Is LeBron Now Legitimately the Favorite for MVP?

[Kurosawa0]

I, like everyone else, have thought all season that LeBron didn't really have a chance at being MVP. I thought that LeBron might deserve it in the end, but that playing with Wade and the residual backlash from The Decision would keep him from it. Now, with almost half the season over with, does that logic still stand?

LeBron's playing arguably the best basketball of his career. If the award was based solely off individual performance, it would be LeBron's to lose. Averaging 30 points, 8 rebounds and 7 assists on 54% shooting is truly special.

The Wade argument at this point might just be in his favor. As great as Wade is, he hasn't been right all season. He's played only 19 games and is averaging just 22 points a game. That's not bad, but it's his worst since his rookie season. LeBron's clearly been the Heat's best player this year.

Kevin Durant seemed like the likely pick, but he doesn't seem to be catching fire in the narrative department. While his average of 27 points and 8 rebounds on 50% shooting is pretty remarkable, not many seem to be remarking on it. The dust up with Westbrook (if even media created) has seemed to leave everyone questioning Durant's position on the team.

Anyway, the point being, is there now a real chance that LeBron could end up winning the MVP award? Is he the legitimate front-runner or still on the outside looking in?

[DRose1899]

Its obviously 2 horse race between him n Durant now.

[PJR]

He already won.

[Lebron23]

Since January

[AngelEyes]

Its obviously 2 horse race between him n Durant now.

This. It'll be a two man race to the end of the season.

[DRose1899]

Who got the best record wins. that simple.

GTFO for bron winning MVP if he not got best record, he have no reason for not got that with this heat team. Same with Durant.

[Lord Leoshes]

He already won.
:cheers:

[AngelEyes]

Who got the best record wins. that simple.

GTFO for bron winning MVP if he not got best record, he have no reason for not got that with this heat team. Same with Durant.

He's playing the best basketball of anyone in the league and his team is 22-7. He's the frontrunner, followed by Durant.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If Lebron can get his 3rd MVP and somehow overcome his biggest hurdle (play well in the Finals), damn. I actually feel bad for his haters. You know they're gonna be hurting seeing dude leapfrog the all-time ranks.

[Kurosawa0]

Who got the best record wins. that simple.

GTFO for bron winning MVP if he not got best record, he have no reason for not got that with this heat team. Same with Durant.

Right now, Miami's winning percentage is .759. OKC's is .778. If OKC ends up with the best record by that slim of a margin, why should that matter at all?

[Kurosawa0]

If Lebron can get his 3rd MVP and somehow overcome his biggest hurdle (play well in the Finals), damn. I actually feel bad for his haters. You know they're gonna be hurting seeing dude leapfrog the all-time ranks.

I'd have to put him in the top 15 if he wins the MVP and a ring. I think you'd have to start looking at guys like Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Dr. J and wondering why they'd deserve to be above LeBron at that point.

[SpecialQue]

No matter how great he plays, I have a hard time believing he'll ever get it again as long as he's on the Heat with Wade and Bosh. How often does the best player in the league actually win this award? Isn't it more like feel good stories more than anything else?

In fact, I'm just going to go ahead and make the bold prediction that Lebron is never going to win this award again. The temptation to give it to CP3 or Durant or someone else will be too strong.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'd have to put him in the top 15 if he wins the MVP and a ring. I think you'd have to start looking at guys like Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Dr. J and wondering why they'd deserve to be above LeBron at that point.

Absolutely... He would have accomplished just as much as those guys (the Malone's, Barkley's, Erving's, West's, etc.) I'd have him anywhere from 12-15 - of course all of that depends on how he plays in the Finals.

[Haymaker]

Depends on how far the Clippers go and how dominant CP3 looks in the playoffs. The NBA loves a good story, and CP3 is the perfect candidate. Lebron is playing out of his mind this year.

[SpecialQue]

By the way, before the douches start chiming in...I want to add that Lebron probably IS the best player in the game right now. I just don't think he'll win because the best player RARELY wins.

[Bob Cousy]

I can't award a player an MVP when he has a player on his team who's almost as good as he is lol.

[Kurosawa0]

By the way, before the douches start chiming in...I want to add that Lebron probably IS the best player in the game right now. I just don't think he'll win because the best player RARELY wins.

LeBron might not want to win the MVP. The last player to win the award and get a ring was Duncan in 03.


I can't award a player an MVP when he has a player on his team who's almost as good as he is lol.

So Magic never should've won any MVPs? Kareem was pretty good.

[StateOfMind12]

By the way, before the douches start chiming in...I want to add that Lebron probably IS the best player in the game right now. I just don't think he'll win because the best player RARELY wins.
Good point. The last time the MVP won the NBA championship was in '03 with Tim Duncan. The last and only MVP that has ever made the NBA Finals since '03 was Kobe Bryant in '08 though. I posted about that in my official 2011-2012 MVP thread.

LeBron can win as many MVPs as he likes but if he doesn't win any championship rings or Finals MVPs then nobody is going to care.

[Bob Cousy]

LeBron might not want to win the MVP. The last player to win the award and get a ring was Duncan in 03.



So Magic never should've won any MVPs? Kareem was pretty good.
Magic didn't collude to get on a team with Worthy and KAJ.

[Kurosawa0]

Magic didn't collude to get on a team with Worthy and KAJ.

And that should factor into the 2011-2012 MVP voting, why? I think that logic will eventually prevail, but it's just so ridiculous. It completely removes the actual game from the discussion.

[NastyCrossover1]

Not in my book, I got Rondo winning it.

[AngelEyes]

Not in my book, I got Rondo winning it.

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[iDefend5]

Depends on how far the Clippers go and how dominant CP3 looks in the playoffs. The NBA loves a good story, and CP3 is the perfect candidate. Lebron is playing out of his mind this year.
cp3 has been sucking **** recently, he ain't winning shit mother****er

[ThatsGame]

Cp3 doesn't deserve shit. He is way too inconsistent. Lebron is the MVP, and would be on any team he played on right now. He is playing in godmode right now.

[LakersReign]

This is not even debatable. Lebron gave up his chances for MVP the minute he decided to go play on the Heat with Bosh and Wade, so all you fake Heat fans can just rationalizing.:facepalm

[Simple Jack]

Magic didn't collude to get on a team with Worthy and KAJ.

Even if that were true, how is that relevant?

[Tenchi Ryu]

Sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you understand what the MVP award is. People keeping bringing up stats and the likes, but you have to remember exactly who is voting. Not everyone who is voting is well versed in reading stats like some of you, hell some only care about highlights.

The person who gets MVP is the person who LOOKS the best to the fans. That's how it is, and how its always been. So saying Lebron is averaging this and that might not translate to the fans who don't care about that stuff, only a L or W.

[chazzy]

Sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you understand what the MVP award is. People keeping bringing up stats and the likes, but you have to remember exactly who is voting. Not everyone who is voting is well versed in reading stats like some of you, hell some only care about highlights.

The person who gets MVP is the person who LOOKS the best to the fans. That's how it is, and how its always been. So saying Lebron is averaging this and that might not translate to the fans who don't care about that stuff, only a L or W.
Voters definitely look at numbers

[MichaelCheazley]

Sometimes I honestly wonder if some of you understand what the MVP award is. People keeping bringing up stats and the likes, but you have to remember exactly who is voting. Not everyone who is voting is well versed in reading stats like some of you, hell some only care about highlights.

The person who gets MVP is the person who LOOKS the best to the fans. That's how it is, and how its always been. So saying Lebron is averaging this and that might not translate to the fans who don't care about that stuff, only a L or W.
Its not casual fans voting for mvp. What the hell are you on. Strong wtf at who looks best? What does that even mean?

[FKAri]

This is not even debatable. Lebron gave up his chances for MVP the minute he decided to go play on the Heat with Bosh and Wade, so all you fake Heat fans can just rationalizing.:facepalm

He is the most valuable player in the league.

[LakersReign]

He is the most valuable player in the league.


That doesn't mean his name is engraved on the MVP trophy.:no:

[colorz]

cp3 has been sucking **** recently, he ain't winning shit mother****er

He's the main reason why the Clippers are third in the west

[DaHeezy]

Doesn't matter if he wins it or not, he's still the best player in the league. Just like when the Karl Malones were winning it in the Jordan era. The MVP is the player that exceeds expectations, not THE best player. I wouldn't be mad if Durant won it though.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Its not casual fans voting for mvp. What the hell are you on. Strong wtf at who looks best? What does that even mean?
Local Sport Broadcasters and analysis aren't exactly non biased either. And Some base it on the impact of the season. Lebron might be having a good year, but its not like its completely his at this point. And yes, the MEDIA DOES play a big picture in it. That's what I mean how the players look towards the fans. The voters KNOW who stays in the spotlight, that has a BIG part in who gets chosen as well. No matter how statistically well someone is doing, if they are never in the limelight, or doing something that shows them with a interesting scenerio of accomplishment....MVP ain't going to them.

[ThatsGame]

People trying to discredit Lebron :facepalm

[jbryan1984]

Durant.

[Dave3]

That doesn't mean his name is engraved on the MVP trophy.:no:
He seems to be number 1 in most of the NBA MVP races I've seen on NBA.com, ESPN, Yahoo, etc....

[CardiacKemba]

Agree with many people here. Rose was 'one of' the best last year, but Dwight and others arguably had more valuable seasons. The MVP always goes to the best story. If LeBron keeps up these numbers, then there's the story - some of the most ridiculously numbers the league has seen, even beside one of the other best players in the league. However impressive team records will help veer the trophy towards CP3's or Durants hands. If the Clippers grab the 2nd seed in the West, you couldn't really argue against him securing the MVP, even if LeBron puts up his numbers. I find it harder to give it to Durant personally though, given Westbrook has been having a near equal impact on the team as KD (I'm not saying Westbrook is as good as player, because Durant is obviously better, but Westbrooks value to the team this year has been huge).

[donald_trump]

Magic didn't collude to get on a team with Worthy and KAJ.

yes he did. he said he wouldnt leave college unless he gets to play with KAJ.

[LakersReign]

He seems to be number 1 in most of the NBA MVP races I've seen on NBA.com, ESPN, Yahoo, etc....

I say again, still doesn't mean his name is engraved on the MVP trophy. Funny how the 2 years he won, he got elimanted in the playoffs. And the one year he didn't win it, he made it to the Finals. But y'all just wanna keep trying to rationalize to put him in the Jordan conversation, cuz that's what all this is really about. Keep rationalizing:rolleyes:

[Dave3]

I say again, still doesn't mean his name is engraved on the MVP trophy. Funny how the 2 years he won, he got elimanted in the playoffs. And the one year he didn't win it, he made it to the Finals. But y'all just wanna keep trying to rationalize to put him in the Jordan conversation, cuz that's what all this is really about. Keep rationalizing:rolleyes:
Well, if the media outlets are ranking him number 1, it means there's a strong chance he'll win it no? No one is saying his name has been engraved for 2012 yet, only that it's looking that way...

[chairman]

People trying to discredit Lebron :facepalm
What is there to credit? He isn't even the most valuable player on his team:facepalm I swear these lebron homers are so blind

[LakersReign]

Well, if the media outlets are ranking him number 1, it means there's a strong chance he'll win it no? No one is saying his name has been engraved for 2012 yet, only that it's looking that way...


.....which means he'll get eliminasted in the playoffs again if he wins it. Just like the 2 previous times he won it and got sent home. Rose won it last year and lost in the playoffs as well:facepalm

[Lebron23]

I'd have to put him in the top 15 if he wins the MVP and a ring. I think you'd have to start looking at guys like Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Dr. J and wondering why they'd deserve to be above LeBron at that point.


Top 11 if he wins his first NBA MVP and 1st Finals MVP. LeBron is gonna kick some major @$$ in the playoffs.

[Lebron23]

What is there to credit? He isn't even the most valuable player on his team:facepalm I swear these lebron homers are so blind


You're either a dumb @$$, or a Blind Muddafacker. How much is a lasik surgery in the US? Maybe you need to go to the eye Doctor and check your eye sight.

[chairman]

Top 11 if he wins his first NBA MVP and 1st Finals MVP. LeBron is gonna kick some major @$$ in the playoffs.
Cause you said? Do you know Lebron personally?:roll: Lebron is a Ch:oke

[Lebron23]

Cause you said? Do you know Lebron personally?:roll: Lebron is a Ch:oke


He seems like a cool guy on twitter. I hope the Heat wins the NBA Championship this year. I love to see Coach Spo and the heat visits the Philippines this coming off season.

[chairman]

He seems like a cool guy on twitter. I hope the Heat wins the NBA Championship this year. I love to see Coach Spo and the heat visits the Philippines this coming off season.
Lebron used to be one of my favorite players...till he became mentally weak from all the hate he is getting. He doesn't have the mental ability to win a ring anymore. He was used and abused. He will need wade and bosh to carry him in the playoffs all this hate got to lebron mentally

[Lebron23]

Lebron used to be one of my favorite players...till he became mentally weak from all the hate he is getting. He doesn't have the mental ability to win a ring anymore. He was used and abused. He will need wade and bosh to carry him in the playoffs all this hate got to lebron mentally


Let's have some avatar bet. Heat would eliminate your Chicago Bulls in the playoffs with or without HCA.

1 month avatar bet.

[chairman]

Let's have some avatar bet. Heat would eliminate your Chicago Bulls in the playoffs with or without HCA.

1 month avatar bet.

I will gladly take that bet with you. No way possible Bulls lose to the heat. Wade will disappear like all bulls games and lebron won't be able to mentally handle the bulls anymore. Bulls 4-2. The last Bulls game was damn close without Deng to defend lebron. No way heat would've won that game with Deng and CJ in. Rip Hamilton will tear it up with Rose. And if the Bulls somehow get JR smith its a sure thing

[Lebron23]

I will gladly take that bet with you. What's HCA? No way possible Bulls lose to the heat. Wade will disappear like all bulls games and lebron won't be able to mentally handle the bulls anymore. Bulls 4-2. The last Bulls game was damn close without Deng to defend lebron. No way heat would've won that game with Deng and CJ in. Rip Hamilton will tear it up with Rose. And if the Bulls somehow get JR smith its a sure thing


HCA = Home court advantage

[LakersReign]

What is there to credit? He isn't even the most valuable player on his team:facepalm I swear these lebron homers are so blind

Pay no attention to that clown that's game. He was the same idiot in here last week talking bout how fans know more about basketball than NBA coaches/players/former players. The dude is clearly a moron:facepalm

[chairman]

HCA = Home court advantage
Lol I finally realized that after editing my post. So we got a deal? 1 month Avatar bet come playoff time?

[NumberSix]

This is not even debatable. Lebron gave up his chances for MVP the minute he decided to go play on the Heat with Bosh and Wade, so all you fake Heat fans can just rationalizing.:facepalm
It's true. The MVP vote has a "no Heat players" clause. Everybody knows that.

[Lebron23]

Lol I finally realized that after editing my post. So we got a deal? 1 month Avatar bet come playoff time?

Deal. Please ignore Lakersreign. He's the Simple Jack of Insidehoops.

[chairman]

Deal. Please ignore Lakersreign. He's the Simple Jack of Insidehoops.
:cheers: May the best team win

[Lebron23]

:cheers: May the best team win


:banana:

[artest 93]

Yup, right now it's either Durant or LeBron. It shouldn't be anyone else if they both finish with top 2-3 record in the NBA.

I think LeBron also has a chance at the scoring title if he stays consistent with his shot attempts. At 54%, I think 20 shots a game is fair.

I really like Durant's scoring, though. I always bet on the Thunder if they are playing a team that is not the Heat or Bulls and they are only favored by 2-4 points. Only thing that really kills me is when Westbrook takes 25 shots. Ridiculous, even if he scored 30.

[InspiredLebowski]

Lebron's the favorite from now until 2019ish or so.

[MichaelCheazley]

The 32Dayz(lebron23) of InsideHoops would know all about that....wouldn't he?!:lol
Hilarious considering you're one of the worst posters to have ever touched this board. Heck you got banned after ONE DAY. STOP POSTING YOU TURD.

[LakersReign]

It's true. The MVP vote has a "no Heat players" clause. Everybody knows that.

But....but...but...but isn't Lebron's name supposed to be engraved on the MVP trophy?! So....why are you saying Heat players?!:hammerhead:

OOPS!!!!:facepalm

[D-Wade316]

Yes. No doubt

[Deltron3030]

The first 3 quarters of the season he's the favorite, but unfortunately there is a 4th to complete the year!

[TylerOO]

The first 3 quarters of the season he's the favorite, but unfortunately there is a 4th to complete the year!
Good try lil guy

[LakersReign]

Deal. Please ignore Lakersreign. He's the Simple Jack of Insidehoops.


What? They put LeBron on the court when their opponents cut their lead. Just stop posting in this forum. I'll ready put you on my ignore lists. Ok Thanks bye. http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6850086#post6850086

....but yet now he's still responding to my posts. Then is stupid enough to expect people to believe that I somehow needed to make a fake profile to make him(lebron23) look stupid.:oldlol:
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[Dave3]

.....which means he'll get eliminasted in the playoffs again if he wins it. Just like the 2 previous times he won it and got sent home. Rose won it last year and lost in the playoffs as well:facepalm
Got it. So he won't win, but if he doe, he'll be eliminated in the playoffs. Got it.

[francesco totti]

Its Lebron for the first 30 games of the season. More or less half the season, as its 66 game season.

What helped him is wade's injury, and how he led the heat into many wins with wade out.Plus put incredible statistics.

Second comes Kevin Durant, as he is the leading the OKC to best record in west.

Third is Kobe, he is having great year.But what works against him is the team record.

[LakersReign]

Got it. So he won't win, but if he doe, he'll be eliminated in the playoffs. Got it.

Kobe '08 MVP - lost in Finals to Boston. Hasn't won an MVP since, but has back to back titles in 09-'10

Lebron '09-10 MVP - eliminated TWICE as a #1 seed, best record in the league. Didn't win MVP last year, but made his first Finals appearance since '07

Rose 11 MVP - eliminated in ECF



Coincidence, or recurring pattern?!:confusedshrug:

[Trigg]

If Lebron carries playing and putting up numbers like he's done so far then he's a shoe in for the MVP and rightly so. No one has come close to him so this regular season, lets be honest. He's a whole new different beast seemingly.

[chips93]

Kobe '08 MVP - lost in Finals to Boston. Hasn't won an MVP since, but has back to back titles in 09-'10

Lebron '09-10 MVP - eliminated TWICE as a #1 seed, best record in the league. Didn't win MVP last year, but made his first Finals appearance since '07

Rose 11 MVP - eliminated in ECF



Coincidence, or recurring pattern?!:confusedshrug:

this is the dumbest post ive seen in a while

[All Net]

I can't see how he doesn't get it... He has been dominant.

[Dave3]

Kobe '08 MVP - lost in Finals to Boston. Hasn't won an MVP since, but has back to back titles in 09-'10

Lebron '09-10 MVP - eliminated TWICE as a #1 seed, best record in the league. Didn't win MVP last year, but made his first Finals appearance since '07

Rose 11 MVP - eliminated in ECF

Coincidence, or recurring pattern?!:confusedshrug:
Shaq 2000 MVP - championship
Jordan MVP's in 90's - championship
Malone and Barkley MVP's in 90's - finals
Hakeem MVP in 94 - championship
Larry Bird and Magic throughout the 80's - multiple championships

If anything, the last 7 or 8 years have been an anomaly. And even if they haven't you're operating under the false premise that correlation = causation, which is definitely not the case.

[chains5000]

Shaq 2000 MVP - championship
Jordan MVP's in 90's - championship
Malone and Barkley MVP's in 90's - championship
Hakeem MVP in 94 - championship
Larry Bird and Magic throughout the 80's - multiple championships

If anything, the last 7 or 8 years have been an anomaly. And even if they haven't you're operating under the false premise that correlation = causation, which is definitely not the case.
When did that happen?

[Duncan21formvp]

No, they don't even have the best record and are the only team with 3 allstars.

[Rnbizzle]

If Lebron can keep up this level of play and does not win the MVP the world should indeed end this year.

[Dave3]

When did that happen?
Sorry, meant finals. In class so distracted.

[Bigsmoke]

Chris Paul because of the turnaround. If the Clippers finished 2nd or third in the west then he has a chance

[arifgokcen]

If lakers had a top 2-3 record,i would say kobe.However right now durant doesnt even come close to being mvp because his teammate has been playing better than him for the last 2 weeks.Rose will not get it for sure because of his injuries and his stats.Only player that can challenge lebron right now is his teammate.Chris paul is too inconsistent and most of the time griffin plays better. So he will probably get his 3rd mvp.

[arifgokcen]

Chris Paul because of the turnaround. If the Clippers finished 2nd or third in the west then he has a chance

There is no way chris paul wins mvp.Clippers will not finish ahead of bulls-heat-okc and possibly not ahead of dallas-spurs.Even if they finish 4th,his stats is even worse than blake.So please dont include him in the race.Because he doesnt deserve it

[pauk]

I would think so... kindof the reason he has been on the #1 on the "KIA MVP ladder" for a long while now....

Rose has not been playing so great and is injured, Bulls proved they could pretty much dominate even without him... he should not be in top 5.

Dwight, best player in his team, but meh.. i guess he is #4-#5 somewhere, considering record and stats

Kobe i thinks is #3 right now somewhere, he is the best player in his team, leads the league in scoring, has good numbers by his standards... but losing / not winning enough holds him down...

Durant i think is #2 right now, he has played aight and has best record... but his teammates, Westbrook particulary has been just as important if not more important and has overall outplayed him the past few week/weeks... came up in the clutch alot aswell and so on... just not enough all in all to surpass the guy downstairs...

Lebron is #1... has career best numbers / fg% / 3pt% / efficiency / you name it putting up 28-8-7-2-1 on 55%-37%-76% right now... and his PER this season is at an all-time NBA history high.... 32.3 (yep, most overall productive/efficient season by any player in NBA history)
played almost all positions aswell... Wade is/was not doing so good this season, without him he and Heat played actually even better many would say..... he has the most player of the week honors and has already the first player of the month trophy with numbers of 33-9-6 @ 58% fg... he got one of the top records in the NBA, 1 win away from top record in east........ Lebron will most likely win the MVP

[guy]

By the way, before the douches start chiming in...I want to add that Lebron probably IS the best player in the game right now. I just don't think he'll win because the best player RARELY wins.

Since the turn of the century, the best player in the regular season won MVP in 00, 02, 03, 04, 08, 09, and 10. Thats 7 out of 12 seasons. In the 80s and 90s it was even more common. I don't see how thats "rare".

[LakersReign]

this is the dumbest post ive seen in a while

Yeah...uh huh....right....sure, which is exactly why it's all true and also why you CAN'T AND WON'T refute it...right?!:hammerhead:

(yawn):rolleyes:


Shaq 2000 MVP - championship
Jordan MVP's in 90's - championship
Malone and Barkley MVP's in 90's - finals
Hakeem MVP in 94 - championship
Larry Bird and Magic throughout the 80's - multiple championships

If anything, the last 7 or 8 years have been an anomaly. And even if they haven't you're operating under the false premise that correlation = causation, which is definitely not the case.

Thanks for proving my point. Shaq was the last MVP to win a championship in the same season. Lebron isn't and won't be the next one, rationalize all you want.

[Dave3]

Yeah...uh huh....right....sure, which is exactly why it's all true and also why you CAN'T AND WON'T refute it...right?!:hammerhead:

(yawn):rolleyes:



Thanks for proving my point. Shaq was the last MVP to win a championship in the same season. Lebron isn't and won't be the next one, rationalize all you want.
No he wasn't, Duncan was, you said it yourself. I showed you that it happened quite frequently throughout the 90's and 80's so that actually disproves your point, not proves it.

And lastly, what am I trying to rationalize? That LeBron is going to win the championship? I never even said that I think he will this year...

[chazzy]

He's been the best player in the league this season but CP3 might have a better narrative. We'll see where the media takes this in the coming months.

[PJR]

This dude Lakersreign has schizophrenia or some shit. Dude is
nuts....

[TheMan]

Right now LBJ deserves it, I expect his numbers to dip a bit because of the crazy schedule but a 27/8/8 on 52% is still amazing.

[tmacattack33]

:wtf:

Welcome to three weeks ago (which is a long time in this condensed season that is only 6 weeks old in total).


Lebron's been the clear favorite for a while now.


What's been at question for the past three weeks is if Lebron is having the best individual season of the millenium, not if he is the MVP for 2012.


I came to this site because I thought it had knowledgeable posters. But the OP just wrote a huge opening post for something that is three to four weeks late.

[Boogaboog]

LeBron is easily the favorite. That said, if Lin continues to do this 25ppg 50%+ carrying-the-Knicks stuff through the remainder of the season, he would take it.

[swi7ch]

LIN is.

Remove LBJ from the Heat and they are still a great team. Remove Lin from the Knicks and they are a bottom 10 team. It's the same fact that made Rose the MVP last year---remove him from the Bulls and they are a mediocre team.

Remember---the award is Most Valuable PLAYER! Not Player With the Most Mind Boggling Stats.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Remember---the award is Most Valuable PLAYER! Not Player With the Most Mind Boggling Stats.
Which is exactly what I feel a lot of people here are overlooking. Take Lebron off the Heat, they are STILL a Top 5 team in the NBA....especially with Wade deciding to get into gear. Lebron is GOOD, hell even VALUABLE, but I don't know about MOST VALUABLE.

[guy]

Which is exactly what I feel a lot of people here are overlooking. Take Lebron off the Heat, they are STILL a Top 5 team in the NBA....especially with Wade deciding to get into gear. Lebron is GOOD, hell even VALUABLE, but I don't know about MOST VALUABLE.

This argument has always been stupid to me. The Twolves won only 17 games last year, take Kevin Love off the team and they probably win like 3. The Suns won only 40 games last year, take Steve Nash off the team and they probably win like 15. Did Kevin Love and Steve Nash deserve MVP consideration last year? Did they deserve it over Rose, Lebron, and Durant who's teams probably wouldn't have had as much of a dip in wins if they were off the team? If they did, then what exactly should those players have done with their teams to deserve the nod over them? Win 70-80 games? A superstar will always have more impact on a team's record the less talented the rest of that team is. You're not rewarding players for good/valuable they are under your logic. It becomes a "which superstar has worse teammates around him" award under your logic.

[baccano]

Right now LBJ deserves it, I expect his numbers to dip a bit because of the crazy schedule but a 27/8/8 on 52% is still amazing.

Just to correct, it's 28/8/7 on 55% :D

And yes, if it ended today, he would probably won it.

[lbj23clutch]

I don't think we will ever see players win 3+ MVP's ever again, this generation's voters want newer faces winning the MVP award. I think it's because guys like MJ and Kareem were hoggin' all the MVP trophies.:lol It's pretty stupid that guys like Kobe and Shaq have only won 1 in their careers, while Steve Nash has won two in this era.

[lbj23clutch]

If voters penalize LeBron for having Wade, then they should penalize Durant for having Westbrook because Westbrook has been just as good if not better than Wade so far this year(due to Wade's injuries). Also the Heat lost only one game without Wade.

[guy]

I don't think we will ever see players win 3+ MVP's ever again, this generation's voters want newer faces winning the MVP award. I think it's because guys like MJ and Kareem were hoggin' all the MVP trophies.:lol It's pretty stupid that guys like Kobe and Shaq have only won 1 in their careers, while Steve Nash has won two in this era.

Shaq always missed alot of games during the regular season. Out of his 19 seasons, he only played 70+ games in 8 seasons. In those 8 seasons, the only seasons you can really make a convincing argument for him are 00, 01, and 05. You can argue that he was robbed in 01 and 05, but the biggest reason he didn't win more then 1 was just cause he missed so much time.

In Kobe's case, people always point out that he played with Shaq, but even then, he just wasn't that good in his first 4 years, and in the next 4 years with Shaq he played less then 70 games twice with the other 2 years being years where Duncan clearly deserved it. He was injured in 05, and in 06 and 07 he just had real bad teams, which never helps. Lebron then clearly deserved in 09 and 10.

I don't know if Lebron will win or not this year, but if he keeps this up he should win his 3rd.

[lpublic_enemyl]

Lebron should be the mvp, who knows if that voting will back the truth tho

[Tenchi Ryu]

This argument has always been stupid to me. The Twolves won only 17 games last year, take Kevin Love off the team and they probably win like 3. The Suns won only 40 games last year, take Steve Nash off the team and they probably win like 15. Did Kevin Love and Steve Nash deserve MVP consideration last year? Did they deserve it over Rose, Lebron, and Durant who's teams probably wouldn't have had as much of a dip in wins if they were off the team? If they did, then what exactly should those players have done with their teams to deserve the nod over them? Win 70-80 games? A superstar will always have more impact on a team's record the less talented the rest of that team is. You're not rewarding players for good/valuable they are under your logic. It becomes a "which superstar has worse teammates around him" award under your logic.
MVP is the most valuable player...and the way I look at is the most VALUABLE person in the LEAGUE was well as their team. This is basically who's a big need for the team WHILE doing well.

Using your examples of Kevin Love and Steve Nash last year are poor examples. They were valuable to the team, but they still were not good, and didn't contribute wins to the team. So no, they don't deserve the vote. Now take someone who is valuable to the team, AND winning, THAT'S the difference.

What proves that Lebron is more valuable to the Heat than Durant is to the Thunder? Or Rose is to the Bulls? When comparing WINNING teams, then that's when you use the valuable argument, not against scrub teams with a all-star caliber player.

[guy]

MVP is the most valuable player...and the way I look at is the most VALUABLE person in the LEAGUE was well as their team. This is basically who's a big need for the team WHILE doing well.

Using your examples of Kevin Love and Steve Nash last year are poor examples. They were valuable to the team, but they still were not good, and didn't contribute wins to the team. So no, they don't deserve the vote. Now take someone who is valuable to the team, AND winning, THAT'S the difference.

What proves that Lebron is more valuable to the Heat than Durant is to the Thunder? Or Rose is to the Bulls? When comparing WINNING teams, then that's when you use the valuable argument, not against scrub teams with a all-star caliber player.

How were they not contributing to wins on the team? Like I said, take Nash off that team and they probably win 15 instead of 40 games.

What conclusion are you coming to? How many games do you think the Heat win without Lebron last year? Lets say they would've won 51. Are you saying that Lebron only contributed to 7 wins for the Heat last year? And if so, does that mean you think Lebron on a team like the Twolves would've made them go from 17 wins to only 24? If you don't believe that, then you should agree that the "take this player off his team" argument is stupid. Its not MVP to their team, it is to only the LEAGUE.

[Tenchi Ryu]

How were they not contributing to wins on the team? Like I said, take Nash off that team and they probably win 15 instead of 40 games.
40 is not a winning record though, thus not valuable to the league. Rose's Value > Nash's cause Rose had 62. That's what I mean.


What conclusion are you coming to? How many games do you think the Heat win without Lebron last year? Lets say they would've won 51. Are you saying that Lebron only contributed to 7 wins for the Heat last year? And if so, does that mean you think Lebron on a team like the Twolves would've made them go from 17 wins to only 24? If you don't believe that, then you should agree that the "take this player off his team" argument is stupid. Its not MVP to their team, it is to the LEAGUE.
I'm saying its MVP to their team AND their league. Its a two way thing. You have to be on a winning team AND a strong reason WHY you are a winning team. This is why you don't compare a Kevin Love to LEbron James cause Love is a team MVP, Lebron on the other hand is a TEAM AND LEAGUE MVP. He's valuable to both.

When you have multiple people who are valuable to both, THEN that's when you compare who's more valuable to their team, setting who's truly more valuable.

The player who's Success was has more effect to the team is the one that should get MVP. That's my conclusion. That's when you would look at Lebron's success who's playing with 2 other Allstars, compared to like Dwight who has none. In this scenerio, Dwights Success is more valuable.

[guy]

40 is not a winning record though, thus not valuable to the league. Rose's Value > Nash's cause Rose had 62. That's what I mean.


I'm saying its MVP to their team AND their league. Its a two way thing. You have to be on a winning team AND a strong reason WHY you are a winning team. This is why you don't compare a Kevin Love to LEbron James cause Love is a team MVP, Lebron on the other hand is a TEAM AND LEAGUE MVP. He's valuable to both.

When you have multiple people who are valuable to both, THEN that's when you compare who's more valuable to their team, setting who's truly more valuable.

The player who's Success was has more effect to the team is the one that should get MVP. That's my conclusion. That's when you would look at Lebron's success who's playing with 2 other Allstars, compared to like Dwight who has none. In this scenerio, Dwights Success is more valuable.

You don't get it. A player's effect on a team's success will almost ALWAYS be greater the worse the players are around him. In that case, you are basically just penalizing players for the team they are on and how good their management is for putting certain players around him (or for those players making those certain players look alot better then they really are). How is that fair?

[DMAVS41]

40 is not a winning record though, thus not valuable to the league. Rose's Value > Nash's cause Rose had 62. That's what I mean.


I'm saying its MVP to their team AND their league. Its a two way thing. You have to be on a winning team AND a strong reason WHY you are a winning team. This is why you don't compare a Kevin Love to LEbron James cause Love is a team MVP, Lebron on the other hand is a TEAM AND LEAGUE MVP. He's valuable to both.

When you have multiple people who are valuable to both, THEN that's when you compare who's more valuable to their team, setting who's truly more valuable.

The player who's Success was has more effect to the team is the one that should get MVP. That's my conclusion. That's when you would look at Lebron's success who's playing with 2 other Allstars, compared to like Dwight who has none. In this scenerio, Dwights Success is more valuable.

That isn't how the award is given out though. It historically goes to a player putting up great stats on one of the 3 or 4 best teams in the league in the regular season.

[Tenchi Ryu]

You don't get it. A player's effect on a team's success will almost ALWAYS be greater the worse the players are around him. In that case, you are basically just penalizing players for the team they are on and how good their management is for putting certain players around him (or for those players making those certain players look alot better then they really are). How is that fair?
I think that's very fair because of the award being given. If this was "Who was the better player" award, then they should win based on an overall good game no matter who's on their team. But for the MVP, yes, they SHOULD be penalized by not getting the vote, cause no matter how good they are, they aren't AS valuable with other valuable players. The person who looks more valuable to me is the one who had less to work with, and STILL made it to the top. Cleveland Lebron was the poster child of this idea.

[guy]

I think that's very fair because of the award being given. If this was "Who was the better player" award, then they should win based on an overall good game no matter who's on their team. But for the MVP, yes, they SHOULD be penalized by not getting the vote, cause no matter how good they are, they aren't AS valuable with other valuable players. The person who looks more valuable to me is the one who had less to work with, and STILL made it to the top. Cleveland Lebron was the poster child of this idea.

Thats not really how the award is given out though. There really isn't a set way on how they vote on it, it just usually goes to someone on the top teams. Bird, Magic, and Jordan's total 11 MVPs would be alot less if they voted solely on that.

[greymatter]

You don't get it. A player's effect on a team's success will almost ALWAYS be greater the worse the players are around him. In that case, you are basically just penalizing players for the team they are on and how good their management is for putting certain players around him (or for those players making those certain players look alot better then they really are). How is that fair?

You're asking this kid to understand the Law of Diminishing Returns? Good luck with that.

[LakersReign]

No he wasn't, Duncan was, you said it yourself. I showed you that it happened quite frequently throughout the 90's and 80's so that actually disproves your point, not proves it.

And lastly, what am I trying to rationalize? That LeBron is going to win the championship? I never even said that I think he will this year...

Just gotta love it how, my main point in my previous posts was that Lebron wasn't going to win MVP on the Heat playing with Wade and Bosh. My point also was that if he did win it, he wouldn't win a title in the same season. Now he responded to both of those posts, but now claims he never said Lebron was going to do both in the same season. Hilarious:lol

[DevilsAssassin]

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[Heavincent]

If Lebron can get his 3rd MVP and somehow overcome his biggest hurdle (play well in the Finals), damn. I actually feel bad for his haters. You know they're gonna be hurting seeing dude leapfrog the all-time ranks.

It would still be way worse being a Kobe hater, considering there's like no legitimate way of discrediting him.

[TheAesirsFinest]

It would still be way worse being a Kobe hater, considering there's like no legitimate way of discrediting him.

Hasn't stopped people from trying :facepalm

[Simple Jack]

Deal. Please ignore Lakersreign. He's the Simple Jack of Insidehoops.

I'm the Simple Jack of insidehoops.