Official Manny Pacquiao vs. Timothy Bradley Fight Thread

[Lebron23]

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TALE OF THE TAPE

MANNY PACQUIAO VS TIMOTHY BRADLEY

WBC WELTERWEIGHT TITLE FIGHT
MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada
MAY, 2012
Manny Pacquiao NAME Timothy Bradley
Pacman ALIAS Desert Storm
December 17, 1978 (32) BORN August 29, 1983 (28)
Kibawe, Bukidnon, Philippines BIRTHPLACE Cathedral City, California, USA
Southpaw STANCE Orthodox
5’6” / (1.69 m) HEIGHT 5’6″ (1.68 m)
67 in (170 cm) REACH 69 in (175 cm)
52 wins, 3 losses, 38 KO RECORD 27 wins, 0 loss, 11 KO
Light MiddleweightWelterweight
Light Welterweight
Lightweight
Super Featherweight
Featherweight
Super Bantamweight
Flyweight TITLES Light welterweight



Manny Pacquiao has, along with Floyd Mayweather Jr., lapped the field in terms of in-ring achievements. The world’s two best fighters are generally regarded as beatable only by each other.

But Timothy Bradley Jr. believes otherwise. The super lightweight champion signed a $5 million contract to face Pacquiao in a welterweight fight June 9 on pay-per-view at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas. Pacquiao will be defending his World Boxing Organization title.

And Bradley believes he can win the bout. He won’t be, he said, “spooked by the crowd,” or by the aura of Pacquiao. Fighting at 147 pounds will also be an advantage for him, he said, because making 140 had become increasingly difficult.
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Manny Pacquiao will put his WBO welterweight belt on the line against Timothy Bradley.
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Just days before he fought Joel Casamayor on Nov. 12 on the undercard of the Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez fight, Bradley weighed 145 pounds and had just 2 percent body fat. This time around, he said he’ll be able to eat better during camp and thinks he’ll be as strong as he’s ever been, while retaining his quickness.

He is insistent that he’ll have his hand raised.

“I have really good footwork, even though I haven’t had to use it the last couple of fights,” said Bradley, who said he expected to weigh 144 or 145 at the weigh-in. “I have fast hands and I can throw my punches and get out of the way. I also have great eyes, I believe. I see things and I’m a student of the game. I can look at film and read the videos and come up with a game plan and strategize.

“He hasn’t fought anyone as young and hungry like I am in a long time. I am rough in there and I’m not afraid to mix it up. I know he’s physical, too, but he hasn’t seen anyone like me in a long time.”

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Pacquiao and his advisor, Michael Koncz, are in the Philippines and unavailable for comment. However, Top Rank president Todd duBoef said one of the attractions in choosing Bradley as Pacquiao’s next opponent is that Bradley is one of the few men in the world who is a legitimate threat to defeat Pacquiao.

Bradley, 28, soundly defeated Lamont Peterson in a Dec. 12, 2009, World Boxing Organization super lightweight title match, winning 10, 11 and 12 rounds on the three judges’ cards.

On Dec. 10, Peterson defeated heavily favored Amir Khan to win the WBA and IBF versions of the super lightweight belt.

“You saw how Bradley dismantled Peterson and then you saw how neck-and-neck Peterson was with Khan,” duBoef said. “This guy is a threat to Manny, absolutely. Bradley’s got the speed and quickness and the reflexes, kind of like Floyd. He’s that kind of fighter. He’s a more crude version of Floyd, but he has an aggressive style and he’s going to go after Manny.”

Bradley is 28-0 with 12 knockouts and has struggled to gain recognition despite being ranked among the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world and fighting a slew of top contenders.

Fighting Peterson, Devon Alexander and Casamayor, though, is entirely different matter than fighting Pacquiao. Pacquiao is not only at another level physically, but there is a mental component that goes along with fighting him.

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Bradley, though, insists it won’t be an issue and that he’ll step up when the bell rings.

“This is nothing different for me,” Bradley said. “Manny is a great fighter, no doubt about it. How can you not respect him tremendously? He’s one of the best in the world and has been for a long time. But he’s human. He has two hands and two feet. He’s a man, just like me. He’s not God and I don’t fear him.

“I won’t fear the crowd and I won’t be intimidated. This is the moment I’ve worked my whole life for and I’m going to take full advantage.”

DuBoef said Pacquiao has not signed, but he said the sides have agreed to terms and the contract is being drawn up for him to endorse.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-iole_manny_pacquiao_timothy_bradley_welterweight_0 21012

[RedBlackAttack]

I think the winner will be Bob Arum.

Another in-house fight for that greedy fat slob.

[magic chiongson]

2nd best option after mayweather. this is a better choice than mosley & margarito. i wanted to see this fight happen everytime the pac-mayweather talks break down. and yeah, arum wouldn't have done this if he didn't have bradley on his stable

i also want to see the winner of peterson-khan rematch vs mayweather @ 147

[flipogb]

will Bradley be considered "shot" also after Manny beats him?

[Lebron23]

will Bradley be considered "shot" also after Manny beats him?


Bradley is at the prime of his career. If Manny beats him this is going to be his best win since the Miguel Cotto fight back in 2009.

[lefthook00]

This is going to be a scrap. Bradley may not have crazy power but he will definitely touch Manny's face a lot.

[magic chiongson]

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is that jalen rose in the upper left behind pacman?

[Beebo]

**** bob arum

[Lebron23]

is that jalen rose in the upper left behind pacman?

Yeah. He's a huge fan of Manny Pacquiao.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqM0yuG9NNA

[Tarik One]

There are many ways for Bradley to win this fight. Maul for the first few rounds. Box for the next few. Move for the last few. Pacquiao hasn't stopped anyone since 2009 despite what his accusers say. It's possible he has he lost a step. In addition, Bradley has got some beast in him. Pacquiao should be favored, but Bradley is a live dog here.

Styles make fights and Bradley is no JMM but for a guy who is in some eyes coming off a loss I'm shocked at the dismissal of Bradley going into this. Will he fall into a bunker mentality like a Mosley or Cotto? Hell f'n no, he won't. Marquez found manny repeatedly with hooks to the body and rights, frankly I think he waited far to much though countering very well. I favor Manny but to think Bradley gets blown out is silly talk. He brings an intesity and busier pace than Manny has faced in a very long time.

[RedBlackAttack]

There are many ways for Bradley to win this fight. Maul for the first few rounds. Box for the next few. Move for the last few. Pacquiao hasn't stopped anyone since 2009 despite what his accusers say. It's possible he has he lost a step. In addition, Bradley has got some beast in him. Pacquiao should be favored, but Bradley is a live dog here.

Styles make fights and Bradley is no JMM but for a guy who is in some eyes coming off a loss I'm shocked at the dismissal of Bradley going into this. Will he fall into a bunker mentality like a Mosley or Cotto? Hell f'n no, he won't. Marquez found manny repeatedly with hooks to the body and rights, frankly I think he waited far to much though countering very well. I favor Manny but to think Bradley gets blown out is silly talk. He brings an intesity and busier pace than Manny has faced in a very long time.

Well, it doesn't help that this is Bradley's second fight at welterweight in the last six years and he looked largely ineffective the one time he did move up recently (Abregu).

I don't think Bradley's style is one that will serve him well as he moves up in weight. He is a brawler, but with very little power. He also isn't supremely athletic like Pacquiao or Mayweather.

He relies almost solely on toughness and a dogged style.

I don't see a single physical advantage that he has on Pacquiao.

Pacquiao hits 100x harder.
Pacquiao's hands are far faster.
Pacquiao is much more effective at 147 from what I've seen.
Neither guy has much defense.
Pacquiao will likely be the bigger man in the ring... a wash at worst.

JMM didn't match Pacquiao's physical attributes, either, but he was able to cancel out those advantages by being one of the very best boxers and counter-punchers in the sport... Something Bradley certainly is not.

Basically, if you think Bradley has a chance, you are counting on him being able to out-brawl Pacquiao... Which I don't think can happen.

I think this is a tailor made opponent for Manny, personally.

[magic chiongson]

pacquiao isn't a natural welterweight either. this would be like the best 2 junior ww fighting for the welterweight title, they are both better than all the real welterweights not named floyd anyway.

this is the next best opponent for pacquiao after mayweather

[Lebron23]

Pacquiao needs to get his head straight. Manny said that he's now a Born Again Christian.

[quote]Pacquiao recently said he has given up on gambling, drinking and womanizing and is

[RedBlackAttack]

pacquiao isn't a natural welterweight either. this would be like the best 2 junior ww fighting for the welterweight title, they are both better than all the real welterweights not named floyd anyway.

this is the next best opponent for pacquiao after mayweather
Not really. Hell, Amir Khan would be a much better stylistic matchup for Manny than Bradley. At least he can box and would legitimately have some physical advantages.

Marquez would also clearly make for a better stylistic matchup and is a better fighter than Bradley. But, I'm not surprised that a fourth fight was avoided after how the last one went.

I have very little interest in either of Mayweather's or Pacquiao's next fights. Bad matchups... Stylistic nightmares. Uninteresting, one-sided fights.

[Lebron23]

Amir Khan has a glass chin. Pacquiao is a harder puncher than Maidana and Prescott.

[I<3NBA]

everyone should boycott this fight so Arum can get what he deserves. fkr really threw that Mayweather-Pacquiao fight out the window with his insistence for a fight at a later date than what Mayweather was asking for.

I for one am not watching anymore Pacquiao fights until it's Mayweathe who is his opponent. all of you who wish to see Pac vs Mayweather should do the same. boycott both Pac and Mayweather fights. until they fight each other, no one should pay to see them fight others.

[SCREWstonRockets]

This is going to be an ugly fight. I can hear the boos already....

[SCREWstonRockets]

I think the winner will be Bob Arum.

Another in-house fight for that greedy fat slob.
So Floyd's fights with Cotto, Ortiz, Mosley, Marquez and Oscar were not with Golden Boy Promotions?

[RedBlackAttack]

So Floyd's fights with Cotto, Ortiz, Mosley, Marquez and Oscar were not with Golden Boy Promotions?
Floyd isn't even officially with GBP. He does co-promotions with them. He has his own promotional company. He doesn't answer to anyone.

But, considering just about every big-name elite fighter is with either GBP or Top Rank and Arum pretty much flatly refuses to work with him... Yeah, he tends to fight GBP guys.

Don't even try to make that comparison. Floyd is basically an independent. Pacquiao works for Arum. After every fight when they ask him who he is fighting next, he directs them to Arum. Floyd handpicks his fights.

Totally and completely different.

[Lebron23]

http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/49802/Pacquiao_Bradley_Comm_shoot_120220_001a.jpg

Pacquiao and Bradley face to face.

[Lebron23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb2ImB4LzeY&feature=player_embedded

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

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[lefthook00]

Wow Bradley looks fat(relative) in that pic.

[Lebron23]

Wow Bradley looks fat(relative) in that pic.


He's currently 165 lbs.

[Lebron23]

Timothy Bradley >>> Devon Alexander who defeated Marcos Maidana. Maidana was the first boxer to beat Victor Ortiz.

Timothy Bradley >>> Lamont Peterson who defeated Amir Khan.

[RedBlackAttack]

Timothy Bradley >>> Devon Alexander
Did you not see them fight? :oldlol:

He sure as hell didn't look ">>>" better than Alexander... And, it was an absolutely awful fight before Bradley's giant head stepped in.

[Lebron23]

Did you not see them fight? :oldlol:

He sure as hell didn't look ">>>" better than Alexander... And, it was an absolutely awful fight before Bradley's giant head stepped in.


It was a very close and ugly fight. I want to see a Bradley vs. Alexander rematch at the end of the year.

[DonDadda59]

It was a very close and ugly fight. I want to see a Bradley vs. Alexander rematch at the end of the year.

The fight wasn't close at all, Bradley was winning easily and made Devon quit. Alexander couldn't even figure out which eye was 'hurt' :oldlol:

Ugly fight but it wasn't at all competitive.

[RedBlackAttack]

The fight wasn't close at all, Bradley was winning easily and made Devon quit. Alexander couldn't even figure out which eye was 'hurt' :oldlol:

Ugly fight but it wasn't at all competitive.
Both guys looked like complete and utter garbage in that fight. I refuse to say that either one established themselves as clearly better than the other in that crapfest. Worst thing was, I had been looking forward to it for months, as I'm sure you had.

It was one of the worst letdowns I can remember in a while.... Borderline unwatchable.

A lot of times, when two young elite prospects go toe-to-toe early in their careers, both guys are helped regardless of who gets the win... In that one, both guys' stock actually fell afterward. That is a difficult feat.

[Lebron23]

Where would you rank Pacquiao if he beats Bradley?

[RedBlackAttack]

Where would you rank Pacquiao if he beats Bradley?
I'm not sure where exactly I would rank him... Would have to work out an all-time list in order to tell you that and doing so would require a lot of time and effort.

I can tell you that beating Timothy Bradley would have absolutely no impact on his all-time rating.


There are basically only two things that he can do to raise his all-time stock at this stage... Fight Mayweather Jr. or go up in weight class. If he beat a Sergio Martinez, that would impact his all-time standing.

This fight? Only way it impacts his standing is if he loses.

[Tarik One]

Where would you rank Pacquiao if he beats Bradley?

This is an obvious "little to gain, more to lose" situation for Manny. Even if Manny were to lose to Bradley and fight Floyd anyway, their fight would lose some of its luster, which it already has after Manny's questionable decision over Marquez.

[Lebron23]

I'm not sure where exactly I would rank him... Would have to work out an all-time list in order to tell you that and doing so would require a lot of time and effort.

I can tell you that beating Timothy Bradley would have absolutely no impact on his all-time rating.


There are basically only two things that he can do to raise his all-time stock at this stage... Fight Mayweather Jr. or go up in weight class. If he beat a Sergio Martinez, that would impact his all-time standing.

This fight? Only way it impacts his standing is if he loses.


Bradley is good opponent. He's a top 10 pound for pound fighter. Pacquiao won't fight Sergio Martinez at the Middleweight Division.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bradley is good opponent. He's a top 10 pound for pound fighter. Pacquiao won't fight Sergio Martinez at the Middleweight Division.
You asked the question and I answered.

[RedBlackAttack]

were you at all impressed with alexander over maidana?
or was it more maidana looking bad at welterweight
Anyone who beats Maidana like that leaves an impression on me. Maidana is not cut out for 147, but I think Devon Alexander is... And when he gets his rhythm going like he had it that night, he is damn good.

I do think that it may be a stylistic thing even more than the weight. Alexander struggled with Matthysse, but he is a little more wild than Maidana... A little more unpredictable and Alexander looked like he couldn't adapt to his style.

Against Maidana, Alexander could easier predict his next move and counter it.


Back a couple of years ago, I liked Alexander the most out of any of the prospects at 140 (Khan, Bradley, Maidana, Matthysse). After the Junior Witter win, his stock began sinking and it almost looked like a case of a guy with a lot of skill who just didn't love boxing.

Hopefully, a new weight class and an excellent win get him back on track, physically and mentally. If so, he is a dangerous fighter in the division.

[magic chiongson]

back to mayweather..these articles make sense

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/14184-pacquaio-might-have-blueprint-to-beat-mayweather


It now looks like the much anticipated fantasy fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather will remain just that. A fantasy.
During the recent Mayweather/Cotto presser in NY, Floyd announced that the fight would remain unlikely as long as Pacquiao is promoted under Bob Arum. Mayweather went on, adding that he was not willing to split the purse with Pacquiao either.

But Floyd is considered the betting favourite. So why the apparent reluctance?

Nobody knows Floyd Mayweather better than, well, Floyd Mayweather. He knows his likes and dislikes. He knows what makes him happy or sad. More importantly, he knows his strengths and his weaknesses.

Mayweather versus Pacquiao was once thought of as an even fight. Not anymore. Back in November of last year, Manny Pacquiao was awarded a highly controversial decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez with the Mexican great once again proving to have the counterpunching style to neutralise the Filipino's overwhelming offense. Making things look even more ominous for Pacquiao, was back in 2009, after an 18 month lay off, Floyd Mayweather dominated the very same Marquez, winning just about every second of every round. It was as one sided a fight as you are likely to see.

As a result, most are now of the opinion, that if Manny Pacquiao could not handle Juan Manuel Marquez, who is a great counterpuncher, then surely Floyd Mayweather, who is an all time great counterpuncher, will be able to control Pacquiao with relative ease.
Many who felt Pacquiao may have had the style to cause Floyd problems before the last Marquez fight, now think otherwise.

Nothing could be further from the truth. There was nothing in the last Pacquiao/Marquez fight that has changed this writer's opinion that if they ever meet in the ring, Manny Pacquiao will be Floyd Mayweather's toughest challenge to date. To further my point, there were elements in the last Pacquiao/Marquez fight that have enhanced my opinion.

Juan Manuel Marquez operates very differently from Floyd Mayweather. Marquez is probably the best combination puncher in the sport. He owns a variety of punches that he mixes up, to body and head, throwing as many as five at a time. He is never afraid of letting his hands go, and he is able to mount offense without hesitation. One of the reasons Marquez enjoys great success over Pacquiao is his willingness to match him in the punch output department. In other words, Marquez is willing to risk his defensive responsibility which allows him to land his own shots. As a result, Pacquiao's own offense is reduced. Floyd Mayweather on the other hand, is the polar opposite. Floyd shies away from throwing combinations. Instead, Floyd's straight right hand is his primary offensive weapon, a punch which he only allows to be released, one shot at a time, once the offense of his opponent has been neutralised.

Mayweather and Marquez set about counterpunching in different ways too. Floyd likes to stand in front of his opponent, almost daring them to open up. Once they do, Floyd's god given anticipation takes over. He is able to make an opponent miss a jab by tilting his head back, which enables him to then immediately land his straight right hand over the top of his opponent's exposed jab. Floyd calls this the pull counter. Floyd also likes to counter using his shoulder roll. He is able to deflect his opponents offense off of his shoulders, thus creating an angle for him to counter straight back. Floyd uses upper body movement to defend himself. Marquez uses his legs.

The point is, when defending in this way, Mayweather's feet are planted. Marquez' feet are only planted when he is on offense. Marquez likes to defend by maintaining a distance between himself and his opponent, constantly circling clockwise around the ring. Take a look at his three fights with Pacquiao. You will be amazed at how much ground Marquez covers with his feet. Only when an opponent is off balance and Marquez has created an angle, does he counter. Defending in this way against Pacquiao does not allow Marquez to get caught by Manny's straight left hand. It also keeps his back off the ropes. Alarmingly, Mayweather's back probably touched the ropes more in four rounds with Victor Ortiz, than Marquez' back did in three fights with Manny Pacquiao.

Technically, Marquez and Mayweather are both counterpunchers, yes. But that's where the similarities begin and end. They are like night and day when it comes to how they behave in the ring.

Juan Manuel Marquez does not receive enough credit for his ability to neutralise Manny Pacquiao. It does him a major disservice to make the assumption that Pacquiao is on the slide or Mayweather could replicate what Marquez is able achieve against Manny.
Marquez has somewhat evolved into a specialist at fighting Manny Pacquiao.
Prior to their last fight, Marquez had 24 rounds experience with Pacquiao. He now has 36. If we a look at Marquez' fight's against Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis, you will see a far more aggressive Marquez, sometimes even pressing the attack, as opposed to sitting back and waiting to counter.

Yet for all the suggestions that Marquez has Manny's number, how many official wins does Marquez have over Pacquiao? Ask yourself this. In their last fight, did Marquez defeat Pacquiao? Or did he tame Pacquiao? One could argue Marquez did a good job of not allowing himself to take a beating like previous Pacquiao opponents Shane Mosley and Joshua Clottey did, whilst applying just a little bit more in the way of offense to avoid comparisons with them. Point being, Manny Pacquiao is very tough to defeat on the scorecards. Erik Morales managed it once, but that win was twice reversed in devastating fashion. Marquez may have come as close as anyone can to defeating the current version of Manny Pacquiao without leaving themselves vulnerable to Manny's offense. Marquez fought cautious and was backing up the whole time, allowing Pacquiao to come onto him. This is why the judges awarded Pacquiao the decision.

It is easy to get wrapped up in the mystique of Floyd's defensive wizardry and sheer dominance over his opposition. But, if we think logically, logic tells us that a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight would probably go to the scorecards. We know that Pacquiao, unlike Roy Jones during his prime years, can take a decent shot. Manny is not as elusive as Jones was. We have seen him hit often and hard by the likes of Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito. Mayweather on the other hand, does not take risks inside the ring, he is not an aggressive fighter, he rarely looks for the knockout, instead preferring to outbox his opponent over the distance.

[magic chiongson]

cont'd



Because of the nature of round scoring, it is not inconceivable to think that Mayweather could appear to be winning the fight, boxing and moving, making Pacquiao miss and still end up losing a decision. Just ask Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez probably won the battle, but lost the war because of an opinion from two men. Remember, many felt Jose Luis Castillo defeated Mayweather in their first fight. One judge also felt that De la Hoya defeated Mayweather, because of Oscar's constant forward momentum. Pacquiao's style translates to him receiving the benefit of the doubt in close fights that don't seem to go his way. Floyd is the opposite, judges sometimes think his fights are a lot closer than they really are. The curse of the counterpuncher against volume.
We can look at the Joshua Clottey fight as another example. If you were to choose the ten cleanest punches of the whole fight, every one of them would have belonged to Joshua Clottey. Pacquiao struggled to land anything clean on Clottey the whole fight, yet he won every single round because of his aggression and volume. Pacquiao's high volume and aggressive nature does not bode well for a defensive minded fighter. On average, Floyd probably throws around 400 punches a fight. Manny Pacquiao throws around the 800 mark. Thats a 2 to 1 ratio. Damning numbers in a fight that could be the subject of judgement in the end.

It is not just on the scorecards where Pacquiao's style does not translate well for Mayweather either. As mentioned earlier, Marquez and Mayweather go about their jobs very differently. Floyd's defense is one of the best in boxing history, but Marquez may have the more appropriate defense when it comes to defending Pacquiao attacks.
Manny Pacquiao, in the eyes of many, is the best offensive fighter in boxing. Pacquiao's best weapon is his ability to feint, then, using superb footwork, change the direction of his attack at the last second, then explode in with his combinations.
His "in and out" style of boxing is the reason Pacquiao opponents all share the same notion, that Pacquiao throws his punches from such strange angles.
The truth is, Pacquiao only ever throws straight punches, but it's because of the feints that freeze his opponents, and his footwork, that enables him to snake around his opponent's guard which allows him to land the combinations that they don't see coming.
Marquez' style combats this attack perfectly.

His heels seldom touch the canvas, he is always moving, circling around the ring, never allowing himself to be caught in the Pacquiao feint combination. In contrast, Floyd Mayweather often plants his feet when defending. Mayweather's defense is designed to meet offense head on, like waves crashing into rocks. This is the difference between the two defensive mechanics. Mayweather invites offense onto him, whereas Marquez maintains distance between himself and his opponent. It is no coincidence then, that James Toney and Chad Dawson, both defensive minded fighters with a similar style to Mayweather, lost to Roy Jones and Jean Pascal respectively. They were fighters who utilised footwork, combinations and an "in and out" style of boxing to bewilder their opponents.

What about Pacquiao's southpaw stance?

Floyd Mayweather has fought southpaws before, but Pacquiao is very different. Pacquiao is unconventional with his movement. Pacquiao likes to drift to his left which can be very confusing for an orthodox fighter, as the power left hand is now coming at a very central angle. If we look at Mayweather's defensive shell and imagine he is fighting an orthodox fighter, his right hand is protecting his chin and parrying his opponents' jab. Floyd's left shoulder is also protecting his chin and deflecting right hand power shots coming from the outside.
Pacquiao's southpaw stance and unconventional movement appears to trump Mayweather's defense. Moving inside Mayweather's guard, Pacquiao's left hand would now be traveling INSIDE of Floyd's left shoulder, instead of AROUND.
Take a look at the combination Mosley landed on Floyd that hurt him in round 2 of their fight. Now think of the way Floyd was defending himself. His feet were planted, using his parry and shoulders to defend himself. Marquez never defends in this way against Pacquiao.

One final worry for Floyd could be that he is a slow starter, as was evident against Chop Chop Corley, Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley. Manny Pacquiao, however, is a fast starter. He hurt and scored early knockdowns of Barerra, Morales, Marquez, Hatton, Cotto and Mosely.
Ask yourself this, if Pacquiao was in the ring with Mayweather, instead of Shane Mosley during their contest, would Mayweather have even made it to the next round, let alone go on to dominate every proceeding round after?


Don't get me wrong, Floyd Mayweather is a sensational fighter. His ability to adjust and adapt in the ring is extraordinary and the longer this fight takes to be made, the more Mayweather will benefit as a result. Mayweather's fundamentals and knowledge last with time. Pacquiao's physical gifts, like speed and explosiveness, do not.
Most people agree Floyd is the best fighter in the world ahead of Pacquiao. Floyd is probably more dominant over his opposition than Manny is over his. However, it's an entirely different story when you match Floyd's style with Manny's style. Because of his experience of going to the scorecards in big fights, I think Floyd may have been the only person who watched the last Pacquiao/Marquez fight and actually came away with negative thoughts regarding his own chances. The nature of round scoring favours Pacquiao, not Mayweather. Compubox favours Pacquiao, not Mayweather. Look at the fighters who Floyd has been thought to have avoided. Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito--Margarito was actually considered a threat at one time--and now Pacquiao.
The commonality between those fighters and Pacquiao? Volume.

Mayweather is more than capable of defeating Manny Pacquiao. But to suggest so based on how Juan Manuel Marquez looked against Pacquiao is a false assumption.

Nearly every great fighter throughout history had an opponent, who may not have been as talented or as skilled, yet proved to be more than their match because of a stylistic contrast. Muhammad Ali had Ken Norton, Manny Pacquiao has Juan Manuel Marquez.

No fighter is unbeatable. Even Ray Robinson lost fights. As of yet, there is no blueprint on how to beat Floyd Mayweather. Does the blueprint lie within Pacquiao's style?

[magic chiongson]

and mayweather basically admitting he is just plain scared of pacquiao hurting him

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/mayweather-finally-admits-cowardice-health-concerns-are-why-he-ducked-pacquiao/

[QUOTE]Mayweather Finally Admits Cowardice: Health Concerns Are Why He Ducked Pacquiao

March 4th, 2012

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By Scoop Malinowski
Now the truth has finally been confirmed by Floyd Mayweather himself: He

[Lebron23]

That's why I believe that a 100% Pacquiao would beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. I love to see Pacquiao vs. Alvarez at the end of the year. ( passing of the torch)

[magic chiongson]

i would prefer any of these guys against alvarez: cotto, chavez jr, james kirkland. i want to watch pacquiao fight the other junior welterweight champs.

[RedBlackAttack]

Funny article. I got about 1/3 of the way through and stopped because it was so poorly written and clearly biased. It honestly sounds like he is trying to convince himself that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather.

It was no surprise, of course, that the website where it is posted is literally infested with Pacquiao promotional banners.

Then there's this...


Mayweather and his advisor Al Haymon manipulate HBO and the public like subordinates. With HBO’s promotional machine at their beck and call, Mayweather and Haymon think they can keep on going for as long as they wish, making easy money safe “fights” via their stooges at HBO and most of the American media.

The irony of that quote coming from a guy promoting the likes of an Arum fighter is about as thick as you will find anywhere. HBO serves as the cheerleaders for Manny Pacquiao, not Floyd Mayweather Jr. Everytime Pacquiao throws a punch, Lampley (who is supposed to be an unbiased announcer) literally nuts in his pants.

But, somehow, this is a network being manipulated by Mayweather?

What a joke. Hope the Pactards enjoyed it, though.

[magic chiongson]

Funny article. I got about 1/3 of the way through and stopped because it was so poorly written and clearly biased. It honestly sounds like he is trying to convince himself that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather.

It was no surprise, of course, that the website where it is posted is literally infested with Pacquiao promotional banners.

Then there's this...



The irony of that quote coming from a guy promoting the likes of an Arum fighter is about as thick as you will find anywhere. HBO serves as the cheerleaders for Manny Pacquiao, not Floyd Mayweather Jr. Everytime Pacquiao throws a punch, Lampley (who is supposed to be an unbiased announcer) literally nuts in his pants.

But, somehow, this is a network being manipulated by Mayweather?

What a joke. Hope the Pactards enjoyed it, though.

i expected no less from you :lol can't deny what mayweather admitted in that interview though, no matter who writes the article

[RedBlackAttack]

i expected no less from you :lol can't deny what mayweather admitted in that interview though, no matter who writes the article
What? :oldlol:

Not sure what any of that has to do with my post? HBO is controlled by Mayweather now... :roll:

Credible article.

[magic chiongson]

the part where mayweather says he he's worried about his health if he were to fight pacquiao

[Lebron23]

Mayweather interview. ( Bob Costas)

http://sportige.com/floyd-mayweather-afraid-manny-pacquiao/

Just click on the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h2MsxXteivM#!

[RedBlackAttack]

"I just tried to get the fight done for May 5, but it got turned down. I got on the phone directly with Manny. I done (sic) my homework. I saw what he was used to making in big fights. I offered him $40 million and I said I would wire him $20 million within 72 hours. The manager said that he would get back to me. A guy by the name of Michael Koncz who told me he was in control. I met with him a couple of times, tried to make the fight happen, then they said they were going another route."

That's what I heard on the video. Those are direct quotes.

All of this talk about splits in the media and who will take what... I don't really give two sh!ts which guy gets what split. Saying that this video is proof that Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao is just a completely biased take. You are taking one comment totally out-of-context and using it as some sort of barometer of 'being scared,' which is silly.

Btw, this is much more talking about the fight by Floyd than I have ever heard from Pacquiao... Who either defers everything to Arum or says something totally cliched with no meaning behind it.

[magic chiongson]

can't change the facts. floyd's been ducking.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Floyd isn't even officially with GBP. He does co-promotions with them. He has his own promotional company. He doesn't answer to anyone.

But, considering just about every big-name elite fighter is with either GBP or Top Rank and Arum pretty much flatly refuses to work with him... Yeah, he tends to fight GBP guys.

Don't even try to make that comparison. Floyd is basically an independent. Pacquiao works for Arum. After every fight when they ask him who he is fighting next, he directs them to Arum. Floyd handpicks his fights.

Totally and completely different.
:oldlol: Mayweather Promotions hold as much merit as Flithy Rich Records. Here's a great article that talks about what Mayweather Promotions really is. They're not even licensed. Pretty much just a front. Nothing like an actual promotion like GBP or Top Rank.
http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/3/5/2848174/what-is-mayweather-promotions-yuriorkis-gamboa

But this is the problem with boxing these days. As fans, we're talking about crap that doesn't have anything to do with actual boxing. What does discussing PPV numbers, purse split, the inner workings of a promotion, ect. ect, do for us as fans? Absolutely nothing. It went from arguing to who has the better jab, to now, where we argue about who makes more money :facepalm. like I'm supposed to be impressed by what these guys do outside the ring.

[Lebron23]

http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-las-vegas/timothy-bradley-insists-he-ll-be-a-handful-for-manny-pacquiao-come-june-9th

Timothy Bradley interview.

[quote]Speaking with RingTV.com

[Lebron23]

Pacquiao needs to leave Top Rank promotions after this fight. I want to see him fight Canelo Alvarez, Floyd Mayweather, and the best fighters under the Golden Boy Promotions.

[Lebron23]

Any good betting websites? Pacquiao is the underdog once again in this fight. I put my money on Pacquiao stopping Bradley in the later rounds.

[iamgine]

Any good betting websites? Pacquiao is the underdog once again in this fight. I put my money on Pacquiao stopping Bradley in the later rounds.
Pacquiao is not the underdog.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Any good betting websites? Pacquiao is the underdog once again in this fight. I put my money on Pacquiao stopping Bradley in the later rounds.
Did a pet monkey tell you that? If so, I'd like to goto his sports book. Manny is the odds favorite at pretty much all the places I've seen. If you can find someone who has Manny as the underdog, let me know, I'll join you.

[$LakerGold]

Any good betting websites? Pacquiao is the underdog once again in this fight. I put my money on Pacquiao stopping Bradley in the later rounds.
:confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

http://www.philstar.com/sportsarticle.aspx?articleid=805164&publicationsubcategoryid=69

Pacquiao hits stride in L.A. workout

[Lebron23]

:confusedshrug:


Posters from Boxing Scene thinks that Pacquiao is already past his prime.

[magic chiongson]

this could turn into pacquiao-morales I if pacquiao bleeds early in the fight and affects his vision

[Lebron23]

this could turn into pacquiao-morales I if pacquiao bleeds early in the fight and affects his vision


Pacquiao is 100% motivated in this fight. He finally found Jesus, and He already stop womanizing. I think Pac will KO Bradley in the later rounds. He's currently destroying his sparring partners.

[Lebron23]

http://www.boxingscene.com/roach-very-pleased-with-pacquiaos-latest-sparring--53208

[IcanzIIravor]

Pacquiao is 100% motivated in this fight. He finally found Jesus, and He already stop womanizing. I think Pac will KO Bradley in the later rounds. He's currently destroying his sparring partners.

He found Jesus coincidentally enough after his wife threatened to leave him due to his...extracurricular activities.

I do think he will beat Bradley though. I'm thinking unanimous decision.