Top 50 players of all-time

[iDefend5]

Who do you think are the top 50 players of all-time? You don't have to order them if you don't want either but I think these are the 50 in no order

In no order...
1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Kobe
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Hakeem
11. Oscar
12. West
13. Dr. J
14. Moses Malone
15. K. Malone
16. Hondo
17. Lebron
18. Wade
19. Dirk
20. Barkley
21. KG
22. Hondo
23. Baylor
24. Pippen
25. Robinson
26. Ewing
27. Drexler
28. Isiah
29. Frazier
30. Pettit
31. R. Barry
32. Stockton
33. Payton
34. Kidd
35. Nash
36. Gervin
37. Pierce
38. Mikan
39. Mchale
40. Wilkins
41. Iverson
42. Mcadoo
43. Reed
44. Gilmore
45. Cowens
46. Cousy
47. Walton
48. Parish
49. Worthy
50. E. Hayes

I can barely think of 10 more.

[Meticode]

Did you purposely leave Iverson out of the top 40 or by accident?

[iDefend5]

Did you purposely leave Iverson out of the top 40 or by accident?
I thought I had him there to be honest, can you think of 9 more worthy?

[Lebron23]

Allen Iverson
Bob Mcadoo (1x NBA MVP, 2x NBA Champion as a role player)
Dominique Wilkins

[iDefend5]

Allen Iverson
Bob Mcadoo (1x NBA MVP, 2x NBA Champion as a role player)
Dominique Wilkins
Good call on Mcadoo but I already have Nique and Iverson. I'm going to add Willis Reed and Artis Gilmore as well.

Does anyone have a dispute with the current list so far though? lol

[TaLvsCuaL]

"Earl The Pearl" Monroe could be in the list in my opinion.

[iDefend5]

I think I'll add Dave Cowens

[SAKOTXA]

Rondo :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Rondo :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


If he wins an MVP someday. I am gonna put him in the top 50 greatest players of all time.

Durant, Rose are gonna be top 50 players of all time at the end of their NBA Career.

[iDefend5]

I'm assuming I'm missing some 50-60s geezers

Bob Cousy?

[Lebron23]

By the way here's TNT next 10 greatest players of all time back in 2005-06 NBA Season.

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Connie Hawkins*
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Bob McAdoo*
Reggie Miller
Gary Payton
Dominique Wilkins*

[Lebron23]

I'm assuming I'm missing some 50-60s geezers

Bob Cousy?

Cousy was a former NBA MVP, and 8x NBA Champion.

[SAKOTXA]

If he wins an MVP someday. I am gonna put him in the top 50 greatest player of all time.

Durant, Rose are gonna be top 50 players of all time at the end of their NBA Career.
Not sure if forgot to switch accounts or stupid enough to think Rondo's career is going to be worth something after KG/Ray/Pierce leave or retire.

[iDefend5]

By the way here's TNT next 10 greatest players of all time back in 2005-06 NBA Season.

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Connie Hawkins*
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Bob McAdoo*
Reggie Miller
Gary Payton
Dominique Wilkins*
Ray > Reggie so no to Reggie.

Who the **** is Connie Hawkins?

[Lebron23]

Not sure if forgot to switch accounts or stupid enough to think Rondo's career is going to be worth something after KG/Ray/Pierce leave or retire.


Rondo is an elite NBA PG. The guy is a better passer than Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook. Celtics are gonna surround him with a younger supporting casts once the Big three retires.

[Lebron23]

Ray > Reggie so no to Reggie.

Who the **** is Connie Hawkins?


http://www.nba.com/history/legends/connie-hawkins/index.html

[bizil]

I think a top 50 list is gonna have to include more players from the 90's and 2000s. Which will piss off some people but oh well! lol My list in no particular order goes:

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Shaq
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Russell
10. Big O
11. Hakeem
12. Dr. J
13. West
14. Hondo
15. Moses
16. Karl Malone
17. Barkley
18. Isiah
19. Rick Barry
20. Elgin Baylor
21. KG
22. Dirk
23. Iverson
24. Payton
25. Frazier
26. Gervin
27. Nash
28. Nique
29. Pippen
30. Reed
31. Monroe
32. Pistol Pete
33. Mikan
34. Kidd
35. Tiny
36. Cousy
37. Robinson
38. Ewing
39. Lebron (yes it is time)
40. Wade (yes it is time)
41. Cowens
42. McAdoo
43. Unseld
44. Drexler
45. Stockton
46. McHale
47. Hayes
48. Sam Jones
49. Pettit
50. Schayes

[Odinn]

It's too hard to rank 50 players but I'll give it a try;

1. Michael Jordan
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Tim Duncan
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Moses Malone
10. Juilus Erving
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Kobe Bryant
13. Karl Malone
14. Charles Barkley
15. Oscar Robertson
16. Jerry West
17. David Robinson
18. Dirk Nowitzki
19. Kevin Garnett
20. LeBron James
21. Elgin Baylor
22. John Havlicek
23. Patrick Ewing
24. Bob Cousy
25. George Mikan
26. Isiah Thomas
27. George Gervin
28. Scottie Pippen
29. Clyde Drexler
30. Dominique Wilkins
31. Elvin Hayes
32. John Stockton
33. Bob Pettit
34. Willis Reed
35. Jason Kidd
36. Walt Frazier
37. Allen Iverson
38. Kevin McHale
39. Dwyane Wade
40. Alex English
41. Gary Payton
42. Steve Nash
43. Bob McAdoo
44. Dwight Howard
45. Bill Walton
46. Chris Webber
47. Adrian Dantley
48. Robert Parish
49. Rick Barry
50. Robert Parish

Do not post about Kobe. I'd say 7-12 range is accurate for him and I have him at #12.

Also there's a highly chance of forgetting someone. But I think this list is pretty solid. At least for me.

[SAKOTXA]

Rondo is an elite NBA PG. The guy is a better passer than Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook. Celtics are gonna surround him with a younger supporting casts once the Big three retires.
It took them 2 decades to recover after their original big three retired/moved to another team. Yea, good luck with that.

[iDefend5]

It's too hard to rank 50 players but I'll give it a try;


Do not post about Kobe. I'd say 7-12 range is accurate for him and I have him at #12.

Also there's a highly chance of forgetting someone. But I think this list is pretty solid. At least for me.
:wtf: I have no idea how or why Dwight Howard is already on there. Pierce should be on there as well.

[WillC]

Ray > Reggie so no to Reggie.

Who the **** is Connie Hawkins?

Wow, way to make yourself look stupid.

Suddenly your Top 50 list is completely irrelevant if you don't even know who Connie Hawkins is.

[pauk]

#1: Michael Jordan
#2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#3: Wilt Chamberlain
#4: Bill Russell
#5: Magic Johnson
#6: Larry Bird
#7: Shaquille O'Neal
#8: Tim Duncan
#9: Hakeem Olajuwon
#10: Kobe Bryant
#11: Oscar Robertson
#12: Jerry West
#13: Moses Malone
#14: Julius Erving
#15: Karl Malone
#16: Lebron James
#17: Dirk Nowitzki
#18: Charles Barkley
#19: Kevin Garnett
#20: David Robinson
#21: Elgin Baylor
#22: Isiah Thomas
#23: Bob Pettit
#24: John Havlicek
#25: George Mikan
#26: Bob Cousy
#27: Elvin Hayes
#28: Rick Barry
#29: Willis Reed
#30: Walt Frazier
#31: Dave Cowens
#32: Dwyane Wade
#33: Scottie Pippen
#34: John Stockton
#35: George Gervin
#36: Kevin McHale
#37: Bob McAdoo
#38: Steve Nash
#39: Jason Kidd
#40: Gary Payton
#41: Allen Iverson
#42: Artis Gilmore
#43: Dominique Wilkins
#44: Clyde Drexler
#45: Robert Parish
#46: Paul Pierce
#47: Bill Walton
#48: Alex English
#49: Nate Archibald
#50: Billy Cunningham


Bold denotes the active players

[La Frescobaldi]

Ray > Reggie so no to Reggie.

Who the **** is Connie Hawkins?

thread just lost all credibility have a nice day

[Lebron23]

Learn some basketball history Rocketsgreatness!!! Stop using your alternate accounts.

[Scholar]

I'll list 50 players in no particular order:

Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kobe Bryant
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone
Shaquille O'Neal
John Stockton
Scottie Pippen
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell (10)
Allen Iverson
Patrick Ewing
Walt Frazier
Clyde Drexler
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
James Worthy
Bob McAdoo
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West (20)
Isiah Thomas
Julius Erving
Tim Hardaway
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Oscar Robertson
Robert Parish
Bob Cousy
Nate Archibald
Rick Barry (30)
George Gervin
John Havlicek
Moses Malone
Kevin McHale
Willis Reed
Lenny Wilkens
Wes Unseld
Kevin Garnett
Reggie Miller
LeBron James (40)
Dwyane Wade
Ray Allen
Jason Kidd
Dirk Nowitzki
Paul Pierce
Nate Thurmond
Pete Maravich
Jerry Lucas
George Mikan
Paul Arizin (50)


There. That's 50 players.

[pauk]

Ray > Reggie so no to Reggie.

Who the **** is Connie Hawkins?

Reggie had a much more electric/charismatic/entertaining career/legacy..... and without him, there would have been no Ray Allen.... considering Ray admit himself he patterned his game after Reggie and watched most of Reggies games to copy his screen tricks & of the ball tricks and so on.....

So much goes for all-star selections when Reggie was no stat filler / stat padder / shotjacker to get more all-star selections amongst SGs in the 90s like Jordan, Mullin, Richmond, Rice, Ellis, Petrovic and so on... it was stacked and i dont think even Ray Allen would have got so many all-star selections there... Reggie was instead an assassin, a specialist, he loved to wait until 4th quarter and score most of his points there, kill the opponents, especially in playoffs and then point fingers & laugh at the guy who lost and had 50 points and stole his all-star spot....

So much goes for 1 championship when Reggie was arguably the most loyal player ever, he didnt ringchase unlike Ray Allen... he was begged millions of times to go to a championship contending team, but he wanted to do something which nobody has ever done before, bring a Championship to Indiana and if not... then die trying...

However the case, its pretty close... but none of them deserve top 50 imo, but they are right there knocking on the door

[97 bulls]

Why has everyone left rodman off? 5 championships, 2 dpoys, the rebounding titles, the all defense teams.

There's alot of guys that shouldn't be on that list before rodman

[pauk]

Why has everyone left rodman off? 5 championships, 2 dpoys, the rebounding titles, the all defense teams.

There's alot of guys that shouldn't be on that list before rodman

Take a look at my list.... would you really leave somebody out for Rodman?

Take the last guy on my list for example... Billy Cunningham...

1 x MVP
1 x NBA Champion
5

[La Frescobaldi]

[QUOTE=pauk]Take a look at my list.... would you really leave somebody out for Rodman?

Take the last guy on my list for example... Billy Cunningham...

1 x MVP
1 x NBA Champion
5

[97 bulls]

[QUOTE=pauk]Take a look at my list.... would you really leave somebody out for Rodman?

Take the last guy on my list for example... Billy Cunningham...

1 x MVP
1 x NBA Champion
5

[rmt]

It's too hard to rank 50 players but I'll give it a try;

1. Michael Jordan
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Tim Duncan
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Moses Malone
10. Juilus Erving
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Kobe Bryant
13. Karl Malone
14. Charles Barkley
15. Oscar Robertson
16. Jerry West
17. David Robinson
18. Dirk Nowitzki
19. Kevin Garnett
20. LeBron James
21. Elgin Baylor
22. John Havlicek
23. Patrick Ewing
24. Bob Cousy
25. George Mikan
26. Isiah Thomas
27. George Gervin
28. Scottie Pippen
29. Clyde Drexler
30. Dominique Wilkins
31. Elvin Hayes
32. John Stockton
33. Bob Pettit
34. Willis Reed
35. Jason Kidd
36. Walt Frazier
37. Allen Iverson
38. Kevin McHale
39. Dwyane Wade
40. Alex English
41. Gary Payton
42. Steve Nash
43. Bob McAdoo
44. Dwight Howard
45. Bill Walton
46. Chris Webber
47. Adrian Dantley
48. Robert Parish
49. Rick Barry
50. Robert Parish

Do not post about Kobe. I'd say 7-12 range is accurate for him and I have him at #12.

Also there's a highly chance of forgetting someone. But I think this list is pretty solid. At least for me.

IMO, Rick Barry is too low.

[WillC]

IMO, Rick Barry is too low.

49th? Ouch, just slightly.

So much wrong with that list...

Hayes over Pettit?

Robert Parish listed twice?

Charles Barkley over Oscar Robertson? (Absolutely insane)

Ewing over Cousy?

Bob McAdoo 43rd but no room for Dave Cowens or Nate Thurmond?

[StateOfMind12]

I'm glad a decent amount of you understand that Pierce is a top 50 player of all-time because he is.

:applause: to pauk's list. I don't agree with the order but that was a pretty damn good top 50, so props.

I didn't think you would have Kobe in your top 10 either so I guess you were trolling all this time. :oldlol:

The only problem with the top 50 is where to put the 50s and 60s guys.

I would have no problem constructing a top 50 filled with players post 80s and then the legends of the 50s, 60s, 70s such as Wilt, Russell, Frazier, etc. but bringing in guys like Schayes, Arizin, Cunningham, etc. in the conversation is ultimately what makes it tough.

The top 10 is universal and the order is different for everyone so here is what I got from 11-25

#11: Julius Erving
#12: Jerry West
#13: Oscar Robertson
#14: Moses Malone
#15: Karl Malone
#16: Kevin Garnett
#17: Dirk Nowitzki
#18: David Robinson
#19: Dwyane Wade
#20: LeBron James
#21: Charles Barkley
#22: Bob Pettit
#23: Scottie Pippen
#24: John Havlicek
#25: Walt Frazier


Why is mchale rankked higher than rodman? Jason kidd, paul pierce, walt frasier. What did they do to be ranked higher than rodman? They're no where near on rodmans level as far as accomplishments


Why has everyone left rodman off? 5 championships, 2 dpoys, the rebounding titles, the all defense teams.

There's alot of guys that shouldn't be on that list before rodman


Because all-time rankings go beyond accomplishments, it is also about their play, how effective their play was, how productive they were, etc. Rodman was not an offensive player which is what ultimately hurts him and makes him not in the discussion otherwise Ben Wallace would probably be on this top 50 list as well.

Rodman was a one way player and he played on the side that gets under appreciated the most.

[inclinerator]

u forgot lin

number 1

[97 bulls]

I'm glad a decent amount of you understand that Pierce is a top 50 player of all-time because he is.

:applause: to pauk's list. I don't agree with the order but that was a pretty damn good top 50, so props.

I didn't think you would have Kobe in your top 10 either so I guess you were trolling all this time. :oldlol:

The only problem with the top 50 is where to put the 50s and 60s guys.

I would have no problem constructing a top 50 filled with players post 80s and then the legends of the 50s, 60s, 70s such as Wilt, Russell, Frazier, etc. but bringing in guys like Schayes, Arizin, Cunningham, etc. in the conversation is ultimately what makes it tough.

The top 10 is universal and the order is different for everyone so here is what I got from 11-20

#11: Julius Erving
#12: Jerry West
#13: Oscar Robertson
#14: Moses Malone
#15: Karl Malone
#16: Kevin Garnett
#17: David Robinson
#18: Dirk Nowitzki
#19: LeBron James
#20: Charles Barkley







Because all-time rankings go beyond accomplishments, it is also about their play, how effective their play was, how productive they were, etc. Rodman was not an offensive player which is what ultimately hurts him and makes him not in the discussion otherwise Ben Wallace would probably be on this top 50 list as well.

Rodman was a one way player and he played on the side that gets under appreciated the most.
Wallace should be there too. And I don't understand why you comment on rodman "play", he was a great player. And he was extremely impactfull. Sure he didn't score, but guys like barkley didn't play defense.

The bottom line is dennis rodman got thhe job done and done at a high level

[guy]

I'll take a stab. Since alot of players I haven't seen play, I am mostly going by their achievements and what I've read about their impact on the league. I am taking ABA into account as well.

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. Wilt
8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Kobe
11. Dr. J
12. Moses
13. Oscar
14. West
15. Isiah
16. Malone
17. KG
18. Barkley
19. Dirk
20. Barry
21. Lebron
22. Wade
23, Baylor
24. Havlicek
25. Robinson
26. Pettit
27. Cousy
28. Mikan
29. Ewing
30. Stockton
31. Drexler
32. Pippen
33. Kidd
34. Nash
35. Pierce
36. Iverson
37. Nique
38. Gervin
39. McHale
40. Schayes
41. Howard
42. Frazier
43. Reed
44. Unseld
45. Hayes
46. McAdoo
47. Walton
48. Cowens
49. Allen
50. T-Mac

[iDefend5]

50. T-Mac
Was he just first one to come in mind or something? McGrady is definitely not top 50.

[Gotterdammerung]

If he wins an MVP someday. I am gonna put him in the top 50 greatest players of all time.
You really are an idiot. :facepalm


Durant, Rose are gonna be top 50 players of all time at the end of their NBA Career.
If they remain healthy. Not a sure fire bet. :no:

Many said the same of McGrady and Francis early in their careers.

[iDefend5]

I got my 50 set, will have to arrange sometime though.

[Meticode]

I thought I had him there to be honest, can you think of 9 more worthy?
I honestly don't know, it's your list man. I don't don't look at anything past 10 top on my list, I'm just wondering if Iverson deserves to be in the top 40, certainly top 50 at least, I just don't know where.

[guy]

Was he just first one to come in mind or something? McGrady is definitely not top 50.

Some of it is my own bias cause he's one of my favorite players ever, and plus I just got kind of lazy in the end. But I can't think of anyone else that is 100% definitely ahead of him. Maybe there is, and it just flew by my mind, but I can't think of one. First of all, I definitely don't have anyone from his era that isn't ahead of him but should be. I have Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, Kidd, Nash, Iverson, Pierce, Allen, Lebron, Wade, and Howard ahead of him. I don't see why anyone else from his era should be ahead of him. And then from other eras I can't think of anyone. T-Mac is a 7-time All-NBA player and a 7-time All-Star. There's not that many players that have done that, and I think people might overestimate how many players have actually done that.

I feel like in these lists we sometimes overestimate or underestimate just how many great players have been in the league depending on who the specific player is we're talking about.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#1: Michael Jordan
#2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#3: Wilt Chamberlain
#4: Bill Russell
#5: Magic Johnson
#6: Larry Bird
#7: Shaquille O'Neal
#8: Tim Duncan
#9: Hakeem Olajuwon
#10: Kobe Bryant
#11: Oscar Robertson
#12: Jerry West
#13: Moses Malone
#14: Julius Erving
#15: Karl Malone
#16: Lebron James
#17: Dirk Nowitzki
#18: Charles Barkley
#19: Kevin Garnett
#20: David Robinson
#21: Elgin Baylor
#22: Isiah Thomas
#23: Bob Pettit
#24: John Havlicek
#25: George Mikan
#26: Bob Cousy
#27: Elvin Hayes
#28: Rick Barry
#29: Willis Reed
#30: Walt Frazier
#31: Dave Cowens
#32: Dwyane Wade
#33: Scottie Pippen
#34: John Stockton
#35: George Gervin
#36: Kevin McHale
#37: Bob McAdoo
#38: Steve Nash
#39: Jason Kidd
#40: Gary Payton
#41: Allen Iverson
#42: Artis Gilmore
#43: Dominique Wilkins
#44: Clyde Drexler
#45: Robert Parish
#46: Paul Pierce
#47: Bill Walton
#48: Alex English
#49: Nate Archibald
#50: Billy Cunningham


Bold denotes the active players

:eek: Kobe is in your top 10?
WTF he is a shotjacking ballhog chucker that has team accomplishments and isn't top 10 in PER

[StateOfMind12]

Wallace should be there too. And I don't understand why you comment on rodman "play", he was a great player. And he was extremely impactfull. Sure he didn't score, but guys like barkley didn't play defense.

The bottom line is dennis rodman got thhe job done and done at a high level
As long as your logic is consistent and not hypocritical to defend your favorite player than that is fine. I updated my top 25 from my post earlier.

The top 10 is set and stone with the same old and same old players so here is my top 25 of all-time from 11-25.

#11: Julius Erving
#12: Jerry West
#13: Oscar Robertson
#14: Moses Malone
#15: Karl Malone
#16: Kevin Garnett
#17: Dirk Nowitzki
#18: David Robinson
#19: Dwyane Wade
#20: LeBron James
#21: Charles Barkley
#22: Bob Pettit
#23: Scottie Pippen
#24: John Havlicek
#25: Walt Frazier

[Kews1]

As long as your logic is consistent and not hypocritical to defend your favorite player than that is fine. I updated my top 25 from my post earlier.

The top 10 is set and stone with the same old and same old players so here is my top 25 of all-time from 11-25.

#11: Julius Erving
#12: Jerry West
#13: Oscar Robertson
#14: Moses Malone
#15: Karl Malone
#16: Kevin Garnett
#17: Dirk Nowitzki
#18: David Robinson
#19: Dwyane Wade
#20: LeBron James
#21: Charles Barkley
#22: Bob Pettit
#23: Scottie Pippen
#24: John Havlicek
#25: Walt Frazier

Everything looks ok but Dwade over LBJ...really?

[Owl]

[Rick Barry] 49th? Ouch, just slightly [low].

So much wrong with that list...

Hayes over Pettit?

Robert Parish listed twice?

Charles Barkley over Oscar Robertson? (Absolutely insane)

Ewing over Cousy?

Bob McAdoo 43rd but no room for Dave Cowens or Nate Thurmond?
Absolutely agree with the bolded.

Ewing over Cousy could make sense depending on
(1) What sort of era adjuctment you're doing. Put Cousy in a time machine into the 90's and he's nothing special. But he was influential, he was excellent for his time.
(2) Depends how much you credit Cousy with stuff that was invented by Bob Davies and Marques Haynes. Cousy was amongst the first great pgs, but he sometimes seems to overshadow others from the era.
(3) Depends whether you think Cousy's MVP is legit. I figure he was credited with the improvement that came with the arrival of Heinsohn and Russell.
Still it's controversial (Ewing over Cousy), but I can see an argument for it.

Cowens surely should be in there, McAdoo and Thurmond are probably both borderline for top 50 so I can't get too mad at where they are (or aren't).

Personally I was surprised to see English, Webber and Dantley in there.

[bwink23]

Who do you think are the top 50 players of all-time? You don't have to order them if you don't want either but I think these are the 50 in no order

In no order...
1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Kobe
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Hakeem
11. Oscar
12. West
13. Dr. J
14. Moses Malone
15. K. Malone
16. Hondo
17. Lebron
18. Wade
19. Dirk
20. Barkley
21. KG
22. Hondo
23. Baylor
24. Pippen
25. Robinson
26. Ewing
27. Drexler
28. Isiah
29. Frazier
30. Pettit
31. R. Barry
32. Stockton
33. Payton
34. Kidd
35. Nash
36. Gervin
37. Pierce
38. Mikan
39. Mchale
40. Wilkins
41. Iverson
42. Mcadoo
43. Reed
44. Gilmore
45. Cowens
46. Cousy
47. Walton
48. Parish
49. Worthy
50. E. Hayes

I can barely think of 10 more.


I don't believe for one second this is YOUR list...nice try though son.....:lol

[iDefend5]

I don't believe for one second this is YOUR list...nice try though son.....:lol
Good point, I have Kobe above Jordan./

[charlesf3]

Is this really going to post or do I get that message again??

[charlesf3]

Is this really going to post or do I get that message again??

I did it, I think?

[iDefend5]

You really are an idiot. :facepalm


If they remain healthy. Not a sure fire bet. :no:

Many said the same of McGrady and Francis early in their careers.
What is your top 50?

[StateOfMind12]

I don't see why anyone else from his era should be ahead of him. And then from other eras I can't think of anyone.

James Worthy, Robert Parish, Alonzo Mourning, Vince Carter, and maybe even Chris Paul or Kevin Johnson should be ahead of him. Mourning for sure and the other guys should definitely be but I would understand a McGrady argument over them although I'm sure there would be a flaw in there somewhere.

I actually have all of those guys ahead of them then again McGrady is probably not even in my top 75 because there is nobody I hate in NBA history more than him.


T-Mac is a 7-time All-NBA player and a 7-time All-Star. There's not that many players that have done that, and I think people might overestimate how many players have actually done that.

Why are you relying on All-NBA teams and All-star appearances to determine greatness? All-NBA teams is nothing more than a bunch of opinions complied up by the media and by writers. You are ultimately forming your own top 50 using your own opinion so why should you use someone else's opinion to do that? All-NBA teams are a worthless accomplishment/accolade.



I feel like in these lists we sometimes overestimate or underestimate just how many great players have been in the league depending on who the specific player is we're talking about.
I agree...

[Fudge]

McGrady is borderline top 50. I agree with some of the players you listed stateofmind. Worthy, Parish and Zo should definitely be ahead of him. But then you listed Chris Paul. He's done absolutely nothing (just yet) to be considered a top50PoAT.

[guy]

James Worthy, Robert Parish, Alonzo Mourning, Vince Carter, and maybe even Chris Paul or Kevin Johnson should be ahead of him. Mourning for sure and the other guys should definitely be but I would understand a McGrady argument over them although I'm sure there would be a flaw in there somewhere.

I actually have all of those guys ahead of them then again McGrady is probably not even in my top 75 because there is nobody I hate in NBA history more than him.

Vince Carter definitely has not been as great as T-Mac. They both are underachievers, neither were elite/all-star level that much more longer then the other, but T-Mac was definitely better in this prime. Nobody ever argued for Vince as the best player in the league, best perimeter player in the league, a top 5 player in the league, etc.

Chris Paul hasn't been around long enough nor has he accomplished anything that significant like Lebron, Wade, and Howard have. So far, his prime hasn't been definitely better then T-Mac's either.

KJ and Zo's career were very much like T-Mac's in that they were riddled with injuries that stopped them from reaching their full potential. I don't they were ever as good as T-Mac at his best.

If T-Mac got to play as the 3rd option on teams led by Magic/Kareem and Bird/McHale, good chance he has 3-4 rings as well and his labeling as a loser isn't there.

I'm not saying any of the above can't be argued ahead of T-Mac. For example, you could possibly say Worthy, Parish, KJ, and Zo had a lesser ego and played a style that was more team-oriented allowing for their teammates to flourish more. I just don't necessarily agree with or think that thats inarguable. I don't think T-Mac was good enough to lead a team to a title in most cases, but when we're talking about the 50+ range, we're beyond that.



Why are you relying on All-NBA teams and All-star appearances to determine greatness? All-NBA teams is nothing more than a bunch of opinions complied up by the media and by writers. You are ultimately forming your own top 50 using your own opinion so why should you use someone else's opinion to do that? All-NBA teams are a worthless accomplishment/accolade.


I'm not relying on it. I'm mentioning it to give an idea just how great he was and how alot of players haven't accomplished that. Alot more then people realize. Its not the end all be all.



I agree...

And in this case for you to say he's not even top 75, I believe you're overestimating how many great players there have been.

[JMT]

McGrady is borderline top 50.

:facepalm

[feyki]

26 - Rick Barry
27 - Ewing
28 - Isiah
29 - Drex
30 - Frazier
31 - Pippen
32 - Stockton
33 - Pierce
34 - Iverson
35 - Gilmore
36 - Nash
37 - Cowens
38 - Kidd
39 - Payton
40 - Thurmond
41 - CP3
42 - Dolph Schayes
43 - Bob Cousy
44 - Wes Unseld
45 - Bob Davies
46 - Elvin Hayes
47 - Reggie Miller
48 - Leroy Edwards
49 - Wilkins
50 - McAdoo/McDermott/Durant

[ShawkFactory]

Damn.

Back when this place wasn't just a troll fest.

[RRR3]

26 - Rick Barry
27 - Ewing
28 - Isiah
29 - Drex
30 - Frazier
31 - Pippen
32 - Stockton
33 - Pierce
34 - Iverson
35 - Gilmore
36 - Nash
37 - Cowens
38 - Kidd
39 - Payton
40 - Thurmond
41 - CP3
42 - Dolph Schayes
43 - Bob Cousy
44 - Wes Unseld
45 - Bob Davies
46 - Elvin Hayes
47 - Reggie Miller
48 - Leroy Edwards
49 - Wilkins
50 - McAdoo/McDermott/Durant
Leroy Edwards never played in the NBA. Doug McDermott sucks. Wtf are you smoking?

[feyki]

Leroy Edwards never played in the NBA. Doug McDermott sucks. Wtf are you smoking?

:oldlol: Mcdermott is Bobby McDermott , ain't Doug .

I didn't say only NBA careers .

[feyki]

Damn.

Back when this place wasn't just a troll fest.

Yes , unfortunately . I did join this forum for talking about nba history and then the forum turned trash . Cursed feyki :( .

[ArbitraryWater]

Leroy Edwards never played in the NBA. Doug McDermott sucks. Wtf are you smoking?

seriously? :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Who do you think are the top 50 players of all-time? You don't have to order them if you don't want either but I think these are the 50 in no order

In no order...
1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Kobe
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Hakeem
11. Oscar
12. West
13. Dr. J
14. Moses Malone
15. K. Malone
16. Hondo
17. Lebron
18. Wade
19. Dirk
20. Barkley
21. KG
22. Hondo
23. Baylor
24. Pippen
25. Robinson
26. Ewing
27. Drexler
28. Isiah
29. Frazier
30. Pettit
31. R. Barry
32. Stockton
33. Payton
34. Kidd
35. Nash
36. Gervin
37. Pierce
38. Mikan
39. Mchale
40. Wilkins
41. Iverson
42. Mcadoo
43. Reed
44. Gilmore
45. Cowens
46. Cousy
47. Walton
48. Parish
49. Worthy
50. E. Hayes

I can barely think of 10 more.

goes on to order

[ArbitraryWater]

I guess anyone who still had KG a measly 1 spot over Dirk, surely has now changed their opinion.

[RRR3]

I guess anyone who still had KG a measly 1 spot over Dirk, surely has now changed their opinion.
Stop acting like it's ridiculous to rank KG over Dirk, Jesus Christ.




@feyki, ok, IDK why you're listing players from the 30's, though, when the game was in its infancy compared to today.

[feyki]

Stop acting like it's ridiculous to rank KG over Dirk, Jesus Christ.




@feyki, ok, IDK why you're listing players from the 30's, though, when the game was in its infancy compared to today.

I don't know too . But i guess , i'm trying to be fair . Game was different for sure . But game will be different for sure too :D .

And i don't have many data for judging before NBL . I really need deep search for ABL Legends .

[Young X]

KG > Dirk

[KiiiiNG]

KG > Dirk
Durant > both

[Nilocon165]

Durant > both
No.

Durant: 1 MVP

KG: 1 MVP, 1 Championship

Dirk: 1 MVP, 1 FMVP, 1 Championship

[ArbitraryWater]

Stop acting like it's ridiculous to rank KG over Dirk, Jesus Christ.




@feyki, ok, IDK why you're listing players from the 30's, though, when the game was in its infancy compared to today.

Im saying because everyone that does, has it by 1 spot... so yea, use your head next tim.

[KiiiiNG]

No.

Durant: 1 MVP

KG: 1 MVP, 1 Championship

Dirk: 1 MVP, 1 FMVP, 1 Championship
Durant finished top 2 in MVP voting four of the five years before he was injured. Finished top 5 this last year. Has 4 scoring titles while both of those guys have ZERO.

Dirk and KG didn't win a ring until later in their careers... and everybody knows Durant will finish with more than double what those two have combined. Durant's already higher than both, but in like 3 years it won't even be a discussion. :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

HILARIOUS to see a lot of the people that had Kobe high and Bran low are seemingly permanently banned.

This is EXACTLY what the media/websites like this/trolls love to do...shut down reality, and disregard anyone that tells the truth.

SILENCE the truth and live in your FANTASY, but the truth will remain and you'll still be unfulfilled because you can't even acknowledge reality.

[talkingconch]

HILARIOUS to see a lot of the people that had Kobe high and Bran low are seemingly permanently banned.

This is EXACTLY what the media/websites like this/trolls love to do...shut down reality, and disregard anyone that tells the truth.

SILENCE the truth and live in your FANTASY, but the truth will remain and you'll still be unfulfilled because you can't even acknowledge reality.
Kobe > Lebron

[Young X]

Durant > bothNo.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe > Lebron

That's not even a discussion.

July 8th, 2010, and July 11th, 2014 put that to rest.

You can't cowardly run and build multiple super teams and be respected with the likes of Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan.

[NBAGOAT]

Durant finished top 2 in MVP voting four of the five years before he was injured. Finished top 5 this last year. Has 4 scoring titles while both of those guys have ZERO.

Dirk and KG didn't win a ring until later in their careers... and everybody knows Durant will finish with more than double what those two have combined. Durant's already higher than both, but in like 3 years it won't even be a discussion. :oldlol:

Durant could definitely finish with more titles but for now has none. KG's one of the best all around players of all time so yea KD being just a better scorer isn't everything when you consider KG's better on defense and even a better playmaker. Just looking at ppg is going underrate Dirk's offense and how much impact he provides with his spacing. Almost every offense Dirk has been on is top 10 and most are top 5 even with not great supporting casts besides Nash/Finley. Durant's had Westbrook his whole career.

[KiiiiNG]

Durant could definitely finish with more titles but for now has none. KG's one of the best all around players of all time so yea KD being just a better scorer isn't everything when you consider KG's better on defense and even a better playmaker. Just looking at ppg is going underrate Dirk's offense and how much impact he provides with his spacing. Almost every offense Dirk has been on is top 10 and most are top 5 even with not great supporting casts besides Nash/Finley. Durant's had Westbrook his whole career.
KG career playoff stats: 20/10/3

Durant career playoff stats: 29/8/4

Obviously stats don't tell the whole story, and KG has slightly more defensive impact. But the stats do favor KD considerably. And also, that ring in Boston doesn't mean that much without a FMVP. 1 FMVP for Durant and he's comfortably ahead of KG.

Dirk: 25/10/2

1 FMVP 1 MVP

Multiple chokes (including a 22ppg on 39% finals in 2006.... yikes.... didn't even play well in 2011 finals - scored 26ppg on 41%)

You can downplay scoring titles all you want, because it doesn't fit your argument. Dirk's a scorer... stop with the horseshit... Durant is not only a better career scorer in regular season and postseason, but he's also a more versatile player by a long-shot, at least with KG it's close....

[NBAGOAT]

KG career playoff stats: 20/10/3

Durant career playoff stats: 29/8/4

Obviously stats don't tell the whole story, and KG has slightly more defensive impact. But the stats do favor KD considerably. And also, that ring in Boston doesn't mean that much without a FMVP. 1 FMVP for Durant and he's comfortably ahead of KG.

Dirk: 25/10/2

1 FMVP 1 MVP

Multiple chokes (including a 22ppg on 39% finals in 2006.... yikes.... didn't even play well in 2011 finals - scored 26ppg on 41%)

You can downplay scoring titles all you want, because it doesn't fit your argument. Dirk's a scorer... stop with the horseshit... Durant is not only a better career scorer in regular season and postseason, but he's also a more versatile player by a long-shot, at least with KG it's close....

:oldlol: talk about underselling. Ik KD's a better scorer, I'm just saying Dirk's one of those guys underrated by the box score. His offenses always do well. Terry/Howard/Stackhouse isn't that great yet those Mavs teams were always near the top of the league in offense. Even his recent teams with mainly just Monta was top 5 in 14 and 15 even if a lot of that is Carlisle. Anyway, KD's main problem for now is longevity since he only has 7-8 quality years. You can't put him over KG or Dirk who have like 15 if their primes are close to comparable which they are to KD's/

[feyki]

26 - Rick Barry
27 - Ewing
28 - Isiah
29 - Drex
30 - Frazier
31 - Pippen
32 - Stockton
33 - Pierce
34 - Iverson
35 - Gilmore
36 - Nash
37 - Cowens
38 - Kidd
39 - Payton
40 - Thurmond
41 - CP3
42 - Dolph Schayes
43 - Bob Cousy
44 - Wes Unseld
45 - Bob Davies
46 - Elvin Hayes
47 - Reggie Miller
48 - Leroy Edwards
49 - Wilkins
50 - McAdoo/McDermott/Durant

Oops , i forgot a few names ..

36 - Gervin
37 - Nash
38 - Cowens
39 - Kidd
40 - Thurmond
41 - Payton
42 - Wes
43 - CP3
44 - Hayes
45 - Cousy
46 - Schayes
47 - Reggie
48 - Lanier
49 - Arizin
50 - Reed/Sam Jones