What makes Jason Kidd so highly regarded as a PG?

[ChrisKreager]

This is not a disrespect question, but a pure 'I'm interested in knowing what makes him so respected' question.

Jason Kidd's name is always mentioned with the great PG's since the merger and his game/resume always intrigued me.

He wasn't putting up absurd numbers like Magic Johnson, wasn't a passing fancy like Steve Nash, or a guy who had purely ridiculous numbers like John Stockton or Gary Payton.

But he was known for his unselfishness, alley-oop ability, three-point savvy, ability to make others better (remember how dangerous a dunker he made Kenyon Martin?), and make the best out of what's not exactly a team of All-Stars or yonug guns.

Of the great, highly-regarded PG's since the 1976 merger, he is among the few that have a ring (Isiah, Magic, Payton) while others don't.

To me, Kidd is the most fascinating and intriguing point guard I've seen since he came aboard in the mid-90s.

What makes him, in the eyes of some, what he is- respected and revered?

[PTB Fan]

All-around game (those triple doubles), the great passing (he's done a lot even with weak offensive talent in slow pace), the leadership, effectiveness, making his team mates better and impact he's had all put him in a class with the best ever.

[Heavincent]

What makes him, in the eyes of some, what he is- respected and revered?


But he was known for his unselfishness, alley-oop ability, three-point savvy, ability to make others better (remember how dangerous a dunker he made Kenyon Martin?), and make the best out of what's not exactly a team of All-Stars or yonug guns.

And there you go.

And I'd like to add that he is one of the best fast break players of all time.

[ZenMaster]

Versatility and defense.

He's got 105 tripple doubles, 3rd all time, more than Jordan and Lebron combined.

[Teanett]

And there you go.

And I'd like to add that he is one of the best fast break players of all time.
plus, his d is pretty fuuken great.

[Qwyjibo]

Because the only knock on his game was his shooting. Now that's still a big hole to have in your game especially as a guard but when you do everything else very well to extremely well, you can still be considered a great player.

[selrahc]

But he was known for his unselfishness, alley-oop ability, three-point savvy, ability to make others better (remember how dangerous a dunker he made Kenyon Martin?), and make the best out of what's not exactly a team of All-Stars or yonug guns.

Jason Kidd was a TERRIBLE three point shooter. He had no shooting ability whatsoever. However, he was very good in almost every other facet of the game (i.e. rebounding, passing, defense, etc.). Think of a Rondo with bigger size and higher basketball IQ.

[I.R.Beast]

Because the only knock on his game was his shooting. Now that's still a big hole to have in your game especially as a guard but when you do everything else very well to extremely well, you can still be considered a great player.


his passing, defense, leadership,.... also nash is not a better passer than prime Kidd. Kidd did not over dribble as excessively as nash does to find guys.

[rodman91]

One of his forgetten skill is how fast he could change his direction when ball on his hands. He wasn't crossover master but that and his ability to change his pace made him get away from elite defenders. Kinda like Jordan's.

This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvZmbEfl0g

By the way, he was also fancy passer.

[Lebron23]

his passing, defense, leadership,.... also nash is not a better passer than prime Kidd. Kidd did not over dribble as excessively as nash does to find guys.

Nash is a better playoffs performer than Kidd. Kidd is a good passer, but he was a very inefficient scorer. The 2002 and 2003 Nets wouldn't even be a top 4 teams in the 2006-2010 Western Conference.

Nash's Suns would beat Kidd's Nets in less than 6 games.

[PP34Deuce]

I remember 2002 NBA ECF against the Nets. PP was toasting EVERYone throughout. Abused every defender they put on him. Byron Scott puts Kerry Kittles on him...PP too strong...Put Athletic RJ on him...Too dumb, not long enough... Put Jason Kidd on him and PP was having fits...couldnt post Kidd up easy without Kidd poking the ball out, and couldn't drive on Kidd without a screen.

To this day Kidd still gives PP fits. Kidd is who I pray Rondo can turn up like. People always think I'm off with comparing them, but they are very similar playing wise.

[Bernie Nips]

Jason Kidd was a TERRIBLE three point shooter. He had no shooting ability whatsoever. However, he was very good in almost every other facet of the game (i.e. rebounding, passing, defense, etc.). Think of a Rondo with bigger size and higher basketball IQ.

Uhhhh...

He has the 3rd most 3 pointers made all time behind Ray and Reggie.

His percentage wasn't amazingly high, but you can't discredit him when he's hit over 1,800 for his career.

[PP34Deuce]

Nash is a better playoffs performer than Kidd. Kidd is a good passer, but he was a very inefficient scorer. The 2002 and 2003 Nets wouldn't even be a top 4 teams in the 2006-2010 Western Conference.

Nash's Suns would beat Kidd's Nets in less than 6 games.


Those NJ Net teams were missing a swingmen who could create and legit decent post big.

Kerry Kittles was essentially RIP Hamilton before RIP(streaky) but could run the break great and shoot pull up 3.
RJ was great athlete and rebounder who had no jumper or post moves. He was essentially poor mans Marion
Kenyon Martin was a freak athlete but did not have his jumper developed nor post moves

[LockoutOver11]

Nash is a better playoffs performer than Kidd. Kidd is a good passer, but he was a very inefficient scorer. The 2002 and 2003 Nets wouldn't even be a top 4 teams in the 2006-2010 Western Conference.

Nash's Suns would beat Kidd's Nets in less than 6 games.

Kidd has gotten to three finals where a Nash lead Suns didn't.. I ****ing hate these two always getting brought up like they are on par. Ones a legend... the other is a good ass pg that talent wise could never be your franchise player and expect to win championships... ugh. But what can you expect from someone on lebrons dick who started watching basketball prolly in 2000.

[LockoutOver11]

He wasn't putting up absurd numbers like Magic Johnson, wasn't a passing fancy like Steve Nash, or a guy who had purely ridiculous numbers like John Stockton or Gary Payton.



Kidd's number are some of the most absurd since Magic... he was a walking triple double...

Passing fancy? lol... not that this matters but Kidd has thrown some of the most beautiful passes in basketball... especially at a higher speed. Kidds best passes come in the fastbreak...

John Stockton never had ridiculous numbers... and Payton was a scorer and alot of what he did when he played didn't really come up in the stat sheet.

[get these NETS]

in the modern era(post Magic's retirement)......Kidd and Rodman are the only players I can think of who can have zero points and dominate a game.

[Xiao Yao You]

His percentage wasn't amazingly high, but you can't discredit him when he's hit over 1,800 for his career.

Sure you can. Why was he taking so many?


Kidd is who I pray Rondo can turn up like. People always think I'm off with comparing them, but they are very similar playing wise.

The difference is Rondo knows he can't shoot and doesn't


John Stockton never had ridiculous numbers

Take another look. Other than shot attempts, rebounds and blocks his numbers are about as ridiculous as it gets.

[bizil]

Kidd at his best was a walking triple double who performed the premium duties of a PG as good as damn near anybody. That premium asset in running the team and droppin those dimes. So the fact he was a walking triple double AND ran the team like a great PG should puts him in rarified air. Only Magic, Big O, and Kidd are PG's of that nature.

But u also have to throw in his great longevity being a great PG. And his defensive ability as well. At 6'4 and 210-215 pounds, he could defend PG, SG, and SF's. Once again the only great PG's like that are a Clyde Frazier, DJ, or a Payton. So all of these things encompassed him to lead that Nets team to two straight NBA Finals. Take Kidd off that team and I feel they are struggling to make the playoffs. Their wasn't another great player on those teams. It was just J Kidd. And he was one of the most exciting players ever at PG in his prime. So all of these things have him as an icon and a top5-6 GOAT PG of all time.

[lefthook00]

-Triple double machine

-One of the best post defenders of all time for a PG

-One of the best fast break players of all time

-Only player in NBA history with 15,000 points, 10,000 assists, and 7,000 rebounds

-2nd all time in assists

-Back to back finals

-NBA champion

-2x Olympic gold medalist

-Most games played among active players

[BuffaloBill]

He has the 3rd most 3 pointers made all time behind Ray and Reggie.



It's amazing how someone who was considered a terrible 3 point shooter for most of their career is 3rd all time in made threes (now 5th)

Like Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash are 14th and 15th. That's pretty mindblowing.

[HurricaneKid]

Jason Kidd was a TERRIBLE three point shooter. He had no shooting ability whatsoever. However, he was very good in almost every other facet of the game (i.e. rebounding, passing, defense, etc.). Think of a Rondo with bigger size and higher basketball IQ.

Jason Kidd is #5 in the history of the NBA in made 3s. And at 35% shot a respectable % over the course of his career.

And THAT was his weakness.

[imdaman99]

Kidd did what the team needed him to do to win. If his team needed 30 points from him (rarely), he put up 30. If the team needed him to have 15 assists, he did it. If the team needed him to run every opportunity, he was great at that. If the team needed great defense from him on an opposing SG, he did it. You get my point. Even his weakness which was shooting, he was pretty damn clutch and hit plenty of big shots. To top it off, he was almost always the smartest player on the court.

The only thing I'd change about him are his off-court decisions (beat his wife?, drunk driving, ditching the Nets high and dry after 1 year of coaching).

[andgar923]

Been a big Kidd fan since his college days at Cal.

It's weird because he's not athletic, yet he can start a fast break out of nowhere with his deceptively quick first step. I've seen him start half court mini fast breaks on set defense which is crazy.

He wasn't flashy per se (although he could be at times) but he always had a knack at finding people and making great no look passes. Was great at controlling the game's tempo.

He was a strong player, just strong on the block and too strong for most PGs to keep in front.

Oh... I know...he was like a mini Lebron.

If Lebron was 6'4 he'd be Kidd.

[Braincells]

Nearly averaged a triple double a few seasons. That alone makes him special like Big O.

[RidonKs]

he played a lot like chris paul does so everybody disrespects him because he's not a winner even though he took the nets deep over a multiple year stretch. mostly he's just known for flash and occasionally rallying the troops for months of playing above their heads at a time.

[ralph_i_el]

He's one of the most versatile guards ever. Elite passing, defense, and rebounding for his position. Could guard 1-3. Genius ball mover, didn't monopolize the ball. That's why he was able to be such a huge bonus even when he was far far past his athletic prime. He was a huge piece on the Mavs team that won, and when he later played on the Knicks he turned them into a 3-point bombing, ball moving offensive juggernaut.

[DonDadda59]

Perfect example of a player whose impact and ability goes way beyond the stat sheet. Kidd was a bonafide basketball genius. Elite level passing/play-making, all world defense, great rebounding, weak jumper but could stroke it from deep. He had all the 'intangibles'- leadership, selflessness, etc.

He dominated games without having to score a single basket. Not many players Historically can make that claim.

[iamgine]

in the modern era(post Magic's retirement)......Kidd and Rodman are the only players I can think of who can have zero points and dominate a game.
Ben Wallace.

[Bandito]

Been a big Kidd fan since his college days at Cal.

It's weird because he's not athletic, yet he can start a fast break out of nowhere with his deceptively quick first step. I've seen him start half court mini fast breaks on set defense which is crazy.

He wasn't flashy per se (although he could be at times) but he always had a knack at finding people and making great no look passes. Was great at controlling the game's tempo.

He was a strong player, just strong on the block and too strong for most PGs to keep in front.

Oh... I know...he was like a mini Lebron.

If Lebron was 6'4 he'd be Kidd.
If Lebron was 6'4" he be Wade not Kidd.

[RidonKs]

starting a team in 1996, do you take kidd or kobe, knowing what we now now?

kidd or iverson?
kidd or westbrook?
kidd or mcgrady?
kidd or durant?
kidd or webber?
kidd or deuce wallaces?
kidd or pierce/walker?

i definitely take kidd

kg and td and shaq and lebron and dirk and a few others.. webber might be a stretch i dunno. but if he played with another superstar in his prime, instead of those early mavs or shitty suns or overrated nets, he would be rated on tier with isiah thomas right now no question.

but what about those domestic assault charges from way back when?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Cuz he was really, really good at basketball and the record books reflect that.

[bizil]

For starters, Kidd was as GREAT as it gets for a PG passing, defending, and rebounding his position. He's also in the Mt. Rushmore for triple doubles along with guys like Magic and the Big O. He had the defensive versatility to defend PG, SG, and many SF's at a great level as well.

Even though he wasn't a great scorer, he was still a very good scoring PG. If u are a student of hoops, u know how legendary J Kidd was. So a peak Kidd in a given season would average 17 points, 11 assists, and seven boards a game. And on top of it, provide lockdown defense. NO OTHER PG IN NBA HISTORY can make that same claim!! Magic and Big O didn't have the lockdown defense that J Kidd had.

[Donkey4trading]

he mad his teams better, made the players around him better and got the most out of his teammates

so basically the anti Chris Paul

[FKAri]

starting a team in 1996, do you take kidd or kobe, knowing what we now now?

kidd or iverson?
kidd or westbrook?
kidd or mcgrady?
kidd or durant?
kidd or webber?
kidd or deuce wallaces?
kidd or pierce/walker?

i definitely take kidd

kg and td and shaq and lebron and dirk and a few others.. webber might be a stretch i dunno. but if he played with another superstar in his prime, instead of those early mavs or shitty suns or overrated nets, he would be rated on tier with isiah thomas right now no question.

but what about those domestic assault charges from way back when?

You're overrating Kidd. You take most of those guys over Kidd and IT > Kidd




Kidd has gotten to three finals where a Nash lead Suns didn't.. I ****ing hate these two always getting brought up like they are on par. Ones a legend... the other is a good ass pg that talent wise could never be your franchise player and expect to win championships... ugh. But what can you expect from someone on lebrons dick who started watching basketball prolly in 2000.

Not really. Kidd is not on some other tier from Nash. Kidd's Nets runs were in a garbage conference.

Lastly, you're not winning a ring with Kidd as your best guy in almost any circumstance. Same is true for Nash as well.

[Young X]

he mad his teams better, made the players around him better and got the most out of his teammates

so basically the anti Chris Paul^ Stupid

Look at the Clippers before he got there and after. He turned the worst franchise in NBA history into an elite team.

The Hornets' best season in franchise history was with CP3 too (2008).

Redick, Peja and D. Jordan all had their best shooting seasons playing with him. David West made his only all star appearances playing with him.

[Donkey4trading]

^ Stupid

Look at the Clippers before he got there and after. He turned the worst franchise in NBA history into an elite team.

The Hornets' best season in franchise history was with CP3 too (2008).

Redick, Peja and D. Jordan all had their best shooting seasons playing with him. David West made his only all star appearances playing with him.

yeah had nothing to do with the emergence of Blake Griffin, Deandre Jordan, Jamal Crawford being there, a championship coach etc etc..

he took a team that was on the rise to a 2nd round contender... :lol... :lol

The only thing Chris Paul led the Hornets to was the worst loss in NBA playoff history

If Kidd was playing with a prime BG, a prime DJ with a championship coach, the 6 MOTY, and a sharp shooter like JJ he would have made the finals every year..

Wake me up when Cp3rd round virgin takes his team further the 2nd in the playoffs

give Nash, Payton, Kidd, Stockton etc the teams Paul has had and they would have made the WCF pretty damn easily

and they wouldn't be choking away series every single year

[Pointguard]

He was the exact opposite of empty stats.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Hes a better team player than lesmall

[RidonKs]

yeah had nothing to do with the emergence of Blake Griffin, Deandre Jordan, Jamal Crawford being there, a championship coach etc etc..
crawford is the same guy with or without paul. creative scorer whose liabilities limit his minutes. griffin i think you could argue has been hindered playing with paul, but that's only because he's a spineless pansy who can't take the spotlight for himself. blake might be "the man" were he drafted by minnesota but with a whole lot of losses to his name.

jordan though was MADE by chris paul. that guy would not be worth half his minutes if he didn't play with a gifted passer at point guard. now granted there are a lot of those, but paul is the best, and time after time gets jordan points out of nowhere.

[RidonKs]

He was the exact opposite of empty stats.
his rebounding numbers were empti...er

[Donkey4trading]

crawford is the same guy with or without paul. creative scorer whose liabilities limit his minutes. griffin i think you could argue has been hindered playing with paul, but that's only because he's a spineless pansy who can't take the spotlight for himself. blake might be "the man" were he drafted by minnesota but with a whole lot of losses to his name.

jordan though was MADE by chris paul. that guy would not be worth half his minutes if he didn't play with a gifted passer at point guard. now granted there are a lot of those, but paul is the best, and time after time gets jordan points out of nowhere.

How exactly did Chris Paul make Deandre when Deandre is known for his defense and rebounding.. i'm pretty sure Deandre could go average 10ppg on any team in the league..

:roll: :roll:

and seriously is MVP candidate and top 5 player not good enough for Paul? He needs something better? are these excuses for real..

[tpols]

You're overrating Kidd. You take most of those guys over Kidd and IT > Kidd





Not really. Kidd is not on some other tier from Nash. Kidd's Nets runs were in a garbage conference.

Lastly, you're not winning a ring with Kidd as your best guy in almost any circumstance. Same is true for Nash as well.

you definitely could.. steph curry just won a ring as the best guy.. and kidd and nash were both > . All they would need is a deep balanced team stocked full of B-B+ players to compliment them and maybe a few lucky breaks.. Kidd was literally 2 games away from winning a title with very mediocre talent.

[CeilingFan#1]

you definitely could.. steph curry just won a ring as the best guy.. and kidd and nash were both > . All they would need is a deep balanced team stocked full of B-B+ players to compliment them and maybe a few lucky breaks.. Kidd was literally 2 games away from winning a title with very mediocre talent.

This is all everybody needs to know:

Kidd (2003) got further with a crap cast against David Robinson and prime Duncan than LeBron (2007) did with a crap cast against starting to decline Duncan without David Robinson.

[Young X]

:rant^ Another terrible post.

You said CP3 doesn't make his teams better.

I posted examples of how he has made his teams better that can all be backed up by facts.

You don't help elevate entire franchises from irrelevancy and have multiple teammates thriving alongside of you if you don't help your teams you fool.

And Kidd didn't do any better than CP3 when he played in the western conference. He only got to the finals when he went to the east and got to face sub 50 win teams every round. None of those teams were as good as the Thunder, Spurs or Warriors.

Am I supposed to believe the Clippers wouldn't beat the mighty 44 win Baron Davis/Jamal Mashburn Hornets?

[FKAri]

you definitely could.. steph curry just won a ring as the best guy.. and kidd and nash were both > . All they would need is a deep balanced team stocked full of B-B+ players to compliment them and maybe a few lucky breaks.. Kidd was literally 2 games away from winning a title with very mediocre talent.

1) Stephen Curry's scoring ability puts him ahead of those guys when it comes to being "the guy"

2) GSW were a more stacked team than what those guys had. Nash and Kidd never had that combo of DPOY candidates and firepower.

3) GSW had a very fortunate playoff run

[IGOTGAME]

Been a big Kidd fan since his college days at Cal.

It's weird because he's not athletic, yet he can start a fast break out of nowhere with his deceptively quick first step. I've seen him start half court mini fast breaks on set defense which is crazy.

He wasn't flashy per se (although he could be at times) but he always had a knack at finding people and making great no look passes. Was great at controlling the game's tempo.

He was a strong player, just strong on the block and too strong for most PGs to keep in front.

Oh... I know...he was like a mini Lebron.

If Lebron was 6'4 he'd be Kidd.

If you know what your looking for Kidd was a very flashy passer. Guy would be misdirecting you 3 or 4 times with his eyes, body and hands while making passes. He was a better passer than Nash and possibly Magic

[RidonKs]

How exactly did Chris Paul make Deandre when Deandre is known for his defense and rebounding.. i'm pretty sure Deandre could go average 10ppg on any team in the league..

:roll: :roll:

and seriously is MVP candidate and top 5 player not good enough for Paul? He needs something better? are these excuses for real..
because without a decent playmaker, you can't even justify having him on the floor. ESPECIALLY once you factor in the free throw shooting which may not hurt statistically, i'll leave that up to metrics, but definitely has a demoralizing effect. if deandre jordan were on the indiana pacers, he would almost be as useless as roy hibbert. meaning while he's on the floor, the offense would become dysfunctional. might not happen with andre miller, would probably happen with kyle lowry.

bottom line is chris paul isn't the only guy in the league who can make deandre jordan serviceable on offense, but he's one of the best at it. deandre would be the same defensive player if he played with exum, hayward, favours, burks or whatever, but he would probably get 20-25 mpg.

[Doranku]

Not really. Kidd is not on some other tier from Nash. Kidd's Nets runs were in a garbage conference.

Lastly, you're not winning a ring with Kidd as your best guy in almost any circumstance. Same is true for Nash as well.

It's actually unbelievable just how bad the Eastern Conference was back then. Here are the starting lineups of the top 4 seeds in 2002:

1 seed Nets
Jason Kidd
Keith Van Horn
Kerry Kittles
Kenyon Martin
Todd MacCulloch

2 seed Pistons
Jerry Stackhouse
Cliff Robinson
Michael Curry
Chucky Atkins
Ben Wallace

3 seed Celtics
Paul Pierce
Antoine Walker
Kenny Anderson
Eric Williams
Tony Battie

4 seed Hornets
Baron Davis
David Wesley
Elden Campbell
George Lynch
PJ Brown










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[Phenith]

He is the poster child for making the best out of what you have. He is in that "very fundamentally sound" player category, and his leadership skills are elite. Even as a coach, look what he has done with that Bucks team, I'm sure a little if not a LOT of their player development last year was heavily influenced/encouraged by Kidd.

The only way picking Kidd for your team would be a liability would be if you picked him as your #1 scoring option... otherwise he fits with whatever the team does.

[RidonKs]

tim duncan is probably the best comparison to kidd... in terms of game. i dunno i'm still unconvinced kidd can be a real leader. he's doing a fine job in milwaukee but i'm wondering about extenuating factors. he always seemed like a guy who just had that instinct in his bones, rather than a really smart strategist... more like magic than chris paul you know?

[warriorfan]

2) GSW were a more stacked team than what those guys had. Nash and Kidd never had that combo of DPOY candidates and firepower.


Klay Thompson and Draymond Green being Curry's best scoring teammates....

Thompson 2015 playoffs - 18.6 ppg

Draymond 2015 playoffs - 13.7 ppg



Thompson and Green....dat firepower.



:yaohappy:

[Round Mound]

Kidd Was Always One of My Fovorite Players To Watch In The Mid 90s. He Had One Of The Highest B-Ball IQs :applause:

[k0kakw0rld]

This is not a disrespect question, but a pure 'I'm interested in knowing what makes him so respected' question.

Jason Kidd's name is always mentioned with the great PG's since the merger and his game/resume always intrigued me.

He wasn't putting up absurd numbers like Magic Johnson, wasn't a passing fancy like Steve Nash, or a guy who had purely ridiculous numbers like John Stockton or Gary Payton.

But he was known for his unselfishness, alley-oop ability, three-point savvy, ability to make others better (remember how dangerous a dunker he made Kenyon Martin?), and make the best out of what's not exactly a team of All-Stars or yonug guns.

Of the great, highly-regarded PG's since the 1976 merger, he is among the few that have a ring (Isiah, Magic, Payton) while others don't.

To me, Kidd is the most fascinating and intriguing point guard I've seen since he came aboard in the mid-90s.

What makes him, in the eyes of some, what he is- respected and revered?
He is the greatest PG to ever play the game of basketball. The smartest and an all around player. A triple double threat. 3rd all time in 3s considering he had no jumper when started in the NBA. A true leader, professional on and off the court. He is the reason Dirk won his one and only ring :D

[Nets fan 93]

Kidd's number are some of the most absurd since Magic... he was a walking triple double...

Passing fancy? lol... not that this matters but Kidd has thrown some of the most beautiful passes in basketball... especially at a higher speed. Kidds best passes come in the fastbreak...

John Stockton never had ridiculous numbers... and Payton was a scorer and alot of what he did when he played didn't really come up in the stat sheet.
It sounds like the OP watched him mostly when he got to Dallas his second time.


Jason Kidd will always be remembered by me for his heart. Dude always gave it 100. When people say he made teammates better it's not a joke. A lot of players got PAID after playing with Kidd. His run and gun tempo and beautiful passing is something that should inspire every pg. he was an elite rebounder for his position and height too.

[iamgine]

He is the poster child for making the best out of what you have. He is in that "very fundamentally sound" player category, and his leadership skills are elite. Even as a coach, look what he has done with that Bucks team, I'm sure a little if not a LOT of their player development last year was heavily influenced/encouraged by Kidd.

The only way picking Kidd for your team would be a liability would be if you picked him as your #1 scoring option... otherwise he fits with whatever the team does.
What about the player to give max contract to.

Lets say you can only give 1 max contract. Would you give it to Kidd or someone like...Pierce/Mcgrady/VC?