LeBron doesn't like blowouts because they lower his averages

[Droid101]

:lol

What a joke of a player. If he's your favorite, it really says something about you as a person.

"I'm tired of sitting out fourth quarters. It's messing up my averages."

http://youtu.be/D2LBIU9cD1A

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/310120/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg

[Dave3]

:eek: :eek: :eek: OH NO!!! LeBron made a joke about his stats!!! Let's make a thread and pretend he was serious!!!!

Seriously, people on here need more interesting things going on in their lives.:rolleyes:

[Dictator]

Lebron's voice sounds like Shaq

[ImmortalD24]

:lol

[SwooshReturns]

Sitting in the 4th quarter masks his in ability to perform at said pressure packed situations. He should be very thankful of blow outs.

[Droid101]

Sitting in the 4th quarter masks his in ability to perform at said pressure packed situations. He should be very thankful of blow outs.
:applause:

[Bladers]

Not surprised its coming from the guy who never attempts a end of Q half court shot but pretends to do so by waiting for the buzzer before throwing it up.

[chips93]

firstly, so what if lebron cares about his stats? whatever motivates a great player, i dont really care, i just care how he plays. does what motivates him, change the fact that he is a great player? of course not. all that matters is how well he plays, not why he plays

irregardless, it was clearly a joke

[Bladers]

:eek: :eek: :eek: OH NO!!! LeBron made a joke about his stats!!! Let's make a thread and pretend he was serious!!!!

Seriously, people on here need more interesting things going on in their lives.:rolleyes:

He was serious and was actually telling the truth and fully believes it. Wade does aswell, don't you think thats why wade comes out gunning in the first half? He is scoring his lowest ppg since probably his reason seasons.

Lebron cares so much about his FG%, reba and assists its ridiculous.
he actually fights over rebs from his teammates and force feed his teammates when he wants to rack up assists, most time to the detriment of the offense. Cause his teammates are forced to take bad shot so he's rewarded if they make them.

[DRose1899]

That's a joke, but clearly a bad ones :facepalm

seriously that PR agency that he recently hired have big job fixing this dude :rolleyes:

[RaininTwos]

Dudes who take jokes literally are the worst. :rolleyes:

[pauk]

its a................. ------>JOKE<-------


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/joke

joke
   [johk] Show IPA noun, verb, joked, jok

[SwooshReturns]

Not surprised its coming from the guy who never attempts a end of Q half court shot but pretends to do so by waiting for the buzzer before throwing it up.
Glad someone else notices this as well. He's not a gamer dude, he's a stat fiend.

Except in the Finals or when his team is down w/ what looks like no hope, and they actually need CONTEXT RICH production.

Such a loser.

:oldlol:

[StateOfMind12]

:eek: :eek: :eek: OH NO!!! LeBron made a joke about his stats!!! Let's make a thread and pretend he was serious!!!!

Seriously, people on here need more interesting things going on in their lives.:rolleyes:
Good attempt of an escape for your boy LeBron. Well...mediocre at best but it's what's come to be expected from you anyways.

LeBron should be thankful his team is blowing out the other team come 4th quarter time cause everyone would continue laughing at his choke performances if he doesn't.


Sitting in the 4th quarter masks his in ability to perform at said pressure packed situations. He should be very thankful of blow outs.:applause: :oldlol:

[pauk]

Sitting in the 4th quarter masks his in ability to perform at said pressure packed situations. He should be very thankful of blow outs.

OH YES......... VERY THANKFUL..........


http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-Clutch.png

Gamewinning shots since 2002-03
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GameWinners.jpg

www.82games.com

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2008-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2009-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2010-clutch-stats.jpg

[chips93]

RG is a phagg0t . . .

[jlip]

If the typical student paid as much diligent attention to his/ her teachers as some people on this forum do to every word Lebron says then the average GPA, ACT, and SAT scores in this country would be much higher.

[Bladers]

won't be surprised if the video is pulled later on today.

[pauk]

If the typical student paid as much diligent attention to his/ her teachers as some people on this forum do to every word Lebron says then the average GPA, ACT, and SAT scores in this country would be much higher.

:oldlol: :applause:

[Bladers]

firstly, so what if lebron cares about his stats? whatever motivates a great player, i dont really care, i just care how he plays. does what motivates him, change the fact that he is a great player? of course not. all that matters is how well he plays, not why he plays

irregardless, it was clearly a joke

Exactly I don't get why people are bagging him in this thread for stat-pad. So what. Atleast give him credit for admitting the obvious.

I have gained more respect for him after this.

[Fudge]

Sitting in the 4th quarter masks his in ability to perform at said pressure packed situations. He should be very thankful of blow outs.
:oldlol: +1

[SwooshReturns]

OH YES......... VERY THANKFUL..........


http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-Clutch.png

Gamewinning shots since 2002-03
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GameWinners.jpg

www.82games.com

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2008-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2009-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2010-clutch-stats.jpg
Difficult in game context situations aren't measured in numerical form. Flat fourth quarter production averages does not a clutch player make. For all we know the majority of those games could feed into LeBron's front running nature. Like they could be winning with the game in hand when he is putting up those numbers.

With the actual EYE TEST

If say the team is down and no one is playing well ...

Or a critical basket is needed to stop a run ...

Or a defensive stop is needed on say someone who is torching your team with dribble penetration and pull up jumpers (Hi, Jason Terry !!!) ...

THAT is clutch. But go ahead and keep posting your stat columns that don't represent the ebb and flow, and actual clutch or critical situations of a game.

Loser.

[Fudge]

Nobody can even tell if LeBron is serious or not because that's something Bron would realistically say. :oldlol:

[madmax]

oh no, NBA superstar wants his stats to look good (even if he said so jokingly:lol):eek: I'm sure the likes of Kobrick are very unselfish creatures when they shoot 25-30 times per game...:rolleyes:

[Dengness9]

OH YES......... VERY THANKFUL..........


http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-Clutch.png

Gamewinning shots since 2002-03
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GameWinners.jpg

www.82games.com

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2008-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2009-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2010-clutch-stats.jpg


I missed the part in there that list how many championships he has.....
:lol

Seriously fool, Lebron's stats mean NOTHING if he doesn't win atleast 1 chip but realistically he needs to win not 7, not 8.....

[pauk]

Difficult in game context situations aren't measured in numerical form. Flat fourth quarter production averages does not a clutch player make. For all we know the majority of those games could feed into LeBron's front running nature. Like they could be winning with the game in hand when he is putting up those numbers.

With the actual EYE TEST

If say the team is down and no one is playing well ...

Or a critical basket is needed to stop a run ...

Or a defensive stop is needed on say someone who is torching your team with dribble penetration and pull up jumpers (Hi, Jason Terry !!!) ...

THAT is clutch. But go ahead and keep posting your stat columns that don't represent the ebb and flow, and actual clutch or critical situations of a game.

Loser.

This my friends is a classical example of a delusional specimen trying to ignore facts so he can continue to fap to his imaginary thoughts .....

These are very advanced, unique and explicit specimens.....

[HorryIsMyMVP]

I missed the part in there that list how many championships he has.....
:lol

Seriously fool, Lebron's stats mean NOTHING if he doesn't win atleast 1 chip but realistically he needs to win not 7, not 8.....
Taking the Cavs to the finals is more then Kobe ever accomplished all by himself.

[Kurosawa0]

I think LeBron's averages are doing just fine.

[Fudge]

OH YES......... VERY THANKFUL..........


http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-Clutch.png

Gamewinning shots since 2002-03
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GameWinners.jpg

www.82games.com

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2008-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2009-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2010-clutch-stats.jpg
:roll:

How many times have you posted this in the past month?

Anyways, all of this accumulates to how many rings again? :oldlol: In this case, hard work does not pay off. Your boy Bron is all stats. Deal with it. :oldlol:

[HurricaneKid]

This is ridiculous. Right now the front page of Yahoo is "LeBron James Makes Kid Cry".

And the OP is trying to top that.

[pauk]

I missed the part in there that list how many championships he has.....
:lol

Seriously fool, Lebron's stats mean NOTHING if he doesn't win atleast 1 chip but realistically he needs to win not 7, not 8.....

I missed the part in there in that explains what a team accomplishment has ANYTHING to do with being clutch?

Seriously fool, how do you discredit such a talented-skilled-productive-dominant player just because he didnt had everything handed to him on a silverplate like Kobe had?

Since when did team accomplishments become the act of ONE MAN?

If it is the act of ONE MAN... can you then please explain how somebody like Kobe won championships? He has been less clutch, less productive, less dominant in the playoffs..............

Can you tell me how somebody like Kobe could win championships with these choking numbers:

37-97 .360% in game 7's
38-108 .352% in title winning games
41% in 37 finals games
66-163 .400% to win finals mvp.. lowest fg% for any Finals MVP
14-56 .250% game winning shots
yup
Kobe

the playoffs are what matter when you really step it up!!!!

Kobe:.......................LeBron:
2011: 23/3/3.......................24/8/6
2010: 29/6/6.......................29/9/8 on 50%
2009: 30/5/6.......................35/9/7 on 51%
2008: 30/6/6.......................28/8/8
2007: 33/5/4.......................25/8/8
2006: 28/6/6.......................31/8/6

Career averages:

Kobe: 25/5/5
LeBron: 28/8/7

LeBron beats Kobe even when comparing a better Kobe want to compare these two at the same stages of their career and see what really happens?

Kobe:.....................LeBron:
1999: 20/7/5..............2006: 31/8/6
2000: 21/5/4..............2007: 25/8/8
2001: 29/7/6..............2008: 28/8/8
2002: 27/6/5..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2003: 32/5/5..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2004: 25/5/6..............2011: 24/8/6

LeBron crushes Kobe.

Now If we are staying on topic and comparing choking jobs...In Kobes 2004 playoff run he shot 41% FG and 25% 3PT ...

LeBron shot 47% FG and 35% 3PT

So I guess its safe to say with all the information gained in this thread...

LeBrons' regular season > Kobe's

LeBron's postseason > Kobe's

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.

So once again where is the hate for LeBron coming from when Kobe is worse?

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

Last playoff/final game each year.THE BIG GAMES...Elimination games

Kobe: .................LeBron:
2011: 7-18 39%........9-15 60%

2010: 6-24 25%........8-21 38%

2009: 10-23 44%........8-20 40%

2008: 7-22 32% ......14-29 48%

2007: 13-33 39%......10-30 33%

2006: 8-16 50%.........11-24 46%

2004: 7-21 33%

2003: 9-19 47%

2002: 7-16 44%

2001: 7-18 39%

2000: 8-27 30%

1999: 7-16 44%

1997: 4-14 29%


One has had a longer career than the other.... what we know right now?

Games over 60%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 0

Games over 50%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 1

Games over 45%: LeBron - 3 Kobe - 2

Games under 40%: LeBron - 2 Kobe - 8

Games under 35%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 5

Games under 30%: LeBron - 0 Kobe - 2 ( should be 3 but 2000 is rounded)

Looks like LeBron is doing ok while kobe chokes it up

Kobes overall finals performance:

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

Look how terrible Kobe's numbers are (choking!!!)..... LeBrons overall finals performance in 2011:

10-11 47%.... Kobe only had ONE year better than this. Heck Kobe's second best year is 43%...fail!

Also in the Finals LeBron averaged more assists per game than Jason Kidd and almost as many rebounds as Tyson Chandler.

But Kobe blows EVERY finals EVERY SINGLE ONE except for once in 2002? and all the silly Kobe kids ignore that?...

Kobe is overrated and for some reason LeBron gets some undeserved hate when he is a better player than Kobe.

Kobe's Playoffs/Final Stats or Clutch stats there are laughable. Biggest choker/chucker

:no:

[Fudge]

Guys guys, pauk's european. Stats is the only going for him for LeBron if they aren't his actual ball games. Simmer down.

[White Mamba]

won't be surprised if the video is pulled later on today.
:roll: :roll: :applause: :applause:

[pauk]

Guys guys, pauk's european. Stats is the only going for him for LeBron if they aren't his actual ball games. Simmer down.

Is that your best response to those facts? :rolleyes:

[Jotaro Durant]

Sitting in the 4th quarter masks his in ability to perform at said pressure packed situations. He should be very thankful of blow outs.
:applause: :bowdown:

[Fudge]

I missed the part in there in that explains what a team accomplishment has ANYTHING to do with being clutch?
Because if he was "clutch", then it would've SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY lead to a championship. Bar none.


Seriously fool, how do you discredit such a talented-skilled-productive-dominant player just because he didnt had everything handed to him on a silverplate like Kobe had?
Talented but not a winner is what everyone puts it as. You're just angry that you can't dispute. Talking about Kobe getting handed everything on a silver plate? At least he was being handed a great team, not running away from one and joining one. :oldlol:

And the rest is just you :cry: :cry:. Nothing to see here.

[SwooshReturns]

Pauk,

Kobe wasn't a starter until 1999, he had to un-seat an ALL STAR shooting guard who was ahead of him on the roster to earn his position, first.

We know how you have double standards ... we can't compare MJ to LeBron off number of years in the league, you do it by age to justify the comparison or failures. So we'll take the same approach here to make it fair for both parties, shall we?

So if we're going by each of Kobe and LeBron's 3rd year after given the starting position so the context of their roles on the team would be more similar, thus making the comparison more valid this is how it would shake out.

Bolded is the better season. Either due to statistical superiority, or inclusion of context (trip to the finals, performance in playoffs, winning a championship, MVP award, roster worked with, opponent quality faced, etc)


Kobe:.....................LeBron:
2001: 29/7/6..............2006: 31/8/6
2002: 27/6/5..............2007: 25/8/8
2003: 32/5/5..............2008: 28/8/8
2004: 25/5/6..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2005: 28/6/6..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2006: 35/5/5..............2011: 24/8/6

This comparison makes most sense. LeBron entered his prime in 2006, Kobe entered his prime in 2001.

So, ummm ... yea, by my count Kobe has more superior seasons WITH CONTEXT in comparison.

[ImmortalD24]

won't be surprised if the video is pulled later on today.
Here you go: (Audio only) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGoe6nuRC9A&

[SonicJam]

Pauk,

Kobe wasn't a starter until 1999, he had to un-seat an ALL STAR shooting guard who was ahead of him on the roster to earn his position, first.

We know how you have double standards ... we can't compare MJ to LeBron off number of years in the league, you do it by age to justify the comparison or failures. So we'll take the same approach here to make it fair for both parties, shall we?

So if we're going by each of Kobe and LeBron's 3rd year after given the starting position so the context of their roles on the team would be more similar, thus making the comparison more valid this is how it would shake out.

Bolded is the better season. Either due to statistical superiority, or inclusion of context (trip to the finals, performance in playoffs, winning a championship, MVP award, roster worked with, opponent quality faced, etc)


Kobe:.....................LeBron:
2001: 29/7/6..............2006: 31/8/6
2002: 27/6/5..............2007: 25/8/8
2003: 32/5/5..............2008: 28/8/8
2004: 25/5/6..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2005: 28/6/6..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2006: 35/5/5..............2011: 24/8/6

This comparison makes most sense. LeBron entered his prime in 2006, Kobe entered his prime in 2001.

So, ummm ... yea, by my count Kobe has more superior seasons WITH CONTEXT in comparison.

2001.. Since when is 29/7/6 better then 31/8/6 ??

Also maybe add the efficiancy into each year and you will see that Lebron still comes out on top even in the seasons you say kobe was better.

[stallionaire]

Here you go: (Audio only) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGoe6nuRC9A&

Lol, i like how it's audio only.

When there's a video with it, you can obviously tell he's being funny with his facial expression and prima donna wink.

LeBron haters are ****ing hilarious. They'll do anything to rip on him.

[ImmortalD24]

Lol, i like how it's audio only.

When there's a video with it, you can obviously tell he's being funny with his facial expression and prima donna wink.

LeBron haters are ****ing hilarious. They'll do anything to rip on him.
Eh, ESPN usually goes hard on copyright violations when it's video + audio. I went with just audio here as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxT-3yeNOTM

Don't be a dumbass.

[SwooshReturns]

2001.. Since when is 29/7/6 better then 31/8/6 ??
Since he played ELITE defense (probably the best of his career, which his entire reputation is now based off from this season) defense that rivals Scottie Pippen's best for comparison sake ... where as LeBron was a bad defender in 2006, and pretty average AT BEST defender until 2009.

Kobe had THE BEST "sidekick" performance of all-time in the regular season AND playoffs that season. Even though in 2001 and 2002 he was more CO-ALPHA with Shaq. Even though Shaq fans will refuse to admit it.

Off his performances alone, Kobe won them their most grueling series v.s. the Spurs. Like Shaq was a 2nd option that entire series type stuff.

Kobe won a championship (his 2nd), helped lead a team to an almost perfect playoff win / loss record, and after game 1 v.s. the Sixers ... made MVP, Allen Iverson work for every point he got.

Kobe's 2001 > LeBron's 2006

[pegasus]

"I'm tired of shitting out fourth quarters. It's messing up my averages."

I'm confused. Is he referring to the 2011 finals?

[SlayerEnraged]

I missed the part in there in that explains what a team accomplishment has ANYTHING to do with being clutch?

Seriously fool, how do you discredit such a talented-skilled-productive-dominant player just because he didnt had everything handed to him on a silverplate like Kobe had?

Since when did team accomplishments become the act of ONE MAN?

If it is the act of ONE MAN... can you then please explain how somebody like Kobe won championships? He has been less clutch, less productive, less dominant in the playoffs..............

Can you tell me how somebody like Kobe could win championships with these choking numbers:

37-97 .360% in game 7's
38-108 .352% in title winning games
41% in 37 finals games
66-163 .400% to win finals mvp.. lowest fg% for any Finals MVP
14-56 .250% game winning shots
yup
Kobe

the playoffs are what matter when you really step it up!!!!

Kobe:.......................LeBron:
2011: 23/3/3.......................24/8/6
2010: 29/6/6.......................29/9/8 on 50%
2009: 30/5/6.......................35/9/7 on 51%
2008: 30/6/6.......................28/8/8
2007: 33/5/4.......................25/8/8
2006: 28/6/6.......................31/8/6

Career averages:

Kobe: 25/5/5
LeBron: 28/8/7

LeBron beats Kobe even when comparing a better Kobe want to compare these two at the same stages of their career and see what really happens?

Kobe:.....................LeBron:
1999: 20/7/5..............2006: 31/8/6
2000: 21/5/4..............2007: 25/8/8
2001: 29/7/6..............2008: 28/8/8
2002: 27/6/5..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2003: 32/5/5..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2004: 25/5/6..............2011: 24/8/6

LeBron crushes Kobe.

Now If we are staying on topic and comparing choking jobs...In Kobes 2004 playoff run he shot 41% FG and 25% 3PT ...

LeBron shot 47% FG and 35% 3PT

So I guess its safe to say with all the information gained in this thread...

LeBrons' regular season > Kobe's

LeBron's postseason > Kobe's

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.

So once again where is the hate for LeBron coming from when Kobe is worse?

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

Last playoff/final game each year.THE BIG GAMES...Elimination games

Kobe: .................LeBron:
2011: 7-18 39%........9-15 60%

2010: 6-24 25%........8-21 38%

2009: 10-23 44%........8-20 40%

2008: 7-22 32% ......14-29 48%

2007: 13-33 39%......10-30 33%

2006: 8-16 50%.........11-24 46%

2004: 7-21 33%

2003: 9-19 47%

2002: 7-16 44%

2001: 7-18 39%

2000: 8-27 30%

1999: 7-16 44%

1997: 4-14 29%


One has had a longer career than the other.... what we know right now?

Games over 60%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 0

Games over 50%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 1

Games over 45%: LeBron - 3 Kobe - 2

Games under 40%: LeBron - 2 Kobe - 8

Games under 35%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 5

Games under 30%: LeBron - 0 Kobe - 2 ( should be 3 but 2000 is rounded)

Looks like LeBron is doing ok while kobe chokes it up

Kobes overall finals performance:

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

Look how terrible Kobe's numbers are (choking!!!)..... LeBrons overall finals performance in 2011:

10-11 47%.... Kobe only had ONE year better than this. Heck Kobe's second best year is 43%...fail!

Also in the Finals LeBron averaged more assists per game than Jason Kidd and almost as many rebounds as Tyson Chandler.

But Kobe blows EVERY finals EVERY SINGLE ONE except for once in 2002? and all the silly Kobe kids ignore that?...

Kobe is overrated and for some reason LeBron gets some undeserved hate when he is a better player than Kobe.

Kobe's Playoffs/Final Stats or Clutch stats there are laughable. Biggest choker/chucker

:no:


LOLOL! keep cryin cause Lechoke and Lebrick stinks when it matters. Hey moron, Kobe's an average fg% shooter for the nba. Lebron is above the average in that. You don't need to make Kobe seem worse than he really iis by inflating and using one particularly statistical category multiple times. The one "average" part of Kobe's game has to do with efficiency(mostly fg%)..some of which is to blame on him for shot selection, etc while some of it is having the balls to shoot half court shots at the buzzers and realize that it doesn't matter that that 1 miss is going to dock his fg% by 2-3%. While Kobe weakness is the efficicency/fg% area, Lebrons weakness is MUCH more serious, in that he sucks in half court style of basketball AND pressure situations. Lebron vs. Bown 07:38% shooting finals..Kobe vs Bowen 08: 30ppg, 50% shooting. Lebron:crappy vs any and all Half court paced games. Don't let Lebron get fast break points and he's barely an allstar.

[SwooshReturns]

Also maybe add the efficiancy into each year and you will see that Lebron still comes out on top even in the seasons you say kobe was better.
It's not just statistical performance. Of course a LeBron fan wouldn't understand this ...

Kobe was a vastly superior man defender. That's a player capability. As in it can't be measured in a STAT column. It comes from watching games, and KNOWING what you're watching as well.

Context, player capabilities, role, playoff performance, playoff competition, was your team underdog or defending champs (makes a difference when bums are geared up to play you on a nightly basis) ... you know actual CONTEXT

Kobe's 2001 was easily better than LeBron's 2006.

[Droid101]

Pauk, shut your ****ing mouth.

Clutch stats last season (when you and everyone was saying lebitch was better in the clutch):

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

That's right, Kobe led the league in clutch scoring and led all non-point guards in clutch assists (yep, more than your boy le****stick).

Get a life you pathetic troll.

[SlayerEnraged]

2001.. Since when is 29/7/6 better then 31/8/6 ??

Also maybe add the efficiancy into each year and you will see that Lebron still comes out on top even in the seasons you say kobe was better.

LOL efficiciency isn't everything like stupid ass homers try and make it. Check out who won game 7 of the 2010 finals. The more efficient team LOST and the less efficient team Won. Crappy players and teams(crappy for nba quality) can have good efficienchy but could never average good ppg and numbers. Efficiency is the most overrated stat/topic in the book. Also, in regards to the 01 vs 06 comparison...A) Kobe played way better defense..B)Kobe was sharing the ball with Shaq so of course his numbers aren't going to be off the roof and C) Kobe actually WON! Doesn't matter if u get 100points, 20rebs, 15 assists on 50% Fg if your team lost.

[GOBB]

Looked like a joke to me. :confusedshrug:

[SwooshReturns]

Looked like a joke to me. :confusedshrug:
In ALL humor there are elements of truth. That's what makes them funny.

[ImmortalD24]

Pauk, shut your ****ing mouth.

Clutch stats last season (when you and everyone was saying lebitch was better in the clutch):

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

That's right, Kobe led the league in clutch scoring and led all non-point guards in clutch assists (yep, more than your boy le****stick).

Get a life you pathetic troll.
Slapped. :roll:

[SwooshReturns]

Pauk, shut your ****ing mouth.

Clutch stats last season (when you and everyone was saying lebitch was better in the clutch):

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

That's right, Kobe led the league in clutch scoring and led all non-point guards in clutch assists (yep, more than your boy le****stick).

Get a life you pathetic troll.
That is going to leave a mark ... DAMN.

:pimp:

[SlayerEnraged]

Dumbest post I've seen all year (regarding LeBron/Kobe).. and I'm a Kobe guy.

What's stupid about it? Lebron doesn't choke when it matters...Lebron shoots heaving shots before the buzzer goes off? :confusedshrug:

[Real Men Wear Green]

This is really a big deal to people?

[SlayerEnraged]

Pauk, shut your ****ing mouth.

Clutch stats last season (when you and everyone was saying lebitch was better in the clutch):

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

That's right, Kobe led the league in clutch scoring and led all non-point guards in clutch assists (yep, more than your boy le****stick).

Get a life you pathetic troll.

This is what's hilarious about stats and people..People were always quackin and shit about Kobe not being clutch 2010-11 when on paper he was actually having a more clutch season than normal...:rolleyes:

The idiocity of the typical stat geek.

[Oositdwn]

4 pages of arguing for a random joke, come on people......

[ImmortalD24]

What's stupid about it? Lebron doesn't choke when it matters...Lebron shoots heaving shots before the buzzer goes off? :confusedshrug:
You should've left off that last sentence. That was 32dayesque.

[pegasus]

Pauk, shut your ****ing mouth.

Clutch stats last season (when you and everyone was saying lebitch was better in the clutch):

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

That's right, Kobe led the league in clutch scoring and led all non-point guards in clutch assists (yep, more than your boy le****stick).

Get a life you pathetic troll.

:bowdown:

That's some serious garlic to pauk's vampire.

[Jotaro Durant]

Pauk, shut your ****ing mouth.

Clutch stats last season (when you and everyone was saying lebitch was better in the clutch):

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

That's right, Kobe led the league in clutch scoring and led all non-point guards in clutch assists (yep, more than your boy le****stick).

Get a life you pathetic troll.
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/LeBron-shares-gentle-moment-with-Lil-Bronnie.png

[Dictator]

Pauk, shut your ****ing mouth.

Clutch stats last season (when you and everyone was saying lebitch was better in the clutch):

http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

That's right, Kobe led the league in clutch scoring and led all non-point guards in clutch assists (yep, more than your boy le****stick).

Get a life you pathetic troll.

this.

[Droid101]

This is what's hilarious about stats and people..People were always quackin and shit about Kobe not being clutch 2010-11 when on paper he was actually having a more clutch season than normal...:rolleyes:

The idiocity of the typical stat geek.
Exactly. I can find 50 stats to say a certain player is better than another one or what the **** ever.

You know how to really tell? Watch the ****ing games. Jesus ****.

[pegasus]

This is what's hilarious about stats and people..People were always quackin and shit about Kobe not being clutch 2010-11 when on paper he was actually having a more clutch season than normal...:rolleyes:

The idiocity of the typical stat geek.

He was not his usual clutch self, especially considering the incredible amount of game winning shots he made in the 2009-2010 season, but I guess even despite of the obvious drop, he was still the most clutch player last season.

[SlayerEnraged]

Exactly. I can find 50 stats to say a certain player is better than another one or what the **** ever.

You know how to really tell? Watch the ****ing games. Jesus ****.

Yup. Some people just don't understand certain things. Basketball is not a game about numbers. I,as well as any real fan could tell you any player who deserves to be an allstar without looking at the stat sheet and just watching them play. There's just so many scenerios and things than can affect virtually any stat. Sometimes the best defensive team in the league plays crappy defense...sometimes the worst defensive team ever has a really good night. There's just too many variables to access that influence stats. Non athletic fat people don't give a crap about the actual sport itself...they're only interested in numbers and from that they try to form conclusions on stuff that they don't know wtf they're talking about. Thats why you watch games and not the numbers.

[SlayerEnraged]

He was not his usual clutch self, especially considering the incredible amount of game winning shots he made in the 2009-2010 season, but I guess even despite of the obvious drop, he was still the most clutch player last season.

Well I don't think Kobe was as clutch in 2010-11 as 2010 and years prior but this is exactly my point. Kobe ended up better on paper in 2011 than years that we think he looked more clutch Stats lie.

[bdreason]

Most NBA players follow their stats closely. It's something they grow accustomed to in HS and AAU ball.

[Inactive]

Well I don't think Kobe was as clutch in 2010-11 as 2010 and years prior but this is exactly my point. Kobe ended up better on paper in 2011 than years that we think he looked more clutch Stats lie.08: 52/8/6 4 TO .448 shooting.

09: 57/8/6 3 TO 1 stl .457 shooting

10: 51/7/4 3 TO 2 stl .444 shooting

11: 50/9/8 6 TO 2 stl .402 shooting

So in 2011 he was missing more, turning it over more, getting to the line less, and dominating the ball more. He took as many shots per 48, as he did in 09, but scored 7 less points.

And keep in mind that this is close games, in the last 5 minutes. If you're watching a game, and it's close, with 5 min left, you probably aren't going to take note of the clutch shots that people are hitting, in the way that you would if there was say 1:30 left. If the game stays close, you'll forget about those shots that were taken with 5 min to go, and if momentum swings, and the game doesn't stay close, you probably aren't going to credit a specific player's "clutch" shot(s) with that momentum shift.

[GOBB]

In ALL humor there are elements of truth. That's what makes them funny.

Not really.

[Lebron23]

5 F*cking pages. LMAO at these Kobetards. It was a F*cking Joke.

[Droid101]

5 F*cking pages. LMAO at these Kobetards. It was a F*cking Joke.
Joke's on you because the comment hasn't been discussed since page 2.

[Lebron23]

Exactly. I can find 50 stats to say a certain player is better than another one or what the **** ever.

You know how to really tell? Watch the ****ing games. Jesus ****.

http://images.wikia.com/dcanimated/images/5/58/Joker_death.png

How many Miami Heat games have you watched this season?‎

[Fudge]

5 F*cking pages. LMAO at these Kobetards. It was a F*cking Joke.
Mad bro? :oldlol:

[Droid101]

Mad bro? :oldlol:
Yeah, he mad.

[Lebron23]

Joke's on you because the comment hasn't been discussed since page 2.


You are the biggest joke in this forum. Maybe the NBA officials needs to stop counting these stats. We wouldn't even know how many shots Kobe miss in a single game.

[Droid101]

You are the biggest joke in this forum. Maybe the NBA officials needs to stop counting these stats. We wouldn't even know how many shots Kobe miss in a single game.
Sad that the stat pauk tries to use to build LeBron up just makes Kobe look even better? :lol

[Whoah10115]

Give credit where credit is due. A guy shows his sense of humor, member makes a thread that shows he shouldn't be allowed to touch computers.

[dunksby]

GOAT fantasy player.

[Droid101]

Give credit where credit is due. A guy shows his sense of humor, member makes a thread that shows he shouldn't be allowed to touch computers.
Mad that I trolled you hard? :roll:

[Whoah10115]

Mad that I trolled you hard? :roll:



:(

[d21221hk]

:(
:roll:

[G-Funk]

what a ****ing stat patter

[Droid101]

:(
I apologize.

[talkingconch]

:oldlol: I knew pauk would be going apeshit in this thread

yeah it looked like a joke tho

[zizozain]

[QUOTE=pauk]its a................. ------>JOKE<-------


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/joke

joke
   [johk] Show IPA noun, verb, joked, jok

[SpecialQue]

I thought Lebron didn't like these kind of blowouts:

http://www.tofugu.com/2012/02/18/japanese-fart-scrolls/

:confusedshrug:

[chips93]

The psychology of jokes

Each single action that a person takes even if it was as simple as telling a joke reflects his unconscious desires and psychological makeup.

Contrary to common beliefs jokes are not only told to make people laugh but they are told to help people satisfy some of their important psychological needs.

this kind of armchair psychology is an insidehoops staple

[PJR]

There isn't a star caliber player in any sport that doesn't care about their numbers

[stallionaire]

this kind of armchair psychology is an insidehoops staple
:roll:

[zizozain]

RRRertard3

''a low self esteem prostitute who wishes to see much more women engaged in prostitution''

that's Lebron and his jockers

Lebron is the prostitute of the NBA
his jockers are the prostitutes of ISH

[chips93]

RRRertard3

''a low self esteem prostitute who wishes to see much more women engaged in prostitution''

that's Lebron and his jockers

Lebron is the prostitute of the NBA
his jockers are the prostitutes of ISH

care to elaborate buddy?

[Mr. Jabbar]

like he would improve his stats by playing 4th quarters :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

lol at pauk making a fool of himself :oldlol:

5 > 0

Deal with it kid.

[Derrick]

firstly, so what if lebron cares about his stats? whatever motivates a great player, i dont really care, i just care how he plays. does what motivates him, change the fact that he is a great player? of course not. all that matters is how well he plays, not why he plays

irregardless, it was clearly a joke
Why would you say firstly if you weren't going to go on to say secondly thirdly or another point, etc etc? lol

[Pointguard]

If Lebron wanted to win the scoring race he could do it without much sweat. Lebron is the only player that gets 24 in the first half and is totally cool without shooting in the second half.

[pegasus]

Lebron is the only player that gets 24 in the first half and is totally cool without shooting in the second half.

Only if he can get 5-6 assists in the second half. Actually that's his game plan. Score in the first half, collect assists in the second half. But that's not natural, and it hurts his team instead of helping, especially in the tough playoff atmosphere. That's why he doesn't affect the outcome of games as much as his numbers would suggest.

[RaininTwos]

Only if he can get 5-6 assists in the second half. Actually that's his game plan. Score in the first half, collect assists in the second half. But that's not natural, and it hurts his team instead of helping, especially in the tough playoff atmosphere. That's why he doesn't affect the outcome of games as much as his numbers would suggest.
Insightful bro.

[chips93]

Why would you say firstly if you weren't going to go on to say secondly thirdly or another point, etc etc? lol

lol

i think i had written a couple of other points, but i must have deleted them before i posted it

[Brickz187]

Every thread ends up a kobe vs lebron love fest. Sh*t is ridiculous. Anyways, clearly a joke and a jab at all the people who say all he cares about is stats. It really is not that serious.

[Scholar]

firstly, so what if lebron cares about his stats? whatever motivates a great player, i dont really care, i just care how he plays. does what motivates him, change the fact that he is a great player? of course not. all that matters is how well he plays, not why he plays

irregardless, it was clearly a joke

What if what motivates a great player is knowing that little kids cheer whenever he performs well, so he rapes his youngster fans whenever he gets a chance? Would that be okay with you?














Yes, extreme example. **** you for taking it seriously.

[tmacattack33]

OH YES......... VERY THANKFUL..........


http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-Clutch.png

Gamewinning shots since 2002-03
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GameWinners.jpg

www.82games.com

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2008-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2009-clutch-stats.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/2010-clutch-stats.jpg

Showing that he is more clutch than Kobe is meaningless and won't really get you any where. If you want to prove he is clutch, please find some comparisons who are actually clutch in the first place.

[DJ Leon Smith]

OH YES......... VERY THANKFUL..........

Very informative stats!

Was wondering though, do you have the stats of LeBron James vs Jason Terry head-to-head in the NBA Finals?

[Punpun]

LBJ general stats of the finals speak for themselves. You don't even need to go as far as you want DJ to know LBJ is the GOAT choker.

[ThatsGame]

Kobe has lost too.

[Asukal]

I remember pauk claims that Lebron is not his most favorite player yet he defends him everytime. :roll:

[Punpun]

Lost ? In the Finals ? While Lowering his average ppg by 16 ?

:roll:

[madmax]

Only if he can get 5-6 assists in the second half. Actually that's his game plan. Score in the first half, collect assists in the second half. But that's not natural, and it hurts his team instead of helping, especially in the tough playoff atmosphere. That's why he doesn't affect the outcome of games as much as his numbers would suggest.

wow, you are some basketball guru brah:bowdown:
In-depth anaysis, that's for damn sure...

[Tmuston Beltics]

lol at pauk making a fool of himself :oldlol:

5 > 0

Deal with it kid.

You don't even have to deal with it because those numbers has nothing to do with you.

[Figlo]

Showing that he is more clutch than Kobe is meaningless and won't really get you any where. If you want to prove he is clutch, please find some comparisons who are actually clutch in the first place.

Jordan???

[Simple Jack]

Glad someone else notices this as well. He's not a gamer dude, he's a stat fiend.

Except in the Finals or when his team is down w/ what looks like no hope, and they actually need CONTEXT RICH production.

Such a loser.

:oldlol:

I posted about this a while back and included plenty of very long LeBron buzzer beaters. Do you purposefully choose to not acknowledge how many times he's done this?

[d21221hk]

You don't even have to deal with it because those numbers has nothing to do with you.
It does. He's like the biggest kobe stan of them all and there isn't a single kobe thread that he's not in and there isn't a single heat thread he isn't in spewing anti heat venom. I lurked for 2 weeks waiting for my account to get activiated and this guy is one of the worst. He won't admit it and tries to act like he's rational and unbiased but who is he kidding?

[Heavincent]

It does. He's like the biggest kobe stan of them all and there isn't a single kobe thread that he's not in and there isn't a single heat thread he isn't in spewing anti heat venom. I lurked for 2 weeks waiting for my account to get activiated and this guy is one of the worst. He won't admit it and tries to act like he's rational and unbiased but who is he kidding?

Love you too babe :cheers:

[Simple Jack]

People claiming his style of play hurts the team; when would you say this started? In Cleveland? Where, iirc, they had the most 4th quarter comebacks of any team in the league and LeBron was almost always 1 or 2 in 4th quarter scoring?

Reading these forums, you would think LeBron is some B level player with the talent of Mark Madsen.

[iDefend5]

People claiming his style of play hurts the team; when would you say this started? In Cleveland? Where, iirc, they had the most 4th quarter comebacks of any team in the league and LeBron was almost always 1 or 2 in 4th quarter scoring?

Reading these forums, you would think LeBron is some B level player with the talent of Mark Madsen.
Can you tell me why you root and hop on one player's dick opposed to a team? What is the point of that?

[Simple Jack]

Can you tell me why you root and hop on one player's dick opposed to a team? What is the point of that?

I love GS/Sac...am a fan of NY as well as I live here but I tend to follow players...always have. I was always into HS ball so if I like someone back then, I don't automatically choose not to depending on what team they go to which happens to be completely random. I'm a fan of players I find entertaining and I cheer for their respective teams as well. Not sure what is so bizarre about that.

[iDefend5]

I love GS/Sac...am a fan of NY as well as I live here but I tend to follow players...always have. I was always into HS ball so if I like someone back then, I don't automatically choose not to depending on what team they go to which happens to be completely random. I'm a fan of players I find entertaining and I cheer for their respective teams as well. Not sure what is so bizarre about that.
doesn't sound right, you seem to just talk about lebron and that's it. I have never seen you talk about a different subject other than Lebron. I've never seen you post in any game thread other than Cavs/Heat/Lebron one either.

Pretty sure ur lying brah

[G-train]

it was a joke u tards

[Simple Jack]

doesn't sound right, you seem to just talk about lebron and that's it. I have never seen you talk about a different subject other than Lebron. I've never seen you post in any game thread other than Cavs/Heat/Lebron one either.

Pretty sure ur lying brah

:facepalm

[DMAVS41]

doesn't sound right, you seem to just talk about lebron and that's it. I have never seen you talk about a different subject other than Lebron. I've never seen you post in any game thread other than Cavs/Heat/Lebron one either.

Pretty sure ur lying brah

What does it matter? Who the **** cares what he posts about? Address his posts....I'm so sick of people making this about anonymous internet posters.

Make it about content.

[iDefend5]

What does it matter? Who the **** cares what he posts about? Address his posts....I'm so sick of people making this about anonymous internet posters.

Make it about content.
I just wanted to know. Is there really a point of hopping on one players dick and then once that one player leaves you don't care about the team or the sport ever again? :confusedshrug:

[madmax]

I just wanted to know. Is there really a point of hopping on one players dick and then once that one player leaves you don't care about the team or the sport ever again? :confusedshrug:

you tell us - so what is wrong with following a player you like again?:confusedshrug:
Why don't you call out millions of Kobrick stans, flooding this board and others with their propaganda too?

[iDefend5]

you tell us - so what is wrong with following a player you like again?:confusedshrug:
Why don't you call out millions of Kobrick stans, flooding this board and others with their propaganda too?
because i don't know who is a kobe stan because Kobe has only played with one team in his career. pretty obvious who was a cavs fan before 2010 :oldlol:


like you

[PJR]

Idefend5= fa990t

[Simple Jack]

I just wanted to know. Is there really a point of hopping on one players dick and then once that one player leaves you don't care about the team or the sport ever again? :confusedshrug:

:roll: What makes you think I wouldn't like the sport ever again? I have plenty of players that I follow closely, and a handful of teams whose games I rarely miss.

[pegasus]

wow, you are some basketball guru brah:bowdown:
In-depth anaysis, that's for damn sure...
Just because you've heard it before, doesn't mean it shouldn't be said again. And just because it hasn't made through your thick skull yet, doesn't mean it's not true.

[kennethgriffin]

guess lebrons getting started earlier than expected

looks like miami is tanking tonight so lebron can play the 4th and keep his averages up