Can someone explain how or why Lin shot 1-11 tonight?

[StateOfMind12]

I had class tonight so I missed the game and I just saw the box-score and I saw him shoot 1-11 which was god awful. Can someone how or why that happened? Was he just forcing shots up or was he just simply missing shots that he typically makes, a.k.a a bad night?

[Micku]

Missing shots. Most of those shots were either open jumpers or contested layups or something.

The hype of the Heat game seemed to shook him up, so he was timid throughout the first half. Got better in the second, but the Heat defense seemed to get to him.

[Babalu]

***** in da armor

[SacJB Shady]

Lin felt the pressure. When he overcomes it, he will be better than jordan

[Mr. Jabbar]

L1-11n

[BrooklynZoo]

he was shook. simply missed a lot of make-able shots. they were mostly runners

[Marv_Albert]

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[outbreak]

Bad shooting night and was shut down, heat exposed the fact that if he can't get a shot for himself he struggles to find other options when surrounded. To me that's his biggest weakness at the moment and causes alot of his turn overs with hurried/bad passes, once he sorts that out he'll be alot more solid in a team game.

[TheTruth11]

EXPOSED!

8 turnovers too!

Good player but not what he has been built up to be. Too much too soon. He is still learning the game and learning his teammates. Plus this is just his first go round the league. NBA ball clubs will figure you out. That plus the length and athleticism of the Heat proved too much.

That said, I think the guy will be good. Elite?? Not likely. But very very good (even an Allstar).... in time.

...

[Bob Cousy]

I knew he was going to struggle tonight because Chalmers and Cole are exactly the type of guards that give Lin trouble, ball hawkers just like Rubio.

fans can read scouting reports too ya know:lol , go online and look them up.

[sportsfan76]

I had class tonight so I missed the game and I just saw the box-score and I saw him shoot 1-11 which was god awful. Can someone how or why that happened? Was he just forcing shots up or was he just simply missing shots that he typically makes, a.k.a a bad night?

The Heat didn't want a PG of a different race to have a good game in their building so they quadrupled teamed him most of the night

[FKAri]

He missed the shots cuz he was tired. He missed the passes cuz he was shook.

[pauk]

Very simple..... he finally played against great defensive team

[inclinerator]

the ball just didnt want to go thru the net tonight

[bagelred]

I had class tonight so I missed the game and I just saw the box-score and I saw him shoot 1-11 which was god awful. Can someone how or why that happened? Was he just forcing shots up or was he just simply missing shots that he typically makes, a.k.a a bad night?

The Heat defense was just relentless. They were doubling and trapping Lin all night and he couldn't handle it. He really look shook in first half. Settled down in 2nd half but he was just out of sorts. Clearly his worst game by far of this stretch.

[outbreak]

The Heat didn't want a PG of a different race to have a good game in their building so they quadrupled teamed him most of the night

I'm sure most point guards in the league would love teams to quadruple team them and leave their shooters and drunkers open for passes. This was lin's weakness that he hasn't worked that part of his game out yet hence why he couldn't beat the tactic. He'll learn in time.

[d21221hk]

The Heat defense was just relentless. They were doubling and trapping Lin all night and he couldn't handle it. He really look shook in first half. Settled down in 2nd half but he was just out of sorts. Clearly his worst game by far of this stretch.
c'mon, im a huge lin fan and that is overexaggerated.

[bagelred]

c'mon, im a huge lin fan and that is overexaggerated.

Were we watching the same game? They were doubling and trapping him. Lin couldn't handle it.

[StateOfMind12]

The Heat defense was just relentless. They were doubling and trapping Lin all night and he couldn't handle it. He really look shook in first half. Settled down in 2nd half but he was just out of sorts. Clearly his worst game by far of this stretch.
I was more curious on how or why he shot poorly then why he turned the ball over. I think it's pretty easy to understand why he turned the ball over against the Heat without even watching the game.

It probably doesn't help that he played the night before and played the most minutes of the starters outside of Chandler.

[IamRAMBO24]

That's what happens when you get quadruple team everytime you touched the ball.

[DRose1899]

Luck n good moment can't last forever

[d21221hk]

Were we watching the same game? They were doubling and trapping him. Lin couldn't handle it.

yah, but not all night. shit first linstan spotted. gtfo-ing. :hammerhead:

[DMV2]

The Dragon got caged heat tonight.

He will have his revenge the next time they play.

[NattyPButter]

lol at ppl saying he was doubled teamed all night. He had tons of open shots he just played bad. That's what u get for overhyping players.

[IamRAMBO24]

lol at ppl saying he was doubled teamed all night. He had tons of open shots he just played bad. That's what u get for overhyping players.

You didn't see the game. Period.

[Bob Cousy]

lol at ppl saying he was doubled teamed all night. He had tons of open shots he just played bad. That's what u get for overhyping players.
exactly.

I have the game taped on my PVR and as I am rewatching, it seems to be that they played half and half. 50% single coverage and the rest double/trapping.

which are all fair tactics, but in Lin's case, this is not fair and Miami was picking on him.:violin:

An NBA level PG should never be doubled or trapped !!!:hammerhead:

[hawkfan]

He isn't going to be perfect every night.
He's in his second year in the league.
Fourth team in two years. Fourth coach in 2 years.
He didn't go to training camp with this team.
He's learning on the job.
Compressed schedule with almost no practice time.

He's going to have some subpar games every now and then.

[PJR]

***** in da armor

:roll:

[gyu]

exactly.

I have the game taped on my PVR and as I am rewatching, it seems to be that they played half and half. 50% single coverage and the rest double/trapping.

which are all fair tactics, but in Lin's case, this is not fair and Miami was picking on him.:violin:

An NBA level PG should never be doubled or trapped !!!:hammerhead:
It's not that it's unfair, it's just strange they would give so much attention to a D-leaguer especially when there is Amar'e and Carmelo :rolleyes:

[Bob Cousy]

It's not that it's unfair, it's just strange they would give so much attention to a D-leaguer especially when there is Amar'e and Carmelo :rolleyes:
Because Lin is their best player, duh. He commands that type of attention.

:confusedshrug:

Melo should be traded for a pack of gatorade cups and a towel for Lin. Knicks should have used the amnesty on Amare instead of you know who.

[Dictator]

:LOL at all you Lin fans. Amare only got 7 shots and Carmelo got stuffed like 5 times.

Lin had multiple open shots which he bricked and he even tried to statpad and STILL miss.

Shitemy Lin

[Pointguard]

I had class tonight so I missed the game and I just saw the box-score and I saw him shoot 1-11 which was god awful. Can someone how or why that happened? Was he just forcing shots up or was he just simply missing shots that he typically makes, a.k.a a bad night?
Dem Heat Mofo's be fast.

And that's all you need to know.

[Yanch856]

Well you have to give Chalmers a lot of credit... his man to man D was excellent. Then the trap out of pick and roll was as tight as I've seen any team put on Lin. Like I said, Lin can be made to look very ordinary, and without his penetration the knicks had no easy baskets. I don't think he's yet to experience this kinda defense so his confidence was knocked a little. Hence 1-11.

This a gut check for him man... he'll need to get even better to compete against the Heat.

But how do you hate on Lin? He didn't quit, he's a competitor and he'll come back next time hopefully better against the Heat

[fubu05]

Let's not just act like Lin missed open jumpers guys and he would've hit them, and he was just on an off night, it had nothing to do with that the Heat were doing. It had everything to do with the Heat. They had a man within a foot of him at all times. From the inbound he struggled to get past half-court, then there was help soon as he got past the 3pt line. The Heat had a beautiful defensive game plan and Lin has just never seen a team this good defensively. Lin just didn't know how to handle the pressure.

However, I will say this. I have no doubt in my mind he will figure it out and next game will be a lot different. He's shown it before in the season, he makes mistakes, and he usually comes out the next game and corrects them. The rest of the regular season is a huge learning experience for him in the playoffs. Bottom line is, Lin + Baron went 1-18 tonight, the Knicks had 19 turnovers, didn't shoot the ball particularly well, Melo had an off night, and after all this the Knicks were within 8 in the 4th with a chance to come back in the game. Don't be surprised if these two teams meet in the playoffs and the Knicks make it a 7-game series or even possibly upset. Just my 2 cents.

Here's to a very entertaining 1st half though :cheers:

[Burgz]

he looked sluggish, his legs weren't in his shot and and he forced the issue a couple of times

2nd half he looked apprehensive to play his game, the heat defense completely shut him down, put him in uncomfortable situations

[Yanch856]

Let's not just act like Lin missed open jumpers guys and he would've hit them, and he was just on an off night, it had nothing to do with that the Heat were doing. It had everything to do with the Heat. They had a man within a foot of him at all times. From the inbound he struggled to get past half-court, then there was help soon as he got past the 3pt line. The Heat had a beautiful defensive game plan and Lin has just never seen a team this good defensively. Lin just didn't know how to handle the pressure.

However, I will say this. I have no doubt in my mind he will figure it out and next game will be a lot different. He's shown it before in the season, he makes mistakes, and he usually comes out the next game and corrects them. The rest of the regular season is a huge learning experience for him in the playoffs. Bottom line is, Lin + Baron went 1-18 tonight, the Knicks had 19 turnovers, didn't shoot the ball particularly well, Melo had an off night, and after all this the Knicks were within 8 in the 4th with a chance to come back in the game. Don't be surprised if these two teams meet in the playoffs and the Knicks make it a 7-game series or even possibly upset. Just my 2 cents.

Here's to a very entertaining 1st half though :cheers:

Exactly my thoughts too Fubu05. And like you said, the HEAT frontcourt is where they can be beat, and I think the Knicks have the tools to do it.

Wow I'm hoping to see them again in the playoffs. It was an entertaining game for sure.

[k0kakw0rld]

Luck n good moment can't last forever
This.

[Yanch856]

This.

What a hater. Luck?

You're going to eat some major crow when Lin strikes back.

[k0kakw0rld]

Exactly my thoughts too Fubu05. And like you said, the HEAT frontcourt is where they can be beat, and I think the Knicks have the tools to do it.

Wow I'm hoping to see them again in the playoffs. It was an entertaining game for sure.

I just hope they make the playoffs Cleveland is next and they are no joke. Knicks seem to struggle against teams under .500 and always bring the effort against elite teams. Nothing new. It will be interesting after All-Star break

[k0kakw0rld]

Well you have to give Chalmers a lot of credit... his man to man D was excellent. Then the trap out of pick and roll was as tight as I've seen any team put on Lin. Like I said, Lin can be made to look very ordinary, and without his penetration the knicks had no easy baskets. I don't think he's yet to experience this kinda defense so his confidence was knocked a little. Hence 1-11.

This a gut check for him man... he'll need to get even better to compete against the Heat.

But how do you hate on Lin? He didn't quit, he's a competitor and he'll come back next time hopefully better against the Heat

How do you know he is a competitor? For how long have you been watching him play? Oh wait he never played before the knicks :lol

[clayton]

1-7 in normal gameplay. The rest of the missed shots were from failed attempt at stat padding.

[Bigsmoke]

did cp3 drop somethink like 27 and 10 on the Heat earlier this season?

This site is comparing Cole and Chalmers like they are Gary Payton and Jason Kidd on D.

[All Net]

I had class tonight so I missed the game and I just saw the box-score and I saw him shoot 1-11 which was god awful. Can someone how or why that happened? Was he just forcing shots up or was he just simply missing shots that he typically makes, a.k.a a bad night?

Chalmers and Cole gave him problems which caused him to force things early. Miami played very good D and on and it was clear it was alot for him to handle.

[TrueRob]

Lin's offensive skillset wasn't versatile enough to deal with Miami's D. I was curious to see what Lin would do if he couldn't get to the basket. He couldn't take his defender off the dribble and go for a pull-up jumper or step-back like CP3. He couldn't use a floater or push-shot (DRose style) either. It's ok though, he can get better, but he's definitely lacking some skills.

[Kiddlovesnets]

umm it is interesting to note that Jeremy Lin is leading the league with Turnovers per game during the past few games...

[stevieming]

Lin's offensive skillset wasn't versatile enough to deal with Miami's D. I was curious to see what Lin would do if he couldn't get to the basket. He couldn't take his defender off the dribble and go for a pull-up jumper or step-back like CP3. He couldn't use a floater or push-shot (DRose style) either. It's ok though, he can get better, but he's definitely lacking some skills.

Lin has a good handle in terms of crossover, spin moves, but his general handle isn't as smooth as Cp3, heck most PGs have not got a yoyo handle like CP3, you can't think Chalmers and Cole can rip CP3 like they do Lin. They reach and CP3 would make them look silly or bait (flop) them into fouls. Something which Lin needs to learn to do.

[SacJB Shady]

It is LINSANE to think Lin cannot linprove. It really is.

[9512]

To improve his game, J Lin needs to train with a guy named Ganon Baker.

[JMT]

Because while the ISHiots were wetting their pants over the guy, realists understood that he was the equivalent of a hot Triple A pitcher making his first run through the league. We also saw that the Knicks had a nice run in their schedule, which would be followed by the current run vs good teams, with lots of road games.

Teams get video, they make adjustments, they force him to try and play to the weaknesses in his game. The same weaknesses that scouts saw and determined would keep him from being anything but just another NBA player.

He's a backup NBA PG, a shoot first player who will never succeed as such at the NBA level. A 2 in a 1's body. All he's ever been.

[IamRAMBO24]

Because while the ISHiots were wetting their pants over the guy, realists understood that he was the equivalent of a hot Triple A pitcher making his first run through the league. We also saw that the Knicks had a nice run in their schedule, which would be followed by the current run vs good teams, with lots of road games.

Teams get video, they make adjustments, they force him to try and play to the weaknesses in his game. The same weaknesses that scouts saw and determined would keep him from being anything but just another NBA player.

He's a backup NBA PG, a shoot first player who will never succeed as such at the NBA level. A 2 in a 1's body. All he's ever been.

Dude I'm not even that big of a Lin fan but these comments make my blood boil.

He's a f*ckin rookie dumbass. End of discussion.

[IamRAMBO24]

Because while the ISHiots were wetting their pants over the guy, realists understood that he was the equivalent of a hot Triple A pitcher making his first run through the league. We also saw that the Knicks had a nice run in their schedule, which would be followed by the current run vs good teams, with lots of road games.

Teams get video, they make adjustments, they force him to try and play to the weaknesses in his game. The same weaknesses that scouts saw and determined would keep him from being anything but just another NBA player.

He's a backup NBA PG, a shoot first player who will never succeed as such at the NBA level. A 2 in a 1's body. All he's ever been.

Ok 2nd point is stupid as well.

"
He's a backup NBA PG"

He's already starting dumbass.

"
Teams get video, they make adjustments, they force him to try and play to the weaknesses in his game. "

You haters always say the same generic sh*t: oh they will learn his moves and he will be shut down night in and night out. You can say that about Baron Davis; you can say that about Amare, and even Carmelo, but saying that about Lin does not make any logical sense.

Again. Rookie. I call him a rookie because this is pratically his first season playing real minutes. ROOKIES IMPROVE!

Kobe's first year averaging 30+ minutes: 2pts 0 rebounds, 4 stls, 2 TO, .00% FG versus the Jazz in 1998.

End of discussion. Now get off his jock. Thanks.

[swi7ch]

the ball just didnt want to go thru the net tonight :oldlol:

[JMT]

Dude I'm not even that big of a Lin fan but these comments make my blood boil.

He's a f*ckin rookie dumbass. End of discussion.


You're right. He is a f*ckin rookie dumbass. One that is destined to be a backup NBA PG.

The guys who aren't dumbasses are the ones who saw him play in college and know what he is. He's ok. He's not the next superstar. He's not pushing the Knicks deep into the playoffs.

He got caught up in a super hot streak, vs poor-average competition. It was the weeks after the Super Bowl, and the American media was desperate for anything to turn into a story. There's the Ivy League component, the Asian/American component, the underdog component, the NY City component.

As a young player he'll have ups and downs. With minutes, he'll likely improve. But he's a backup NBA PG. Wait and see.

[Sarcastic]

Because while the ISHiots were wetting their pants over the guy, realists understood that he was the equivalent of a hot Triple A pitcher making his first run through the league. We also saw that the Knicks had a nice run in their schedule, which would be followed by the current run vs good teams, with lots of road games.

Teams get video, they make adjustments, they force him to try and play to the weaknesses in his game. The same weaknesses that scouts saw and determined would keep him from being anything but just another NBA player.

He's a backup NBA PG, a shoot first player who will never succeed as such at the NBA level. A 2 in a 1's body. All he's ever been.


He's a lot more than just a backup PG, and he is a hell of a lot more than Tebow will ever be.

[JMT]

Ok 2nd point is stupid as well.

"
He's a backup NBA PG"

He's already starting dumbass.

"
Teams get video, they make adjustments, they force him to try and play to the weaknesses in his game. "

You haters always say the same generic sh*t: oh they will learn his moves and he will be shut down night in and night out. You can say that about Baron Davis; you can say that about Amare, and even Carmelo, but saying that about Lin does not make any logical sense.

.


There's a lot of backup NBA PG starting for bad teams.

Never said he can't improve. Just that people have overblown what he's done to this point and, when it all settles down in the future, he'll be shown to be just another NBA player.

But my favorite is...it makes sense to think teams adjusted to established players who've been scouted by NBA guys since high school...but that they wouldn't do so vs a guy who they paid little or no attention to until the last three weeks?

Brilliant. :facepalm

[IamRAMBO24]

You're right. He is a f*ckin rookie dumbass. One that is destined to be a backup NBA PG.

The guys who aren't dumbasses are the ones who saw him play in college and know what he is. He's ok. He's not the next superstar. He's not pushing the Knicks deep into the playoffs.

He got caught up in a super hot streak, vs poor-average competition. It was the weeks after the Super Bowl, and the American media was desperate for anything to turn into a story. There's the Ivy League component, the Asian/American component, the underdog component, the NY City component.

As a young player he'll have ups and downs. With minutes, he'll likely improve. But he's a backup NBA PG. Wait and see.

Again, you make absolutely no sense.

If he is going to improve, then why would he be a backup guard when he already is a starter over another veteran all star?

So what? He's just gonna wake up in the morning with amnesia, start eating rocks for breakfast, and padding the basketball with a tennis racket because he all of sudden will FORGET HOW TO PUT UP 20 pts, 9 assists 52% FG, 9-3 win record?


He will improve. I said it; you said it; anyone not undergoing lobotomy will say it: ROOKIES IMPROVE! *Fact*

So stop saying some stupid sh*t like he's gonna end up as back up PG or he won't go any further. That's like saying a baby can't walk after the first few steps.

What the stans realize and what makes you haters so short sighted is THE POTENTIAL they see in his game.

If he is already playing like an all star in his first "rookie" 30+ min season, how the f*ck can you sit there with a straight face and say he won't improve 5 years from now?

You haters are worse than the stans.

[Droid101]

The Heat completely shut him down on purpose. His teammates were pretty wide open the whole game, but he was having trouble getting them the ball.

Lin isn't great at using the high screens. Plus, Amar'e or Carmelo needs to be setting them, not Chandler or Jeffries (who don't know what to do with the ball once they get it).

Good practice for Lin. He'll get better.

[Mr. Incredible]

NY needs to get out of the 1st round before they can even see the Heat. Don't know if they can or will.

[JMT]

Again, you make absolutely no sense.

If he is going to improve, then why would he be a backup guard when he already is a starter over another veteran all star?

So what? He's just gonna wake up in the morning with amnesia, start eating rocks for breakfast, and padding the basketball with a tennis racket because he all of sudden will FORGET HOW TO PUT UP 20 pts, 9 assists 52% FG, 9-3 win record?


He will improve. I said it; you said it; anyone not undergoing lobotomy will say it: ROOKIES IMPROVE! *Fact*

So stop saying some stupid sh*t like he's gonna end up as back up PG or he won't go any further. That's like saying a baby can't walk after the first few steps.

What the stans realize and what makes you haters so short sighted is THE POTENTIAL they see in his game.

If he is already playing like an all star in his first "rookie" 30+ min season, how the f*ck can you sit there with a straight face and say he won't improve 5 years from now?

You haters are worse than the stans.

Please relax. It's really nothing personal.

Putting together a nice run of a couple weeks...even if it's done while starting games...doesn't necessarily make a guy a long term NBA starter. Lots of guys have started games in their careers. That doesn't make them NBA starters except in the minds of knee-jerk children who don't understand long term success vs flashes of brilliance.

Again, nobody said he won't improve. Odds are he will, though it's not a "fact" that all rookies do. But I'm willing to assume that he will.

What I'm not willing to assume is that what he's shown during a crazy run of a dozen games is indicative of what he'll deliver long term. It's an incredibly small sample size; far too small to accept as showing what's it is he's actually capable of imo.

So, while his skills may actually improve (ie, he may become a better-than-33% shooter from 3, etc), that doesn't necessarily equate to better stats or overall production. In fact, as time exposes some of the deficiencies in his game, it may adversely affect his minutes, which will limit his opportunities. I don't care about Baron Davis, but he's presumably going to get into better shape. If Lin is going to improve due to his rookie status, so is Shumpert. As the season wears on, it's unlikely the plan is to keep Lin playing as many minutes as he is right now.

He was a shoot first guy in college (more rebounds than assists) who only shot 33% from the college 3. It's not as if he's an instinctive passer; that's been proven by the rash of TO when teams force him to keep the ball and make decisions late. He's borderline in height for an NBA 2.

I wish the best for him. Have no reason to wish him failure. I've just been around long enough to learn that basketball allows for more adjustments than any other sport. Fewer players to deal with, tendencies repeated more frequently due to the pace of the game. And given the depth of scouting at the pro level (beginning when players are in middle school in many cases), it will surprise me if he exceeds a certain plateau. And no matter how much you scream and shout, that will develop (either poisitively or negatively) over an extended period of time. Not 15 games.

[JohnnySic]

If he couldn't handle the pressure from Chalmers/Cole, Rondo and Bradley are gonna kill this boy come March 4th...

[IamRAMBO24]

That is just stat padding then.

If you actually watch how Lin plays, it is hard not to say he has potential. He shows signs of potential in the intangibles not measured by stats in the way he plays.

The guy already looks like Nash in the way he commands the team (the one without Melo) and even though he was shoot first guard in college, he is a great passer and unselfish ball handler.

When they were playing against the Heat, the guy I feared the most was Battier. I knew how he played and I knew he was out for Lin because that was what he did for the Rockets. I was right; the guy not only kept his man in check but he was closing in on Lin's passing and driving game. His intangibles cannot be measure by stats alone but he is prob the reason why the Heat is playing the perimeter D they are playing this year.

When stats start measuring leadership, chemistry, IQ, energy and motivation, then I will use a full season's sample to size up a player.

As is, stats cannot be a true measure of a players worth and potential.

[ILLsmak]

It's not that it's unfair, it's just strange they would give so much attention to a D-leaguer especially when there is Amar'e and Carmelo :rolleyes:

It worked... lol

-Smak

[Yanch856]

Jeez you guys get your knickers in a twist (haha pun intended).

To use the word "Destined" on Lin is oxymoronic.

I mean - he just defied his "destined" D-league/Euroleague/CBA career and scored 38 points on Kobe Bryant's Lakers a week ago. The argument that his game is flawed, you can prepare for him, he's a career back up PG at best, he's a 2 guard in a 1's body, he's in between positions bla-bla-I've-heard-it-all-before was probably recycled by 300 or so Division I schools, all NBA scouts, all GMs, all NBA teams which didn't draft him, Golden States, and Houston. Maybe he just got lucky, and his skills aren't reflective of his "Most points scored in first 4 career starts in History of the NBA since the merger", but to use the word "destined" for anything about Jeremy Lin right now so... I don't know, defeatist? Come on man, if JLin had this attitude he'd never achieve anything in life. I wouldn't use the word "Realist" either about JLin right now because, let's face it, this whole thing is linsane.

[deion2123]

good defense + missing shots that he was making in past games..he needs to master that runner in the lane

[HurricaneKid]

More problematic to me than the 1-11 was that he was unable to get the ball through the backcourt and start the offense. Teams are going to put a LOT of pressure on him in coming months and I don't know if he is going to be able to handle it. He had TO probs at Harvard (Asst:TO Ratio =Fr 1.0, Soph 1.29, Jr 1.13, Sr 1.45) where there was almost no competition and hasn't had the handle to fly past these challenges like every other PG in the league can do. Until last night he had been pretty outstanding offensively. But this is a new obstacle that could become a real problem.

[ThatsGame]

I can't believe people are actually questioning why the Heat would play him hard when they beat the Knicks by double figures doing it.

The point is to win, LOL

[Bob Cousy]

I can't believe people are actually questioning why the Heat would play him hard when they beat the Knicks by double figures doing it.

The point is to win, LOL
I was dying lol.

people were actually getting pissed that they were doubling him. So pathetic its sickening.

Miami was just supposed to roll out red carpet and allow Lin to do as he pleased because he's "the story".:roll:

[IamRAMBO24]

More problematic to me than the 1-11 was that he was unable to get the ball through the backcourt and start the offense. Teams are going to put a LOT of pressure on him in coming months and I don't know if he is going to be able to handle it. He had TO probs at Harvard (Asst:TO Ratio =Fr 1.0, Soph 1.29, Jr 1.13, Sr 1.45) where there was almost no competition and hasn't had the handle to fly past these challenges like every other PG in the league can do. Until last night he had been pretty outstanding offensively. But this is a new obstacle that could become a real problem.

It is a defensive trap even Rose had problems with.

Lin needs to study Stockton under the same pressure. When Stockton was getting double bringing the ball up, he quickly passes to another quick ball handler. The D then runs back to guard the other man and Stockton would run inside without the ball, a screen would be set on his D, and he curls back outside with enough space to get the ball back from his teammate at the top of the key.

Stockton is now well position with enough space to execute his play. And if another double comes, his guards are well position to shoot an open 3.

When Lin brought the ball up and they double, he tried to dribble his way out of it, and they would force him to move left, which he's not good at, and he ended up turning the ball over. When he did finally pass, he passed it to a big man at the top of the key (worst thing to do) and the play stops since the big man could not score nor pass that high at the perimeter.

D'antonio should of played both Baron and Lin on the floor. When the double came, he could pass it to Baron immediately, free himself up without the ball, and get the ball back. He tried too hard to beat the double with his dribble, but he could not go left nor could he split the defense and if the defense is crippling him, Baron could step up and run the plays.

I think this is a failure in coaching more than anything.

I'm not too worried, he has the rest of his career to work on that left dribble.

[unbreakable]

he was scared for some reason. idk. also looked slower so this break should help his legs alot.

[Droid101]

I think this is a failure in coaching more than anything.

Bingo. D'antoni needs to realize that he's not coaching Steve Nash who COULD dribble out of those.

He needs to tell Melo or Amar'e to be the one at the top of the key, not Chandler or Jeffries. And he needs to teach Fields or whoever else how to help relieve the pressure on Lin by doing what you suggested.

[Sarcastic]

It is a defensive trap even Rose had problems with.

Lin needs to study Stockton under the same pressure. When Stockton was getting double bringing the ball up, he quickly passes to another quick ball handler. The D then runs back to guard the other man and Stockton would run inside without the ball, a screen would be set on his D, and he curls back outside with enough space to get the ball back from his teammate at the top of the key.

Stockton is now well position with enough space to execute his play. And if another double comes, his guards are well position to shoot an open 3.

When Lin brought the ball up and they double, he tried to dribble his way out of it, and they would force him to move left, which he's not good at, and he ended up turning the ball over. When he did finally pass, he passed it to a big man at the top of the key (worst thing to do) and the play stops since the big man could not score nor pass that high at the perimeter.

D'antonio should of played both Baron and Lin on the floor. When the double came, he could pass it to Baron immediately, free himself up without the ball, and get the ball back. He tried too hard to beat the double with his dribble, but he could not go left nor could he split the defense and if the defense is crippling him, Baron could step up and run the plays.

I think this is a failure in coaching more than anything.

I'm not too worried, he has the rest of his career to work on that left dribble.

He can't play Baron and Lin at the same time, or else he has to play Douglas at back up PG, in which case he might as well forfeit.

He needs to have JR Smith with Lin, who can dribble much better than Landry Fields. When Shumpert comes back, he should get more time in the backcourt with Lin too. Landry should be moved to back up SF.

[IamRAMBO24]

he was scared for some reason. idk. also looked slower so this break should help his legs alot.

He was scared the first 2 minutes. He had a couple of easy shots he did not take. Around 3-5 minutes, after a couple of slick passes, he gained confidence and took his shot.

He made one great shot.

Then, if you were watching the game like I did, the Heat posterized him with some ghetto jungle ball straight out of the bad boys Pistons playbook.

No fouls were called when Lin was getting multilated. That ruined his confidence and it wasn't until the 2nd quarter when calls were going his way, he played a more relaxed game but it was already too late.

But I'm not making excuses. Even though the refs should of called a couple of easy ones, Lin still needs to man up and take it harder at them. Get a technical, throw some elbows, smack Lebron in the back of the head, scratch an eye out DO SOMETHING!

He curled up and wet in his pants.

[smoothj]

He was basically swarmed

They planned for him and attacked him before he could set up.

Second time around he will be better prepared after watching tape. he will have to alter how he handles the ball and use different tactics.

Just needs to make some adjustments to the pressure and speed.

Just making rookie mistakes

[SpecialQue]

he was scared for some reason. idk. also looked slower so this break should help his legs alot.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/02/24/238102-jeremy-lin-and-lebron-shake-hands.jpg

[unbreakable]

He was scared the first 2 minutes. He had a couple of easy shots he did not take. Around 3-5 minutes, after a couple of slick passes, he gained confidence and took his shot.

He made one great shot.

Then, if you were watching the game like I did, the Heat posterized him with some ghetto jungle ball straight out of the bad boys Pistons playbook.

No fouls were called when Lin was getting multilated. That ruined his confidence and it wasn't until the 2nd quarter when calls were going his way, he played a more relaxed game but it was already too late.

But I'm not making excuses. Even though the refs should of called a couple of easy ones, Lin still needs to man up and take it harder at them. Get a technical, throw some elbows, smack Lebron in the back of the head, scratch an eye out DO SOMETHING!

He curled up and wet in his pants.

i agree. he was getting mauled from chalmers n the heat defense.. i saw atleast 5 no calls in the 1st quarter:violin:

[HurricaneKid]

It is a defensive trap even Rose had problems with.

Lin needs to study Stockton under the same pressure. When Stockton was getting double bringing the ball up, he quickly passes to another quick ball handler. The D then runs back to guard the other man and Stockton would run inside without the ball, a screen would be set on his D, and he curls back outside with enough space to get the ball back from his teammate at the top of the key.

Stockton is now well position with enough space to execute his play. And if another double comes, his guards are well position to shoot an open 3.

When Lin brought the ball up and they double, he tried to dribble his way out of it, and they would force him to move left, which he's not good at, and he ended up turning the ball over. When he did finally pass, he passed it to a big man at the top of the key (worst thing to do) and the play stops since the big man could not score nor pass that high at the perimeter.

D'antonio should of played both Baron and Lin on the floor. When the double came, he could pass it to Baron immediately, free himself up without the ball, and get the ball back. He tried too hard to beat the double with his dribble, but he could not go left nor could he split the defense and if the defense is crippling him, Baron could step up and run the plays.

I think this is a failure in coaching more than anything.

I'm not too worried, he has the rest of his career to work on that left dribble.

The traps are a separate issue from the significant full court pressure that led to several open court steals and baskets.

I have been saying for a while that pushing him left and trapping him is going to give him difficulties; but at least that is something that can be worked around through coaching and can be minimized.

However, not being able to handle aggressive defensive pressure is a real issue.

[ThatsGame]

i agree. he was getting mauled from chalmers n the heat defense.. i saw atleast 5 no calls in the 1st quarter:violin:

You kidding? The Knicks had everything called. Thats why the Heat had like triple the fouls on them at one point. Lin could just run into the player defending him and he would get a call.

[IamRAMBO24]

He was basically swarmed

They planned for him and attacked him before he could set up.

Second time around he will be better prepared after watching tape. he will have to alter how he handles the ball and use different tactics.

Just needs to make some adjustments to the pressure and speed.

Just making rookie mistakes

That was the best defense I have ever seen played against a guard.

He couldn't dribble because a double would come from his right and pressure him to his left.

He couldn't pass because every player would space their man to play the passing lane.

He couldn't drive because the defense will have one man waiting under the rim for an easy charge and a help defender ready to block once he beat his man on the dribble.

Forget about the screens, the Heat was cutting through them like they were taking a nice easy stroll down the park, and even if a big man rolled to the basket, someone would be there to intercept the pass.

Only Jordan's fade away or Magic (who uses his size to back down at the perimeter) could stop that defensive set.

That D was designed to stop great ballhandlers and passers (I think the Pistons wrote the playbook to find a way to stop Stockton).

It also opened the paint and, again, D'antonio failed to capitilize on that.

[Lebron23]

Give some credit to the Heat's defense. Lin wouldn't be an effective player if the NBA brings back the hand checking.

[IamRAMBO24]

You kidding? The Knicks had everything called. Thats why the Heat had like triple the fouls on them at one point. Lin could just run into the player defending him and he would get a call.

Don't matter.

When the refs are not calling the fouls on the D that played the key player, then they are still affecting the game by allowing them to beat him up.

When they should of called the fouls, they didn't; they only started calling the fouls for Lin when he pretty much lost all confidence in scoring, passing, ball handling, etc.

I saw that spark of confidence when he made 5 great passes to start off (3 easy ones Amare and Melo blew) and that great drive to the basket.

After that, it turn from NBA2K to NBA JAM. Lin was posterized; that was the first time I saw him yell out in anger.

That moment was key to the whole game. Had the refs NOT blew some easy calls and allow Lin to play, the defense would loosen up and he would of had enough space to play his game.

I don't know how a defense that aggressive can get away with everything they did on him in the first half.

Sure the Heat were called for a good amount of fouls, but they also ignore some easy ones that could of change the way the best player played.

[I<3NBA]

hungover from too much groupie sex. had no energy left for game /thread

[ThatsGame]

Don't matter.

When the refs are not calling the fouls on the D that played the key player, then they are still affecting the game by allowing them to beat him up.

When they should of called the fouls, they didn't; they only started calling the fouls for Lin when he pretty much lost all confidence in scoring, passing, ball handling, etc.

I saw that spark of confidence when he made 5 great passes to start off (3 easy ones Amare and Melo blew) and that great drive to the basket.

After that, it turn from NBA2K to NBA JAM. Lin was posterized; that was the first time I saw him yell out in anger.

That moment was key to the whole game. Had the refs NOT blew some easy calls and allow Lin to play, the defense would loosen up and he would of had enough space to play his game.

I don't know how a defense that aggressive can get away with everything they did on him in the first half.

Sure the Heat were called for a good amount of fouls, but they also ignore some easy ones that could of change the way the best player played.

Come on, the Heat are the best at drawing fouls and the Knicks ended up with more free throws and 7 less fouls on them. Don't even try with this excuse.

[Johnni Gade]

Its over

[Yanch856]

Its over

:lol

[IamRAMBO24]

The traps are a separate issue from the significant full court pressure that led to several open court steals and baskets.



I don't think we should seperate trap and full court pressure in this case; the guy was literally trapped when the ball was in his hands.

It wasn't even a 2 man trap, it was a 4 man trap. Every Heat player was gonna box him to stop every pass, every drive, every shot, etc.

They didn't just want to stop him; they wanted to OBLITERATE HIM!.

[Tenchi Ryu]

You kidding? The Knicks had everything called. Thats why the Heat had like triple the fouls on them at one point. Lin could just run into the player defending him and he would get a call.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
This gets annoying from you, seriously. Give credit where its due and stop always blaming the Refs. Knicks had a spurt where they were hot and seemed they could pull back into the game. That had nothing to do with Refs, it was their 3 point shooters trying to keep them alive.

[Tenchi Ryu]

It is a defensive trap even Rose had problems with.

Which is a testament to how well Rose is adjusting and maturing against this heat team. You can tell he's studied the way they guard him, cause during the game a few weeks ago, when Miami tried to use the same tactics as the ECFs, Rose had a MUCH easier time getting around the defense and around the lane. Once he penetrated that 3 point line, he pretty much had milk and cookies waiting for him.

The fact he even scored 34 against Lebron's 35, with that defense proves how great he is.

[IamRAMBO24]

Come on, the Heat are the best at drawing fouls and the Knicks ended up with more free throws and 7 less fouls on them. Don't even try with this excuse.

I guess you must've missed the part where the Heat decided to play jungle ball.

They called some stupid ass fouls going the Knicks way, sure, but when it did matter, they didn't.

So yes, I'm going to call that out. Some of the second half fouls they called for Lin was just stupid. It's like they knew they screwed up in the first half they were trying to make it up later on.

Some calls should of been made when the Heat decided to be a bunch of thugs.

Go back and watch the game.

[ThatsGame]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
This gets annoying from you, seriously. Give credit where its due and stop always blaming the Refs. Knicks had a spurt where they were hot and seemed they could pull back into the game. That had nothing to do with Refs, it was their 3 point shooters trying to keep them alive.

If you cant discuss every aspect of the game including refs, then ignore me. I don't care what you think I think the reason is the Knicks got back in the game, because I never mentioned that anywhere. I said before and during the game that the 3 ball would be the Knicks saving grace. But that isn't what is being talked about right now.

Losers are trying to come in here and say the refs were unfair on the Knicks and the refs should have called more fouls on the Heat, when the Knicks already had more free throws and fouls called for them, which is unusual against a team that is very, very good at getting to the line.

[ThatsGame]

I guess you must've missed the part where the Heat decided to play jungle ball.

They called some stupid ass fouls going the Knicks way, sure, but when it did matter, they didn't.

So yes, I'm going to call that out. Some of the second half fouls they called for Lin was just stupid. It's like they knew they screwed up in the first half they were trying to make it up later on.

Some calls should of been made when the Heat decided to be a bunch of thugs.

Go back and watch the game.

You should go back and watch the game.

[SleepyCorpse]

Lin's offensive skillset wasn't versatile enough to deal with Miami's D. I was curious to see what Lin would do if he couldn't get to the basket. He couldn't take his defender off the dribble and go for a pull-up jumper or step-back like CP3. He couldn't use a floater or push-shot (DRose style) either. It's ok though, he can get better, but he's definitely lacking some skills.

:applause: watching the game i was thinking he needs a floater badly.

[GOBB]

You should go back and watch the game.

He should stop posting He's terrible.

[Tenchi Ryu]

:applause: watching the game i was thinking he needs a floater badly.
Yea me too, a Floater would have helped him get pass Chalmbers and Cole with ease cause of their height. Once gets better at it, even Lebron can't stop a well placed floater, probably the next hardest shot to stop after the fadeaway.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Can someone explain how or why Wilt shot 1-11 from the FT line in game 7 of the Finals?

[IamRAMBO24]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
This gets annoying from you, seriously. Give credit where its due and stop always blaming the Refs. Knicks had a spurt where they were hot and seemed they could pull back into the game. That had nothing to do with Refs, it was their 3 point shooters trying to keep them alive.

I am giving credit to the Heat. That was prob the best defensive and offensive performance I have seen from them: the big 3 were unstoppable and Cole and Chalmers did things on defense that would win them a slot on first defensive team.

All I'm saying is the Heat was prepping this game like Kobe in a hotel in Colorado: they knew what they wanted to do and was dead set in posterizing the ****** in Lin.

They were slapping, bumping, and pretty much went jungle on his ass. All I'm saying is the refs should of done their jobs and call the fouls in those crucial first half moments like they would in any other game.

It is the inconsistency that I can't swallow: they were calling lame fouls on the Heat in the 2nd half but ignored the more obvious ones in the first half.

Go back and look at the game thread and see for yourself how many posts that said the refs were giving the calls to the Heat early in the game.

I'm not alone in this. We were watching it live and it was clear the refs dropped the ball when it came to the ghetto defense on Lin first half.

I'm not saying that is a game changer because the Heat was simply too much for the Knicks; I'm just being real and calling it like how I see it.

[IamRAMBO24]

No one is blaming the refs for the lost. It's just when I can easily see an obvious foul and these guys are getting paid to look for it, then something is wrong.

Refs should be held accountable just like everybody else.

[IamRAMBO24]

If you cant discuss every aspect of the game including refs, then ignore me. I don't care what you think I think the reason is the Knicks got back in the game, because I never mentioned that anywhere. I said before and during the game that the 3 ball would be the Knicks saving grace. But that isn't what is being talked about right now.

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This shows how little you know about basketball. The Heat was playing the passing lane and perimeter, so shooting 3s wouldn't have won the game either.

I said before the game, Chandler needed to be POG if they wanted to win this because the inside basket was left wide open; he would of dunked it everytime the ball was in his hands. Amare should of had more touches because he was the only one that was exploiting this weakness on the offensive end.

Melo was just stupid for settling for fade away jumpers.

[Reverend Hoops]

That's what happens when you get quadruple team everytime you touched the ball.

So Amare and Melo were wide open? :roll:

[ThatsGame]

This shows how little you know about basketball. The Heat was playing the passing lane and perimeter, so shooting 3s wouldn't have won the game either.

I said before the game, Chandler needed to be POG if they wanted to win this because the inside basket was left wide open; he would of dunked it everytime the ball was in his hands. Amare should of had more touches because he was the only one that was exploiting this weakness on the offensive end.

Melo was just stupid for settling for fade away jumpers.

This just shows how little you know about the Heat. Just stop posting.

[IamRAMBO24]

This just shows how little you know about the Heat. Just stop posting.

Were you watching the game? They had easy baskets under the rim when a pass was made to a big under there. The Heat took out the perimeter, passing, and driving game.

They gamble with the inside game.

Even Novak had a hand in his face when he was making those 3s. There would of been no way they could of won it chucking up from long distance.

[Dictator]

Don't matter.

When the refs are not calling the fouls on the D that played the key player, then they are still affecting the game by allowing them to beat him up.

When they should of called the fouls, they didn't; they only started calling the fouls for Lin when he pretty much lost all confidence in scoring, passing, ball handling, etc.

I saw that spark of confidence when he made 5 great passes to start off (3 easy ones Amare and Melo blew) and that great drive to the basket.

After that, it turn from NBA2K to NBA JAM. Lin was posterized; that was the first time I saw him yell out in anger.

That moment was key to the whole game. Had the refs NOT blew some easy calls and allow Lin to play, the defense would loosen up and he would of had enough space to play his game.

I don't know how a defense that aggressive can get away with everything they did on him in the first half.

Sure the Heat were called for a good amount of fouls, but they also ignore some easy ones that could of change the way the best player played.

:oldlol: You guys are ridiculous.........

[deion2123]

Lin not exposed at all...he missed the same shots he was making a few games ago...he had a few shots that were in and out..and missed some easy shots in the lane..he will put up over 20 pts next game on good shooting

[Loneshot]

I don't agree he missed the shots he usually makes as the Heat defense was so good that he couldn't even get an open shot. From the gate Lin looked terribly shook. I hope he grows from this though

[redrich2000]

Shock horror: guy in his 12th game gts smothered along with the rest of his team by the best defense in the league. Would have been far more surprising if anything else had happened.

[DUP]

exposed sadly