SNL's Jeremy Lin sketch

[bagelred]

http://deadspin.com/5886296/

Wow. An actual SNL sketch with some astute observations about the current double standard of Political Correctness. And it was actually kinda funny.

It's ok to make fun of Asians, but NEVER joke about black people.

Impressed. :applause:

[Go Getter]

http://deadspin.com/5886296/

Wow. An actual SNL sketch with some astute observations about the current double standard of Political Correctness. And it was actually kinda funny.

It's ok to make fun of Asians, but NEVER joke about black people.

Impressed. :applause:
You sound stupid as hell.


People joke on blacks all the time. Before Obama was potus, it was anti american to make jokes during war.....after Obama that went out the door. This whole board mocks and diminishes blacks all the time. There used to be a "hey let's look at how stupid black people act" thread on the first page of the OTC everyday.


The jokes about Lin's race or heritage are distasteful and corny....especially the puns. ESPN took down the line about ****** in the armor hours after it was posted.


Stop making bullshit claims without backing them up.....if you want to make jokes about blacks or Asians behind your computer no one is stopping you but don't act like blacks are protected or unreasonably sensitive about race.

[Meticode]

I cracked up a little when he said "Kobe's like, "Hey, I ordered fried chicken." :oldlol:

[Yung D-Will]

I enjoyed it. Definitely (As an Afro-American myself) I do find it funny how quickly some of the blacks around me get offended whenever a White person makes a black joke or uses the "N" word ( Especially considering that they use it half of the time) . It's actually funny cause I have asian friends, White friends and Spanish friends and we make race jokes about each other all the time and we all find overly sensitive people extremely annoying.

[Meticode]

I enjoyed it. Definitely (As an Afro-American myself) I do find it funny how quickly some of the blacks around me get offended whenever a White person makes a black joke or uses the "N" word ( Especially considering that they use it half of the time) . It's actually funny cause I have asian friends, White friends and Spanish friends and we make race jokes about each other all the time and we all find overly sensitive people extremely annoying.
It's good that you make jokes, no matter what you do we're always going to be different races. That's part of what makes us all different, but it's all an equal quality. I think some people just need to get the hell over it and take care of their grown man feelings.

[Yung D-Will]

It's good that you make jokes, no matter what you do we're always going to be different races. That's part of what makes us all different, but it's all an equal quality. I think some people just need to get the hell over it and take care of their grown man feelings.

Exactly I can understand the older generation being racially sensitive because they did live through extreme racism in the states( especially Blacks, Asians and Latinos) but I personally feel blessed that I've never made the color of someones skin or their cultural backround an important aspect of my life (Because of the generation I grew up in). Hopefully my future kids do the same thing.

[Burgz]

You sound stupid as hell.


People joke on blacks all the time. Before Obama was potus, it was anti american to make jokes during war.....after Obama that went out the door. This whole board mocked and diminishes blacks all the time. There used to be a "hey let's look at how stupid black people act" thread on the first page of the OTC everyday.


The jokes about Lin's race or heritage are distasteful and corny....especially the puns. ESPN took down the line about ****** in the armor hours after it was posted.


Stop making bullshit claims without backing them up.....if you want to make jokes about blacks or Asians behind your computer no one is stopping you but don't act like blacks are protected or unreasonably sensitive about race.

you obviously dont know what sarcasm is if you thought he was serious

[Vienceslav]

That was good. :lol
Esp. the part where they bang the gong , i can totally see ESPN doing that if the Knicks win against the Mavs tonight. :roll:

[Shepseskaf]

You sound stupid as hell.


People joke on blacks all the time. Before Obama was potus, it was anti american to make jokes during war.....after Obama that went out the door. This whole board mocked and diminishes blacks all the time. There used to be a "hey let's look at how stupid black people act" thread on the first page of the OTC everyday.


The jokes about Lin's race or heritage are distasteful and corny....especially the puns. ESPN took down the line about ****** in the armor hours after it was posted.


Stop making bullshit claims without backing them up.....if you want to make jokes about blacks or Asians behind your computer no one is stopping you but don't act like blacks are protected or unreasonably sensitive about race.
:applause:


you obviously dont know what sarcasm is if you thought he was serious
I'm not too sure it actually was sarcasm.

[pauk]

lmfao @ the Kung Fu movie audio dubbing of Lins interview

"Haha It was a great honor to throw the ball today, better than throwing stones! Soon i will try my Tiger Claw technique! Go!"

[Go Getter]

you obviously dont know what sarcasm is if you thought he was serious
C'mon now, the sentiment is out there. It was just stated in another thread and I really don't want to get into a racial discussion but let's be frank.

It's a racial thing that makes Lin so popular, what makes his hype so strong.

The whole thing stinks which sucks because I think Lin is a good guy.

A couple guys in the league I could care less for because I don't like their attitude and demeanor as people. If they get made fun of who cares, not I. But dude deserves a shot to make it on his own merit I'm sure he's already had about enough of the stupid like jokes and comments.

I don't like the stupid puns, I don't like putting him on a pedestal, I don't like stupid Lin threads all over the board. I do like seeing old people and people that don't watch basketball getting into the game. I do like the Knicks winning, **** it, Linning games.

I'm not going to like what happens when he comes down to Earth (who knows though right Knick's fans?), and believe me, ALL athletes do, and it's rarely a cushy fall.

[Go Getter]

It's good that you make jokes, no matter what you do we're always going to be different races. That's part of what makes us all different, but it's all an equal quality. I think some people just need to get the hell over it and take care of their grown man feelings.


Easy for you to say growing up with a modicum of money and privilege isn't it?

[bagelred]

If Jason Whitlock was white and Jeremy Lin was black, and he made a similar racial joke tweet about Lin? He would be fired IMMEDIATELY. Not even a question.

But a weak apology later, and its all good....no firing of Whitlock.

No sarcasm. Black people are easily the most sensitive group, yet would have no problem with Asian jokes. That's what the SNL sketch is outlining in comical form, but its based on truth.

Everyone seems to know this, but noone talks about it.

[ILLsmak]

On the other hand, the whole lin pun especially linning is kind of a thinly veiled racist joke in itself.

-smak

[Yung D-Will]

Easy for you to say growing up with a modicum of money and privilege isn't it?

I'm middle class and everything he said is accurate. It's not about "privilege" it's about "Over sensitivity" Stop mixing the two and actually make a point for once. I swear this is exactly like the Nash threads where you bring up irrelevant things but don't make a point.

[get these NETS]

If Jason Whitlock was white and Jeremy Lin was black, and he made a similar racial joke tweet about Lin? He would be fired IMMEDIATELY. Not even a question.

But a weak apology later, and its all good....no firing of Whitlock.

No sarcasm. Black people are easily the most sensitive group, yet would have no problem with Asian jokes. That's what the SNL sketch is outlining in comical form, but its based on truth.

Everyone seems to know this, but noone talks about it.

let's really talk about though. let's cut to the chase

ever heard the term "model minority"?

seriously, no google..have you heard the term used in your life?

if so who is usually saying it and who is it usually referring to?

[305Baller]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsyngdqPtH1qi4qbso1_500.gif

[bagelred]

let's really talk about though. let's cut to the chase
ever heard the term "model minority"?
seriously, no google..have you heard the term used in your life?
if so who is usually saying it and who is it usually referring to?

I'm not sure the point you are making.

[Go Getter]

If Jason Whitlock was white and Jeremy Lin was black, and he made a similar racial joke tweet about Lin? He would be fired IMMEDIATELY. Not even a question.

But a weak apology later, and its all good....no firing of Whitlock.

No sarcasm. Black people are easily the most sensitive group, yet would have no problem with Asian jokes. That's what the SNL sketch is outlining in comical form, but its based on truth.

Everyone seems to know this, but noone talks about it.


Black people are easily the most sensitive group?

Black women are easily the strongest group of people on the planet my ancestors put up with shit that would have broken most people. Even these days, if white people got treated like blacks they'd be crying and bitching and moaning all goddamn day.

"White people" complain and bitch and moan and protest over every damn thing and what's worse is you complain and blame everything but the western culture that YOUR ancestors created. It's ****ing crazy.

If black people are sensitive, outrageous, outspoken, etc, etc, it's because America made us that way. My pops was the first man in my lineage to have the opportunity to go to college. When he was born blacks weren't allowed to go to his state college.

You couldn't put yourself in my shoes, I wouldn't put myself in yours or claim to know your personal struggle. You don't even KNOW (and I mean a deeper form of knowing) black people. If you think there is inequity in America in FAVOR of blacks you're an idiot beyond educating.

[bagelred]

Black people are easily the most sensitive group?

Black women are easily the strongest group of people on the planet my ancestors put up with shit that would have broken most people. Even these days, if white people got treated like blacks they'd be crying and bitching and moaning all goddamn day.

"White people" complain and bitch and moan and protest over every damn thing and what's worse is you complain and blame everything but the western culture that YOUR ancestors created. It's ****ing crazy.

If black people are sensitive, outrageous, outspoken, etc, etc, it's because America made us that way. My pops was the first man in my lineage to have the opportunity to go to college. When he was born blacks weren't allowed to go to his state college.

You couldn't put yourself in my shoes, I wouldn't put myself in yours or claim to know your personal struggle. You don't even KNOW (and I mean a deeper form of knowing) black people. If you think there is inequity in America in FAVOR of blacks you're an idiot beyond educating.

Discuss it later. Let's enjoy some Linsanity this afternoon.:cheers:

[Nevaeh]

Black people are easily the most sensitive group?

Black women are easily the strongest group of people on the planet my ancestors put up with shit that would have broken most people. Even these days, if white people got treated like blacks they'd be crying and bitching and moaning all goddamn day.

"White people" complain and bitch and moan and protest over every damn thing and what's worse is you complain and blame everything but the western culture that YOUR ancestors created. It's ****ing crazy.

If black people are sensitive, outrageous, outspoken, etc, etc, it's because America made us that way. My pops was the first man in my lineage to have the opportunity to go to college. When he was born blacks weren't allowed to go to his state college.

You couldn't put yourself in my shoes, I wouldn't put myself in yours or claim to know your personal struggle. You don't even KNOW (and I mean a deeper form of knowing) black people. If you think there is inequity in America in FAVOR of blacks you're an idiot beyond educating.

Great post. All you have to do is watch the Roots mini-series to get a snapshot of what we, as a people, had to endure. Watch that, and then tell why Black people shouldn't have a chip on their shoulder. This past week's Whitney Houston coverage is a perfect example of why I stopped fncking with the "Main Stream" media.

[wang4three]

http://deadspin.com/5886296/

Wow. An actual SNL sketch with some astute observations about the current double standard of Political Correctness. And it was actually kinda funny.

It's ok to make fun of Asians, but NEVER joke about black people.

Impressed. :applause:

This is somewhat true and it stems from the assimilation role that Asian Americans have taken in US society. They don't have the united power that other racial minorities have. Asians are also one of, if not the worse, in voter turn out so political groups are less inclined to appeal to them.

It's somewhat a cultural norm to be ok poking fun at Asians in public while people are more cognizant when they do that with other minority groups. Few things unite us and fewer people really stand for our interests. Hopefully that changes moving forward.

[get these NETS]

I'm not sure the point you are making.

This is a country of immigrants.
Condescending politicans,writers,etc have referred to Asian Americans (China, Korea, Japan) as "model minorities"

partially because of the academic and career success that immigrants from these countries have and that Americans from these heritages have..

also partially because historically Americans from these backgrounds haven't been as vocal or as visibly vocal challenging the status quo, racist depictions of them in mainstream american culture as other minority groups.

There's history of ugly ugly demeaning stereotypes of all groups that fall outside of w.a.s.p in american culture......jews,catholics, blacks, asians,etc,etc,

Jews and Blacks have organizations that fought to remove these ugly ugly stereotypes from films,tv,ads,etc and step up to challenge when somebody today tries to go back to those days when it was "accepted" to make fun of one of those groups and nothing happened.


Asians....not as concerned..from organizational standpoint about these things....or don't have longtime organizations in place to challenge blatant or indirect cultural disrespect.


Model minority...studies hard ..achieves....doesn't complain about anything...
there's a comfort level in mainstream to say certain things about particular groups VERSUS other groups.

[3peated]

that skit was awesome.

[Go Getter]

This is a country of immigrants.
Condescending politicans,writers,etc have referred to Asian Americans (China, Korea, Japan) as "model minorities"

partially because of the academic and career success that immigrants from these countries have and that Americans from these heritages have..

also partially because historically Americans from these backgrounds haven't been as vocal or as visibly vocal challenging the status quo, racist depictions of them in mainstream american culture as other minority groups.

There's history of ugly ugly demeaning stereotypes of all groups that fall outside of w.a.s.p in american culture......jews,catholics, blacks, asians,etc,etc,

Jews and Blacks have organizations that fought to remove these ugly ugly stereotypes from films,tv,ads,etc and step up to challenge when somebody today tries to go back to those days when it was "accepted" to make fun of one of those groups and nothing happened.


Asians....not as concerned..from organizational standpoint about these things....or don't have longtime organizations in place to challenge blatant or indirect cultural disrespect.


Model minority...studies hard ..achieves....doesn't complain about anything...
there's a comfort level in mainstream to say certain things about particular groups VERSUS other groups.

I'm sure Asian-Americans would rebel if a 30's-50's version of a "Asian Caricature" came out in a film today.

[get these NETS]

I'm sure Asian-Americans would rebel if a 30's-50's version of a "Asian Caricature" came out in a film today.


not about rebelling or how many Americans of Asian background would be upset.

It's about how much pressure that organizations representing their interests could exert.



In terms of numbers, not that many Jews in this country..but in terms of influence and amount of pressure their organizations can put on somebody? a LOT

[wang4three]

I'm sure Asian-Americans would rebel if a 30's-50's version of a "Asian Caricature" came out in a film today.
It's really not about whether or not they'll act, it's always been about to what degree and if they would be noticed.

[linZoMourning]

is anyone seriously offended by that sketch?? go kill yourself lmao

[CLTHornets4eva]

Sketch is dead on. :rockon:

[flipogb]

This is somewhat true and it stems from the assimilation role that Asian Americans have taken in US society. They don't have the united power that other racial minorities have. Asians are also one of, if not the worse, in voter turn out so political groups are less inclined to appeal to them.

It's somewhat a cultural norm to be ok poking fun at Asians in public while people are more cognizant when they do that with other minority groups. Few things unite us and fewer people really stand for our interests. Hopefully that changes moving forward.

I think what you mentioned about Asians not being united plays a huge part into why racial jokes are acceptable.

"thats not about us" is something that I could see Asians saying in regards to the jokes, as the jokes are usually Japanese or Chinese. and if the joke is Japanese then a Chinese guy could think its funny because its not about him.
The average white person wouldnt know the difference tho and assume that he is attacking all Asians with the joke. I myself have been insulted with things that are not associated with where Im from, so I just say" thats funny but Im not from there so you FAIL"

[Patrick Chewing]

is anyone seriously offended by that sketch?? go kill yourself lmao


this

[boxclever]

Black people are easily the most sensitive group?

Black women are easily the strongest group of people on the planet my ancestors put up with shit that would have broken most people. Even these days, if white people got treated like blacks they'd be crying and bitching and moaning all goddamn day.

"White people" complain and bitch and moan and protest over every damn thing and what's worse is you complain and blame everything but the western culture that YOUR ancestors created. It's ****ing crazy.

If black people are sensitive, outrageous, outspoken, etc, etc, it's because America made us that way. My pops was the first man in my lineage to have the opportunity to go to college. When he was born blacks weren't allowed to go to his state college.

You couldn't put yourself in my shoes, I wouldn't put myself in yours or claim to know your personal struggle. You don't even KNOW (and I mean a deeper form of knowing) black people. If you think there is inequity in America in FAVOR of blacks you're an idiot beyond educating.
Talk to 'em!:applause:

As an aside, the sketch was funny as ****. The Kobe beef - chicken bit deaded me for a minute

[Kiarip]

Great post. All you have to do is watch the Roots mini-series to get a snapshot of what we, as a people, had to endure. Watch that, and then tell why Black people shouldn't have a chip on their shoulder. This past week's Whitney Houston coverage is a perfect example of why I stopped fncking with the "Main Stream" media.

Jews have been persecuted far logner than black people, but even they aren't as sensitive to the whole thing...


And what "you as a people" had to endure is the mentality that is the ****ing problem in the first place. It's the "we as a people" mentality that leads to racism and discrimination in the first place.

Everyone is an individual, just because your ancestors have been wronged in the past should have absolutely no bearing on how people should and shouldn't treat you now in the present, especially since you weren't even around back then.

[boxclever]

And what "you as a people" had to endure is the mentality that is the ****ing problem in the first place. It's the "we as a people" mentality that leads to racism and discrimination in the first place.

If I've read this right, you're putting racism on black folk, amirite?

Is this 2012 or have I time travelled back to the 60s? smdh...

I've got no more words for you. Stew in your ignorance, stupidity and small mindedness

[AngelEyes]

If I've read this right, you're putting racism on black folk, amirite?

Is this 2012 or have I time travelled back to the 60s? smdh...

I've got no more words for you. Stew in your ignorance, stupidity and small mindedness

If you're going to act sanctimonious you can at least talk like an intelligent adult.

[AngelEyes]

Black people are easily the most sensitive group?

Black women are easily the strongest group of people on the planet my ancestors put up with shit that would have broken most people. Even these days, if white people got treated like blacks they'd be crying and bitching and moaning all goddamn day.

"White people" complain and bitch and moan and protest over every damn thing and what's worse is you complain and blame everything but the western culture that YOUR ancestors created. It's ****ing crazy.

If black people are sensitive, outrageous, outspoken, etc, etc, it's because America made us that way. My pops was the first man in my lineage to have the opportunity to go to college. When he was born blacks weren't allowed to go to his state college.

You couldn't put yourself in my shoes, I wouldn't put myself in yours or claim to know your personal struggle. You don't even KNOW (and I mean a deeper form of knowing) black people. If you think there is inequity in America in FAVOR of blacks you're an idiot beyond educating.

You're upset that someone is generalizing your race and what do you do in response? You generalize an entire race. You're no better than the people you castigate and you sound very much like a racist yourself and someone who enjoys playing the victim whatever chance you get.

[boxclever]

If you're going to act sanctimonious you can at least talk like an intelligent adult.
I'm on the internet, could not give a ****. It's not that serious to me, I know what time it is

[AngelEyes]

I'm on the internet, could not give a ****. It's not that serious to me, I know what time it is

Don't expect to be taken seriously then.

[Nevaeh]

Jews have been persecuted far logner than black people, but even they aren't as sensitive to the whole thing...


And what "you as a people" had to endure is the mentality that is the ****ing problem in the first place. It's the "we as a people" mentality that leads to racism and discrimination in the first place.

Everyone is an individual, just because your ancestors have been wronged in the past should have absolutely no bearing on how people should and shouldn't treat you now in the present, especially since you weren't even around back then.

Dude, I'm not talking about "Back Then". Racist sh!t still happens in 2012, in case you didn't know. And this isn't a contest about who's been persecuted, but how we "As a People" still continue to get treated, yet are expected to just smile and nod and accept racism, Institutional and otherwise, as being "fun".

What, you don't think people have family members who have had to endure racist bullsh!t remarks, slights and violence even in the not-to-distant past or something? Hurricane Katrina ring a bell son?

In an Ideal world, we would all like be looked at as individuals more often. So far it's not happening.

[RazorBaLade]

Black people are easily the most sensitive group?

Black women are easily the strongest group of people on the planet my ancestors put up with shit that would have broken most people. Even these days, if white people got treated like blacks they'd be crying and bitching and moaning all goddamn day.

"White people" complain and bitch and moan and protest over every damn thing and what's worse is you complain and blame everything but the western culture that YOUR ancestors created. It's ****ing crazy.

If black people are sensitive, outrageous, outspoken, etc, etc, it's because America made us that way. My pops was the first man in my lineage to have the opportunity to go to college. When he was born blacks weren't allowed to go to his state college.

You couldn't put yourself in my shoes, I wouldn't put myself in yours or claim to know your personal struggle. You don't even KNOW (and I mean a deeper form of knowing) black people. If you think there is inequity in America in FAVOR of blacks you're an idiot beyond educating.

Boohoo, every single type of people has been enslaved. While its true that blacks were enslaved not very long ago, they were also enslaved for a very short amount of time compared to other people. Your ancestors put up with shit that would break most people? I ****ing lol'd. 300 years is practically nothing, its a natural progression (discover group of people > enslave them > free them and they join civilized society) and 300 years is not grounds to say black people suffered more than any other group of people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

check it out buddy.. try 1000 or 3000 yrs of slavery before you become the "people that survived what would have broken most" ... and lol at saying if black people are sensitive outragous etc its because of america, how about you take a look at war ravaged and famined africa? You think you live worse in america? Go look at what africa is if you think your people here have it bad because of the big bad white guys.

[Kiarip]

Dude, I'm not talking about "Back Then". Racist sh!t still happens in 2012, in case you didn't know. And this isn't a contest about who's been persecuted, but how we "As a People" still continue to get treated, yet are expected to just smile and nod and accept racism, Institutional and otherwise, as being "fun".

Tons of racism is a result of anti-discrimination regulations back-firing. Racism is bad not because it's racism, but because of people hurting others because of it.

The truth is, whoever was getting replied to like 2 pages ago was right... That ESPN writer, Whitlock or w.e would have gotten FIRED if he made a racist remark about black people, but since he made it about Asians he simply apologized, and everyone moved on like nothing happened, why the double-standard?



What, you don't think people have family members who have had to endure racist bullsh!t remarks, slights and violence even in the not-to-distant past or something? Hurricane Katrina ring a bell son?

Violence as a result of Katrina wasn't because of racism, as for racist remarks, well some people will always be racist, you can't stop people from hating others, some people hate gingers, some people hate people with squeeky voices, if they're making insulting remarks as a result of that, yeah they're being douchebags, if they're hurting other people then they're committing a crime and should be charged with that, not because they're hurting an individual of a different race, but because it's a crime.



In an Ideal world, we would all like be looked at as individuals more often. So far it's not happening.

Yeah, but if a group of racists stereotypes, or bunches up a lot of people of a race together, how are the people of that race helping their cause by trying to separate themselves from the rest of the individuals, collectivizing themselves so to speak... they're doing the racists' job for them.

[Doranku]

Boohoo, every single type of people has been enslaved. While its true that blacks were enslaved not very long ago, they were also enslaved for a very short amount of time compared to other people. Your ancestors put up with shit that would break most people? I ****ing lol'd. 300 years is practically nothing, its a natural progression (discover group of people > enslave them > free them and they join civilized society) and 300 years is not grounds to say black people suffered more than any other group of people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

check it out buddy.. try 1000 or 3000 yrs of slavery before you become the "people that survived what would have broken most" ... and lol at saying if black people are sensitive outragous etc its because of america, how about you take a look at war ravaged and famined africa? You think you live worse in america? Go look at what africa is if you think your people here have it bad because of the big bad white guys.

Ethered.

[tomtucker]

now espn fired the guy who wrote ***** in the armour
.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7591778/espn-statement-offensive-jeremy-lin-comments

overreact much

they still have van gundy and hubie brown fukking up games with mouth-diarrea....fire them old fools insted



.

[Go Getter]

I'm middle class and everything he said is accurate. It's not about "privilege" it's about "Over sensitivity" Stop mixing the two and actually make a point for once. I swear this is exactly like the Nash threads where you bring up irrelevant things but don't make a point.
Everything he said is accurate to you.

It is about privilege. Whites can't see past their nose these days.and to say that blacks, after all the injustices we endured are over sensitive is ridiculous. You must not pay attention to the million stories about whites complaining about everything under the sun....you didn't grow up like I did, hell, if you are in fact black I bet you were raised just like a white boy and groomed like one too.....nothing wrong with that but don't speak on blacks like you know what's accurate when you don't know squat.


As far as the Nash threads, you're showing your true hoe colors. You a hoe stud. My point was that I'd rather have a pg that plays defense well because that's my personal style. I recognize his talent but don't like his game. If that's hurts your keen sensibilities then that's on you.

[Go Getter]

Boohoo, every single type of people has been enslaved. While its true that blacks were enslaved not very long ago, they were also enslaved for a very short amount of time compared to other people. Your ancestors put up with shit that would break most people? I ****ing lol'd. 300 years is practically nothing, its a natural progression (discover group of people > enslave them > free them and they join civilized society) and 300 years is not grounds to say black people suffered more than any other group of people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

check it out buddy.. try 1000 or 3000 yrs of slavery before you become the "people that survived what would have broken most" ... and lol at saying if black people are sensitive outragous etc its because of america, how about you take a look at war ravaged and famined africa? You think you live worse in america? Go look at what africa is if you think your people here have it bad because of the big bad white guys.

Africa is in shambles because of blacks or because whites stole all the resources and land? Is it not fair to say that the ruling class in Europe made a killing doing shady things to Africans?

If you think that every race has faced the horrors of chattel slavery you need to read more.

And I said black women. Show me a race of women that put up with the physical and psychological abuse they did.

It was a unique situation.

[RazorBaLade]

Africa is in shambles because of blacks or because whites stole all the resources and land? Is it not fair to say that the ruling class in Europe made a killing doing shady things to Africans?

If you think that every race has faced the horrors of chattel slavery you need to read more.

And I said black women. Show me a race of women that put up with the physical and psychological abuse they did.

It was a unique situation.

Why can germany be successful after being sent to shambles after WW2? Japan rebuilt itself after whites bombed their land back 3 centuries didn't they? Black people in Africa have been fighting each other for the last 60 years because 3 guys can't agree on how to split resources?? Why was east and west germany both fine but Nigeria cannot stop fighting with itself for 1 minute over who gets billions and ethopia is starving?

I just linked you. Every race has in fact faced slavery, and I'll go even further, blacks had it easier than most. (although, without a doubt, slavery is slavery and absolutely detestable and terrible)

Uh okay, how about women in Iran and Palestine that to THIS DAY are expected to cover themselves, not speak out to men and do nothing besides serve men in harems? They have no rights. That has been going on for what, 4000 years now? But black women had to sit in the back of the bus for 80 years and now they can be the wife of the president of the USA. Probably 2 or 3 elections away from a black woman running for president. HOW UNFORTUNATE.

[blackification]

I don't know why this thread is still open but razorblade does have point about women in the middle east. Shit go read about the women in ancient china that is pretty bad too.

[Burgz]

All i will add to this discussion is that you cannot neglect historical context when speaking to racism. The coping strategies different "races" use are steeped in very different, very complex historical truths. One cannot compare racism vs. Chinese or Jews and racism vs. Blacks because there are different histories and therefore have unfolded in different ways over time

this whole "individual" rhetoric is one of the "blame the victim" ideology which is not only blind to history but it is ignorant to the varying processes that affect people in a heterogenous way

As for Katrina, if you knew the HISTORY behind the creation and subsequent evolution of New Orleans as a city you would realize what it has to do with black people more specifically

I wont single out anyone but there are a lot of comments that I was shocked to read. A lot more that proves the likelihood that much of you are still in high school :ohwell:

[Burgz]

also i wanna say stay on topic or else this thread will get locked

the direction this discussion is going is not a good one

[04mzwach]

Africa is in shambles because of blacks or because whites stole all the resources and land? Is it not fair to say that the ruling class in Europe made a killing doing shady things to Africans?

If you think that every race has faced the horrors of chattel slavery you need to read more.

And I said black women. Show me a race of women that put up with the physical and psychological abuse they did.

It was a unique situation.
Just grow up. Please.

[Nevaeh]

Boohoo, every single type of people has been enslaved. While its true that blacks were enslaved not very long ago, they were also enslaved for a very short amount of time compared to other people. Your ancestors put up with shit that would break most people? I ****ing lol'd. 300 years is practically nothing, its a natural progression (discover group of people > enslave them > free them and they join civilized society) and 300 years is not grounds to say black people suffered more than any other group of people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

check it out buddy.. try 1000 or 3000 yrs of slavery before you become the "people that survived what would have broken most" ... and lol at saying if black people are sensitive outragous etc its because of america, how about you take a look at war ravaged and famined africa? You think you live worse in america? Go look at what africa is if you think your people here have it bad because of the big bad white guys.

This is the kind of flippant ,deflective tactic that really gets on my damn nerves, really though. The post I responded to was talking about how Black discrimination, etc. was a thing of the past. I brought up an example of how sh!t STILL happens today to Black people, and used Hurricane Katrina as an example.

I already mentioned that this isn't about having a contest with other races on who got treated the worst. I'm talking about how Black folks are still getting marginalized and are just expected to grin and bear it.

And another point. You as a "White" Jew (I'm assuming), don't get marginalized in American society, compared with people who have brown skin, and constantly have to see themselves reflected in the media as thugs and criminals or drug addicts 24 hours a day on cable TV.

Don't know even know why you brought up Africa. And please spare me the "Love it or Leave it" cliche son, in case you're thinking about it. I was born in this b!tch OK? No ties to Africa, sorry.

[Burgz]

This is the kind of flippant ,deflective tactic that really gets on my damn nerves, really though. The post I responded to was talking about how Black discrimination, etc. was a thing of the past. I brought up an example of how sh!t STILL happens today to Black people, and used Hurricane Katrina as an example.

I already mentioned that this isn't about having a contest with other races on who got treated the worst. I'm talking about how Black folks are still getting marginalized and are just expected to grin and bear it.

And another point. You as a "White" Jew (I'm assuming), don't get marginalized in American society, compared with people who have brown skin, and constantly have to see themselves reflected in the media as thugs and criminals or drug addicts 24 hours a day on cable TV.

Don't know even know why you brought up Africa. And please spare me the "Love it or Leave it" cliche son, in case you're thinking about it. I was born in this b!tch OK? No ties to Africa, sorry.

leave it alone would be my advice to you. the most difficult thing to deal with in these circumstances are a person's inability to see things from an alternate perspective.

It's not because they would not like to but they have been socialized in a very specific way that prevents them from doing so. to challenge that would be to challenge their every shred of knowledge they have obtained. Comprehension of new knowledge is dependant on what someone already knows

[RazorBaLade]

This is the kind of flippant ,deflective tactic that really gets on my damn nerves, really though. The post I responded to was talking about how Black discrimination, etc. was a thing of the past. I brought up an example of how sh!t STILL happens today to Black people, and used Hurricane Katrina as an example.

I already mentioned that this isn't about having a contest with other races on who got treated the worst. I'm talking about how Black folks are still getting marginalized and are just expected to grin and bear it.

And another point. You as a "White" Jew (I'm assuming), don't get marginalized in American society, compared with people who have brown skin, and constantly have to see themselves reflected in the media as thugs and criminals or drug addicts 24 hours a day on cable TV.

Don't know even know why you brought up Africa. And please spare me the "Love it or Leave it" cliche son, in case you're thinking about it. I was born in this b!tch OK? No ties to Africa, sorry.

I wasn't arguing with you or against your points, I have never replied to you in this thread until now. Again, thats why I brought up Africa lol. It was to someone elses post.

I don't say love it or leave it either... I agree black people are still suffering from a little bit of consequence from just recently being out of slavery.

Maybe if there were more blacks who got onto media by education like obama, neil degrasse tyson or something instead of kanye jay z and rick ross who constantly say they are thugs , ******s and drug dealers then black kids wouldn't want to grow up to be like them. It's not the media's fault that during black history month in a superbowl performance a black singer shows the middle finger to the camera and the fans that pay her millions to do her craft on a stage. Just a thought. But as I said earlier, blacks are still only very recently removed from segregation. People still grow up in households where parents are very racist. Its quite unfortunate.

I just don't think comments like black women faced the worst horrors or anyhting has a place here... Or that blacks had it worst in slavery. That kind of stuff is not necessary and untrue.

[Burgz]

I wasn't arguing with you or against your points, I have never replied to you in this thread until now. Again, thats why I brought up Africa lol. It was to someone elses post.

I don't say love it or leave it either... I agree black people are still suffering from a little bit of consequence from just recently being out of slavery.

Maybe if there were more blacks who got onto media by education like obama, neil degrasse tyson or something instead of kanye jay z and rick ross who constantly say they are thugs and drug dealers then black kids wouldn't want to grow up to be like them. It's not the media's fault that during black history month in a superbowl performance a black singer shows the middle finger to the camera and the fans that pay her millions to do her craft on a stage. Just a thought.

Here's a thought: MIA is not black, she's Sri Lankan

[Nevaeh]

leave it alone would be my advice to you. the most difficult thing to deal with in these circumstances are a person's inability to see things from an alternate perspective.

It's not because they would not like to but they have been socialized in a very specific way that prevents them from doing so. to challenge that would be to challenge their every shred of knowledge they have obtained. Comprehension of new knowledge is dependant on what someone already knows

Good points. I would say "Comprehension of new knowledge is dependent on what someone is willing to learn" as well. My point is, just letting sh!t slide because someone thinks it's "funny" or "no big deal" is just co-signing the attitudes that makes it OK to be racist in the first place.

[blackification]

I wasn't arguing with you or against your points, I have never replied to you in this thread until now. Again, thats why I brought up Africa lol. It was to someone elses post.

I don't say love it or leave it either... I agree black people are still suffering from a little bit of consequence from just recently being out of slavery.

Maybe if there were more blacks who got onto media by education like obama, neil degrasse tyson or something instead of kanye jay z and rick ross who constantly say they are thugs , ******s and drug dealers then black kids wouldn't want to grow up to be like them. It's not the media's fault that during black history month in a superbowl performance a black singer shows the middle finger to the camera and the fans that pay her millions to do her craft on a stage. Just a thought. But as I said earlier, blacks are still only very recently removed from segregation. People still grow up in households where parents are very racist. Its quite unfortunate.

I just don't think comments like black women faced the worst horrors or anyhting has a place here... Or that blacks had it worst in slavery. That kind of stuff is not necessary and untrue.
Uhh M.I.A. isn't black she is from sri lanka and they should have known better when it came to her

edit - beaten

[Burgz]

Good points. I would say "Comprehension of new knowledge is dependent on what someone is willing to learn" as well. My point is, just letting sh!t slide because someone thinks it's "funny" or "no big deal" is just co-signing the attitudes that makes it OK to be racist in the first place.

it's refreshing to hear that. It is NOT ok at all and you shouldn't let it slide. It's just that there are many posts on here that would require a history lesson before even trying to respond to them lol

[RazorBaLade]

Here's a thought: MIA is not black, she's Sri Lankan

hey man, we all black someway. all descended from africa.

Lol no but a quick google search indicates that theres a mixed answer. some people from sri lanka are descended of asians and some migrated from east africa. I have no idea what MIA is so sorry if i was wrong just cross that out and the point was made in the rest i hope

[RazorBaLade]

So just to reiterate

Maybe if there were more blacks who got onto media by education like obama, neil degrasse tyson or something instead of kanye jay z and rick ross who constantly say they are thugs , ******s and drug dealers then black kids wouldn't want to grow up to be like them.

I think this is a problem with current black society and culture

and I think that the black woman and black people suffered the worst kind of slavery or whatever are wrong and ignorant statements

If anyone would like to dispute any of my opinions, feel free!

To stay on topic, SNL is aweeeeesome suddenly wtf happened it was so bad for a while

[Nevaeh]

it's refreshing to hear that. It is NOT ok at all and you shouldn't let it slide. It's just that there are many posts on here that would require a history lesson before even trying to respond to them lol

That's true too. But I wouldn't be "Me" if I didn't speak out a bit about this topic, because it hits a little closer to home for me. At the end of the day, this is a basketball forum, where white guys look up Black Players, and Brothas can admire What Jeremy Lin, Steve or Dirk's been doing in the League over the years.

But if peeps insist on turning the main NBA Board into "Race Relations Central", best believe Ima speak my piece on the subject.

:oldlol: :cheers:

[Burgz]

So just to reiterate

Maybe if there were more blacks who got onto media by education like obama, neil degrasse tyson or something instead of kanye jay z and rick ross who constantly say they are thugs , ******s and drug dealers then black kids wouldn't want to grow up to be like them.

I think this is a problem with current black society and culture

and I think that the black woman and black people suffered the worst kind of slavery or whatever are wrong and ignorant statements

If anyone would like to dispute any of my opinions, feel free!

To stay on topic, SNL is aweeeeesome suddenly wtf happened it was so bad for a while

i wouldn't like to dispute i'd like to educate

unfortunately i wont do what whatever school system you came out of failed to do for you

and no we are not "all black"

race is a social construction.

[Burgz]

ANYWAYS

I dont really like how people may take what SNL says and make it ok to say or imply some of the things they do in their skit

its like when i hear white people tell their white friends black jokes. I wonder how many people in white america will be repeating these jokes in the next weeks

[RazorBaLade]

i wouldn't like to dispute i'd like to educate

unfortunately i wont do what whatever school system you came out of failed to do for you

and no we are not "all black"

race is a social construction.

So you believe 200 years of black slavery and immediate integration into society was objectively worse than 1000's of years of slavery and forcing them to create their own society? And that black women have had to suffer more than women from muslim countries and beliefs?

Interesting stuff.

And yes, we all came from a common ancestor from an area somewhere current africa is. both of our furthest ancestors were black even tho I'm white now.

[Burgz]

So you believe 200 years of black slavery and immediate integration into society was objectively worse than 1000's of years of slavery and forcing them to create their own society? And that black women have had to suffer more than women from muslim countries and beliefs?

Interesting stuff.

And yes, we all came from a common ancestor from an area somewhere current africa is. both of our furthest ancestors were black even tho I'm white now.

that is not the point. there should be no need to compare. what benefit does anyone gain by determining definitively which context was worse?

there is none. therefore it is irrelevant. therefore it is not even worth making an argument about.

[RazorBaLade]

that is not the point. there should be no need to compare. what benefit does anyone gain by determining definitively which context was worse?

there is none. therefore it is irrelevant. therefore it is not even worth making an argument about.

Alright cool. Just fyi altho I'm sure you know if uve read the thread, I"m not the one that brought whos worse or better in the first place... was just replying x_x

dont konw how my education system has failed me

[Burgz]

Alright cool. Just fyi altho I'm sure you know if uve read the thread, I"m not the one that brought whos worse or better in the first place... was just replying x_x

i know, i was just replying to yours too

[AngelEyes]

This thread deteriorated very quickly and it devolved into something that has no place on a basketball message board.

[donald_trump]

how does go getter ruin every thread as soon as race is mentioned?

[trig]

Im from the Philippines and when I was in Dallas last year, I was able to play hoops vs asians, mexicans, black, white etc. A lot of white's really look down on asians. Maybe they just can't take it when midget asians beat them at basketball lol. Most of the blacks that I played with are friendly.

[IamRAMBO24]

1. I think black people have every right to express their outrage with the
"victim" mentality because racism exist strongly against blacks, mexicans, and muslims. You don't tell a rape victim not to express outrage against sexual predators do you? I live in the South, and even though many people around here are racist, they seem to view asians with more acceptance than the blacks, but what they don't know is when they speak badly about a black person, being a minority who went through the same struggles (I'm asian), I don't take that very lightly.

It is a fact blacks are being discriminated against BIG TIME. You might NOT hear it shouting out loudly, but behind closed doors, it's pretty ugly. When a black person complains about being a victim, just listen. he's prob complaining for a reason. Saying he has no right to act this way is like saying a rape victim has no right to be outrage about getting raped.

2. With that said, I do feel bad for the white guys who are not racist being shouted down by black men who have been discriminated by another racist redneck. Not all whites are the same, and if black men want to complain about racism, yall need to start targetting asians, mexicans, muslims, etc. because trust me, there are racists in those groups too.

3. In the end, yall are stupid for discussing racism in a basketball forum; sports is the one place we can look to be judge by what we can do on the court rather than what color our skin is or what cultural background we came from. It has no place in this forum.

[trig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AsFCSvqsqFA

[burnsy87]

If Jason Whitlock was white and Jeremy Lin was black, and he made a similar racial joke tweet about Lin? He would be fired IMMEDIATELY. Not even a question.

But a weak apology later, and its all good....no firing of Whitlock.

No sarcasm. Black people are easily the most sensitive group, yet would have no problem with Asian jokes. That's what the SNL sketch is outlining in comical form, but its based on truth.

Everyone seems to know this, but noone talks about it.

Couldn't be more right. Only an idiot looking for an argument would disagree with you.

[burnsy87]

ANYWAYS

I dont really like how people may take what SNL says and make it ok to say or imply some of the things they do in their skit

its like when i hear white people tell their white friends black jokes. I wonder how many people in white america will be repeating these jokes in the next weeks

The point of the skit wasn't to say it was ok to make racial jokes. They were showing how racially charged jokes towards asians is socially acceptable while jokes about black people would cause an uproar.

Is everyone on this board really this ignorant? My God.

[bluechox2]

The point of the skit wasn't to say it was ok to make racial jokes. They were showing how racially charged jokes towards asians is socially acceptable while jokes about black people would cause an uproar.

Is everyone on this board really this ignorant? My God.
:lol
those of too much melanin will never let that go

[Go Getter]

1. A Jeremy Lin SNL sketch has nothing to do with basketball so this thread really belongs in the OTC.
2. I apologize for going off on a tangent, I had to speak my heart, if you disagree with my views (one of the more controversial being that black women are the strongest people on Earth) I don't fault you. That's just MY personal opinion. Of course issues that deal with blacks or concern blacks are near and dear to me. I shouldn't have to say this like I shouldn't have to say I like deep dish pizza, the Bulls, and Twista....it's almost ingrained in me.
3. Dude IamRAMBO24 made a good (but off base) point..."sports is the one place we can look to be judge by what we can do on the court rather than what color our skin is or what cultural background we came from." To someone that is perceptive (say sensitive if you want) to race issues the Lin thing stinks to high heaven. But I'm the type that doesn't like Tyler Perry movies, calling people any name but the one their mom and pop gave them (it took me a long time to insult people over the net even), respecting my elders, and behaving in an overall "old-fashioned manner."

I think a lot of people use Lin's success as a way to make corny jokes about Asians that they've been storing up...it doesn't sit right with me.

Dude said, "Germany rebuilt after WW2 why can't Africa rebuild."

That shit is on some ole next level ignoramus shit.

[bluechox2]

1. A Jeremy Lin SNL sketch has nothing to do with basketball so this thread really belongs in the OTC.
2. I apologize for going off on a tangent, I had to speak my heart, if you disagree with my views (one of the more controversial being that black women are the strongest people on Earth) I don't fault you. That's just MY personal opinion. Of course issues that deal with blacks or concern blacks are near and dear to me. I shouldn't have to say this like I shouldn't have to say I like deep dish pizza, the Bulls, and Twista....it's almost ingrained in me.
3. Dude IamRAMBO24 made a good (but off base) point..."sports is the one place we can look to be judge by what we can do on the court rather than what color our skin is or what cultural background we came from." To someone that is perceptive (say sensitive if you want) to race issues the Lin thing stinks to high heaven. But I'm the type that doesn't like Tyler Perry movies, calling people any name but the one their mom and pop gave them (it took me a long time to insult people over the net even), respecting my elders, and behaving in an overall "old-fashioned manner."

I think a lot of people use Lin's success as a way to make corny jokes about Asians that they've been storing up...it doesn't sit right with me.

Dude said, "Germany rebuilt after WW2 why can't Africa rebuild."

That shit is on some ole next level ignoramus shit.

i have friends in africa who express the same concern

[Go Getter]

i have friends in africa who express the same concern
I do as well my friend. I don't blame Western culture for all of blacks ills, I just feel the need bring bring up the side that isn't represented. After awhile, no matter how bad or horrific the tragedy a man must take responsibility for his fate.

There is still a lot of messed up things going on but you have to free yourself mentally before you can take advantage of your physical freedom to the fullest.

Dude compared Germany after WW2 to Africa which I think is moronic because they are/were in totally different situations.

[Teanett]

get over it already, ya fukken negroes!
:D

[unbreakable]

:roll:

whats sad is this video is so true. jason whitlock is a perfect example. that dumb fukk.