Greatest season by a player?

[Odinn]

Here is my candidate;

Shaquille O'Neal, 1999-00 season.

In regular season;
29.7 ppg / 13.6 rpg / 3.8 apg / 3.0 bpg / .574 fg / 33.8 eff
All-Star Game MVP
MVP (with 0.998 share, got 120 first place of available 121)
Made that Lakers a 67W team.
1st at ppg / 2nd at rpg / 3rd at bpg / 1st at fg%

In playoffs;
30.7 ppg / 15.4 rpg / 3.1 apg / 2.4 bpg / .566 fg / 33.8 eff
FMVP (38.0 ppg / 16.7 rpg / 2.3 apg / 2.7 bpg / .611 fg / 33.3 eff agains the Pacers)


Duncan and Shaq are my favourites players and I think Duncan's 2002-03 season can be mentioned. IMO, Duncan's 2003 playoff run was slightly better than Shaq's 2000 playoff run but Shaq dominated the regular season more.


What do you guys think? Who is your candidate about it?

[Vienceslav]

Sounds about right.

[Rnbizzle]

If Lebron can keep up this kind of play and maybe even score some more points in the playoffs than he is right now, would you agree with me it's up there with the best seasons of all time?

[Odinn]

If Lebron can keep up this kind of play and maybe even score some more points in the playoffs than he is right now, would you agree with me it's up there with the best seasons of all time?
Awards are important. Winning is important. Like you mentioned; playoffs important. I mean look at Bird's numbers in 1987-88 season. Even better than LeBron's current numbers (at least equal) but no-one put some special weight to 1987-88 season in Bird's career.

[millwad]

Hakeem Olajuwon in '94, only player in league history to be crowned MVP, DPOY and Fina

[shaq's--lakers]

Finals MVP (38.0 ppg / 16.7 rpg / 2.3 apg / 2.7 bpg / .611 fg / 33.3 eff
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

http://gifs.gifbin.com/072010/1279705371_omg-maradona.gif

[Rnbizzle]

Awards are important. Winning is important. Like you mentioned; playoffs important. I mean look at Bird's numbers in 1987-88 season. Even better than LeBron's current numbers (at least equal) but no-one put some special weight to 1987-88 season in Bird's career.
Yeah I forgot to add that, I meant assuming Miami wins the title and he's the Finals MVP and (unless anything crazy happens) he should have the regular season MVP on lock right now.

[Shepseskaf]

MVP (with 0.998 share, got 120 first place of available 121)
Fred Hickman, from CNN, chose AI for the MVP vote that year and took major heat for it. :oldlol:

[Odinn]

Yeah I forgot to add that, I meant assuming Miami wins the title and he's the Finals MVP and (unless anything crazy happens) he should have the regular season MVP on lock right now.
Yeah, he has a shot. But he need to be the closer in the playoffs. Also he will get criticized coz of his team. His numbers and performance can be exceptional but the result won't be. Because he is a part of the best team.

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=millwad]Hakeem Olajuwon in '94, only player in league history to be crowned MVP, DPOY and Fina

[Pointguard]

Sure you seen this one coming.

MJ 1993
Regular Season
32.6 ppg 5.5 assist 6.7 rebounds 2.8steals .08 blocks 49 FG5% .837 FT%

Post Season
35.1 ppg 6.0 assist 6.7 rebounds .475 FG% .800FT%

Finals 41ppg

[bwink23]

Michael Jordan 1990 season:

33.6ppg on 52.6%FG, 37.6% 3FG, 84.8%FT,6.9 rebs, 6.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.7 blocks, 3 turnovers.....55% EFG.

POST SEASON: (16 games)

36.7ppg on 51.4%FG, 32.0% 3FG, 83.6%FT, 7.2 rebs. 6.8 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 3.5 turnovers....53.3% eFG%.


Took the Bulls to Game 7 vs. the eventual champion Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals....good chance of advancing to the Finals and beating Portland who struggled against the Pistons losing 4 out of 5 games.....unfortunately Jordan was the only one who showed up as the Bulls turned in one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history:

Box score of that game here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199006030DET.html

Jordan put this team of young players on his back and and carried them as far as anyone could, only to be FAILED when the pressure was at its peak...a downer to one of the greatest seasons performed in history.


And Jordan wasn't even voted MVP this season....

[Legends66NBA7]

Michael Jordan 1990 season:

33.6ppg on 52.6%FG, 37.6% 3FG, 84.8%FT,6.9 rebs, 6.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.7 blocks, 3 turnovers.....55% EFG.

POST SEASON: (16 games)

36.7ppg on 51.4%FG, 32.0% 3FG, 83.6%FT, 7.2 rebs. 6.8 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 3.5 turnovers....53.3% eFG%.


Took the Bulls to Game 7 vs. the eventual champion Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals....good chance of advancing to the Finals and beating Portland who struggled against the Pistons losing 4 out of 5 games.....unfortunately Jordan was the only one who showed up as the Bulls turned in one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history:

Box score of that game here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199006030DET.html

Jordan put this team of young players on his back and and carried them as far as anyone could, only to be FAILED when the pressure was at its peak...a downer to one of the greatest seasons performed in history.


And Jordan wasn't even voted MVP this season....

It's a damn shame that the Bulls didn't make the Finals that year.

I consider this season Jordan's best non-finals making playoff run...

[Pointguard]

Wilt Chamberlain had the best all around year.

Regular Season
24.1 ppg 24.6 rebounds 7.8 Assist .683% FG%

Post Season
21.7 ppg 29.1 rebounds 9 assist .579FG%

Lead the regular season and the post season in assist, rebounds, FG% (somebody had a better FG% in the playoffs). Was 5th in scoring - regular season.

Very likely lead the league in blocks both regular season and playoffs.

Would have been DPOY and FMVP.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt Chamberlain had the best all around year.

Regular Season
24.1 ppg 24.6 rebounds 7.8 Assist .683% FG%

Post Season
21.7 ppg 29.1 rebounds 9 assist .579FG%

Lead the regular season and the post season in assist, rebounds, FG% (somebody had a better FG% in the playoffs). Was 5th in scoring - regular season.

Very likely lead the league in blocks both regular season and playoffs.

Would have been DPOY and FMVP.
* Weak Era

[Pointguard]

Michael Jordan 1990 season:

33.6ppg on 52.6%FG, 37.6% 3FG, 84.8%FT,6.9 rebs, 6.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.7 blocks, 3 turnovers.....55% EFG.

POST SEASON: (16 games)

36.7ppg on 51.4%FG, 32.0% 3FG, 83.6%FT, 7.2 rebs. 6.8 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 3.5 turnovers....53.3% eFG%.


Took the Bulls to Game 7 vs. the eventual champion Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals....good chance of advancing to the Finals and beating Portland who struggled against the Pistons losing 4 out of 5 games.....unfortunately Jordan was the only one who showed up as the Bulls turned in one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history:

Box score of that game here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199006030DET.html

Jordan put this team of young players on his back and and carried them as far as anyone could, only to be FAILED when the pressure was at its peak...a downer to one of the greatest seasons performed in history.


And Jordan wasn't even voted MVP this season....
Yeah he was hungry that year.

[madmax]

Michael Jordan 1990 season:

33.6ppg on 52.6%FG, 37.6% 3FG, 84.8%FT,6.9 rebs, 6.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.7 blocks, 3 turnovers.....55% EFG.

POST SEASON: (16 games)

36.7ppg on 51.4%FG, 32.0% 3FG, 83.6%FT, 7.2 rebs. 6.8 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 3.5 turnovers....53.3% eFG%.


Took the Bulls to Game 7 vs. the eventual champion Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals....good chance of advancing to the Finals and beating Portland who struggled against the Pistons losing 4 out of 5 games.....unfortunately Jordan was the only one who showed up as the Bulls turned in one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history:

Box score of that game here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199006030DET.html

Jordan put this team of young players on his back and and carried them as far as anyone could, only to be FAILED when the pressure was at its peak...a downer to one of the greatest seasons performed in history.


And Jordan wasn't even voted MVP this season....

sounds very familiar to Lebron's 2009 season to me...
Only Lebron is hated for losing to Magic as opposed to being praised for his amazing play. Gotta love them double standards I guess:cheers:

[Pointguard]

* Weak Era
Which makes the nine assist that much more impressive. Shaq's best year had weaker centers than Wilt's era and Jordan had little comp at SG in his best years as well - only like two or three guys.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Which makes the nine assist that much more impressive. Shaq's best year had weaker centers than Wilt's era and Jordan had little comp at SG in his best years as well - only like two or three guys.
Not even close

name me players 7'0" 230 lbs that played more than 2 seasons in Wilt's era

[Odinn]

Not even close

name me players 7'0" 230 lbs that played more than 2 seasons in Wilt's era
You have your own thread about it. Go, bump it. Leave this thread.

[bwink23]

Which makes the nine assist that much more impressive. Shaq's best year had weaker centers than Wilt's era and Jordan had little comp at SG in his best years as well - only like two or three guys.


Jordan had little comp. at any position so what's your point?? There were plenty of capable scorers at the 2-guard...not 30ppg type guys, but 20+. Besides Jordan did a big chunk of his scoring on the help defense attacking the basket.

[CavaliersFTW]

1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain:

The Greatest Regular Season in NBA History.


Season Age Tm G MP FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% TRB AST PF PTS
1961-62 25 PHW 80 48.5 20.0 39.5 .506 10.4 17.0 .613 25.7 2.4 1.5 50.4

1st team all NBA
#1 in minutes played, 3,882 Next best is Oscar Robertson, 3,503 (+379)
#1 in field goals: 1,597 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 973 (+624)
#1 in field goal attempts: 3,159 Next best is Bob Pettit, 1,928 (+1,231)
#2 in field goal pct: .505 Exceeded by Walt Bellamy, .519 - Next Best is Jack Twyman, .479
#1 in free throws: 835 Next best is Jerry West, 712 (+123)
#1 in free throw attempts: 1,363 Next best is Jerry West, 926 (+437)
#1 in total rebounds: 2,052 Next best is Bill Russell, 1,790 (+262)
#1 in points: 4,029 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 2,495 (+1,534)
#1 in minutes per game: 48.5 Next best is Bill Russell, 45.2 (+3.3)
#1 in points per game: 50.4 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 31.6 (+20.3)
#1 in rebounds per game: 25.7 Next best is Bill Russell, 23.6 (+2.1)
#1 in player efficiency rating: 31.8 Next best is Elgin Baylor, 26.5 (+5.3)
#4 in true shooting percentage: .536 The leader is Walt Bellamy, .554
#2 in effective field goal percentage: .506 Behind Walt bellamy, .519
#1 in offensive win shares: 17.1 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 13.4 (+3.7)
#2 in defensive win shares: 6.0 Behind Bill Russell, 11.6
#1 in win shares: 23.1 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 16.3 (+6.8)
#1 in win shares per 48 minutes: .286 Next best is Walt Bellamy, .283 (+.53)

The rift between him and the "next best" from his own, or any other era, is so wide most NBA fans won't even accept his accolades... It's a mind boggling gap between him and then the next-best superstars of his era and that season. The #'s themselves don't translate directly to today's game, but the disparity, no matter how you look at it, is what's amazing.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7393/wiltchamberlain.png

March 14th 1962 - Warriors @ Packers Double Triple Double
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cuNIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NgINAAAAIBAJ&dq=allintext%3A%20wilt%20chamberlain%20blocked%20s hots&pg=2612%2C1404720
"My (100 point) record means nothing, would rather have the title"
34 points, 33 rebounds, 20 blocked shots

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan's 1991 season:

Regular season: 31.5 pts/6.0 reb/5.5 ast/2.7 stl/1.0 blk/54% FG/61% TS/31.6 PER/20.3 Win Shares in just 37.0 mpg

Playoffs: 31.1 pts/6.4 reb/8.4 ast/2.5 stl/1.3 blk/52.4% FG/60% TS/32.0 PER/4.8 Win Shares

Finals: 31.2 pts/6.7 reb/11.4 ast/2.8 stl/1.4 blk/56% FG/66.4% TS

Won MVP, Finals MVP along with his first championship. Member of the All-NBA first team and Defensive First Team. Absurd defensive impact and efficiency in both the regular and postseasons. Had perhaps the best Finals performance of all time (at worst top 5). To this day, 1991 Jordan is the standard for excellence for a perimeter player.

[OldSchoolBBall]

It's a damn shame that the Bulls didn't make the Finals that year.

I consider this season Jordan's best non-finals making playoff run...

If Pippen and Grant didn't shit the bed in that game 7 vs. Detroit, the Bulls would have won the title. They would have destroyed Portland.


Michael Jordan 1990 season:

33.6ppg on 52.6%FG, 37.6% 3FG, 84.8%FT,6.9 rebs, 6.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.7 blocks, 3 turnovers.....55% EFG.

POST SEASON: (16 games)

36.7ppg on 51.4%FG, 32.0% 3FG, 83.6%FT, 7.2 rebs. 6.8 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 3.5 turnovers....53.3% eFG%.


Took the Bulls to Game 7 vs. the eventual champion Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals....good chance of advancing to the Finals and beating Portland who struggled against the Pistons losing 4 out of 5 games.....unfortunately Jordan was the only one who showed up as the Bulls turned in one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history:

Box score of that game here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199006030DET.html

Jordan put this team of young players on his back and and carried them as far as anyone could, only to be FAILED when the pressure was at its peak...a downer to one of the greatest seasons performed in history.


And Jordan wasn't even voted MVP this season....

1990 was Jordan at his most individually dominant imo. Some highlights:

Averaged 36.8 pts/8.0 reb/7.0 ast/2.5 stl/1.0 blk/54% FG versus Milwaukee and two of the best defenders in the league (former DPOY and multiple-time defensive first-teamer Alvin Robertson and multiple defensive first-team member Paul Pressey).

Averaged 43.0 pts/6.6 reb/7.4 ast/4.0 stl/1.2 blk/55% FG vs. Philly, including 3 straight games of 45+ points, with 45/49/45 in consecutive games. The 49-point game included a furious 26-point 4th quarter barrage by Jordan to bring the Bulls within 1 point with a minute or so left.

Averaged 32.1 pts/7.1 reb/6.3 ast/2.1 stl/.6 blk/47% FG vs. Detroit and their vaunted "Jordan Rules" defense, while being guarded alternately by two multiple-time defensive first teamers (and the DPOY) in Rodman and Dumars and enduring constant double and triple teams as his teammates proved ineffectual in the series. Nearly led a vastly less talented team past the Bad Boy Pistons with his supporting cast playing like garbage (Pippen averaged something like 14/7/4/43% FG this series, and Pippen and Grant combined to go 4-27 from the field in the deciding game 7 - in fact, the entire team outside of Jordan shot just 23% that game. Jordan recorded 31 pts/8 reb/9 ast; the amazing part is that despite assisting on 9 of Chicago's 15 FG's, he would have had 12+ assists had numerous passes in the second half/4th quarter for easy layups inside not been botched by his teammates. They were shook. His defensive impact was enormous this series, as was his passing/playmaking. One of his best series ever despite the less gaudy numbers.

Jordan's 1990 postseason is the most dominant a perimeter player has ever been in terms of overall impact in the playoffs, followed closely by (or equaled by) his 1991 playoff campaign.

[bwink23]

If Pippen and Grant didn't shit the bed in that game 7 vs. Detroit, the Bulls would have won the title. They would have destroyed Portland.



1990 was Jordan at his most individually dominant imo. Some highlights:

Averaged 36.8 pts/8.0 reb/7.0 ast/2.5 stl/1.0 blk/54% FG versus Milwaukee and two of the best defenders in the league (former DPOY and multiple-time defensive first-teamer Alvin Robertson and multiple defensive first-team member Paul Pressey).

Averaged 43.0 pts/6.6 reb/7.4 ast/4.0 stl/1.2 blk/55% FG vs. Philly, including 3 straight games of 45+ points, with 45/49/45 in consecutive games. The 49-point game included a furious 26-point 4th quarter barrage by Jordan to bring the Bulls within 1 point with a minute or so left.

Averaged 32.1 pts/7.1 reb/6.3 ast/2.1 stl/.6 blk/47% FG vs. Detroit and their vaunted "Jordan Rules" defense, while being guarded alternately by two multiple-time defensive first teamers (and the DPOY) in Rodman and Dumars and enduring constant double and triple teams as his teammates proved ineffectual in the series. Nearly led a vastly less talented team past the Bad Boy Pistons with his supporting cast playing like garbage (Pippen averaged something like 14/7/4/43% FG this series, and Pippen and Grant combined to go 4-27 from the field in the deciding game 7 - in fact, the entire team outside of Jordan shot just 23% that game. Jordan recorded 31 pts/8 reb/9 ast; the amazing part is that despite assisting on 9 of Chicago's 15 FG's, he would have had 12+ assists had numerous passes in the second half/4th quarter for easy layups inside not been botched by his teammates. They were shook. His defensive impact was enormous this series, as was his passing/playmaking. One of his best series ever despite the less gaudy numbers.

Jordan's 1990 postseason is the most dominant a perimeter player has ever been in terms of overall impact in the playoffs, followed closely by (or equaled by) his 1991 playoff campaign.


NO DOUBT....This was supposed to be the year the Bulls got past the Pistons, with Pippen and Grant in their 3rd years and STARTING to come of age. They were one of the most dangerous teams in the league as far as beating anybody on any given night. The pressure taking on the Pistons in The Palace in a pressure-packed game 7 was too much for the Bulls to handle, save for Jordan, who looked like he was on an island out there. I think i can still feel the INTENSITY of the series.


The young kids today don't realize, after this loss Jordan took so much shit, a little short of the scrutiny Lebron gets now...."Jordan is not a winner, he can't lead a team to a champioship....He's a great individual talent, but his his style isn't conducive to winning championships."


And like Jordan, Lebron still has LOTS of time to prove his naysayers wrong.

[CavaliersFTW]

* Weak Era

Not even close

name me players 7'0" 230 lbs that played more than 2 seasons in Wilt's era

:facepalm :roll:

Deuce, before you decide to ejaculate all over another thread that mentions Wilt Chamberlain, tie a plastic bag tightly around your head and wait 10 minutes.

Anyone over 6'10 qualifies as 7'0 in today's NBA.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/desagana_diop/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Desagana-Diop-2241/


Listed weights are not reality.
In 1989, David Robinson was listed at 235lbs but at the Olympics he was weighed and found to be only 227lbs. Eventually he weighed more, obviously but at the time his list weight was actually exaggerated. Wilt Chamberlain was listed 275 in 1964 (and for the rest of his career) but when he stepped on the locker room scale in 1964 mid-season, it reads 292. hmmmm......... Bill Russell was listed a flat out unrealistic 215 for his entire career - in 1967 he openly talks about his increased weight progression up to 235, and in the off-seasons he weighed 240. Those vintage players in particular were listed via their draft weight's when they were skinny rookies. None of them stayed that weight, all of them gained weight especially playing in the post - some of them gained a massive amount of weight. :facepalm

ALL 31 of these men played Wilt for 2 seasons or more, are 7'0 tall by modern NBA standards, and exceeded 230lbs.

*Nate Thurmond (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walt Bellamy (HOF)
*Kareem Abdul Jabbar (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Tom Boerwinkle
*Ray Felix
*Bill Russell (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walter Dukes
*Swede Halbrook
*Darrell Imhoff
*Bevo Nordman
*Mel Counts
*Jon Thompson
*Joe Strawder
*Reggie Harding
*Jim Fox
*Rich Niemen
*Dick Cunningham
*Dale Schlueter
*Dave Newmark
*Luther Rackley
*Otto Moore
*Neal Walk
*Greg Filmore
*Dennis Awtry
*George Johnson
*Bob Christian
*Tom Black
*Sam Lacey
*Bob Lanier (HOF)
*Elmore Smith
*Jim McDaniels
*William Smith


And dozens more were at least as tall as Dwight Howard, that also exceeded 230lbs.

FAIL

[Pointguard]

Jordan had little comp. at any position so what's your point?? There were plenty of capable scorers at the 2-guard...not 30ppg type guys, but 20+. Besides Jordan did a big chunk of his scoring on the help defense attacking the basket.

I said Jordan before you did - look at the thread. I was making a point to dunce biggie but out of respect to Odinn I won't go there.

[Deuce Bigalow]

1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain:

The Greatest Regular Season in NBA History.


Season Age Tm G MP FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% TRB AST PF PTS
1961-62 25 PHW 80 48.5 20.0 39.5 .506 10.4 17.0 .613 25.7 2.4 1.5 50.4

1st team all NBA
#1 in minutes played, 3,882 Next best is Oscar Robertson, 3,503 (+379)
#1 in field goals: 1,597 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 973 (+624)
#1 in field goal attempts: 3,159 Next best is Bob Pettit, 1,928 (+1,231)
#2 in field goal pct: .505 Exceeded by Walt Bellamy, .519 - Next Best is Jack Twyman, .479
#1 in free throws: 835 Next best is Jerry West, 712 (+123)
#1 in free throw attempts: 1,363 Next best is Jerry West, 926 (+437)
#1 in total rebounds: 2,052 Next best is Bill Russell, 1,790 (+262)
#1 in points: 4,029 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 2,495 (+1,534)
#1 in minutes per game: 48.5 Next best is Bill Russell, 45.2 (+3.3)
#1 in points per game: 50.4 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 31.6 (+20.3)
#1 in rebounds per game: 25.7 Next best is Bill Russell, 23.6 (+2.1)
#1 in player efficiency rating: 31.8 Next best is Elgin Baylor, 26.5 (+5.3)
#4 in true shooting percentage: .536 The leader is Walt Bellamy, .554
#2 in effective field goal percentage: .506 Behind Walt bellamy, .519
#1 in offensive win shares: 17.1 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 13.4 (+3.7)
#2 in defensive win shares: 6.0 Behind Bill Russell, 11.6
#1 in win shares: 23.1 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 16.3 (+6.8)
#1 in win shares per 48 minutes: .286 Next best is Walt Bellamy, .283 (+.53)

The rift between him and the "next best" from his own, or any other era, is so wide most NBA fans won't even accept his accolades... It's a mind boggling gap between him and then the next-best superstars of his era and that season. The #'s themselves don't translate directly to today's game, but the disparity, no matter how you look at it, is what's amazing.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7393/wiltchamberlain.png

March 14th 1962 - Warriors @ Packers Double Triple Double
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cuNIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NgINAAAAIBAJ&dq=allintext%3A%20wilt%20chamberlain%20blocked%20s hots&pg=2612%2C1404720
"My (100 point) record means nothing, would rather have the title"
34 points, 33 rebounds, 20 blocked shots
:facepalm Weak Era

[Deuce Bigalow]

:facepalm :roll:

Deuce, before you decide to ejaculate all over another thread that mentions Wilt Chamberlain, tie a plastic bag tightly around your head and wait 10 minutes.

Anyone over 6'10 qualifies as 7'0 in today's NBA.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/desagana_diop/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Desagana-Diop-2241/


Listed weights are not reality.
In 1989, David Robinson was listed at 235lbs but at the Olympics he was weighed and found to be only 227lbs. Eventually he weighed more, obviously but at the time his list weight was actually exaggerated. Wilt Chamberlain was listed 275 in 1964 (and for the rest of his career) but when he stepped on the locker room scale in 1964 mid-season, it reads 292. hmmmm......... Bill Russell was listed a flat out unrealistic 215 for his entire career - in 1967 he openly talks about his increased weight progression up to 235, and in the off-seasons he weighed 240. Those vintage players in particular were listed via their draft weight's when they were skinny rookies. None of them stayed that weight, all of them gained weight especially playing in the post - some of them gained a massive amount of weight. :facepalm

ALL 31 of these men played Wilt for 2 seasons or more, are 7'0 tall by modern NBA standards, and exceeded 230lbs.

*Nate Thurmond (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walt Bellamy (HOF)
*Kareem Abdul Jabbar (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Tom Boerwinkle
*Ray Felix
*Bill Russell (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walter Dukes
*Swede Halbrook
*Darrell Imhoff
*Bevo Nordman
*Mel Counts
*Jon Thompson
*Joe Strawder
*Reggie Harding
*Jim Fox
*Rich Niemen
*Dick Cunningham
*Dale Schlueter
*Dave Newmark
*Luther Rackley
*Otto Moore
*Neal Walk
*Greg Filmore
*Dennis Awtry
*George Johnson
*Bob Christian
*Tom Black
*Sam Lacey
*Bob Lanier (HOF)
*Elmore Smith
*Jim McDaniels
*William Smith


And dozens more were at least as tall as Dwight Howard, that also exceeded 230lbs.

FAIL
None of those are 7'0" 230+ lbs

FAIL

[bwink23]

I said Jordan before you did - look at the thread. I was making a point to dunce biggie but out of respect to Odinn I won't go there.


Go where, about the competition at the 2-guard??

Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Rolando Blackman, Jeff Malone, Vernon Maxwell, John Starks, Reggie Theus, Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullin, Danny Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Michael Cooper, Alvin Robertson, Fat Lever, Hersey Hawkins, Joe Dumars, Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, etc, etc....obviously not as deep as today's game, but many were not scrubs at all.

ONE OR TWO would be correct if your talking All-time Elite 2-guards....doesn't make the comp. weak if they aren't putting up 25 a game in a league that played in the paint with the bigs.

[pauk]

Statistically season & playoffs? Jordan, Lebron, Oscar or Wilt might take the cake.....

Accomplishments? (as in mvp, dpoy, roty, ring, fmvp) Not sure... but Jordan might take that one to...



Lebron this year has potential to have the greatest season imo... he is the favorite to win the MVP, he might win the championship, fmvp and has historical numbers aswell... we shall see

[CavaliersFTW]

None of those are 7'0" 230+ lbs

FAIL

Anyone over 6'10 qualifies as 7'0 in today's NBA.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/desagana_diop/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Desagana-Diop-2241/


Listed weights are not reality.
In 1989, David Robinson was listed at 235lbs but at the Olympics he was weighed and found to be only 227lbs. Eventually he weighed more, obviously but at the time his list weight was actually exaggerated. Wilt Chamberlain was listed 275 in 1964 (and for the rest of his career) but when he stepped on the locker room scale in 1964 mid-season, it reads 292. hmmmm......... Bill Russell was listed a flat out unrealistic 215 for his entire career - in 1967 he openly talks about his increased weight progression up to 235, and in the off-seasons he weighed 240. Those vintage players in particular were listed via their draft weight's when they were skinny rookies. None of them stayed that weight, all of them gained weight especially playing in the post - some of them gained a massive amount of weight. :facepalm

ALL 31 of these men played Wilt for 2 seasons or more, are 7'0 tall by modern NBA standards, and exceeded 230lbs.

*Nate Thurmond (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walt Bellamy (HOF)
*Kareem Abdul Jabbar (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Tom Boerwinkle
*Ray Felix
*Bill Russell (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walter Dukes
*Swede Halbrook
*Darrell Imhoff
*Bevo Nordman
*Mel Counts
*Jon Thompson
*Joe Strawder
*Reggie Harding
*Jim Fox
*Rich Niemen
*Dick Cunningham
*Dale Schlueter
*Dave Newmark
*Luther Rackley
*Otto Moore
*Neal Walk
*Greg Filmore
*Dennis Awtry
*George Johnson
*Bob Christian
*Tom Black
*Sam Lacey
*Bob Lanier (HOF)
*Elmore Smith
*Jim McDaniels
*William Smith


And dozens more were at least as tall as Dwight Howard, that also exceeded 230lbs.

FAIL

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Cm2c74za2GE/T0VbCzeMoOI/AAAAAAAAC_U/WJUvQ7BDBHk/s800/U%2520mad.jpg

[Odinn]

I said Jordan before you did - look at the thread. I was making a point to dunce biggie but out of respect to Odinn I won't go there.
:cheers: :cheers:



Lebron this year has potential to have the greatest season imo... he is the favorite to win the MVP, he might win the championship, fmvp and has historical numbers aswell... we shall see


Yeah, he has a shot. But he need to be the closer in the playoffs. Also he will get criticized coz of his team. His numbers and performance can be exceptional but the result won't be. Because he is a part of the best team.

[The Iron Fist]

name all of the 7'1 300lb mobile centers that played in Shaqs era.
Not even close

name me players 7'0" 230 lbs that played more than 2 seasons in Wilt's era

[jlauber]

Not even close

name me players 7'0" 230 lbs that played more than 2 seasons in Wilt's era

Name me the number of players who were LEGITIMATELY within 50 lbs of Shaq's WEIGHT in his 99-00 and 00-01 seasons. The truth was, Shaq routinely outweighed his opposing centers by anywhere from 50-100+ lbs.

So, yes, he played in a "weak" era then, too.

Of course, only a moron would claim that Javale McGee would even make an NBA roster in the early 70's, when virtually EVERY team was stacked with quality and even HOF centers.

BTW, take a CLOSE look at the LOADED rosters in the 66-67 NBA. Here is all you need to know...

The Lakers had West and Baylor, in their near primes, and averaging 29 and 27 ppg, as well as HOFer Gail Goodrich. Then they had Abdul-Rahman (Walt Hazzard), who was so good that he actually averaged 24 ppg the very next season. They also had Archie Clark, who would be an ALL-STAR the very next season (and average 20 ppg.) Then they had Rudy LaRusso, who would averaged 22 ppg the very next season. AND, they not only had 6-10 center journeyman center Darrell Imhoff (who averaged a double-double that season), but TWO SEVEN-FOOTERs, both of whom would be measured at over 7-1 by today's methods.

So, the 66-67 Lakers essentially had the Lebron and Wade of the 60's, and in close to their primes (West and Baylor are generally ranked in almost everyone's Top-20 all-time), but a PLETHORA of surrounding talent.

Now, tell me what their overall record was that season...





36-45.


Once again, take a CLOSE look at the roster of the 66-67 NBA. The Knicks, Warriors, Hawks, Royals, Lakers, Celtics, and Sixers were STACKED with great talent, and in a ten team league.


And yet, Chamberlain may very well have had the single most dominant season in NBA HISTORY, and in a league with Russell, Thurmond, and Bellamy (as well as multiple all-star Beaty, and part-time center Willis Reed.) And he faced each of those guys in nine regular season games each, and then shredded both Russell and Thurmond in another 11 more post-season games.

[PHILA]

* Weak Era
During '65-'66 season, Chamberlain averaged 28.5 ppg vs Thurmond in 9 head to head games, including games of 38 points, 45 points, & a 33 pt, 17 reb, 8 ast, 16 blk quadruple double. While Nate did hold him five points below his season average (33.5), remember that he was arguably the top defensive center in league history after Russell, and perhaps a better matchup for Wilt physically in the paint. When Nate was out with injury on March 3, 1966 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196603030PHI.html), the task of guarding Wilt fell on backup F/C Fred Hetzel, who was a strong rebounder and could hit the outside shot. Merely an average center, much like a good chunk of the NBA today. He managed to hold Wilt to 62 points & 37 rebounds.


Before anyone accuses him of padding his stats, this game was won by Chamberlain in the 4th quarter. Read recap below.


http://i.imgur.com/FhEtJ.png

[BlueandGold]

MJ or Wilt by far, won't even both putting up MJ 37/6/5 and Wilt 50 ppg season averages because i'm sure someone put them up already (if there are any legitimate basketball fans on here).

[CavaliersFTW]

MJ or Wilt by far, won't even both putting up MJ 37/6/5 and Wilt 50 ppg season averages because i'm sure someone put them up already (if there are any legitimate basketball fans on here).

Go to the 2nd page of this thread the info on Wilt's 50ppg season including box scores for each game and a shot block count of his very last game of that season.. which ends up netting him a possible double triple double (It would be the 2nd known one of those in his career)...

[poido123]

Statistically season & playoffs? Jordan, Lebron, Oscar or Wilt might take the cake.....

Accomplishments? (as in mvp, dpoy, roty, ring, fmvp) Not sure... but Jordan might take that one to...



Lebron this year has potential to have the greatest season imo... he is the favorite to win the MVP, he might win the championship, fmvp and has historical numbers aswell... we shall see

Difference is, he has teamed up with a top 3 shooting guard in the game, and a top 5 PF, so I dont think he will ever have the best season ever, most of his stats this year you could say he's been padding them a bit.

Not hating on Lebron, but these are the facts. He lost his credibility to make his own mark on the game when he teamed up to be in a super team.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Anyone over 6'10 qualifies as 7'0 in today's NBA.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/desagana_diop/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Desagana-Diop-2241/


Listed weights are not reality.
In 1989, David Robinson was listed at 235lbs but at the Olympics he was weighed and found to be only 227lbs. Eventually he weighed more, obviously but at the time his list weight was actually exaggerated. Wilt Chamberlain was listed 275 in 1964 (and for the rest of his career) but when he stepped on the locker room scale in 1964 mid-season, it reads 292. hmmmm......... Bill Russell was listed a flat out unrealistic 215 for his entire career - in 1967 he openly talks about his increased weight progression up to 235, and in the off-seasons he weighed 240. Those vintage players in particular were listed via their draft weight's when they were skinny rookies. None of them stayed that weight, all of them gained weight especially playing in the post - some of them gained a massive amount of weight. :facepalm

ALL 31 of these men played Wilt for 2 seasons or more, are 7'0 tall by modern NBA standards, and exceeded 230lbs.

*Nate Thurmond (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walt Bellamy (HOF)
*Kareem Abdul Jabbar (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Tom Boerwinkle
*Ray Felix
*Bill Russell (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walter Dukes
*Swede Halbrook
*Darrell Imhoff
*Bevo Nordman
*Mel Counts
*Jon Thompson
*Joe Strawder
*Reggie Harding
*Jim Fox
*Rich Niemen
*Dick Cunningham
*Dale Schlueter
*Dave Newmark
*Luther Rackley
*Otto Moore
*Neal Walk
*Greg Filmore
*Dennis Awtry
*George Johnson
*Bob Christian
*Tom Black
*Sam Lacey
*Bob Lanier (HOF)
*Elmore Smith
*Jim McDaniels
*William Smith


And dozens more were at least as tall as Dwight Howard, that also exceeded 230lbs.

FAIL

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Cm2c74za2GE/T0VbCzeMoOI/AAAAAAAAC_U/WJUvQ7BDBHk/s800/U%2520mad.jpg
Yeah I'm so mad that some guy dominated short weak stiffs :oldlol:
And you have yet to list a single 7' 230 lb player too - tall tails don't count :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

name all of the 7'1 300lb mobile centers that played in Shaqs era.
Yeah because 230 lbs equals 300 lbs :rolleyes:

[CavaliersFTW]

Yeah I'm so mad that some guy dominated short weak stiffs :oldlol:
And you have yet to list a single 7' 230 lb player too - tall tails don't count :lol
Anyone over 6'10 qualifies as 7'0 in today's NBA.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/desagana_diop/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Desagana-Diop-2241/

Hey Deuce What do all these 7 footers have in common?

Tyson Chandler
Brook Lopez
Robin Lopez
Hakeem Olajuwon
Patrick Ewing
Joakim Noah
Brendan Haywood
BJ Mullins
Darko Miclic
Spencer Hawes
Jerome Jordan
Chris Kaman
Tyson Chandler
Yi Jianlian
Andrew Bogut
Greg Oden
Javale McGee
Marcin Gortat

*Gasp! They aren't truthfully 7 feet tall at all! It's the post-1970's-media-age-NBA's best kept secret! Exaggerating player size for greater fan appeal.
www.draftexpress.com/measurements
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/larrybird_shh.jpg
:violin:


Listed weights are not reality.
In 1989, David Robinson was listed at 235lbs but at the Olympics he was weighed and found to be only 227lbs. Eventually he weighed more, obviously but at the time his list weight was actually exaggerated. Wilt Chamberlain was listed 275 in 1964 (and for the rest of his career) but when he stepped on the locker room scale in 1964 mid-season, it reads 292. hmmmm......... Bill Russell was listed a flat out unrealistic 215 for his entire career - in 1967 he openly talks about his increased weight progression up to 235, and in the off-seasons he weighed 240. Those vintage players in particular were listed via their draft weight's when they were skinny rookies. None of them stayed that weight, all of them gained weight especially playing in the post - some of them gained a massive amount of weight. :facepalm

ALL *32 of these men played Wilt for 2 seasons or more, are 7'0 tall by modern NBA standards, and exceeded 230lbs.

*Nate Thurmond (HOF, 50 greatest) THERES 1!
*Walt Bellamy (HOF) THERE'S 2!
*Kareem Abdul Jabbar (HOF, 50 greatest) THERE'S 3
*Tom Boerwinkle THERE'S 4!
*Ray Felix THERE'S 5!
*Bill Russell (HOF, 50 greatest) THERE'S 6!
*Walter Dukes THERE'S 7!
*Swede Halbrook THERE'S 8!
*Darrell Imhoff THERE'S 9!
*Bevo Nordman THERE'S 10!
*Mel Counts THERE'S 11!
*Jon Thompson THERE'S 12!
*Joe Strawder THERE'S 13!
*Reggie Harding THERE'S 14!
*Jim Fox THERE'S 15!
*Rich Niemen THERE'S 16!
*Dick Cunningham THERE'S 17!
*Dale Schlueter THERE'S 18!
*Dave Newmark THERE'S 19!
*Luther Rackley THERE'S 20!
*Otto Moore THERE'S 21!
*Neal Walk THERE'S 22!
*Greg Filmore THERE'S 23!
*Dennis Awtry THERE'S 24!
*George Johnson THERE'S 25!
*Bob Christian THERE'S 26!
*Tom Black THERE'S 27!
*Sam Lacey THERE'S 28!
*Bob Lanier (HOF) THERE'S 29!
*Elmore Smith THERE'S 30!
*Jim McDaniels THERE'S 31!
*William Smith THERE'S 32!


Oops I mis-counted the first time. Seems he played against no less than thirty TWO 7 footers. :confusedshrug:

FAIL
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/SstrTxxc9LI/AAAAAAAAyRk/LMAngVuHOpY/s400/fail_68.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Cm2c74za2GE/T0VbCzeMoOI/AAAAAAAAC_U/WJUvQ7BDBHk/s400/U%2520mad.jpg

:lol

Deuce, you can't win, I know it's hard to accept change but your days of raping Wilt in the ass are over, sawry bud. You should go consume all the pills in your parents medicine cabinet, because you've dug yourself a deep grave with your sad attempts at trolling.

RIP Deuce :roll:

[jlauber]

During '65-'66 season, Chamberlain averaged 28.5 ppg vs Thurmond in 9 head to head games, including games of 38 points, 45 points, & a 33 pt, 17 reb, 8 ast, 16 blk quadruple double. While Nate did hold him five points below his season average (33.5), remember that he was arguably the top defensive center in league history after Russell, and perhaps a better matchup for Wilt physically in the paint. When Nate was out with injury on March 3, 1966 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196603030PHI.html), the task of guarding Wilt fell on backup F/C Fred Hetzel, who was a strong rebounder and could hit the outside shot. Merely an average center, much like a good chunk of the NBA today. He managed to hold Wilt to 62 points & 37 rebounds.


Before anyone accuses him of padding his stats, this game was won by Chamberlain in the 4th quarter. Read recap below.


http://i.imgur.com/FhEtJ.png

From their last encounter in the 64-65 season, thru their first encounter in the 66-67 season, covering 11 H2H games, Chamberlain averaged 29.9 ppg against Thurmond. In those 11 games, Wilt had games of 30, 33, 34, 34, 38, and 45 points. And he just buried Nate in most of them (e.g. outscoring him 45-13 in that one game.) That was a PRIME "scoring" Wilt. He was far more dominant against Thurmond that a PRIME "scoring" Kareem would be later on.

In that 65-66 season, Chamberlain outscored Nate in 8 of their 9 H2H's. I already mentioned the 45-13 game, but he also had scoring margins of 26-9, 33-10, 33-17, and 38-15 against him.

In that same season, Wilt averaged 33 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy, and held an 8-1-1 margin in their scoring H2H's. Included in those games were scoring differentials of 37-22, 38-23, 34-19, and 50-26.

Then there were the 14 Russell-Wilt H2H's in the 65-66 season, which included five games in the playoffs. Overall, Wilt outscored Russell by a 28.2 ppg to 11.1 ppg, and outrebounded Russell by a staggering 30.5 rpg to 23.0 rpg margin. BTW, for those idiots that love to claim that Wilt somehow "shrunk" in the playoffs against Russell, Chamberlain averaged 28.3 ppg and 30.7 rpg against Russell in the regular season, and 28.0 ppg and 30.2 rpg against him in the playoffs.

In those 14 H2H games against Russell, Chamberlain outscored Russell in 13 of them (Russell did manage to outscore Wilt in one game by an 18-15 margin.) Included in those games, were some eye-popping margins. Wilt had scoring differentials of 30-5, 27-6, 31-11 (BTW, he also outrebounded Russell in that game by an unworldly 40-17 margin), 37-14, 29-3, 32-8, 31-11, and in the series clinching game five loss of the '66 ECF's, Wilt outscored Russell, 46-18.

And, as great a rebounder as Russell was, Chamberlain just abused him on the glass in that season. He outrebounded Russell in 10 of their 14 H2H's, and in some, he just buried him. I already mentioned the 40-17 beatdown, but how about these differentials...30-10, 42-25, 36-20, and 32-18!

Once again, I honestly believe that no other center dominated his peers more thoroughly, in virtually every fashion, than what Wilt did to his in that 65-66 season. Overall, he LED the league in scoring, at 33.5 ppg; in rebounding at 24.6 rpg; and he not only led the league in FG%, at .540 (in a league that shot .433), he set a then-record at the time (of course he would trash that record the very next season with a mond-boggling .683 mark.) He even handed out 5.2 apg that season...and as you can see above, he was a BEAST defensively against the BEST centers of the period.

[jlauber]

Go to the 2nd page of this thread the info on Wilt's 50ppg season including box scores for each game and a shot block count of his very last game of that season.. which ends up netting him a possible double triple double (It would be the 2nd known one of those in his career)...

I just caught this. We now have Wilt with TWO known TRIPLE-DOUBLE-TRIPLE games. This 34 point, 33 rebound, 20 block game, and his well known 22 point, 25 rebound, 21 assist game in '68.

Incidently, that 34-33-20 game came against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy...in a season in which Chamberlain averaged 52.7 ppg in TEN games against him! Included in those games were THREE of 60+ and a HIGH game of 73 points (and 36 rebounds.) BTW, Wilt and Russell went at it TEN times in the regular season as well, and Russell "held" Chamberlain to a 39.7 ppg average, including games of 52 and 62 points (on 27-45 shooting .)

In the 62-63 season, Wilt averaged 43.7 ppg against Bellamy in their 10 H2H's, and 38.1 ppg against Russell in their nine H2H's (including five of over 40, with a high game of 50.)

And I don't want to forget HOFer Willis Reed here either. In their NINE H2H gams in the 64-65 season, all Chamberlain could do was average 40.1 ppg against him. Included in those nine games were games with these scoring differentials...36-25, 37-24, 37-22, 41-8, 52-23, and an unbelievable 58-28 margin.

When you factor in that Chamberlain averaged 30 ppg against 6-11 Nate Thurmond in a span of 11 straight games from their last H2H game in the '65 season, their nine H2H's in the '66 season, and in their first game of the '67 season...including games of 30, 33, 34, 34, 38, and 45 points...a PRIME Wilt was clearly LIGHT YEARS ahead of the BEST centers of his era.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Anyone over 6'10 qualifies as 7'0 in today's NBA.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/desagana_diop/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Desagana-Diop-2241/

Hey Deuce What do all these 7 footers have in common?

Tyson Chandler
Brook Lopez
Robin Lopez
Hakeem Olajuwon
Patrick Ewing
Joakim Noah
Brendan Haywood
BJ Mullins
Darko Miclic
Spencer Hawes
Jerome Jordan
Chris Kaman
Tyson Chandler
Yi Jianlian
Andrew Bogut
Greg Oden
Javale McGee
Marcin Gortat

*Gasp! They aren't truthfully 7 feet tall at all! It's the post-1970's-media-age-NBA's best kept secret! Exaggerating player size for greater fan appeal.
www.draftexpress.com/measurements
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/larrybird_shh.jpg
:violin:


Listed weights are not reality.
In 1989, David Robinson was listed at 235lbs but at the Olympics he was weighed and found to be only 227lbs. Eventually he weighed more, obviously but at the time his list weight was actually exaggerated. Wilt Chamberlain was listed 275 in 1964 (and for the rest of his career) but when he stepped on the locker room scale in 1964 mid-season, it reads 292. hmmmm......... Bill Russell was listed a flat out unrealistic 215 for his entire career - in 1967 he openly talks about his increased weight progression up to 235, and in the off-seasons he weighed 240. Those vintage players in particular were listed via their draft weight's when they were skinny rookies. None of them stayed that weight, all of them gained weight especially playing in the post - some of them gained a massive amount of weight. :facepalm

ALL *32 of these men played Wilt for 2 seasons or more, are 7'0 tall by modern NBA standards, and exceeded 230lbs.

*Nate Thurmond (HOF, 50 greatest) THERES 1!
*Walt Bellamy (HOF) THERE'S 2!
*Kareem Abdul Jabbar (HOF, 50 greatest) THERE'S 3
*Tom Boerwinkle THERE'S 4!
*Ray Felix THERE'S 5!
*Bill Russell (HOF, 50 greatest) THERE'S 6!
*Walter Dukes THERE'S 7!
*Swede Halbrook THERE'S 8!
*Darrell Imhoff THERE'S 9!
*Bevo Nordman THERE'S 10!
*Mel Counts THERE'S 11!
*Jon Thompson THERE'S 12!
*Joe Strawder THERE'S 13!
*Reggie Harding THERE'S 14!
*Jim Fox THERE'S 15!
*Rich Niemen THERE'S 16!
*Dick Cunningham THERE'S 17!
*Dale Schlueter THERE'S 18!
*Dave Newmark THERE'S 19!
*Luther Rackley THERE'S 20!
*Otto Moore THERE'S 21!
*Neal Walk THERE'S 22!
*Greg Filmore THERE'S 23!
*Dennis Awtry THERE'S 24!
*George Johnson THERE'S 25!
*Bob Christian THERE'S 26!
*Tom Black THERE'S 27!
*Sam Lacey THERE'S 28!
*Bob Lanier (HOF) THERE'S 29!
*Elmore Smith THERE'S 30!
*Jim McDaniels THERE'S 31!
*William Smith THERE'S 32!


Oops I mis-counted the first time. Seems he played against no less than thirty TWO 7 footers. :confusedshrug:

FAIL
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/SstrTxxc9LI/AAAAAAAAyRk/LMAngVuHOpY/s400/fail_68.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Cm2c74za2GE/T0VbCzeMoOI/AAAAAAAAC_U/WJUvQ7BDBHk/s400/U%2520mad.jpg

:lol

Deuce, you can't win, I know it's hard to accept change but your days of raping Wilt in the ass are over, sawry bud. You should go consume all the pills in your parents medicine cabinet, because you've dug yourself a deep grave with your sad attempts at trolling.

RIP Deuce :roll:
:facepalm Can you quit making stuff up. 6'10 /= 7'. below 230 lbs /= 230+ lbs.
No double teams. No triple teams. No advanced defensive schemes. Against weak short scrubs.
And again why would I be mad if someone scored 100 against shorter weaker scrubs? Shaq would make Wilt his bitch if he played in this era

[PTB Fan]

During '65-'66 season, Chamberlain averaged 28.5 ppg vs Thurmond in 9 head to head games, including games of 38 points, 45 points, & a 33 pt, 17 reb, 8 ast, 16 blk quadruple double. While Nate did hold him five points below his season average (33.5), remember that he was arguably the top defensive center in league history after Russell, and perhaps a better matchup for Wilt physically in the paint. When Nate was out with injury on March 3, 1966 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196603030PHI.html), the task of guarding Wilt fell on backup F/C Fred Hetzel, who was a strong rebounder and could hit the outside shot. Merely an average center, much like a good chunk of the NBA today. He managed to hold Wilt to 62 points & 37 rebounds.


Before anyone accuses him of padding his stats, this game was won by Chamberlain in the 4th quarter. Read recap below.


http://i.imgur.com/FhEtJ.png

Hey Phila, did you find the FGA in this game?

[SuperPippen]

:facepalm Can you quit making stuff up. 6'10 /= 7'. below 230 lbs /= 230+ lbs.
No double teams. No triple teams. No advanced defensive schemes. Against weak short scrubs.
And again why would I be mad if someone scored 100 against shorter weaker scrubs? Shaq would make Wilt his bitch if he played in this era

:facepalm

And how, might I ask, do you know any of this? Are you old enough to have watched basketball back when Wilt played? Did you go to watch the games and take notes about a lack of double teams and "advanced defensive schemes?" I doubt it. And if I am mistaken, please, enlighten us about the supposed defensive schemes that they didn't have back then.


And why do you still insist on perpetuating the asinine myth that Wilt only played against "weak short scrubs"? You've been proven wrong time and time again. In this thread alone, your arguments have been demolished multiple times, and yet you still insist on spewing blatant lies. You really think humanity has evolved to be significantly taller and heavier in just 40 years?

Can YOU quit making shit up?

[Deuce Bigalow]

:facepalm

And how, might I ask, do you know any of this? Are you old enough to have watched basketball back when Wilt played? Did you go to watch the games and take notes about a lack of double teams and "advanced defensive schemes?" I doubt it. And if I am mistaken, please, enlighten us about the supposed defensive schemes that they didn't have back then.


And why do you still insist on perpetuating the asinine myth that Wilt only played against "weak short scrubs"? You've been proven wrong time and time again. In this thread alone, your arguments have been demolished multiple times, and yet you still insist on spewing blatant lies. You really think humanity has evolved to be significantly taller and heavier in just 40 years?

Can YOU quit making shit up?
:oldlol:
Where is the list of 7' 230+ lb players in Wilt's time that have played more than 2 seasons?
So no I have not been "demolished" :lol

[SuperPippen]

:oldlol:
Where is the list of 7' 230+ lb players in Wilt's time that have played more than 2 seasons?
So no I have not been "demolished" :lol

It's already been posted. Multiple times. In this thread.

And, according to your logic, if some of the players on that list don't exactly fit your unnecessarily precise specifications, even if they're only off by an inch or a few pounds, that immediately makes a "short weak scrub," is that right?

Hakeem Olajuwon wasn't even 7 feet. Neither is Dwight Howard, and they are two of the best centers, and players, of the past 20 years. Roy Hibbert, on the other hand, is 7'2", so why isn't he dominating the league?


BTW, you still haven't answered the questions from my other post.

[PHILA]

Hey Phila, did you find the FGA in this game?

No FGA or FTA.

[Deuce Bigalow]

It's already been posted. Multiple times. In this thread.

And, according to your logic, if some of the players on that list don't exactly fit your unnecessarily precise specifications, even if they're only off by an inch or a few pounds, that immediately makes a "short weak scrub," is that right?

Hakeem Olajuwon wasn't even 7 feet. Neither is Dwight Howard, and they are two of the best centers, and players, of the past 20 years. Roy Hibbert, on the other hand, is 7'2", so why isn't he dominating the league?


BTW, you still haven't answered the questions from my other post.
It's a weaker era of players and skills
Go watch a video of that era. There's plenty.