About Ray Allen shooting form

[CeltsGarlic]

Im Nr.1 Ray Allen fan and his shooting form is FAR from textbook. Actually its wrong in many ways. His hand is not straight to the basket, his fingers is on side of the ball etc.. But it doesnt matter cause he's getting ball through the rim. Ask any bball coach and he will tell you that. The best one right now in NBA is Manu's form.

/end rant.

[pauk]

Manu Ginobili is moving his elbow to far away from shoulders.... he is also holding the ball with his off hand kindof wrong

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/693/877/108370570_display_image.jpg

elbow is supposed to be looking like a straight line when looking from infront, going straight up from the shoulder and off hand is just supposed to hold the ball... its supposed to look like this:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0106/nba_g_snash1_300.jpg


It isnt so ironic that Steve Nash is THAT accurate of a shooter...

[roffie]

steve nash has GOAT form

[CeltsGarlic]

This one looked better {manu} (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8pgJZJ9Tg)

Yeah, I have to agree. Steve form looks brilliant in that pic.

[FireDavidKahn]

Manu Ginobili is moving his elbow to far away from shoulders.... he is also holding the ball with his off hand kindof wrong

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/693/877/108370570_display_image.jpg

elbow is supposed to be looking like a straight line when looking from infront, going straight up from the shoulder and off hand is just supposed to hold the ball... its supposed to look like this:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0106/nba_g_snash1_300.jpg


It isnt so ironic that Steve Nash is THAT accurate of a shooter...
This. Nash literally has textbook form. If I had to nag about one thing though it would be that his elbow on his shooting arm isn't high enough but that is just trying to find something to btich about.

[chauzer]

if ray allen's jumper isn't "textbook form", then i dont want to shoot "textbook form".

prettiest looking jump shot ever.

[NastyCrossover1]

kOBE HAS THE BEST FORM FOR A SUPERSTAR, IMO

[silenc]

jerry west has the best textbook shooting form.

[roffie]

kOBE HAS THE BEST FORM FOR A SUPERSTAR, IMO

i agree, kobe's jumpshot really gets me wet and his fade aways. oh. my. god.:banana:

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[Go Getter]

Mark Price has GOAT form
http://www.authenticsportscollectibles.com/store/images/pricemarkcavs8aw.jpg

[HurricaneKid]

OMFG. Ray Allen has bad form? ARE YOU FOR REAL???

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/403405-the-genius-of-a-ray-allen-jump-shot-from-hero-to-zero

[Jotaro Durant]

hate him but kobe has to be one of the best forms

[FireDavidKahn]

OMFG. Ray Allen has bad form? ARE YOU FOR REAL???
I hate posts like this. We are talking about form, not how effective Ray Allen is as a shooter.

http://miamitropicslive.com/images/newspics/47b3529e2e5f21rayray.jpg

If we want to talk textbook form, then Allen's elbow shouldn't be slightly flared out from his body. That doesn't make him any less of a shooter.

[CeltsGarlic]

OMFG. Ray Allen has bad form? ARE YOU FOR REAL???

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/403405-the-genius-of-a-ray-allen-jump-shot-from-hero-to-zero

forrealest. No follow through, elbows wide, fingers on side of ball, still looks sweet, and if wide open-swish.

[HurricaneKid]

As a shooter it hurts me that people can't simply see the inherent superiority of RayRay's shot over Kobe's. The fewer moving parts, the shorter the motion, the more consistent the motion the better the shot. Period. Kobe is able to writhe and make some insanely difficult shots. But if you are talking about making X/100 he is LIGHTYEARS away from Allen.

Allen's motion is more compact, consistent, and identical every time. Kobe is the antithesis of this.

[roffie]

As a shooter it hurts me that people can't simply see the inherent superiority of RayRay's shot over Kobe's. The fewer moving parts, the shorter the motion, the more consistent the motion the better the shot. Period. Kobe is able to writhe and make some insanely difficult shots. But if you are talking about making X/100 he is LIGHTYEARS away from Allen.

Allen's motion is more compact, consistent, and identical every time. Kobe is the antithesis of this.

i'm not saying kobe's form is better than allens, i'm just saying it looks 'cooler' >>> allens

[HurricaneKid]

I hate posts like this. We are talking about form, not how effective Ray Allen is as a shooter.

http://miamitropicslive.com/images/newspics/47b3529e2e5f21rayray.jpg

If we want to talk textbook form, then Allen's elbow shouldn't be slightly flared out from his body. That doesn't make him any less of a shooter.

I have taught shooting clinics. His form is tremendous. If you want people to sit on your right hand by all means shoot square to your shoulder; its how we teach basic shooting.

Besides, thats not the shot. Thats the release. Look at the link I posted and the photo. The ball never gets down to his waist. Kobe almost always dips WELL BELOW his.

[FireDavidKahn]

I have taught shooting clinics. His form is tremendous. If you want people to sit on your right hand by all means shoot square to your shoulder; its how we teach basic shooting.

Besides, thats not the shot. Thats the release. Look at the link I posted and the photo. The ball never gets down to his waist. Kobe almost always dips WELL BELOW his.
Hey I'm not trying to Ray Allen doesn't have great technique, because he does, I'm just trying to say that in the context of GOAT form I think Nash > Allen.

[The_LA_Blakers]

When you're the GOAT 3pt shooter, it doesn't matter what anyone says about form.


http://takingbacksports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ray-allen-reggie-miller.jpg

[inclinerator]

man who made that sht up about textbook shooting form anyways

[kurple]

I like Tebow's

but really how can anyone critsize Ray's shooting form?

isnt the most important thing that it goes in?

[Crown&Coke]

one thing that sticks out to me, he uses a lot of arm and not a lot of legs in his shooting motion.

if you watch his free throws, he barely bends his knees, and on his jumper its the same thing

I was always taught a text book jumper, the thrust needed to generate the jump shot was from your legs, not your arms.

but it could be his lower body is so strong he doesn't need to bend down a whole lot to generate as much thrust as a typical non-NBA player. He is a physical specimen for sure.

It could be because his stroke is lightening quick, and its an adaptation he has that allows him to get that jumper off so quick. because a typical jumper, from catch to release, cannot be that fast done text book, unless he's a cyborg or something

[ManlyStanley69]

one thing that sticks out to me, he uses a lot of arm and not a lot of legs in his shooting motion.

if you watch his free throws, he barely bends his knees, and on his jumper its the same thing

I was always taught a text book jumper, the thrust needed to generate the jump shot was from your legs, not your arms.

but it could be his lower body is so strong he doesn't need to bend down a whole lot to generate as much thrust as a typical non-NBA player. He is a physical specimen for sure.

It could be because his stroke is lightening quick, and its an adaptation he has that allows him to get that jumper off so quick. because a typical jumper, from catch to release, cannot be that fast done text book, unless he's a cyborg or something

walter ray allen doesn't need to bend his knees because of the manliness of his calves...he has some of the greatest calves of all time..they are more beautiful than his jumpshot and his smile.

[skan72]

Fun fact: Steve Nash spent his entire grade 11 year re-making his shot, because he wasn't allowed to play in any regular season games.

Also, more and more coaches are not as worried about elbow alignment anymore as they are about many other things - feet and body squared up, wide hand to better get control over the ball, snapping the follow through, etc. But obviously, the MOST important thing is getting in the fkn gym and putting up game speed and game type shots. That's what makes a shooter

[scm5]

I don't think it matters how "Textbook" you shoot the ball as long as it's consistent, has a good arc, and has as few motions as possible through the shot.

Nash has a textbook shot, but his shot also won't let him pull up over anyone he wants.

Kobe's shot is pretty, not textbook, and definitely not consistent considering half of his shots are fadeaways. He's got a "scorer's shot" where he can pull up over anyone or alter it midair and still be relatively accurate. He's not going to be as consistent as any pure shooters.

Ray Allen's shot is just impressive because he's got great elevation and consistency. It's pretty as well and it's straight up and down most of the time. He doesn't fade because most of the time he's coming off screens and because of his elevation and consistency, he's accurate.

[FireDavidKahn]

I like Tebow's

but really how can anyone critsize Ray's shooting form?

isnt the most important thing that it goes in?
Yes, but you're missing the entire point of the thread.

[kurple]

Yes, but you're missing the entire point of the thread.
i get the point of the tread.. but who cares what his shooting form is like if he's the leading 3pt shooter of all time in the NBA

he could shoot it between the legs for all i care

if others have a better form, why dont they lead the NBA?

[Crown&Coke]

walter ray allen doesn't need to bend his knees because of the manliness of his calves...he has some of the greatest calves of all time..they are more beautiful than his jumpshot and his smile.

I mostly agree Stanley, his calves can break open walnuts with one flex

[jstern]

:wtf: Reggie Miller had the best form. I suggest young kids should emulate it.

I'm just kidding.

[NastyCrossover1]

http://www.authenticsportscollectibles.com/store/images/pricemarkcavs8aw.jpg
that's mad sexy

[Burgz]

http://basketball.stack.com/skills/shooting/ray-allens-textbook-shooting-form/

anyone who questions ray allen's form should read this

if anyone knows who Dave Hopla is then you probably already know this

ray's form is exceptional, anyone who doubts that is just misinformed

Hopla has worked with and is endorsed with many NBA players including Kobe, Ray, Arena, Steve Nash and more

[Pointguard]

As a shooter it hurts me that people can't simply see the inherent superiority of RayRay's shot over Kobe's. The fewer moving parts, the shorter the motion, the more consistent the motion the better the shot. Period. Kobe is able to writhe and make some insanely difficult shots. But if you are talking about making X/100 he is LIGHTYEARS away from Allen.

Allen's motion is more compact, consistent, and identical every time. Kobe is the antithesis of this.
This. Allen doesn't do the elbow alignment but compensates with incredible consistent form and shoulder alignment. The economy of his shot and release are sweet yet in perfect mechanical formation. Ray's ankles are usually paired equally with the hoop - I don't think its intentional but is evidence of equisit symetrical form throughout the body. I think Reggie Miller had several quirks but due to repitition, their subconscious mind has made up for it.

As far as the elbows flaring its not that big of deal. For most people, the tight elbow tends to blind the right eye, which tends to make the balance hand more active.

[SlayerEnraged]

Shooting form doesn't matter. As long as you practice it lots and it's sustainable in games, it's all good.

[Hammertime]

http://www.utball.com/photos/hornacek/hornacek16.jpg

[GOBB]

http://www.utball.com/photos/hornacek/hornacek16.jpg

So Suns owned us for Barkley, then Jazz owned us for Hornacek. :facepalm

[Hammertime]

So Suns owned us for Barkley, then Jazz owned us for Hornacek. :facepalm

Hey, the Jazz gave you Malone in return.

["Jesus"]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqr0fzVUAW1qcmnsoo1_250.gif

Although I stand firm that he does not have the perfect form of a textbook jumpshot, that's pretty incredible. :bowdown:

[Jyap9675]

kids should not emulate ray allen's shot.. only reason why it's efficient is because he has mastered the way he shoots through thousands of repetition and because of how he is built i.e. strong upper body and does not rely much on his legs. He only uses his legs to lift himself up and then use his upper body to shoot ball, which is very strength draining to do for an average ball player.

Another thing I dont like about allen's shot is that it looks flat, and by the looks of it he also uses his left hand to shoot the ball opposed to only using it as a guide hand. But the best thing about allen is that he could pull up anywhere without requiring too much space, which is one of the advantages of having a "two point shooting form".

If I was to emulate a shooting form it will be steph curry, dont require as much strength as ray allen's but the disadvantage is that you need more space to get your shot off.