Sports Science - Jeremy Lin as fast as John Wall / Quicker Release than Ray Ray

[Bladers]

in terms of accelaration (aka speed burst)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiaUXVSyDZc

but but... put jrue holiday in the D'A system and he's goat. :roll: :roll: :facepalm

[Yanch856]

:facepalm

This is the type of science that doesn't justify players like Jeremy Lin.

Michael Lewis made a fortune writing books to debunk this.

[Boogaboog]

Nobody is faster with the ball than John Wall.

[FKAri]

He is alot faster AND quicker than most on this board believe but I dont think he's quicker than Wall.

[Bladers]

Nobody is faster with the ball than John Wall.

There's difference between relative sustained speed vs acceleration.
His acceleration is on par with Wall. Its amazing how people don't read the op "in terms of accelaration (aka speed burst)"

[strifed169]

Nobody is faster with the ball than John Wall.

how is it hard to believe he isn't just as fast? he's been blowing by his defenders at will

[Boogaboog]

There's difference between relative sustained speed vs acceleration.
His acceleration is on par with Wall. Its amazing how people don't read the op "in terms of accelaration (aka speed burst)"

I think his acceleration is slower. But that doesn't matter of course, as he's playing better than Wall.

[DRose1899]

He's red hot now Lin shooting form is horrible, his elbow in square, leg kicking to everywhere at release..

He never known as good shooter in college, or even when he playing on park at Bays.. only fool that think he have consistent jumpshot.

[bmulls]

He's red hot now Lin shooting form is horrible, his elbow in square, leg kicking to everywhere at release..

He never known as good shooter in college, or even when he playing on park at Bays.. only fool that think he have consistent jumpshot.

Very few NBA players actually have good shooting form.

When you start playing BBall as a little kid, it's hard to even get the ball up to the rim. Most people develop goofy looking shots because of this.

[jstern]

Some people don't seem to comprehend. They're not saying he's quicker, faster than John Wall. They said that he has average speed, but that he has acceleration on par with John Wall. And it's true that Lin is quick. It doesn't mean he's the most athletic person out there, still has a slower spin move than Rose.

Basically he's quick, has average run speed, and he give his opponents lindigestion. Also, if he has a quicker realease than Ray Allen, it doesn't mean that he's a better 3-point shooter, for those who will assume that that's what they are saying.

[Bladers]

I think his acceleration is slower. But that doesn't matter of course, as he's playing better than Wall.

Its not. Wall just looks more atheletic so it appears slow when you see lin do it.
and because Wall is more atheletic he can sustain his speed while Lin can't.

but is Wall faster? yes. Speed is all about maximum sustained velocity. Can Lin Accelerate to those speeds, yes. But he can't sustain it. As I said "speed burst".

I have seen Wall go from inbound at his own paint to the other court for an airball layup while running out of control out of bounds in 2-3secs.

Thats maximum sustained speed.

[Jotaro Durant]

ppl still think sports science credible:lol

[Boogaboog]

Some people don't seem to comprehend. They're not saying he's quicker, faster than John Wall. They said that he has average speed, but that he has acceleration on par with John Wall. And it's true that Lin is quick. It doesn't mean he's the most athletic person out there, still has a slower spin move than Rose.

Basically he's quick, has average run speed, and he give his opponents lindigestion. Also, if he has a quicker realease than Ray Allen, it doesn't mean that he's a better 3-point shooter, for those who will assume that that's what they are saying.

And I'm saying that Lin has elite acceleration that isn't quite as fast as Wall's.

[wang4three]

He's red hot now Lin shooting form is horrible, his elbow in square, leg kicking to everywhere at release..

He never known as good shooter in college, or even when he playing on park at Bays.. only fool that think he have consistent jumpshot.

Is it really that hard to think that maybe he worked on his jumper a lot since college or playing at a park?

[heyhey]

Backs up what my eyes have been telling me too

[DRose1899]

Is it really that hard to think that maybe he worked on his jumper a lot since college or playing at a park?
History not indicating that :confusedshrug:

And his number is too good to be true

50-60% from midrange ffs
That is must be the best at nba currently, n no way in friggin' hell he's one of the best shooter in the league.

[koBEDABEST]

makes a lot of sense, ****** been blowing past mofos at will smith

[chips93]

Is it really that hard to think that maybe he worked on his jumper a lot since college or playing at a park?

if he keeps up the 3pt shot he has shown, then yes it is too hard to believe.

no player i can think off has turned from the shooter lin was in harvard, to the shooter he appears to be now, in such a short window of time.

[GOBB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb95Fc3N-78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw-Z-HMiIpA

:applause:

[Foster5k]

So...

Lin has the speed of John Wall, the moves of Derrick Rose, and can shoot 3s like Ray Allen....

Asian Jordan

[hoopslife]

Geez. This isn't rocket science. Sports Science is just saying his first step is on par with John Wall. Not his overall athleticism (IE. Speed, Vert, lateral quickness, etc.) Just watch John Wall and Lin and it's pretty obvious they both have a pretty freaking fast first step...

[Bladers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb95Fc3N-78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw-Z-HMiIpA

:applause:

What happened to Jrue was a better shooter than Jlin? :oldlol:

[GOBB]

What happened to Jrue was a better shooter than Jlin? :oldlol:

He is, so is Kyrie Irving. Both have a longer body of work than Lin.

[wang4three]

if he keeps up the 3pt shot he has shown, then yes it is too hard to believe.

no player i can think off has turned from the shooter lin was in harvard, to the shooter he appears to be now, in such a short window of time.

I'm sure the law of averages and standard normal distribution will gravitate Lin back towards the mean, but still to act like he really doesn't have a jump shot when he does is unfounded.

[Bladers]

He is, so is Kyrie Irving. Both have a longer body of work than Lin.


On Midrange

Jrue

10-15 ft 16-23 ft
36.6% 39.0%

4.6 attempts a game

Jline

10-15 ft 16-23 ft
54.5% 63.0%

4.3 attempts a game

K Irving
10-15 ft 16-23 ft
48.4% 39.0%

3.9 attempts a game

Here NBA Stats Cube combines both 10-15 and 16-23 as Midrange.

Kyrie Irving (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Kyrie-Irving|202681;year=201112;season=r)

Jeremy Lin (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Jeremy-Lin|202391;year=201112;season=r)

Jrue Holiday
(http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Jrue-Holiday|201950;year=201112;season=r)

Longer body of work yet Lin is shooting WAYYYY better percentage than all three and All three are shooting about 4 a game. :oldlol:

[inclinerator]

he only shoot open jumpers, he doesnt force shots,

[wang4three]

History not indicating that :confusedshrug:

And his number is too good to be true

50-60% from midrange ffs
That is must be the best at nba currently, n no way in friggin' hell he's one of the best shooter in the league.

Surprised you said this considering you're a Rose fan. Derrick wasn't a good shooter in college and I think he shot just at 70% from the FT line (college) and what, 25% from three point in his rookie year? It seems as if overnight he's turned into an 85% FT shooter and a 33% three point shooter. People work hard and get better.

[Bladers]

he only shoot open jumpers, he doesnt force shots,

That isn't true. I mean look at all the clutch shots and 3's he has made so far, are you kidding me? they were all contested.

[Bob Cousy]

Nobody is faster with the ball than John Wall.

[Bladers]

On Midrange

Jrue

10-15 ft 16-23 ft
36.6% 39.0%

4.6 attempts a game

Jline

10-15 ft 16-23 ft
54.5% 63.0%

4.3 attempts a game

K Irving
10-15 ft 16-23 ft
48.4% 39.0%

3.9 attempts a game

Here NBA Stats Cube combines both 10-15 and 16-23 as Midrange.

Kyrie Irving (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Kyrie-Irving|202681;year=201112;season=r)

Jeremy Lin (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Jeremy-Lin|202391;year=201112;season=r)

Jrue Holiday
(http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Jrue-Holiday|201950;year=201112;season=r)

Longer body of work yet Lin is shooting WAYYYY better percentage than all three and All three are shooting about 4 a game. :oldlol:

Funny how GOBB goes cowering in corners after this.

[GOBB]

Funny how GOBB goes cowering in corners after this.

Cowering?

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2012&gp=0&mins=0

Lin shoots 54% and 63% because he takes below league avg attempts and makes. :roll: Do you even know what you're posting?

10-15ft? 0.4 makes 0.6 attempts for 54% FG
16-23 ft? 1.0 makes 1.6 attempts for 63% FG

[DRose1899]

Surprised you said this considering you're a Rose fan. Derrick wasn't a good shooter in college and I think he shot just at 70% from the FT line (college) and what, 25% from three point in his rookie year? It seems as if overnight he's turned into an 85% FT shooter and a 33% three point shooter. People work hard and get better.
at least the number is "believable" n even Rose jumper isn't that consistent.

Lin shooting below 30% from 3s but shoot friggin 50-60% from midrange its indicating how inconsistent the stat proving his shooting ability from those little sample.

Even now u can tell he have inconsistent jumpshot, his miss can be very ugly, good shooter would not look like that, thanks to his hot streak n excellent shot selection his shot look great now.

[Glide2keva]

If he wasn't playing on the Knicks.

The hype is now getting out of hand.

[DRose1899]

Cowering?

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2012&gp=0&mins=0

Lin shoots 54% and 63% because he takes below league avg attempts and makes. :roll: Do you even know what you're posting?

10-15ft? 0.4 makes 0.6 attempts for 54% FG
16-23 ft? 1.0 makes 1.6 attempts for 63% FG
ah now that make more sense.

n he shooting about 30% from 3s

[Bladers]

Cowering?

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2012&gp=0&mins=0

Lin shoots 54% and 63% because he takes below league avg attempts and makes. :roll: Do you even know what you're posting?

10-15ft? 0.4 makes 0.6 attempts for 54% FG
16-23 ft? 1.0 makes 1.6 attempts for 63% FG


Here's a quote from last night this fool coward away from and still doesn't get it. I see you are not very bright. Did you even get through elemetary? :roll: :roll:


lol @ this idiot, his stats are screwed because of the garbage 1-2 mins he got in games earlier in the season. Only an idiot won't know that.

That's why he's attempt is at 0.6. Just like he's at 14ppg.

But an intelligent person would look at his attempt per game in the last 9 games which is around 4 a game.

NBA Stats Cube combines both 10-15 and 16-23 as Midrange.

Kyrie Irving (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Kyrie-Irving|202681;year=201112;season=r)

Jeremy Lin (http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Jeremy-Lin|202391;year=201112;season=r)

Jrue Holiday
(http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Jrue-Holiday|201950;year=201112;season=r)

All three are shooting about 4 a game, but Lin is shooting WAYYYY better percentage than all three including rose if you want to add him to the mix.

You've been owned, deal with it.

[Bladers]

ah now that make more sense.

n he shooting about 30% from 3s

lol another idiot. these fools are dime a dozen. :roll: :roll:

[NattyPButter]

ppl still think sports science credible:lol

I stop believing it when I saw all the MMA crap they did. The science is bullcrap.

[T.O.RapsJays]

That isn't true. I mean look at all the clutch shots and 3's he has made so far, are you kidding me? they were all contested.
No they weren't, in most cases, the defender was expecting for him to drive, so they backed off a little bit giving him room to shoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb4MPVHd-XQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqOUlXc4t8

You can tell they were giving him room to shoot.

[June1026]

Player Efficiency Rating

Even before LINSANITY, Jlin was in the top 5 for PER, but currently

Jlin 8th in the league 24.25
Jrue 167th in the league 14.42

Even if you hate advanced stat, the difference's f'ing ridiculous.

[DRose1899]

lol another idiot. these fools are dime a dozen. :roll: :roll:
not more idiot than dude that comparing percentage number from player that playing 3 time less in those comparison :roll:

[burnsy87]

Funny how GOBB goes cowering in corners after this.

Your statement about them having a lower percentage over a longer period of time makes no sense.

Having a larger body of work implies that the numbers will be lower than someone who has played 8 games at a very high level.

The assumption, and what will almost certainly happen, is that Lins numbers will regress closer to Irving's. That is, unless you have convinced yourself that he will continue to be the best 3 point shooter in NBA history.

[heyhey]

not more idiot than dude that comparing percentage number from player that playing 3 time less in those comparison :roll:

:roll: Yea because including games where he played 1 or 2 minutes make sense for looking at per game stats.


:facepalm

[Killbot]

In Ray's Prime, the measurement was 0.68 seconds, not 0.73 seconds. Plus, the one Jeremy Lin had to shoot was probably 1 sample. Ray's measurement incorporated many.

[Bladers]

not more idiot than dude that comparing percentage number from player that playing 3 time less in those comparison :roll:

Wow you are more than a idiot. It doesn't matter the amount of games, but the amount of attempts, and they are all taking 4 attempts a game.

LOL and lets not bring up Drose whose chucking up sub 30% from midrange. :oldlol:

[Bladers]

:roll: Yea because including games where he played 1 or 2 minutes make sense for looking at per game stats.


:facepalm

America's GOAT education system FTW!

[Killbot]

Not trying to diminish the god that is Lin, but
ESPN Sport Science has lost credibility ever since Love and "boxing out" the Sumo Wrestler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-6kP8M_GmM
:rolleyes:

[DRose1899]

:roll: Yea because including games where he played 1 or 2 minutes make sense for looking at per game stats.


:facepalm
OK, I misunderstood that point. but Hulk already chalk that n still idiot to compare percentage from player that playing 9 games to those that already play 30ish game.

[GOBB]

No they weren't, in most cases, the defender was expecting for him to drive, so they backed off a little bit giving him room to shoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb4MPVHd-XQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqOUlXc4t8

You can tell they were giving him room to shoot.

Yup.

Before the Toronto game Lin was 3-17 from 3pt range since starting. How Lin was scoring and effectively? Attacking the basket, which is what Jose was playing. Coming into the NYK game? 5-19.

Defenders give him that shot as opposed to letting him attack the basket which he is very good at. I dont see why Bladers cant see that and makes it like he is tightly guarded behind the arc. Not many are anticipating a 3, and if anything you prefer him to shoot it than get to the rim where he has proven he can score, finish, draw fouls.

[wang4three]

at least the number is "believable" n even Rose jumper isn't that consistent.

Lin shooting below 30% from 3s but shoot friggin 50-60% from midrange its indicating how inconsistent the stat proving his shooting ability from those little sample.

Even now u can tell he have inconsistent jumpshot, his miss can be very ugly, good shooter would not look like that, thanks to his hot streak n excellent shot selection his shot look great now.

Like I said earlier, law of averages will bring him down a bit because the sample size is pretty small right now. However, this doesn't mean he doesn't have a jump shot. He may not shoot 55-60% for the remainder of his jump shots, but you can't really dismiss him and say he doesn't have a jumpshot or that it's "foolish" (I think that's the term you used) to say that he does.

[Shepseskaf]

Geez. This isn't rocket science. Sports Science is just saying his first step is on par with John Wall. Not his overall athleticism (IE. Speed, Vert, lateral quickness, etc.) Just watch John Wall and Lin and it's pretty obvious they both have a pretty freaking fast first step...
Basically. Science can't explain everything, but this I believe. All someone has to do is watch the games and watch Lin getting into the lane at will, many times after blowing by elite defenders.

[Bladers]

Funny how GOBB never responds directly to posts he got pwned with, but tries to play it off. Dude is bitch made. :oldlol:

[T.O.RapsJays]

Funny how GOBB never responds directly to posts he got pwned with, but tries to play it off. Dude is bitch made. :oldlol:
How is saying that Lin has been shooting better from mid-range in 10 GAMES than others have been doing the whole season. Not to take anything away from Lin, but you have to be silly to say that from a 10-game sample that he's got one of the best mid-ranges in the game. :facepalm

[GOBB]

9gms Lin stats...

10-15 ft, 6-11 55% FG
16-23 ft, 16-26 62% FG

37 total shots taken

K.Irving,

10-15 ft, 15-33
16-23 ft, 33-86

119 total shots taken

J.Holiday,

10-15 ft, 17-43
16-23 ft, 49-130

173 total shots taken

Like I said, you're basing your argument on a small sample size vs players with an larger body of work. You also left out 3pt% and FT% as well. For obvious reasons.

Get owned kid. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

Let me guess your Bladder is full and you needed to relieve yourself? Where you at son? :oldlol:

Lin after 9gms is shooting 71% FT, 33% 3pt

Irving is shooting 84% FT, 41% 3pt
Holiday is shooting 82% FT, 39% 3pt


I'm doing your homework for you. Like mommy and daddy do. You put your name at the top, turn it in and get a good grade. What have you learned? Oh nothing, but you know who your DADDY IS. GOBB.

Now go clean your f*cking room!

[Dengness9]

Sports Science is the gayest shit on sportscenter...it's just terrible and doesn't even prove or show anything.

Hope Dudley or G Hill don't find out I used the word gayest in this post...

[IGOTGAME]

didn't watch. but if sports science said it, gotta be true.

[Bladers]

9gms Lin stats...

10-15 ft, 6-11 55% FG
16-23 ft, 16-26 62% FG

37 total shots taken

K.Irving,

10-15 ft, 15-33
16-23 ft, 33-86

119 total shots taken

J.Holiday,

10-15 ft, 17-43
16-23 ft, 49-130

173 total shots taken

Like I said, you're basing your argument on a small sample size vs players with an larger body of work. You also left out 3pt% and FT% as well. For obvious reasons.

Get owned kid. :oldlol:

Lol @ this idiot. what happened to 0.6 attempt? Did you overlook that fail of yours?

Let's check your elementary education. What's 37 divided by 9? 0.6? lol what a moron.

Its 4.1 attempts. The same attempts Irving and Jrue are getting a game. It has nothing to do with small samples because he consistently gets around 4 each game.

and I never said lin was a better FT or 3pt shooter than Irving or Jrue... LOL another fail attempt to save face.

You are pwned son. Took you 24 hours to come up with a response? lol and a weak one at that. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ukballer]

Funny how GOBB never responds directly to posts he got pwned with, but tries to play it off. Dude is bitch made. :oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Says the guy who got royally exposed in video game forum and never returned. The irony in that post.

[iDunk]

I like how people get scientific proof and they still think otherwise.

[ZenMaster]

Is it really that hard to think that maybe he worked on his jumper a lot since college or playing at a park?

Most players that go to the NBA to become better shooters because of increased reps.

I'm a bit suprised by his many misses from the FT line though, a kid so smart would normally shoot better free throws.

[stephanieg]

Sure, but can he turn the ball over as fast?

[Pushxx]

Not trying to diminish the god that is Lin, but
ESPN Sport Science has lost credibility ever since Love and "boxing out" the Sumo Wrestler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-6kP8M_GmM
:rolleyes:

I'd rep you. That Sports Science clip was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Holy shit.

[deion2123]

:oldlol: at all these people who lack reading comprehension...it didn't say Lin was faster than Wall..It said his first step is as fast as Wall..and it didn't say he was a better shooter than Ray Allen..it said he has a quicker release which he does cause he has been getting his shot off in people's faces these past 9 games despite being 6'3''

[Cali Syndicate]

Lin has great change in pace. Similar to how Arenas was back in the day.

[Bladers]

Oh look. Ever since starting, Lin has shot 40% (12/30) from 3 pt range. That would rank him above Jrue. So much for being a better shooter than Lin. :roll:

and oh look again... Lin takes 4 shots again from 15-23ft (his average) and made two of them (50%). So much for small sample :oldlol:

[ralph_i_el]

I think his acceleration is slower. But that doesn't matter of course, as he's playing better than Wall.

true, but Wall has been playing well recently too. 18-8-4 on almost 50% shooting this month

[Jyap9675]

Sport science dick riding jeremy lin, he is like ultimate cash cow right now, time magazine even kim kardashian wants a piece lol.

I've lowered sport science's credibility the day they have exagerated derrick williams' 3pt shooting % in college like he is better than Allen without even mentioning that the 3 point line is shorter and defenders are not as physically talented.