View Full Version : Should Lin demand that the Knicks trade Melo?
LABean
02-22-2012, 11:02 PM
:confusedshrug:
Can't make it to the finals if he can't play his game.
JellyBean
02-22-2012, 11:06 PM
No. They will be ok once they get use to each other and learn how to react to each other.
fubu05
02-22-2012, 11:10 PM
I don't get it... didn't the Knicks win tonight with Melo + Lin. Granted it was the injured Hawks, you could still see them playing well off each other. Are people ever going to get off Melo's nuts? Inb4 trade Melo threads if Knicks lose tomorrow at Heat.
Rekindled
02-22-2012, 11:11 PM
the problem is not melo, the problem is amare, amare is sucking so bad right now its not funny.
:confusedshrug:
Can't make it to the finals if he can't play his game.
Your suggestion doesn't make sense.
Lin "playing his game"? Thats not getting us to a NBA Finals.
Melo "playing his game"? Thats what will win us a NBA Finals if we get there.
I don't get it... didn't the Knicks win tonight with Melo + Lin. Granted it was the injured Hawks, you could still see them playing well off each other. Are people ever going to get off Melo's nuts? Inb4 trade Melo threads if Knicks lose tomorrow at Heat.
This.
Only idiots are complaining because Lin isn't going for 25 PPG like he did when Melo was out. Everybody knew that wouldn't last as soon as teams got tape on him and players got familiar with his game.
I dont understand the amount of hate Melo received even before he got hurt and I still dont understand why the amount of hate has gone up.
What is it about Melo that makes people despise him so much? This is on par with the shit people would say about Dirk & Dallas before they won the Title about how he "doesn't do this" and isn't a "leader".
When Melo gets back to 100%, we will be rolling for the rest of the regular season.
If Amare ever finds his confidence, then we can finally start talking about a real Playoff run.
Sarcastic
02-22-2012, 11:18 PM
Dolan would trade Lin before he traded Melo.
True story.
bmulls
02-22-2012, 11:20 PM
Dolan would trade Lin before he traded Melo.
True story.
Doubt it. Lin is making them so much money right now it's unbelievable.
Micku
02-22-2012, 11:24 PM
This.
Only idiots are complaining because Lin isn't going for 25 PPG like he did when Melo was out. Everybody knew that wouldn't last as soon as teams got tape on him and players got familiar with his game.
I dont understand the amount of hate Melo received even before he got hurt and I still dont understand why the amount of hate has gone up.
What is it about Melo that makes people despise him so much? This is on par with the shit people would say about Dirk & Dallas before they won the Title about how he "doesn't do this" and isn't a "leader".
When Melo gets back to 100%, we will be rolling for the rest of the regular season.
If Amare ever finds his confidence, then we can finally start talking about a real Playoff run.
That's not the reason why so far.
It's because Melo is back and Lin is playing more of the PG role than the scorer. Even with that said with the past 2 games, Lin is still leading in scoring for them. But it's only been 2 games. And the Mavs prepared for Lin. Had Marion and Kidd guard him with double teams and Lin still scored. But since Melo is back, you can tell from the lack of Lin's aggressiveness that he is trying to get Melo and the players some shots rather than getting his own as much.
But in the long run, Melo could be better with the team because it gives Lin less pressure and he could just run the offense. Amare has to find his game for them to be scary.
But if they HAVE to trade Melo, which I extremely doubt they would, Iggy and some defenders would be nice.
LakersReign
02-22-2012, 11:24 PM
Dude hasn't even played a full season with the Knicks yet and he's somehow supposed to have leverage enough to ask the Knicks to trade somebody?!:lol
Clippersfan86
02-22-2012, 11:27 PM
Reality here is 17 and 9 is more appropriate from a star PG. He needs to play more like Nash and less like Rose if the Knicks want to go further in playoffs. A PG should never be relied on to score 25-30 points nightly especially when you have all the offensive weapons the Knicks have.
Sarcastic
02-22-2012, 11:30 PM
Doubt it. Lin is making them so much money right now it's unbelievable.
Well they raised the ticket prices for the Garden this year by like 60% because of the Melo trade.
Sarcastic
02-22-2012, 11:31 PM
Reality here is 17 and 9 is more appropriate from a star PG. He needs to play more like Nash and less like Rose if the Knicks want to go further in playoffs. A PG should never be relied on to score 25-30 points nightly especially when you have all the offensive weapons the Knicks have.
I would actually like to see his points more around 15, and the assists at 10 or 11.
Shepseskaf
02-22-2012, 11:33 PM
Why are there so many idiots in the world? This thread is nonsense.
Doubt it. Lin is making them so much money right now it's unbelievable.
:roll: GTFOH
bmulls
02-22-2012, 11:42 PM
:roll: GTFOH
You're an idiot if you think NBA owners aren't businessmen first and foremost. Lin's jersey is #1 seller in the world. China is a huge, mostly untapped market for the NBA and they are going nuts for Lin. People who never watched basketball in their life are now NYK fans.
FKAri
02-22-2012, 11:43 PM
I would actually like to see his points more around 15, and the assists at 10 or 11.
Depends. If he continues scoring at +50% then he should keep at it.
Oh but, stupid fking thread.
knickscity
02-22-2012, 11:45 PM
Dolan would trade Lin before he traded Melo.
True story.
IDK, 300 million says not a chance.
Sarcastic
02-22-2012, 11:45 PM
You're an idiot if you think NBA owners aren't businessmen first and foremost. Lin's jersey is #1 seller in the world. China is a huge, mostly untapped market for the NBA and they are going nuts for Lin. People who never watched basketball in their life are now NYK fans.
Trading for Melo was Dolan's deal. He's not trading him unless he is getting Lebron back.
Sarcastic
02-22-2012, 11:47 PM
IDK, 300 million says not a chance.
Melo is our true superstar. He's not trading away a proven player, rather than a guy who may be a flash in the pan.
June1026
02-22-2012, 11:49 PM
You're an idiot if you think NBA owners aren't businessmen first and foremost. Lin's jersey is #1 seller in the world. China is a huge, mostly untapped market for the NBA and they are going nuts for Lin. People who never watched basketball in their life are now NYK fans.
Not just China, but literally the whole world, you look at his videos on youtube, it's being viewed all over, ironically, it's actually lower in Asia (given China blocks Youtube), Chinese people didn't like Yao cause his height got him in the NBA, people couldnt identify with him and made fun of him, Guards/Wing players are always more marketable, which is why even during the Yao's hay days, Kobe, Tmac and Iverson always topped him in merchandise sales in China, and contrary to common belief, Kobe and Tmac always topped Yao in All-Star voting in Asia Region, but now they got a wing player who is exciting to watch repping them, he's going to move merchandise all over the world, I wouldn't be surprised if he tops jersey sale in the states and asia for the season.
inclinerator
02-22-2012, 11:49 PM
melo just sucks, cant even make wide open shots
Reality here is 17 and 9 is more appropriate from a star PG. He needs to play more like Nash and less like Rose if the Knicks want to go further in playoffs. A PG should never be relied on to score 25-30 points nightly especially when you have all the offensive weapons the Knicks have.
Agreed.
Have we ever agreed before?(srs) :eek:
Not just China, but literally the whole world, you look at his videos on youtube, it's being viewed all over, ironically, it's actually lower in Asia (given China blocks Youtube), Chinese people didn't like Yao cause his height got him in the NBA and people made fun of him, Guards/Wing players are always more marketable, which is why even during the days of Yao, Kobe and Tmac and Iverson always topped him in merchandise sales in China, and contrary to common belief, Kobe and Tmac always topped Yao in All-Star voting in Asia Region, but now they got a wing player who is exciting to watch repping them, he's going to move merchandise all over the world, I wouldn't be surprised if he tops jersey sale in the states for the season.
Thats BS.
Yao says he still cant even leave his house in Shanghai because of the fan craze.
asdf1990
02-22-2012, 11:52 PM
Melo is our true superstar. He's not trading away a proven player, rather than a guy who may be a flash in the pan.
LOL melos not s a superstar he is an all star player
June1026
02-22-2012, 11:52 PM
Melo is our true superstar. He's not trading away a proven player, rather than a guy who may be a flash in the pan.
wow still?
Trading for Melo was Dolan's deal. He's not trading him unless he is getting Lebron back.
This.
az00m
02-22-2012, 11:54 PM
I don't post much, but I would like to touch on this topic.
There is no way they will trade Lin this year. He will get a huge contract next year. He has proven himself a valuable point guard in this highly skilled pg league. Plus, the ticket sales have went even higher. His jersey is selling like girl scout mint cookers. There is no way you trade him. In fact, I would trade Melo first. Melo has proven how bad of a player he is this year with Tyson and Amare. He is shooting under 40%...
It's all about how you build a team. I'm sorry, but you can't center a team around Melo. This Lin guy. He is the real deal.
Sarcastic
02-22-2012, 11:54 PM
wow still?
I think he is a legit player, but can he get a once through the league before we anoint him?
Sarcastic
02-22-2012, 11:55 PM
I don't post much, but I would like to touch on this topic.
There is no way they will trade Lin this year. He will get a huge contract next year. He has proven himself a valuable point guard in this highly skilled pg league. Plus, the ticket sales have went even higher. His jersey is selling like girl scout mint cookers. There is no way you trade him. In fact, I would trade Melo first. Melo has proven how bad of a player he is this year with Tyson and Amare. He is shooting under 40%...
It's all about how you build a team. I'm sorry, but you can't center a team around Melo. This Lin guy. He is the real deal.
The most he can make is $5 million next year.
Droid101
02-22-2012, 11:57 PM
It's not about trading Melo... it's about how much youth or defenders they could get back in the deal.
They'd be better off if they traded him, period.
wow still?
Yes, still.
Lin's started 10 games.
He can solidify himself by keeping up this pace throughout the season and not fading down the stretch as teams/players learn more about his game.
Then we can have a legit discussion about Lin being a cornerstone of our future.
June1026
02-22-2012, 11:58 PM
Thats BS.
Yao says he still cant even leave his house in Shanghai because of the fan craze.
Of course he has fans, he donated most of his earnings to Charities and has a likeable personality, he's humble and honest and repped Chinese people in a good manner.
What I'm saying is (btw I'm Chinese myself) all my Chinese baller friends would never talk about him or wanting to become like him and you can be sure none of them has his jersey or shoes, but Lin is different, he is a guard, people can identify themselves with him because his style of play is more appealing to the mass population, I can see my friend actually buy his merchandise over the kobes and lebrons.
Doranku
02-22-2012, 11:59 PM
:roll: GTFOH
[QUOTE]Since Lin began starting for the Knicks on February 5, Madison Square Garden (MSG), the team owner, has seen its stock rise 13% and its market cap increase $227 million. According to investment site Seeking Alpha, Lin
It's not about trading Melo... it's about how much youth or defenders they could get back in the deal.
They'd be better off if they traded him, period.
These are the stupid posts I'm talking about.
Who do you think we go to? Amare? Landry Fields? Shumpert?
Im sorry but Amare Stoudemire isn't the same player he once was and he isn't going to replace what Melo brings to our lineup. In fact he continues to settle for jumpers even tho we're running the Pick & Roll 30+ times now to try to get him involved.
Melo is crucial to this team.
Sarcastic
02-23-2012, 12:01 AM
It's not about trading Melo... it's about how much youth or defenders they could get back in the deal.
They'd be better off if they traded him, period.
The teams that would take Melo don't have youth to give back, and you would never trade Melo for just "defenders".
On the other hand, the Knicks could get a king's ransom for Lin.
Of course he has fans, he donated most of his earnings to Charities and has a likeable personality, he's humble and honest and repped Chinese people in a good manner.
What I'm saying is (btw I'm Chinese myself) all my Chinese baller friends would never talk about him or becoming like him, and you can be sure none of them has his jersey or shoes, but Lin is different, he is a guard, people can identify themselves with him because his style of play is more appealing to the mass population, I can see my friend actually buy his merchandise over the kobes and lebrons.
OK. I can understand liking Lin's game over that of a Yao.
You're speaking of Chinese-Americans, right?
Because from every sort of information thats come out says Yao is like a king over in China as far as his popularity.
ballashotcalla
02-23-2012, 12:03 AM
I'm a big Lin fan, but this thread is ridiculous.
Lin would be a retard to do this.
DStebb716
02-23-2012, 12:04 AM
Shut. the. ****. up.
fubu05
02-23-2012, 12:06 AM
Melo will be this teams lone 25+ ppg scorer down the stretch. Hell, it's looking like he'll be the teams lone 20+ ppg scorer down the stretch. Lin's points coming down, Amare will probably stay at about 18, 19 a game. You can't trade Melo at this point. I think this teams new identity is looking more and more like the Celtics.
Melo - Primary scorer - Pierce
Lin - Facilitator - Rondo
Amar'e - Pick-n-pop, Rolls - 1/2 of KG (his Offense)
Chandler - Garbage buckets, rebounder, defensive anchor - Perkins + KG's other half (Defense)
Biggest thing missing is Ray Ray's 3pt shooting, but the Knicks bring some of that with Novak/JR off the bench and that Lin's scoring ability is better than Rondo.
Scoooter
02-23-2012, 12:06 AM
It wouldn't make sense to trade Melo now. His stock is too low.
bmulls
02-23-2012, 12:07 AM
Melo will be this teams lone 25+ ppg scorer down the stretch. Hell, it's looking like he'll be the teams lone 20+ ppg scorer down the stretch. Lin's points coming down, Amare will probably stay at about 18, 19 a game. You can't trade Melo at this point. I think this teams new identity is looking more and more like the Celtics.
Melo - Primary scorer - Pierce
Lin - Facilitator - Rondo
Amar'e - Pick-n-pop, Rolls - 1/2 of KG (his Offense)
Chandler - Garbage buckets, rebounder, defensive anchor - Perkins + KG's other half
Biggest thing missing is Ray Ray's 3pt shooting, but the Knicks bring some of that with Novak/JR off the bench.
That's actually a very good comparison, and I think if they can get their ish together they can be a lot better than the Celtics, at least offensively.
Sarcastic
02-23-2012, 12:09 AM
It wouldn't make sense to trade Melo now. His stock is too low.
Right. We should wait till after he wins Finals MVP.
The teams that would take Melo don't have youth to give back, and you would never trade Melo for just "defenders".
On the other hand, the Knicks could get a king's ransom for Lin.
I've thought about the idea of trading Lin, before Linsanity wears off, many times.
Im curious as to how he'll play next season with a new Head Coach.
If its a coach who values defense like I think most of us want, it likely wont be a good fit.
Scoooter
02-23-2012, 12:10 AM
Right. We should wait till after he wins Finals MVP.
Exactly. Right before we extend D'antoni.
Scoooter
02-23-2012, 12:12 AM
I've thought about the idea of trading Lin, before Linsanity wears off, many times.
Im curious as to how he'll play next season with a new Head Coach.
If its a coach who values defense like I think most of us want, it likely wont be a good fit.
If we get a Thibedoux-style defense-defense-defense kind of coach next year, only two of our starters are going to be a good fit.
Faberg
02-23-2012, 12:13 AM
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bmulls
02-23-2012, 12:13 AM
I've thought about the idea of trading Lin, before Linsanity wears off, many times.
Im curious as to how he'll play next season with a new Head Coach.
If its a coach who values defense like I think most of us want, it likely wont be a good fit.
I don't think you would get as much value as you would expect for him. His stock is sky high right now, but only with the media and fans. Owners aren't going to make impulse decisions like that.
Droid101
02-23-2012, 12:13 AM
The teams that would take Melo don't have youth to give back, and you would never trade Melo for just "defenders".
On the other hand, the Knicks could get a king's ransom for Lin.
LOL, they sure could! But why give up Lin and go back to being a 10-15 shit team who would miss the playoffs?
June1026
02-23-2012, 12:13 AM
OK. I can understand liking Lin's game over that of a Yao.
You're speaking of Chinese-Americans, right?
Because from every sort of information thats come out says Yao is like a king over in China as far as his popularity.
Yes, but I go back there every year, he is popular in a sense that EVERYBODY knows him, his story and respect him greatly. Again, he doesn't move merchandise because only basketball fans would buy stuff and they love them Kobes.
Sarcastic
02-23-2012, 12:14 AM
Exactly. Right before we extend D'antoni.
If he wins a title, he can use my back as a surface to sign that lifetime deal.
Melo will be this teams lone 25+ ppg scorer down the stretch. Hell, it's looking like he'll be the teams lone 20+ ppg scorer down the stretch. Lin's points coming down, Amare will probably stay at about 18, 19 a game. You can't trade Melo at this point. I think this teams new identity is looking more and more like the Celtics.
Melo - Primary scorer - Pierce
Lin - Facilitator - Rondo
Amar'e - Pick-n-pop, Rolls - 1/2 of KG (his Offense)
Chandler - Garbage buckets, rebounder, defensive anchor - Perkins + KG's other half (Defense)
Biggest thing missing is Ray Ray's 3pt shooting, but the Knicks bring some of that with Novak/JR off the bench and that Lin's scoring ability is better than Rondo.
Thats a solid comparison.
The only difference is that Melo is far more of an Iso/Triple Threat guy than a perimeter scorer like Pierce was. Hes shown since the start of the season that wasn't his strong suit to have the ball in his hands on the wing trying to set up the offense or look for shots. Hes at his best when hes scoring off of 2 dribbles instead of a guy like Pierce who could essentially walk you to the basket.
Also Amare & Chandler dont bring the same intensity and desire that KG brought 24/7 to that Celtics squad. He was possessed to get that ring.
Amare is more worried about Fashion Week & Ciara's "goodies".
Chandler is just trying to provide some sort of leadership.
EllEffEll
02-23-2012, 12:18 AM
If he did, he would deserve to be cut off at the knnes. He's a rookie that didn't make at least two other squads this year and he's going to "demand" that 'Melo de traded? It's not Lin's place to be demanding jack squat. His job is to play basketball.
If we get a Thibedoux-style defense-defense-defense kind of coach next year, only two of our starters are going to be a good fit.
True.
However at this point in their careers, Melo & Amare literally have no room to buck at a defensive minded coach who tries to establish that identity.
Neither guy has played for one in their careers so far.
Maybe, just maybe there is hope that our Forwards bring it defensively on every possession. No more Melo relaxing against spot-shooters and Amare letting guys get by him and score without him giving any effort.
I Hope.:applause:
Yanch856
02-23-2012, 12:25 AM
Melo will be this teams lone 25+ ppg scorer down the stretch. Hell, it's looking like he'll be the teams lone 20+ ppg scorer down the stretch. Lin's points coming down, Amare will probably stay at about 18, 19 a game. You can't trade Melo at this point. I think this teams new identity is looking more and more like the Celtics.
Melo - Primary scorer - Pierce
Lin - Facilitator - Rondo
Amar'e - Pick-n-pop, Rolls - 1/2 of KG (his Offense)
Chandler - Garbage buckets, rebounder, defensive anchor - Perkins + KG's other half (Defense)
Biggest thing missing is Ray Ray's 3pt shooting, but the Knicks bring some of that with Novak/JR off the bench and that Lin's scoring ability is better than Rondo.
So true. The big difference is that Lin can shoot and Rondo can't. Imagine the Celtics team in its prime with a Rondo who has a consistent jumper. Also, Novak/JR together is like Allen before he lost a step. Knicks also have Shumpert and Jefferies off the bench who can defend.
I don't think you would get as much value as you would expect for him. His stock is sky high right now, but only with the media and fans. Owners aren't going to make impulse decisions like that.
This goes hand in hand.
Every small-market NBA team is looking for the next "Big Thing".
You put Jeremy Lin on the Bobcats, Hornets, or Bucks and their attendance rises by at least 2,000 throughout the rest of the year. Along with it they get even more merchandise sales, sponsorships, & TV viewership will be up.
FKAri
02-23-2012, 12:27 AM
So true. The big difference is that Lin can shoot and Rondo can't. Imagine the Celtics team in its prime with a Rondo who has a consistent jumper. Also, Novak/JR together is like Allen before he lost a step. Knicks also have Shumpert and Jefferies off the bench who can defend.
The Knicks would become astronomically better if Amare had the defense of Jared Jeffires.
This goes hand in hand.
Every small-market NBA team is looking for the next "Big Thing".
You put Jeremy Lin on the Bobcats, Hornets, or Bucks and their attendance rises by at least 2,000 throughout the rest of the year. Along with it they get even more merchandise sales, sponsorships, & TV viewership will be up.
A Knick fan wanting to trade Lin? lol. How pathetic. Cant believe you guys are wanting to trade any of these guys right now, and especially Lin. The guy who saved the Knicks season in biblical fashion.
If he wins a title, he can use my back as a surface to sign that lifetime deal.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:
heyhey
02-23-2012, 12:38 AM
I've thought about the idea of trading Lin, before Linsanity wears off, many times.
lol that's the difference between fans and owners, you think dolan's thinking about trading Lin? :oldlol:
Sarcastic
02-23-2012, 12:40 AM
lol that's the difference between fans and owners, you think dolan's thinking about trading Lin? :oldlol:
He's thinking about just as much as he is thinking of trading Anthony.
ballashotcalla
02-23-2012, 12:43 AM
I've thought about the idea of trading Lin, before Linsanity wears off, many times.
Im curious as to how he'll play next season with a new Head Coach.
If its a coach who values defense like I think most of us want, it likely wont be a good fit.
Stop listening to the media. They say he can't go left, but he's shown to go left time and time again.
Lin's defense is good. He rotates correctly and handles himself well face to face. The problem is when bigger players post him up and back that azz up. But that would be the case for any player his size.
InfiniteBaskets
02-23-2012, 12:44 AM
Dude hasn't even played a full season with the Knicks yet and he's somehow supposed to have leverage enough to ask the Knicks to trade somebody?!:lol
Ironic that Lin didn't even have enough leverage to ask the Knicks to move him from 15th man to second unit. Now apparently he can ask for trades involving max paid players lol
ballashotcalla
02-23-2012, 12:44 AM
If we get a Thibedoux-style defense-defense-defense kind of coach next year, only two of our starters are going to be a good fit.
Tib's style defense is being quick on your rotations and doubling up the iso player.
This will only help weaker defenders.
Yanch856
02-23-2012, 12:45 AM
A Knick fan wanting to trade Lin? lol. How pathetic. Cant believe you guys are wanting to trade any of these guys right now, and especially Lin. The guy who saved the Knicks season in biblical fashion.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: It's like he came back from exile to part the red sea for the Knicks.
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 07:16 AM
LOL at the Carmelo fanboys in here. When your team is sucking so badly as the knicks did, you no longer have any leverage.
Before Lin, the idea was to fire D'antonio, bring in a new coach to work with the stars, and see how that goes. If that didn't work, then pretty much everybody is expendable, including Carmelo.
The Lin streak was actually their last chance.
They had a series of easy games and tough ones and if they could go 50%, they were still in the running for a spot in the playoffs.
It was their last chance: win against the Nets, Raptors, Wizards, Kings, Hornets at all cost and hopefully steal a couple from the Lakers, Mavs, Utah, T'wolves, Celtics, and Heat.
As long as they got 6 out 12, they could keep their heads above water before the trade deadline and hopefully, after the all star break, bring in new blood from trades, a new coach, and re-energize to make a playoff run for the 2nd half.
You rookies don't know how important Lin was to the Knicks.
He didn't just save D'antonio's job, he saved the entire team, including staff members responsible for the Carmelo trade.
Had the team tanked, they would of blown up the roster and heads would of rolled in the front office.
They waited too long to be a legit contender; they tanked too many seasons to clear up cap space for not 1 but multiple stars, heck, had Lebron agreed to come to the Knicks, they would of went after his buddies and signed them too if they could.
Well Lebron never signed with the big apple, but they got 2 stars, a coach, and a solid roster.
It was their chance, their moment. This was it.
Imagine if Lin never happened and they did not go 9-2 but instead lost more than 7 out of 12 games?
All those years; all that money; all that effort; all that talent. No playoffs.
That would be the worse thing to happen to New York since 9/11.
Then Linman came to the rescue.
Trust me, it's hard for you noobs to see how much leverage he has on the Knicks, but I can assure you if he does not mesh with Carmelo in the future, they would boot him out of town even for draft picks or scrub players and if he is sick of looking at Spike Lee's ugly face in the front row, Spike would be in the highest level looking at the jumbotron with binoculars.
They name a street after him; his contract is guaranteed.
This is Lin's team. Everybody is only going for the ride.
winnnaz
02-23-2012, 07:22 AM
Why can people not just let things ride out and see what happens?
Lin has played what, 10 games as a starter?
There should be a little bit more respect given to Carmelo seeing as he is a proven star who has led decent (fair enough not elite) teams in the past.
Not to say Lin isn't a good/very good player, but I have seen players in the past go through hot streaks and not keep it up for the rest of their careers..
Just let the guys play without jumping to conclusions every single day.
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 07:32 AM
Why can people not just let things ride out and see what happens?
Lin has played what, 10 games as a starter?
There should be a little bit more respect given to Carmelo seeing as he is a proven star who has led decent (fair enough not elite) teams in the past.
Not to say Lin isn't a good/very good player, but I have seen players in the past go through hot streaks and not keep it up for the rest of their careers..
Just let the guys play without jumping to conclusions every single day.
That's the thing. No one is jumping to conclusions.
If a rookie averages 20 points, 9 assists, and is responsible for the team going 9-2, nobody will say he has hit his ceiling or it is a lucky streak.
They will say this guy has potential.
They don't say he is a fluke or he has hit his ceiling. Anyone who watches basketball as a purist will say a kid who does what he does will only not be better but make the team better as well.
This is why they could care less if the Knicks lose; they don't blame Lin, they blame someone else because they know Lin is the best player on the Knicks and the best chance they have right now.
The Lin haters are all rooting for Carmelo; a guy pretty much close to tanking the season for them.
I'm sorry but anyone who is rooting for Carmelo at this point should not be watching basketball and take up ping pong or something.
Stop telling people to wait and see and open your damn eyes and LOOK!
You're an idiot if you think NBA owners aren't businessmen first and foremost. Lin's jersey is #1 seller in the world. China is a huge, mostly untapped market for the NBA and they are going nuts for Lin. People who never watched basketball in their life are now NYK fans.
And you're an idiot if you think NYK would trade Melo before Lin. Period.
:confusedshrug:
And you're another idiot if you think NYK ould trade Melo before Lin. Shrug that. :confusedshrug:
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 08:36 AM
And you're another idiot if you think NYK ould trade Melo before Lin. Shrug that. :confusedshrug:
Dude chill out.
Lin is more valuable to the Knicks than Melo right now. Melo might be an all star, but if they were losing that much, then he doesn't have much leverage.
All the Knicks front office sees right now are the Ws; wins generate income, so the most valuable player will be the one who has the potential to win.
The Knicks lost 8 games in a row before Lin became a starter. Now they are winning.
That's all they care about; they don't care about what Carmelo did in the past and that he's an all star. He almost tanked the season.
They don't care if you are Jordan, if you are losing that much and another guy comes in and saves your team, they are riding with the guy who is producing results.
Marshmellow has proven he can't lead the Knicks; he better work with Lin who can win or they will find someone else who will.
The Knicks front office aren't that short sighted to choose Carmelo over Lin. Lin's future is already guaranteed with the Knicks. Carmelo's isn't.
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 08:44 AM
Although the Knick's have not said it yet, it is pretty obvious what the message is from their press and talking points: will Melo fit with Lin?
Nobody is saying will Lin fit with Melo.
They were going to get rid of D'antonio because he didn't mesh with Melo, now, they are going to keep him because he meshes with Lin.
The fact they are keeping a coach because it helps Lin shows how much weight he is pulling.
winnnaz
02-23-2012, 08:54 AM
That's the thing. No one is jumping to conclusions.
If a rookie averages 20 points, 9 assists, and is responsible for the team going 9-2, nobody will say he has hit his ceiling or it is a lucky streak.
They will say this guy has potential.
They don't say he is a fluke or he has hit his ceiling. Anyone who watches basketball as a purist will say a kid who does what he does will only not be better but make the team better as well.
This is why they could care less if the Knicks lose; they don't blame Lin, they blame someone else because they know Lin is the best player on the Knicks and the best chance they have right now.
The Lin haters are all rooting for Carmelo; a guy pretty much close to tanking the season for them.
I'm sorry but anyone who is rooting for Carmelo at this point should not be watching basketball and take up ping pong or something.
Stop telling people to wait and see and open your damn eyes and LOOK!
What do they realistically get in a trade for Melo? I doubt they could get anything that is going to be as good as him.
When I say people should stop jumping to conclusions, it's the fact that Melo has played what, 2 games with Lin?
They're 1-1 and only lost to NJ because D-Will lit Lin up for 38.
Why can't they play out more games and SEE where they are?
It's not like Melo has been shotjacking 20+ a game.
And as far as Lin 'demanding' a trade? No offence, but it's not as if he has been their franchise player for a decade like Kobe etc.
I doubt he would even be that kind of guy.
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 09:11 AM
What do they realistically get in a trade for Melo? I doubt they could get anything that is going to be as good as him.
When I say people should stop jumping to conclusions, it's the fact that Melo has played what, 2 games with Lin?
They're 1-1 and only lost to NJ because D-Will lit Lin up for 38.
Why can't they play out more games and SEE where they are?
It's not like Melo has been shotjacking 20+ a game.
And as far as Lin 'demanding' a trade? No offence, but it's not as if he has been their franchise player for a decade like Kobe etc.
I doubt he would even be that kind of guy.
I agree that we should see how they mesh further, but you were like he still needs to prove himself more before he has any relevance with the Knicks.
I'm sorry, if you are not a knicks fan, you don't know how relevant he is. I'm not exactly a knicks fan, but as a purist, I can see why he's so valuable to them.
They see him the same way the Bulls saw Rose. They are not saying he needs to prove himself and mesh with Carmelo.
They see him as their savior; their Derrick Rose; their chance at a title.
Why?
Because just like seeing a star in a rookie and what he can do on the court, they don't need to wait a full season to know what he is capable of.
People who watch sports as a purist will see star qualities in Lin: his hands, pace, speed, first step, mid range, long range, etc.
The purist knows for a fact when a guy gets a double team and the team centers their defense to stop him, he has made it, especially when 2 all star veteran players are on the squad.
If he was a rookie playing his first 11 games, no one will say he has hit his ceiling or that this is all luck.
NOBODY.
The only legit thing to say is he has potential to be something great. This is the only true statement.
To think things are going to get worse at this point is not only being dishonest but short sighted as well.
How can Lin play any worse than what he is playing right now? The guy is young, healthy, and his teammates will only get better.
Saying Lin will play worse is the same thing as saying Yao will never score more than 15 throughout his entire career.
Don't forget, someone had to kiss a donkey's ass for saying that.
eazyduzzit10
02-23-2012, 09:21 AM
Although the Knick's have not said it yet, it is pretty obvious what the message is from their press and talking points: will Melo fit with Lin?
Nobody is saying will Lin fit with Melo.
They were going to get rid of D'antonio because he didn't mesh with Melo, now, they are going to keep him because he meshes with Lin.
The fact they are keeping a coach because it helps Lin shows how much weight he is pulling.
WTF man can you get off Lin's nuts and see if he can maintain this production for at least the rest of the season?!
It's sad that Anthony has been beasting for several years but you say that a guy that has played 10 good games has Jordan-like power at NYK and Melo is just one of the other players.
Yes Melo has been poor this season, but based on the last several years we all know what he is capable of and considering his age there's no reason to suggest that he's declining.
With Lin, noone knows how he'll pan out. You have to be talented to have the run that he's had recently, but let's remember how Brandon Jennings went after his awesome start to his rookie year.
Bottom line is that Lin does not have the ability to run Melo out of town. This is not Kobe-Shaq. Lin needs to earn his stripes before they hand him the keys to the city
Bob Cousy
02-23-2012, 09:30 AM
he's played what, 11 games ? and makes 500k a year as of now ?
lol.
he will probably have pull next season if he stays at a high level but for now this thread is a joke.
rhythmic
02-23-2012, 09:45 AM
Doubt it. Lin is making them so much money right now it's unbelievable.
So you'd trade a proven star player for the last 6+ years before you'd trade a player who has been great for 10-12 games?
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 10:03 AM
WTF man can you get off Lin's nuts and see if he can maintain this production for at least the rest of the season?!
It's sad that Anthony has been beasting for several years but you say that a guy that has played 10 good games has Jordan-like power at NYK and Melo is just one of the other players.
Yes Melo has been poor this season, but based on the last several years we all know what he is capable of and considering his age there's no reason to suggest that he's declining.
With Lin, noone knows how he'll pan out. You have to be talented to have the run that he's had recently, but let's remember how Brandon Jennings went after his awesome start to his rookie year.
Bottom line is that Lin does not have the ability to run Melo out of town. This is not Kobe-Shaq. Lin needs to earn his stripes before they hand him the keys to the city
Again, if a rookie (which Lin is IMO) leads a team to 9-2, commands double teams and is such a threat to elite teams they center their ENTIRE defense to stop him, would you still say wait a whole season to give him credit for making some noise?
I don't think I have ever heard anyone say a rookie who lead a team to 9-2 and puts up the same numbers as someone who has reached his peak.
You make Lin sound like a 38 year old Eric Snow or something.
The fact that elite teams are centering their defense to stop Lin and the star players are marking on their calendar to bring their A game means Lin is a f*ckin threat.
Do you think these guys will mark their calendars to go up against Brian Scalabrine?
Please.
What is there to wait and see? The guy has already proven he can go up against one of the best 1 on 1 defenders, elite teams, elite PGs, and defensive teams setting their Xs and Os to stop him. He can shoot, drive, pass, steal, control the pace, and above all, make the Knicks the better team.
You make it sound like he's gonna wake up one morning, eat rocks for breakfast, forget how to walk and throw up balls like a sh*t chucking ape.
All I'm saying is nobody ever said rookie Kobe chucking up air balls in the Playoffs or rookie Lebron missing outside shots as players on a lucky streak and have prob reached their peaks.
You say they have room to be great stars.
I was the biggest hater of Lin, but what I saw, and what you fail to realize, is the star potential in him.
I saw that early. Why? I'm not just obssessed with stupid highlights and lame stats like you noobs.
I saw the double team; I saw the attention and the defensive Xs and Os focused on him; I saw the confidence in his teammates; his first step; his smart decisions with the ball and the way he paced the game, etc.
If you don't see this, then you are blind, period. I bet you are waiting for 3 more dunks before you consider him legit.
Kid has what it takes.
When was the last time a "rookie" had an opposing team center their defensive strategy to stop him?
Even some elite stars don't get this treatment.
How anyone cannot see the impact he has on the game is beyond me. I bet you idiots are the same people who are saying Lebron is not a legit star.
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 10:05 AM
So you'd trade a proven star player for the last 6+ years before you'd trade a player who has been great for 10-12 games?
Absolutely.
I don't give a flying f*ck how "proven" this star is, if he's tanking my team with 8 losses in a row, I sure as hell am not going to pick him over a guy who turned my team around.
I swear I'm talking to a bunch of pot heads here. Seriously?
Have you NOT forgotten the season was close to being tanked because Melo was the star of the Knicks?
Why the f*ck would you choose him over a guy who SAVED your franchise?
Think people.
SilkkTheShocker
02-23-2012, 10:20 AM
Trading for Melo was Dolan's deal. He's not trading him unless he is getting Lebron back.
1. Melo isn't a superstar
2. The Heat wouldn't trade Lebron with polio for Melo.
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 10:30 AM
What you noobs don't realize is the Knicks see Lin as their building block.
Who else do they have? Sure as hell not Carmelo, Amare, D'antonio, etc. They almost tanked the season.
1 guy.
That's it.
Changed their entire luck.
Who gives a f*ck if it's 11 games.
If the season is going to tank and my team would be nothing more than a lottery front runner, and someone comes in to practically save it, I'm riding with it.
Why the hell would I ride with a "star" who has been losing?
That's just a dumb ass strategy. That's like me trading my Walmart stocks for some Kmart stocks or something.
They are not dumb enough to be like, "Oh let's wait until the end of the season for Lin to prove himself although he has won us this many games and played at an all star level before we trust him to lead the way ...
... oh we can trust Melo, although he almost tanked the entire season with that pathetic record, but he's good and can make the highlights, let's trust him to lead the way. Don't worry, I'll cross my fingers and he'll turn that 8 game losing streak into a winning streak anytime soon now."
Why the f*ck is this so hard for you idiots to register in your head? If dude has been losing, then it is common sense to go with a guy who has been winning.
Why would they go with Melo when Lin has been winning? Why? Who f*ckin cares if he has "proven" himself in the past? Obviously, he has not proven himself on the Knicks. Lin has. That's all that matters. Period.
Shepseskaf
02-23-2012, 10:33 AM
Linsanity has jumped the shark and turned into real insanity.
bmulls
02-23-2012, 10:40 AM
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IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 10:50 AM
Linsanity has jumped the shark and turned into real insanity.
Yea when you have dumbass arguments picking a guy who almost tanked the season for the Knicks over a guy who saved it.
That's insane.
Trust me, I'm not a Lin fan; I was the first to post a hate blog. *fact* (if you want proof, I will link it).
Right now, the Lin hate group is MORE INSANE and illogical than the ones with Linsanity.
How anyone cannot give credit to what the kid has done is beyond me.
The love for Lin is legit. The hate is not.
All these haters are coming out of the woodwork like a pack of wolves. All your arguments are stupid.
First you said he needs to prove himself against an elite team, then you said the scouting reports are not out, then you said he needs to face a top defender, etc.
This will go on and on .. next he will need a ring, then another, then maybe 20 rings before he is legit.
Look I'm being realistic. You are INSANE to not see how much of an impact a guy has when elite teams are setting up their entire D and using their best defenders to stop him. You are INSANE if you don't think the Knicks are better.
How much MORE legit does he have to be when teams view him as the biggest threat and he makes his teammates better when he is on the floor?
Go ahead and wait for the end of the season before you consider him legit.
Those of us who are actually watching the game know what we are witnessing.
That guy looks a lot like Steve Nash with longer shorts and a faster first step.
He's already arrived.
Shepseskaf
02-23-2012, 11:06 AM
Yea when you have dumbass arguments picking a guy who almost tanked the season for the Knicks over a guy who saved it.
That's insane.
Dude, do yourself a favor -- take a series of deep breaths and stop posting. You're seriously sounding insane.
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 11:22 AM
Dude, do yourself a favor -- take a series of deep breaths and stop posting. You're seriously sounding insane.
How the f*ck do I sound insane by simply implying it is stupid for choosing a guy who is HELPING A TEAM WIN over a guy who has been losing?
Sounds pretty damn logical to me.
Are you intimidated by the cuss words puss boy? It's only added for dramatic effect and does not truely represent how angry I actually am.
Stop being so sensitive. Thanks.
Shepseskaf
02-23-2012, 11:26 AM
How the f*ck do I sound insane by simply implying it is stupid for choosing a guy who is HELPING A TEAM WIN over a guy who has been losing?
Sounds pretty damn logical to me.
Are you intimidated by the cuss words puss boy? It's only added for dramatic effect and does not truely represent how angry I actually am.
Stop being so sensitive. Thanks.
Um, ya, we get your point -- after the 1,000th time you've posted it.
I still think you need help.
winnnaz
02-23-2012, 11:38 AM
Jeez.. Nice rant dude..
Where did I say that they should trade Lin? The guy has been GREAT for them, obviously. I just don't see why they should ship Melo out?
Melo still offers alot to them and to let him go would be silly.
Theres no reason they can't have both of them and obviously Melo shouldn't be the be all and end all of their team anymore.
My whole point was WHY should they trade 'Melo, when he and Lin have only played 2 games together?
'Melo is still a very good player to have out on the court when you need a bucket and I'm sure any team would like to have him out there.
If it turns out that he is making the team worse by jacking the shit out of the ball and not allowing Lin to do his thing, then sure - ship him out.
And for the record, I'm a fan of what Lin's doing.
LABean
02-23-2012, 03:10 PM
Skimmed through the thread and about 80% of you say that Lin should demand the Knicks trade Melo. I agree with those. :applause:
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Jotaro Durant
02-23-2012, 03:15 PM
isnt it because of melo telling dantoni to put lin in that this wole craze started:lol
Sarcastic
02-23-2012, 03:17 PM
1. Melo isn't a superstar
2. The Heat wouldn't trade Lebron with polio for Melo.
Good luck being a Cavs fan again when he leaves the Heat.
jwmann2
02-23-2012, 03:18 PM
I'm sorry, but it would be Lin going before Melo. He's the face of that franchise. Lin is just a temporary headline.
Kingwillball
02-23-2012, 03:19 PM
NO, Melo should stay through the rest of this season at least but if Knicks flounder down the stretch I would consider trading him before next season.
Kingwillball
02-23-2012, 03:21 PM
I'm sorry, but it would be Lin going before Melo. He's the face of that franchise. Lin is just a temporary headline.
$ Lin $ mucho dinero for Knicks Org..it is not all about basketball its a business also.
I can believe people think Lin is more valuable than Carmelo Anthony. :roll:
1. Check Melo resume then check Lin's
2. Check how much was given up to aquire Melo then ask yourself would Lin command the same value in return
3. Why is this even an argument?
Kingwillball
02-23-2012, 03:29 PM
I can believe people think Lin is more valuable than Carmelo Anthony. :roll:
1. Check Melo resume then check Lin's
2. Check how much was given up to aquire Melo then ask yourself would Lin command the same value in return
3. Why is this even an argument?
See above..And than check how much revenue he is bringing the Knicks and the NBA right now.. On basketball court Obviously Melo is a great player.
See above..And than check how much revenue he is bringing the Knicks and the NBA right now.. On basketball court Obviously Melo is a great player.
Who gives a crap about revenue? If you want to argue neither player would be traded? Fine, say that. But if one player was to be traded for another it would be Lin before Melo. You can take those profits you found online and shove them. Melo is the piece NYK has been looking for since the Bron sweepstakes. I'll be damned if you or anyone attempts to feed me a garbage argument how some kid after 10-11 games is more valuable and wouldnt be traded before Melo. Its complete nonsense. Remove yourself from the hype.
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 03:44 PM
I can believe people think Lin is more valuable than Carmelo Anthony. :roll:
1. Check Melo resume then check Lin's
2. Check how much was given up to aquire Melo then ask yourself would Lin command the same value in return
3. Why is this even an argument?
Stupid argument.
The Knicks might have spent a lot of money based on his resume, but in the end, it doesn't matter how good he was in the past, if he can't succeed on the Knicks (the only thing that matters right now), then he is not more valuable than the guy that practically saved their season.
Lin is winning. Period. When Melo is tanking the team THAT badly, I doubt the Knicks really care about what he did in Denver.
Seriously who gives a sh*t? That's like me saying Odom is more valuable than Terry for the Mavs because of what he did for the Lakers in the past.
Nobody cares dude.
Kingwillball
02-23-2012, 03:48 PM
Who gives a crap about revenue? If you want to argue neither player would be traded? Fine, say that. But if one player was to be traded for another it would be Lin before Melo. You can take those profits you found online and shove them. Melo is the piece NYK has been looking for since the Bron sweepstakes. I'll be damned if you or anyone attempts to feed me a garbage argument how some kid after 10-11 games is more valuable and wouldnt be traded before Melo. Its complete nonsense. Remove yourself from the hype.
I like Melo although he has not played that well this season and has not made the Knicks better where as Lin has.. That is not an opinion but a fact.. Also the Garden and the NYC area is electric every time Knicks take the court that is because of Lin not Melo. The Knicks Viewership is up 130% since Lin has been playing, his Jersey sales are #1 in the NBA and the Knicks Tickets are now more than Double there Value of earlier this season. Also Lin Endorsement wise is said to be able to command the same value as Lebron and Kobe. Now, again Melo should NOT be traded this season but unless he really dominates in Playoffs and KNicks make a run I think Knicks could consider trading him if the team and Lin is being held back..
Bigsmoke
02-23-2012, 03:57 PM
u wanna trade Melo for Deng?
Fiasco
02-23-2012, 04:06 PM
Really?
u wanna trade Melo for Deng?
Sure, I mean lets wait first. If Melo doesnt dominate in the playoffs? Then in the offseason Chicago can have Melo for Deng straight up. Nothing else needs to be included unless salaries arent close to matching. Throw in those roster fillers to even it up. But sure, why not give Chicago Melo? NYK have Lin, no real need for the guy. :confusedshrug:
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 04:29 PM
u wanna trade Melo for Deng?
No.
Keep Melo and see how he meshes with Lin.
Melo got his chance. He has not proven he can lead the team, in fact, he has done the worse thing imaginable: lose badly.
I don't understand why you guys are throwing the word "proven" around; if you want to talk about who has proven to be the leader of the Knicks, then it is Lin. He is 9-2 so far and putting up all star numbers.
Melo is the one who needs to prove himself. Who cares about his resume. Nobody today still takes Mcgrady seriously because of what he did in the past.
If you have a winning formula that works, why mess with it?
The pressure is on Melo now. Nobody cares about what he did in Denver; what he does on the Knicks is all that matters.
Either he work with the new system and help them win or he becomes a cancer and make them lose.
Lin doesn't have to prove anything; last I check, Melo was the one who nearly tanked the season.
:roll: So Lin doesnt have to prov anything, its Carmelo Anthony that has too. As if his resume doesnt scream PROVEN already. Where do these clowns come from?
kevinrsx408
02-23-2012, 05:36 PM
people r too quick to believe that melo n lin cant co-exist. new york wud b idiots to trade either of them.
heyhey
02-23-2012, 05:39 PM
I can believe people think Lin is more valuable than Carmelo Anthony. :roll:
1. Check Melo resume then check Lin's
2. Check how much was given up to aquire Melo then ask yourself would Lin command the same value in return
3. Why is this even an argument?
casual fans don't care about any of those things...
and it's the casual fans = ratings/ticket sales/merchandise sales
airchibundo507
02-23-2012, 05:44 PM
casual fans don't care about any of those things...
and it's the casual fans = ratings/ticket sales/merchandise sales
you've been the biggest Melo troll around since you took a sudden interest in Lin and the Knicks.
heyhey
02-23-2012, 05:53 PM
you've been the biggest Melo troll around since you took a sudden interest in Lin and the Knicks.
lol been a knicks fan and posting in the game threads before you even jumped on the bandwagon cuz ur boy came
talking about business aspect of the sport is trolling melo now :oldlol:
MightyWhitey
02-23-2012, 06:06 PM
:confusedshrug:
Can't make it to the finals if he can't play his game.
How old are you? 11? 12? Threads like this are so useless. Melo is an isolation style player and is a proven player. Lin is doing good so far. Why give up On Melo when they should give up on D'antoni and his system.
LABean
02-23-2012, 06:30 PM
How old are you? 11? 12? Threads like this are so useless. Melo is an isolation style player and is a proven player. Lin is doing good so far. Why give up On Melo when they should give up on D'antoni and his system.
Ah, the "How old are you?" come back. :applause: :lol :lol
So Knicks fans are back to blaming D'Antoni? What should he do? Would Lin worked better in another coach's system?
IamRAMBO24
02-23-2012, 07:26 PM
:roll: So Lin doesnt have to prov anything, its Carmelo Anthony that has too. As if his resume doesnt scream PROVEN already. Where do these clowns come from?
You're an idiot.
If you think Carmelo has already proven himself on the Knicks, you have not seen a single game played this season. Period.
The Knicks looked like women's highschool varsity on the court: they couldn't shoot, play D, they didn't know what they were doing, where they were going, or anything else for that matter.
If you call going 8-15 with a 6 game losing streak where Melo was shooting only 35% and jacking up 25+ shots as "proof" that he can lead the Knicks, then you are completely delusional.
You call that performance "proven?" Proven what? Proven that he can lead them to a high lottery pick?
You know what is even more sad? The only reason why they ended that 6 game losing streak was because Melo only scored 1 point and allowed his teammates to play their game. HE HAD TO BE A NON FACTOR AGAINST THE WORSE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE (BOBCATS) TO WIN A GAME AND SNAP THE LOSING STREAK.
You call that "proven?" That's pathetic.
The only player that has proven to be a leader of the Knicks is Lin. Period. Not Amare, D'antonio, or Carmelo. Go ask Chandler who he's following.
StateOfMind12
02-23-2012, 07:43 PM
Lin is going to demand a trade on a max contract player who he credits for giving him the chance to play in the first place? :confusedshrug: I think someone like LeBron would do that, not Lin.
winnnaz
02-24-2012, 02:09 AM
No.
Keep Melo and see how he meshes with Lin.
Melo got his chance. He has not proven he can lead the team, in fact, he has done the worse thing imaginable: lose badly.
I don't understand why you guys are throwing the word "proven" around; if you want to talk about who has proven to be the leader of the Knicks, then it is Lin. He is 9-2 so far and putting up all star numbers.
Melo is the one who needs to prove himself. Who cares about his resume. Nobody today still takes Mcgrady seriously because of what he did in the past.
If you have a winning formula that works, why mess with it?
The pressure is on Melo now. Nobody cares about what he did in Denver; what he does on the Knicks is all that matters.
Either he work with the new system and help them win or he becomes a cancer and make them lose.
Lin doesn't have to prove anything; last I check, Melo was the one who nearly tanked the season.
Nice backflip there
IamRAMBO24
02-24-2012, 02:56 AM
Nice backflip there
I never said the Knicks should trade Melo. I said wait and see.
The argument started when some noob said Melo was more valuable to the Knicks than Lin.
strifed169
02-24-2012, 02:59 AM
you'd have to be an idiot to think Lin if given the opportunity would ever demand one of his team mates be traded
Sarcastic
02-24-2012, 03:07 AM
I never said the Knicks should trade Melo. I said wait and see.
The argument started when some noob said Melo was more valuable to the Knicks than Lin.
Melo is more valuable than Lin. Wait till D'Antoni is gone, and a new coach actually allows the players to flourish, and not be held back from this dumb system.
IamRAMBO24
02-24-2012, 03:24 AM
Melo is more valuable than Lin. Wait till D'Antoni is gone, and a new coach actually allows the players to flourish, and not be held back from this dumb system.
*SIGHS*
You can't even argue this dude: 9W-17L.
Come back with a more legit argument when Carmelo can actually win. Thanks.
Sarcastic
02-24-2012, 03:33 AM
*SIGHS*
You can't even argue this dude: 9W-17L.
Come back with a more legit argument when Carmelo can actually win. Thanks.
Carmelo Anthony has never missed the playoffs in his life. The 9-17 record is a reflection of a shitty coach, that can't do anything without his PG controlling the tempo.
IamRAMBO24
02-24-2012, 03:47 AM
Carmelo Anthony has never missed the playoffs in his life. The 9-17 record is a reflection of a shitty coach, that can't do anything without his PG controlling the tempo.
Yea yea blame the coach.
Let me ask you this, if the coach is the REAL reason why Carmelo sucks badly, then why is he still the coach?
If Melo is so important and more valuable than Lin, wouldn't the Knicks find a better coach to fit Melo and NOT lin?
Thought so.
Sarcastic
02-24-2012, 03:57 AM
Yea yea blame the coach.
Let me ask you this, if the coach is the REAL reason why Carmelo sucks badly, then why is he still the coach?
If Melo is so important and more valuable than Lin, wouldn't the Knicks find a better coach to fit Melo and NOT lin?
Thought so.
He would have been fired if the Giants did not make their Super Bowl run. Dolan did not want the bad news when the Giants were all over the news. Then he put Lin in, and saved his season.
It's the Giants fault really.
True story.
IamRAMBO24
02-24-2012, 03:59 AM
He would have been fired if the Giants did not make their Super Bowl run. Dolan did not want the bad news when the Giants were all over the news. Then he put Lin in, and saved his season.
It's the Giants fault really.
True story.
Then why would you choose a guy who practically saved their season over a guy who pretty much tanked it?
Sarcastic
02-24-2012, 04:06 AM
Then why would you choose a guy who practically saved their season over a guy who pretty much tanked it?
It's mostly fluff. D'Antoni's system gets results in the regular season, but it is a recipe for failure in the playoffs, or anytime that adjustments need to be made.
Kiddlovesnets
02-24-2012, 08:09 AM
:confusedshrug:
Can't make it to the finals if he can't play his game.
You sound like they can make it to the finals if he can play his game...
:facepalm
LABean
03-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Bump. :confusedshrug:
Bump...yeah trade Melo before Lin. and I'm the moron. :roll:
konex
04-08-2012, 04:04 PM
Embarrassing :facepalm
LamarOdom
04-08-2012, 04:06 PM
Bump. :confusedshrug:
A too early bump don't you say?
Alamo
04-08-2012, 04:07 PM
Melo averaging 30 points a game since Lin went down.
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