Jews the greatest ethnic group in terms of accomplishments for mankind???

[Nick Young]

Karl Marx
Albert Einstein
Sigmund Freud
Yeshua Ha Nosri (Jesus, one of the most influential people ever)
Woody Allen
Neils Bohr
Steven Spielberg
Stanley Kubrick
Mark Zuckerberg
Bob Dylan


Considering our small population size, is it safe to say that Jews have contributed more to the benefit of humanity than any other group of people?

[Scoooter]

They also built the Pyramids.

[fos]

Karl Marx
Albert Einstein
Sigmund Freud
Yeshua Ha Nosri (Jesus, one of the most influential people ever)
Woody Allen
Neils Bohr
Steven Spielberg
Stanley Kubrick
Mark Zuckerberg
Bob Dylan


Considering our small population size, is it safe to say that Jews have contributed more to the benefit of humanity than any other group of people?

The bold ones are trash IMO.

[Lebron23]

Jeff Lenchiner aka Mr.Insidehoops

[Hazard]

The bold ones are trash IMO.
And who the **** are you?

[Nick Young]

The bold ones are trash IMO.
Freud trash?
Three others among the greatest film directors of all time.
The other, the youngest billionairre ever.

[fos]

And who the **** are you?

Isn't it obvious?

[Hazard]

Isn't it obvious?
Trash?

[gigantes]

i wouldn't say "benefit" so much as "advancement."

2% of the population producing such a huge proportion of the world's most brilliant people has to have a very interesting story behind it. maybe something along the lines of being persecuted for so long pushes a people to overcompensate...

[fos]

Freud trash?
Three others among the greatest film directors of all time.
The other, the youngest billionairre ever.

Three greatest film directors of all time? I don't think so. Maybe in terms of commercial success. As for Zuckerberg, he sorta cheated the Winklevoss twins and even so it's not like he invented social networks.

[fos]

Anyways, Jews certainly stand out accomplishment wise for their population, but let's not act like they can touch white anglo saxon protestants.

[miller-time]

Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 800 individuals, of whom at least 20% were Jews, although Jews comprise only 0.2% of the world's population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

[D-Wade316]

How about Jesus Christ? :confusedshrug:

Edit: Yeshua Ha Nosri :lol

[fos]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

I think this has to do with historic circumstance. Jews were persecuted in the European countries they resided in (many eastern European countries). Since they were not allowed to own land there was really no rural Jews, they all lived in heavy urban centers and had to make a living with business and banking. Being successful entrepreneurs they were able to send their kids to the best schools available.

[gigantes]

Anyways, Jews certainly stand out accomplishment wise for their population, but let's not act like they can touch white anglo saxon protestants.
you're right. i don't think any group can touch WASPs in terms of screwing up the world. they and the WASC's, of course.

[fos]

http://movieactors.com/freezeframes5/jurassicPark38.jpeg
http://puffweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/roy-scheider-jaws-300x187.jpg
Trash?

I don't think either of those movies are that great. Jurassic Park was successful because of its amazing special effects that still look good today. Nobody says "OMG Jurassic Park's story was so great!" Jaws was retarded. Great White Shark goes around eating surfers (with theme music for when it attacks) and then some people kill it. Did William Shakespeare write it?

FYI Shakespeare wasn't a Jew (neither were many of the English who have contributed much more than Jews have yet don't have their own thread).

[RaininThrees]

Karl Marx
Albert Einstein
Sigmund Freud
Yeshua Ha Nosri (Jesus, one of the most influential people ever)
Woody Allen
Neils Bohr
Steven Spielberg
Stanley Kubrick
Mark Zuckerberg
Bob Dylan


Considering our small population size, is it safe to say that Jews have contributed more to the benefit of humanity than any other group of people?

Let's not forget Jesus!

[fos]

you're right. i don't think any group can touch WASPs in terms of screwing up the world. they and the WASC's, of course.

Well after all of the middle east attack Israel and start WWIII we'll be even :lol

PS: You know the Jews were responsible in large part for the atomic bomb right? LMAO

[Deuce Bigalow]

What is Ha Nosri?

[Nick Young]

i wouldn't say "benefit" so much as "advancement."

2% of the population producing such a huge proportion of the world's most brilliant people has to have a very interesting story behind it. maybe something along the lines of being persecuted for so long pushes a people to overcompensate...
God's chosen people. We were always persecuted for our success, jealousy from the less successful majority leading to resentment and hatred.


One theory I read on Jewish success? Jews have always valued intelligence over physical strength like most other races. It was the smartest scholars, not the strongest warriors who were always most revered among the jews so the intelligence continues to get passed on genetically. Which is why today Jews are the smartest ethnic group IQ wise.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Let's not forget Jesus!
Yeshua is Jesus, but I dont get the Ha Nosri part

[Nick Young]

Anyways, Jews certainly stand out accomplishment wise for their population, but let's not act like they can touch white anglo saxon protestants.
LAWL Anglo Saxon protestants have nothing on Jews.

Chinese are comparable IMO

[RaininThrees]

Yeshua is Jesus, but I dont get the Ha Nosri part

I have no idea how I missed that.

[fos]

LAWL Anglo Saxon protestants have nothing on Jews.

Chinese are comparable IMO

PFFFT. The English have contributed more to humanity than any other group. Sure, the French and Germans have contributed a lot but they have nothing on the English. And while there are notable Jews from all three countries, the overwhelming majority of their historically great people were not Jews. Not trying to diminish Jewish achievement but let's not act like they're all that and a bag of chips.

[Nick Young]

I don't think either of those movies are that great. Jurassic Park was successful because of its amazing special effects that still look good today. Nobody says "OMG Jurassic Park's story was so great!" Jaws was retarded. Great White Shark goes around eating surfers (with theme music for when it attacks) and then some people kill it. Did William Shakespeare write it?

FYI Shakespeare wasn't a Jew (neither were many of the English who have contributed much more than Jews have yet don't have their own thread).
You know this for sure?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lev-raphael/was-shakespeare-jewish_b_662765.html

Was Shakespeare Jewish?

Spielberg should be more recognized for Schindler's List, top 10 film of all time.

And ET, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, his huge box office earners.

Ha Nasri means The Prince.

[NastyCrossover1]

Jews are successful people who endured alot

but...

The zionist jews can go fcuk themselves.. Creating an illegal state in Israel then ****ing over the arabs, no wonder why every muslim majority country hates them. I hate to say this but the problem in the middle east begins with them..

Just shut up or learn history before you talk.

[Nevaeh]

God's chosen people. We were always persecuted for our success, jealousy from the less successful majority leading to resentment and hatred.


One theory I read on Jewish success? Jews have always valued intelligence over physical strength like most other races. It was the smartest scholars, not the strongest warriors who were always most revered among the jews so the intelligence continues to get passed on genetically. Which is why today Jews are the smartest ethnic group IQ wise.

Wow, a Jew who worships a Brotha. Now ain't that something.......:pimp:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=251788

[fos]

You know this for sure?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lev-raphael/was-shakespeare-jewish_b_662765.html


Spielberg should be more recognized for Schindler's List, top 10 film of all time.

And ET, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, his huge box office earners.

Ha Nasri means The Prince.

Shakespeare was a Catholic.

[D-Wade316]

Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Persians >>>>

[knickballer]

Just shut up or learn history before you talk.


So your telling me what happened in Israel is perfectly fine? I mean the modern day Israel only had a jewish population of around 7% and the rest being arab but the west had guilt after they allowed the Jews to get slaughtered so they(mostly Britian) allowed Jewish settlement in Israel..

[Deuce Bigalow]

Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Persians >>>>
Where are the Filipinos rated?

[Nick Young]

Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Persians >>>>
Freud, Marx, Einstein, one can argue that these are the three biggest minds who shaped the entire 20th century.

All Jews.

[Nick Young]

So your telling me what happened in Israel is perfectly fine? I mean the modern day Israel only had a jewish population of around 7% and the rest being arab but the west had guilt after they allowed the Jews to get slaughtered so they(mostly Britian) allowed Jewish settlement in Israel..
Stop trying to change the subject, sport. This thread isn't about Israel and zionism.

[D-Wade316]

Freud, Marx, Einstein, one can argue that these are the three biggest minds who shaped the entire 20th century.

All Jews.
In terms of individuals, the Jews have the greatest. I agree with that. But in terms of overall contribution/accomplishment, then the civilizations I mentioned are definitely over the Jews. :D

[D-Wade316]

Where are the Filipinos rated?
So?

[RidonKs]

more to add

spinoza
maimonides
hannah arendt
jon stewart
the rothschilds
buncha famous russian authors
houdini



pretty goddamn successful, that's for sure. the other theory to add is the progressive dynamic of jewish study through the talmud, alongside much more of a rejection of the miraculous than any other religion. pragmatic wisdom has always been the mainstay of jewish tradition. the commandments are what they are, but for a rabbi, circumstance is everything, and only by examining the details can proper advice -- wisdom -- be provided. they say the torah is more a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules afterall. lol

[fos]

Freud, Marx, Einstein, one can argue that these are the three biggest minds who shaped the entire 20th century.

All Jews.

Freud's theories are speculative bullshit that have no scientific merit whatsoever. Marx is an interesting character who has had a huge impact on the social sciences more than anything but you sort of have to take Friedrich Engels (not a Jew) into the equation and the fact that his idea of revolution and the end of capitalism hasn't (and will not) happen. Can't say nothing bad about Einstein, he was brilliant (even if he did knock his first cousin up).

:cheers:

[knickballer]

more to add

spinoza
maimonides
hannah arendt
jon stewart
the rothschilds
buncha famous russian authors
houdini



pretty goddamn successful, that's for sure. the other theory to add is the progressive dynamic of jewish study through the talmud, alongside much more of a rejection of the miraculous than any other religion. pragmatic wisdom has always been the mainstay of jewish tradition. the commandments are what they are, but for a rabbi, circumstance is everything, and only by examining the details can proper advice -- wisdom -- be provided. they say the torah is more a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules afterall. lol

Also add the treacherous Alan Greenspan to your list

[RidonKs]

Freud's theories are speculative bullshit that have no scientific merit whatsoever.
freud's theories contain speculative bullshit with no scientific merit whatsoever. alongside giant bulks of marvelously brave insight that nobody had ever made before. his reputation overshadows his ideas by an enormous margin, and it's a shame. the way the majority of the world views him is similar to the way american mainstream media portrays marx.

[RidonKs]

Also add the treacherous Alan Greenspan to your list
i'd... rather not

[Nick Young]

Freud's theories are speculative bullshit that have no scientific merit whatsoever. Marx is an interesting character who has had a huge impact on the social sciences more than anything but you sort of have to take Friedrich Engels (not a Jew) into the equation and the fact that his idea of revolution and the end of capitalism hasn't (and will not) happen. Can't say nothing bad about Einstein, he was brilliant (even if he did knock his first cousin up).

:cheers:
Some of his ideas are, others are still in use in modern pschology today.

He also was the father of psychology.

Not all of Freud is speculative bullshit. I've only read some of his books, not all, some ideas are outdated and obviously theory or bullshit but not all of it. No one who knows abit about Freud would dismiss him as purely speculative bullshit. And the impact he had on the shaping of the 20th century is vast, even if many ideas were later proven wrong.

[Big_Dogg]

Which is why today Jews are the smartest ethnic group IQ wise.

If you include Hasidic Jews in this assessment, you're dreaming, they know nothing of the world other than what is written in the scriptures, if you call that having high IQ, you need your IQ checked.

Including them would make your IQ wise comment a load of bollocks.

[RidonKs]

If you include Hasidic Jews in this assessment, you're dreaming, they know nothing of the world other than what is written in the scriptures, if you call that having high IQ, you need your IQ checked.

Including them would make your IQ wise comment a load of bollocks.
they make up, like, a tenth of the total jewish population

[Nick Young]

If you include Hasidic Jews in this assessment, you're dreaming, they know nothing of the world other than what is written in the scriptures, if you call that having high IQ, you need your IQ checked.

Including them would make your IQ wise comment a load of bollocks.
Lawl do you know anything about the Talmud?
Talmudic logic is the most complicated type of thought in the world and simply studying and understanding it is a vast intellectual accomplishment all itself even if you have nothing new to add to a Talmudic discussion.

[Big_Dogg]

they make up, like, a tenth of the total jewish population


In the US or worldwide?

Regardless, they would drop the so called high IQ race figures.

[Nick Young]

In the US or worldwide?

Regardless, they would drop the so called high IQ race figures.
nope, they study talmud and the zohar, all incredibly difficult texts, despite their secularity.

[NastyCrossover1]

Jesus was a Jew. Nuf sed .

[fos]

The idea of the Jew sort of confuses me... seems like the term incorporates both religion and "race". There are 13.2 million "Jews" in the world and there is a lot of "Caucasian" admixture not to mention the idea of "biological race" is nonsense to begin with, there is more variation seen within groups than between them. If you look at "Jews" from a genetic perspective (the kind and amount of alleles), you see they're basically "Arabs" with a different religion. I suggest you should include Muslims in this thread :lol

[Nick Young]

The idea of the Jew sort of confuses me... seems like the term incorporates both religion and "race". There are 13.2 million "Jews" in the world and there is a lot of "Caucasian" admixture not to mention the idea of "biological race" is nonsense to begin with, there is more variation seen within groups than between them. If you look at "Jews" from a genetic perspective (the kind and amount of alleles), you see they're basically "Arabs" with a different religion. I suggest you should include Muslims in this thread :lol
considering you arent jewish unless your mother was, it is a blood line. Doesn't matter what you want to call it.

Muslims clearly aren't jewish, they are a seperate religion, with a ton of converts from different races and ethnicities from all over the world, from white, to black to malaysian to arab. In Judaism there is a very very low percentage of converts because the conversion process takes like 3 years of study and even after going through with it many STILL don't consider you a true Jew if your mom wasnt Jewish.

[RidonKs]

In the US or worldwide?

Regardless, they would drop the so called high IQ race figures.
the world, just a stat i plucked off the net so don't give it too much stock, but it unlikely to be far off from reality



Talmudic logic is the most complicated type of thought in the world
lol sure

[fos]

considering you arent jewish unless your mother was, it is a blood line. Doesn't matter what you want to call it.

Muslims clearly aren't jewish, they are a seperate religion, with a ton of converts from different races and ethnicities from all over the world, from white, to black to malaysian to arab. In Judaism there is a very very low percentage of converts because the conversion process takes like 3 years of study and even after going through with it many STILL don't consider you a true Jew if your mom wasnt Jewish.

I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.

[fos]

Darwin, Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Boyle, Pascal, and Newton aren't Jews :cheers:

[RidonKs]

I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.
this is silly. clearly cultural history that has endured for thousands of years into our current modern world easily takes precedence over a common lineage also thousands of years old.

[Nick Young]

I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.
hmm genetically though not really because again, for Jews the greatest intellects passed on their genes and got to procreate with the highest quality females, the smartest rabbis and scholars were consired the alphas and most desireable mates, for arabs it was the biggest and strongest physically.

Genetically they are not the same, though they look the same on the surface.


Today's Ashkenazi Jews have a high average mathematical and verbal IQ and an unusual cognitive profile compared to other ethnic groups, including Sephardic and Oriental Jews.
From roughly 800 to 1650 CE, Ashkenazi Jews in Europe were a mostly isolated genetic group. When Ashkenazi Jews married non-Jews, they usually left the Jewish community; few non-Jews married into the Jewish community.
During the same period, laws barred Ashkenazi Jews from working most jobs, including farming and crafts, and forced them into finance, management, and international trade. Wealthy Jews had several more children per family than poor Jews. So, genes for cognitive traits such as verbal and mathematical talent, which make a person successful in the few fields where Jews could work, were favored; genes for irrelevant traits, such as spatio-visual abilities, were supported by less selective pressure than in the general population.
Today's Ashkenazi Jews suffer from a number of congenital diseases and mutations at higher rates than most other ethnic groups; these include Tay-Sachs, Gaucher's disease, Bloom's syndrome, and Fanconi anemia, and mutations at BRCA1 and BRCA2. These mutations' effects cluster in only a few metabolic pathways, suggesting that they arise from selective pressure rather than genetic drift. One cluster of these diseases affects sphingolipid storage, a secondary effect of which is increased growth of axons and dendrites. At least one of the diseases in this cluster, torsion dystonia, has been found anecdotally to correlate with exceptionally high IQ. Another cluster disrupts DNA repair, an extremely dangerous sort of mutation which is lethal in homozygotes. The authors speculate that these mutations give a cognitive benefit to heterozygotes by reducing inhibitions to neural growth, a benefit that would not outweigh its high costs except in an environment where it was strongly rewarded.
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Other suggested evolutionary accounts include: a long cultural history encouraging scholarship and learning;[4] a contribution of talent in the study of Torah to social success in Jewish communities;[5] the enforcement of a religious norm requiring Jewish fathers to educate their sons, whose high cost caused voluntary conversions, explaining a large part of a reduction in the size of the Jewish population;[6] that historic persecution of European Jews fell disproportionately on people of lower intelligence.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

[fos]

this is silly. clearly cultural history that has endured for thousands of years into our current modern world easily takes precedence over a common lineage also thousands of years old.

I guess so but all Asians look alike to me :lol

[RidonKs]

I guess so but all Asians look alike to me :lol
all asians are the same :confusedshrug:

[fos]

hmm genetically though not really because again, for Jews the greatest intellects passed on their genes and got to procreate with the highest quality females, the smartest rabbis and scholars were consired the alphas and most desireable mates, for arabs it was the biggest and strongest physically.

Genetically they are not the same, though they look the same on the surface.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

The Tay Sachs thing is interesting. It seems like the social history of Ashkenazi Jews (clustered in heavy urban areas) selected for Tay Sachs because heterozygotes were protected against tuberculosis.

Anyone not familiar with Tay Sachs should check it out, basically you give birth to a seemingly healthy baby only to watch it go deaf, blind, and stupid and typically die before age four. It's very sad. Since awareness of the disease as a "Jewish disease" screening is available that targets Jews and I believe now most new cases are non-Jews.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Certainly an accomplished grouping however I will forever praise the Arabic and Indian regions for their mathematical contributions to the world. I'm certain someone would have figured it out eventually but the head start that they got by the Indians discovering the use of "true" zero and the Arabic numbers cannot be over looked.

[fos]

Certainly an accomplished grouping however I will forever praise the Arabic and Indian regions for their mathematical contributions to the world. I'm certain someone would have figured it out eventually but the head start that they got by the Indians discovering the use of "true" zero and the Arabic numbers cannot be over looked.

Yeah threads like this are doomed for failure "My racial/religious/ethnic group is better than your racial/religious/ethnic group"!

We're all related, all of us have the same original ancestor. All religions basically are the same in that they're "rational" explanations to what man doesn't yet or can't understand.

Anyways, Bill Murray is worth at least 5 Einsteins IMO.

[Hazard]

Lawl do you know anything about the Talmud?
Talmudic logic is the most complicated type of thought in the world and simply studying and understanding it is a vast intellectual accomplishment all itself even if you have nothing new to add to a Talmudic discussion.
How does it differ from regular logic? Do they just take a dump over logic with a bunch of religious nonsense and accept it as fact? Pure logic is universal.

[Hazard]

Yeah threads like this are doomed for failure "My racial/religious/ethnic group is better than your racial/religious/ethnic group"!

We're all related, all of us have the same original ancestor. All religions basically are the same in that they're "rational" explanations to what man doesn't yet or can't understand.

Anyways, Bill Murray is worth at least 5 Einsteins IMO.
I agree with that, you have to respect every cultures contribution to society. Also people need to realize that just because you're a part of a certain ethnic group doesn't mean that you can sit on your ass and bask in other peoples accomplishments as if they were your own.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Yep, they are pound for pound the most accomplished demographic point blank period but I thought this was common knowledge.

What's interesting to see is if you enter an antrhopology class you'll note that the Ashkenazi Jews are far more susceptible to 25+ diseases that most other "races" are immune to, and contrastly they've made an outstanding impression on human culture.

In matters of finance and many fields of intellect, Jews reign supreme. Even Donks and Nick Young have some big frickin IQ's.

They got to step up their literature game though. The Brits and the Ruskies (EDIT WTF r dostoy, nabo, and trostky jews?) are owning that department. Oh and although Israel has a great military, you're gonna need more alpha soldiers my friends. Shalom.

Signed, your dearest enemy,
A Muslim

[skan72]

I agree with that, you have to respect every cultures contribution to society. Also people need to realize that just because you're a part of a certain ethnic group doesn't mean that you can sit on your ass and bask in other peoples accomplishments as if they were your own.

Best comment of the whole thread.

But you can take pride in them.

EDIT: we're all forgetting David Stern... wait, I think we left him out for basketball reasons.

[Hazard]

Yep, they are pound for pound the most accomplished demographic point blank period but I thought this was common knowledge.

What's interesting to see is if you enter an antrhopology class you'll note that the Ashkenazi Jews are far more susceptible to 25+ diseases that most other "races" are immune to, and contrastly they've made an outstanding impression on human culture.

In matters of finance and many fields of intellect, Jews reign supreme. Even Donks and Nick Young have some big frickin IQ's.

They got to step up their literature game though. The Brits and the Ruskies (EDIT WTF r dostoy, nabo, and trostky jews?) are owning that department. Oh and although Israel has a great military, you're gonna need more alpha soldiers my friends. Shalom.

Signed, your dearest enemy,
A Muslim
Ever hear of the six day war?

[fos]

Ever hear of the six day war?

That's the one where the Jews ****ed up and let the Moslem's keep the Dome of the Rock? IDIOTS!

[Hazard]

That's the one where the Jews ****ed up and let the Moslem's keep the Dome of the Rock? IDIOTS!
No it was the one where they ****ed up the entire UAR in 6 days.

[RidonKs]

Ruskies (EDIT WTF r dostoy, nabo, and trostky jews?)
huh, i thought tolstoy and nabokov were but i guess not. dostoevsky definitely wasn't. trotsky was but not with any significance. ah well

[fos]

No it was the one where they ****ed up the entire UAR in 6 days.

Yeah but they could have taken the Temple Mount back but instead let the Palestinians keep the Dome of the Rock. Imagine all of the possible archaeological/biblical treasures they could have found under it? I'm not religious but aren't the Jews suppose to build a new Temple on that site and usher in the end of days?

[Hazard]

Yeah but they could have taken the Temple Mount back but instead let the Palestinians keep the Dome of the Rock. Imagine all of the possible archaeological/biblical treasures they could have found under it? I'm not religious but aren't the Jews suppose to build a new Temple on that site and usher in the end of days?
I don't know, don't really care tbh. All that violence over silly bullshit just reminds me that we all came from monkeys, and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[BEAST Griffin]

Ethnic Germans have the highest average IQ in the world.

:confusedshrug:

[PullupJay]

Shalom Alechem all my fellow jews...

Op you are correct..

jews are also the funniest... aside from being the smartest,richest,best looking (ok not really)and successful..

in Secular jewish homes education is highly looked upon and emphasized...

And yes gemara other known as talmud does in fact sharpen your mind...the torah is so deep and is filled with unlimited amount of knowledge. It enforces different methods and tactics of thinking such as logical thinking,Critical thinking,Creative thinking,Convergent thinking,Divergent thinking,and Inductive thinking.

Studying Torah(or any spiritual book IMO) also keeps your spirits high,gives you peace of mind,a special energy that cant be explained,etc...all the good stuff....so you avoid drugs,watching movies, and any other mediums of entertainment that distract you from self reflection and filling up that emptiness we all feel inside from time to time

sorry for the run on sentences i kinda rushed this

[Nick Young]

Also add the treacherous Alan Greenspan to your list
lawl, your anti-semetic feelings are strong and obvious

[Nick Young]

How does it differ from regular logic? Do they just take a dump over logic with a bunch of religious nonsense and accept it as fact? Pure logic is universal.
ACTUALLY fool, educate yourself
[QUOTE]Originally, Jewish scholarship was oral. Rabbis expounded and debated the law (the written law expressed in the Hebrew Bible) and discussed the Tanakh without the benefit of written works (other than the Biblical books themselves), though some may have made private notes (megillot setarim), for example of court decisions. This situation changed drastically, however, mainly as the result of the destruction of the Jewish commonwealth and the Second Temple in the year 70 CE and the consequent upheaval of Jewish social and legal norms. As the Rabbis were required to face a new reality

[Jasi]

Still no mention of composers, conductors and musicians?
I never read any official data, but I have a feeling that the % of Jews in the elite level in the music field is insane.

Just off the top of my head

Rubinstein
Ashkenazy
Horowitz
Perahia
Schiff
Mendelssohn
Mahler
Schoenberg
Gershwin
Bernstein
Solti
Schnittke
Glass
Reich
Mintz
Stern
Barenboim

[Nick Young]

Still no mention of composers, conductors and musicians?
I never read any official data, but I have a feeling that the % of Jews in the elite level in the music field is insane.

Just off the top of my head

Rubinstein
Ashkenazy
Horowitz
Perahia
Schiff
Mendelssohn
Mahler
Schoenberg
Gershwin
Bernstein
Solti
Schnittke
Glass
Reich
Mintz
Stern
Barenboim
not to mention actors and comedians.

I left out entertainers and artists besides filmmakers because I knew most people would just dismiss them ("So what that guy was in a few decent movies, how does it benefit humanity?")

[OmniStrife]

And FARMAR!! :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kNIOKAS]

...just when needy... negs gone

[Nick Young]

And FARMAR!! :bowdown: :bowdown:
And Casspi


^^^
Why would you neg me for this? You really that anti-semetic KNICKOAS?

[kNIOKAS]

I'm anti racistic. Or anti ethnicitic, is there term for anti ethnitism. It has nothing to do with anti semitic though. It's just that starting such elitist topics is what brought the most infamous anti semitic act to happen.

World Peace.

[sundizz]

There are 3.22 Million Indians in America. 38% of Doctors in America are Indians. 12% of Scientists in America are Indians. 36% of NASA employees are Indians. 34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians 28% of IBM employees are Indians 17% of INTEL employees are Indians 13% of XEROX employees are Indians

[miller-time]

There are 3.22 Million Indians in America. 38% of Doctors in America are Indians. 12% of Scientists in America are Indians. 36% of NASA employees are Indians. 34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians 28% of IBM employees are Indians 17% of INTEL employees are Indians 13% of XEROX employees are Indians

are they born in america or are they the best and brightest exported to america from india?

[Nick Young]

There are 3.22 Million Indians in America. 38% of Doctors in America are Indians. 12% of Scientists in America are Indians. 36% of NASA employees are Indians. 34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians 28% of IBM employees are Indians 17% of INTEL employees are Indians 13% of XEROX employees are Indians
Yeh Indians are great too. The difference to me though is first of all they have a 7th of the worlds population. Next of all, many of them achieve these great things because they are pushed and pressured so much by their parents and family. Their parents just want them to have as much success as possible and have the highest status job in normal society.

Jews on the other hand have loads of doctors and lawyers in the world but aren't pressured and pushed as much as their families compared to Asians. It's just not Jewish culture to do that. ALSO Jews have many game changers in terms of human advancement, Freud, Marx, Einstein etc etc. Indians have alot of greats as well, Ghandi, Siddhartha Guatama, don't get me wrong.

But again they have a 7th of the world's entire population.

Also being a microsoft or IBM employee isn't anything to gloat about, most of those guys, while accomplished of course, only got their jobs because they cost much less to employ then workers of other nationalities.

[fos]

Yeh Indians are great too. The difference to me though is first of all they have a 7th of the worlds population. Next of all, many of them achieve these great things because they are pushed and pressured so much by their parents and family. Their parents just want them to have as much success as possible and have the highest status job in normal society.

Jews on the other hand have loads of doctors and lawyers in the world but aren't pressured and pushed as much as their families compared to Asians. It's just not Jewish culture to do that. ALSO Jews have many game changers in terms of human advancement, Freud, Marx, Einstein etc etc. Indians have alot of greats as well, Ghandi, Siddhartha Guatama, don't get me wrong.

But again they have a 7th of the world's entire population.

Also being a microsoft or IBM employee isn't anything to gloat about, most of those guys, while accomplished of course, only got their jobs because they cost much less to employ then workers of other nationalities.

And Jews aren't pushed and pressured by their family? :rolleyes:
BTW, Asians have the highest IQ per category... If you're going to take just the smartest tribe of Jews you'd have to take the smartest subgroup of east Asians as well :no:

[LJJ]

There are 3.22 Million Indians in America. 38% of Doctors in America are Indians. 12% of Scientists in America are Indians. 36% of NASA employees are Indians. 34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians 28% of IBM employees are Indians 17% of INTEL employees are Indians 13% of XEROX employees are Indians

Lol, the Indians cant even take care of their own. You ever been to Calcutta? It's like the worst shithole you can imagine.

[RRR3]

God's chosen people. We were always persecuted for our success, jealousy from the less successful majority leading to resentment and hatred.


One theory I read on Jewish success? Jews have always valued intelligence over physical strength like most other races. It was the smartest scholars, not the strongest warriors who were always most revered among the jews so the intelligence continues to get passed on genetically. Which is why today Jews are the smartest ethnic group IQ wise.
No group of people are inherently smarter than any other group. Stop talking out of your ass. And this is coming from a Jew.

[Nick Young]

No group of people are inherently smarter than any other group. Stop talking out of your ass. And this is coming from a Jew.
IQ testing says differently sport. You're the one talking out of your ass when you make blatantly false claims such as the one quoted.

[RRR3]

IQ testing says differently sport. You're the one talking out of your ass when you make blatantly false claims such as the one quoted.
IQ=/=intelligence. It's a test, and some people naturally don't do well on tests. One of my mom's best friends is a professor and didn't do well on an IQ test even though she's smart (and jewish fwiw). You have to think about the environments people are raised in anyways.

[Hazard]

ACTUALLY fool, educate yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#Present_day
It is basically the oral tradition written down, and rabbis discussing their interpretations of the laws. Generations of rabbis and scholars sometimes thousands of years apart write responses to eachother, sometimes rabbis interpret laws, often times contradicting and completely disagreeing with eachother, however no argument is considered wrong.
It basically teaches to look at every single side of an issue. It is pretty much the most complicated law book ever written, but it is also not just a law book but one of the greatest works of philosophy and explains why Jews have such a strong tradition in the field of law.

EDUCATE YOURSELF
So basically I was right. This is not even remotely close to actual logic. Not saying it doesn't require a lot of mental capacity to know this shit, but in no way does this move humanity forward and in no way is this at all scientific.

IQ=/=intelligence. It's a test, and some people naturally don't do well on tests. One of my mom's best friends is a professor and didn't do well on an IQ test even though she's smart (and jewish fwiw). You have to think about the environments people are raised in anyways.
Agree with this, high IQ don't mean shit. The same way people think they're smart cause they do well in school.

[kNIOKAS]

IQ testing says differently sport. You're the one talking out of your ass when you make blatantly false claims such as the one quoted.
They do not say differently, champ.

IQ tests measure the audience they were created for. It's called norms, and they're specific for the specific population. And you need all the different norms for all the different populations. And then adapt tests accordingly...

[BEAST Griffin]

No group of people are inherently smarter than any other group. Stop talking out of your ass. And this is coming from a Jew.

The average person in Germany has an IQ of 106. If you substract the Turkish descent population the average IQ jumps to 112.

:oldlol:

/troll

It's no surprise ashkenazi Jews are smart. They've got a lot of German in them.

[knickballer]

The average person in Germany has an IQ of 106. If you substract the Turkish descent population the average IQ jumps to 112.

:oldlol:

/troll

It's no surprise ashkenazi Jews are smart. They've got a lot of German in them.


:oldlol: :oldlol:
Is it wrong that I cracked up after reading that?


Germans are the alpha race.. They are strong, tough, smart, intellect, athletic and will kick the shit out of you if you piss them off. Although the modern ones can be a bit passive. After two world wars where their country was devastated they built from scratch. Today Germany is the only european country that can stand on it's feet.

Not to mention they are loaded with inventors, musicians, artists, writers, etc..

[Big_Dogg]

:oldlol: :oldlol:
Is it wrong that I cracked up after reading that?


Germans are the alpha race.. They are strong, tough, smart, intellect, athletic and will kick the shit out of you if you piss them off. Although the modern ones can be a bit passive. After two world wars where their country was devastated they built from scratch. Today Germany is the only european country that can stand on it's feet.

Not to mention they are loaded with inventors, musicians, artists, writers, etc..

But only one of them can play basketball in the NBA :lol

[joe]

I agree that Marx has been influential, but to include him on a list of "greatest" accomplishments? What has the implementation of his ideas accomplished, exactly, besides the starvation of millions of people? Bread lines and totalitarianism don't seem very "great" to me.

I guess he's done a great job of inspiring Americans to feel guilty about their riches.

[RidonKs]

I agree that Marx has been influential, but to include him on a list of "greatest" accomplishments? What has the implementation of his ideas accomplished, exactly, besides the starvation of millions of people? Bread lines and totalitarianism don't seem very "great" to me.

I guess he's done a great job of inspiring Americans to feel guilty about their riches.
you have no idea what you're talking about

Marx meant waaaaaaay more to the world than the way Lenin and Mao and the rest supposedly 'carried his torch'

his grandest economic views, the popularized stepping stones past feudalism and capitalism towards a socialist utopia, were probably his least influential... or at least less influential than other modes of thought. it was his conceptualization of the 'cog in the machine' mentality that was infecting underclasses throughout the world in the midst of the industrial revolution that really made his mark on the world. labour unions, regardless of how you feel towards them and how you feel they initially arose, would not have made their gains without the global socialist banner uniting under Marxist and neomarxist modes of thought. bringing people together to associate and demand an improvement in their most abysmal of conditions. these are not unspectacular changes in social organization.

he was also one of the first to recognize the overall importance of economic matters in politics... at the end of the day, your average joe doesn't really care about the difference between the labour party and the conservative party and the freedom party and the rent is too damn high party... they care about how politics will affect them. it was a realization that politics needn't occupy itself so much with idealistic fantasies, abstractions and theories that only the wealthy and prosperous even have the time to think about let alone the desire, that instead the focus should be far more utilitarian.

the implementation of his ideas is everywhere. literally.

lol @ reducing marx to 20th century 'communism'... they were perversions of marxist thought if anything. failed experiments at best, radical do-good authoritarianism more likely, outright power grab tyranny at worst

[Joshumitsu]

Amare has Jewish roots.


http://katchop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/amare-jewish-copy.jpg

[joe]

you have no idea what you're talking about

Marx meant waaaaaaay more to the world than the way Lenin and Mao and the rest supposedly 'carried his torch'

his grandest economic views, the popularized stepping stones past feudalism and capitalism towards a socialist utopia, were probably his least influential... or at least less influential than other modes of thought. it was his conceptualization of the 'cog in the machine' mentality that was infecting underclasses throughout the world in the midst of the industrial revolution that really made his mark on the world. labour unions, regardless of how you feel towards them and how you feel they initially arose, would not have made their gains without the global socialist banner uniting under Marxist and neomarxist modes of thought. bringing people together to associate and demand an improvement in their most abysmal of conditions. these are not unspectacular changes in social organization.

he was also one of the first to recognize the overall importance of economic matters in politics... at the end of the day, your average joe doesn't really care about the difference between the labour party and the conservative party and the freedom party and the rent is too damn high party... they care about how politics will affect them. it was a realization that politics needn't occupy itself so much with idealistic fantasies, abstractions and theories that only the wealthy and prosperous even have the time to think about let alone the desire, that instead the focus should be far more utilitarian.

the implementation of his ideas is everywhere. literally.

lol @ reducing marx to 20th century 'communism'... they were perversions of marxist thought if anything. failed experiments at best, radical do-good authoritarianism more likely, outright power grab tyranny at worst

Marxists always say that existing socialist regimes are "perversions" of his ideas. Or that they "didn't do it right." Not saying you're a marxist, but you can't just brush off that aspect of his legacy.

You really think labor unions and the like are the more influential part of his legacy? Not the millions of dead people, or people who went starving, or any of that?

And I don't think he was the first to recognize the importance of economics in politics. lol. But I guess you were just using a bit of hyperbole and I see what you mean.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The average person in Germany has an IQ of 106. If you substract the Turkish descent population the average IQ jumps to 112.

:oldlol:

/troll

It's no surprise ashkenazi Jews are smart. They've got a lot of German in them.
:eek:

[RidonKs]

Marxists always say that existing socialist regimes are "perversions" of his ideas. Or that they "didn't do it right." Not saying you're a marxist, but you can't just brush off that aspect of his legacy.
they are perversions. when Lenin formed his vanguard party to usher in the revolution of communism and maintain stability... that was a perversion of marxist thought.

this conversation isn't going to go anywhere though. you asked, literally, "what else, besides death and destruction, did Marx leave behind?". i told you. now you ask, "yeah, but was that really as important as the death and destruction?".

maybe not. then again, i don't judge jesus christ by the fact that killing has been done in his name either. he was a fantastic dude from what i understand, real charismatic, preached peace and love and junk. nice guy overall. same thing with marx. he was one helluva a f*cking scholar and contributed to social democracy and workers rights as much as anybody. i hold those things in high regard the same way he did. if he wouldn't have approved of murderous coups and power grabbing and "socialism in one country" like Stalin preached with his death camps.... why should i incorporate that in judging him?

but i know, i know, 'legacy'. if you ignore the bad stuff, you're just playing selective games and not really analyzing the facts. i know where you're coming from. but if we start judging the ideas only, as well as all the weird f*cked up strains of good and bad that have branched off of them over the course of hundreds of years that have led to everything from feeding starving babies to murdering healthy ones... well, that's just going to go nowhere. so i'm not really interested.

i'll judge marx based on one criteria; marx. the way he lived his life, the ideas he formulated, and perhaps most importantly, the intent of those ideas. they were brilliant and in the best interest of humanity.



And I don't think he was the first to recognize the importance of economics in politics. lol. But I guess you were just using a bit of hyperbole and I see what you mean.

you're probably right, that part of my post was definitely layden with more bullshit than any other. i sorta just came up with that myself and it seemed right... but it probably isn't. nevertheless, i'm gonna go ahead and say it's at least... 10% true.

[Horde of Temujin]

Well.. they did create the a-bomb.

[joe]

they are perversions. when Lenin formed his vanguard party to usher in the revolution of communism and maintain stability... that was a perversion of marxist thought.

this conversation isn't going to go anywhere though. you asked, literally, "what else, besides death and destruction, did Marx leave behind?". i told you. now you ask, "yeah, but was that really as important as the death and destruction?".

maybe not. then again, i don't judge jesus christ by the fact that killing has been done in his name either. he was a fantastic dude from what i understand, real charismatic, preached peace and love and junk. nice guy overall. same thing with marx. he was one helluva a f*cking scholar and contributed to social democracy and workers rights as much as anybody. i hold those things in high regard the same way he did. if he wouldn't have approved of murderous coups and power grabbing and "socialism in onecountry" like Stalin preached with his death camps.... why should i incorporate that in judging him?

but i know, i know, 'legacy'. if you ignore the bad stuff, you're just playing selective games and not really analyzing the facts. i know where you're coming from. but if we start judging the ideas only, as well as all the weird f*cked up strains of good and bad that have branched off of them over the course of hundreds of years that have led to everything from feeding starving babies to murdering healthy ones... well, that's just going to go nowhere. so i'm not really interested.

i'll judge marx based on one criteria; marx. the way he lived his life, the ideas he formulated, and perhaps most importantly, the intent of those ideas. they were brilliant and in the best interest of humanity.


you're probably right, that part of my post was definitely layden with more bullshit than any other. i sorta just came up with that myself and it seemed right... but it probably isn't. nevertheless, i'm gonna go ahead and say it's at least... 10% true.

I won't stand here and say Marx didn't have any positive contributions, even if they're things I disagree with. I've been reading about Marx lately and I'll look more into his influence on labor unions.

I'm also sure he had great intentions. But wait, wasn't it Marx himself who said the road to hell was paved with good intentions? ha. Maybe I'm wrong about that, not sure.

Socialist regimes have been perversions of what Marx intended, but I think the problem is... ideas like that will always be perverted. Because his ideas assume people are too stupid to watch their own backs, and they need someone else to do it for them. That "someone else" will take that power and **** you in the ass with it, 10 times out of 10.

The guy who invents a faulty car has good intentions. But if 2,000 people die driving his car, don't you judge him for it?

And hey, there's not one person in the world who has completely abstained from hyperbole. So don't sweat it :D

[RidonKs]

I'm also sure he had great intentions. But wait, wasn't it Marx himself who said the road to hell was paved with good intentions? ha. Maybe I'm wrong about that, not sure.
lol, i... don't think so. sounds more like a milton quote. but i'm only saying that because he liked to talk about heaven and stuff.



Socialist regimes have been perversions of what Marx intended, but I think the problem is... ideas like that will always be perverted. Because his ideas assume people are too stupid to watch their own backs, and they need someone else to do it for them. That "someone else" will take that power and **** you in the ass with it, 10 times out of 10.
i don't think you've read much Marx. i think you're literally equating Marxism, all the strains of his thought over decades of thinking and writing, with words like 'welfare state' and 'dependence' and junk. it's just not that simple. sorry. your conception of what he thought is a product of what you think, which let me tell you, is tremendously flawed -- primarily psychologically speaking in the opinion of yours truly, which hell, i guess shouldn't count for much. i'm just another dude.

regardless, if you're going to look into some Marx, my recommendation is to check out his writing on worker alienation, which from what i recall is much more sociology than political science or theory or economics. but beware, it will boggle your mind or bore your socks off or both. he writes in ridiculously technical and convoluted language where comprehending even a single sentence can be a total pain in the ass.

regardless, check it with an open mind and try to absolve yourself of your preconceived notions, difficult though that may be. i've noticed more and more how often i read to confirm my own way of thought, even subconsciously... i am, and actually try to be, as open minded an intellectual as i possibly can. but in the midst of swallowing new ideas, all you can do is compare it to what you already know and what you already think. and the stuff you remember from the new work you check out will almost always be what confirmed your prior notions as opposed to what contradicted them... no matter how much you wanted to convince yourself otherwise. the mind is a confusing territory. lol

[heyhey]

Marxists always say that existing socialist regimes are "perversions" of his ideas. Or that they "didn't do it right." Not saying you're a marxist, but you can't just brush off that aspect of his legacy.

You really think labor unions and the like are the more influential part of his legacy? Not the millions of dead people, or people who went starving, or any of that?

And I don't think he was the first to recognize the importance of economics in politics. lol. But I guess you were just using a bit of hyperbole and I see what you mean.

Marx's contribution to the study of philosophy has nothing to do with "bread lines" or whatever "marxists" did in his name.

Marx's systematic critique of social philosophers goes far beyond espousing communism. In fact Marx wrote very sparsely about what communist societies should look like. His critical take on the epistemic study of human history proposed a new entire narrative to the study of history. through his conception of dialectic materialism, he derived that economy was the foundation for social change. but it's the lens with which he dissected history that is perhaps the culmination of centuries of political philosophy itself.

Marx is without a doubt one of 19th century greatest philosophers in fact I would say that Marx's really the bridge between Hegel and Nietzsche

[RidonKs]

Marx is without a doubt one of 20th century greatest philosophers
err... i've got some doubt

[joe]

^^ Ridonks, I'm sending you a private message as to not take over this thread with our convo..

[joe]

Marx's contribution to the study of philosophy has nothing to do with "bread lines" or whatever "marxists" did in his name.

Marx's systematic critique of social philosophers goes far beyond espousing communism. In fact Marx wrote very sparsely about what communist societies should look like. His critical take on the epistemic study of human history proposed a new entire narrative to the study of history. through his conception of dialectic materialism, he derived that economy was the foundation for social change. but it's the lens with which he dissected history that is perhaps the culmination of centuries of political philosophy itself.

Marx is without a doubt one of 19th century greatest philosophers in fact I would say that Marx's really the bridge between Hegel and Nietzsche

Explain to me how what Marxist's "did in his name," is any different from what he would have wanted? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious.

I'm not talking about the murders and stuff. Obviously he didn't want that. But just the base level SET UP of the socialist systems we've seen. The fundamentals of the way they are put together. What are the differences?

Ridonks, you too

[RidonKs]

Explain to me how what Marxist's "did in his name," is any different from what he would have wanted? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious.
Marx disapproved of the very idea of revolutionary leaders in his theoretical work. it was literally all or nothing. communism could not be forced upon masses that didn't want it. they had to rise up collectively, as in the literal 99%, seize the modes of production, and then tralalalala something would happen and all would be well. but from the getgo, as soon as 'party elites' were established to harness the folks and get 'em good and riled up, as soon as the red army was created to do the military leg work, actually f*ck it as soon as Lenin adopted Leninism... Marxism was sorta dropped from the occasion. Lenin was a violent revolutionary who put practise above theory. very different dudes.

in the end, his work is so theoretical that your question is difficult to answer even if i knew a lot more about marx, and while i know a little, i don't feel well versed enough to give you a well grounded answer. but from my understanding, he didn't exactly lay out the precise process by which groups of people in different countries would collectivize and eventually live communally by revolting against the onslaught of privately owned everything and shit. he just didn't write about that... probably because it's impossible to write about. the ideas that he's most famous for are cloudy, vague, dreamlike. he wasn't Nostradamus, not even close. maybe there was more than a little wishful thinking in his supposed prophecies. but again, now i'm just bullshitting. maybe heyhey can give you a more satisfactory answer, but honestly i doubt it... the question isn't very answerable.

sorry but that's the truth. you need to revise your conception of what Marx really thought before you start pondering questions to ask of people who disagree with you.

[lefthook00]

Jews, India, China are all up there.

[brantonli]

Freud, Marx, Einstein, one can argue that these are the three biggest minds who shaped the entire 20th century.

All Jews.

Let's not forget we did have 19 centuries before that lol (and a few more BC). Although 20th is where mankind advanced the furthest.