Personally, I would like to see LeBron

[KevinNYC]

get a ring this year. Mainly to put the storylines and the hate to rest. Frankly, I think it would the best storyline if Wade gets hurt and Lebron leads Miami to victory.

I'm not a Heat fan particularly, but I thought the Lebron hate was way out of proportion to any of his transgressions.

Anyone else feel like this?

[pauk]

Well yes.... but im a Lebron fan.. so who cares right? :D

[dunksby]

The only way I would want Lebron to win a ring is if he aint facing OKC in the finals and that he dominates the series.

[Clutch]

I would like to see the Heat lose again.

It's more interesting that way.

[poido123]

I need some kind of adversity for me to believe Lebron deserves a title and be among the greats of the game. Teaming up against your competition is kinda cheating your way through the hard road...

Give me a wadeless Heat, with Lebron leading the heat to the title? Yeah, I'll give him huge props for that. With a full strength Heat team the way it is now? Im more like, meh you won a title, but it cost you your soul.

[Kews1]

Yea, if lebron wins a ring this year things will stop being so dramatic about the heat all the time. So yes i would like to see them win this year.

[maybeshewill13]

I need some kind of adversity for me to believe Lebron deserves a title and be among the greats of the game. Teaming up against your competition is kinda cheating your way through the hard road...

Give me a wadeless Heat, with Lebron leading the heat to the title? Yeah, I'll give him huge props for that. With a full strength Heat team the way it is now? Im more like, meh you won a title, but it cost you your soul.

Yeah, the Heat are a brilliant team, but there are a lot of good teams out there ATM, and I think any team that wins it this year well deserves it.

If OKC don't win it this year, I hope Lebron and the Heat do.

[poido123]

I would like to see the Heat lose again.

It's more interesting that way.

I was happy for the future of the NBA when the heat didn't win the title last year. Players should not be rewarded for taking the easy road. Sure the Jordan's, the Magic's and the bird's had great teams, but they sure as hell didnt dare join their competition to win a title, they had a burning desire to beat them, they hated each other on the court, and they wanted to beat the best.

That's the difference I see with Lebron. The game is different now, its more of a business, I know that. Doesn't change the fact winning the title should be bought either or that players join their arch rivals or competition to be the best. What fighting spirit is in that? Maybe Im just getting old and the game is leaving me behind..

[Vienceslav]

I want to see Chicago east conference final and i don

[RazorBaLade]

for me it would be a much more epic storyline if he loses again. Anyone he loses to.... kobe durant rose lin.... lol either way its gigantic. if he wins its just gonna be nonstop posts me included of a guy making a mockery of competition by joining 2 superstars

if they win even once they rae gonna win like 4 of the next 6 at least no comp easily ... so boring. unless youre a bron fan I guess

[pauk]

I need some kind of adversity for me to believe Lebron deserves a title and be among the greats of the game. Teaming up against your competition is kinda cheating your way through the hard road...

Give me a wadeless Heat, with Lebron leading the heat to the title? Yeah, I'll give him huge props for that. With a full strength Heat team the way it is now? Im more like, meh you won a title, but it cost you your soul.

he was not going to the defending champions.... The Heat were an average team in the season and a team that got swept/killed in the 1st round since 2006 (yes Wade was there all the time)... Getting Bosh made them an above average team, but not a championship contender really.... They needed LeBron to win a championship....

Secondly, the whole thing about "the greats".... like Magic/Bird/Kobe/MJ never left ... lemme ask you ...

Did Magic acquire Kareem via trade and didnt Magic say he would not come to the NBA if he didnt play with Kareem & Lakers?

Did Bird draft McHale and Parish?

Did Jordan go get Scottie Pippen, then Rodman and so on?

Kobe whined, but ultimately it took Jerry West to deal Gasol to L.A.

Point is, it's not like player talent made those teams great.... The GM and pure luck really is something a player can't control.... Kobe didn't do anything to go get Gasol, it's the front office that does all that.....

It's not LeBron's fault he wasn't gift wrapped an ideal situation like Magic or Kobe was right from a rookie season where Kobe has played with stacked teams 80% of his career......

Now we can see what LeBron can do with two very good players with him -- the same opportunity Kobe has always had, the same one Jordan got, the same one Magic had, the same one Bird had........

Yeah it's too bad it couldn't happen in Cleveland, but that's not LeBron's fault that management couldn't bring in the type of talent he needs to be surrounded by...... So he took matters into his own hands to ensure that he had a good supporting cast....

So what?

Cheating your way to the hard road? Hasnt Lebron had a "hard road" enough of being a one man army for 7 years??? :rolleyes:
Who has EVER won a championship with the "hard road" Lebron had in Cleveland anyways?

Unlike Magic and so on, Lebron at least TRIED to do it the "hard road" way.... and he got closer doing it alone than anybody did in NBA history...... so dont you talk to me about "hard roads"...

Championhip teams form up one way or another, the difference is that some like i said have it all gift wraped from the get go.... so they dont have to leave... and others like Wilt, Oscar, Lebron and so on had to create such a situation for themselves after years and years and years of "hard road" like you call it....... Jordan was on the exact same spot as Lebron, but he got Pippen, then Rodman and so on....

[LakersReign]

he was not going to the defending champions.... The Heat were an average team in the season and a team that got swept/killed in the 1st round since 2006 (yes Wade was there all the time)... Getting Bosh made them an above average team, but not a championship contender really.... They needed LeBron to win a championship....

Secondly, the whole thing about "the greats".... like Magic/Bird/Kobe/MJ never left ... lemme ask you ...

Did Magic acquire Kareem via trade and didnt Magic say he would not come to the NBA if he didnt play with Kareem & Lakers?

Did Bird draft McHale and Parish?

Did Jordan go get Scottie Pippen, then Rodman and so on?

Kobe whined, but ultimately it took Jerry West to deal Gasol to L.A.

Point is, it's not like player talent made those teams great.... The GM and pure luck really is something a player can't control.... Kobe didn't do anything to go get Gasol, it's the front office that does all that.....

It's not LeBron's fault he wasn't gift wrapped an ideal situation like Magic or Kobe was right from a rookie season where Kobe has played with stacked teams 80% of his career......

Now we can see what LeBron can do with two very good players with him -- the same opportunity Kobe has always had, the same one Jordan got, the same one Magic had, the same one Bird had........

Yeah it's too bad it couldn't happen in Cleveland, but that's not LeBron's fault that management couldn't bring in the type of talent he needs to be surrounded by...... So he took matters into his own hands to ensure that he had a good supporting cast....

So what?

Cheating your way to the hard road? Hasnt Lebron had a "hard road" enough of being a one man army for 7 years??? :rolleyes:
Who has EVER won a championship with the "hard road" Lebron had in Cleveland anyways?

Unlike Magic and so on, Lebron at least TRIED to do it the "hard road" way.... and he got closer doing it alone than anybody did in NBA history...... so dont you talk to me about "hard roads"...

Championhip teams form up one way or another, the difference is that some like i said have it all gift wraped from the get go.... so they dont have to leave... and others like Wilt, Oscar, Lebron and so on had to create such a situation for themselves after years and years and years of "hard road" like you call it....... Jordan was on the exact same spot as Lebron, but he got Pippen, then Rodman and so on....

Lebronytes kill me with the "oh...Lebron had it so hard in Cleveland"gimmick. Yeah....he had it so hard in Cleveland that all y'all were chanting Cavs championship....right? Jordan spent so many losing seasons on the Bulls until he finally started winning, he never left, so going there still makes you look stupid. Just accept the fact that while Lebron may win with the Heat, he WILL NOT be on the same level as Jordan or ANY of the greats:no:

[maybeshewill13]

Lebronytes kill me with the "oh...Lebron had it so hard in Cleveland"gimmick. Yeah....he had it so hard in Cleveland that all y'all were chanting Cavs championship....right? Jordan spent so many losing seasons on the Bulls until he finally started winning, he never left, so going there still makes you look stupid. Just accept the fact that while Lebron may win with the Heat, he WILL NOT be on the same level as Jordan or ANY of the greats:no:

Did you just choose to forget how many years Lebron stayed at Cleveland, trying to win a championship? Like he said, Jordan did the same thing, but the difference was the front office of Chicago managed to eventually surround him with the calibre of players needed to win a ring.

Lebron never got that. It's ok, I get that you may be a little insecure about the fact that Lebron may win a lot of rings and then be ranked above Kobe in the GOAT discussions.

I've got no allegiance to Lebron, just calling it how it is.

[LakersReign]

Did you just choose to forget how many years Lebron stayed at Cleveland, trying to win a championship? Like he said, Jordan did the same thing, but the difference was the front office of Chicago managed to eventually surround him with the calibre of players needed to win a ring.

Lebron never got that. It's ok, I get that you may be a little insecure about the fact that Lebron may win a lot of rings and then be ranked above Kobe in the GOAT discussions.

I've got no allegiance to Lebron, just calling it how it is.


Just gotta love it how they have to PRETEND to not be Lebron fans just to try and sound objective. Lebron took himself out of the GOAT conversation the minute he decided to go to Miami. But....according to you, he can still supposedly be a GOAT?:wtf:

Stop posting cuz you truly have no idea of what you're talking about and that's literally one of the stupidest things I've EVER heard:roll:

[nathanjizzle]

i would like to see heat fans cry, get so emotionally abused by posters that they dont sign on to ish for 3 months like they did last year.

[Clutch]

i would like to see heat fans cry, get so emotionally abused by posters that they dont sign on to ish for 3 months like they did last year.
Priceless :roll:

[SwayDizzle]

i would like to see heat fans cry, get so emotionally abused by posters that they dont sign on to ish for 3 months like they did last year.
:roll: :roll: :roll: guus one gustav

[jrong]

get a ring this year. Mainly to put the storylines and the hate to rest. Frankly, I think it would the best storyline if Wade gets hurt and Lebron leads Miami to victory.

I'm not a Heat fan particularly, but I thought the Lebron hate was way out of proportion to any of his transgressions.

Anyone else feel like this?

I'm glad Wade makes a convenient prop in your LeBron fantasy. Tell me, in your envisioned scenario, is his injury career-ending or does it just take him out for this year? Is he never the same again or does he recover?

I think the best storyline would be if you get hurt this year. Because there's probably something you're good at in life, but maybe you're also standing in the way of somebody else reaching the full potential of glory they could achieve in the same activity.

So I'm sure you won't mind that, on behalf of that whoever that person is, that I wish for physical damage to befall your body. You know, just so they get their own chance to stand in the spotlight all by themselves.

And if it so happens that your body has already sustained a pattern of damage and increasing the amount of damage that it has suffered may ruin your ability to excel in this activity, that's still the best outcome, right? Because it makes the best storyline.....

[maybeshewill13]

Just gotta love it how they have to PRETEND to not be Lebron fans just to try and sound objective. Lebron took himself out of the GOAT conversation the minute he decided to go to Miami. But....according to you, he can still supposedly be a GOAT?:wtf:

Stop posting cuz you truly have no idea of what you're talking about and that's literally one of the stupidest things I've EVER heard:roll:


Honestly, do you have a metal disorder? I never said he'd be the greatest of all time, AT ALL. I said he has a chance of going above Kobe (and cracking the top 10) if he wins a few rings.

Sit down kid and get off Kobe's balls, I say one thing about Lebron having a shot at going over Kobe and you go into hulk rage mode and start making up things that i never said.

[cteach111]

I'm glad Wade makes a convenient prop in your LeBron fantasy. Tell me, in your envisioned scenario, is his injury career-ending or does it just take him out for this year? Is he never the same again or does he recover?

I think the best storyline would be if you get hurt this year. Because there's probably something you're good at in life, but maybe you're also standing in the way of somebody else reaching the full potential of glory they could achieve in the same activity.

So I'm sure you won't mind that, on behalf of that whoever that person is, that I wish for physical damage to befall your body. You know, just so they get their own chance to stand in the spotlight all by themselves.

And if it so happens that your body has already sustained a pattern of damage and increasing the amount of damage that it has suffered may ruin your ability to excel in this activity, that's still the best outcome, right? Because it makes the best storyline.....

lol, this must be painful for Heat/Wade fans. No one gives a damn about Wade/Bosh anymore. They are props at this point. Lebron is the man on that team now. That's all there is to it.

[TheAesirsFinest]

I'm glad Wade makes a convenient prop in your LeBron fantasy. Tell me, in your envisioned scenario, is his injury career-ending or does it just take him out for this year? Is he never the same again or does he recover?

I think the best storyline would be if you get hurt this year. Because there's probably something you're good at in life, but maybe you're also standing in the way of somebody else reaching the full potential of glory they could achieve in the same activity.

So I'm sure you won't mind that, on behalf of that whoever that person is, that I wish for physical damage to befall your body. You know, just so they get their own chance to stand in the spotlight all by themselves.

And if it so happens that your body has already sustained a pattern of damage and increasing the amount of damage that it has suffered may ruin your ability to excel in this activity, that's still the best outcome, right? Because it makes the best storyline.....

Glad someone posted this. People in general need to realize what they're posting before they post it - casually remarking that a serious injury to LeBron's friend and teammate would be the juiciest victory? :no:

[ThatsGame]

lol, this must be painful for Heat/Wade fans. No one gives a damn about Wade/Bosh anymore. They are props at this point. Lebron is the man on that team now. That's all there is to it.

You're a complete dumbass. Just stop posting.

[swi7ch]

i want the heat to win the next 8 champiionships

[SYM86]

Did you just choose to forget how many years Lebron stayed at Cleveland, trying to win a championship? Like he said, Jordan did the same thing, but the difference was the front office of Chicago managed to eventually surround him with the calibre of players needed to win a ring.

Lebron never got that. It's ok, I get that you may be a little insecure about the fact that Lebron may win a lot of rings and then be ranked above Kobe in the GOAT discussions.

I've got no allegiance to Lebron, just calling it how it is.

why always blame lebronze teamates? they won 60+ games for 2 seasons, the whole cleveland team was built around lebron.

and if the heat can't win it this year. they can NEVER win. this season is meant for them. but I hope the OKC beat them. will be more fun to see the heats chasing than winning.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think it would the best storyline if Wade gets hurt and Lebron leads Miami to victory.

Good one, douchebag.

[nbaballllller]

I need some kind of adversity for me to believe Lebron deserves a title and be among the greats of the game. Teaming up against your competition is kinda cheating your way through the hard road...

Give me a wadeless Heat, with Lebron leading the heat to the title? Yeah, I'll give him huge props for that. With a full strength Heat team the way it is now? Im more like, meh you won a title, but it cost you your soul.

yeah cause all the other all time greats like mj, kobe, magic, bird, shaq, etc etc had no help...

lmao gtfo

[Asukal]

His 1st ring will most likely come this season, I don't see any team beating the heat. But personally I prefer that he doesn't win a ring ever. :banana:

[SpecialQue]

get a ring this year. Mainly to put the storylines and the hate to rest. Frankly, I think it would the best storyline if Wade gets hurt and Lebron leads Miami to victory.

I'm not a Heat fan particularly, but I thought the Lebron hate was way out of proportion to any of his transgressions.

Anyone else feel like this?

Yeah dude, it'd totally be awesome if Wade got hurt. That'd be such a win for basketball fans.

[poido123]

yeah cause all the other all time greats like mj, kobe, magic, bird, shaq, etc etc had no help...

lmao gtfo

:facepalm did Jordan, Magic or Bird scurry off to another team to join their competition? NO. There's one thing getting help, theres another thing joining a fellow superstar who is direct competition to you, to win multiple championships, that is called taking the easy road...

[poido123]

he was not going to the defending champions.... The Heat were an average team in the season and a team that got swept/killed in the 1st round since 2006 (yes Wade was there all the time)... Getting Bosh made them an above average team, but not a championship contender really.... They needed LeBron to win a championship....

Secondly, the whole thing about "the greats".... like Magic/Bird/Kobe/MJ never left ... lemme ask you ...

Did Magic acquire Kareem via trade and didnt Magic say he would not come to the NBA if he didnt play with Kareem & Lakers?

Did Bird draft McHale and Parish?

Did Jordan go get Scottie Pippen, then Rodman and so on?

Kobe whined, but ultimately it took Jerry West to deal Gasol to L.A.

Point is, it's not like player talent made those teams great.... The GM and pure luck really is something a player can't control.... Kobe didn't do anything to go get Gasol, it's the front office that does all that.....

It's not LeBron's fault he wasn't gift wrapped an ideal situation like Magic or Kobe was right from a rookie season where Kobe has played with stacked teams 80% of his career......

Now we can see what LeBron can do with two very good players with him -- the same opportunity Kobe has always had, the same one Jordan got, the same one Magic had, the same one Bird had........

Yeah it's too bad it couldn't happen in Cleveland, but that's not LeBron's fault that management couldn't bring in the type of talent he needs to be surrounded by...... So he took matters into his own hands to ensure that he had a good supporting cast....

So what?

Cheating your way to the hard road? Hasnt Lebron had a "hard road" enough of being a one man army for 7 years??? :rolleyes:
Who has EVER won a championship with the "hard road" Lebron had in Cleveland anyways?

Unlike Magic and so on, Lebron at least TRIED to do it the "hard road" way.... and he got closer doing it alone than anybody did in NBA history...... so dont you talk to me about "hard roads"...

Championhip teams form up one way or another, the difference is that some like i said have it all gift wraped from the get go.... so they dont have to leave... and others like Wilt, Oscar, Lebron and so on had to create such a situation for themselves after years and years and years of "hard road" like you call it....... Jordan was on the exact same spot as Lebron, but he got Pippen, then Rodman and so on....

He didnt stay with his team, Cleveland. Instead he teamed up on a team that took away alot of his competition, regardless if they werent title contenders, Wade, Bosh, James together fills half of the dream team starters. Jordan wasnt in the exact same spot at all, he stayed with the bulls the whole time until his career was all but over, then went to the Wizards. Pippen was drafted into that team, they grew together, Rodman came over into the latter part of his career, so there is little to no correlation between Lebron and Jordan at all.

In fact, Lebron needed to stay loyal to his team, promising the city of cleveland a chip, means you need to stay there until you do. He nearly did carry a cleveland team to a chip, instead he went with the this is too hard, lets go and join my buddy wade. That my friend is the easy road, the hard road would of been to stay in cleveland and wait for something to happen there.

[SwooshReturns]

Jordan wasnt in the exact same spot at all, he stayed with the Bulls the whole time until his career was all but over, then went to the Wizards.
And only went to Washington because Krause, like a jealous / egotistical tool bag, wouldn't give MJ a job in the Bulls organization.

He went to Washington, not to ring chase (he was offered a roster spot on the Lakers when PJ took over in 2000, and he would've been the third option and potentially could have won 3 - 4 more rings to add up his total to 9 or 10 chips for giggles, but he didn't want to diminish his ALPHA legacy)

The man was so competitive, that at 39 and 40, after been retired for 3 years, after a career ending knee injury, comes back again because he feels he has something to prove against a generation of stars almost HALF his age. And does quite well holding his own, and in some cases out playing men half his age, with a lot more athletic ability.

Now THAT is a warrior. LeBron and Jordan aren't comparable. LeBron is a weak minded, yearning to be liked, twitter generation homo. Jordan had heart, loyalty, guts, and competitive desire. None of which describes character and intangibles that LeBron James has inside of him.


Pippen was drafted into that team, they grew together
Exactly, totally different circumstances. Pippen wasn't the "all star caliber Pippen" everyone thinks of in their minds until late 1990. Until then he was just a slightly above average player. MJ carried them from 1985 - 1990. That's a five to six year stretch without a significant amount of help.

In fact Pippen wouldn't have become the player he became if it wasn't for MJ's influence and competitive nature rubbing off on him EVERYDAY in practice, going head to head.

Did MJ complain and make HILARIOUS comments about his teammates? Sure.

Did MJ bolt on the town that drafted him when they couldn't beat the Pistons 2 - 3 years in a row? No.

Did MJ beg to join Bird's Celtics and form a SUPER SQUAD? No.

Was Chicago MJ's hometown? No ... but he ended up making them his second home, through complete LOYALTY and hard work.


In fact, Lebron needed to stay loyal to his team, promising the city of cleveland a chip, means you need to stay there until you do. He nearly did carry a cleveland team to a chip, instead he went with the this is too hard, lets go and join my buddy wade. That my friend is the easy road, the hard road would of been to stay in cleveland and wait for something to happen there.
Exactly.

Prime reason why LeBron DOESN'T deserve a ring. Beyond his blunders everywhere else as well. He had a chance last year, with SUPER SQUAD and his own failing on the big stage caused the team to self destruct and lose.

:facepalm

He took the easy way and STILL didn't get it done. That's karma, my friends. He will get it though, that team is too good not to do so ... and this year they are even MORE stacked.

Little did he realize if he fought, scratched and clawed in Cleveland ... everyone would ADORE him. If he won just 1 ring there, it would've been LEGENDARY. Equal to 3 or 4 rings piggy backing a fellow MVP caliber player and an elite power forward.

[KingBeasley08]

People crying about the Super Team needa calm down. Every ring is valuable. Who cares if he joined a different team to get it if he is the best player on the team?

[nightprowler10]

Not me. I would like to see one of the big three being traded away after another ringless year for solid role players and then win a ring.

Hopefully not before Chicago though.

[Lebron23]

People crying about the Super Team needa calm down. Every ring is valuable. Who cares if he joined a different team to get it if he is the best player on the team?


Kingbeasley owned this thread.

/end Thread

[pauk]

Not me. I would like to see one of the big three being traded away after another ringless year for solid role players and then win a ring.

Hopefully not before Chicago though.

No star in NBA history has ever won a championship alone... sorry.... and it will never happen...

[SwooshReturns]

No star in NBA history has ever won a championship alone... sorry.... and it will never happen...
We all know that ... it's HOW LeBron got his help.

These twitter gen homo# still don't get it.

:oldlol:

[Fudge]

And only went to Washington because Krause, like a jealous / egotistical tool bag, wouldn't give MJ a job in the Bulls organization.

He went to Washington, not to ring chase (he was offered a roster spot on the Lakers when PJ took over in 2000, and he would've been the third option and potentially could have won 3 - 4 more rings to add up his total to 9 or 10 chips for giggles, but he didn't want to diminish his ALPHA legacy)

The man was so competitive, that at 39 and 40, after been retired for 3 years, after a career ending knee injury, comes back again because he feels he has something to prove against a generation of stars almost HALF his age. And does quite well holding his own, and in some cases out playing men half his age, with a lot more athletic ability.

Now THAT is a warrior. LeBron and Jordan aren't comparable. LeBron is a weak minded, yearning to be liked, twitter generation homo. Jordan had heart, loyalty, guts, and competitive desire. None of which describes character and intangibles that LeBron James has inside of him.


Exactly, totally different circumstances. Pippen wasn't the "all star caliber Pippen" everyone thinks of in their minds until late 1990. Until then he was just a slightly above average player. MJ carried them from 1985 - 1990. That's a five to six year stretch without a significant amount of help.

In fact Pippen wouldn't have become the player he became if it wasn't for MJ's influence and competitive nature rubbing off on him EVERYDAY in practice, going head to head.

Did MJ complain and make HILARIOUS comments about his teammates? Sure.

Did MJ bolt on the town that drafted him when they couldn't beat the Pistons 2 - 3 years in a row? No.

Did MJ beg to join Bird's Celtics and form a SUPER SQUAD? No.

Was Chicago MJ's hometown? No ... but he ended up making them his second home, through complete LOYALTY and hard work.


Exactly.

Prime reason why LeBron DOESN'T deserve a ring. Beyond his blunders everywhere else as well. He had a chance last year, with SUPER SQUAD and his own failing on the big stage caused the team to self destruct and lose.

:facepalm

He took the easy way and STILL didn't get it done. That's karma, my friends. He will get it though, that team is too good not to do so ... and this year they are even MORE stacked.

Little did he realize if he fought, scratched and clawed in Cleveland ... everyone would ADORE him. If he won just 1 ring there, it would've been LEGENDARY. Equal to 3 or 4 rings piggy backing a fellow MVP caliber player and an elite power forward.
:applause:

What a haymaker to LeClown fans. :roll:

[poido123]

No star in NBA history has ever won a championship alone... sorry.... and it will never happen...

Your right. Every star has four other teammates in the starting lineup :lol

Is this the justification that you give Lebron for taking the easy road? Nice try.

[rodman91]

It would be fun to see him choke once again in finals if Bulls can't pass Heat.

[nightprowler10]

No star in NBA history has ever won a championship alone... sorry.... and it will never happen...
Read again. I said ONE of the big three, for solid role players. How the **** would that be winning alone is beyond me.

[BarberSchool]

I would like to see the Heat lose again.

It's more interesting that way.This.

Preferably losing to my Bulls, then the Bulls defeat a gelling Dallas Mavericks squad for their first post-Jordan NBA championship.

[Simple Jack]

We all know that ... it's HOW LeBron got his help.

These twitter gen homo# still don't get it.

:oldlol:

So it's about what transpired off the court that you use to rank players rather than what they do on the court. Is that about right?

[talkingconch]

he was not going to the defending champions.... The Heat were an average team in the season and a team that got swept/killed in the 1st round since 2006 (yes Wade was there all the time)... Getting Bosh made them an above average team, but not a championship contender really.... They needed LeBron to win a championship....

Secondly, the whole thing about "the greats".... like Magic/Bird/Kobe/MJ never left ... lemme ask you ...

Did Magic acquire Kareem via trade and didnt Magic say he would not come to the NBA if he didnt play with Kareem & Lakers?

Did Bird draft McHale and Parish?

Did Jordan go get Scottie Pippen, then Rodman and so on?

Kobe whined, but ultimately it took Jerry West to deal Gasol to L.A.

Point is, it's not like player talent made those teams great.... The GM and pure luck really is something a player can't control.... Kobe didn't do anything to go get Gasol, it's the front office that does all that.....

It's not LeBron's fault he wasn't gift wrapped an ideal situation like Magic or Kobe was right from a rookie season where Kobe has played with stacked teams 80% of his career......

Now we can see what LeBron can do with two very good players with him -- the same opportunity Kobe has always had, the same one Jordan got, the same one Magic had, the same one Bird had........

Yeah it's too bad it couldn't happen in Cleveland, but that's not LeBron's fault that management couldn't bring in the type of talent he needs to be surrounded by...... So he took matters into his own hands to ensure that he had a good supporting cast....

So what?

Cheating your way to the hard road? Hasnt Lebron had a "hard road" enough of being a one man army for 7 years??? :rolleyes:
Who has EVER won a championship with the "hard road" Lebron had in Cleveland anyways?

Unlike Magic and so on, Lebron at least TRIED to do it the "hard road" way.... and he got closer doing it alone than anybody did in NBA history...... so dont you talk to me about "hard roads"...

Championhip teams form up one way or another, the difference is that some like i said have it all gift wraped from the get go.... so they dont have to leave... and others like Wilt, Oscar, Lebron and so on had to create such a situation for themselves after years and years and years of "hard road" like you call it....... Jordan was on the exact same spot as Lebron, but he got Pippen, then Rodman and so on....
Pauk no matter how much you write a book on here its not gonna change the fact that Lebron left Cleveland because he knew he couldn't win it alone (despite his terrible team). He can win 1, 2, 3 championships, it will always be said. You can't compare this situation to Kobe and Shaq, Magic, or saying MJ had Pippen and Rodman. Magic didn't teamup with MJ or whatever and join up when he was in his prime. Kobe was drafted then traded to the Lakers and emerged from then on. You even heard Michael ****ing Jordan in an interview say he was trying to beat guys like Bird, Magic instead of join up with them. No, just no, no matter what you say this is the truth and the world knows, a few users on this message board saying otherwise isn't gonna change shit

Dwyane Wade and Lebron on one team in their primes is completely different. ''The Decision'' doesn't make things better either.

[The_Yearning]

I can't wait to see what excuse Lebron stans will use if Miami lose this year...

"But he's only 27! MJ was the same!"

Nope, can't use that anymore after this year.

[SwooshReturns]

So it's about what transpired off the court that you use to rank players rather than what they do on the court. Is that about right?
The hell are you talking about "ranking player"? Where are we talking about rank?

[cteach111]

...

uhh, you are SamuraiSwoosh right?

I remember you were rooting hard for Lebron to get a ring prior to the 2011 Finals. You weren't saying any of this stuff before the Heat lost in that Dallas series.

Just sayin.. :confusedshrug:

[Eric Cartman]

If Lebron wins a ring this year no one will care because he had Wade by his side. If he losses people will care because he couldn't win it with Wade. Besides what's the big deal about winning one ring? He said multiple rings and has the team to do it.

[LakersReign]

Honestly, do you have a metal disorder? I never said he'd be the greatest of all time, AT ALL. I said he has a chance of going above Kobe (and cracking the top 10) if he wins a few rings.

Sit down kid and get off Kobe's balls, I say one thing about Lebron having a shot at going over Kobe and you go into hulk rage mode and start making up things that i never said.



Did you just choose to forget how many years Lebron stayed at Cleveland, trying to win a championship? Like he said, Jordan did the same thing, but the difference was the front office of Chicago managed to eventually surround him with the calibre of players needed to win a ring.

Lebron never got that. It's ok, I get that you may be a little insecure about the fact that Lebron may win a lot of rings and then be ranked above Kobe in the GOAT discussions.

I've got no allegiance to Lebron, just calling it how it is.


Of course you never said anything about the GOAT....of course you didn't....NOW cuz you made yourself look stupid:roll:

Like I said before, stop posting

[Meticode]

You keep me under your spell.

[Simple Jack]

The hell are you talking about "ranking player"? Where are we talking about rank?

If it's not about his ranking and how playing on this team affects it, what is the issue?

[Simple Jack]

Of course you never said anything about the GOAT....of course you didn't....NOW cuz you made yourself look stupid:roll:

Like I said before, stop posting

Part of the GOAT discussion means being mentioned as one of the greatest players of all time. He clearly didn't mention anything about LeBron being the greatest of all time...

[DRose1899]

uhh, you are SamuraiSwoosh right?

I remember you were rooting hard for Lebron to get a ring prior to the 2011 Finals. You weren't saying any of this stuff before the Heat lost in that Dallas series.

Just sayin.. :confusedshrug:
Huh?
he becaming haters since bron joining the heat.

[LakersReign]

No star in NBA history has ever won a championship alone... sorry.... and it will never happen...


More of that pathetic Lebronyte logic, when you're the first one who's gonna try and give ALL the credit to Lebron and ONLY Lebron if and when the Heat win a title:rolleyes:

Hilariously stupid:hammerhead:

[maybeshewill13]

Of course you never said anything about the GOAT....of course you didn't....NOW cuz you made yourself look stupid:roll:

Like I said before, stop posting

I was referring to the top 10 GOAT rankings, not THE GOAT, otherwise I wouldn't have said a single thing about Kobe.. :wtf:

[TaLvsCuaL]

If He wins I will rejoice but I always support the underdogs.

[SpecialQue]

I think people are missing the point here.

We need to start praying every day that Wade gets hurt, just so Lebron can add more glory to his career.

[LakersReign]

I was referring to the top 10 GOAT rankings, not THE GOAT, otherwise I wouldn't have said a single thing about Kobe.. :wtf:

Yeah....uh huh....right....sure:rolleyes:

Sit down kid, you're giving me a headache with all that backpeddling:facepalm

[SwooshReturns]

uhh, you are SamuraiSwoosh right?

I remember you were rooting hard for Lebron to get a ring prior to the 2011 Finals. You weren't saying any of this stuff before the Heat lost in that Dallas series.

Just sayin.. :confusedshrug:
"Rooting Hard for LeBron", no ... I was rooting for the Bulls, but knew the Heat were too talented to beat.

I've been ashamed of LeBron ever since "the decision" ... I would've been slightly okay with them winning last year, and then this dude showed his pussay lips in the Finals and didn't even try causing his team to lose.

Once again I managed to lose even more respect for the guy.

Didn't even think it was possible, either.

[returnofthemack]

Glad someone posted this. People in general need to realize what they're posting before they post it - casually remarking that a serious injury to LeBron's friend and teammate would be the juiciest victory? :no:


if the heat have to win a title this year i hope it happens with lebron going down with a postseason ending injury that also ruins his chances of ever playing at the level he has been playing at for the last few years. i want to see the heat win a ring with lebron on the bench in a suit as the cheerleader. thats about all he deserves that punk

[brantonli]

Cheating your way to the hard road? Hasnt Lebron had a "hard road" enough of being a one man army for 7 years??? :rolleyes:
Who has EVER won a championship with the "hard road" Lebron had in Cleveland anyways?

Unlike Magic and so on, Lebron at least TRIED to do it the "hard road" way.... and he got closer doing it alone than anybody did in NBA history...... so dont you talk to me about "hard roads"...

Championhip teams form up one way or another, the difference is that some like i said have it all gift wraped from the get go.... so they dont have to leave... and others like Wilt, Oscar, Lebron and so on had to create such a situation for themselves after years and years and years of "hard road" like you call it....... Jordan was on the exact same spot as Lebron, but he got Pippen, then Rodman and so on....

http://thesportsfanjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/thedream2.jpg

Sure his second championship his cast was a lot better, but that first one? And the teams Hakeem beat were just as or better than the teams LeBron faced.




*quietly celebrates another excuse to bring Hakeem up on ISH* jlauber don't attack me!!!!!

[stevieming]

I need some kind of adversity for me to believe Lebron deserves a title and be among the greats of the game. Teaming up against your competition is kinda cheating your way through the hard road...

Give me a wadeless Heat, with Lebron leading the heat to the title? Yeah, I'll give him huge props for that. With a full strength Heat team the way it is now? Im more like, meh you won a title, but it cost you your soul.

I second that, Wade to go down injured for the season and Bosh too...that's the only way Lebron will redeem himself in my eyes.

[All Net]

I second that, Wade to go down injured for the season and Bosh too...that's the only way Lebron will redeem himself in my eyes.

You have super high standards then...

[stevieming]

or instead Lebron can go down with season ending injury, then Wade and Bosh win the title without him :roll:

Man, the ISH posters and analysts would have a field day....

[stevieming]

You have super high standards then...

It's how much I dislike Lebron right now...:ohwell:

[SpecialQue]

Hey, wouldn't it be cool if Wade and Bosh were both injured? Maybe Haslem too, just for good measure? That'd be awesome and Lebron's finals victory would be even GREATER.

Maybe Wade and Bosh could have, like, career-ending injuries, and then Lebron would be awesome all on his own again. No more questions about who's team it is anymore!

This is clearly something we need to be hoping for.

[KevinNYC]

I'm glad Wade makes a convenient prop in your LeBron fantasy. Tell me, in your envisioned scenario, is his injury career-ending or does it just take him out for this year? Is he never the same again or does he recover?

I think the best storyline would be if you get hurt this year. Because there's probably something you're good at in life, but maybe you're also standing in the way of somebody else reaching the full potential of glory they could achieve in the same activity.

So I'm sure you won't mind that, on behalf of that whoever that person is, that I wish for physical damage to befall your body. You know, just so they get their own chance to stand in the spotlight all by themselves.

And if it so happens that your body has already sustained a pattern of damage and increasing the amount of damage that it has suffered may ruin your ability to excel in this activity, that's still the best outcome, right? Because it makes the best storyline.....

On the one hand you understand it's not real, then on the other you imagine it causes a career ending injury and this gets you so upset, you wish me injury.


Take a deep ****ing breathe. It's hypothetical.

[Poodle]

i'd like to see the Cav's KO the Heat in the 1st round. lebron would be so pissed...make it happen God :bowdown:

[All Net]

i'd like to see the Cav's KO the Heat in the 1st round. lebron would be so pissed...make it happen God :bowdown:

Wouldn't be in the Cavs interest to get anywhere near the playoffs.

[Poodle]

Wouldn't be in the Cavs interest to get anywhere near the playoffs.


it would be in the Cav's interest to make lebron mad tho :bowdown:

[maybeshewill13]

Yeah....uh huh....right....sure:rolleyes:

Sit down kid, you're giving me a headache with all that backpeddling:facepalm

Haha sure thing pal. The fact you think anyone would mention Kobe in any GOAT (#1 not top 10, I have to spell it out for you apparently) discussion says enough about your logic.

[JohnnySic]

I would like to see the Heat lose in the first round and Stern die of shock. But that's just me.

[LakersReign]

Haha sure thing pal. The fact you think anyone would mention Kobe in any GOAT (#1 not top 10, I have to spell it out for you apparently) discussion says enough about your logic.


Still too stupid to realize that you're(maybeshewill) the moron who tried to put Lebron in the GOAT conversation in the first place. Even though Lebron CAN'T be a GOAT on SOMEBODY ELSE'S TEAM....huh?!:roll:




Nice try:applause:

[gilalizard]

get a ring this year. Mainly to put the storylines and the hate to rest. Frankly, I think it would the best storyline if Wade gets hurt and Lebron leads Miami to victory.

I'm not a Heat fan particularly, but I thought the Lebron hate was way out of proportion to any of his transgressions.

Anyone else feel like this?

You'd like to see a player get a serious injury so lebron can look like a hero?

And the best storyline would be the douchiest, most stacked team in the league get beat by the underdogs AGAIN.

[maybeshewill13]

......is really all this a**clown(maybeshewill) can say now, when he's the one who's ret**ded enough to try and put Lebron in the GOAT conversation...even though Lebron CAN'T be a GOAT on SOMEBODY ELSE'S TEAM.:roll:




Nice try:applause:

Are you really that upset some guy on the internet said Kobe couldn't ever be considered for GOAT? This is getting old, your responses have turned from arguing to just pure insults, which means you've got nothing intelligent left to say.

Fact: I never said Lebron would be THE GOAT. I don't believe he can ever be at all (unless he wins 10 rings in a row while being THE man, which we all know isn't going to happen). So calm down, take a breath and carry on with your life.

If you can't accept it and move on, that's kool, but I'm over it, it's getting pathetic.

[LakersReign]

Are you really that upset some guy on the internet said Kobe couldn't ever be considered for GOAT? This is getting old, your responses have turned from arguing to just pure insults, which means you've got nothing intelligent left to say.

Fact: I never said Lebron would be THE GOAT. I don't believe he can ever be at all (unless he wins 10 rings in a row while being THE man, which we all know isn't going to happen). So calm down, take a breath and carry on with your life.

If you can't accept it and move on, that's kool, but I'm over it, it's getting pathetic.


So....according to you(maybeshewill), even though none of that has anything to do with me, I'm still supposed to be mad that you(maybeshewill) embarrassed yourself by being dumb enough to put Lebron in a GOAT conversation, he never belonged in to begin with?!:wtf:



Good luck with that:rolleyes:

[Micku]

I think the opposite would be more interesting. The idea that Wade and Bosh could win a championship without LeBron would cause a media uproar and be more interesting to talk about than LBJ winning without Wade.


And there are a few players who did ended up winning it all without a star player. The most recent is Dirk. I don't think he had any all-stars on his team, and the league thought Dallas would either lose in the first round or the second. Not only did he swept the Lakers, he ended up beating LeBron and Wade. The fact that Miami Heat had more talent than Dallas, and LBJ piss poor play was big. And if Dirk could do it, LBJ could've done if he stayed with the Cavs. Duncan did it with the Spurs. Hakeem did it with the Rockets. So, it's not like it can't be done.

[bwink23]

I think the opposite would be more interesting. The idea that Wade and Bosh could win a championship without LeBron would cause a media uproar and be more interesting to talk about than LBJ winning without Wade.


And there are a few players who did ended up winning it all without a star player. The most recent is Dirk. I don't think he had any all-stars on his team, and the league thought Dallas would either lose in the first round or the second. Not only did he swept the Lakers, he ended up beating LeBron and Wade. The fact that Miami Heat had more talent than Dallas, and LBJ piss poor play was big. And if Dirk could do it, LBJ could've done if he stayed with the Cavs. Duncan did it with the Spurs. Hakeem did it with the Rockets. So, it's not like it can't be done.


Playing with "all-stars" is overrated as hell. It's about who steps up their game in the playoffs, all-star or not....and Jason Terry and JJ Barea did just that. And it doesn't have to be all the time either, but stepping up in the most critical times.

[SwooshReturns]

You can win without another superstar.

MJ won w/o a co-superstar.
Hakeem won w/o a co-superstar.
Duncan won w/o a co-superstar.
Dirk won w/o a co-superstar.
Bird won w/o a co-superstar.

Superstar is a top five caliber player.

Wade is a co-superstar.