How is Durant not the best SF in the game?

[Bladers]

Lets look at durant's stats.

Durant: 27.7 ppg, 52% FG, 8 rbs, 3 asts 1.3 stls 1.3 blocks while taking 147 threes.

Lebron: 27.6 ppg, 55% FG, 8 rbs, 7 asts 1.7 stls 0.7 block while taking 63 thress.


1) Durant is the better and more versitile scorer.

2) They get the same amount of rebounds at game.

3) About FG%: If you cut out both players three-point attempt, they would be shooting the same percentage.

4) About FG%: While Lebron and Wade are out there running a "track meat" as wade put it and cherry picking to the point its illegal. Durant isn't.

5) Half-Court Offense: I believe the last time I checked Lebron was shoooting in the 40s in half court offense while durant was still shooting in the 50s.

6) Assists: Though Durant's assist numbers are low, they don't tell the true story. Lebron handles the ball alot and is ball dominant while Durant plays off the ball alot and isn't ball dominant. If he handled the ball as much as Lebron does he would likewise have the same amount of assists.

7) We see multiple times when Lebron pounds the ball for 20 seconds and passes in order to get an assist.

8) Durant is clutch and has many memorable clutch performances this season alone including a game winner.

9) Durants stats are actually better than Lebron in his own team with a shot jacking westbrook.

10) They have the same record but the difference is Lebron is doing it on the most stacked team in NBA history (three players in their absolute prime) while Durant isn't.

11) Durant is by far the better defender per synergy stats.


You can't tell me Durant isn't the best. There is no one better, lebron is the closest though. Got to give him credit.

[OKCThunderUP]

No, Lebron is definitely a better player right now.

[Bob Cousy]

you post head to head stats. LeBron's stats look more impressive and then you proceed to post non-analytical evidence as to why KD is better.

:facepalm:

[Bladers]

No, Lebron is definitely a better player right now.

The facts doesn't support it... what's he better at? Assists? He handles the ball 90% of the time and is extremely ball dominant.

Tell me what Lebron is better at. List them.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No, Lebron is definitely a better player right now.

OP gutted by an OKC fan. :oldlol:

[hawksdogsbraves]

Durant is not a better defender than Lebron by any stretch. Let's see these 'synergy stats'

[Bladers]

you post head to head stats. LeBron's stats look more impressive and then you proceed to post non-analytical evidence as to why KD is better.

:facepalm:

So we should throw out defense, clutch ability & performance, Offensive skills, whose with the better supporting cast, who's more valuable to their team, who's their team mates and the way a team plays?

[Celtics4ever]

Durant > LeBron by a slight margin because Durant can actually close out games.

[Rnbizzle]

There is no player in the NBA close to Lebron James right now, if you ask me.

[Bladers]

Durant is not a better defender than Lebron by any stretch. Let's see these 'synergy stats'

http://i.imgur.com/TpXB2.jpg

[Bladers]

Durant > LeBron by a slight margin because Durant can actually close out games.

I will definitely tell you i rather have a guy whose clutch and never afraid of the moment than a guy with mental problems whose scared of the ball in the 4th quarter.

[k0kakw0rld]

Durant > LeBron by a slight margin because Durant can actually close out games.
Here we go again...LeBron only plays 3/4 right? :facepalm

[Bob Cousy]

Durant > LeBron by a slight margin because Durant can actually close out games.
so we're gonna forget about the CHI and BOS series last postseason, were LeBron single handedly closes out those games in the final minutes ?

if it wasn't in the finals then it doesn't count as being clutch I guess ?:confusedshrug:

fickle basketball fans that only remember what they've seen last.

[Bladers]

There is no player in the NBA close to Lebron James right now, if you ask me.

Its funny how people post one liners and have no facts to back it op. the facts are in the OP. Deal with them. The only one close to Durant is Lebron.

[Bladers]

so we're gonna forget about the CHI and BOS series last postseason, were LeBron single handedly closes out those games in the final minutes ?

if it wasn't in the finals then it doesn't count as being clutch I guess ?:confusedshrug:

And what did he do in the biggest moment? he wet the bed.

Now please this is about this year, this season and Durant is by far better than Lebron. its close but Durant edges him out.

[Rnbizzle]

And what did he do in the biggest moment? he wet the bed.

Now please this is about this year, this season and Durant is by far better than Lebron. its close but Durant edges him out.
Kobe got sweeped by the Mavs, and it's not like he played brilliantly in that series, why are you morons so obsessed with LBJ? Clearly the only reason you made this thread is to discredit Lebron, because you know the consensus right now is that lebron is the best player in the game.

[RRR3]

And what did he do in the biggest moment? he wet the bed.

Now please this is about this year, this season and Durant is by far better than Lebron. its close but Durant edges him out.
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/214412/wtfjaguars.gif

[Bladers]

Kobe got sweeped by the Mavs, and it's not like he played brilliantly in that series, why are you morons so obsessed with LBJ? Clearly the only reason you made this thread is to discredit Lebron, because you know the consensus right now is that lebron is the best player in the game.

What does this have to do with Kobe? If you can't stay on the topic.... then GTFO!!

[Nash]

Yo OP, just because you say it over and over and over again won't magically make it true.

[rodman91]

I think they are close. There are certain things Durant does better and there are certain things Lebron does better. Lebron is better all around by far player but if it was that simple KG would be GOAT probably.

[Rnbizzle]

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/214412/wtfjaguars.gif
:applause:

[Bladers]

Yo OP, just because you say it over and over and over again won't magically make it true.

Unfortunately I have facts and statistic to back up each and every one of those eleven statements and you don't have any to refute them.

Won't that mean the your statements speaks more about you than about me?

[Nash]

Its not close. Lebron average 5 assists more which translates to at least 10 points, is shooting better while sharing the floor with Wade and Bosh and is a much better defender. The only edge Durant has right now is scoring with 0.1 points more.

[RRR3]

Its not close. Lebron average 5 assists more which translates to at least 10 points, is shooting better while sharing the floor with Wade and Bosh and is a much better defender. The only edge Durant has right now is scoring with 0.1 points more.
LeBron scores more per minute anyways.

[Nash]

Unfortunately I have facts and statistic to make up each and every one of those eleven statements and you don't have any to refute them.

Won't that mean the your statements speaks more about you than about me?
You have nothing, scoring they are equal, assists Lebron is much better and Lebron is shooting a better percentage. He's also a better defender. What statistics are you talking about, I don't know?

[Fudge]

LeBron's the best player in the world right now.

[Bladers]

You have nothing, scoring they are equal, assists Lebron is much better and Lebron is shooting a better percentage. He's also a better defender. What statistics are you talking about, I don't know?

Refute each and every one of these with stats. Try it.


1) Durant is the better and more versitile scorer.

Show me stats that Lebron is a better and more versatile scorer than Durant.

2) They get the same amount of rebounds at game.

Well I'm sure u wont refute this one.

3) About FG%: If you cut out both players three-point attempt, they would be shooting the same percentage.

Again post their FG% without three-point.

4) About FG%: While Lebron and Wade are out there running a "track meat" as wade put it and cherry picking to the point its illegal. Durant isn't.

Post their Fastbreak points and total dunks.

5) Half-Court Offense: I believe the last time I checked Lebron was shoooting in the 40s in half court offense while durant was still shooting in the 50s.

Post their half court offense stats.

6) Assists: Though Durant's assist numbers are low, they don't tell the true story. Lebron handles the ball alot and is ball dominant while Durant plays off the ball alot and isn't ball dominant. If he handled the ball as much as Lebron does he would likewise have the same amount of assists.

Post stats that refute this.

7) We see multiple times when Lebron pounds the ball for 20 seconds and passes in order to get an assist.

Post evidence that refute this. I will point you to game threads for evidence that supports it though if you want.

8) Durant is clutch and has many memorable clutch performances this season alone including a game winner.

Again post (THIS SEASON) stats that shows otherwise.

9) Durants stats are actually better than Lebron in his own team with a shot jacking westbrook.

Post stats that refute this.

10) They have the same record but the difference is Lebron is doing it on the most stacked team in NBA history (three players in their absolute prime) while Durant isn't.

This one is pretty obvious but if you want to challenge it then post some evidence against it. prove that Wade, Lebron and Bosh ain't in their absolute prime. prove it.

11) Durant is by far the better defender per synergy stats.

I posted the synergy stats in pg 1



I will give you time to post your stats, your evidences. If not I will post those stats for you.

[LamarOdom]

Durant is a great player but no one is better then The King. He is a better passer, defender and is the most all round player in the league.

About his clutchness wasn't he the same guy who lead the league when playing with Cavs in 4qt points? But he didn't step up against Mavs and now he is the most unclutch player in the league. He will get another opportunity this year.

And one more thing for a guy and now qouting you "Durant plays off the ball alot and isn't ball dominant" 3,7 TO per game is alot of f*cking TO.

[arifgokcen]

Terrible thread by a terrible poster.
ban this guy

[All Net]

you post head to head stats. LeBron's stats look more impressive and then you proceed to post non-analytical evidence as to why KD is better.

:facepalm:

:lol Was thinking the same thing, doesn't exactly help his arguement to start off the topic.

That said durant is up there, top 3-5 this season.

[Bladers]

:lol Was thinking the same thing, doesn't exactly help his arguement to start off the topic.

That said durant is up there, top 3-5 this season.

Because when you see the initial stats you think oh lebron is better. But when you actually look closely and in-depth. You find that to be far from the truth.

No one can refute the eleven points, because they are true and tell the complete story. While stats by themselves are deceptive if not taken into context.

[Jotaro Durant]

he is. better scorer, shooter, rebounder, blocker. lebron better assist, steals, :confusedshrug:

some of u to used to see lebron being the best that when he gets taking over u cant accept it. durant>lebron right now deal with it:cheers:

[arifgokcen]

:lol Was thinking the same thing, doesn't exactly help his arguement to start off the topic.

That said durant is up there, top 3-5 this season.
This type of thread doesnt even deserve this kind of an answer.Because the poster himself knows he is just trolling.

[stallionaire]

No, Lebron is definitely a better player right now.

The truth straight from an OKC fan, I love it. :lol

[Chrono90]

Im not a Lebron fan and I gotta say it's him being the best player right now.

[Chaddai]

Let's take it to Advance Metrics.

Lebron James 32.8% Usage Rating
Kevin Durant 31.4% Usage Rating

Win Shares:
1. LeBron James 7.59
2. Kevin Love 6.28
3. Tyson Chandler 5.37
4. Ryan Anderson 5.26
5. Kevin Durant 5.19
6. LaMarcus Aldridge 4.84
7. Dwight Howard 4.79
8. James Harden 4.77
9. Chris Paul 4.52
10. Marc Gasol 4.46

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes:
1. LeBron James .331
2. Ryan Anderson .269
3. Kevin Love .261
4. Chris Paul .252
5. Tyson Chandler .247
6. James Harden .243
7. Derrick Rose .243
8. Kevin Durant .221
9. LaMarcus Aldridge .215
10. Lou Williams .215

Offensive Win Shares:
1. LeBron James 5.64
2. Kevin Love 4.52
3. Ryan Anderson 4.20
4. James Harden 3.98
5. Chris Paul 3.70
6. Kevin Durant 3.57
7. Tyson Chandler 3.56
8. LaMarcus Aldridge 3.27
9. Derrick Rose 3.11
10. Steve Nash 2.98

Defensive Win Shares:
1. Dwight Howard 2.93
2. Josh Smith 2.35
3. Andre Iguodala 2.29
4. Marc Gasol 2.07
5. Carlos Boozer 2.05
6. LeBron James 1.95
7. Joakim Noah 1.89
8. Andrew Bynum 1.83
9. Tyson Chandler 1.81
10. Elton Brand 1.80

Player Efficiency Rating:
1. LeBron James 32.61
2. Kevin Durant 26.29
3. Kevin Love 25.97
4. Chris Paul 25.37
5. Derrick Rose 24.83
6. Kobe Bryant 24.63
7. Dwight Howard 23.93
8. LaMarcus Aldridge 23.92
9. Ryan Anderson 23.45
10. Al Jefferson 23.31

+/- for the top 25 scorers:
1. LeBron James +281
2. Chris Bosh +216
3. LaMarcus Aldridge +195
4. Derrick Rose +183
5. Chris Paul +166
6. Blake Griffin +165
7. Dwyane Wade +162
8. Tony Parker +157
9. Russell Westbook +147
10. Dwight Howard +139
11. Kevin Durant +132

"Lebron handles the ball alot and is ball dominant while Durant plays off the ball alot and isn't ball dominant. If he handled the ball as much as Lebron does he would likewise have the same amount of assists."

Look at Usage Rating

"Durants stats are actually better than Lebron in his own team with a shot jacking westbrook."

The same can be said for Lebron. Lebron has Wade in his team and at times Wade dominates the ball and takes more shots than him. Without Wade in the lineup, did you see how dominating Lebron was in the beginning of the season?

[arifgokcen]

Because when you see the initial stats you think oh lebron is better. But when you actually look closely and in-depth. You find that to be far from the truth.

No one can refute the eleven points, because they are true and tell the complete story. While stats by themselves are deceptive if not taken into context.

If you are gonna look in depth,then use every advanced statistical measurements there is,
Is this what you are saying.

Efficieny
Lebron 30,94
KD 27,91
PER
27,49 KD
32,68 Lebron(best season of all time)
2 pointers
Lebron %57
KD %56
3 pointers
Lebron %41
KD %37
Estimated Wins contributed by player
Lebron 12.9
KD 10.2

Lebron is shooting 1.4shots less and averaging same numbers while playing 1.6minutes less.

Lebron is grabbing %20.9 available rebound while KD %20.3
However Lebron is by far the better offensive rebounder he doesnt after defensive rebounds because he leaks out.Again this is while playing about 36mpg

True Shooting percentage
%63 Lebron
%61 Durant

Lebron is right now by far the best postup player in the league.If he cuts down his turnovers he will probably become the most efficient post player of alltime.

Lebron always defends the best player on the court in 4th quarters while dishing out and scoring.

While he was by himself he posted the best crunch time scoring of alltime even his airness didnt come close to posting 66ppg while averaging 3.2bpg 3.2 spg

Before joining miami he was the best player during 4th quarters for 4 straight years only chris paul's hornets performed better than him.

Lebron and KD turnover numbers are identical,which is suprising because he never holds the ball.His turnover rate is by far the highest among top 10 players in scoring and he is only averaring 3.3apg.

Defense Opponents
Lebron is holding opponents the league 2nd best 9.0
KD is at 10.9 opponent production

While lebron is on the court,Miami is outscoring is opponents by +9.8 points per game.He is leading the league in net production by a huge margin at 23.4

KD is at 28th place.OKC is outscoring his opponents by only 4.8points per game.His net production on the court is 15.4.

Again dont forget Lebron is at 36.6mpg KD is at 37.9mpg

Lebron's this season production is unheard of in todays pace.This is by far the best season in modern era including His Airness

Lebron is front runner MVP while also one of the strongest candidates for DPOY award.

His impact is so serious that miami is actually getting outscored when he is on bench.This is how vital he is to this team.

BTW dont forget lebron is by far the best non-pg distributor in the game.His unique ability enables him to play 5 positons and dominate 4 of them effectively.

His versatility is so severe that he can go against any player in the league and overwhelm him including centers.

He has the body of Karl Malone and the speed of pg.He is faster than almost all the guards today.He is heavier than half the centers in the league at 270lbs while can jump higher and can guard anybody on the floor.

So there you go you cant go wrong with this analysis.

[arifgokcen]

If you are gonna look in depth,then use every advanced statistical measurements there is,
Is this what you are saying.

Efficieny
Lebron 30,94
KD 27,91
PER
27,49 KD
32,68 Lebron(best season of all time)
2 pointers
Lebron %57
KD %56
3 pointers
Lebron %41
KD %37
Estimated Wins contributed by player
Lebron 12.9
KD 10.2

Lebron is shooting 1.4shots less and averaging same numbers while playing 1.6minutes less.

Lebron is grabbing %20.9 available rebound while KD %20.3
However Lebron is by far the better offensive rebounder he doesnt go after defensive rebounds because he leaks out for transition opportunities.Again this is while playing about 36mpg

True Shooting percentage
%63 Lebron
%61 Durant

Lebron is right now by far the best postup player in the league.If he cuts down his turnovers he will probably become the most efficient post player of alltime.

Lebron always defends the best player on the court in 4th quarters while dishing out and scoring.

While he was by himself he posted the best crunch time scoring of alltime even his airness didnt come close to posting 66ppg while averaging 3.2bpg 3.2 spg

Before joining miami he was the best player during 4th quarters for 4 straight years only chris paul's hornets performed better than him.

Lebron and KD turnover numbers are identical,which is suprising because KD never holds the ball.His turnover rate is by far the highest among top 10 players in scoring and he is only averaring 3.3apg.

Defense Opponents
Lebron is holding opponents the league 2nd best 9.0
KD is at 10.9 opponent production

While lebron is on the court,Miami is outscoring is opponents by +9.8 points per game.He is leading the league in net production by a huge margin at 23.4

KD is at 28th place.OKC is outscoring his opponents by only 4.8points per game.His net production on the court is 15.4.

Again dont forget Lebron is at 36.6mpg KD is at 37.9mpg

Lebron's this season production is unheard of in todays pace.This is by far the best season in modern era including His Airness

Lebron is front runner MVP while also one of the strongest candidates for DPOY award.

His impact is so serious that miami is actually getting outscored when he is on bench.This is how vital he is to this team.

BTW dont forget lebron is by far the best non-pg distributor in the game.His unique ability enables him to play 5 positons and dominate 4 of them effectively.

His versatility is so severe that he can go against any player in the league and overwhelm him including centers.

He has the body of Karl Malone and the speed of pg.He is faster than almost all the guards today.He is heavier than half the centers in the league at 270lbs while can jump higher and can guard anybody on the floor.

So there you go you cant go wrong with this analysis.

[Bob Cousy]

CARLOS BOOZER IS 5TH IN DEFENSIVE WIN SHARES ??? wat ?

[arifgokcen]

If you are gonna look in depth,then use every advanced statistical measurements there is,
Is this what you are saying.

Efficieny
Lebron 30,94
KD 27,91

PER
27,49 KD
32,68 Lebron(best season of all time)

2 pointers
Lebron %57
KD %56

3 pointers
Lebron %41
KD %37

Estimated Wins contributed by player
Lebron 12.9
KD 10.2


Lebron is shooting 1.4shots less and averaging same numbers while playing 1.6minutes less.

Lebron is grabbing %20.9 available rebound while KD %20.3
However Lebron is by far the better offensive rebounder he doesnt go after defensive rebounds because he leaks out for transition opportunities.Again this is while playing about 36mpg

True Shooting percentage
%63 Lebron
%61 Durant

Lebron is right now by far the best postup player in the league.If he cuts down his turnovers he will probably become the most efficient post player of alltime.

Lebron always defends the best player on the court in 4th quarters while dishing out and scoring.

While he was by himself he posted the best crunch time scoring of alltime even his airness didnt come close to posting 66ppg while averaging 3.2bpg 3.2 spg

Before joining miami he was the best player during 4th quarters for 4 straight years only chris paul's hornets performed better than him.

Lebron and KD turnover numbers are identical,which is suprising because KD never holds the ball.His turnover rate is by far the highest among top 10 players in scoring and he is only averaring 3.3apg.

Defense Opponents
Lebron is holding opponents the league 2nd best 9.0
KD is at 10.9 opponent production

While lebron is on the court,Miami is outscoring is opponents by +9.8 points per game.He is leading the league in net production by a huge margin at 23.4

KD is at 28th place.OKC is outscoring his opponents by only 4.8points per game.His net production on the court is 15.4.

Again dont forget Lebron is at 36.6mpg KD is at 37.9mpg

Lebron's this season production is unheard of in todays pace.This is by far the best season in modern era including His Airness

Lebron is front runner MVP while also one of the strongest candidates for DPOY award.

His impact is so serious that miami is actually getting outscored when he is on bench.This is how vital he is to this team.

BTW dont forget lebron is by far the best non-pg distributor in the game.His unique ability enables him to play 5 positons and dominate 4 of them effectively.

His versatility is so severe that he can go against any player in the league and overwhelm him including centers.

He has the body of Karl Malone and the speed of pg.He is faster than almost all the guards today.He is heavier than half the centers in the league at 270lbs while can jump higher and can guard anybody on the floor.

So there you go you cant go wrong with this analysis.

Read

[HurricaneKid]

Now please this is about this year, this season and Durant is by far better than Lebron. its close but Durant edges him out.


"track meat" as wade put it and cherry picking to the point its illegal.

You are a horrible poster in general but this thread has reached a new level of stupid. Congratulations on your achievement.

[arifgokcen]

You are a horrible poster in general but this thread has reached a new level of stupid. Congratulations on your achievement.

He doesnt even know proper english to express himself.
Look at the this sentence


this season and Durant is by far better than Lebron. its close but Durant edges him out.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[PickernRoller]

A player without the heart to win it all is a player with improvements to make.

You can see KD with the Killer Instinct when he goes clutch, Lebron, well, you always doubt if he's going to show up or not. That says it all.

Stats don't win rings, great 4th quarter performances do. What does being the best player in the world mean if Wade is more dependable than Lebron to win rings....

Till the Finals again...:violin:

[Bob Cousy]

Didn't OP have like 10 red bars in his rep ?

[HurricaneKid]

If you are gonna look in depth,then use every advanced statistical measurements there is,
Is this what you are saying.

Efficieny
Lebron 30,94
KD 27,91
PER
27,49 KD
32,68 Lebron(best season of all time)
2 pointers
Lebron %57
KD %56
3 pointers
Lebron %41
KD %37
Estimated Wins contributed by player
Lebron 12.9
KD 10.2

Lebron is shooting 1.4shots less and averaging same numbers while playing 1.6minutes less.

Lebron is grabbing %20.9 available rebound while KD %20.3
However Lebron is by far the better offensive rebounder he doesnt go after defensive rebounds because he leaks out for transition opportunities.Again this is while playing about 36mpg

True Shooting percentage
%63 Lebron
%61 Durant

Lebron is right now by far the best postup player in the league.If he cuts down his turnovers he will probably become the most efficient post player of alltime.

Lebron always defends the best player on the court in 4th quarters while dishing out and scoring.

While he was by himself he posted the best crunch time scoring of alltime even his airness didnt come close to posting 66ppg while averaging 3.2bpg 3.2 spg

Before joining miami he was the best player during 4th quarters for 4 straight years only chris paul's hornets performed better than him.

Lebron and KD turnover numbers are identical,which is suprising because KD never holds the ball.His turnover rate is by far the highest among top 10 players in scoring and he is only averaring 3.3apg.

Defense Opponents
Lebron is holding opponents the league 2nd best 9.0
KD is at 10.9 opponent production

While lebron is on the court,Miami is outscoring is opponents by +9.8 points per game.He is leading the league in net production by a huge margin at 23.4

KD is at 28th place.OKC is outscoring his opponents by only 4.8points per game.His net production on the court is 15.4.

Again dont forget Lebron is at 36.6mpg KD is at 37.9mpg

Lebron's this season production is unheard of in todays pace.This is by far the best season in modern era including His Airness

Lebron is front runner MVP while also one of the strongest candidates for DPOY award.

His impact is so serious that miami is actually getting outscored when he is on bench.This is how vital he is to this team.

BTW dont forget lebron is by far the best non-pg distributor in the game.His unique ability enables him to play 5 positons and dominate 4 of them effectively.

His versatility is so severe that he can go against any player in the league and overwhelm him including centers.

He has the body of Karl Malone and the speed of pg.He is faster than almost all the guards today.He is heavier than half the centers in the league at 270lbs while can jump higher and can guard anybody on the floor.

So there you go you cant go wrong with this analysis.

:applause:

Post more.

[NumberSix]

Obvious p.hagitt is obvious

[Rnbizzle]

Let's take it to Advance Metrics.

Defensive Win Shares:
1. Dwight Howard 2.93
2. Josh Smith 2.35
3. Andre Iguodala 2.29
4. Marc Gasol 2.07
5. Carlos Boozer 2.05
6. LeBron James 1.95
7. Joakim Noah 1.89
8. Andrew Bynum 1.83
9. Tyson Chandler 1.81
10. Elton Brand 1.80


You know your statistics are retarded when Carlos Boozer is in the top 5 of DEFENSIVE win shares. :lol :lol :lol

[arifgokcen]

A player without the heart to win it all is a player with improvements to make.

KD has the heart, Lebron does not. Stats don't win rings, great 4th quarter performances do.

Till the Finals...:violin:

bladers we all know who you are please stop creating new accounts and gtfo.
Your ip should be banned.

[arifgokcen]

:applause:

Post more.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

I sent him couple of PMs too.If he posts again i will come up with more advanced stats no worries mate :roll: :roll: :roll:

[chazzy]

I'd say Durant is a better scorer and better in the clutch. Lebron is the better overall player because he's more impactful all around

[Lebron23]

I'd say Durant is a better scorer and better in the clutch. Lebron is the better overall player because he's more impactful all around


+1 Chazzy for NBA forum moderator. It's time to delete some of the trolls posts in this thread.

[Kblaze8855]

It would be easier to argue that Durant isnt currently top 4 than to argue that anyone is better than Lebron. I dont know that id make the argument that Durant isnt top 4. But it would be an easier case to make than that of anyone being better than Lebron.

Durant could win the title this year and not be better than Lebron.

He just isnt there yet. Being younger hes no doubt going to surpass him. But that time has not come. And when its opinion held by probably 80-90% of people I dont think the minority is the side that should be claiming they are indisputably right.

You dont have thunder, Laker, Bulls, and Suns fans saying one thing due to favoritism. If anything Durant should get the "People just like him" bump having never done anything that generated much hate.

Durant could drop 60 on the Celtics tonight and 50 on the Lakers tomorrow. Lebron is not going to lose his position at the top to any large number of people.

Saying the "facts" say otherwise isnt changing anything. Just pissing in the wind.

People generally decide who the best player in the league is and never change it until a brief moment after the playoffs when they pretend whoever won actually got better than the 100 games of the season/playoff showed.

Much as people might not like it...in all likely hood Lebron is probably going to be remembered as the best player of all the recent years regardless of what emotion makes a few people say from time to time.

God help some of you should he actually win a ring and get that champion bump. Forget durant. There will be plenty of people asking if hes better than Jordan.

They shouldnt. But its gonna happen.

I said it of Kobe on here 10 years ago. Some people you can see it all setting up a mile away. And the Heat arent a team you have to look hard at to see why it could go down that way.

Lebron career seems to be going that shaq route more than Jordan. I dont see him winning 6 or anything like that. But I could see him going 7-8 years of losing then suddenly it all comes together and he has a legacy defining 2-3 year run that on its own has people throwing him in the top 10 all time.

And even if he doesnt hes so clearly the best player history wont be able to look the other way. People were hating in 09 and 10...but in retrospect it sees most know he was the best player in the NBA then too.

Its hard to fail hard enough to overshadow ability on his level. He would have to like...go out in the second round putting up 16/6/2 on 38% shooting for any large number of people to knock him off his spot. And even if he did hed probably come out and put up 32/9/7 for a month or two next season shoot 61% and people would be right back to the truth:

On a game to game basis nobody in the NBA is as good as Lebron and while some have the potential to be...they arent doing it at the moment.

[PickernRoller]

bladers we all know who you are please stop creating new accounts and gtfo.
Your ip should be banned.

Ask a mod if our IP's match. Till the finals....:violin:

You can call Lebron the best player in the game all you want everyday of the week with 10-page stat sheets to back it up. Will I take a Lebron or a Wade to win a final?

No question I'll take a Wade. Best player all around my ***, guy has mental breakdowns which is just as good of a stat to compare players. The ability to become great and win it all beats stats any-day of the week for me. Look at what Dirk, Chandler and Terry did to the Big "three".

Pooped all over "the best player in the game".

[chazzy]

Its hard to fail hard enough to overshadow ability on his level. He would have to like...go out in the second round putting up 16/6/2 on 38% shooting for any large number of people to knock him off his spot. And even if he did hed probably come out and put up 32/9/7 for a month or two next season shoot 61% and people would be right back to the truth:

On a game to game basis nobody in the NBA is as good as Lebron and while some have the potential to be...they arent doing it at the moment.
That's pretty much how these past 8 months have played out; Lebron's Finals made people question whether he's the best player in the game or not, but the way he's played since the start of this season has made him the unanimous best.

[Lebron23]

Pickernroller looks like an RG Account. He turned into a lunatic since Jeff disabled the rep system.

[PickernRoller]

Pickernroller looks like an RG Account. He turned into a lunatic since Jeff disabled the rep system.

Could say the same for all the Lebron fanboys.

Stats don't mean a thing to me after what I saw in the Finals last year so engaging fanboys in a stat argument doesn't get me excited sorry. Is hard to make the case for Lebron when he is a disappearing act in 4th quarters - when it counts. Hell of player but too much hype for what you all make it to be. I can see why you all get excited for by looking at stats and regular season play thou....

[JMT]

Stats don't mean a thing to me after what I saw in the Finals last year so engaging fanboys in a stat argument doesn't get me excited sorry.

No kidding. I remember how great Durant looked in the Finals.

[swi7ch]

lebron james

[Eric Cartman]

Durant is not better than Lebron, but in the future he might be.

I agree. Btw props to you man u the best poster here know what i saying?

[PickernRoller]

No kidding. I remember how great Durant looked in the Finals.

I am not a KD fanboy. I do think he's a great player and pure scorer - always unpredictable and at times explosive; for better or worse. You know what to expect from Lebron - you know his game. Both players have weaknesses. I can't take any of the two yet to win a Final. We'll have to see if OKC makes it in the West.

[Bob Cousy]

No kidding. I remember how great Durant looked in the Finals.He was pretty clutch in the semi-finals as well.

[swi7ch]

only reason lebron's stats are like that is becase he sits out most games due to blowouts

[Unstop]

http://eu.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/ihinm/ihinm0806/ihinm080600497/3192526-man-eating-popcorn-while-watching-movie.jpg

entertaining...im pretty excited about the end of the story :bowdown:

[hitmanyr2k]

CARLOS BOOZER IS 5TH IN DEFENSIVE WIN SHARES ??? wat ?

Which perfectly summarizes why these "advanced stats" are completely worthless :oldlol:

[JMT]

Which perfectly summarizes why these "advanced stats" are completely worthless :oldlol:


This.

[dyna]

Lebron>Durant>Kobe

[Indian guy]

People who consider LeBron the game's best player are

1) Not really watching Heat games
2) Do not understand the game
3) Not really capable of evaluating on-court value beyond stats

[Heavincent]

People who consider LeBron the game's best player are

1) Not really watching Heat games
2) Do not understand the game
3) Not really capable of evaluating on-court value beyond stats

Just curious, who do you consider the best player?

[Indian guy]

Just curious, who do you consider the best player?

The league doesn't have a clear-cut best player. Depending on the day, it could be anyone between Durant, Wade, Rose and Kobe. More so the first 3 players though.

[Nash]

Could say the same for all the Lebron fanboys.

Stats don't mean a thing to me after what I saw in the Finals last year so engaging fanboys in a stat argument doesn't get me excited sorry. Is hard to make the case for Lebron when he is a disappearing act in 4th quarters - when it counts. Hell of player but too much hype for what you all make it to be. I can see why you all get excited for by looking at stats and regular season play thou....
Ok, but what about the clutch performances by Lebron in the Eastern conference and against Boston? Did you magically forget about them or don't they fit your agenda?

[talkingconch]

Lets look at durant's stats.

Durant: 27.7 ppg, 52% FG, 8 rbs, 3 asts 1.3 stls 1.3 blocks while taking 147 threes.

Lebron: 27.6 ppg, 55% FG, 8 rbs, 7 asts 1.7 stls 0.7 block while taking 63 thress.


http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2010/01/SIMON-CONFUSED-GIF.gif

[Heavincent]

The league doesn't have a clear-cut best player. Depending on the day, it could be anyone between Durant, Wade, Rose and Kobe. More so the first 3 players though.

No argument here.

[Heavincent]

Ok, but what about the clutch performances by Lebron in the Eastern conference and against Boston? Did you magically forget about them or don't they fit your agenda?

The fact that people were going so bananas over the Boston and Chicago series says it all.

[NumberSix]

LeBron stans are like Democrats and Kobetards are like republicans. They both suck, but one is clearly much worse than the other

[pauk]

trryyyyyiinnnnngggggg
soooooooooooooooooooooo
hhhhhaaaaaaarrrrrrdddddddddddddddddddd

[All Net]

The fact that people were going so bananas over the Boston and Chicago series says it all.

Why wouldnt they? Afterall it's the playoffs...

[HurricaneKid]

People who consider LeBron the game's best player are

1) Not really watching Heat games
2) Do not understand the game
3) Not really capable of evaluating on-court value beyond stats

I watch more Heat games than I would care to admit. I understand the game at a high level. I evaluate talent quite well. LeBron is BY FAR the best player in the league. As the game shrinks (halfcourt playoff basketball) his advantages shrink as well. However, in a free flowing game he is tremendous and shoulders above everyone else in the league.

LeBron James isn't as good as Rose? You expect people to let that go? That wouldn't have anything to do with you being from Ill would it? I don't think YOU are watching Bulls games, understand the game or are capable of evaluating on court value beyond stats.

[pauk]

Remember Bladie... you brought these facts upon yourself... these threads do nothing but make people understand even more why Lebron is so good...

Q:
How is Durant not the best SF in the game?

A:
Because the most talented-productive-dominant perimeter player since only Jordan stands in his way with a big gap, is having the most productive-efficient season in NBA history....... http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Untitled-2-6.png and has the best record in the NBA, is the runaway MVP etc.........


Because compared to Lebron... Durant is nothing but a one dimensional (scorer) sceletor.......... the only thing Durant does any significantly better than Lebron is shoot freethrows.........

Lebron has better....
*Scoring ability
*Court vision
*Passing ability
*Ballhandling
*Rebounding
*Athleticism
*IQ, decision making & Leadership
*Offense & Offensive versatility, can play all roles and all 5 positions efficiently...
*Defense & Defensive versatility, extremly vocal leader who orchestrates team defense, is great perimeter and interior defender in every way who can guard all 5 positions efficiently..... he can guard anybody from Derrick Rose to Dwight Howard...
*Lebron is a much better playoff performer aswell...




With other words........ get back to me when Durant is better... an example:

*Averages 30-10-10-3-2 on 60% FG....
*Can play & dominate all 5 positions...
*Can defend & shut down all 5 positions...
*And does so even better in playoffs and gets to ECF/Finals or preferably wins a championship....






Until then....... :rolleyes:




But one thing is sure tho at this moment........... DURANT > KOBE

[chazzy]

can play all roles and all 5 positions efficiently...
who can guard all 5 positions efficiently.....
:oldlol:

[pauk]

:oldlol:

Have you not seen Lebron play? Ever? Not even the last game against Orlando Magic where he had no problem guarding & denying Dwight Howard in the post body-to-body over and over again.... just to next play run over and shut down Jameer Nelson instead..............

Funny indeed...

[chazzy]

Have you not seen Lebron play? Ever? Not even the last game against Orlando Magic where he had no problem guarding & denying Dwight Howard in the post body-to-body over and over again.... just to next play run over and shut down Jameer Nelson instead..............

Funny indeed...
By your logic, he should've defended Dwight in the 09 playoffs when he was killing them.

[pauk]

Another thing.... this statline/season you are bringing up just so happens to be the best season in NBA history.... here is what type of Lebron season/statline you are comparing to Durant:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Untitled-2-6.png

[arifgokcen]

By your logic, he should've defended Dwight in the 09 playoffs when he was killing them.

Actually the real problem was hedo,shard.Cavs had at least bodies to throw at howard but there was literally no one to defend hedo or shard besides bron.

[DuMa]

people still take bladers seriously?

[pauk]

By your logic, he should've defended Dwight in the 09 playoffs when he was killing them.

No... he should've crosscourt roadrunner defended the entirely open 3PT shooters back and forth all a cross the floor... when THEY (and not Dwight) was killing them...

[madmax]

No kidding. I remember how great Durant looked in the Finals.

:lol
Oops...the clutch, killer instinct driven Durantula wasn't even there...:cry: Tough luck I guess

[Scholar]

There is only one answer to the OP's question, "How is Durant not the best SF in the game?"

A: Metta World Peace.





















































Psyche.

[StateOfMind12]

I suggest you wait till the end of the season before you rank players. Players flip around all the time during the middle of the season depending on who has been playing better recently.

[chips93]

RG is a phagg0t

[Droid101]

I am a LeBron James hater through and through... but he's better than Durant.

[OneBadUsername]

Wow those numbers are crazy good but lettuce be honest, LeBron is the best player in the league. I hate LeBron and love Durant but it's not even close.

[Jameerthefear]

Uh Pauk. LBJ defended Dwight like once that game... where he denied him the ball. So its a bit overboard to say he could guard centers like Pekovic, Bynum, and Dwight.

[burnsy87]

Unfortunately I have facts and statistic to back up each and every one of those eleven statements and you don't have any to refute them.

Won't that mean the your statements speaks more about you than about me?


You have "facts" to prove he would have more assists if he handled the ball more?

Stop calling everything you say a "fact"...it completely discredits when you present an actual fact.

[Droid101]

Uh Pauk. LBJ defended Dwight like once that game... where he denied him the ball. So its a bit overboard to say he could guard centers like Pekovic, Bynum, and Dwight.
LOL. If LeBron tried to guard Pekovic the whole game, he'd be covered in bruises the next day. :lol

[Disaprine]

:roll: op

[ThatsGame]

LeBron's stats are going down because he sits out of 4th qtrs now. The Heat are destoying opponents that badly now.

Still, LeBron is clearly the best in the NBA.

[dunksby]

LeBron's stats are going down because he sits out of 4th qtrs now. The Heat are destoying opponents that badly now.

Still, LeBron is clearly the best in the NBA.
In Lebron's case sitting out 4th quarters is a blessing for his stats :roll:

[WadeBronDonJuan]

Lets look at durant's stats.

Durant: 27.7 ppg, 52% FG, 8 rbs, 3 asts 1.3 stls 1.3 blocks while taking 147 threes.

Lebron: 27.6 ppg, 55% FG, 8 rbs, 7 asts 1.7 stls 0.7 block while taking 63 thress.


1) Durant is the better and more versitile scorer.

2) They get the same amount of rebounds at game.

3) About FG%: If you cut out both players three-point attempt, they would be shooting the same percentage.

4) About FG%: While Lebron and Wade are out there running a "track meat" as wade put it and cherry picking to the point its illegal. Durant isn't.

5) Half-Court Offense: I believe the last time I checked Lebron was shoooting in the 40s in half court offense while durant was still shooting in the 50s.

6) Assists: Though Durant's assist numbers are low, they don't tell the true story. Lebron handles the ball alot and is ball dominant while Durant plays off the ball alot and isn't ball dominant. If he handled the ball as much as Lebron does he would likewise have the same amount of assists.

7) We see multiple times when Lebron pounds the ball for 20 seconds and passes in order to get an assist.

8) Durant is clutch and has many memorable clutch performances this season alone including a game winner.

9) Durants stats are actually better than Lebron in his own team with a shot jacking westbrook.

10) They have the same record but the difference is Lebron is doing it on the most stacked team in NBA history (three players in their absolute prime) while Durant isn't.

11) Durant is by far the better defender per synergy stats.


You can't tell me Durant isn't the best. There is no one better, lebron is the closest though. Got to give him credit.


Look at the assists column. They tell the whole story. Lebron is a better team player.

Game over.