Anthony Parker: Euroleague God/Role Player in the NBA

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why didn't he dominate and win MVPS the same way he did for Euroleague?

[kNIOKAS]

Why didn't NBA MVP do shit in the second league of Europe?

[Rooster]

Why didn't NBA MVP do shit in the second league of Europe?

that was a zombie for AI.

When we had a good player in his prime, he broke the scoring record and the team retired his jersey after 1 month.

Anthony Parker became a role player months after he won the Euroleague MVP.

That is the difference.

[fatboy11]

Why didn't NBA MVP do shit in the second league of Europe?

Probably for the same reason why he can't really get a job playing in any major basketball league.

He's broken down.

Also broke, but that's irrelevant.

[DukeDelonte13]

cause the euroleague is nowhere near the NBA in terms of talent pool

[swi7ch]

Candace Parker > Anthony Parker

[LAClipsFan33]

Candace Parker > Anthony Parker

This.

[Euroleague]

that was a zombie for AI.

When we had a good player in his prime, he broke the scoring record and the team retired his jersey after 1 month.

Anthony Parker became a role player months after he won the Euroleague MVP.

That is the difference.

Deron Williams NEVER played a Euroleague game in his life.

Anthony Parker won Euroleague MVP averaging 15 points a game. The next season he averaged 15 points a game in the NBA playoffs.

You are a LIAR.

[Fiba basketball]

I feel sorry for you Nba only fans because you are missing great basketball . I think Euroleague is better than Nba but that doesnt stop me from watching some Nba games . When I watch players playing great or doing a great move I never think aboute the league they play ( but when I wach Nba I do compare rules ) , I just admire the things I seen on the court . So what if Rose , Lebron , Kobe or Durant did some great move that would be travelling in Europe , they dont play there and its still a good move . The fans that only watch Nba , think good basketball is played only in Nba and that othere leagues are very bad dont know nothing aboute basketball .

[Euroleague]

I feel sorry for you Nba only fans because you are missing great basketball . I think Euroleague is better than Nba but that doesn't stop me from watching some Nba games . When I watch players playing great or doing a great move I never think about the league they play ( but when I watch Nba I do compare rules ) , I just admire the things I seen on the court . So what if Rose , Lebron , Kobe or Durant did some great move that would be traveling in Europe , they don't play there and its still a good move . The fans that only watch Nba , think good basketball is played only in Nba and that other leagues are very bad don't know nothing about basketball .

Don't feel sorry for the NBA only fans my friend. They are NOT real basketball fans. They are just that - NBA ONLY fans. They know NOTHING about basketball and they are a blight on the sport and its real fans everywhere.

[FireMcFailPlease]

its easy to be mvp when youre against a bunch of nobody scrubs who'll get their asses kicked by americans come olympic time. even though theyve been playing together for years and team u.s.a. will have a few weeks practice. itll be comical.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Prime Anthony Parker wouldn't even be the best player in college basketball, yet he was a Euroleague MVP.

:applause:

[SilkkTheShocker]

its easy to be mvp when youre against a bunch of nobody scrubs who'll get their asses kicked by americans come olympic time. even though theyve been playing together for years and team u.s.a. will have a few weeks practice. itll be comical.

Haha exactly. Didn't the US just wipe the floor with that overseas talent a few years ago? Our C-team of Igoudala, Odom, and Gay was too much for them :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

its easy to be mvp when youre against a bunch of nobody scrubs who'll get their asses kicked by americans come olympic time. even though theyve been playing together for years and team u.s.a. will have a few weeks practice. itll be comical.

That's freaking hilarious since,

1. Team USA has a longer prep time every summer than most other national teams and,

2. Team USA has NEVER faced a Team Europe (which is what you FALSELY imply by linking it to the Euroleague).

3. Team USA's core has been one of the longest tenured groups of all national teams in the WORLD, with core players being there since 2004/2006, and this according to you is "a few weeks".

4. Many other national teams switch out 5-8/9 players a tournament, and this you claim is "being together for years".

Yeah, you are nothing but a liar.

[Euroleague]

Haha exactly. Didn't the US just wipe the floor with that overseas talent a few years ago?

USA has never once beaten Europe. They have won and lost to single countries from Europe. The Euroleague is comprised of top players from EUROPE, not single countries.

Team USA would get demolished against an actual European wide team.

[SilkkTheShocker]

USA has never once beaten Europe. They have won and lost to single countries from Europe. The Euroleague is comprised of top players from EUROPE, not single countries.

Team USA would get demolished against an actual European wide team.



Ok, if you say so :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[unbreakable]

Ok, if you say so :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

usa with a GOAT lineup almost lost to spain :hammerhead:

[BlueCrayon]

Euroleague just wondering, do you like anything associated with the NBA?

[Timmy D for MVP]

Some guys can't translate. They're two different games.

Now no doubt if you had a mass migration you'd be safe betting that more NBA players will translate than coming back the other way. Much as Euroleague likes to poo poo this notion, the NBA is the best collection of basketball talent in the world, bar none.

BUT you can't point to certain players as an example because it's just like coming out of college, some guys won't translate, different ga,e

[SilkkTheShocker]

usa with a GOAT lineup almost lost to spain :hammerhead:

Do they keep a stat for almost winning now? What site can I find the almost winning pct. of olympic teams against the U.S.? Which country do you think has the highest almost winning pct. against the U.S.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague just wondering, do you like anything associated with the NBA?

Yes. I like certain players of course. I used to really love the NBA from the 80s to mid 90s era.

The NBA of today though is really hard to like. With the rigged games EVERY year, endless "superstar" calls to so many players, endless trash gimmicks and marketing, the racism it clearly shows, the constant attacks on all the other basketball leagues, like always bashing European basketball...........

ridiculous rules, etc.

The NBA was once great, but it has turned into something that is pretty damn embarrassing.

[Euroleague]

Do they keep a stat for almost winning now? What site can I find the almost winning pct. of olympic teams against the U.S.? Which country do you think has the highest almost winning pct. against the U.S.

Go ahead and find the site where it lists the box scores of when Team USA ever beat Team Europe. Good luck.

[Unstop]

haha;)
@euroleague: dude ur a big hater, but sometimes u say true words...
...
anyway... nba is the strongest league in the world and of course more talented.(no doubt)
but european basketball is not that bad.
i mean seriously... a lot of u guys dont know anything about basketball in other countries. u shouldnt talk if u have no idea.
and in fact. a lot of europeans think americans are ignorant. i guess americans are famous for ignorance in the world.
maybe because of ur kardashian reality show? judging people in tv shows... come on, get real. they show u some scenes and u think u know everything about em :lol

[d21221hk]

Go ahead and find the site where it lists the box scores of when Team USA ever beat Team Europe. Good luck.
That's like saying go ahead and find the site that lists the box scores of Michael Jordan ever beating Ricky Rubio. :lol

[NattyPButter]

This thread was about AP now its another subject.

[Da KO King]

Can you people please stop acting like idiots?

Anthony Parker won the Euroleage MVP because its such a narrow pool of players/games. The Euroleague is a collection of teams from multiple leagues through Europe.

Saying that Europe or the Euroleage sucks because Anthony Parker won and is an average at best NBA player is just as stupid as saying the NCAA or the ACC sucks because Sean May won Most Outstanding Player for the NCAA Tournament (2005) and he stunk in the NBA.

[Droid101]

Saying that Europe or the Euroleage sucks because Anthony Parker won and is an average at best NBA player is just as stupid as saying the NCAA or the ACC sucks because Sean May won Most Outstanding Player for the NCAA Tournament (2005) and he stunk in the NBA.
NCAA and ACC DO suck compared to the NBA. :roll:

[Heavincent]

Don't feel sorry for the NBA only fans my friend. They are NOT real basketball fans. They are just that - NBA ONLY fans. They know NOTHING about basketball and they are a blight on the sport and its real fans everywhere.

Why would I watch a league that is far inferior to the NBA in terms of talent?

[TheMan]

Do they keep a stat for almost winning now? What site can I find the almost winning pct. of olympic teams against the U.S.? Which country do you think has the highest almost winning pct. against the U.S.
Silk, me and you have had our differences in the past and prolly will again in the future but I agree 100% with you on this one.

NBA>>>>>Euro(trash)league.

I've seen some of their games and it's good if you want to fall asleep next time you have trouble sleeping:sleeping

[Heavincent]

Team USA would get demolished against an actual European wide team.

http://files.shroomery.org/files/10-24/701235539-implied-facepalm.jpg

[Timmy D for MVP]

USA has never once beaten Europe. They have won and lost to single countries from Europe. The Euroleague is comprised of top players from EUROPE, not single countries.

Team USA would get demolished against an actual European wide team.

This is a stupid post. It's not U.S.A. v Europe. It's the NBA v. European leagues.

So if you want to amend your statement to an NBA wide team would get demolished then you can.... and then we'll all laugh at you.

[bwink23]

Ok, if you say so :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


He has an excellent point there. A team of ALL Europe would be more comparable to United States team.

[bwink23]

Do they keep a stat for almost winning now? What site can I find the almost winning pct. of olympic teams against the U.S.? Which country do you think has the highest almost winning pct. against the U.S.


The point was, they almost lost to SPAIN. How big is Spain compared to the US ???

Spain = 46 million people
U.S. = 305 million people.

That's not an entirely comparable pool of talent to use. :facepalm

[BankShot]

He has an excellent point there. A team of ALL Europe would be more comparable to United States team.

Calderon
Rubio
Batum
Dirk
Gasol

[jbryan1984]

You know I love AP but he is nothing more than a 3 point shooter, Euroleague is a completely different style.

[Timmy D for MVP]

The point was, they almost lost to SPAIN. How big is Spain compared to the US ???

Spain = 46 million people
U.S. = 305 million people.

That's not an entirely comparable pool of talent to use. :facepalm

:wtf:

I don't get that argument at all. Yeah and Spain shits on the U.S. in soccer. What does the total population of the country have to do with it's ability in specific sports? You should look at the population of the particular sport community in said country, good luck finding that stat. I mean if you're comparing like the Vatican City or some shit fine... but no... just no.

[bwink23]

Calderon
Rubio
Batum
Dirk
Gasol


Spain had Rudy Fernandez and Luis Scola when they almost handed Team U.S.A. their ass, and a 17-year old Rubio. I believe Marc Gasol as well. Throw Pau in there too. Spain alone has a formidable team....Now take the best from the next best countries like Dirk from Germany and lump them together.

[BankShot]

Spain had Rudy Fernandez and Luis Scola when they almost handed Team U.S.A. their ass, and a 17-year old Rubio. I believe Marc Gasol as well. Throw Pau in there too. Spain alone has a formidable team....Now take the best from the next best countries like Dirk from Germany and lump them together.

Scola plays/played for Argentina with Ginobli

[Timmy D for MVP]

Spain had Rudy Fernandez and Luis Scola when they almost handed Team U.S.A. their ass, and a 17-year old Rubio. I believe Marc Gasol as well. Throw Pau in there too. Spain alone has a formidable team....Now take the best from the next best countries like Dirk from Germany and lump them together.

Scola the Argentinian player played for Spain?

Interesting.

[bwink23]

:wtf:

I don't get that argument at all. Yeah and Spain shits on the U.S. in soccer. What does the total population of the country have to do with it's ability in specific sports? You should look at the population of the particular sport community in said country, good luck finding that stat. I mean if you're comparing like the Vatican City or some shit fine... but no... just no.


Yes.....just Yes....it's a GENETIC gene pool....it's like Class sports based on population....more people = more breeding of the finer athletes.

What are your chances of pulling out superior athletes out of 46 million people as opposed to 305 million?? :hammerhead:

That's like the NBA just drafting players from the West Coast.....not even close.

[King1991nba]

Euroleague is boring... Only couple of teams are playing for the fans (Real Madrid and Maccabi, maybe CSKA)... everything else is boring as shit, trust me... I'm watching NBA and Euroleague so I can compare...

[bwink23]

Scola plays/played for Argentina with Ginobli

OK maybe i was wrong but that doesnt' take away from what Spain did or what could happen by combining the best players in Europe.....which is the point Euroleague was making..


Saying "Euroleague sucks" is a generalized term saying that all of Europe sucks....United States has the best talent, but we were beating smaller countries.

[LBJMVP]

didnt most of best players take a break from that some world tourament like two years ago and we still won with our second team?

you could probly take an all europe team and put them against any nba team and we'd probly win.

[bwink23]

didnt most of best players take a break from that some world tourament like two years ago and we still won with our second team?


And we almost lost with our first team....so what's your point?

[Timmy D for MVP]

Yes.....just Yes....it's a GENETIC gene pool....it's like Class sports based on population....more people = more breeding of the finer athletes.

What are your chances of pulling out superior athletes out of 46 million people as opposed to 305 million?? :hammerhead:

That's like the NBA just drafting players from the West Coast.....not even close.

:oldlol:

But it doesn't matter if say 90% of those potential athletes are focusing on a different sport. Then your numbers are entirely different.

I understand what you're trying to say, but it's all about the population of people playing said sport.

That said at the end of the day it doesn't matter at all what that population is, it's all about results.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Silk, me and you have had our differences in the past and prolly will again in the future but I agree 100% with you on this one.

NBA>>>>>Euro(trash)league.

I've seen some of their games and it's good if you want to fall asleep next time you have trouble sleeping:sleeping

:cheers: all good man

And I agree, if im ever having trouble sleeping, im going to start watching Euroleague highlights on youtube :oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

USA would beat all of Europe's best players. Might be close but we'd win

[bwink23]

:oldlol:

But it doesn't matter if say 90% of those potential athletes are focusing on a different sport. Then your numbers are entirely different.

I understand what you're trying to say, but it's all about the population of people playing said sport.

That said at the end of the day it doesn't matter at all what that population is, it's all about results.


you don't think Spain plays basketball?? 46 million people....NBA players Marc and Pau Gasol, Ricky Rubio, Rudy Fernandez and others i'm probably missing....give them 260 million more people and that number would increase.

[bwink23]

Point being....you can match the best 3 to 4 countries to the U.S. by population (Lithuania, Spain, Germany, Croatia) pull their best players, put them on one team and they could challenge the U.S.

[Timmy D for MVP]

you don't think Spain plays basketball?? 46 million people....NBA players Marc and Pau Gasol, Ricky Rubio, Rudy Fernandez and others i'm probably missing....give them 260 million more people and that number would increase.

You are entirely missing my point. I'm not even sure how to explain it in another way.

Total population doesn't mean shit. It's all about population playing a particular sport.

So if you have 100 million people in two separate countries then by your logic it would mean both have an equal advantage in playing Sport A.

But if Country 1 plays Sport B and C and in fact thtey're more popular the numbers change. Let's say 80% of the population rather plays Sport B. Now Country 1 only has 20 million playing Sport A.

Country 2 invented sport A and they play it more than any other country. 70% of the population. Now they have a 70 million-20 million advantage.

Total population is not the factor.

[$LakerGold]

http://files.shroomery.org/files/10-24/701235539-implied-facepalm.jpg
:cheers::oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Pushxx]

Anthony Parker was a great player alongside LeBron. Shot a great % and had good shot selection.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Anthony Parker was a great player alongside LeBron. Shot a great % and had good shot selection.

Im not saying he a bad player. But I think it says something when a guy wins a Euroleague MVP and than becomes a role player over in the NBA.

[ILLsmak]

Im not saying he a bad player. But I think it says something when a guy wins a Euroleague MVP and than becomes a role model over in the NBA.

Who was he a role model for?

-Smak

[bwink23]

You are entirely missing my point. I'm not even sure how to explain it in another way.

Total population doesn't mean shit. It's all about population playing a particular sport.

So if you have 100 million people in two separate countries then by your logic it would mean both have an equal advantage in playing Sport A.

But if Country 1 plays Sport B and C and in fact thtey're more popular the numbers change. Let's say 80% of the population rather plays Sport B. Now Country 1 only has 20 million playing Sport A.

Country 2 invented sport A and they play it more than any other country. 70% of the population. Now they have a 70 million-20 million advantage.

Total population is not the factor.


I believe your missing my point. In your mind, these countries aren't balling, and that's not the case. It's not their FIRST sport, but it's right up there....same as the NFL being more popular than basketball. And basketball here may not even be more popular than baseball. Your assuming the top countries in Europe doesn't give a crap or work on basketball in any way, which is NOT the case.

Population is a BIG factor. Spain is balling country, and their country is 7 times smaller than the United States....to say they couldn't produce more top notch ballers if they were our size, is IGNORANT. :no:

[Timmy D for MVP]

I believe your missing my point. In your mind, these countries aren't balling, and that's not the case. It's not their FIRST sport, but it's right up there....same as the NFL being more popular than basketball. And basketball here may not even be more popular than baseball. Your assuming the top countries in Europe doesn't give a crap or work on basketball in any way, which is NOT the case.

Population is a BIG factor. Spain is balling country, and their country is 7 times smaller than the United States....to say they couldn't produce more top notch ballers if they were our size, is IGNORANT. :no:

I'm not assuming shit except that you're statistical analysis is flawed.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Who was he a role model for?

-Smak

WTF are you talking about? Grown ups are talking. Go sit by the television and eat your Kid Cuisine tv dinner son

[bwink23]

I'm not assuming shit except that you're statistical analysis is flawed.


Your assuming that since basketball isn't Spain's first sport that being 7 times larger than they are now, doesn't mean they would produce more top tier ballplayers....

That is what your saying right??

[bwink23]

WTF are you talking about? Grown ups are talking. Go sit by the television and eat your Kid Cuisine tv dinner son


:roll: .....That's why you asked your Dad about Larry Bird ?? :rolleyes:

[SilkkTheShocker]

:roll: .....That's why you asked your Dad about Larry Bird ?? :rolleyes:

I was too young to see him play. He was retired for 2 or 3 years before I started watching and was old enough to understand the game more. What the problem with asking someone who did? Do you know how many high school kids post here and act like they saw Jordan or Hakeem play? I have watched his highlights and lot of his games, but I that doens't mean im not going to seek out the advice of some that got to see the man play with his own eyes.

[bwink23]

I was too young to see him play. He was retired for 2 or 3 years before I started watching and was old enough to understand the game more. What the problem with asking someone who did? Do you know how many high school kids post here and act like they saw Jordan or Hakeem play? I have watched his highlights and lot of his games, but I that doens't mean im not going to seek out the advice of some that got to see the man play with his own eyes.


If you watched alot his games and highlights...then why did you laugh about Bird being greater than Dirk?? That's common knowledge among men who are old enough to know what they are talking about. :confusedshrug:

[Knicks101]

It's a damn shame we never got to see Parker's prime. Out of all the players who wasted their careers in Europe, I'd say Parker is the best. Just ahead of Sabonis. Sometimes I wonder if he'll get into the Hall of Fame based on his Euroleague accomplishments. He definitely should be considered, I mean he won MVP twice over there. That's like winning four MVP's in the NBA. He should probably get in as a contributor for all he's done. Which is cool because we wouldn't have to wait 5 years to see him go in.

[bwink23]

I was too young to see him play. He was retired for 2 or 3 years before I started watching and was old enough to understand the game more. What the problem with asking someone who did? Do you know how many high school kids post here and act like they saw Jordan or Hakeem play? I have watched his highlights and lot of his games, but I that doens't mean im not going to seek out the advice of some that got to see the man play with his own eyes.


Your post gives me the impression that you believe European basketball is scrubby. That might be the case if your talking about the smaller leagues, but we have smaller leagues here as well.

U.S. population = 305 million

population of the top European teams in the Olympics combined (Spain, Argentina, Lithuania, Greece, Croatia, Germany=not good but threw them in there for Dirk). = 186 million.

As you can see, the U.S. is supremely larger than any team they faced in the Olympics. Now take the best players off of those teams and throw them on one team.

Spain by themselves more than challenged the U.S. The best from the teams combined would certainly give the U.S. all they could handle.

NBA players off those teams:

Ricky Rubio, Dirk Nowitzski, Marc and Pau Gasol, Luis Scola, Manu Ginobli, Rudy Fernandez, Raul Lopez, Andres Nocioni, Carlos Delfino.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If you watched alot his games and highlights...then why did you laugh about Bird being greater than Dirk?? That's common knowledge among men who are old enough to know what they are talking about. :confusedshrug:

Becuase Dirk is better. Replace Dirk with Bird, and the Mavs don't win the Finals in 2011.

[bwink23]

Becuase Dirk is better. Replace Dirk with Bird, and the Mavs don't win the Finals in 2011.


WHY do you think Dirk is better?? What does Dirk do that Larry Bird could not??

[Timmy D for MVP]

Your assuming that since basketball isn't Spain's first sport that being 7 times larger than they are now, doesn't mean they would produce more top tier ballplayers....

That is what your saying right??

No I'm saying that your logic is supremely flawed. Forget any real country, and real situation, just from a mathematical standpoint using total population makes no sense.

If you wanna get into THAT argument as it pertains to the thread then you need to argue Euroleague vs. NBA. Not Europe vs. U.S.A.

And again the best of the best in the NBA would roll.

[LBJMVP]

And we almost lost with our first team....so what's your point?


if our best players dont feel like playing we can still put together our second stringers and beat the world..

[LBJMVP]

It's a damn shame we never got to see Parker's prime. Out of all the players who wasted their careers in Europe, I'd say Parker is the best. Just ahead of Sabonis. Sometimes I wonder if he'll get into the Hall of Fame based on his Euroleague accomplishments. He definitely should be considered, I mean he won MVP twice over there. That's like winning four MVP's in the NBA. He should probably get in as a contributor for all he's done. Which is cool because we wouldn't have to wait 5 years to see him go in.


oh god, you killing me :roll: :roll: :roll:

lebron would have won every MVP in euroleague since he rookie season if he played over there.

[Fiba basketball]

Euroleague is boring... Only couple of teams are playing for the fans (Real Madrid and Maccabi, maybe CSKA)... everything else is boring as shit, trust me... I'm watching NBA and Euroleague so I can compare...
What do you think when you say playing for the fans . I watch Euroleague and Nba and I think Euroleague is better . I can only watch some Nba teams like Dallas , Chicago , Thunder . Everyone has different opinion , I think Nba is boring but you dont , I ll watch Euroleague and you ll watch Nba no need to argue aboute what league is more interesting

[La Frescobaldi]

oh god, you killing me :roll: :roll: :roll:

lebron would have won every MVP in euroleague since he rookie season if he played over there.

oh well throwing that name in his face is too much though.

LBJ, Kobe, Shaq... those are names to conjure with, they will easily compare with anyone who has ever played basketball, in my opinion

Please try to understand this fact tho: people of today totally bash my first days of watching hoops, which was the 60s. But yet I will always stand on the belief that if you had Havlicek, Sam Jones, Russell, Walt Frazier today they will excel at the highest levels. I watched those guys and their fame is well earned believe it. Nate Thurmond's post game will destroy guys like DeAndre Jordan or Joel Anthony, I mean just make em cry he was so good. It's not their fault they played when the league was still learning the game.

In the same way, those European teams are still learning the game.

You have to remember it was only since the Bird & Magic rivalry brought basketball to global fame, that other parts of the world have been seriously playing hoops. They will come up to standards in the personal skills level and really they have to a great extent already.

How many guys in the NBA? 800?

But yet probably 50 or 60 come from that Euro talent pool - which when you consider the fact they've been playing serious ball for only 25 or MAYBE 30 years... that is astounding really.

To me it's terrifically exciting to be seeing basketball now the #2 sport worldwide behind only soccer....... we used to drive 200 miles to watch Wilt Chamberlain & Chet Walker playing in front of 2000 fans every one of us diehard hoops morons...... now you can see a great game in freaking Australia probly

[bwink23]

No I'm saying that your logic is supremely flawed. Forget any real country, and real situation, just from a mathematical standpoint using total population makes no sense.

If you wanna get into THAT argument as it pertains to the thread then you need to argue Euroleague vs. NBA. Not Europe vs. U.S.A.

And again the best of the best in the NBA would roll.



Actually, it's a COMMON SENSE statement. If the Unites States only had the population of Spain, the number of quality players would most definately DECREASE. Spain is at a huge disadvantage in the genetic pool category due to being 7 times smaller than the U.S., as many of the countries we faced weren't even the size of New York City....now imagine us only being able to use New York City players. "Mecca of basketball" or not, the NBA would suffer big time with the lack of quality players.

You got to be the biggest moron alive to think country size has no bearing. Which BALLING country is gonna produce the best players, 300 million or 5 million??

[Nick Young]

Why didn't NBA MVP do shit in the second league of Europe?
Why did Deron Williams play for 3 months in the second league of europe, break the eurocup scoring record and get his number retired?:confusedshrug:

[Fiba basketball]

Why did Deron Williams play for 3 months in the second league of europe, break the eurocup scoring record and get his number retired?:confusedshrug:
He never played in eurocup

[Figlo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYy6hjOueao

[TheMan]

Your post gives me the impression that you believe European basketball is scrubby. That might be the case if your talking about the smaller leagues, but we have smaller leagues here as well.

U.S. population = 305 million

population of the top European teams in the Olympics combined (Spain, Argentina, Lithuania, Greece, Croatia, Germany=not good but threw them in there for Dirk). = 186 million.

As you can see, the U.S. is supremely larger than any team they faced in the Olympics. Now take the best players off of those teams and throw them on one team.

Spain by themselves more than challenged the U.S. The best from the teams combined would certainly give the U.S. all they could handle.

NBA players off those teams:

Ricky Rubio, Dirk Nowitzski, Marc and Pau Gasol, Luis Scola, Manu Ginobli, Rudy Fernandez, Raul Lopez, Andres Nocioni, Carlos Delfino.

Argentina is now in Europe?:facepalm
Manu, Scola and Nocioni are Argentines and Argentina is in South America, it borders with Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Bolivia and Paraguay:facepalm

[TheMan]

This overall population argument is crap, Uruguay only has about 3,250,000 people yet they almost made the World Cup Final over countries that dwarf them population wise.

Get outta here with that shit argument.

[Jon_Koncak]

I like how he conveniently forgot to add Russia in top europeans teams cause they have huge population.Besides even if we consider talent per capita Usa is ahead of anyone else.

[bwink23]

Let's face the facts kids.....we are much larger than any balling country we faced in teh Olympics. I guarantee Spain would be putting out more high-level competition if they were 7 times larger than they are now....that' just common sense. :facepalm

[LBJMVP]

Let's face the facts kids.....we are much larger than any balling country we faced in teh Olympics. I guarantee Spain would be putting out more high-level competition if they were 7 times larger than they are now....that' just common sense. :facepalm


well im sure if american athletes cared about soccer we would have the best team in the world. we have a bigger population than most countries right?
we will be right up there with likes of the chinese soccer team and india's soccer team :facepalm

[bwink23]

well im sure if american athletes cared about soccer we would have the best team in the world. we have a bigger population than most countries right?
we will be right up there with likes of the chinese soccer team and india's soccer team :facepalm


Spain plays basketball. It's a 2nd most popular sport in Spain, like basketball is in the United States.

They aren't some 3rd world country that doesn't know what a basketball looks like....:facepalm

[04mzwach]

Actually, it's a COMMON SENSE statement. If the Unites States only had the population of Spain, the number of quality players would most definately DECREASE. Spain is at a huge disadvantage in the genetic pool category due to being 7 times smaller than the U.S., as many of the countries we faced weren't even the size of New York City....now imagine us only being able to use New York City players. "Mecca of basketball" or not, the NBA would suffer big time with the lack of quality players.

You got to be the biggest moron alive to think country size has no bearing. Which BALLING country is gonna produce the best players, 300 million or 5 million??
Yes. I agree. That is why China Basketball is dominating every league in the world. :hammerhead:

[Jon_Koncak]

Let's face the facts kids.....we are much larger than any balling country we faced in teh Olympics. I guarantee Spain would be putting out more high-level competition if they were 7 times larger than they are now....that' just common sense. :facepalm

Spain's population 46 millions
USA's African Americans 42 millions

considering that 21/22 of players who represented Usa in two last major tournaments and went undefeated were african americans your argument is bogus.USA produces much more talent per capita than Spain and it's not even close.

[Euroleague]

Argentina is now in Europe?:facepalm
Manu, Scola and Nocioni are Argentines and Argentina is in South America, it borders with Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Bolivia and Paraguay:facepalm


They are Argentines of Italian descent. You have to be pretty stupid to not recognize some of the most common Italian names there.

[bwink23]

Spain's population 46 millions
USA's African Americans 42 millions

considering that 21/22 of players who represented Usa in two last major tournaments and went undefeated were african americans your argument is bogus.USA produces much more talent per capita than Spain and it's not even close.


Per capita is irrelevant. If Spain were 7 times bigger, they would be producing more high-level talent than they are right now....it's as simple as that. :rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

Spain's population 46 millions
USA's African Americans 42 millions

considering that 21/22 of players who represented Usa in two last major tournaments and went undefeated were african americans your argument is bogus.USA produces much more talent per capita than Spain and it's not even close.

The NBA is a racist organization. The discussion ends there.

You also counted several players that are half white and half black (they are not black) as "African American".

News flash, guys that are half white and half black, are NOT black.

[TheMan]

They are Argentines of Italian descent. You have to be pretty stupid to not recognize some of the most common Italian names there.
So what, they weren't born in Italy, they were born in Argentina, numbnuts.

People of Italian ancestary make up almost half of Argentina's population, the majority being of Spanish ancestary (Spain is also in Europe, BTW)..I have no fukking idea what they being of Italian ancestary have to do with your argument.

It would be the same if their last names were Rubio, Gasol or Calderon (giving you Spanish names to make a point, after all, Argentina's majority is of Spanish background), if they are born in Argentina, they are Argentinians, not European:facepalm

If you take a look at the Argentine National Soccer Team, Italian names like Messi, Coloccini, Zanetti, D'Alessandro, Milito, Sensini, Troglio, Caniggia etc pop out, never heard anyone try and argue they should play for Italy :facepalm

[LJJ]

So what, they weren't born in Italy, they were born in Argentina, numbnuts.

People of Italian ancestary make up almost half of Argentina's population, the majority being of Spanish ancestary (Spain is also in Europe, BTW)..I have no fukking idea what they being of Italian ancestary have to do with your argument.

It would be the same if their last names were Rubio, Gasol or Calderon (giving you Spanish names to make a point, after all, Argentina's majority is of Spanish background), if they are born in Argentina, they are Argentinians, not European:facepalm

Nocioni and Ginobili are Italian citizens. This is a fact.

[SwayDizzle]

lol at the topic of this thread, and its constant resurgence. ultimate baiting going on, i guess some people just enjoy trolling too much :)

[JD_TO]

The NBA is a racist organization. The discussion ends there.

You also counted several players that are half white and half black (they are not black) as "African American".

News flash, guys that are half white and half black, are NOT black.

In North America we believe in the one drop rule, for one to be considered white both parents must be white.

[TheMan]

Nocioni and Ginobili are Italian citizens. This is a fact.
Nocioni was born in Santa Fe, Arg and Manu was born in Buenos Aires Arg, this is a fact.

[JD_TO]

Nocioni and Ginobili are Italian citizens. This is a fact.
For one to be an Italian citizen you merely have to just prove that your ancestors are Italian so if your grandparents are Italian you automatically receive Italian citizenship.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who took issue with the total population argument.

[dude77]

Do they keep a stat for almost winning now? What site can I find the almost winning pct. of olympic teams against the U.S.? Which country do you think has the highest almost winning pct. against the U.S.

team spain .. not compromised of the europe's best took it to the usa's absolute best .. europe's best would give team usa EVERYTHING they can handle and very well could beat them ... sit down and stop salivating with your homerism bullshit

[TheMan]

team spain .. not compromised of the europe's best took it to the usa's absolute best .. europe's best would give team usa EVERYTHING they can handle and very well could beat them ... sit down and stop salivating with your homerism bullshit
I want names, you Euroleague homers talk a lot of junk, give me 5 players who are on LeBron, DRose, Durant, Kobe, Howard, Wade's level.

I'm tired of you guys saying they can beat team USA without any evidence.

Give me your 12 man European team that can easily beat the USA, if you don't, I'll assume you guys are talking out of yer ass.

[bwink23]

I want names, you Euroleague homers talk a lot of junk, give me 5 players who are on LeBron, DRose, Durant, Kobe, Howard, Wade's level.

I'm tired of you guys saying they can beat team USA without any evidence.

Give me your 12 man European team that can easily beat the USA, if you don't, I'll assume you guys are talking out of yer ass.


You don't need players "on their level" to beat them, you need a great TEAM....T-E-A-M.....TEAM....Spain with what they had made the USA work for a gold medal down to the last minutes...i'm sure if they took the best players from the other countries, they would be formidable enough to beat the U.S...period...just adding Dirk by himself would be a huge plus.

:hammerhead:

[KingBeasley08]

You don't need players "on their level" to beat them, you need a great TEAM....T-E-A-M.....TEAM....Spain with what they had made the USA work for a gold medal down to the last minutes...i'm sure if they took the best players from the other countries, they would be formidable enough to beat the U.S...period...just adding Dirk by himself would be a huge plus.

:hammerhead:
Spain is a good team. What makes you think a bunch of European players randomly put together would a be a good team :hammerhead:

[bwink23]

Spain is a good team. What makes you think a bunch of European players randomly put together would a be a good team :hammerhead:


For the same reason you thought putting a bunch of random NBA players together would be a good team. :hammerhead:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Any NBA players that can shoot will be god-like players in Euroleague.

[kurple]

why was this thread made and how did it get so many reply's`?

this really is one of the most pointless topics ever..

it's because the level of talent is much higher in the NBA (AS IT SHOULD BE). and everyone in the world knows this

what i do find strange is that USA havent won every single international cup the last 30 years

[LJJ]

Nocioni was born in Santa Fe, Arg and Manu was born in Buenos Aires Arg, this is a fact.

Yup.

You do know that your nationality is not strictly defined by your birthplace right?



For one to be an Italian citizen you merely have to just prove that your ancestors are Italian so if your grandparents are Italian you automatically receive Italian citizenship.

So?

You can say they are naturalized Italians. You can say they are Argentinians too. You can even say they only became Italian just because that way it's easier to find a job as a ball player in Europe.

But you can't say they aren't Italian or European.

[Euroleague]

So what, they weren't born in Italy, they were born in Argentina, numbnuts.

People of Italian ancestary make up almost half of Argentina's population, the majority being of Spanish ancestary (Spain is also in Europe, BTW)..I have no fukking idea what they being of Italian ancestary have to do with your argument.

It would be the same if their last names were Rubio, Gasol or Calderon (giving you Spanish names to make a point, after all, Argentina's majority is of Spanish background), if they are born in Argentina, they are Argentinians, not European:facepalm

If you take a look at the Argentine National Soccer Team, Italian names like Messi, Coloccini, Zanetti, D'Alessandro, Milito, Sensini, Troglio, Caniggia etc pop out, never heard anyone try and argue they should play for Italy :facepalm

What the hell is wrong with you? Do you have any clue at all as to why so many Italians and Germans (which you seem to not even know about) live in Argentina?

You are uneducated.

[TheMan]

What the hell is wrong with you? Do you have any clue at all as to why so many Italians and Germans (which you seem to not even know about) live in Argentina?

You are uneducated.
I know there are a lot of Germans in Argentina, my best friend is from Argentina and of German ancestary, we ain't talking about Argentines of German backgrounds, numbnuts.Should I also mention there are a lot of Argentines of Slavic, Lebanese, Jewish, Irish, Polish, French etc backgrounds?

BTW, my grandfather was from San Rafael, Mendoza, Argentina...his last name was Longo and I've been to Argentina to visit family members twice so I'm not as "uneducated" as you think.:facepalm

[MiseryCityTexas]

USA has never once beaten Europe. They have won and lost to single countries from Europe. The Euroleague is comprised of top players from EUROPE, not single countries.

Team USA would get demolished against an actual European wide team.

i seriously doubt that:oldlol:

[Fiba basketball]

Partizan pg Dominic James said aboute European basketball : '' If you want to play in Europe you need to be open minded and Americans usualy arent . They dont give enough credit to European basketball , they dont know how good you are .'' We can argue what league is better but the fact is that most of Americans dont know anything aboute European basketball and dont know how good it is .

[Maga_1]

Again this?

It's an infinite discussion.

[Euroleague]

For one to be an Italian citizen you merely have to just prove that your ancestors are Italian so if your grandparents are Italian you automatically receive Italian citizenship.

:oldlol: at you calling grandparents "ancestors".

[Nick Young]

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[magic chiongson]

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[jbot]

i'm always amazed/confused when it come to comparing how players are in the nba vs. euro leagues. most players dominate abroad and are scrubs here. some good nba players go overseas and do poorly. weird, wild stuff.