Report: Nets Working On Multi-Team Trade Scenarios To Acquire Howard Read more: http

[dirkdiggler41]

The Nets will be prepared when they do. The creative mind of GM Billy King is already working, constructing, as he did in the pursuit of Carmelo Anthony a year ago, possible three- and four-team trade scenarios to pitch when Smith is ready to talk. An offer with Brook Lopez and draft picks is good, but since the Lakers have the potential to put All-Star center Andrew Bynum on the table, New Jersey knows it must add pieces to the pot.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/chris_mannix/02/23/diwght.howard.nets/index.html#ixzz1nLS71LY2

[eliteballer]

What else would they be doing? Probably half a dozen teams doing the same thing

[bagelred]

I wonder if Dwight Howard has ever been to Brooklyn, even once. I'm guessing no.

[Draz]

brooklyns a piece of shit hope he doesn't go there.

[GOBB]

I wonder if Dwight Howard has ever been to Brooklyn, even once. I'm guessing no.

Kind of lost on your point here.


brooklyns a piece of shit hope he doesn't go there.

I cant think of many Sixers players that actually live in...Philly. Just saying

[wang4three]

Don't bend over backwards, Billy

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Don't bend over backwards, Billy

he has to ...otherwise he is gone

[Magic731]

Kind of lost on your point here.



I cant think of many Sixers players that actually live in...Philly. Just saying
Really? Where abouts would they live? I'm from Australia so I have no idea.

[Reverend Hoops]

Besides Jay-Z cutting a side-deal, I don't see why Dwight would want to go there.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Really? Where abouts would they live? I'm from Australia so I have no idea.
Some live in South Jersey...Cherry Hill, Medford, Vorhees...

[wang4three]

he has to ...otherwise he is gone


Does he really have to? How much does Dwight want Brooklyn and to play with Deron?

As we approach the trading deadline, the Nets gain more and more leverage for Dwight cause at some point they'll have to realize that they'll lose Dwight for nothing. Seeing how no other team is willing to rent him for less than half a season, what's the alternative? The Lakers? Andrew Bynum? How compelled are the Lakers to think they are that much better off with Dwight than Bynum? What will they have to give up?

I think if you go into the negotiations with a stern proposition:This is what we're offering, this parts are interchangeable into this deal, and these players (Deron/Marshon) are completely off the table..they should be able to get something done.

[GOBB]

Really? Where abouts would they live? I'm from Australia so I have no idea.

Suburbs, outside of Philly in areas where doctors lawyers professors reside. Some athletes on other pro team like eagles and flyers live in South jersey across the bridge about 20-25mins away.

[Zackmorris]

brooklyns a piece of shit hope he doesn't go there.

It's not the 90s no more

[talkingconch]

not really breaking news or anything. I was about to post this too but realized theres not really any juice in that article.

[niko]

Does he really have to? How much does Dwight want Brooklyn and to play with Deron?

As we approach the trading deadline, the Nets gain more and more leverage for Dwight cause at some point they'll have to realize that they'll lose Dwight for nothing. Seeing how no other team is willing to rent him for less than half a season, what's the alternative? The Lakers? Andrew Bynum? How compelled are the Lakers to think they are that much better off with Dwight than Bynum? What will they have to give up?

I think if you go into the negotiations with a stern proposition:This is what we're offering, this parts are interchangeable into this deal, and these players (Deron/Marshon) are completely off the table..they should be able to get something done.
You don't think the Lakers would part with Bynum for Dwight? Of course they would. And they wouldn't have to give up too much more to match any Net offer. (assuming you are holding brooks out)

I think the NEts are clearly in the drivers seat - 100%. But I see it as very dangerous to make it where Orlando feels engaging the Lakers is a good idea. If a Bynum + Lakers 2 first rounders + trade exception to absorb Orlando's crap is on the table, i don't see how Nets get cheap.

If the Nets don't get Howard, they potenially put themselves on a path that they will have wasted years of acquired assets. Is playing hardball worth risking that? I'm not so sure, and i think if it was my job on the line, id really be hestitant to do that.

For you, its easy to say "hold out". For Billy King, holding out might get him fired. If he gets Howard, no matter what he gives up, he'll be lauded as a fantastic GM.

[InspiredLebowski]

Indy'll take Reddick/Morrow to help make the money work

[barnett114]

Too bad the Nets won't get him

[D12"Magic"]

Too bad the Nets won't get him
What make's you think?

[D12"Magic"]

I wonder if Dwight Howard has ever been to Brooklyn, even once. I'm guessing no.
He drove by the Barclay's center last summer

[alwaysunny]

brooklyns a piece of shit hope he doesn't go there.

lmao this coming from kid from Queens? Keep rooting for your Mets homeboy

[DuMa]

why is it that the nets' rumors to get dwight are only alive when brook lopez is healthy? :oldlol:

[I<3NBA]

i'm betting that the trade will happen if Nets offer Marshon together with Lopez + fillers/cash. and if I'm the nets GM, i'd do it. Deron + Howard? you do everything just to make it happen. Lopez and Marshon is a good price to pay for Howard.

[miles berg]

Lopez and Brooks are nobodies, the Magic would be better off with cap space if Dwight walks this summer.

[D12"Magic"]

Lopez and Brooks are nobodies, the Magic would be better off with cap space if Dwight walks this summer.
So your gonna say Lopez a 20 PPG guy, Brooks a young great scorer, he is only gonna get better and 2 first round pick's including a lottery one in a deep draft and the ability to absorb Hedo's contract and even Duhon's is scraps?

Your speaking of Orlando being better of with Cap Space, but forget to realize they can get rid of huge contracts in Hedo and Duhon trading with the Net's.:facepalm

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

So your gonna say Lopez a 20 PPG guy, Brooks a young great scorer, he is only gonna get better and 2 first round pick's including a lottery one in a deep draft and the ability to absorb Hedo's contract and even Duhon's is scraps?

Your speaking of Orlando being better of with Cap Space, but forget to realize they can get rid of huge contracts in Hedo and Duhon trading with the Net's.:facepalm


this is lopez's ceiling...he aint getting better....

What the fcuk are you talking about a lottery pick? they still have to play 31 games and with howard they will atleast win 15....so they will be out of lottery....

[BGriffin's Dad]

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[RazorBaLade]

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jeez i hope theyre throwing in another ball to the lakers as well

[HylianNightmare]

good

[DevilsAssassin]

http://i.imgur.com/YVBXy.jpg

Pau Gasol
Tyson Chandler
Amare Stoudmire

who's on the bench and who is starting?

[Whoah10115]

http://i.imgur.com/YVBXy.jpg




The Lakers give up Pau Gasol and...two contracts they don't want...for Carmelo Anthony and...Jr Smith AND Jameer Nelson? That's the biggest theft in the history of basketball.



And the Orlando Magic give up Dwight Howard for...Brook Lopez (I like), Marshon Brooks (I like), and...Steve Blake?! Steve Blake?!



You went from a great start to that. That part is not good. The Nets should get JR Smith, the Knicks or Nets get Steve Blake or the Lakers keep him (the Lakers should probably keep Luke Walton)...and the Magic need everyone's draft picks (and the 6 from the Nets), not to mention some random good piece.


And if the Knicks are able to get rid of both Blake and Walton, then they have to take Hedo Turkoglu.

[poido123]

The Lakers give up Pau Gasol and...two contracts they don't want...for Carmelo Anthony and...Jr Smith AND Jameer Nelson? That's the biggest theft in the history of basketball.



And the Orlando Magic give up Dwight Howard for...Brook Lopez (I like), Marshon Brooks (I like), and...Steve Blake?! Steve Blake?!



You went from a great start to that. That part is not good. The Nets should get JR Smith, the Knicks or Nets get Steve Blake or the Lakers keep him (the Lakers should probably keep Luke Walton)...and the Magic need everyone's draft picks (and the 6 from the Nets), not to mention some random good piece.


And if the Knicks are able to get rid of both Blake and Walton, then they have to take Hedo Turkoglu.

You make some good points, but JR wont be leaving NYK. Just cant see that happening after they just signed him.

[niko]

So your gonna say Lopez a 20 PPG guy, Brooks a young great scorer, he is only gonna get better and 2 first round pick's including a lottery one in a deep draft and the ability to absorb Hedo's contract and even Duhon's is scraps?

Your speaking of Orlando being better of with Cap Space, but forget to realize they can get rid of huge contracts in Hedo and Duhon trading with the Net's.:facepalm
If the Magic don't think they have a good chance to resign him, the Nets offer is very good. It's the direction i'd take, although i think you overavalue Lopez (he needs to be resigned and he won't be cheap) but i like the cap space, Marshon, and a bazillion picks.

Note: YOu are opposed to your fellow Net fans who want the Nets to say **** YOU MAGIC - TAKE WHEN WE GIVE YOU AND LIKE IT! as if Howard will be excited to take a pay cut on the Nets behalf because he loves Marshon just that much.

[D12"Magic"]

If the Magic don't think they have a good chance to resign him, the Nets offer is very good. It's the direction i'd take, although i think you overavalue Lopez (he needs to be resigned and he won't be cheap) but i like the cap space, Marshon, and a bazillion picks.

Note: YOu are opposed to your fellow Net fans who want the Nets to say **** YOU MAGIC - TAKE WHEN WE GIVE YOU AND LIKE IT! as if Howard will be excited to take a pay cut on the Nets behalf because he loves Marshon just that much.
Im probably over generalizing the situation, we just don't wanna get low-balled knowing we can have Dwight Howard in FA.

[niko]

Im probably over generalizing the situation, we just don't wanna get low-balled knowing we can have Dwight Howard in FA.
i think the nets are nuts if they can acquire him and wait till FA to save one asset. The problem with that is, if Dallas works out a S&T with the Magic that Orlando accepts, you face a situation where you need Howard to reject money to go to Brooklyn. And a situation where he'd be lobbying DWill to leave to form a superteam with him.

The Nets have gambled like crazy to make this happen. If they wind up losing Howard in a game of chicken they did not need to participate in, will you find that acceptable?

It's moot regardless, the front office's first offer was the world. Net fans want them to play hardball, the Nets are not going to. Whatever the Magic ask for, they will get, and trust me - the first time Howard steps on the court you'll shrug your shoulder and accept it.

Knick fans bitch and whine, but the Nuggets got Mozgov, who is a servicable center but not great, Gallo, who i love but not coincidentally is missing a month now that he's been paid, Felton, who got fat and lost his job, and Chandler, who the Nuggets can't really afford. Melo is sucking and we still can flip him for really good players.

:applause: Go get your star.

[Yanch856]

brooklyns a piece of shit hope he doesn't go there.

:lol

[D12"Magic"]

i think the nets are nuts if they can acquire him and wait till FA to save one asset. The problem with that is, if Dallas works out a S&T with the Magic that Orlando accepts, you face a situation where you need Howard to reject money to go to Brooklyn. And a situation where he'd be lobbying DWill to leave to form a superteam with him.

The Nets have gambled like crazy to make this happen. If they wind up losing Howard in a game of chicken they did not need to participate in, will you find that acceptable?

It's moot regardless, the front office's first offer was the world. Net fans want them to play hardball, the Nets are not going to. Whatever the Magic ask for, they will get, and trust me - the first time Howard steps on the court you'll shrug your shoulder and accept it.

Knick fans bitch and whine, but the Nuggets got Mozgov, who is a servicable center but not great, Gallo, who i love but not coincidentally is missing a month now that he's been paid, Felton, who got fat and lost his job, and Chandler, who the Nuggets can't really afford. Melo is sucking and we still can flip him for really good players.

:applause: Go get your star.
Well Dallas has no asset's to acquire for Howard, and it is still unlikely to offer both Deron and Howard the Max in Dallas.

It's gonna be hard parting with thing;s like Brook's, Lopez ( Who can be flipped as trade bait, if Howard come's in Free Agency) 2 First round pick's, one being possibly MKG. The team that could be in Free Agency is definitely a lot better than after we can trade for him. But hey, some time's you have to let go and part way;s in order to win and compete.

[niko]

Well Dallas has no asset's to acquire for Howard, and it is still unlikely to offer both Deron and Howard the Max in Dallas.

It's gonna be hard parting with thing;s like Brook's, Lopez ( Who can be flipped as trade bait, if Howard come's in Free Agency) 2 First round pick's, one being possibly MKG. The team that could be in Free Agency is definitely a lot better than after we can trade for him. But hey, some time's you have to let go and part way;s in order to win and compete.
Howard is wishy washy. If for some reason he falls in love with Dallas (has a realization he won't be able to blowoff reporters if he's in a bad mood, etc.) i don't like that from a Nets perspective, it's basically Deron going home and Howard getting max. Try arguing to Howard not to do that (Just give up the $30M. For Deron - so he can get it.) Or if they trade him to LA because Orlando and NJ get in a pissing contest over an asset and Dwight spends 3 months in the Sun, ****s some A listers, and he gets starstruck by Kobe (if the Lakers get to the second round, not impossible with Howard).

I just find it funny that at one point it looked iffy the Nets could get him and now that it looks good, Net fans want to make sure they give as little as possible.

Luckily for all of you none of you are not the GM.

[Whoah10115]

You make some good points, but JR wont be leaving NYK. Just cant see that happening after they just signed him.



Might be right, and the Nets are actually getting Dwight but they're giving up pieces too. If Smith is in the trade he cant go to LA. Either he stays in NY or goes to NJ. Or the Nets keep Brooks and Smith goes to Orlando.

[niko]

The Knicks are not dumping Melo to acquire a second PF to play with Amare (did Amare die?). If the Knicks want to trade Melo, why not call Orlando and tell them - Melo + Chandler for Howard + Turk, what do you think? The Knicks facilitating a Howard to NJ trade seems highly unlikely to me.

The trade is awful.

[All Net]

Hmm...makes sense now that Lopez is back.

[niko]

DId anyone catch DWill talking about playing with Dirk and D12 in Dallas? He's such a surly dude, looked thrilled to be answering another set of questions about next year? Does he realize that if the Nets gets Howard, they become a NY team and the one word answers and anger to the media has to stop or he'll be skewered?

[D12"Magic"]

DId anyone catch DWill talking about playing with Dirk and D12 in Dallas? He's such a surly dude, looked thrilled to be answering another set of questions about next year? Does he realize that if the Nets gets Howard, they become a NY team and the one word answers and anger to the media has to stop or he'll be skewered?
Reporter's just get that look at him, and he just keep's trolling them, I like it :roll:

[niko]

Reporter's just get that look at him, and he just keep's trolling them, I like it :roll:
You live in NY, you know he can't do that, right? He can do that because he's under the radar, but that changes next year. If he pulls that it's going to be a huge negative story. I know that sounds like "who cares" but it's really not.

Melo in the afterglow of "IM COMING HOME" stupid shit blew off the media one day and he got killed and promised not to do it again.

[D12"Magic"]

You live in NY, you know he can't do that, right? He can do that because he's under the radar, but that changes next year. If he pulls that it's going to be a huge negative story. I know that sounds like "who cares" but it's really not.

Melo in the afterglow of "IM COMING HOME" stupid shit blew off the media one day and he got killed and promised not to do it again.
I like it for now, he has been low-balling reporter's and it's getting funny and annoying at the same time. I dont mind it right now. It's going to get annoying hearing are you gonna go play in your home-town Dallas all the time.

[CLTHornets4eva]

This is a complete non story. Nothing substantive at all.

New York media is such a joke.:lol

[WeGetRing2012]

Does he really have to? How much does Dwight want Brooklyn and to play with Deron?

As we approach the trading deadline, the Nets gain more and more leverage for Dwight cause at some point they'll have to realize that they'll lose Dwight for nothing. Seeing how no other team is willing to rent him for less than half a season, what's the alternative? The Lakers? Andrew Bynum? How compelled are the Lakers to think they are that much better off with Dwight than Bynum? What will they have to give up?

I think if you go into the negotiations with a stern proposition:This is what we're offering, this parts are interchangeable into this deal, and these players (Deron/Marshon) are completely off the table..they should be able to get something done.

Why do you keep saying this? Unlike the Nets the Lakers can actually get another team invloved because Andrew is valued around the league. Meanwhile all the Nets have is Lopez & Brooks. The Magic would be dumb to trade Howard for just those guys & who else in the league would be willing to get Lopez & Brooks by trading some of their pieces?

[D12"Magic"]

Why do you keep saying this? Unlike the Nets the Lakers can actually get another team invloved because Andrew is valued around the league. Meanwhile all the Nets have is Lopez & Brooks. The Magic would be dumb to trade Howard for just those guys & who else in the league would be willing to get Lopez & Brooks by trading some of their pieces?

This is bullshit. Net's like the Lakers can get another team involved, the Lakers can not take back Hedo and Duhon, two sizable contract's the Net's can absorb.
Net's also have 2 first rounder's, which include's a lottery pick ( Don't give me that Dwight is gonna somehow lead this scrubby team to an sufficient amount a win's that it wont be a top pick).

Magic would be dumb to not shed Hedo, and even Duhon's contract's

[WeGetRing2012]

This is bullshit. Net's like the Lakers can get another team involved, the Lakers can not take back Hedo and Duhon, two sizable contract's the Net's can absorb.
Net's also have 2 first rounder's, which include's a lottery pick ( Don't give me that Dwight is gonna somehow lead this scrubby team to an sufficient amount a win's that it wont be a top pick).

Magic would be dumb to not shed Hedo, and even Duhon's contract's

The Lakers can take back Hedo's contract depending on who else gets involved. Bottom line is that the Nets don't have better assets than the Lakers.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

This is bullshit. Net's like the Lakers can get another team involved, the Lakers can not take back Hedo and Duhon, two sizable contract's the Net's can absorb.
Net's also have 2 first rounder's, which include's a lottery pick ( Don't give me that Dwight is gonna somehow lead this scrubby team to an sufficient amount a win's that it wont be a top pick).

Magic would be dumb to not shed Hedo, and even Duhon's contract's

why the fcuk u keep saying lottery pick? its not going to be....once u get howard....out of 31 games u will win 15-20 and that gets you out of lottery...next years pick is going to be as good as lakers

Devos wanted to win now...and so wanted players who could help...Lakers can get Scola any day they want for TPE

Bynum/Scola/ 2 1st rounders for Howard and Hedo works...lakers can add any or all of ebanks/morris/goudelock

[niko]

It depends on how highly the Magic value Bynum. He is the most valuable piece out there. Lopez isn't signed for next year and coming off a stress fracture. His health was a major selling point over Bynum, remember.

If they want Bynum, then the Lakers will figure something out. THe problem is the Lakers are willing to deal on their terms and the Nets (if you believe anything) are wanting to deal at all costs. Who would you bet gets it done?

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

It depends on how highly the Magic value Bynum. He is the most valuable piece out there. Lopez isn't signed for next year and coming off a stress fracture. His health was a major selling point over Bynum, remember.

If they want Bynum, then the Lakers will figure something out. THe problem is the Lakers are willing to deal on their terms and the Nets (if you believe anything) are wanting to deal at all costs. Who would you bet gets it done?


Fact is trading for Howard is a luxury for the lakers & not a necessity.
For nets they have to overpay to get Howard or else they will lose deron too. So its not only about trading for Howard but also retaining deron

Lakers need a PG in worst way & that's a necessity

[niko]

Fact is trading for Howard is a luxury for the lakers & not a necessity.
For nets they have to overpay to get Howard or else they will lose deron too. So its not only about trading for Howard but also retaining deron

Lakers need a PG in worst way & that's a necessity
Which makes it more likely Nets get Howard than Lakers.

[Whoah10115]

Lakers can get Scola any day they want for TPE






With respect, what the hell are you talking about?

[WeGetRing2012]

Which makes it more likely Nets get Howard than Lakers.

No it doesn't. Bynum is a better trade assets than anything the Nets are willing to trade. Who else in the league needs an Brook Lopez coming back from injury & Marshon Brooks??

[niko]

No it doesn't. Bynum is a better trade assets than anything the Nets are willing to trade. Who else in the league needs an Brook Lopez coming back from injury & Marshon Brooks??
You keep saying that the Lakers don't need Howard and can move on their own pace, etc. If the Lakers are that casual about Howard i don't see how they get him. The nets literally were sending every asset they could last time, their two young stars, like every pick they will ever have, taking back all the salary they could, etc.

I think the Lakers might get Howard (i just think if you look at the Magic's thinking Bynum makes more sense) but it looks like the Nets are in the lead now.

I love how before the NEt fans told me im a jerk cause i said hes going to LA and now the Laker fans are. :D

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

You keep saying that the Lakers don't need Howard and can move on their own pace, etc. If the Lakers are that casual about Howard i don't see how they get him. The nets literally were sending every asset they could last time, their two young stars, like every pick they will ever have, taking back all the salary they could, etc.

I think the Lakers might get Howard (i just think if you look at the Magic's thinking Bynum makes more sense) but it looks like the Nets are in the lead now.

I love how before the NEt fans told me im a jerk cause i said hes going to LA and now the Laker fans are. :D


its not about being jerk....its kind of funny when you talk to fans...everybody says Lakers should trade both Pau/Bynum for Howard.....but for nets they should be able to get him for Lopez/Brooks as the main guys...

Lakers are in no way going to trade both bynum and pau for Howard....just not...

[wang4three]

You don't think the Lakers would part with Bynum for Dwight? Of course they would. And they wouldn't have to give up too much more to match any Net offer. (assuming you are holding brooks out)

I think the NEts are clearly in the drivers seat - 100%. But I see it as very dangerous to make it where Orlando feels engaging the Lakers is a good idea. If a Bynum + Lakers 2 first rounders + trade exception to absorb Orlando's crap is on the table, i don't see how Nets get cheap.

If the Nets don't get Howard, they potenially put themselves on a path that they will have wasted years of acquired assets. Is playing hardball worth risking that? I'm not so sure, and i think if it was my job on the line, id really be hestitant to do that.

For you, its easy to say "hold out". For Billy King, holding out might get him fired. If he gets Howard, no matter what he gives up, he'll be lauded as a fantastic GM.


I understand the pressure Billy is under, but he has still keep a steady hand. If he's gonna fortune every asset not named Deron, it's gonna work against his favor.

[wang4three]

Why do you keep saying this? Unlike the Nets the Lakers can actually get another team invloved because Andrew is valued around the league. Meanwhile all the Nets have is Lopez & Brooks. The Magic would be dumb to trade Howard for just those guys & who else in the league would be willing to get Lopez & Brooks by trading some of their pieces?

Is he really? I haven't seen many rumors swirling about Bynum. We don't just have Brook and Lopez, we have plenty of draft picks, a less than one year contract for Kris Humphries. We have plenty of moving parts, perhaps even more flexible than LA.

[niko]

I understand the pressure Billy is under, but he has still keep a steady hand. If he's gonna fortune every asset not named Deron, it's gonna work against his favor.
its just that if we are proceeding under the thought that the talking heads are right, we also are proceeding under the thought that the nets first offer was at least ballpark accurate, and it was the world. its tough, because if Billy King gets Howard, his job is probably safe for years. If he does not, he may get fired pretty soon because the Nets will possibly lose Deron. Because of this, i can't see how he doesn't give away a lot. Especially because Prokorov is nowhere near the nets nowadays, he's pretty busy.

[strifed169]

D12 wearing a headband pretty much confirms he's going to the nets right

[R.I.P.]

I think the combination of Lopez/Brooks plus a lot of picks would be a lot more interesting, if Lopez wasn

[D12"Magic"]

As Dwayne Wade said, No matter what happen's the Nets will be the talk of the league around the deadline, just as they were last year.

There have also been talk's of Orlando not interested in Bynum


Vecsey similarly writes, "More than a few people in the know are convinced Howard will stay holed up in Orlando for the duration of the season", adding that the Magic have already passed on Andrew Bynum. Vecsey also expects other teams will try to convince Howard that they too should be added to his list of preferred destinations, starting with the Knicks.

Larry Coon also said similar thing's

[PJR]

Dwight is going to Brooklyn, with Deron. One way or another.

[B]

Williams will end up in Dallas feeding Dirk. He wants to be there he doesn't want to be in NJ

[PJR]

[QUOTE=B

[B]

Why must people pull stuff out of their rear ends like this? :oldlol:

Dallas is getting neither Deron nor Dwight. It's a pipe dream. Cuban isn't Pat Riley.We'll see. Dallas is head and shoulders above the Nets as a franchise don't fool yourself into thinking for a minute the Nets and Dallas are on the same level when it comes to the business of basketball.

[D12"Magic"]

[QUOTE=B

[niko]

:lol Vescey... :lol When is the last time he broke something, Artest to Sacramento? Seriously? D12. you live in NY and you have quoted both Isola and Vescey in recent weeks. I'm not allowing you to rep a Brooklyn team if you keep this up. Send that D12 Net jersey back.

[niko]

You guy's better clear out more space, cause you guy's can't afford both Howard and Deron right now
They can easily clear the space but it just stirkes me as bizarre. It always felt like Dallas was tacked on. Dwight wants to be with Deron, or in the brights lights of LA, and Dallas. I don't see the fit at all. I'm with you, i don't believe it.

[D12"Magic"]

:lol Vescey... :lol When is the last time he broke something, Artest to Sacramento? Seriously? D12. you live in NY and you have quoted both Isola and Vescey in recent weeks. I'm not allowing you to rep a Brooklyn team if you keep this up. Send that D12 Net jersey back.
:lol Still a source, and what about the Wade one?
These player's seem to know what's going on, even Scalibrine said everyone know's Howard is going to Brooklyn.

[D12"Magic"]

They can easily clear the space but it just stirkes me as bizarre. It always felt like Dallas was tacked on. Dwight wants to be with Deron, or in the brights lights of LA, and Dallas. I don't see the fit at all. I'm with you, i don't believe it.
Actually it's not quite easy clearing cap space, I wrote this huge summary on it in another site.

[PJR]

:lol Still a source, and what about the Wade one?
These player's seem to know what's going on, even Scalibrine said everyone know's Howard is going to Brooklyn.

BINGO!

Some of y'all have no clue how powerful CAA is. :oldlol:

[niko]

:lol Still a source, and what about the Wade one?
These player's seem to know what's going on, even Scalibrine said everyone know's Howard is going to Brooklyn.
I think he is because Isola said on the radio last week Deron is "miserable" and when push comes to shove, Orlando takes the best player with is Bynum and asked why aren't the Nets shopping Deron.

Isola says he's going to LA, must be a Net. Just waiting on Bucher. if he says Nets i'd be worried if i was you.

i think Nets because it makes sense. I think everyone talks out of their ass. watch the player movement after the all star break, if lakers are out, they'll make a move. sometime in the next week. that to me will be a sign. if nets are not in it deep enough you'll hear net rumors all over, because that will mean they don't have a good package, and they are scrambling. And people are leaking the nets called them.

And if you hear Knicks, Clippers, anyone is involved i dont think that means they are goign to get him but that means magic are trying to drive up price which means they are moving him.

i think the news you hear ancilliary means more than "dwayne wade said", etc.

[niko]

Actually it's not quite easy clearing cap space, I wrote this huge summary on it in another site.
they need to trade Marion, which is not hard (magic might even take him in S&T), Beubois, some other minor assets (which have value) and amnesty Haywood. That's not horrific. Knicks made cap space for 2 players and we were trading toxic assets.

you try to paint a situation where it's a given D12 is comign, there is none. He's flaky, and if he decides he's not coming, or someone very attractive makes a deal with Orlando, he's not coming. You are the leader though for sure. I think its like Melo situation. Knicks were clear and above favorite but if for some reason Lakers jumped in (random as it would be) or Nets called his bluff, we were done. But we got him, right?

BTW, i did what you did last year about Knicks (was confident) and the Net fans (not you) called me some nasty names. haha... ChuckOakley wrote these long lists of things the Nets were better because of
1) We have DErrick Favors
2) We have a beter pick
3) Melo has not ruled us out
4) No one is reading so it doesnt matter...

haha..

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

:lol Vescey... :lol When is the last time he broke something, Artest to Sacramento? Seriously? D12. you live in NY and you have quoted both Isola and Vescey in recent weeks. I'm not allowing you to rep a Brooklyn team if you keep this up. Send that D12 Net jersey back.

lol thanks...if a laker fan would have said this....oh we would be laker homer


Vescey is BS...seriously he is out of the "Source" network atleast couple of years now...I even prefer bucher than this guy

[niko]

lol thanks...if a laker fan would have said this....oh we would be laker homer


Vescey is BS...seriously he is out of the "Source" network atleast couple of years now...I even prefer bucher than this guy
Vescey is a dick. He has personal issues with some teams and players and fits his rumors around them. He doesn't like the Knicks because Isiah ****ed him over (and others) by not talking to them. The Knicks could trade 2 bench chairs for Howard and he'd write a column how Howard is an overrated slug and the Knicks overvalue him and ruined their team. He's such a cocky scumbag too.

THe newspaper guys have nothing unless they live in a small city where they are the media. In NY, LA, and national, you get nothing being a newspaper guy. You're a dinosaur in a dying medium.

Wojo recently made it seem like Nets were in drivers seat though on the radio and explained why, but said he doesn't rule out anything because as much as it seems Howard prefers the Nets he's heard people say he's gone back and forth.

I still say no Lakers. SORRY. :lol You don't deserve him anyway. Let someone else have fun.

[D12"Magic"]

they need to trade Marion, which is not hard (magic might even take him in S&T), Beubois, some other minor assets (which have value) and amnesty Haywood. That's not horrific. Knicks made cap space for 2 players and we were trading toxic assets.

you try to paint a situation where it's a given D12 is comign, there is none. He's flaky, and if he decides he's not coming, or someone very attractive makes a deal with Orlando, he's not coming. You are the leader though for sure. I think its like Melo situation. Knicks were clear and above favorite but if for some reason Lakers jumped in (random as it would be) or Nets called his bluff, we were done. But we got him, right?

BTW, i did what you did last year about Knicks (was confident) and the Net fans (not you) called me some nasty names. haha...
Lol, hated the Melo-drama last year, had some nice feuds though :cheers:

Anyway's here is where im gonna address the Dallas situation.

It should be clear by now that the Mavs are in no position to have anywhere close enough in cap space to offer both guys the max.

So many guy's they will have to get rid of, which includes Vince and Lamar who both have partially guaranteed deals for next year. They will have to amnesty Haywood ( they’ll probably do this anyways), plus they will have to find a taker for the last 2 years on 34 year old Shawn Marion’s deal, without taking any money back.

Even if all this happen's the Mavs would still be a couple million below being able to offer both Max deals under the new CBA. Don't compare this to the Big 3 in Miami, yeah Bosh and James both worked sign and trade deals to get themselves more money. That has been changed in the new CBA.

The Nets maintain a huge advantage in any free agency scenario because we own Deron’s Bird rights and then can go over the Cap to sign him. Dallas has to clear a sufficient amount of space for both because they don’t own either player’s Bird rights.

Nets, Deron can sign the max 5 year deal allowable and Dwight can sign the max 4 year deal allowable. With Dallas, they’d both have to take less than less imaginable. They’re both going to have to take a significant cut (more-so in Deron’s case) in order to join a thin roster in Dallas. That, or they can take max money (for Dwight, over 4 seasons) to play in the world’s largest market in a brand new arena, a GM willing to get you any player you want, a pretty decent surrounding cast, a potential lottery pick and potential other 1st pick, build your own legacy in Brooklyn .

It's far from being impossible, but a boat-load of stuff has to happen for Dallas to pull this off like bandit's, it’s not close to being as easy as some are pointing it out to be.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Vescey is a dick. He has personal issues with some teams and players and fits his rumors around them. He doesn't like the Knicks because Isiah ****ed him over (and others) by not talking to them. The Knicks could trade 2 bench chairs for Howard and he'd write a column how Howard is an overrated slug and the Knicks overvalue him and ruined their team. He's such a cocky scumbag too.

THe newspaper guys have nothing unless they live in a small city where they are the media. In NY, LA, and national, you get nothing being a newspaper guy. You're a dinosaur in a dying medium.

Wojo recently made it seem like Nets were in drivers seat though on the radio and explained why, but said he doesn't rule out anything because as much as it seems Howard prefers the Nets he's heard people say he's gone back and forth.

I still say no Lakers. SORRY. :lol You don't deserve him anyway. Let someone else have fun.

its fine....just want to get over with this drama queen episode so my team can go ahead and make some moves to improve my team

& NO the Lakers shouldnt trade both of Bynum/Pau for this guy

[niko]

Lol, hated the Melo-drama last year, had some nice feuds though :cheers:

Anyway's here is where im gonna address the Dallas situation.

It should be clear by now that the Mavs are in no position to have anywhere close enough in cap space to offer both guys the max.

So many guy's they will have to get rid of, which includes Vince and Lamar who both have partially guaranteed deals for next year. They will have to amnesty Haywood ( they’ll probably do this anyways), plus they will have to find a taker for the last 2 years on 34 year old Shawn Marion’s deal, without taking any money back.

Even if all this happen's the Mavs would still be a couple million below being able to offer both Max deals under the new CBA. Don't compare this to the Big 3 in Miami, yeah Bosh and James both worked sign and trade deals to get themselves more money. That has been changed in the new CBA.

The Nets maintain a huge advantage in any free agency scenario because we own Deron’s Bird rights and then can go over the Cap to sign him. Dallas has to clear a sufficient amount of space for both because they don’t own either player’s Bird rights.

Nets, Deron can sign the max 5 year deal allowable and Dwight can sign the max 4 year deal allowable. With Dallas, they’d both have to take less than less imaginable. They’re both going to have to take a significant cut (more-so in Deron’s case) in order to join a thin roster in Dallas. That, or they can take max money (for Dwight, over 4 seasons) to play in the world’s largest market in a brand new arena, a GM willing to get you any player you want, a pretty decent surrounding cast, a potential lottery pick and potential other 1st pick, build your own legacy in Brooklyn .

It's far from being impossible, but a boat-load of stuff has to happen for Dallas to pull this off like bandit's, it’s not close to being as easy as some are pointing it out to be.
I think you overstate the money (the tax difference between Texas and NY is huge so its not that big a deal) and i laugh at the think roster concept, if you trade for D12 your roster will have nothing just like Dallas ,except your nothing will be Hump, so role players, and their nothing will be Dirk.

I just don't see D12 and Deron's dream to go to Dallas. I think Dallas is a fallback for Deron if his grouchiness is because he secretly hates NJ. I just don't see it. But you make it sound impossible. its not impossible.

For you to get Howard A,B,C have to happen and for Dallas its like A to G. which to me makes it more likely you get him.

This week will be fun, but remember ,the initial rumor of where he goes will be wrong. (HOWARD TO GS?)

[niko]

BTW, the Bobcats like Lopez i read today. Someone mentioned that in this thread i think. Poor Lopez. He'll get paid and be in purgutory.

[D12"Magic"]

I think you overstate the money (the tax difference between Texas and NY is huge so its not that big a deal) and i laugh at the think roster concept, if you trade for D12 your roster will have nothing just like Dallas ,except your nothing will be Hump, so role players, and their nothing will be Dirk.

I just don't see D12 and Deron's dream to go to Dallas. I think Dallas is a fallback for Deron if his grouchiness is because he secretly hates NJ. I just don't see it. But you make it sound impossible. its not impossible.

For you to get Howard A,B,C have to happen and for Dallas its like A to G. which to me makes it more likely you get him.

This week will be fun, but remember ,the initial rumor of where he goes will be wrong. (HOWARD TO GS?)
We are talking about free agency here right? Net's easily have a better surrounding cast if we keep all asset's and Dwight come's over here in free agency.

I never said it is impossible for Deron and Dwight to goto Dallas, and I even stated it is far from being impossible, just not simple as many guy's are pointing out. Deron and Dwight can make the most in Brooklyn and Dallas they will have to take a cut

[All Net]

Seems most insiders seem to think Dwight stays put for now...

[B]

You guy's better clear out more space, cause you guy's can't afford both Howard and Deron right now
Where did I mention Howard. I said Williams will end up in Dallas feeding the ball to Dirk. READ then respond.

[D12"Magic"]

[QUOTE=B

[niko]

Seems most insiders seem to think Dwight stays put for now...
they are morons, they all said there is no way Orlando trades him prior to the all star game. So Orlando doesn't. So the same people say "well i guess this means Orlando is not trading him". :lol

People are so impatient for news that they feel the need to change their views. People are so impatient for news that i know 100% they will create a Howard to Knicks rumor, give it steam, and shoot it down sometime within a 24 hour period next week.

I don't see how Orlando does not trade him and also makes no other move to placate him. That's just stupid.

[D12"Magic"]

they are morons, they all said there is no way Orlando trades him prior to the all star game. So Orlando doesn't. So the same people say "well i guess this means Orlando is not trading him". :lol

People are so impatient for news that they feel the need to change their views. People are so impatient for news that i know 100% they will create a Howard to Knicks rumor, give it steam, and shoot it down sometime within a 24 hour period next week.

I don't see how Orlando does not trade him and also makes no other move to placate him. That's just stupid.

"Now, with the league’s March 15 trade deadline looming, Howard and his agent, Dan Fegan, have shown little interest recently in pushing for a deal, sources said, increasingly the likelihood the Magic will keep their star center for the duration of the season, " Spears reports.

Gonna be a long 15 day's until the dead line :banghead: Every hour we are gonna hear something new.

[PJR]

I'd put it at 60/40 Dwight gets traded to the Nets at the deadline.

The DeVos don't want to trade Dwight, but Otis Smith will probably convince them in the end that they have to get value for Dwight.

[niko]

Gonna be a long 15 day's until the dead line :banghead: Every hour we are gonna hear something new.
Plus no one is going to release info that either makes their clients look bad, doesn't serve their interests, etc. Orlando (because they are delusional) didn't want any trade chatter prior to all star weekend. We all knew that. Yet everyone is interpeting the lack of chatter as he's staying. It's amazing.

Next two weeks are going to be fun for me though, for once i doubt my team does anything so i can watch all the fun unfurl. Selfishly i wanted Howard to be traded elsewhere just to see the Nets make 17 trades in 2 weeks to build a team to convince Deron to stay. You'd have had an entire new roster by the end of the trade deadline.

[DevilsAssassin]

BTW, the Bobcats like Lopez i read today. Someone mentioned that in this thread i think. Poor Lopez. He'll get paid and be in purgutory.

Well they should have drafted in the 2008 NBA Draft, instead they drafted DJ Augustin when they already had Felton locked up for the next 2 seasons:banghead:

This could've been in their lineup if they drafted Brook Lopez instead of DJ:

Raymond Felton
Jason Richardson
Gerald Wallace
Emeka Okafor
Brook Lopez

I remember reading Larry brown was responsible for that pick:banghead:

[D12"Magic"]

Plus no one is going to release info that either makes their clients look bad, doesn't serve their interests, etc. Orlando (because they are delusional) didn't want any trade chatter prior to all star weekend. We all knew that. Yet everyone is interpeting the lack of chatter as he's staying. It's amazing.

Next two weeks are going to be fun for me though, for once i doubt my team does anything so i can watch all the fun unfurl. Selfishly i wanted Howard to be traded elsewhere just to see the Nets make 17 trades in 2 weeks to build a team to convince Deron to stay. You'd have had an entire new roster by the end of the trade deadline.
Some rumor, that Knick;s have called Magic for a Chandler, Melo swap. Thoughts?

[WhySoInsecure?]

I pray to Newton for Howard to end up playing with a real point guard.

[niko]

Some rumor, that Knick;s have called Magic for a Chandler, Melo swap. Thoughts?
I think i started that rumor, i said that the second Lin had his second good game. I don't know. It kind of takes away the dimension our team would have as a team that could outscore you, not just beat you down. The east is full of beat you down teams, hell the Nets are trying to make a beat you down team with DWIll and D12. We are a team that plays weaker defense than the top teams, better than most anyone else, BUT we can score. That's why i like the matchup against Chicago. They can't score for shit.

if its just that though i feel like we need to do it. We instantly become a contender. Our team with Howard and Lin on the pick n roll? HOward on the defensive glass?

i don't know, it doesn't feel right, does it?

Analogy, i feel like i chased this hot girl, finally got her, was super happy and then this slightly hotter girl that you wanted came in, so i tossed her away and took your girl. :lol

Regardless,i think this is a media creater rumor, Broussard suggested it and then some NY people acted like it was real.

Now if they want Amare and Chandler im totally there... :lol Otis Smith, just how bad a GM are you?

BTW Knicks will win title because im going to be away for the last month of the playoffs and im a curse.

[R.I.P.]

Some rumor, that Knick;s have called Magic for a Chandler, Melo swap. Thoughts?

Only way that happens is that the Knicks get a guarantee from Howard, cause if Lin cools off the half-blind, micro-fractured, back spasmming ;) Amare won

[D12"Magic"]

I think i started that rumor, i said that the second Lin had his second good game. I don't know. It kind of takes away the dimension our team would have as a team that could outscore you, not just beat you down. The east is full of beat you down teams, hell the Nets are trying to make a beat you down team with DWIll and D12. We are a team that plays weaker defense than the top teams, better than most anyone else, BUT we can score. That's why i like the matchup against Chicago. They can't score for shit.

if its just that though i feel like we need to do it. We instantly become a contender. Our team with Howard and Lin on the pick n roll? HOward on the defensive glass?

i don't know, it doesn't feel right, does it?

Analogy, i feel like i chased this hot girl, finally got her, was super happy and then this slightly hotter girl that you wanted came in, so i tossed her away and took your girl. :lol

Regardless,i think this is a media creater rumor, Broussard suggested it and then some NY people acted like it was real.

Now if they want Amare and Chandler im totally there... :lol Otis Smith, just how bad a GM are you?
Well that rumor popped up again today, and where do you think Howard end's up?

And R.I.P I don't think Howard would want to play in with Lin and Amar'e either

[Kiddlovesnets]

I actually hope Dwight is not traded anywhere during this season. XD

[niko]

Well that rumor popped up again today, and where do you think Howard end's up?

And R.I.P I don't think Howard would want to play in with Lin and Amar'e either
He's not leaving $30M on the table to move across the river to the other team. You're delusional. We get him he stays. Plus we'd get assurances prior. Playing for the Knicks with Lin is like a blank check (Lin is getting $10M and up offers from Taiwan, what do you think Howard would get?), and we'd be VERY good. Your homer colors are showing if you think he'd leave us.

That said i told you i think Nets. Id say Nets 50%, Lakers 30%, Other 20% whcih includes the Magic. If you want where the Knicks are we are a fraction of other. I dont think the Knicks are in the mix nor do i think we'd offer Melo and Chandler right off the bat/

[D12"Magic"]

He's not leaving $30M on the table to move across the river to the other team. You're delusional. We get him he stays. Plus we'd get assurances prior. Playing for the Knicks with Lin is like a blank check (Lin is getting $10M and up offers from Taiwan, what do you think Howard would get?), and we'd be VERY good. Your homer colors are showing if you think he'd leave us.

That said i told you i think Nets. Id say Nets 50%, Lakers 30%, Other 20% whcih includes the Magic. If you want where the Knicks are we are a fraction of other. I dont think the Knicks are in the mix nor do i think we'd offer Melo and Chandler right off the bat/
You honestly think he want's to play with Lin and Amar'e?, and he is gonna stay because 30 Million which won't be a huge loss considering he can still get paid big some where else in endorsement's and contract's.

Did you see the endorsement Rose got with Addidas? 200 Million

[niko]

You honestly think he want's to play with Lin and Amar'e?

Did you see the endorsement Rose got with Addidas? 200 Million
You think he's going to leave NY if he comes here, to go to Brooklyn to be with DWill? Are they secretly having sex? It's $30M. And exactly what is better? your PG, yeah better. The rest of our team fits around him like glue. He'd be the Leader, not DWill (it's DWill's team already).

I'm sorry, im not that homerish (id never think DWill would leave for us for example, even if we had cap space and Brooklyn fell apart. And i think the Nets get him. But this thought that Howard would reject being a Laker with Kobe (if the team stayed ok) would reject being a Knick (on a team that would instantly be second or third best in conference at worst) is a bit much to me.

Case in point, your PG is not married to your team to the level you are suggesting Dwight is. Really really? Your 10 win team?

[D12"Magic"]

You think he's going to leave NY if he comes here, to go to Brooklyn to be with DWill? Are they secretly having sex? It's $30M. And exactly what is better? your PG, yeah better. The rest of our team fits around him like glue. He'd be the Leader, not DWill (it's DWill's team already).

I'm sorry, im not that homerish (id never think DWill would leave for us for example, even if we had cap space and Brooklyn fell apart. And i think the Nets get him. But this thought that Howard would reject being a Laker with Kobe (if the team stayed ok) would reject being a Knick (on a team that would instantly be second or third best in conference at worst) is a bit much to me.

Case in point, your PG is not married to your team to the level you are suggesting Dwight is. Really really? Your 10 win team?
First off, if Dwight come's to the Net's he will be the leader, Deron know's that.
Call me a homer, I dont see Howard wanting to spend the rest of his career playing with Lin and Stat.
I never thought he would leave the Laker's Knick's on the other hand? Im sorry I just don't see Dwight making a huge fuss in Orlando just to be fine with playing alongside Stat and Lin

[niko]

First off, if Dwight come's to the Net's he will be the leader, Deron know's that.
Call me a homer, I dont see Howard wanting to spend the rest of his career playing with Lin and Stat.
I never thought he would leave the Laker's Knick's on the other hand? Im sorry I just don't see Dwight making a huge fuss in Orlando just to be fine with playing alongside Stat and Lin
Say what you want, you are assuming D12 is in love with the Nets more than your PG is who is there conditionally on the notion that he requires the best center in the league or he'll abandon the franchise who wants him to be their centerpiece.

And Howard will be the Nets best player but unless DWill and him exchange personalities i don't see how he is that team's leader. Dwill has a much stronger personality.

Im not going to argue what ifs with you but Dwights "fuss" is that he hates his team, not that he needs to be in Brooklyn. Brooklyn is his best option but not his only option. You've said things repeatedly in this thread that Dallas would be bare bones, those bones including DIRK NOWITZKI. I think you might be looking at it from the perspective of your team, a team i must point out plays like the game matters about 33% of the time.

[D12"Magic"]

Dirk is aging, he is still decent but how long?
Cuban has gutted the whole roster and is still trying to. Are you implying Deron and Dwight are gonna sign with Dallas and take a pay-cut when they can have that and more in Brooklyn and a younger and more polished team with guy's like Brook's, a lottery pick, Lopez etc.

[niko]

Dirk is aging, he is still decent but how long?
Cuban has gutted the whole roster and is still trying to. Are you implying Deron and Dwight are gonna sign with Dallas and take a pay-cut when they can have that and more in Brooklyn and a younger and more polished team with guy's like Brook's, a lottery pick, Lopez etc.
No im implying you might be looking at things from a Nets perspective when you call a cast with Dirk "nothing" or whatever you said.

Remember, Dwight wants the money. If he did not, he could just said nothing, road it out, and been a Net. He wants the money. People scoff at it but $30M is a big deal, if for some reason you get hurt (and it happens) its not recoverable.

You have BRooks. We have Fields, who looks like a star in the making again. We have Shumpert, who is not the talent Swag if offensively, but he can do things on defense that are very rare. He stops being such a chuck as he mature and he's going to be very good. Lin looks VERY good. Maybe not an all star but top 10 pg? Its possible. its been TEN games. You have morrow who is sick, but we have JR and Novak who can fill those roles.

You are assuming all your Net assets progress and the Knicks do not. That's possible but id like to think not definite.

Again, lets not debate semantics as you think he goes to Nets and i think he goes to Nets and we both agree the Lakers suck and should be contracted.

[D12"Magic"]

No im implying you might be looking at things from a Nets perspective when you call a cast with Dirk "nothing" or whatever you said.

Remember, Dwight wants the money. If he did not, he could just said nothing, road it out, and been a Net. He wants the money. People scoff at it but $30M is a big deal, if for some reason you get hurt (and it happens) its not recoverable.
Orlando is still a good team with Howard, so if they wait and don't trade Howard, there is no way Dwight leave's Orlando and 30 Million right? :rolleyes:

I called the Dallas roster thin, they need to trade literally all the good piece's beside's Dirk to clear room for Howard and Deron ( Which they will still have to take a paycut to play in Dallas). Dirk is still good but he is aging, who will they be playing with aside from them 3?

[niko]

Orlando is still a good team with Howard, so if they wait and don't trade Howard, there is no way Dwight leave's Orlando and 30 Million right? :rolleyes:

I called the Dallas roster thin, they need to trade literally all the good piece's beside's Dirk to clear room for Howard and Deron ( Which they will still have to take a paycut to play in Dallas). Dirk is still good but he is aging, who will they be playing with aside from them 3?
no, that team is broken. its like two people who hate each other and need a divorce. He needs a divorce from the Magic to be happy. I just don't think he needs to marry you next 100%. :lol

Did you get Twisted Metal yet btw? We need to set up a ISH game, winner gets Howard.

[WeGetRing2012]

Say what you want, you are assuming D12 is in love with the Nets more than your PG is who is there conditionally on the notion that he requires the best center in the league or he'll abandon the franchise who wants him to be their centerpiece.

And Howard will be the Nets best player but unless DWill and him exchange personalities i don't see how he is that team's leader. Dwill has a much stronger personality.

Im not going to argue what ifs with you but Dwights "fuss" is that he hates his team, not that he needs to be in Brooklyn. Brooklyn is his best option but not his only option. You've said things repeatedly in this thread that Dallas would be bare bones, those bones including DIRK NOWITZKI. I think you might be looking at it from the perspective of your team, a team i must point out plays like the game matters about 33% of the time.

Lol delusional Nets & Knicks fans going at it.

[D12"Magic"]

no, that team is broken. its like two people who hate each other and need a divorce. He needs a divorce from the Magic to be happy. I just don't think he needs to marry you next 100%. :lol

Did you get Twisted Metal yet btw? We need to set up a ISH game, winner gets Howard.
No, I bought the Jak and Daxter collection instead :lol
What's your PSN by the way?

[lilgodfather1]

The Cavs will help by absorbing Hedo, all we want is Orlando's 1st pick next year.

[niko]

No, I bought the Jak and Daxter collection instead :lol
What's your PSN by the way?
i bought only 3 over PSN. I don't have time to play that many games so all three was uneccesary, and i remember i liked 2 so wanted to play 3.

nikochanr3.

I also ordered THIS but im not sure you care about the type of game but i like the comic (plus my 4 yr old daughter likes it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUyMOO0e3jA&feature=related

Too many games and not enough time. But my family is going to Japan for a few weeks longer than i am so ill have a lot of time to play in June.

[D12"Magic"]

i bought only 3 over PSN. I don't have time to play that many games so all three was uneccesary, and i remember i liked 2 so wanted to play 3.

nikochanr3.

I also ordered THIS but im not sure you care about the type of game but i like the comic (plus my 4 yr old daughter likes it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUyMOO0e3jA&feature=related

Too many games and not enough time. But my family is going to Japan for a few weeks longer than i am so ill have a lot of time to play in June.
Never been a one piece fan, but the combat in that game look's good. Do you play Final Fantasy?

[niko]

Never been a one piece fan, but the combat in that game look's good. Do you play Final Fantasy?
The combat looks fantastic. I've seen longer trailers and there are tons of characters and enemies.

I used to, i didn't get much through the last one though. Once i had kids those type of games are hard because my time is limited and the story takes time to watch, so i wind up not being able to accomplish anything. The last one was gorgeous though but i didn't have much time and wound up selling it.

[D12"Magic"]

The combat looks fantastic. I've seen longer trailers and there are tons of characters and enemies.

I used to, i didn't get much through the last one though. Once i had kids those type of games are hard because my time is limited and the story takes time to watch, so i wind up not being able to accomplish anything. The last one was gorgeous though but i didn't have much time and wound up selling it.
Im still waiting for the day they revamp the DBZ video game series. And do you have WWE 12?

[niko]

Im still waiting for the day they revamp the DBZ video game series. And do you have WWE 12?
whats your PSN btw?

Yes i have it. I don't love it, i still have trouble with reversals. Its not intuitive. I played it a real lot at first and i never got great with it. Weren't we supposed to get some new DLC soon?

im hoping Yazuka of the End gets good reviews. I might get that. There's not too much i see coming out that i want. I played Asura's Wrath (i think that is the name) recently, it sucked. They barely let you control it at times.

They never revamp DBZ btw, it always looks at first like they did, and then they don't. Its always the same.

[D12"Magic"]

whats your PSN btw?

Yes i have it. I don't love it, i still have trouble with reversals. Its not intuitive. I played it a real lot at first and i never got great with it. Weren't we supposed to get some new DLC soon?

im hoping Yazuka of the End gets good reviews. I might get that. There's not too much i see coming out that i want. I played Asura's Wrath (i think that is the name) recently, it sucked. They barely let you control it at times.

They never revamp DBZ btw, it always looks at first like they did, and then they don't. Its always the same.
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I bought WWE 12 and after the first 2 weeks haven't touched it. To many game's I haven't finished it's ridiculous.

The new SSX look's good and got a good review from IGN

[niko]

xile44

I bought WWE 12 and after the first 2 weeks haven't touched it. To many game's I haven't finished it's ridiculous.

The new SSX look's good and got a good review from IGN
Did you play the demo? I liked it but i don't get why the games have to be so trick heavy. The spots where you just race and don't have to trick constantly are very few. I almost wished it was more like 1080 used to be. But yes, it does look good.

[D12"Magic"]

Did you play the demo? I liked it but i don't get why the games have to be so trick heavy. The spots where you just race and don't have to trick constantly are very few. I almost wished it was more like 1080 used to be. But yes, it does look good.
:eek: There is a Demo? I need to try that, and Twisted Metal may have to wait. SSX look's ****ing awesome.

[niko]

:eek: There is a Demo? I need to try that, and Twisted Metal may have to wait. SSX look's ****ing awesome.
yes, last week was that and naruto as demos. its a good demo, has the trick system tutorial and some races.

[guy]

One thing thats being overlooked IMO is that the Nets EVEN with Howard probably won't even make the playoffs this year. They are 10-25 right now. If Howard was traded to the Nets tomorrow, they'd need to go 23-8 the rest of the way just to get to .500, which is a better record then every team in the East besides the Bulls and Heat. The Knicks and Celtics are the 7th and 8th seed right now right under .500 at 17-18 and 15-17, but you have to think that with the talent and experience of those teams that they'll get it together and finish above .500. Isn't Howard just wasting a year of his prime if he got traded here and possibly didn't make the playoffs?

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

One thing thats being overlooked IMO is that the Nets EVEN with Howard probably won't even make the playoffs this year. They are 10-25 right now. If Howard was traded to the Nets tomorrow, they'd need to go 23-8 the rest of the way just to get to .500, which is a better record then every team in the East besides the Bulls and Heat. The Knicks and Celtics are the 7th and 8th seed right now right under .500 at 17-18 and 15-17, but you have to think that with the talent and experience of those teams that they'll get it together and finish above .500. Isn't Howard just wasting a year of his prime if he got traded here and possibly didn't make the playoffs?

the thing is they will trade away all their young assets and 3-5 1st rounders and take back Hedo and duhon....

this will ruin it for them to sign any other star to play with them....so it will be Howard/D Will and Hedo....they are NOT even getting out of 2nd round in the east

[guy]

the thing is they will trade away all their young assets and 3-5 1st rounders and take back Hedo and duhon....

this will ruin it for them to sign any other star to play with them....so it will be Howard/D Will and Hedo....they are NOT even getting out of 2nd round in the east

Like I said, they probably don't even make the playoffs this year.

I wouldn't be concerned about trading away there young assets. Everything usually falls into place once a team gets a dominant core. Role players around them are very replaceable and easy to find.

[hops and stops]

If it comes down to Dwight having to choose between playing with Deron in Brooklyn and playing with Deron/Dirk in Dallas, I think he chooses Dallas. They're coming off an impressive championship run and an even more impressive performance by Nowitzki. I think Dwight would trust the Maverick's organization to get him a ring more than a Nets organization in limbo.

But I just have a gut feeling that Mitch Kupchak, in his usual form, will find a way to get his grubby little hands on Dwight. :oldlol: