wants it.

A real weakness is that he isn't as effective driving to his left as he is to the right. He'll have to work on that.

And just because teams will have more tape on him doesn't mean he won't continue to be effective. His skills are very solid; no one is going to shut him down.

[niko]

what im trying to get across, is that i think we are likely seeing another anthony morrow, rather what some others project him as.



his jumper. he seems to be given a lot of room on the pick and roll as well



ive made it pretty clear that i have enjoyed his play, but because im not as optimistic, im a 'hater'

:rolleyes:
Your initial post sounds like you think he will go back to she he was ore streak, you e backtracked to him being less than now, which is a total no shit for me. Who thinks he will score 28 a game?

[chips93]

i was one of the few that knew who he was and liked his game (thought he would be a very good backup) before all of this

and i'm the biggest hater on ish

there are no grey areas on ish.

if you're not a dick rider, then you're a hater.

[mr beast]

ive loved this lin story. who hasnt, but there is no way he can keep this up. if he is averaging above 12ppg, and 6 apg by the end of the year, i will be surprised.

guys just dont go from bench-warmer/possibly-going-to-get-cut, to 20ppg scorers overnight. it just doesnt happen.

his first few games have just been an aberration. eventually he will regress back to what he really is. and i dont know exactly what that is, but its a lot worse that how hes playing right now.

its been fun, but the linsanity has to come to an end

so do you think he can really sustain a high level of play? or is this just a flash in the pan?






(I know, i know, another lin thread, blah blah blah . . . its an interesting story, there are going to be lots of threads about him.)




sure players dont go from bench warmers to being the go to guy dropping 20~30 pts overnight

but he was already capable of doing that just that he did not get any minutes and the ok to shoot . (this is probably true for a lot of the nba bench warmers, if you can make it to the league, you got game . just that going from the #1 or #2 option to being a role player isn't as easy as it seems to transition hence many struggled)

as long as Dantoni gives him the same minute and shot opportunities, i think he can avg 20ppg 5apg pretty easily

but is that gona happen when Amare and Melo comes back? probably not

[IGOTGAME]

That's pretty weak analysis. In case you didn't see it, he's quick and has an excellent handle. He can get room for a jumper anytime he wants it.

A real weakness is that he isn't as effective driving to his left as he is to the right. He'll have to work on that.

And just because teams will have more tape on him doesn't mean he won't continue to be effective. His skills are very solid; no one is going to shut him down.

if yesterday wasn't get shut down then no one can ever shut down someone who takes 24 shots.

but what would you expect from someone advocating Amare could play small forward.

the guy's passing is very overrated that is going to disappoint people the most. he isn't gonna end up being this elite passer that people are portraying him to be. He trys to make the right play but doesn't see the game well enough imo. All those jump passes are gonna start to turn into even more turnovers and he will fall off.

[chips93]

Your initial post sounds like you think he will go back to she he was ore streak, you e backtracked to him being less than now, which is a total no shit for me. Who thinks he will score 28 a game?

too many typos to fully understand

when did i ever say bolded?

ive been pretty consistent.

anthony morrow is a 12ppg scorer on his career. how is that to what i tihnk lin will do backtracking?

i dont think he can score 15 ppg, or get like 6 or 7 apg

[Shepseskaf]

if yesterday wasn't get shut down then no one can ever shut down someone who takes 24 shots.

but what would you expect from someone advocating Amare could play small forward.
Is this English?

And if you're referring to the debate yesterday, yes trading Melo for Pau would be an advantage for the Knicks. Especially if Melo can't get with the Lin system.

[Bone Machine]

Maintaning 27/8 on 51.5% shooting? Most likely not, but I think 14/7 on 46% shooting seems reasonable. I honestly can't judge his passing that well, it might even go up, because of Amare coming back, but you never know how often he's going to be able to make the plays.

[IGOTGAME]

Is this English?

And if you're referring to the debate yesterday, yes trading Melo for Pau would be an advantage for the Knicks. Especially if Melo can't get with the Lin system.
im on my phone.

nope. I'm referring to a subsection of that debate. You said Amare could function well at small forward. That is absurd.

[Shepseskaf]

nope. I'm referring to a subsection of that debate. You said Amare could function well at small forward. That is absurd.
Absurd, why? Not every team has a prototypical player at each position. If Melo was traded for Pau, and Amare had to hold down the SF spot, he could do it, no question.

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[chips93]

amar'e doesnt stand a chance staying in front of any starting 3 in the league imo

[Clutch]

amar'e doesnt stand a chance staying in front of any starting 3 in the league imo
He can't even stay in front of 500 lbs Boris Diaw.

[IGOTGAME]

Absurd, why? Not every team has a prototypical player at each position. If Melo was traded for Pau, and Amare had to hold down the SF spot, he could do it, no question.

I’m assuming that you think that he would be exploited on defense.

Here is the list of the top scorers at the SF position:

1 LeBron James
2 Kevin Durant
3 Carmelo Anthony
4 Danny Granger
5 Rudy Gay
6 Paul Pierce
7 Danilo Gallinari
8 Caron Butler
9 Gerald Wallace
10 Andre Iguodala

LBJ and KD are going to get their points regardless, but who else on that list are you really afraid of? Who on that list, aside from the top two wouldn’t Stat have an advantage on offensively? The basic fact is that the SF position is not a very strong one at this point, and I like what Stat could potentially provide on the other end.

you assumption is partially wrong. I don't think Amare can play offense any part of a wing position either. I think he is a horrible passer, can't handle the ball in any well enough and would destroy spacing(despite being a good mid-range pick and pop guy) and not be able to get good shots. Defense wouldn't be up to par either, but he would have issues in almost every regard playing a perimeter spot.

I'm not big on pigeon holing(sp) players into positions but I don't think that could work in any capacity on a good team.

[DuMa]

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[Shepseskaf]

you assumption is partially wrong. I don't think Amare can play offense any part of a wing position either. I think he is a horrible passer, can't handle the ball in any well enough and would destroy spacing(despite being a good mid-range pick and pop guy) and not be able to get good shots. Defense wouldn't be up to par either, but he would have issues in almost every regard playing a perimeter spot.

I'm not big on pigeon holing(sp) players into positions but I don't think that could work in any capacity on a good team.
Ok, that's your opinion. Its conventional, and I understand that asking Amare to play out of position would constitute an experiment. However, if that meant that the Knicks could get an excellent passing big man like Pau for Melo, I'd be for it.

How many great passing SFs are there right now?

Anyway, the whole point is moot unless the trade rumors start to swirl around Melo. For the record, I hope that when both Stat and Melo come back that the flow that Lin has established will continue.

[Clutch]

Amare doesn't have a consistent three point shot.

Also he's not quick enough to blow by his small forward opponents,he has no handles and is a huge liability defensively even at power forward/center position,I don't even want to imagine how would it look like against much quicker small forwards.

Amare at small forward would look like Steve Novak with a much worse shot.
He needs to play closer to the basket,not further away.

[atljonesbro]

He's shown he has the skill set to be a top PG in the league. I really don't think this is a fluke. I could see him anywhere between a Tony Parker to Deron Williams level. He could progress to be even better. He hasn't done anything to show me he's gonna all the sudden drop to a 13-6 player. Well of course, unless Melo comes in and messes everything up like he probably will.

[Derka]

Who cares if its a flash in the pan? Honestly, who the hell cares? Its hilarious to me that people are sitting around waiting for this awesome story to come crashing down so they can tell everyone "HAH TOLD YA SO! I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL AND I WAS WICKED SMART IN THAT THREAD I MADE WHERE I PREDICTED THE FUTURE ABOUT EVERYTHING."

Look, the NBA just went through the equivalent of triple bypass surgery with all the bullshit that surrounded the lock out. Since The Decision, free agency has become a circus of lies, shit being made up on Twitter feeds and fans feeling betrayed by stars who just want to win titles.

Then this kid gets his opportunity to live a basketball player's dream, manages to make the best of it, and all the community of hoop "fans" can do is sit at their computers and say "He can't keep this up and he'll never be the top point guard in the history of the human species, so everybody get off his nuts." WHO F**KING CARES? Stories like Jeremy Lin are EXACTLY what the League and its fans need to get their blood boiling about the pro game again. I hope this season has a dozen Jeremy Lin stories because its entertaining and exciting and it makes the game fun to watch.

People going out of their way to put negative spins on the kind of things people into this game to enjoy...man, f**k those people.

[Shepseskaf]

Amare doesn't have a consistent three point shot.

Also he's not quick enough to blow by his small forward opponents,he has no handles and is a huge liability defensively even at power forward/center position,I don't even want to imagine how would it look like against much quicker small forwards.

Amare at small forward would look like Steve Novak with a much worse shot.
He needs to play closer to the basket,not further away.
We've beaten this argument to death, and I certainly realize that you've made a number of valid points on this.

[kurple]

wow. where did that come from

the crazy thing is that no one (maybe a few) are hating.. we are just saying our opinion

are we not gonna say it becasue it's less optimistic than the majority of this retarded place?

you could post that book of yours in the we hate jeremy lin thread. but not this one

[DStebb716]

his jumper. he seems to be given a lot of room on the pick and roll as well

Sure, teams will start playing him a lot closer on the pick and roll, but then that'll open up space for Stat and Melo to eat teams alive. This is why everybody that support D'Antoni has been saying "wait until they get a PG." If you have to honor the guy with the ball (the PG in most situations), then you will have to give Melo and Stat more space.

[kurple]

lin will become my favorite player if he actually continues this, cause the story behind his stardom would be AMAZING.. but i just dont think he will

that's it.. and i'm sure most of the haters agree

[pauk]

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[nathanjizzle]

OP doesnt know shit about basketball.

[chips93]

OP doesnt know shit about basketball.

:oldlol: coming from you :oldlol:

[chips93]

wow. where did that come from

the crazy thing is that no one (maybe a few) are hating.. we are just saying our opinion

are we not gonna say it becasue it's less optimistic than the majority of this retarded place?

you could post that book of yours in the we hate jeremy lin thread. but not this one

this

i can expect something, while hoping for the opposite.

i hope lin keeps up his play. its a great story. i just dont expect it to hold up.

[SevereUpInHere]

He's definitely not going to keep these sort of stats up, especially once we get the scoring back from Melo and Amare. I couldn't care less what stats he puts up as long as he RUNS the offence as well as he has been doing, keep up his energy and keeps getting the other players involved, especially on the p+r. I'll be very happy if he can manage to do that.

He's completely changed my outlook on our team, god I was negative on us until he started balling, now I actually believe.

[Micku]

I wish he would because it would be a great story.

But he most likely won't. Still don't know how good Linsanity is, but he seems like a legit starter and the way he runs the offense is something the the Knicks missing. One of the main reasons why he won't average Linsanity numbers, besides that he probably won't keep it up, is because Melo and Amare will come back and take some of the shot attempts away.

[LakersReign]

This reminds me way too much of how Aaron Brooks had that one breakout season, in '09 I think. The same thing that happened to Brooks will eventually happen here. Teams are gonna start keying on Lin, forcing to work harder for his shot. He hasn't been pressured yet, so we'll see how he looks when that happens, and how he responds to it.

[SacJB Shady]

my friend actually says Jeremy Lin is the best point guard he has never seen and says he is gonna be gunning for MVP

[SacJB Shady]

One things you guys have to consider is last night was an off night for Lin. And he got 20 and 8 and he was hurt and very winded. He could have easily put up 30 last night just like that. So i think 20 and 8 is reasonable for Lin if he's healthy. You can't deny the way he finishes. He goes in. His crossover is stunning. He's a harvard graduate and will study whatever he has to to correct his deficiencies. You think Lin is a fluke? He averaged more in his first 4 games then Lebron, Shaq, Michael Jordan. Last night, the 20 and 8 game is Lin on an off night. Just think if I'm right. Maybe Lin is better than you think. Maybe you are not willing to give Lin a chance. Oh well, i guess he will have to be the underdog all over again.

[nashwade]

even lebron has 15-pts game. give this man a break... he's a scorer for sure and this aint no fluke

looks like Nash doesnt have a job in NY afterall

[chips93]

thats like three times somebody has replied ''its not a fluke''. i never called it a fluke. rather, and aberration.

[kurple]

my friend actually says Jeremy Lin is the best point guard he has never seen and says he is gonna be gunning for MVP
lol @ your friend

[kurple]

One things you guys have to consider is last night was an off night for Lin. And he got 20 and 8
on 24 shots and with 6 TO's

do you think melo and amare will let him do that once they return?

I expect 12-15ppg 6-7apg with a good amount of TO's (3ish)

[SleepyCorpse]

I think he'll end up around 15ppg - 7 ppg on a short prime with a one or two undeserved all star selections.

[WhySoInsecure?]

on 24 shots and with 6 TO's

do you think melo and amare will let him do that once they return?

I expect 12-15ppg 6-7apg with a good amount of TO's (3ish)
A day after dropping 38 on the Lakers. He was visibly tired and the whole team looked short on legs.

He's been forcing a ton of passes so his turnovers are high but that's mainly because teams started crashing on him. He only had 1 turnover in the first game, then none in the first half of the jazz game. With Melo and Amare back he'll see much less pressure and won't need to force anything.

He'll probably put up 10-12pts and 7-8 assists with no more than 3 turnovers once the team is healthy.

[Smoove&Melo]

Lin scores with ease 20 is light for him. Melo Amare get back he averaging 19 & 9.7 assist.

[millwad]

This reminds me way too much of how Aaron Brooks had that one breakout season, in '09 I think. The same thing that happened to Brooks will eventually happen here. Teams are gonna start keying on Lin, forcing to work harder for his shot. He hasn't been pressured yet, so we'll see how he looks when that happens, and how he responds to it.

I feel you but I don't agree completely.

In Brooks case he got more stopped due his injuries and the play of Lowry rather then opponents guarding him better. He could still score but obviously Houston didn't have any great threats a la scorers so it made Brooks easier to guard.

Of course I don't believe that Lin will be able to put up the stats he's done lately much longer but he's not the same chucker Aaron was, he's more of a PG and he seems to be a better passer and definitely a better defender.

I think Lin still will be able to put up 15 a game on good % when Melo and Amare comes back.

[LA_Showtime]

Lin doesn't have to put up 25/8 to keep his starting role. All he's got to do is run the offense, get Anthony and Amare shots in their sweet spots, and continue to provide that contagious positive energy he's brought to the team. I still can't believe how energized he's made his teammates. They genuinely look like they're having fun out there, which hasn't been the case in a long time.

[DRose1899]

Count me in brother.

Still think he would not even better than such like Ty Lawson, its obvious Lin is just living on his moment, good for him.

[kurple]

He's not better than Lawson. Most will disagree, but no way.

from another thread:

Lin is winning me over, but i still think the turnovers is a big concern..

I would also like to se how he does when teams force/dare him to shot.. He's been a good shooter these games, but not GREAT over his career.

I also wanna see how efficient he is when he doesnt get to shoot 20+ shots a game. Most NBA starters could score 20 a game if they shot 20 shots a game.

He's also playing A LOT of minutes, give a guy like Lawson 40mpg and Lin's freedom see what he does.

He doesnt deserve me bashing him, cause what he's doing is amazing.. But there are still a bunch of question marks, and people act like there isnt

He does have a nice looking shot, very good court vision and is great at creating space with his body.. But he COULD struggle when teams start to figure his game out (even more) and the keys to the car is given to Melo.

[entropy35]

27/9 50+FG% those are ridiculous numbers.

I think he can get something like 18-20/9 when Melo comes back.

[Rnbizzle]

I think something like 14/7 is his realistical ceiling when they come back down to earth.

[bluechox2]

when melo gets back, i see him avging 18/9

[SacJB Shady]

when melo gets back, i see him avging 18/9


but that is still good. Hopefully they still keep Linning