Wilt Chamberlain free throw dunks:

[CavaliersFTW]

And if he actually used to "dunk" it from the FT-line, just show me one source with some kind of clip or picture that can prove it.

All I'm asking for is one actual clip or any kind of footage that proves that Wilt even could dunk from the FT-line. I'm not even talking about how it looked when he was going to "shoot" them FT's, in general, when did Wilt ever dunk from the FT-line? And no quote...

The NCAA Coach's Committee Proposal For 1956 NCAA Rule Changes
March 24, 1956
(Nationally Circulated Story)
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Near the end of the 1955-56 NCAA season, the Coaches Committee appears to have organized, and voted on taking 4 new rule change suggestions too the next level up (The Rules and Regulations Committee) in the hopes for some new changes that would further diminish the dominance of athletic big men in college basketball. This curtails 2 rule changes that were made the prior season to address the big man dominance of Bill Russell and the other (now forgotten) NCAA stud at the time Bill Uhl. Both of whom were graduating in the next few months - these new rules are quietly focused on the up and coming NCAA big man, Wilt Chamberlain. Highlighted, is 2 rule proposals that are important to note. Releasing the ball from behind the free throw line, and no inbound passes above the backboard.

Two days later: Basketball Rules and Regulations Committee Approves Rule Changes
March 26, 1956
(Nationally Circulated Story)
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Highlighted: Another rules change says no player may have his foot into the free throw lane when a free throw is attempted until the ball hits the cylinder or backboard. Previously a player could leap into the lane so long as his foot did not touch the floor until the ball hit the cylinder or backboard. "This caused some cheating" said Hayes. "The man on the free throw line would leap into the air and dunk the ball in."
Interestingly, although they mention Wilt directly in the beginning of this article there is still no specification as to who the cheating free throw dunker/'s is/are. But they definitely are convinced one/some exists. Who could he/they be?... Some of those "unathletic white guys" of that era? Hmmm....

Eight Months Later, A Northwest Ohio Newspaper Runs A Story That Reveals The Previously Unspecified Free Throw Dunker
November 28, 1956
The Toledo Blade
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The Devil is in the details... And now we've got some. It looks like a fellow by the name of Tex Winter (the coach at Kansas State) was the first man to complain of Wilt Chamberlain dunking free throws to the Coaches Committee.
It seems Wilt has an unorthodox method of shooting free throws. The big guy takes aim at the basket from several feet behind the line. Then he takes about three giant steps, leaves his feet before reaching the line, and stuffs the ball through the hoop. Under the old rule, it was perfectly legal as Wilt never touched the floor before letting go of the ball. In addition his percentage was fantastic. "Why, he would have had a free throw percentage of 100," said [Tex] Winter. "He never missed." Incidentally the rules committee did not mention Chamberlain by name as a reason for the change. The rule change was made, according to the committee, "to prevent freak activity."

http://i.imgur.com/3B2Vs.png
The closest image that exists that shows him taking off near the free throw line. No, of course this isn't the same as the described NCAA free-throw line dunks. Sorry - it's just the next best thing to show he can dunk and leap from near a free throw line. As much as people think photographic or video proof should exist - for w/e reason photographers decided not take pictures of Wilt "fooling around" in the gym as an ineligible freshmen. Which I'm about to touch base on in the next historical piece of information:

Thirty-Three Years Later, Wilt, For The First Time In His Life, Publicly Makes Mention That He Used To Dunk Free Throws As A Freshman In College
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-02-12/sports/sp-2996_1_basketball-player/5
Los Angeles Times
February 12, 1989
"When I was a freshman, I fooled around with shooting free throws this way: For some reason, I thought you had to stay within the top half of that free-throw circle, so I would step back to just inside the top of the circle, take off from behind the line and dunk. They outlawed that, but I wouldn't have done it in a game, anyway. I was a good free throw shooter in college."
Actually he was a 62% free throw shooter, which is poor except in comparison to his 51% as a pro.
Yes, this is the first time Wilt ever even publicly mentions free-throw dunks. Seeing as how he lived in Kansas and how internet newspaper archive's didn't exist from 1956-1989, do you think Wilt ever read the "Toledo Blade"s November 28th 1956 article that mentioned Tex Winter's eye-witness account of Wilt dunking free throws? Why does Wilt state that he only fooled around with doing it as a freshmen in college, isn't that a rather fitting, and specific piece of information based on the previous independent pieces of evidence? ... And does that specific information not tie in eerily perfect with what Tex Winter's is about to say in the very next interview?:

Fifty-Five Years Later Tex Winter Recalls His Eyewitness Account In Detail In An Interview About Coaching Against Wilt Chamberlain
BBall Breakdown
August 1st, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyz-FhP2ONk&t=3m16s
Literally, almost word for word what he says perfectly matches every event that previously was recorded in history. Wilt and Tex never personally met. Wilt and the majority of basketball fans probably never had access to the Toledo Blade unless they lived in Northwest Ohio. Yet all of this is making incredibly good sense, and is spot on, including side-note information like Tex shedding light on why other rule changes made plays illegal such as lobbing the ball over the backboard to Chamberlain on inbound plays. There aren't any holes in the evidence of this at all.

[mrpibb]

The amount of Wilt hate on this board is hilarious. I'm sure Deuce Bigalow will come in with some skewed statistics within the next ten hours. Because that's all Deuce does -- attack players.

[jstern]

http://i.imgur.com/3B2Vs.png

Still haven't read, but that image looks more to me like he was grabbing a rebound. I mean he's jumping off his right leg, with the ball in his right hand, in a sort of weird position. If he were to do a free throw line type dunk, being a righty, he would jump off his leg, with his right leg going forward, ball on right hand, and vice versa if he were lefty.

[millwad]

Listen, OP, you seem butthurt.
It's one thing to dunk from the FT-line and it's another thing to dunk from the FT-line with the small steps like Jlauber claim that Wilt did. It's not possible to dunk from the FT-line without a certain amount of speed and 3 small steps ain't going to do it...:facepalm

Are we supposed to believe that Wilt had the greatest leaping ability in league history?

[Shade8780]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/157/234/99124221did_not_read.gif

[millwad]

And haha, you missed my "no quotes" part obviously.

[mrpibb]

That's a pretty awkward rebound. I'd say he's going up for a layup, but I'll take Cavaliers word for it.

millwad, quit trying to act like you're right.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://i.imgur.com/3B2Vs.png

Still haven't read, but that image looks more to me like he was grabbing a rebound. I mean he's jumping off his right leg, with the ball in his right hand, in a sort of weird position. If he were to do a free throw line type dunk, being a righty, he would jump off his leg, with his right leg going forward, ball on right hand, and vice versa if he were lefty.

In that era the paint was always crowded with bodies unless one team/player out ran the rest. The paint in that image is wide open. Wilt is taking off, and the two players look like they're slowing down giving up on a chase. This is almost certainly a fast break play. Not a rebound. There's nobody else in sight except him, two guys and a ref that's also running forward.

[millwad]

That's a pretty awkward rebound. I'd say he's going up for a layup, but I'll take Cavaliers word for it.

millwad, quit trying to act like you're right.

All I asked for was a freaking photograph, some kind of record or video footage of anything even close to a free throw line dunk...

We've heard them Wilt quotes before, according to quotes he had a 50 inch vertical and he was a worldclass volleyball player while in fact he played in a league where women and men played on the same teams, for ONE year...

[mrpibb]

So they made a rule based on a rumor? A rumor?

[CavaliersFTW]

Listen, OP, you seem butthurt.
It's one thing to dunk from the FT-line and it's another thing to dunk from the FT-line with the small steps like Jlauber claim that Wilt did. It's not possible to dunk from the FT-line without a certain amount of speed and 3 small steps ain't going to do it...

Are we supposed to believe that Wilt had the greatest leaping ability in league history?

:D Did he, or did he not take 3 steps to dunk a free throw.

Yes or No?

[millwad]

In that era the paint was always crowded with bodies unless one team/player out ran the rest. The paint in that image is wide open. Wilt is taking off, and the two players look like they're slowing down giving up on a chase. This is almost certainly a fast break play. Not a rebound. There's nobody else in sight except him, two guys and a ref that's also running forward.

Why would he jump with his right foot? Anyway, that picture doesn't prove anything at all, as usual.

[CavaliersFTW]

So they made a rule based on a rumor? A rumor?

:facepalm

read the papers lol

Tex Winter - Chairmen of the NCAA Coaches Committee flat out claims he witnessed it. Not a "rumor". It all falls on him. Send him a letter in the mail if you want to criticize someone, he's the eyewitness. Chamberlain also later claimed he did it, independently of that. And his story and Tex's story matched with an identical time frame (his freshman year in college). Too many things are a coincidence here. Don't be stupid :hammerhead:

[mrpibb]

Read my previous posts.

[millwad]

:D Did he, or did he not take 3 steps to dunk a free throw.

Yes or No?

Are you retarded?
I challenged the nonsense your buttyboy Jlauber put up on here regarding the 3 small step dunk from the FT-line.

Ibaka can dunk from the FT-line but he's an athletic freak and he needed a full court run to do it, the nonsense about the 3 small step dunk from the FT-line is obvious BS.

If Ibaka could maybe Wilt could as well, I never challenged that..

[CavaliersFTW]

Why would he jump with his right foot? Anyway, that picture doesn't prove anything at all, as usual.

Did he, or did he not take 3 steps to dunk a free throw.

Yes or No?

:D

[32jazz]

The amount of Wilt hate on this board is hilarious. I'm sure Deuce Bigalow will come in with some skewed statistics within the next ten hours. Because that's all Deuce does -- attack players.

:oldlol:

If is not on ESPN those losers don't believe it's so. Because Wilt didn't have this hyper media attention as modern players it's hard for the ignorant to believe he was so great.

Tex Winter will be labeled as senile or liar or both I guess:rolleyes:

Thank you CavaliersFTW:bowdown:

[CavaliersFTW]

Read my previous posts.

oh my bad!

[millwad]

:facepalm

read the papers lol

Tex Winter - Chairmen of the NCAA Coaches Committee flat out claims he witnessed it. Not a "rumor". It all falls on him. Send him a letter in the mail if you want to criticize someone, he's the eyewitness. Chamberlain also later claimed he did it, independently of that. And his story and Tex's story matched with an identical time frame (his freshman year in college). Too many things are a coincidence here. Don't be stupid :hammerhead:


Just like Wilt had eyewitnesses of how he could grab a coin and change it a la top of the backboard... We've heard about these eyewitnesses before and we've heard the most silly things ever a la Wilt's volleyball skills, a la Wilt's shooting skills, a la Wilt crushing toes skills, a la Wilt's 50 inch vertical...

[CavaliersFTW]

:oldlol:

If is not on ESPN those losers don't believe it's so. Because Wilt didn't have this hyper media attention as modern players it's hard for the ignorant to believe he was so great.

Tex Winter will be labeled as senile or liar or both I guess:rolleyes:

Thank you CavaliersFTW:bowdown:

Gotta be both because being senile doesn't account for why he said the EXACT same thing alllllllllll the way back in November of 1956 :D

[mrpibb]

So an opposing coach decided to exaggerate and enact a new rule... just 'cause?

[CavaliersFTW]

Just like Wilt had eyewitnesses of how he could grab a coin and change it a la top of the backboard... We've heard about these eyewitnesses before and we've heard the most silly things ever a la Wilt's volleyball skills, a la Wilt's shooting skills, a la Wilt crushing toes skills, a la Wilt's 50 inch vertical...

Did he, or did he not take 3 steps to dunk a free throw, as per Tex Winter's EXTREMELY SPECIFIC description of the event from both 1956, and his recollection in 2011.

Yes or No?

:D

[CavaliersFTW]

So an opposing coach decided to exaggerate and enact a new rule... just 'cause?

:roll:

[mrpibb]

Is it past your bedtime, millwad? Where's your response? Oh, I get it. You want to photograph it so that everyone knows your response happened.

[millwad]

Is it past your bedtime, millwad? Where's your response? Oh, I get it. You want to photograph it so that everyone knows your response happened.

Actually it's in the middle of the day in Sweden, cutie.
And idiot, I never challenged that, I challenged that Wilt could dunk from the FT-line with 3 small steps..:facepalm

Now I couldn't care what Tex Winter says but I think it's possible that Wilt could do it with full speed.

[mrpibb]

Are you sure it's not naptime?

[32jazz]

Gotta be both because being senile doesn't account for why he said the EXACT same thing alllllllllll the way back in November of 1956 :D

Just like the Obama birth certificate announcements, in Hawaiian newspaper's, I guess there was a conspiracy between the NCAA Rules Committee, Tex Winter & newspapers to assure Wilt future GOAT status:oldlol:

Wilt's the Manchurian Player?

In the face of credible evidence these nuts still want to dispute this :facepalm

Reminds me of the Obama 'Birthers' or the 9/11 'Truthers'.

Just dismiss these clowns as 'Wilt Truthers' from now on.

[kumquat]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/157/234/99124221did_not_read.gif

Holy shit dude dances like George Bush

[mrpibb]

Are you sure you're not a second creation of Wilt's dick in your filthy grandmother's ******? Phagg0t mormon.. :facepalm
:oldlol: u mad, bro?

I actually am not a Wilt nut-hugger. But I do call out the half-assed illogical bullshit some of his haters spew. And that's what happened here. What have I said in this thread that was incorrect?

I never saw him play. Apparently, you've never seen him play either. I don't need a photograph to tell me that Hitler committed suicide or that Bin Laden's dead.

So what's your problem? You're wrong. I've been wrong on this board many times, but I man up. This ****** mormon has got more balls than you do, "cutie."

[CavaliersFTW]

Actually it's in the middle of the day in Sweden, cutie.
And idiot, I never challenged that, I challenged that Wilt could dunk from the FT-line with 3 small steps..:facepalm

Now I couldn't care what Tex Winter says but I think it's possible that Wilt could do it with full speed.

There is no piece of historical evidence to ever suggest he ran full speed. All historical evidence, quite contrarily, is extremely specific and describes in detail how he took just 3 steps. In fact, 3 steps is literally his exact approach method to practice and compete in the high jump - which also falls within this exact time period. Another Coincidence?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

:hammerhead:

So I'll ask again, did Wilt take 3 steps to dunk a free throw?

Yes, or No

:D

[mrpibb]

Yes or no?

[millwad]

No, not possible.
Many players with much greater leaping ability and much better verts couldn't do it. Wilt's physic is crazy overrrated, so is his goofy looking skillset.

[mrpibb]

So they made a rule based on a rumor started by an opposing coach, and a rumor that would reap no actual benefit?

Or maybe, Serge Ibaka isn't Wilt Chamberlain. Just a thought.

[32jazz]

No, not possible.
Many players with much greater leaping ability and much better verts couldn't do it. Wilt's physic is crazy overrrated, so is his goofy looking skillset.

I'll take Tex Winter's eyewitness account over the convoluted theories of an angry Wilt Truther.

Did Wilt bang your Mother or Grandmother back in the day or something?

[CavaliersFTW]

No, not possible.
Many players with much greater leaping ability and much better verts couldn't do it. Wilt's physic is crazy overrrated, so is his goofy looking skillset.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You just dug your grave and buried yourself!

:lol

Nobody with a brain is going to counter such a bombardment of perfectly laid out evidence. The 3-step High Jump footage is the icing on the cake! Your opinion is F_CKED bro!

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

[millwad]

I'll take Tex Winter's eyewitness account over the convoluted theories of an angry Wilt Truther.

Did Wilt bang your Mother or Grandmother back in the day or something?
Haha, so awkward dude... And bang? Hahaha, go down on Wilt sone more...
A mormon acting bad ass... :facepalm

[millwad]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You just dug your grave and buried yourself!

:lol

Nobody with a brain is going to counter such a bombardment of perfectly laid out evidence. The 3-step High Jump footage is the icing on the cake! Your opinion is F_CKED bro!

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

"Evidence" the Wilt way...

[Asukal]

The amount of Wilt hate on this board is hilarious. I'm sure Deuce Bigalow will come in with some skewed statistics within the next ten hours. Because that's all Deuce does -- attack players.

It's not hating on Wilt, most fans here consider him at least top 5 all time with some who puts him in the GOAT status. Me personally I dislike how his stans would believe everything they read or hear about him and preach it as gospel. :facepalm

Also regarding Tex Winter's interview, he said Wilt wasn't on top of the circle but was 3 steps behind it. So at minimum, if Wilt could dunk his free throw he would need at least 4-5 steps to get to the line since he was 3 steps behind the circle. It might be possible but highly unlikely. :rolleyes:

Also in that Wilt statement, he said he was inside the circle in dunking his free throw. Being inside the circle and taking 3 small steps to dunk the free throw is entirely different from being 3 steps behind the circle as Tex described. So which is which? :confusedshrug:

[PTB Fan]

Interesting.. and the post above has a nice point.

[blablabla]

wasn't wilt a long jumper in hs with his size and wing span it's not unbeliveable

[brain drain]

If Wilt lived today, there's no doubt that he'd be able to outrun Usain Bolt.

There's also no doubt that he would've dominated Lance Armstrong on a bike.

Here's my proof:

Phil Jackson once visited France during the offseason, and when he rode his Harley up the mountain to L'Alpe d'Huez, he was overtaken by Wilt who was riding uphill backwards on a broken unicycle while simultaneously shagging several women. And Wilt was already 57 when that happened.

Since that day, there's no doubt in Phil's mind that Wilt easily would've dominated Lance Armstrong had he put his mind to it.

[dunksby]

Who cares if he could dunk it from his own court when he could not make a god damn free throw to save the day. Dude was a loser, if he was the GOAT he would be able to work on his free throws and would not go 1-11 when it mattered.
At the end of the day if you are too retarded to master a basic Basketball skill you are not a basketball player.

[Kblaze8855]

I do kinda wonder what guys with a crazy standing reach could do in such a situaiton. Wilt had a 9'6'' standing reach, long jumped 20+ feet as a matter of track event record, and had a nice broad jump. He only needed to be 6 inches off the ground to touch the rim. Ive seen a picture of him palming a ball and just reaching up and touching it to the rim. I cant find it now but here he is in high school...before he stopped growing:

http://i26.tinypic.com/1564gfq.jpg


And here as a globetrotter

http://i28.tinypic.com/2dbs4yu.jpg

I cant say that second rim is regulation but as I said...ive seen him just touch a ball to the rim from the ground so I wouldnt doubt it.

And Tex didnt say wilt was inside the top of the key. He said "He wasnt at the top of the circle but he was about 3 steps behind it" and then he ran up and dunked it.

Considering the wide range of guys we have seen do Ft line dunks without so much as struggling to get there...guys not even considered especially athletic? The big guys like Toni Kukoc and Jeff foster? Keith Van Horn could do it in the 90s. Athletes no doubt but not guys who spring to mind as the best athletes. They arent exactly Larry nances or Tom Chambers or Shawn Kemps.

I suspect the huge standing reach of bigmen really knocks a lot of the difficulty off doing long distance dunks. They only need to just barely be off the ground by the time they make it.

A 7'1''+ guy with a 9'6'' or more standing reach who can palm the ball and just bang it on the rim on his toes?

Its pretty much asking if I believe Wilt could take a few steps and still be....8-9 inches off the ground after 15 feet.

I dont know that id dispute it.

When I see a guy like young Kareem dunk I bet he could take off from 12 feet and dunk and it wouldnt even look nice. Hes too close flat footed.

Look how Ralph Sampson does it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz8FZ-AYWY0

Im not sure he couldnt do that from about the 3 point line. Hes barely off the ground and he made it look effortless.

Tall guys make this hard to call....

[32jazz]

Who cares if he could dunk it from his own court when he could not make a god damn free throw to save the day. Dude was a loser, if he was the GOAT he would be able to work on his free throws and would not go 1-11 when it mattered.
At the end of the day if you are too retarded to master a basic Basketball skill you are not a basketball player.

"loser"? :oldlol: That from some internet guy criticizing a man with 2 finals MVP''s & he thinks Wilt's the 'loser':rolleyes:

If Wilt's a 'loser' then players like Jerry 'Mr. Choke' West, Nash, Barkley, Big O, KG, Dr J, etc....... :facepalm. The list is waaaay too damn long to even mention the 'losers' who haven't accomplished a fraction of what Wilt did.


Wilt wash't too retarded to become one of the wealthiest players of his era through savvy investing. Only an anonymous clown on the net can dismiss someone as great & intelligent as Wilt.

[Kblaze8855]

And Wilts Ft issue wasnt skill based. By most reports he shot them fine in practice. Just like Shaq. We have all see Shaq wet FTs over and over working out. His issue like Wilt...was mental. They had Wilt seeing psychiatrists and shit.

Like Nick Anderson after the finals disaster. He would shy away from taking Fts. miss them at unusual rates even though he could shoot his ass off. Guy shot like 40% from the Ft line one year but he was wetting 25 footers with defenses trying to stop it all day.

Fts are funny. Its rare a guy just lacks the skill to make them if they put in any work. And Wilt worked. shaq worked. Nick kept trying to get his shot right.

But you cant practice enough to just beat that mental block. And all the practice and tips and doctors and hate grows and guys get even worse at te line.

Its rarely about skill on high levels.

[bwink23]

Just like Wilt had eyewitnesses of how he could grab a coin and change it a la top of the backboard... We've heard about these eyewitnesses before and we've heard the most silly things ever a la Wilt's volleyball skills, a la Wilt's shooting skills, a la Wilt crushing toes skills, a la Wilt's 50 inch vertical...


If you would just ignore the tall tales aspect....you would see that Wilt was just a tremendous athlete, and would most definately be a force in today's NBA.

[bwink23]

No, not possible.
Many players with much greater leaping ability and much better verts couldn't do it. Wilt's physic is crazy overrrated, so is his goofy looking skillset.


His "goofy looking skillset" allowed him to average over 41 points a game on 48%FG vs Bill Russell and the Celtics defense in 12 games in 1962....:rolleyes:

[creepingdeath]

If Wilt lived today, there's no doubt that he'd be able to outrun Usain Bolt.

There's also no doubt that he would've dominated Lance Armstrong on a bike.

Here's my proof:

Phil Jackson once visited France during the offseason, and when he rode his Harley up the mountain to L'Alpe d'Huez, he was overtaken by Wilt who was riding uphill backwards on a broken unicycle while simultaneously shagging several women. And Wilt was already 57 when that happened.

Since that day, there's no doubt in Phil's mind that Wilt easily would've dominated Lance Armstrong had he put his mind to it.
http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/shocked/grand/henry2hjjl.gif

[millwad]

And Wilts Ft issue wasnt skill based. By most reports he shot them fine in practice. Just like Shaq. We have all see Shaq wet FTs over and over working out. His issue like Wilt...was mental. They had Wilt seeing psychiatrists and shit.

.

Kblaze, I really respect your opinion but that is not true.
Both Wilt and Shaq had terrible form and sure, ALOT of players in league history shot it odd and with unorthodox form a la Jamal Wilkes but they made them.

Both Wilt and Shaq had bad form and they always missed them, they were never even average..

[jlauber]

Wilt was not only 7-1 (actually probably 7-2) with a measured 7-8 wingspan, but he was also a CHAMPION HIGH JUMPER (doing so PART-TIME, and with poor technique) as well as a competitive LONG JUMPER, TRIPLE JUMPER, and SPRINTER at KU.

We also have this footage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs

Now, Dickwad USED to demand VIDEO footage (even though there was very little of ANY footage back then), and now we have EXACTLY that. A VIDEO, in which a Wilt has little time to react, and has to go straight-up (no running start), and his fingertips are clearly near the top of the backboard.

We also have the highly respected Philly sports icon, Sonny Hill, who witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard, as well as longtime Sixer trainer Al Domenico also making that claim.

THEN, we have the VIDEO conversation in which TEX WINTER claims that Wilt was dunking his FT's, AND, multiple NEWSPAPER accounts, AT THE TIME, which verified it.

Just what in the hell more does Dickwad need???

He also laughed at my assertion that Wilt had a good outside shot (using a FT attempt by a Wilt, late in his career, as some kind of "evidence".) And yet, we not only a HOF coach claiming that Wilt did INDEED have a good outsdie shot, we are now getting more-and-more in game footage in which Wilt is CLEARLY hitting a variety of shots from 15+ feet, including JUMP SHOTS.

Still, Dickwad doesn't believe (well, he doesn't WANT to believe it.)

[bwink23]

Kblaze, I really respect your opinion but that is not true.
Both Wilt and Shaq had terrible form and sure, ALOT of players in league history shot it odd and with unorthodox form a la Jamal Wilkes but they made them.

Both Wilt and Shaq had bad form and they always missed them, they were never even average..


Actually, what he said WAS true....there have been several discussions about Shaq making his FT's in practice. He was a very good FT practice shooter. You probably wouldn't know that unless you were old enough to remember the interviews with people who have worked with him on his FT shooting.

[jlauber]

Kblaze, I really respect your opinion but that is not true.
Both Wilt and Shaq had terrible form and sure, ALOT of players in league history shot it odd and with unorthodox form a la Jamal Wilkes but they made them.

Both Wilt and Shaq had bad form and they always missed them, they were never even average..

Completely false.

In Wilt's historic 61-62 season, he not only a decent .613 from the line, he MADE 835 FTs, which is the SECOND greatest season in NBA HISTORY, and only five less than Jerry West's 840 in '65. Oh, and BTW, how about Wilt in his 100 point game... 28-32 from the line.

And, as we KNOW, Chamberlain is WAY AHEAD of BOTH Hakeem in FTs MADE, even though Hakeem played four more seasons. And, how about this...Wilt MADE 2000 more FTs in his career, than Larry Bird!

Chamberlain was a poor FT shooter to be sure, but even Bruce Bowen won a 3pt title one season, while shooting .404 from the FT line.

In any case, Wilt's IMPACT at the LINE was HUGE. His team's either led the league, or were close, every season he played. His '67 76ers were MILES away from the next team.

And how about this interesting FACT? Wilt's 68-69 Lakers LED the league in FTAs (and easily LED in the post-season.) Then, Wilt was injured in game nine of the nery next season, and he was out for 70 games. LA finished 12th, in a 14 team league, in FTAs. BUT, it gets even more interesting. Wilt returned for the playoffs, and guess what, his Lakers shot over 200 more FTAs that the next best team, AND, in the Finals, they shot 96 more than the Knicks.

Chamberlain and Shaq probably (99.9%) shot FAR more "and-one's" than any other players in NBA history. These were BONUS shots. They also not only got their opposing centers in foul trouble, they got opposing TEAMS in foul trouble. The benefit to that was that those players were either playing looser defense, or were on the bench. And because of their ability to draw fouls, their TEAMMATES benefitted with more more bonus opportunities, as well.

[millwad]

We also have this footage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs

Now, Dickwad USED to demand VIDEO footage (even though there was very little of ANY footage back then), and now we have EXACTLY that. A VIDEO, in which a Wilt has little time to react, and has to go straight-up (no running start), and his fingertips are clearly near the top of the backboard

Misleading angle, and haha, if we are supposed to believe the colouring in that video then Wilt's arm is almost as long as him from top to toe... It's not a legit angle, moron.:facepalm

Just look at his arm when the creator coloured it, how the hell can his arm be almost as long as himself..:facepalm




We also have the highly respected Philly sports icon, Sonny Hill, who witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard, as well as longtime Sixer trainer Al Domenico also making that claim.

"witnessed"...



THEN, we have the VIDEO conversation in which TEX WINTER claims that Wilt was dunking his FT's, AND, multiple NEWSPAPER accounts, AT THE TIME, which verified it.

"Witnessed".. WOW!



He also laughed at my assertion that Wilt had a good outside shot (using a FT attempt by a Wilt, late in his career, as some kind of "evidence".) And yet, we not only a HOF coach claiming that Wilt did INDEED have a good outsdie shot, we are now getting more-and-more in game footage in which Wilt is CLEARLY hitting a variety of shots from 15+ feet, including JUMP SHOTS.

Haha, what idiot judges a player's shooting skills by a highlight video? Even Chris Mihm looks like an amazing shooter in his highlights..:facepalm

Wilt is the worst FT-SHOOOOOOOTER of all-time...:facepalm

Still, Dickwad doesn't believe (well, he doesn't WANT to believe it.)[/QUOTE]

"Dickwad", you are so silly, am I supposed to feel hurt over the fact that an old fart calls me Dickwad?

You really have no life, I feel bad for your wife and kids who have to live with you. You're so obsessed, I can imagine how much you've spammed about Wilt to your poor wife..:facepalm

So lame that an old fart sits on online day in and out and ******s a basketball player..:facepalm

[millwad]

We also have this footage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs

Now, Dickwad USED to demand VIDEO footage (even though there was very little of ANY footage back then), and now we have EXACTLY that. A VIDEO, in which a Wilt has little time to react, and has to go straight-up (no running start), and his fingertips are clearly near the top of the backboard

Misleading angle, and haha, if we are supposed to believe the colouring in that video then Wilt's arm is almost as long as him from top to toe... It's not a legit angle, moron.:facepalm

Just look at his arm when the creator coloured it, how the hell can his arm be almost as long as himself..:facepalm




We also have the highly respected Philly sports icon, Sonny Hill, who witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard, as well as longtime Sixer trainer Al Domenico also making that claim.

"witnessed"...



THEN, we have the VIDEO conversation in which TEX WINTER claims that Wilt was dunking his FT's, AND, multiple NEWSPAPER accounts, AT THE TIME, which verified it.

"Witnessed".. WOW!



He also laughed at my assertion that Wilt had a good outside shot (using a FT attempt by a Wilt, late in his career, as some kind of "evidence".) And yet, we not only a HOF coach claiming that Wilt did INDEED have a good outsdie shot, we are now getting more-and-more in game footage in which Wilt is CLEARLY hitting a variety of shots from 15+ feet, including JUMP SHOTS.

Haha, what idiot judges a player's shooting skills by a highlight video? Even Chris Mihm looks like an amazing shooter in his highlights..:facepalm

Wilt is the worst FT-SHOOOOOOOTER of all-time...:facepalm



Still, Dickwad doesn't believe (well, he doesn't WANT to believe it.)

"Dickwad", you are so silly, am I supposed to feel hurt over the fact that an old fart calls me Dickwad?

You really have no life, I feel bad for your wife and kids who have to live with you. You're so obsessed, I can imagine how much you've spammed about Wilt to your poor wife..:facepalm

So lame that an old fart sits on online day in and out and ******s a basketball player..:facepalm

[jlauber]

Actually, what he said WAS true....there have been several discussions about Shaq making his FT's in practice. He was a very good FT practice shooter. You probably wouldn't know that unless you were old enough to remember the interviews with people who have worked with him on his FT shooting.

In Charlie Rosen's book on the 71-72 Lakers, he mentions that Wilt was among the most accurate long range shooters on the Laker team in their practices, and that he routinely won their games of "horse." This, on a team with Goodrich, West, and their best shooter, Flynn Robinson.

[jlauber]

"Dickwad", you are so silly, am I supposed to feel hurt over the fact that an old fart calls me Dickwad?

You really have no life, I feel bad for your wife and kids who have to live with you. You're so obsessed, I can imagine how much you've spammed about Wilt to your poor wife..:facepalm

So lame that an old fart sits on online day in and out and ******s a basketball player..:facepalm

Give it up Dickwad...

You have been shredded here. And you NEVER provide ANY evidence to the contrary in ANY of these discussions.

We have VIDEO footage, respected first hand accounts, newpaper articles which confirm them...and all you provide is that you don't believe it.

[CavaliersFTW]

It's not hating on Wilt, most fans here consider him at least top 5 all time with some who puts him in the GOAT status. Me personally I dislike how his stans would believe everything they read or hear about him and preach it as gospel. :facepalm

Also regarding Tex Winter's interview, he said Wilt wasn't on top of the circle but was 3 steps behind it. So at minimum, if Wilt could dunk his free throw he would need at least 4-5 steps to get to the line since he was 3 steps behind the circle. It might be possible but highly unlikely. :rolleyes:

Also in that Wilt statement, he said he was inside the circle in dunking his free throw. Being inside the circle and taking 3 small steps to dunk the free throw is entirely different from being 3 steps behind the circle as Tex described. So which is which? :confusedshrug:


No you stupid F_ck

He says 3 steps in both interviews and says - and I quote:

"He wasn't at the top of the circle but was about 3 steps behind it"

And In neither does he describe the steps as "small"


stop making shit up. :hammerhead:

[Asukal]

February 12, 1989[/I]
[I]"When I was a freshman, I fooled around with shooting free throws this way: For some reason, I thought you had to stay within the top half of that free-throw circle, so I would step back to just inside the top of the circle, take off from behind the line and dunk. They outlawed that, but I wouldn't have done it in a game, anyway. I was a good free throw shooter in college."

Fifty-Five Years Later Tex Winter Recalls His Eyewitness Account In Detail In An Interview About Coaching Against Wilt Chamberlain

Mind telling me why Wilt claimed he dunks from inside the circle while in the Tex Winter interview he said Wilt was not on top of the circle but 3 steps behind? :confusedshrug:

[Asukal]

No you stupid F_ck

He says 3 steps in both interviews and says - and I quote:

"He wasn't at the top of the circle but was about 3 steps behind it"

And In neither does he describe the steps as "small"


stop making shit up. :hammerhead:

Making stuff up? Wilt said he dunked from inside the circle. How can he take giant steps if he is inside? :hammerhead:

[millwad]

Completely false.

In Wilt's historic 61-62 season, he not only a decent .613 from the line, he MADE 835 FTs, which is the SECOND greatest season in NBA HISTORY, and only five less than Jerry West's 840 in '65. Oh, and BTW, how about Wilt in his 100 point game... 28-32 from the line.


61% from the FT-line is still crap...:facepalm
And yeah, great, now you're mentioning ONE game as a proof, what about his 1-11 FT performance in the NBA FINALS.. HAHA..:facepalm



And, as we KNOW, Chamberlain is WAY AHEAD of BOTH Hakeem in FTs MADE, even though Hakeem played four more seasons. And, how about this...Wilt MADE 2000 more FTs in his career, than Larry Bird!


Please, can't you mention that Wilt made more FT's then Bird a little more often? Haha, what's the point of fouling an 88% FT-shooter you idiot.. And Hakeem was MUCH better from the line compared to the sucker Wilt.

ANd now when we're at it, you spam about how Wilt made more FT's then Bird. Lets look at it like this instead, Bird missed 511 FT's during his whole freaking career, Wilt only in his '62 season missed 528 FT's. So Wilt missed more FT's in one season then what Bird did during his whole career. Eat a dick, Jlauber..:oldlol:



In any case, Wilt's IMPACT at the LINE was HUGE. His team's either led the league, or were close, every season he played. His '67 76ers were MILES away from the next team.


Especially in the finals a la 1-11 shooting from the line..:facepalm

[millwad]

Mind telling me why Wilt claimed he dunks from inside the circle while in the Tex Winter interview he said Wilt was not on top of the circle but 3 steps behind? :confusedshrug:


THIS...:oldlol:

Great "witness"..

[millwad]

Give it up Dickwad...

You have been shredded here. And you NEVER provide ANY evidence to the contrary in ANY of these discussions.

We have VIDEO footage, respected first hand accounts, newpaper articles which confirm them...and all you provide is that you don't believe it.

Haha, how am I getting shredded when all you do is BS..:oldlol:
Wilt's "witnesses" are so great that they don't even tell the same story as Wilt himself..

*Check ASUKAL's post..:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Mind telling me why Wilt claimed he dunks from inside the circle while in the Tex Winter interview he said Wilt was not on top of the circle but 3 steps behind? :confusedshrug:

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA :roll:

Oh your Mr. "TAKE WILT LITERALLY!" All of the sudden!?

Wilt exaggerated Sherlock. Surely this can't be news to you!? - If it is you have a selective memory..... :hammerhead: It seems in any other situation you wouldn't hesitate to point this out.

Tex on the other hand, inventor of the Triangle Offense, told sh!t like it was, rarely with a sense of humor. And his version of the story in 1956, and 2011 both offered a perfect and detailed description of Wilt taking 3 steps.

Believing what Wilt says word for word is NOT good practice. Believing what someone else says two different occassion's that line's up chronologically with the gist of what Wilt says is absolutely plauible.
Stop being retarded :no:

[97 bulls]

Mind telling me why Wilt claimed he dunks from inside the circle while in the Tex Winter interview he said Wilt was not on top of the circle but 3 steps behind? :confusedshrug:
When wilt says top of the circle, does this mean the 3 point line? I just don't see how that's humanly possible.

[CavaliersFTW]

Haha, how am I getting shredded when all you do is BS..:oldlol:
Wilt's "witnesses" are so great that they don't even tell the same story as Wilt himself..

*Check ASUKAL's post..:roll:

Wilt exaggerates. Everyone admits it regardless of what they believe he does or not. Stop being so ridiculously stupid :hammerhead:

It's obvious in this situation. Tex Winter's story is true - and the gist of what Wilt says is true (dunking as a freshman). He exaggerates how he did it because of course, he's Mr. 20,000 himself.

Put the two consistent parts together, subtract the exaggeration - and BOOM you've got what happened

It isn't rocket science unless your f_cking retarded :lol

[Asukal]

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA :roll:

Oh your Mr. "TAKE WILT LITERALLY!" All of the sudden!?

Wilt exaggerated Sherlock. Surely this can't be news to you!? - If it is you have a selective memory..... :hammerhead: It seems in any other situation you wouldn't hesitate to point this out.

Tex on the other hand, inventor of the Triangle Offense, told sh!t like it was, rarely with a sense of humor. And his version of the story in 1956, and 2011 both offered a perfect and detailed description of Wilt taking 3 steps.

Believing what Wilt says word for word is NOT good practice. Believing what someone else says two different occassion's that line's up chronologically with the gist of what Wilt says is absolutely plauible.
Stop being retarded :no:

That's why we whom jlauber love to call "wilt haters" don't believe all of Wilt's stories. Most are just tall tales.

You're pretty funny actually since it is you who posted what Wilt said as your argument and proof of his claim. Who's retarded now? Me who questioned the inconsistency or you who posted the tall tale as proof? :hammerhead:

[La Frescobaldi]

{copied this from another thread...... http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236610&page=6
and it's post #78 on there}

I don't know the myths on ish about Wilt dunking free throws.... but here is some fact.

Interview with of Tex Winter, Kansas State basketball coach back in the 50s, talking about being chair of the Coaches Rules committee, and going to see Chamberlain as a freshman at KU.

You may or may not know, but K State - KU is a terrific rivalry.......... so for Tex to come up with some rules that would stop the arch-rival is, well, typical college operations.

The whole interview is awesome, the Chamberlain talk starts about 3:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyz-FhP2ONk

Kind of like a Bill of Attainder lol "legislating" against Chamberlain.

Of course, no video footage, so it never happened right
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The first guy I ever saw leap to the hoop from the free throw line was Mr. Jerry West. He didn't dunk the ball, he rolled it in over the rim. In those days a lot of guys never dunked at all. The idea was, it was considered insulting and would make the other team play harder against you. Lot of times I saw Logo's hand at the top of the block though... that man could sky plus, his arms were looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnngggg

like Mr. Fantastic lol

But yeah Tex saw Chamberlain dunking free throws....

This thread though, is just like the clips of Chamberlain's vertical.
Even when these guys see proof with their own eyes they don't believe it, so what can you do? If you bring a horse to water and he won't drink, well everybody knows you just got a dumb horse. Glue factory?

[32jazz]

When wilt says top of the circle, does this mean the 3 point line? I just don't see how that's humanly possible.

No 3 pt line then. Take Tex Winter's account more literal than Wilt who liked to exaggerate.

[CavaliersFTW]

When wilt says top of the circle, does this mean the 3 point line? I just don't see how that's humanly possible.

Take what Wilt says with a grain of salt. He also claimed 20,000 women because he likes to embellish stories (Which is not the same as making things up from scratch). Wilt probably f*cked a lot of women, and all the evidence suggests Wilt dunked free throws at least once in front of the scouting eyes of Tex Winter as a freshmen - what he says and what Tex saw as far as the freshman season goes, lines up perfectly.

For the literal description, listen to Tex Winter's account for how he did it.

Wilt took 3 strides, took off (jumped) from behind the line and dunked the ball.

Which coincidentally enough is exactly the same as his high-jump take off technique. - If all he needs is 3 steps to win High-Jump events and championships, than 3 steps is all he needs to free throw dunk exactly as how Tex Describes it in detail. Not how Wilt recalls it. Wilt is the same guy who recalls 20,000 women. Don't take him word for word just take the gist of his story and use it as a means to back up what Tex says.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

[97 bulls]

Wilt was not only 7-1 (actually probably 7-2) with a measured 7-8 wingspan, but he was also a CHAMPION HIGH JUMPER (doing so PART-TIME, and with poor technique) as well as a competitive LONG JUMPER, TRIPLE JUMPER, and SPRINTER at KU.

We also have this footage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs

Now, Dickwad USED to demand VIDEO footage (even though there was very little of ANY footage back then), and now we have EXACTLY that. A VIDEO, in which a Wilt has little time to react, and has to go straight-up (no running start), and his fingertips are clearly near the top of the backboard.

We also have the highly respected Philly sports icon, Sonny Hill, who witnessed Chamberlain touching the top of the backboard, as well as longtime Sixer trainer Al Domenico also making that claim.

THEN, we have the VIDEO conversation in which TEX WINTER claims that Wilt was dunking his FT's, AND, multiple NEWSPAPER accounts, AT THE TIME, which verified it.

Just what in the hell more does Dickwad need???

He also laughed at my assertion that Wilt had a good outside shot (using a FT attempt by a Wilt, late in his career, as some kind of "evidence".) And yet, we not only a HOF coach claiming that Wilt did INDEED have a good outsdie shot, we are now getting more-and-more in game footage in which Wilt is CLEARLY hitting a variety of shots from 15+ feet, including JUMP SHOTS.

Still, Dickwad doesn't believe (well, he doesn't WANT to believe it.)
But there is a HUGE difference between the long jump and high jump. Long jumpers need to build up momentum. Dunking a ft would be similar to a long jump. I dont see how he could do that with three small steps. Inside the circle.

[Asukal]

Take what Wilt says with a grain of salt. He also claimed 20,000 women because he likes to embellish stories (though, not necessarily make things up from scratch). Wilt probably f*cked a lot of women, and in this scenario Wilt dunked free throws goofing around in practice as a freshmen.

But listen to Tex Winter's account for how he did it.

3 strides jump and dunk.

Which coincidentally enough is exactly the same as his high-jump take off technique. - If all he needs is 3 steps to win High-Jump events and championships, than 3 steps is all he needs to free throw dunk exactly as how Tex Describes it in detail. Not how Wilt recalls it. Wilt is the same guy who recalls 20,000 women. Don't take him word for word just take the gist of his story.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

Astonishingly enough jlauber believes EVERY word. :facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

That's why we whom jlauber love to call "wilt haters" don't believe all of Wilt's stories. Most are just tall tales.

You're pretty funny actually since it is you who posted what Wilt said as your argument and proof of his claim. Who's retarded now? Me who questioned the inconsistency or you who posted the tall tale as proof? :hammerhead:

Support

:hammerhead:

[97 bulls]

And the fact that winter saw it or is making the claim is the only thing thats giving this validity at all.

But then again, there's been thousands of accounts about big foot. And I still don't beliieve it

[CavaliersFTW]

But there is a HUGE difference between the long jump and high jump. Long jumpers need to build up momentum. Dunking a ft would be similar to a long jump. I dont see how he could do that with three small steps. Inside the circle.

He was 3 (Wilt sized) steps behind it. Not inside it. :facepalm

Listen to Tex Winter's account. Don't listen to Wilt word for word, he's well known to embellish his exploits.

[La Frescobaldi]

When wilt says top of the circle, does this mean the 3 point line? I just don't see how that's humanly possible.
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there wasn't a 3 point line back then.... the ABA had one but that was easily a decade after Chamberlain was in college.

Now Tex Winter says Chamberlain was about 3 steps behind the circle, while Chamberlain said he could do it starting at the circle.

This article talks about Chamberlain's broad jump

http://ezinearticles.com/?Wilt-Chamberlain---Track-and-Field-at-the-University-of-Kansas-%28KU%29-In-Addition-to-Basketball&id=4113288

Around the same time Wilt was also putting up ridiculously impressive broad jump numbers that are understood to be as far as 22 feet. For comparison purposes almost all high school track athletes can not reach 22 feet in a running long jump and Wilt is reported to have reached that length from a stationary standing broad jump position.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/4113288
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Well the math is kinda cool because if you can standing broad jump say, 15 feet, you won't get to the rim since it's 10 feet up. But now Wilt's standing reach was 9'6" so to touch the rim from a standing broad jump, he might only have to get maybe 17 feet.... far enough in the arc of his leap that he can still touch the rim you see.

edit: I don't know that the guy can jump that far.... I'm just saying these articles are EVERYWHERE saying he could. Now a running long jump? absolutely I'd bet money he could get 22'
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I've seen Chamberlain many a time take 3 huge running steps from the corner to the basket when he was playing defense. This was when he was a Sixer.

And if you think about it that is some freakishly amazing size with serious springs in those legs so yeah I have no doubt he could pretty much dunk free throws. Nobody back then doubted it, but we were watching the guy you know? and you could see for yourself what he could do right on the court.

[Asukal]

Support

:hammerhead:

Look, I don't question Wilt's greatness, I believe he is one of if not the best player to ever play basketball. I am not of his era so I didn't watch any of his games. I question the inconsistency of Wilt's claim to Tex's statement just to prove to jlauber that Wilt is not innocent of exaggerating his tales. MY GOD! Jlauber believes Wilt is a better FT shooter than Hakeem because he made more free throws! :hammerhead:

[millwad]

Look, I don't question Wilt's greatness, I believe he is one of if not the best player to ever play basketball. I am not of his era so I didn't watch any of his games. I question the inconsistency of Wilt's claim to Tex's statement just to prove to jlauber that Wilt is not innocent of exaggerating his tales. MY GOD! Jlauber believes Wilt is a better FT shooter than Hakeem because he made more free throws! :hammerhead:

Co-signed.

[CavaliersFTW]

And the fact that winter saw it or is making the claim is the only thing thats giving this validity at all.

But then again, there's been thousands of accounts about big foot. And I still don't beliieve it

Why do I get the feeling everybody has cherry picked the evidence and didn't read those newspapers. :facepalm

In 1956:
1.) NCAA Rules regarding big men (Wilt) included banning free throw dunks are suggested by a committee.

2.) NCAA Proposed rules to stop the big men (Wilt) regarding free throw dunks were voted on and approved by a committee.

3.) Tex Winter claims he's the guy behind the curtain and describes Wilt dunking free throws. He says Wilt took 3 giant strides. Oddly enough this looks identical to how Wilt practices and competes in High-Jump even though Tex Winter doesn't know that nor does he give a flying f_ck about it. It's just some strange coincidence right?

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

4.) In 1989:
Wilt, independent of any of that, tries to claim he dunked free throws his freshman year for some interview for the LA Time's. Of course, he's going to embellish this in some way shape or form. This is only support that he dunked free throws it is not the tool to determine the specifics of how he dunked them because of his well known and well understood reputation for embellishing. :hammerhead:

5.) In 2011:
Tex Winter once again recalls the event of Wilt dunking a free throw. He once again claims 3 steps - exactly as he did fifty five years earlier. Not only this but now he touches base on the other rules that were changed that involved Chamberlain and they all match perfectly with the actual proposed and changed NCAA rules in 1956




Is it a god damn coincidence? :hammerhead:

[jlauber]

Look, I don't question Wilt's greatness, I believe he is one of if not the best player to ever play basketball. I am not of his era so I didn't watch any of his games. I question the inconsistency of Wilt's claim to Tex's statement just to prove to jlauber that Wilt is not innocent of exaggerating his tales. MY GOD! Jlauber believes Wilt is a better FT shooter than Hakeem because he made more free throws! :hammerhead:


First of all, I have NEVER claimed that Wilt was a better FT shooter than Hakeem. However, Hakeem, himself was BELOW average. Let's not make him out like a Yao Ming here. So, a 70% FT shooter is somewhat better than a 50% shooter. BUT, Wilt's IMPACT at the LINE, was dramatically better than his percentage. He put opposing players and TEAMs in foul trouble, and he and his teammates benefitted in a variety of ways because of it.

[La Frescobaldi]

Why do I get the feeling everybody has cherry picked the evidence and didn't read those newspapers. :facepalm

In 1956:
1.) NCAA Rules regarding big men (Wilt) included banning free throw dunks are suggested by a committee.

2.) NCAA Proposed rules to stop the big men (Wilt) regarding free throw dunks were voted on and approved by a committee.

3.) Tex Winter claims he's the guy behind the curtain and describes Wilt dunking free throws. He says Wilt took 3 giant strides. Oddly enough this looks identical to how Wilt practices and competes in High-Jump even though Tex Winter doesn't know that or give a f_ck about it. Just some strange coincidence right?

4.) In 1989:
Wilt, independent of any of that, tries to claim he dunked free throws his freshman year for some interview for the LA Time's. Of course, he's going to embellish this in some way shape or form. This is only support that he dunked free throws it is not the tool to determine the specifics of how he dunked them because of his well known and well understood reputation for embellishing. :hammerhead:

5.) In 2011:
Tex Winter once again recalls the event of Wilt dunking a free throw. He once again claims 3 steps - exactly as he did fifty five years earlier. Not only this but now he touches base on the other rules that were changed that involved Chamberlain and they all match perfectly with the actual proposed and changed NCAA rules in 1956




Is it a god damn coincidence? :hammerhead:

No coincidence man, Tex was the chair of the Rules committee.

[jlauber]

Why do I get the feeling everybody has cherry picked the evidence and didn't read those newspapers. :facepalm

In 1956:
1.) NCAA Rules regarding big men (Wilt) included banning free throw dunks are suggested by a committee.

2.) NCAA Proposed rules to stop the big men (Wilt) regarding free throw dunks were voted on and approved by a committee.

3.) Tex Winter claims he's the guy behind the curtain and describes Wilt dunking free throws. He says Wilt took 3 giant strides. Oddly enough this looks identical to how Wilt practices and competes in High-Jump even though Tex Winter doesn't know that or give a f_ck about it. Just some strange coincidence right?

4.) In 1989:
Wilt, independent of any of that, tries to claim he dunked free throws his freshman year for some interview for the LA Time's. Of course, he's going to embellish this in some way shape or form. This is only support that he dunked free throws it is not the tool to determine the specifics of how he dunked them because of his well known and well understood reputation for embellishing. :hammerhead:

5.) In 2011:
Tex Winter once again recalls the event of Wilt dunking a free throw. He once again claims 3 steps - exactly as he did fifty five years earlier. Not only this but now he touches base on the other rules that were changed that involved Chamberlain and they all match perfectly with the actual proposed and changed NCAA rules in 1956




Is it a god damn coincidence? :hammerhead:

Look, you have OVERWHELMING PROVED Wilt was dunking his FTs, and at worst, he did so with a leap that NO other legitimate NBA player ever has.

Now, the onus is on the "anti-Chamberlain" clan to supply evidence which DISPUTES your well established claims. They NEVER do, nor will they EVER do it.

Once again, we have HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of accounts of Wilt's amazing physical skills, and yet we don't have ONE LEGITIMATE source that actually was around Wilt in his lifetime, that DISPUTES them. How come????

[Asukal]

Look, you have OVERWHELMING PROVED Wilt was dunking his FTs, and at worst, he did so with a leap that NO other legitimate NBA player ever has.

Now, the onus is on the "anti-Chamberlain" clan to supply evidence which DISPUTES your well established claims. They NEVER do, nor will they EVER do it.

Once again, we have HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of accounts of Wilt's amazing physical skills, and yet we don't have ONE LEGITIMATE source that actually was around Wilt in his lifetime, that DISPUTES them. How come????

So then care to explain why Wilt claims he could dunk from inside the FT circle when Tex said he started behind the circle? :confusedshrug:

Also a 70%FT shooter is not somewhat better than a 50% FT shooter, 20% is a big difference. Wilt IS a terrible free throw shooter according to stats. I do agree however that stats can be very deceiving when taking circumstances in consideration. :no:

[CavaliersFTW]

Look, you have OVERWHELMING PROVED Wilt was dunking his FTs, and at worst, he did so with a leap that NO other legitimate NBA player ever has.

Now, the onus is on the "anti-Chamberlain" clan to supply evidence which DISPUTES your well established claims. They NEVER do, nor will they EVER do it.

Once again, we have HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of accounts of Wilt's amazing physical skills, and yet we don't have ONE LEGITIMATE source that actually was around Wilt in his lifetime, that DISPUTES them. How come????

I haven't proven anything. But I have organized the events from the past and presented them. It all adds up. It is getting to be a bit of a stretch to suggest that it didn't happened exactly how Tex describes it... the NCAA rule changes happened exactly how Tex described it and he gives perfectly reasonable explanations as to why. No other athletic big man was going to be in the NCAA at the time to be effected by these rules except Wilt, because Russell and Uhl graduated before the 56-57 season. Why does all of these make so much logical sense?

:lol

[CavaliersFTW]

So then care to explain why Wilt claims he could dunk from inside the FT circle when Tex said he started behind the circle? :confusedshrug:

Also a 70%FT shooter is not somewhat better than a 50% FT shooter, 20% is a big difference. Wilt IS a terrible free throw shooter according to stats. I do agree however that stats can be very deceiving when taking circumstances in consideration. :no:

cuz Wilt like'd to add whipped cream and a cherry on top of his stories :lol

c'mon dude quit playing dumb you know damn well this shit makes perfect sense exactly how Tex described it. What Wilt says only curtails as support that this occurred stop taking Wilt's words literally when I KNOW you've called him a liar before in the past. :hammerhead: Tex is the man that tells the story. What does Tex say. That's what probably happened - and it probably happened exactly how he described it and not like how Wilt described it. Use your brain.

[Asukal]

cuz Wilt like'd to add whipped cream and a cherry on top of his stories :lol

c'mon dude quit playing dumb you know damn well this shit makes perfect sense exactly how Tex described it. What Wilt says only curtails as support that this occurred stop taking Wilt's words literally when I KNOW you've called him a liar before in the past. :hammerhead: Tex is the man that tells the story. What does Tex say. That's what probably happened - and it probably happened exactly how he described it and not like how Wilt described it. Use your brain.

Dude, I'm talking to jlauber. Since he believe everything Wilt said, maybe he can explain the inconsistency. :facepalm

[305Baller]

Wilt was the real deal.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt was the real deal.

:cheers:

3-step High-Jump champ. 3-step free throw dunker.

[swi7ch]

javale mcgee would drop 50 on wilt according to ish

[Pointguard]

Why do I get the feeling everybody has cherry picked the evidence and didn't read those newspapers. :facepalm

In 1956:
1.) NCAA Rules regarding big men (Wilt) included banning free throw dunks are suggested by a committee.

2.) NCAA Proposed rules to stop the big men (Wilt) regarding free throw dunks were voted on and approved by a committee.

3.) Tex Winter claims he's the guy behind the curtain and describes Wilt dunking free throws. He says Wilt took 3 giant strides. Oddly enough this looks identical to how Wilt practices and competes in High-Jump even though Tex Winter doesn't know that nor does he give a flying f_ck about it. It's just some strange coincidence right?

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

4.) In 1989:
Wilt, independent of any of that, tries to claim he dunked free throws his freshman year for some interview for the LA Time's. Of course, he's going to embellish this in some way shape or form. This is only support that he dunked free throws it is not the tool to determine the specifics of how he dunked them because of his well known and well understood reputation for embellishing. :hammerhead:

5.) In 2011:
Tex Winter once again recalls the event of Wilt dunking a free throw. He once again claims 3 steps - exactly as he did fifty five years earlier. Not only this but now he touches base on the other rules that were changed that involved Chamberlain and they all match perfectly with the actual proposed and changed NCAA rules in 1956

Is it a god damn coincidence? :hammerhead:

The most authoritative guy in all of basketball, a HOF, a guy whose credentials had to be impeccable because he was at the head of the most authoritative committee in the sport, speaks on how he made a particular rule from visual evidence. We are supposed to believe that one of the most respectable guys in the whole sport isn't a reliable source.

[jlauber]

Dude, I'm talking to jlauber. Since he believe everything Wilt said, maybe he can explain the inconsistency. :facepalm

First of all, I don't believe everything Wilt claimed. BUT, much of what he gets "credit" for, he did NOT claim. The famous "mountain lion" story, was a second hand account, and NOT directly given by Chamberlain. The famous "broken toe" story was NEVER attributed to Wilt. It was, in fact, claimed by the very person to whom it supposedly occurred.

The "20,000" women? Wilt regretted that claim, and in fact, he pulled that number from a fiend who ran a hotel in which Wilt stayed for 10 days. According to the story, the man counted 23 different women going to Wilt's room in that 10 day stay. Wilt was 48 at the time. He multipled 2.3 women per day, times 30 years (Wilt from 18-48.)

In any case, it was WELL-KNOWN that women FLOCKED to Wilt (and NOT the other way around.) Nate Thurmond told the story, that, after a practice, Wilt asked him what he was going to do that night. Thurmond told him that he was probably going to catch a Kim Novak movie. According to Nate, Wilt told him that he had a better idea. They jumped into Wilt's car (Bentley I believe), and drove awhile. They pulled up to a secluded home, and lo-and-behold, out comes Kim Novak. (BTW, just google her...she was beautiful.) And there were MANY more stories of Wilt's "companions" many of them among the hottest women at the time.

As for the rest...the 500 lb. bench...WAY too many accounts to believe that this was some kind of fabrication. Same with dunking on a 12 ft rim, or touching the top of the backboard, or dunking from the FT line. There was enough physical evidence, including VIDEO footage of amazing leaps by Chamberlain, as well as the well known fact that Wilt was a multi-event track star, who won high-jumping championships (all while doing it part-time and with poor technique.) And why would I NOT believe Sonny Hill or Tex Winter?

Here again, provide me with something concrete that DISPUTES most of these so-called "myths."

[jlauber]

javale mcgee would drop 50 on wilt according to ish

I know...there are actually some dorks here who believe that nonsense. I have long claimed that you could pull Wilt's corpse from the ground, prop it up under the basket, and McGee would not score a point.

[CavaliersFTW]

javale mcgee would drop 50 on wilt according to ish

:lol JaFail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQiInX37oys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-jM2NvBIc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR6TnQSgxO8

:roll:

[bwink23]

Marques Johnson
Wilt played all summer with us at UCLA around 1980 or 1981. He was in tremendous shape and could dominate younger players even then. After we had run full court for a couple of hours, a few of us were shooting around. My former college teammate David Greenwood was giving Wilt a hard time about his stats and telling him, 'You know, you could never score 100 points in today's game, the competition was weak when you played.' Wilt decided he wanted to play some two-on-two. It was David, who played for the Bulls, and the Piston's Roy Hamilton (my boss at Fox Sports) against me and Wilt. On the first couple of possessions David scored and really turned up the trash talking. Wilt was really fired up now. He pulled me to the side, put his arm around me, and told me to not shoot the ball, just pass it to him, every time. Of course, I did what I was told. Wilt proceeded to DUNK, that's right DUNK the next 10 straight times right in Greenwood's grill. He would either back him down or establish position real close to the hoop. I'd feed him, he'd jump, turn in mid-air and smash - one of the most impressive basketball moments I have ever witnessed. After we had won the game, Wilt didn't say a word, just left the gym. True story! - KBLAZE

I have heard this exact same story before.YEARS AGO.

[gyu]

And Wilts Ft issue wasnt skill based. By most reports he shot them fine in practice. Just like Shaq. We have all see Shaq wet FTs over and over working out. His issue like Wilt...was mental. They had Wilt seeing psychiatrists and shit.

Like Nick Anderson after the finals disaster. He would shy away from taking Fts. miss them at unusual rates even though he could shoot his ass off. Guy shot like 40% from the Ft line one year but he was wetting 25 footers with defenses trying to stop it all day.

Fts are funny. Its rare a guy just lacks the skill to make them if they put in any work. And Wilt worked. shaq worked. Nick kept trying to get his shot right.

But you cant practice enough to just beat that mental block. And all the practice and tips and doctors and hate grows and guys get even worse at te line.

Its rarely about skill on high levels.
Do you have Shaq's practice free throws video?

[gyu]

His "goofy looking skillset" allowed him to average over 41 points a game on 48%FG vs Bill Russell and the Celtics defense in 12 games in 1962....:rolleyes:
It is a bit goofy because he used his right hand exclusively even if it exposed the ball.

[bwink23]

Do you have Shaq's practice free throws video?


It has been mentioned several times in years past that Shaq could make his FT's in practice.....not all the evidence your ever gonna find is in videos....:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

Do you have Shaq's practice free throws video?

Have you forgotten Wilt went 28 for 32 when he scored 100 points?

Or is that myth too? :hammerhead:

Clearly its psychological - no NBA player, including Wilt, has ever been physically incapable of hitting consistent free throws. Sorry brah.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Cm2c74za2GE/T0VbCzeMoOI/AAAAAAAAC_U/WJUvQ7BDBHk/s400/U%2520mad.jpg

[jlauber]

It is a bit goofy because he used his right hand exclusively even if it exposed the ball.

So you have VIDEO footage of the 61-62 ECF's?

Keep in mind that even Red Holzman a HOF coach who was coaching against Wilt in the 60's and 70's, claimed that Wilt had a good outside shot when he came into the league. Of course, we have SEVERAL single game college highlights which PROVE it, as well as this highlight video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhH_fPBWShQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7hJeRajeYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3wJzDOdWaQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT2_FnTXMQo

Even his FT shooting looked much better in college and in his early NBA career.

Overall, how about this video, which chronicles his high school career to the first half of his NBA career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc&feature=related

Now, you tell me that Wilt looked a "bit goofy."

[gyu]

So you have VIDEO footage of the 61-62 ECF's?

Keep in mind that even Red Holzman a HOF coach who was coaching against Wilt in the 60's and 70's, claimed that Wilt had a good outside shot when he came into the league. Of course, we have SEVERAL single game college highlights which PROVE it, as well as this highlight video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhH_fPBWShQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7hJeRajeYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3wJzDOdWaQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT2_FnTXMQo

Even his FT shooting looked much better in college and in his early NBA career.

Overall, how about this video, which chronicles his high school career to the first half of his NBA career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc&feature=related

Now, you tell me that Wilt looked a "bit goofy."
That last video you posted is the one I just watched yesterday, it's the one I based my judgement off of. I know he can shoot, but I'm talking about anything close to the basket he used his right hand only even if it means showing the ball directly to the defender.

[PTB Fan]

I don't know why Wilt was such a bad FT shooter.

Looking at his college days, he had a pretty solid form. I'd say that he could have shot 60% from the line.. but for some reason, he couldn't connect on that much for his career.

[gyu]

Have you forgotten Wilt went 28 for 32 when he scored 100 points?

Or is that myth too? :hammerhead:

Clearly its psychological - no NBA player, including Wilt, has ever been physically incapable of hitting consistent free throws. Sorry brah.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Cm2c74za2GE/T0VbCzeMoOI/AAAAAAAAC_U/WJUvQ7BDBHk/s400/U%2520mad.jpg
If he can't do it consistently then it's most likely an outlier, same goes for great free throw shooters who have a bad or average shooting night once in awhile.

[bwink23]

If he can't do it consistently then it's most likely an outlier, same goes for great free throw shooters who have a bad or average shooting night once in awhile.


NO....it was definately psychological....talking of Shaq as well::

Number of games shooting 65% or better, year to year...

29,23,15,7,10,10,20,19,20,36,14,11,14,5,18...

This type of inconsistency is NOT CONSISTENT with being a "skills" issue. 65% is not an incredibly difficult % to make, yet you can see Shaq was all over the place with how often he could shoot that mediocre % per game. I'm sure his actual FT shooting skill didn't change that much yearly.

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't know why Wilt was such a bad FT shooter.

Looking at his college days, he had a pretty solid form. I'd say that he could have shot 60% from the line.. but for some reason, he couldn't connect on that much for his career.

87.5% the night he scored 100
63.6% in 1961-62 NBA playoffs
62.7% his freshmen NCAA season
61.3% in 1961-62 NBA season
60.6% his sophomore NCAA season

Compare with his career lows:

38.0% in 1967-68 NBA season
38.0% in 1967-68 NBA playoffs
38.8% in 1966-67 NBA playoffs
39.2% in 1968-69 NBA playoffs

Its most likely all just psychological - nothing physical was barring his ft% He has long stretches of hot and cold that seem miles apart

[La Frescobaldi]

NO....it was definately psychological....talking of Shaq as well::

Number of games shooting 65% or better, year to year...

29,23,15,7,10,10,20,19,20,36,14,11,14,5,18...

This type of inconsistency is NOT CONSISTENT with being a "skills" issue. 65% is not an incredibly difficult % to make, yet you can see Shaq was all over the place with how often he could shoot that mediocre % per game. I'm sure his actual FT shooting skill didn't change that much yearly.

I kinda figure he just chucked it up there, somethin goin through his mind all the time like "they changed the freaking rules on me that's freaking cheating, those freaking frzzles cheating on me because I can dunk this in their face"

[Kblaze8855]

Kblaze, I really respect your opinion but that is not true.
Both Wilt and Shaq had terrible form and sure, ALOT of players in league history shot it odd and with unorthodox form a la Jamal Wilkes but they made them.

Both Wilt and Shaq had bad form and they always missed them, they were never even average..

Ive seen Shaq shoot fts waming up in person and barely miss. I cant say ive seen Wilt do it....but ive heard from the mouths of his teammates(not read a report...heard them say it) that he could shoot in practice.

And wilt...unlike Shaq...actually tried everything to help in game. Ive seen him do Shaqs kinda one handed flick, take 18 footers, granny style, and all that. He listened to so many people and put so much pressure on himself to perform he just broke down and got worse and worse. Wilt shot 63% in college in 1957 and shot 38% at the peak of his ability(76ers).

What...you think he got less skilled with all those years of playing ball, taking tens of thousands of shots, and being driven to improve by being mocked when he was one of the most proud athletes ever? This guy HATED the idea that bigmen were not skilled and worked his ass off to be a good FT shooter partly to fight that belief but he just could not make them in game.

Once they saw that he could shoot with guys like Chet Walker in practice but in games he might shoot 25% they had him talking with doctors and gave him a personal Ft coach to tinker with his form and all.

I remember seeing him and his coach talking about it on what I think was an NBA halftime when Shaq was young and his FT shooting was being discussed.

A lot of guys who cant make FTs in the NBA can outshoot guys who can in practice.

You shoot tens of thousands of FTs(he shot over 11000 in the league and many more by himself) you could learn to make them with any form if it were a matter of just....skill.

But it isnt. The mental side comes in. Especally with guys who for one reason or another are under unusual pressure at the line.

This shouldnt be hard to believe. There are too many examples of it. Including modern ones. Here is Dwight who has hired the same FT coach Shaq used(Guy has made 99% of his FTs for years...olds the world record of 1206 made in an hour). guy says Dwight shot 83%(likely 83 of 100 at the end of the workout which is how he did it withshaq).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_cg08SXrQ0

So Dwight has a world class Ft coach and he shoots 49% this year.

Shaq with the same guy....shot 80% in practice too. Wilt did. Virtually everyone does.

And then still miss half or more in the games.

It just is not as simple as how skilled you are. It never has been.

Wilt like everyone else who takes many thousands of FTs and works hard to improve....could make them with nothing on the line and no pressure. Its a simple thing to do. In games the change is mental. Not the physical ability to throw a ball where it needs to go...the way you have done tens of thousands of times.

[jlauber]

There was probably a good chance that Wilt would have shot FAR better from the line, had the NBA not banned the dunking of FTs BECAUSE of Chamberlain.

Of course, the NBA was always trying to find rules to curtail Wilt's dominance, so I suspect that they would have moved the line back to 20 ft, (or whatever they would have deemed necessary) to prevent Wilt's "freakish activity."

[gyu]

I don't know if it would have been that advantageous for Wilt to dunk his free throws though.
Taking off from the free throw line for every single free throw and with the amount of free throws attempted per game and minutes he played? Takes a lot of energy to take off from there.

[bwink23]

I don't know if it would have been that advantageous for Wilt to dunk his free throws though.
Taking off from the free throw line for every single free throw and with the amount of free throws attempted per game and minutes he played? Takes a lot of energy to take off from there.


That's a good point...but with the game on the line?? :confusedshrug:

Plus, no one said he had to dunk it...he merely could have jumped from the line to get close enough to flick it in.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/nxkih3.jpg.gif

[millwad]

There was probably a good chance that Wilt would have shot FAR better from the line, had the NBA not banned the dunking of FTs BECAUSE of Chamberlain.

Of course, the NBA was always trying to find rules to curtail Wilt's dominance, so I suspect that they would have moved the line back to 20 ft, (or whatever they would have deemed necessary) to prevent Wilt's "freakish activity."

Yeah, NBA fans got robbed on 11862 FT-dunks because of the idiots in the NBA who banned Wilt's amazing FT-dunks..:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/012011/situation-omg.gif

I can't believe people are this retarded

[WillC]

This video clearly shows Wilt Chamberlain's incredible offensive repertoire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

And no, those aren't just college players he's dominating against. Many of those highlights show Chamberlain dominating the likes of Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

You know, the same Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who outplayed Hakeem Olajuwon even when Kareem was in his 30s.

You know, the same Hakeem Olajuwon who outplayed Shaquille O'Neal.

You know, the same Shaquille O'Neal who outplayed Dwight Howard.

And yet some idiots think Wilt wouldn't be any better than Javale McGee :facepalm

[gyu]

That's a good point...but with the game on the line?? :confusedshrug:

Plus, no one said he had to dunk it...he merely could have jumped from the line to get close enough to flick it in.
Who knows, the game might not have been close at all because Wilt's wasn't able to produce at the same level if he used so much energy on his free throws. We can only guess

[Deuce Bigalow]

This video clearly shows Wilt Chamberlain's incredible offensive repertoire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

And no, those aren't just college players he's dominating against. Many of those highlights show Chamberlain dominating the likes of Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

You know, the same Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who outplayed Hakeem Olajuwon even when Kareem was in his 30s.

You know, the same Hakeem Olajuwon who outplayed Shaquille O'Neal.

You know, the same Shaquille O'Neal who outplayed Dwight Howard.

And yet some idiots think Wilt wouldn't be any better than Javale McGee :facepalm
Wilt never dominated Kareem :facepalm
Kareem dominated him

In the 1972 season, Kareem outscored Wilt 201-70 in their five regular season games.
In the six 1972 playoff games, Kareem outscored Wilt 202-67

[CavaliersFTW]

Yeah, NBA fans got robbed on 11862 FT-dunks because of the idiots in the NBA who banned Wilt's amazing FT-dunks..:roll:

OHHHH EMMMMM GEEEEEEEEEEE

Is dat wut doze newzpaperz said? da NBA waz in on it twooo?

:violin:
Millwad = a greater fibber than Wilt Chamberlain. He makes shit up out of the blue and claims it's part of the "Wilt's myths". Even though nobody except himself came up with it.

[bwink23]

This video clearly shows Wilt Chamberlain's incredible offensive repertoire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

And no, those aren't just college players he's dominating against. Many of those highlights show Chamberlain dominating the likes of Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

You know, the same Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who outplayed Hakeem Olajuwon even when Kareem was in his 30s.



You know, the same Hakeem Olajuwon who outplayed Shaquille O'Neal.

You know, the same Shaquille O'Neal who outplayed Dwight Howard.

And yet some idiots think Wilt wouldn't be any better than Javale McGee :facepalm



The same Kareem who called Wilt the most dominant scorer in NBA history.

[Deuce Bigalow]

OHHHH EMMMMM GEEEEEEEEEEE

Is dat wut doze newzpaperz said? da NBA waz in on it twooo?

:violin:
Millwad = a greater fibber than Wilt Chamberlain. He makes shit up out of the blue and claims it's part of the "Wilt's myths". Even though nobody except himself came up with it.
You and your Wilt ******ging butt buddies

http://www.newrichstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Old-Men-Quotes.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt never dominated Kareem :facepalm

Yah... like the entire 1971 series... oh wait :lol


Post season – 1970-71 – WCF playoffs
Date: Fri 04/09/71
- Chamberlain 22 pts, 20 rebs, 1 as, 8 blocks, 10-19 FG/FGA – 3 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 32 pts, 22 rebs, 1 as, 1 blocks, 14-30 FG/FGA W
Wilt diminishes Kareem's game impact by elevating his own offensive
production and diminishing Jabbars efficiency, but he does give up too
many rebounds to Jabbar.
Call it a draw.

Date: Sun 04/11/71
- Chamberlain 26 pts, 22 rebs, 0 as, * blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA - Wilt blocked numerious shots L
-Abdul-Jabbar 22 pts, 10 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 9-19 FG/FGA W
Wilt completely erased Kareem's individual impact on the Buck's,
he actually took Kareem in the negative. He didn't just diminish
Kareem and Increase for himself, he flat out outscored and outrebounded
him despite the fact that the Buck's GO TO Kareem to score.

Date: Wed 04/14/71
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 24 rebs, 3 as, 3 blocks, 9-19 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 20 pts, 19 rebs, 6 as, 0 blocks, 8-16 FG/FGA L
Same Result. Wilt individually dominated Kareem.

Date: Fri 04/16/71
- Chamberlain 15 pts, 16 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 7-14 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 20 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 14-20 FG/FGA W
Given their duties on the teams, this is the only game Kareem
had the upper hand.

Date: Fri 04/16/71
- Chamberlain 23 pts, 12 rebs, 4 as, 6 blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA – 5 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 20 pts, 15 rebs, 5 as, 3 blocks, 7-23 FG/FGA W
Wilt dominated the final match up. They both did not rebound well
because Kareem tried to take his game outside (and Wilt get's most of
his rebounds defensively not offensively.) Wilt outscored Kareem again,
and obliterated Kareem's fg% - he blocked Kareem 5 times.

Video coverage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWRmCBYymM0&t=13m50s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnSEwXP_5gc&t=15m25s

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r77rhK3LrGg/T0mwP9yvgzI/AAAAAAAADAE/-Bap67Kmjcw/s800/April%25208th%25201971%2520-%2520Lakers%2520hopes%2520rest%2520in%2520Wilt%252 0%2528prior%2520to%2520Bucks%2520series%2529.jpg

Consensus of game 2: Wilt bests Lew... Wilt Devastating
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KqUzT3hmNHM/T0mwRDj0HDI/AAAAAAAADAY/w6tAYZV4h8c/s800/April%252012th%25201971%2520-%2520Wilt%2520bests%2520lew%2520but%2520Bucks%2520 win.jpg

Consensus of game 3: Even Bucks Oscar Robertson commented - "Chamberlain made a big difference"
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y0utVbmcpFc/T0mwR-gTNbI/AAAAAAAADA0/fperatU7Ue4/s800/April%252015%25201971%2520-%2520Chamberlain%2520integral%2520to%2520Lakers%25 20win%2520at%2520Bucks.jpg

Recap of the series 3 games in: Veteran Chamberlain has kept the NBA Most Valuable Player Alcindor from dominating the series
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nHxWpTOo2GM/T0mwRGtb3rI/AAAAAAAADAU/zEE_ivJI4-U/s800/April%252016th%25201971%2520-%2520Recap%2520of%2520Bucks-Lakers%2520playoffs%2520after%25203%2520games.jpg

Milwaukee's recap of game 5, and the series: Despite the Buck's victory... A massive image of Wilt swatting their MVP is used to showcase the series and it takes up quite a lot of the sports page real estate... Again, this is the Milwaukee Journal :bowdown: - they extended the game description going out of their way to talk about Wilt's performance for two pages.
Part 1:
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:violin:

Kill yourself.

[Deuce Bigalow]

'71 series:
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Consensus of game 2: Wilt bests Lew... Wilt Devastating
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Consensus of game 3: Even Bucks Oscar Robertson commented - "Chamberlain made a big difference"
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Recap of the series 3 games in: Veteran Chamberlain has kept the NBA Most Valuable Player Alcindor from dominating the series
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Milwaukee's recap of game 5, and the series: Despite the Buck's victory... A massive image of Wilt swatting their MVP is used to showcase the series and it takes up quite a lot of the sports page real estate... Again, this is the Milwaukee Journal :bowdown: - they extended the game description going out of their way to talk about Wilt's performance for two pages.
Part 1:
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Part 2:
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:violin:

Kill yourself.
http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/white-kid-dance-club.gif

Did not read lol

[Kblaze8855]

There are an awful lot of posts in topics like these that probably should be deleted.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/white-kid-dance-club.gif

Did not read lol

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/S2Art/tgp-104~I-Understand-I-Just-Don-t-Care-Posters.jpg

[WillC]

In 28 meetings, Wilt's Lakers won 14 games while Kareem's Bucks also won 14 games.

Here are their stats:

- Wilt Chamberlain: 16.1 ppg, 18.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, .526 FG%

- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 31.0 ppg, 16.4 rpg, 3.9 apg, .464 FG%

Wilt Chamberlain was aged 33 to 36 during all of those games and, at that stage of his career, was happy to defer to Jerry West offensively.

It's incredible that someone so old was able to do such an amazing job against the young Kareem. If he could do this well in his mid-30s, imagine how much better Wilt would have been than Kareem if they'd played when Wilt was in his prime?

[Deuce Bigalow]

In 28 meetings, Wilt's Lakers won 14 games while Kareem's Bucks also won 14 games.

Here are their stats:

- Wilt Chamberlain: 16.1 ppg, 18.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, .526 FG%

- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 31.0 ppg, 16.4 rpg, 3.9 apg, .464 FG%

Wilt Chamberlain was aged 33 to 36 during all of those games and, at that stage of his career, was happy to defer to Jerry West offensively.

It's incredible that someone so old was able to do such an amazing job against the young Kareem. If he could do this well in his mid-30s, imagine how much better Wilt would have been than Kareem if they'd played when Wilt was in his prime?
Double the points :oldlol:
Owned Wilt the "stilt" and that was when Kareem wasn't even strong yet

[bwink23]

http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/white-kid-dance-club.gif

Did not read lol


I read it for you...and yes sounds like Wilt was giving Lew Alcindor, DA BIZ NAZ!!!

[Deuce Bigalow]

I read it for you...and yes sounds like Wilt was giving Lew Alcindor, DA BIZ NAZ!!!
16 points per game is the BIZ NAZ?
ok :oldlol:

[WillC]

Double the points :oldlol:
Owned Wilt the "stilt" and that was when Kareem wasn't even strong yet

I suppose you were impressed when Kobe put up some big numbers against a 38 year old Michael Jordan :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

I suppose you were impressed when Kobe put up some big numbers against a 38 year old Michael Jordan :facepalm
Jordan didn't guard him :facepalm

[bwink23]

Double the points :oldlol:
Owned Wilt the "stilt" and that was when Kareem wasn't even strong yet


Yet, by your own Kobetard standards for the Mamba...Wilt would be like 40 years old here with all the heavy minutes he played. You seem to ignore that Wilt was in a real system at this point, and not looking for his shot as he would in his younger years...

Kareem = not strong yet.....Wilt = on crutches and old at this point.

What's striking here is that Kareem is normally a 55-58% FG shooter, while Wilt held him to 46%, far below a big man's standards, especially his own..........:no:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yet, by your own Kobetard standards for the Mamba...Wilt would be like 40 years old here with all the heavy minutes he played. You seem to ignore that Wilt was in a real system at this point, and not looking for his shot as he would in his younger years...

Kareem = not strong yet.....Wilt = on crutches and old at this point.

What's striking here is that Kareem is normally a 55-58% FG shooter, while Wilt held him to 46%, far below a big man's standards, especially his own..........:no:
Kareem was still a skinny kid, like Wilt was in the early 60's
A kid vs a man...and he still was better pretty easily

[bwink23]

Kareem was still a skinny kid, like Wilt was in the early 60's
A kid vs a man...and he still was better pretty easily


Better cuz he took more shots?? PLEASE, take that trash to the garbage.

Wilt must have swatted 4 times more shots than Jabbar did...that's just WRONG.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Better cuz he took more shots?? PLEASE, take that trash to the garbage.

Wilt must have swatted 4 times more shots than Jabbar did...that's just WRONG.
Kareem 6 rings
Wilt 2 rings

next

[FireDavidKahn]

My grandpa once told me that Wilt would dunk from so far away, that they decided to create a 3 point line.

[bwink23]

Kareem 6 rings
Wilt 2 rings

next


At the time they played each other.......Wilt 2 rings....Kareem 1 ring, NEXT.......:applause:

[WillC]

Kareem 6 rings
Wilt 2 rings

next

Russell 11 rings.

Wilt outplayed Russell in nearly every game though.

So what's your point?

[Jon_Koncak]

My grandpa once told me that Wilt would dunk from so far away, that they decided to create a 3 point line.

this doesnt make sense

[bwink23]

Kareem 6 rings
Wilt 2 rings

next


Kareem's highest scoring seasons EVER came in Chamberlain's last 3 years...when Jabbar was just a "skinny kid", yet he was 23,24,25 years old at the time......:rolleyes:

[FireDavidKahn]

this doesnt make sense
Sure it does. My grandpa told me this and he doesn't lie.

[Deuce Bigalow]

At the time they played each other.......Wilt 2 rings....Kareem 1 ring, NEXT.......:applause:
:facepalm
****ing idiot :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

My grandpa once told me that Wilt would dunk from so far away, that they decided to create a 3 point line.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[taucesays]

Around the same time Wilt was also putting up ridiculously impressive broad jump numbers that are understood to be as far as 22 feet. For comparison purposes almost all high school track athletes can not reach 22 feet in a running long jump and Wilt is reported to have reached that length from a stationary standing broad jump position.


You realize this blows up everything you've said? The free throw line is 15 feet from the backboard. If he could broad jump 22 feet, he should be able to dunk without steps.

The farthest broad jump I could find in the NFL combine is Calvin Johnson with 11' 7". You expect me to believe someone almost doubled that?

[bwink23]

:facepalm
****ing idiot :oldlol:


:confusedshrug: ....that is the same argument you'd be using if it was 1973 on InsideHoops Forums.......:lol

[bwink23]

:oldlol: :oldlol:


That wasn't funny at all....:rolleyes:

[CavaliersFTW]

You realize this blows up everything you've said? The free throw line is 15 feet from the backboard. If he could broad jump 22 feet, he should be able to dunk without steps.

The farthest broad jump I could find in the NFL combine is Calvin Johnson with 11' 7". You expect me to believe someone almost doubled that?

Wilt long-jumped 22'8" as a PR... no it wasn't standing it was running. Don't let misinformation kill everything.

He placed 1st place in the Philadelphia city-league high-jump his sophomore year in HS with a jump of 5'10"

He placed 1st place in the Philadelphia city-league high-jump his senior year in HS with a jump of 6'2

He also had a PR of 46' 2.5" as a freshman at KU Relays for the triple jump (ineligible to place however, due to age)
He competed in High Jump (ineligible) as a freshmen for 6'4.75"

He Triple Jumped 45' 9" as a sophomore for 3rd place at KU Relays
High Jumped 6'6 to tie for first place.

High Jumped 6'6.25 at Drake Relays for first place

High Jumped 6'5 at Kansas State Big-Seven tournament and won first place

And his Junior season:
High Jumped 6'6.75" at Kansas State Big-Eight indoor track tournament and tied for first place

When Wilt's athleticism claims get out of hand it causes people to think "none of it" was true. Don't belive the 22 foot standing long jump obviously. But don't dismiss the ACTUAL accountable events that happened either.

[Deuce Bigalow]

jlauber, CavaliersFTW, and WillC might have Alzheimers

They think it's 1971 or something the way that they keep talking about a dead guy

[taucesays]

Wilt long-jumped 22'8" as a PR... no it wasn't standing it was running. Don't let misinformation kill everything.

He also had a PR of 46' 2.5" as a freshman at KU Relays for the triple jump (ineligible to place however, due to age)

He Triple Jumped 45' 9" as a sophomore for 3rd place at KU Relays
High Jumped 6'6 to tie for first place.

High Jumped 6'6.25 at Drake Relays for first place

High Jumped 6'5 at Kansas State Big-Seven tournament and won first place

And his Junior season:
High Jumped 6'6.75" at Kansas State Big-Eight indoor track tournament and won first place

When Wilt's athleticism claims get out of hand is what causes people to think "none of it" was true. Don't belive the 22 foot standing long jump bullshit. But don't dismiss the ACTUAL accountable events that happened either.


22' feet isn't very far for the long jump. UCLA has a wide receiver who can break 24'

I can't find any reliable sources about his long jumps but many places claim he could triple jump over 50'. Mike Connelly Sr. owns the world record for triple jump at 58' 3.25". He was able to 2 handed slam from 5' 7" behind the free throw line with a full court running start. I'm not saying Wilt wasn't a beast, I'm sure he could do something similarly impressive. But lets not go and believe everything.

[CavaliersFTW]

22' feet isn't very far for the long jump. UCLA has a wide receiver who can break 24'

:facepalm

22'8" is very impressive for a teenager.

It isn't worthy for a big Track school like KU though, Hence Wilt didn't compete in the long jump in the NCAA - only in HS.

[CavaliersFTW]

22' feet isn't very far for the long jump. UCLA has a wide receiver who can break 24'

I can't find any reliable sources about his long jumps but many places claim he could triple jump over 50'. Mike Connelly Sr. owns the world record for triple jump at 58' 3.25". He was able to 2 handed slam from 5' 7" behind the free throw line with a full court running start. I'm not saying Wilt wasn't a beast, I'm sure he could do something similarly impressive. But lets not go and believe everything.

I don't care what other sources claim. I have KU and Philadelphia city-league info that comes straight from that time period. Not sources from the 2000's that have been skewed by 50 years time. It's like the telephone game, the information passes enough times through peoples mouths and by the end of the line it's not the same as it used to be.

[bwink23]

22' feet isn't very far for the long jump. UCLA has a wide receiver who can break 24'

I can't find any reliable sources about his long jumps but many places claim he could triple jump over 50'. Mike Connelly Sr. owns the world record for triple jump at 58' 3.25". He was able to 2 handed slam from 5' 7" behind the free throw line with a full court running start. I'm not saying Wilt wasn't a beast, I'm sure he could do something similarly impressive. But lets not go and believe everything.


:roll: ....no he didn't.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqymSa79vqg


NOT....EVEN>>>>CLOSE!!!!! :hammerhead:

[taucesays]

:facepalm

22'8" is very impressive for a teenager.

It isn't worthy for a big Track school like KU though, Hence Wilt didn't compete in the long jump in the NCAA - only in HS.

The 2011 California state champion long jumper hit 23' 4" in prelims and won with a distance of 22' 3.25". Wilt was definitely a great athlete but still on the same level as great athletes of today.

[d21221hk]

holy shit, im surprised these 2 douchebags aren't banned or at least warned

[taucesays]

:roll: ....no he didn't.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqymSa79vqg


NOT....EVEN>>>>CLOSE!!!!! :hammerhead:

Sorry I got the dunks confused since I just read a quick news sumarry. It was his son that did it with one hand. That only furthers my point that Wilt wasn't some athenian god that could throw a ping pong ball through a brick wall.

[bwink23]

Sorry I got the dunks confused since I just read a quick news sumarry. It was his son that did it with one hand. That only furthers my point that Wilt wasn't some athenian god that could throw a ping pong ball through a brick wall.


Your saying his son could dunk it from almost 21 feet with one hand???

[CavaliersFTW]

The 2011 California state champion long jumper hit 23' 4" in prelims and won with a distance of 22' 3.25". Wilt was definitely a great athlete but still on the same level as great athletes of today.

Yep. Except.... Wilt was 7'1.06" tall. You forgot about that little diddy. He did what 6'0-6'5" people do. That's what made Wilt the "force" people talk about. He's a big man doing what smell men do, effortlessly. And he does it all remarkably well.

How many athletes that compete in NCAA d1 Track and Field (and win) are 7'1 inches tall? He's an anomaly.

[taucesays]

Your saying his son could dunk it from almost 21 feet with one hand???

The video has been removed from youtube. I found a thread about it on here but not too much confirmation. All I'm trying to do is establish some sort of upper bound by comparing him to other athletes/records.

[taucesays]

Yep. Except.... Wilt was 7'1.06" tall. You forgot about that little diddy. He did what 6'0-6'5" people do. That's what made Wilt the "force" people talk about. He's a big man doing what smell men do, effortlessly. And he does it all remarkably well.

How many athletes that compete in NCAA d1 Track and Field (and win) are 7'1 inches tall? He's an anomaly.

Yes. Except that the stories also say he was a champion 100m runner. Long jump is about speed and explosion. You're claiming he has those. You can't have it both ways.

[CavaliersFTW]

Yes. Except that the stories also say he was a champion 100m runner. Long jump is about speed and explosion. You're claiming he has those. You can't have it both ways.

No the stories don't say that at all :hammerhead:

They all say he was an accomplished, multi-event track athlete. And he was.

100 meter sprints - and explosiveness for long/triple/high jump = same thing.... explosive.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=svUeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6osEAAAAIBAJ&dq=wilt%20chamberlain%20hank&pg=7442%2C2836511
4.6 40 - barefoot. - Clocked by Kansas City Chief's coach Hank Strom.

And again, realize that this is what small men pull for sprint times. Yet - Wilt is 290lbs and over 7'1" tall... seeeeeeeeeeeee? U seeing it now? No his accomplishments aren't inhuman. But his size + accomplishments ARE "inhuman" if that's the way you wanna look at it. It's just never been like that before, nobody his size has really been that athletic.

[taucesays]

My point is that all of the verifiable information we have about Wilts feats places him squarely within the human realm. The premise of this thread is that Wilt could do a 3 stutter step dunk from inside the top half of the free throw circle. Someone also mentioned that he had a standing long jump of 22'. My claim is that and a lot of other stories about him are utter bullish*t. He was definitely a top athlete abnormality. I would place him on the level of Usain Bolt, LeBron, and Michael Phelps. That doesn't mean everything you hear about him is true.

[CavaliersFTW]

My point is that all of the verifiable information we have about Wilts feats places him squarely within the human realm. The premise of this thread is that Wilt could do a 3 stutter step dunk from inside the top half of the free throw circle. Someone also mentioned that he had a standing long jump of 22'. My claim is that and a lot of other stories about him are utter bullish*t. He was definitely a top athlete abnormality. I would place him on the level of Usain Bolt, LeBron, and Michael Phelps. That doesn't mean everything you hear about him is true.

Just think about it for a second... What do you get when you combine Track and Field agility of a small person, with a with a wingspan and standing reach greater/equal to a Yao Ming sized person.....

(A guy who could FT dunk in 3 strides)

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

Look at the size of his strides and his acceleration from a dead standstill. Yah, 3 step free throw dunks are definitely not possible with other known people who are his size. Nor other smaller people with his agility. But it's possible with him because he has both.

[taucesays]

I believe that he could do it with 3 real strides. I think it's fair to say his strides were around his own height, so lets say 7 feet. That places him a bit outside the circle at center court. I also believe there are currently players in the NBA could do the same get very close. Wilt also had retardedly long arms so that give him a huge advantage when jumping from far distances.

[mrpibb]

I believe that he could do it with 3 real strides. I think it's fair to say his strides were around his own height, so lets say 7 feet. That places him a bit outside the circle at center court. I also believe there are currently players in the NBA could do the same get very close. Wilt also had retardedly long arms so that give him a huge advantage when jumping from far distances.

I think that's what Tex said. So we're in agreement here.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I believe that he could do it with 3 real strides. I think it's fair to say his strides were around his own height, so lets say 7 feet. That places him a bit outside the circle at center court. I also believe there are currently players in the NBA could do the same get very close. Wilt also had retardedly long arms so that give him a huge advantage when jumping from far distances.
So a 8 foot dunk right?

[FireDavidKahn]

I don't get why people are talking about Wilt high jumping 6'6 like it's a good thing. 6'6 is pathetic. Last year the winner in Minnesota jumped 6'10. Besides he jumped forward over the high jump?:oldlol: Horrible form.

[kenny817]

http://i.imgur.com/3B2Vs.png

Still haven't read, but that image looks more to me like he was grabbing a rebound. I mean he's jumping off his right leg, with the ball in his right hand, in a sort of weird position. If he were to do a free throw line type dunk, being a righty, he would jump off his leg, with his right leg going forward, ball on right hand, and vice versa if he were lefty.

this is clearly a fastbreak

[-23-]

Just think about it for a second... What do you get when you combine Track and Field agility of a small person, with a with a wingspan and standing reach greater/equal to a Yao Ming sized person.....

(A guy who could FT dunk in 3 strides)

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump

Look at the size of his strides and his acceleration from a dead standstill. Yah, 3 step free throw dunks are definitely not possible with other known people who are his size. Nor other smaller people with his agility. But it's possible with him because he has both.

Watch that video. He does not gain nearly enough momentum to jump the distance for a FT-line dunk. What are you smoking?

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't get why people are talking about Wilt high jumping 6'6 like it's a good thing. 6'6 is pathetic. Last year the winner in Minnesota jumped 6'10. Besides he jumped forward over the high jump?:oldlol: Horrible form.

Learn about track and field history :no:

http://www.benchallenger.com/high-jump/history-of-the-high-jump

Wilt's era jumped differently, and into different pits. The #'s cannot be compared to modern #'s. Wilt's 6'6.75 PR was actually better than the 5th place jumper out of the 27 competitors in the 1956 Olympics. Wilt is far superior of a high-jumper than a 6'10 jumper today due to his relative #'s he produced in his era.

[bwink23]

I don't get why people are talking about Wilt high jumping 6'6 like it's a good thing. 6'6 is pathetic. Last year the winner in Minnesota jumped 6'10. Besides he jumped forward over the high jump?:oldlol: Horrible form.


Cuz Wilt was 7'1", that's pretty impressive for being that young at that height.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC05wQsC21Y

Here's the modern-day fastest man on the planet, who looks like he can hardly dunk......:rolleyes:

[CavaliersFTW]

what can you say?
retards gonna retard

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/S_5HsO8_ZlI/AAAAAAABSiE/uHZk6g5b1EA/s1600/Haters_Gonna_Hate_15.jpg

[Asukal]

First of all, I don't believe everything Wilt claimed. BUT, much of what he gets "credit" for, he did NOT claim. The famous "mountain lion" story, was a second hand account, and NOT directly given by Chamberlain. The famous "broken toe" story was NEVER attributed to Wilt. It was, in fact, claimed by the very person to whom it supposedly occurred.

The "20,000" women? Wilt regretted that claim, and in fact, he pulled that number from a fiend who ran a hotel in which Wilt stayed for 10 days. According to the story, the man counted 23 different women going to Wilt's room in that 10 day stay. Wilt was 48 at the time. He multipled 2.3 women per day, times 30 years (Wilt from 18-48.)

In any case, it was WELL-KNOWN that women FLOCKED to Wilt (and NOT the other way around.) Nate Thurmond told the story, that, after a practice, Wilt asked him what he was going to do that night. Thurmond told him that he was probably going to catch a Kim Novak movie. According to Nate, Wilt told him that he had a better idea. They jumped into Wilt's car (Bentley I believe), and drove awhile. They pulled up to a secluded home, and lo-and-behold, out comes Kim Novak. (BTW, just google her...she was beautiful.) And there were MANY more stories of Wilt's "companions" many of them among the hottest women at the time.

As for the rest...the 500 lb. bench...WAY too many accounts to believe that this was some kind of fabrication. Same with dunking on a 12 ft rim, or touching the top of the backboard, or dunking from the FT line. There was enough physical evidence, including VIDEO footage of amazing leaps by Chamberlain, as well as the well known fact that Wilt was a multi-event track star, who won high-jumping championships (all while doing it part-time and with poor technique.) And why would I NOT believe Sonny Hill or Tex Winter?

Here again, provide me with something concrete that DISPUTES most of these so-called "myths."

So which do you believe? Tex's version or Wilt's version? :confusedshrug:

[jlauber]

So which do you believe? Tex's version or Wilt's version? :confusedshrug:

Worst case, Tex, who claimed that Wilt only needed three steps. Best case, Wilt, starting his effort from just inside the top of the FT circle. In any case, there is a good chance that no other legitimate NBA player accomplished what Chamberlain did some 60 years ago.

[jlauber]

BTW, the world record for the Long Jump is 29' 4", and was set over 20 years ago. The previous record of 29' 2" was set in 1968.

[Asukal]

Worst case, Tex, who claimed that Wilt only needed three steps. Best case, Wilt, starting his effort from just inside the top of the FT circle. In any case, there is a good chance that no other legitimate NBA player accomplished what Chamberlain did some 60 years ago.

See? He actually believe Wilt could dunk from inside the circle... :facepalm

I'm done with your so called facts. :hammerhead:

[jlauber]

See? He actually believe Wilt could dunk from inside the circle... :facepalm

I'm done with your so called facts. :hammerhead:

You are among those "anti-Chamberlain" folks here who go out of their way to disparage Wilt's accomplishments.

As for the FT Line dunk story...much like his mythical vertical leap...I really don't care about the minute details. You see, I have been on this forum for over 2 years now, and when I came on board, the "Chamberlain-bashers" laughed at any discussion on Wilt's accomplishments. Any mention of an incredible vertical, or a mammoth bench press was met with..."Where is the footage." Which, as KBlaze and other's here have pointed out, did not exist for even some of the most major events that occurred in those years. Hell, we don't even have any footage of Wilt's 100 point game (although we DO have the radio broadcast of the 4th quarter.)

And, those "Wilt-detractors" always felt secure because, deep down, they knew that none existed. Well guess what? In the last few months, VIDEO FOOTAGE has suddenly surfaced, and we now have a Wilt block that INDISPUTABLY depicts Wilt's fingertips within a fraction of the top of the backboard. And keep in mind that, one, Wilt had no time to react; two, he only has a split-second to go straight up; three, he blocks the shot with his off-hand; and four, he is accomplishing this feat in a fast-paced game that surely would have drained something from him.

What is even more comical about that VIDEO footage, is that in the last few weeks, Sports Science came out with an episode in which Dwight Howard edges the so-called "record" set by Shaq at a draft combine, of 12' 5". And, Dwight is well-rested, gets two attempts, and has a full running start, and with his normal hand. With all of those benefits, he STILL didn't reach the REAL mark, at least by any LEGITIMATE NBA player, of Chamberlain in that video. CLEARLY, from everything seen in that VIDEO, Wilt would have been capable of MORE. Give a well-rested Wilt two explosive attempts, and with a running start, and his right hand fully extended, and there is now NO DOUBT, that Wilt was capable of touching the top of the backboard.

Of course, we had the EYE-WITNESS accounts of Sonny Hill, a well respected Philly sports icon, who obviously was around in the Wilt-era, and long-time Sixer trainer, Al Domenico, that were claiming Chamberlain accomplished that exact feat in the 60's.

And while the "anti-Chamberlain" clan were laughing at ANYTHING Chamberlain was credited with, most all of them were completely respectful of the claims of Bill Russell. Well, guess what again? Russell came out and said that he had his eyes at rim level. And no, I am not disputing that, either, BUT, clearly, if Russell could have accomplished that, then Wilt was easily capable of it. In any case, the general consensus by the players at the time, were that BOTH Russell and Wilt were touching the top of the backboard. And we now have VIDEO footage which confirms that Chamberlain would have easily accomplished it.

And, back to the OP, and again since I have been here, the "FT Line Dunk" story was ripped by those with their "anti-Wilt" agenda. It was impossible, and it never happened. Well, we still don't have VIDEO footage (but here again, given the times, why would we?), BUT, we suddenly have the VIDEO conversation with well-respected Tex Winter, who was so well respected that he was in charge of the Rules Committee at the time, who claims that he witnessed Chamberlain, taking three steps, and dunking the ball from a FT line leap. And, on top of that, Cavalier fan has also pulled NEWSPAPER ARTICLES from that period, which confirm exactly that. So, this was not something that just surfaced, but was in FACT, well known AT THE TIME.

I was also among those that claimed that Wilt had a good outside game (I actuall SAW games in which Wilt was hitting shots from 15+ feet), BUT, since we had very little VIDEO footage, I was ripped here by the "Wilt-disparagers." One well-known "Wilt-hater" put together a two-minute "highlight" video, covering portions of two of Wilt's playoff games that did have video footage, and of course, he deliberately edited out Wilt's better shots. But even then, in his agenda-driven obsession to disparage Wilt, Chamberlain STILL went 8-13 from the floor in that "highlight video." Once again, though, he edited only the worst of Wilt's moves and shots.

Well, lo-and-behold, thanks to someone going with the moniker of DanTheMan, we now have SEVERAL college games on VIDEO, one of them a complete game, in which Wilt is CLEARLY making shots from 15+ feet, including a jump shot from the above the FT line. These were not some RANDOM, ISOLATED shots that Wilt in his career, but, in fact, were ROUTINE SHOTS that he was taking in full games. Even Wilt's FT's look respectable (which, BTW, Wilt claimed in his autobiography...that he was a decent FT shooter in college, and in his early NBA years.)

I also claimed that Wilt was ROUTINELY blocking Kareem's skyhook. Well, we have VIDEO footage in which an older and heavier Wilt, and probably a year removed from major knee surgery (he only battled Kareem in one of their 28 H2H games before his knee injury) blocks not one, but TWO of the "unblockable" skyhooks, and within a span of seconds. Of course, Julizaver, who is probably the most used source in the actual H2H games, had Wilt with a known 24 blocks on Kareem, and in only five of their 28 H2H games (and we also have Robert Cherry with an additional five block game, bringing the known total to 29 in just six of their H2H battles.) And given the fact that Kareem was almost exclusively shooting the skyhook at the time (and let's get real here...Kareem would not have been taking other shots if Wilt couldn't block his skyhook), it is a relative certainty that I was indeed correct, and that Chamberlain was ROUTINELY blocking Kareem's skyhook. BTW, that DanThe Man is quoted as claiming that Wilt blocked 23 of Kareem's skyhooks, just in the '72 WCF's. I was on record as claiming it was 15. Here again, no matter what the actual number was, there can be no doubt that it was quite a few.

PHILA, Pointguard, myself, and some other's here, had an interesting discussion a while back regarding footage of Wilt's games. The point was, IF the NBA ever started releasing the supposed footage that exists (Bill Simmons claims to have watched video footage of a game in which Wilt scored 73 points...but, of course, he is a well-known liar, so not sure we can believe anything that idiot claims), that it would be the death-knell of the "Wilt-bashers." They would be exposed for the uneducated fools that they have been all along.

I have long maintained that if we could get our hands on just a few of Wilt's 271 40+ point games, or better yet, just a couple of Chamberlain's 118 50+ point games (actually 122, if you include his post-season games), or god forbid, even one of his 32 60+ point games, that we would have a much better view of the REAL Chamberlain. I KNOW that it would blow away the "Wilt-bashers" who have claimed that Wilt was basically a stumbling clod who just overpowered helpless 6-6 white nerds for point-blank dunks. If anything, the vast majority of Chamberlain's points came on 5-15 ft shots. Had he chosen to play like Shaq, he most certainly could have scored FAR more. Having said that, though, I have no doubt that the NBA would never have allowed it. They would have enacted more "Wilt-Only" rules, perhaps one that would have been an exclusive Wilt rule, which would have banned him from the paint altogether on the offensive end.

So, I already know that the "anti-Wilt" clan (including the idiotic Simmons) are becoming more-and-more uncomfortable, as more-and-more FOOTAGE of Chamberlain is becoming available. They can no longer just deny what so MANY who were around in the Wilt-era claimed.

Of course, even with the MOUNTAINS of evidence that exists out there now, they still refuse to believe it. And that is there sole argument (they have NOTHING else)...they refuse to believe it...even if their own eyes tell them differently.

[Lebron23]

Chamberlain was very unlucky because he played in the 1960's. Prime Chamberlain in today's NBA = best athlete in the world.

[Asukal]

You are among those "anti-Chamberlain" folks here who go out of their way to disparage Wilt's accomplishments.

Of course, even with the MOUNTAINS of evidence that exists out there now, they still refuse to believe it. And that is there sole argument (they have NOTHING else)...they refuse to believe it...even if their own eyes tell them differently.

1. How am I anti-Chamberlain when I respect his place among the top ATG players? If I am anti anything, that would be anti-jlauber and his unhealthy infatuation to wilt. You are just like the Kobe stans in this forum, in your eyes your idol has no flaws. You are the bruce blitz of ISH, knowledgeable but totally biased.

2. If Wilt could really dunk his FT from inside the circle, why did Tex saw a different scenario? The answer is because he couldn't, he loves to prop himself up by exaggerating his stories. Stop being blind to reality, Wilt like any other person is not without flaws. Grow up.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

My 2 cents:

Based on his practiced high jump 3-step approach and how closely it follows Tex's description, it looks like he almost certainly took 3 steps to dunk it. You do need a lot of momentum to sail across the free throw line. It's hard enough to believe anybody did it in 3 steps but he had one of the most impressive looking strides + acceleration in just 3 steps that I've ever seen out of an athlete. Most high jumpers of his time took at least 5 steps and most took 7. At that age he was still thin - but he had a lot of strength in those long legs.

I also don't think Wilt is an outright liar like some people do, I think he's more of just an entertaining "story teller" in the sense that he embellishes things to get a point across - it just sounds ridiculous to people that don't understand this because he's embellishing things that are already impressive or otherworldly enough that they wouldn't need any exaggeration. If he's referring to the foul circle - he's likely embellishing his ability to free throw dunk. But has anyone considered that he might be referring to staying within the half-court circle? His 3 strides might have stretched him out that far, just a thought.

Check out his 3 stride high-jump - his first few approaches show very impressive speed and explosion by only his 3rd step from a dead stand-still.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc&t=4m27s

Check this out too. His stride rate when he opens up the throttle with those long legs :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc&t=5m40s

[La Frescobaldi]

You realize this blows up everything you've said? The free throw line is 15 feet from the backboard. If he could broad jump 22 feet, he should be able to dunk without steps.

The farthest broad jump I could find in the NFL combine is Calvin Johnson with 11' 7". You expect me to believe someone almost doubled that?

You realize you didn't read my own comment on that article?

which was......
edit: I don't know that the guy can jump that far.... I'm just saying these articles are EVERYWHERE saying he could. Now a running long jump? absolutely I'd bet money he could get 22'

[La Frescobaldi]

Chamberlain was very unlucky because he played in the 1960's. Prime Chamberlain in today's NBA = best athlete in the world.

his coach, Alex Hannum, went on record in 2003 saying he thought Chamberlain was one of the best athletes "in the history of time"

[Deuce Bigalow]

See? He actually believe Wilt could dunk from inside the circle... :facepalm

I'm done with your so called facts. :hammerhead:
He also thinks Wilt could bench 500 lbs and had a vertical of 48-50 inches
Here is a full list of what he believes : http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=253480
he even replied saying that it was all true :oldlol:

[taucesays]

I don't get why people are talking about Wilt high jumping 6'6 like it's a good thing. 6'6 is pathetic. Last year the winner in Minnesota jumped 6'10. Besides he jumped forward over the high jump?:oldlol: Horrible form.

They didn't use the fosbury flop back then. 6' 6" is very high for the time and was probably pretty close to the world record. High school kids can break 7 feet now.

[ProfessorMurder]

Wilt broad jumped 22 feet, foul line to rim = 13... Yeah it was probably impossible for him.

[taucesays]

Wilt broad jumped 22 feet, foul line to rim = 13... Yeah it was probably impossible for him.

This is a blatant lie and simply not possible

[bwink23]

I don't believe Wilt had a 48 inch vertical but i do believe he could get in the 36-40" range. You can tell by looking at some his pics how how he got up on his jump. Watch the video above that Cav's posted...look at the speed when Wilt actually tried. That's amazing acceleration for a guy over 7-foot tall.

[bwink23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc

Look at the height of Wilt's jump at 5:18...that is a true 1-step vertical jump, not even going straight up....he cleared at least 36" on this IN-GAME jump. You can tell cuz his head looks at the rim, and look at the air under his feet with respect to the other players on the floor....you can't deny Wilt was an incredible 7-foot athlete beyond his sheer size.

[La Frescobaldi]

This is a blatant lie and simply not possible
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I'm pretty sure they were talking about a long jump, or as it used to be called the running broad jump. And it got twisted over the years which was an exact example of why they changed the name to long jump.

But that kind of jump is nothing new, check out Wikipedia about the long jump....

"Most notable in the ancient sport was a man called Chionis, who in the 656BC Olympics staged a jump of 7.05 metres (23 feet and 1.7 inches)."

People haven't evolved a jot nor tittle since the Ancient Greeks and quite probably thousands of years before that... contrary to what you find all the time on internet boards.

What's changed is technology and, uhh.... "medical advances."

Look at weight lifting records and it seems like people are suddenly getting stronger.... but take away the power shirt and look at pure lifting records... and it looks like steroids. Which matches nicely with the fact that power lifters are getting busted left and right for steroid use

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So anyhow you can see that 22' would be a moderate world class leap. With 3 steps (which both Tex Winter & Chamberlain himself said he used) it would not be anything surprising that Chamberlain could dunk from the free throw line.

We're talking about one of the greatest athletes in history, a guy who NFL great Jim Brown feared: "I'd rather get in the ring with Muhammad Ali than Wilt Chamberlain."

[ProfessorMurder]

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I'm pretty sure they were talking about a long jump, or as it used to be called the running broad jump. And it got twisted over the years which was an exact example of why they changed the name to long jump.

But that kind of jump is nothing new, check out Wikipedia about the long jump....

"Most notable in the ancient sport was a man called Chionis, who in the 656BC Olympics staged a jump of 7.05 metres (23 feet and 1.7 inches)."

People haven't evolved a jot nor tittle since the Ancient Greeks and quite probably thousands of years before that... contrary to what you find all the time on internet boards.

What's changed is technology and, uhh.... "medical advances."

Look at weight lifting records and it seems like people are suddenly getting stronger.... but take away the power shirt and look at pure lifting records... and it looks like steroids. Which matches nicely with the fact that power lifters are getting busted left and right for steroid use

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So anyhow you can see that 22' would be a moderate world class leap. With 3 steps (which both Tex Winter & Chamberlain himself said he used) it would not be anything surprising that Chamberlain could dunk from the free throw line.

We're talking about one of the greatest athletes in history, a guy who NFL great Jim Brown feared: "I'd rather get in the ring with Muhammad Ali than Wilt Chamberlain."

Plus Wilt's jump was officially measured... But I guess every Wilt number is wrong.

[Owl]

I also don't think Wilt is an outright liar like some people do, I think he's more of just an entertaining "story teller" in the sense that he embellishes things to get a point across - it just sounds ridiculous to people that don't understand this because he's embellishing things that are already impressive or otherworldly enough that they wouldn't need any exaggeration. If he's referring to the foul circle - he's likely embellishing his ability to free throw dunk. But has anyone considered that he might be referring to staying within the half-court circle? His 3 strides might have stretched him out that far, just a thought.

I'm too not sure that I'd endorse Wilt's character with regard to honesty. And I haven't read through the whole thread, but in "Wilt: Just another ..." his first book (his autobigography, written at the end of his career, rather than his later books which were more opinion/musing based and which included claims of 50" vertical and 20,000 women) he claims to have run up from around center court (could dig up the quote if anyone really cares) for his free throw dunks. No mention of 3 steps (which I don't personally believe, but Wilt did have very long lengs so would cover greater disances in fewer strides). I tend to doubt 3 strides and don't know whether or not he was breaking the plane of the ft line (as I vaguely seem to recall Dr J doing for his free throw line dunk), to me it's not really that relevant. Wilt was a tremendous athlete and anyone who thinks he was only good because he was playing in an predominantly white league doesn't know their history.

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm too not sure that I'd endorse Wilt's character with regard to honesty. And I haven't read through the whole thread, but in "Wilt: Just another ..." his first book (his autobigography, written at the end of his career, rather than his later books which were more opinion/musing based and which included claims of 50" vertical and 20,000 women) he claims to have run up from around center court (could dig up the quote if anyone really cares) for his free throw dunks. No mention of 3 steps (which I don't personally believe, but Wilt did have very long lengs so would cover greater disances in fewer strides). I tend to doubt 3 strides and don't know whether or not he was breaking the plane of the ft line (as I vaguely seem to recall Dr J doing for his free throw line dunk), to me it's not really that relevant. Wilt was a tremendous athlete and anyone who thinks he was only good because he was playing in an predominantly white league doesn't know their history.

I didn't endorse it as honesty. I just don't think he's a flat out liar. I'll clarify - I think he's the kind of person who's a story teller that embellishes events. Events that very likely occurred. Which doesn't make him a flat out liar IMO - he's a guy who exaggerates in order to be entertaining or satisfy his ego. If that's lying in some peoples eyes fair enough, but to me there's a difference between exaggeration and straight up lies. Lies, in my mind, come out of nowhere, exaggeration ultimately stems from truth...

I don't take his comments word for word, but if he says he free throw dunked and Tex also says he free throw dunked I don't toss out Wilt's verification - It's still viable to use as long as you take how he says it with a grain of Salt. I believe Tex is more on the money of how Wilt dunked it. The details of Wilt's stories is where he likes to enhance, so I discard those in a literal sense and translate as follows: 20,000... 50 inches... 70ppg... = "A lot of women, very high, I'd dominate" - all probably true.

I'd read through the thread. His high jump approach was exactly 3 strides, I've posted video footage of it - it shows he accelerates VERY fast in 3 steps and indeed covers a lot of ground - if he practices his jumps that way and is used to jumping that way it makes sense he did it in 3 strides. That's exactly how Tex Winter described witnessing Wilt dunking and Tex at the time had never seen Wilt before, he didn't know a thing about Wilt's Track and Field abilities he was just scouting him for the first time Wilt's freshman season. Wilt never said 3 steps as far as I know. Tex Winter claimed it, and Tex is the one who had the rules changed. He described Wilt's ability to free throw dunk in 3 steps on two different occasions. Once in 1956 (when he pushed to have free throw dunking banned) and once again in 2011 as he described in more detail what he saw Wilt do. It seems very plausible based on his length, speed, and leaping ability. No other athlete had the combination of things going for them he had, they shouldn't be the benchmark for Wilt. His maximum reach is higher than Yao Ming, his speed in the 40 was 4.6 according to Kansas City Chiefs coach Hank Strom, and his Vertical - see above - very likely ~40". If anyone wouldn't need full court to dunk from the ft line it's going to be him it doesn't matter if nobody else has done it yet, they don't have all that going for them.

[Deuce Bigalow]

this is a man with a 42" vertical

http://www.wallpapernba.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/spud_webb-dunk-wallpaper.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

this is a man with a 42" vertical

This is a man with a 40" vertical... who isn't 5 foot nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs

[Deuce Bigalow]

This is a man with a 40" vertical... who isn't 5 foot nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[jlauber]

Dunce continues to provide ZERO facts, stats, logic, actual footage, actual game recaps, actual articles, actual quotes from peers and media...

HIS argument is..."Even though everything out there tells me that Wilt was actually accomplishing all of these physical feats...I refuse to believe it. The Tooth Fairy? Of course, everyone knows he exists."

[bwink23]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc

You can see Wilt's impressive vert. at 5:18 in this video...his head looks near rim level...and the bottom of his feet in reference to the guy he blocked looks at the height of his hips. I'm 5'10" and its 36" from the floor to my hips...

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc

You can see Wilt's impressive vert. at 5:18 in this video...his head looks near rim level...and the bottom of his feet in reference to the guy he blocked looks at the height of his hips. I'm 5'10" and its 36" from the floor to my hips...

Same link with the time code embedded for viewer convenience -- def not max-vert either, he stutter steps and slows way down to time the block.

:cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc&t=5m11s

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZXiaDzyc

You can see Wilt's impressive vert. at 5:18 in this video...his head looks near rim level...and the bottom of his feet in reference to the guy he blocked looks at the height of his hips. I'm 5'10" and its 36" from the floor to my hips...
I almost fell off my chair laughing at the title of the video

[bwink23]

I almost fell off my chair laughing at the title of the video


You find totally NOT funny things to be funny...i now question that your even 15 years old. Anyways, your seem blinded by the notion that cuz Wilt was playing in an athletically inferior(in general) era, that somehow has bearing on how he would do today. He would still be the most athletic and imposing center in the game today. AGREE or NO?? And if you don't agree, who do you think is the better athlete today at the center position?

[Deuce Bigalow]

This is what 40+" looks like

http://www.wallpapernba.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/spud_webb-dunk-wallpaper.jpg

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Wilson+Chandler+Nate+Robinson+Slam+Dunk+Contest+Qs 2V4QbnKgml.jpg


Now stop with the ****ing tall tales :facepalm Wilt is no where near 40"
and that Nate dunk might not even be 40" but sure is way higher than Wilt could jump

[CavaliersFTW]

I almost fell off my chair laughing at the title of the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_o07JSf1z8&t=4s

Deuce has fallen :rockon:

[CavaliersFTW]

You find totally NOT funny things to be funny...i now question that your even 15 years old. Anyways, your seem blinded by the notion that cuz Wilt was playing in an athletically inferior(in general) era, that somehow has bearing on how he would do today. He would still be the most athletic and imposing center in the game today. AGREE or NO?? And if you don't agree, who do you think is the better athlete today at the center position?

Deuce thinks Jafail is better despite only being 251lbs and 6'11 in his bare feet with the IQ of a tomatoe. :lol

Not worth asking him

[Deuce Bigalow]

Deuce thinks Jafail is better despite only being 251lbs and 6'11 in his bare feet with the IQ of a tomatoe. :lol

Not worth asking him
you think Wilt had a 40"-50" vertical :roll: :roll: :
and that Wilt would "destroy" or dominate todays NBA :oldlol:
let me guess. best athlete ever? 500 lb bench press easy for him? :facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

you think Wilt had a 40"-50" vertical :roll: :roll: :
and that Wilt would "destroy" or dominate todays NBA :oldlol:

40" - yes

And I'm in good company about thinking he would dominate :cheers:

Every NBA player agree's. You won't find one that won't. Kobe ranked him #1 ahead of himself. U mad?

[Deuce Bigalow]

40" - yes

And I'm in good company about thinking he would dominate :cheers:

Every NBA player agree's. You won't find one that won't. Kobe ranked him #1 ahead of himself. U mad?
he doesn't get EVEN CLOSE to 40"

He wouldn't dominate because the only reason he dominated because he played in a weak era like George Mikan.

[CavaliersFTW]

he doesn't get EVEN CLOSE to 40"

He wouldn't dominate because the only reason he dominated because he played in a weak era like George Mikan.

Damn u angry! muh bad brah!

[bwink23]

he doesn't get EVEN CLOSE to 40"

He wouldn't dominate because the only reason he dominated because he played in a weak era like George Mikan.


What do you guess his vertical to be???

[Deuce Bigalow]

What do you guess his vertical to be???
Hard to tell. but it's not 40"
Some videos it looks only 2 feet.That one photo looks like 3 feet maybe

[CavaliersFTW]

What do you guess his vertical to be???

Despite Wilt being a Big-Seven and Big-Eight high-jump champion for both 1957 and 1958 - in addition to being a prestigious Drake Relay's winner, KU Relay's winner, and a KU indoor high-jump record setter - with a PR good enough for 5th place in the 1956 Olympics out of 27 nation's competitors - he's gonna say something hilarious and asinine like 32" :roll:

As if elite D1 borderline world-class high jumper's of his caliber just have the run-of the mill vertical of the average 20 year old white guy... :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Hard to tell. but it's not 40"
Some videos it looks only 2 feet.That one photo looks like 3 feet maybe

Larry Bird's max vert was 28" :roll:

Dwane Wade's is 36" - how close to elite D1 high jumpers do you think Dwane Wade is? :lol

Dude couldn't out jump the #1 high-schooler what makes u think 36" verticals are worthy of 5th place out of 27 global countries again?

[bwink23]

Hard to tell. but it's not 40"
Some videos it looks only 2 feet.That one photo looks like 3 feet maybe


I'm not sure how to imbed images on here...but there's pic on Google images of chamberlain at rim-level with his head on an in-game dunk....for him to accomplish that:

height = 85"
rim = 120 inches......he'd have had to jump at least 33-35" to dunk it like that....now you don't believe that he could do more if there was no ball, and he actually prepped for the jump??

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm not sure how to imbed images on here...but there's pic on Google images of chamberlain at rim-level with his head on an in-game dunk....for him to accomplish that:

height = 85"
rim = 120 inches......he'd have had to jump at least 33-35" to dunk it like that....now you don't believe that he could do more if there was no ball, and he actually prepped for the jump??

Allow me to help:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WtOXPzNdgQM/T0xwAy-SLYI/AAAAAAAADFA/uW-0_meZdeM/s800/Corbis-U1257039.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4Teje8_1As8/T0xwAxfoP7I/AAAAAAAADFY/ASpGRhx5mW8/s800/download.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'm not sure how to imbed images on here...but there's pic on Google images of chamberlain at rim-level with his head on an in-game dunk....for him to accomplish that:

height = 85"
rim = 120 inches......he'd have had to jump at least 33-35" to dunk it like that....now you don't believe that he could do more if there was no ball, and he actually prepped for the jump??
image?

[bwink23]

image?


I don't know how to post images...CAVS did it one page back.

[CavaliersFTW]

image?


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WtOXPzNdgQM/T0xwAy-SLYI/AAAAAAAADFA/uW-0_meZdeM/s800/Corbis-U1257039.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4Teje8_1As8/T0xwAxfoP7I/AAAAAAAADFY/ASpGRhx5mW8/s800/download.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Hc4gzo28Zcg/T0xwA-3OoVI/AAAAAAAADFI/fqlo_doBoOw/s800/k36j37.jpg

And of course theirs always this little diddy... if someone had their arm that high today for a dunk the announcers would have a massive coronary heart attack and die at the table the way the spaz over dunks today.

[abuC]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WtOXPzNdgQM/T0xwAy-SLYI/AAAAAAAADFA/uW-0_meZdeM/s800/Corbis-U1257039.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4Teje8_1As8/T0xwAxfoP7I/AAAAAAAADFY/ASpGRhx5mW8/s800/download.jpg

You can't judge anything on angles like that, the only way to tell if someone is rim level is really a direct shot of the basket.

A camera looking up at a shot like that isn't really something to go off of.

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--TPPYteM7Xc/T0xvoYUEuFI/AAAAAAAADEk/H4FFJgv3-F8/s800/Corbis-BE025377.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

You can't judge anything on angles like that, the only way to tell if someone is rim level is really a direct shot of the basket.

A camera looking up at a shot like that isn't really something to go off of.

You can judge that he's really f_cking high... don't be an idiot and try to deny it. Just look at his feet in relation to other athletes/the floor. Deuce claimed a "2 foot" vertical. Does it look like 2 feet? Or is the camera angle too tricky to tell... :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

35" if he's at rim level. But I think the angle affects that
edit: 30-33"

[abuC]

You can judge that he's really f_cking high... don't be an idiot and try to deny it.


You must be around 13 if you don't know about camera perspective, here's a giant holding onto the Christ the redeemer statue in Brazil:

http://jedsundwall.com/rio/images/100-percent-jesus.jpg


That statue is 130ft tall, he's clearly a monster.



Like I said, you can't tell ANYTHING from these garbage camera angles you're posting as proof, all of them are either off angle or pointing up at the rim.

[bwink23]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Hc4gzo28Zcg/T0xwA-3OoVI/AAAAAAAADFI/fqlo_doBoOw/s800/k36j37.jpg

And of course theirs always this little diddy... if someone had their arm that high today for a dunk the announcers would have a massive coronary heart attack and die at the table the way the spaz over dunks today.

That's the photo i was looking at...doesn't look like a 2-foot vert to me...

[CavaliersFTW]

You must be around 13 if you don't know about camera perspective, here's a giant holding onto the Christ the redeemer statue in Brazil:

http://jedsundwall.com/rio/images/100-percent-jesus.jpg


That statue is 130ft tall, he's clearly a monster.



Like I said, you can't tell ANYTHING from these garbage camera angles you're posting as proof, all of them are either off angle or pointing up at the rim.

I know damn well about camera distortion and perspective in photography is a hobby of mine. I'll ask again. Are you going to sit here and say "I can not deduce whether or not Wilt's vertical was two feet or not because I don't trust the angle"!?

Get real. The distortion is NOT that extreme.

[CavaliersFTW]

You must be around 13 if you don't know about camera perspective, here's a giant holding onto the Christ the redeemer statue in Brazil:

http://jedsundwall.com/rio/images/100-percent-jesus.jpg


That statue is 130ft tall, he's clearly a monster.



Like I said, you can't tell ANYTHING from these garbage camera angles you're posting as proof, all of them are either off angle or pointing up at the rim.

I can tell your an idiot :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WtOXPzNdgQM/T0xwAy-SLYI/AAAAAAAADFA/uW-0_meZdeM/s800/Corbis-U1257039.jpg

that is your best pic. his feet are high off the ground

[Deuce Bigalow]

I can tell your an idiot :facepalm
hmm..

[bwink23]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WtOXPzNdgQM/T0xwAy-SLYI/AAAAAAAADFA/uW-0_meZdeM/s800/Corbis-U1257039.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4Teje8_1As8/T0xwAxfoP7I/AAAAAAAADFY/ASpGRhx5mW8/s800/download.jpg


Seeing is in the bottom photo that Wilt has his hand on the backboard and his arm in a bent position...i'd say he's well skying.

[abuC]

I can tell your an idiot :facepalm


I can tell you're a moron.

You're, not YOUR. If you plan on calling someone an idiot learn the difference.

:cheers: :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

35" if he's at rim level. But I think the angle affects that
edit: 30-33"

:hammerhead:

(High Jump Champ) Cough Cough.

[CavaliersFTW]

I can tell you're a moron.

You're, not YOUR. If you plan on calling someone an idiot learn the difference.

:cheers: :oldlol:

Thanks you sure showed me! :bowdown: Almighty spell checker!

[abuC]

I know damn well about camera distortion and perspective in photography is a hobby of mine. I'll ask again. Are you going to sit here and say "I can not deduce whether or not Wilt's vertical was two feet or not because I don't trust the angle"!?

Get real. The distortion is NOT that extreme.



Oh, so now photography is a hobby yet you're trying to narrow down to the inch how high someone jumped based on off angle pictures pointing UP at the rim. You might want to consider a new hobby if that's the case.

Matter of fact, you can save the NBA a lot of money with your precise skill. They can get rid of the vertec measurement tools they have and just take pictures of guys jumping and have you tell what everyone's vertical is @ the combine.

[CavaliersFTW]

Oh, so now photography is a hobby yet you're trying to narrow down to the inch how high someone jumped based on off angle pictures pointing UP at the rim. You might want to consider a new hobby if that's the case.

Matter of fact, you can save the NBA a lot of money with your precise skill. They can get rid of the vertec measurement tools they have and just take pictures of guys jumping and have you tell what everyone's vertical is @ the combine.

:facepalm

Show me my post where I attempt to narrow down his vertical by the inch via the rim. Show me. Shut up and stop Assuming you know what I posted or why I posted and read the thread before you jump in all hot n bothered

[abuC]

:facepalm

Show me my post where I attempt to narrow down his vertical by the inch via the rim. Show me. Shut up and stop Assuming you know what I posted or why I posted and read the thread before you jump in all hot n bothered


Short term memory?




40" - yes


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6950740&postcount=202


How high would you say this Masai warriors vertical is oh wise sage of jumping:

http://www.africa-expert.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Masai_dancing_jumping_high.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Short term memory?





http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6950740&postcount=202


How high would you say this Masai warriors vertical is oh wise sage of jumping:

http://www.africa-expert.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Masai_dancing_jumping_high.jpg

No frame of reference.

Not the same at all. Thanks for trying. Everyone knows how high a 10 foot basket is. I never used it to peg Wilt's vertical based on it as you accuse - but it was pretty f_cking obvious he was higher than 2 feet. Your literally visually/spatially inept if you can't figure that much out.

[abuC]

No frame of reference. Thanks for trying. Everyone knows how high a 10 foot basket is. I never claimed to peg Wilt's vertical based on it - but it was pretty f_cking obvious he was higher than 2 feet. Your literally visually/spatially inept if you can't figure that much out.




Where have I said anything about Wilt's vert other than the pictures you were posting are impossible to tell if he's rim level.


I will point out that you said his vert was 40" which is a joke, considering that would mean his head would be 5" above the rim, putting his nose/mouth at rim level :rolleyes:

[bwink23]

When i did track in high school, i did long jump and high jump....i'm about 5'10" track shoes, and i cleared 6'0 on my best jump...i went backward and couldn't bend for shit....The top of my waist (point of reference) is 39"....I would have to jump 6'6" just to clear my ass over the bar, giving a rough vertical of around 37-39"...( I could touch 11-12"above the rim). Now Wilt was doing 6'6" with a proven CRAPPIER style of jumping. I guarantee he was clearing closer to 6'10" to 7feet with that style...watching the videos, he clears the bar pretty easily, but gets screwed with his drag leg. Yeah he's taller than me, his torso is longer i'm sure and legs might be 6-8 inches longer, but he was jumping higher than i was as well...

Comparatively, it's not out of the realm that he could approach 40". 36"-39" is a definIte in my book.

(I just measured my standing reach, 93" on my tip toes...i could touch 11-12" above the rim in high school, which is about 132 inches...which comes out to a 38-39 inch vertical.

[CavaliersFTW]

When i did track in high school, i did long jump and high jump....i'm about 5'10" track shoes, and i cleared 6'0 on my best jump...i went backward and couldn't bend for shit....The top of my waist (point of reference) is 39"....I would have to jump 6'6" just to clear my ass over the bar, giving a rough vertical of around 37-39"...( I could touch 11-12"above the rim). Now Wilt was doing 6'6" with a proven CRAPPIER style of jumping. I guarantee he was clearing closer to 6'10" to 7feet with that style...watching the videos, he clears the bar pretty easily, but gets screwed with his drag leg. Yeah he's taller than me, his torso is longer i'm sure and legs might be 6-8 inches longer, but he was jumping higher than i was as well...

Comparatively, it's not out of the realm that he could approach 40". 36"-39" is a definIte in my book.

(I just measured my standing reach, 93" on my tip toes...i could touch 11-12" above the rim in high school, which is about 132 inches...which comes out to a 38-39 inch vertical.

I did long jump and had a 36" max-vertical. I'm a white guy. Anyone who thinks a top tier NCAA High Jumper has a vertical the same as an above average but nothing too special white high-school competitive long-jumper is literally bat-shit stupid.

[bdreason]

40" - yes

And I'm in good company about thinking he would dominate :cheers:

Every NBA player agree's. You won't find one that won't. Kobe ranked him #1 ahead of himself. U mad?


I don't think players/people ranking Wilt #1 means they think he would dominate in todays league. They are just doing exactly what any rational person should do, and ranking Wilt against his peers, for which he was obviously superior.


Anyone who thinks Wilt would even come close to replicating his statistics or dominance in todays league is simply drinking the cool-aid.

[bwink23]

I did long jump and had a 36" max-vertical. I'm a white guy. Anyone who thinks a top tier NCAA High Jumper has a vertical the same as an above average but nothing too special white high-school competitive long-jumper is literally bat-shit stupid.


Wilt was using an archaic and inferior jumping style as well...i don't think i could have cleared 6'0" like that, you'd lose too much upward force trying to lay your body over the bar flat.

[bdreason]

And I don't really understand the extreme focus on Wilt's physical abilities. Javalle Mcgee is a physical specimen as well... so what? James White can do a 360, between the legs, from the FT dunk... so what?

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't think players/people ranking Wilt #1 means they think he would dominate in todays league. They are just doing exactly what any rational person should do, and ranking Wilt against his peers, for which he was obviously superior.


Anyone who thinks Wilt would even come close to replicating his statistics or dominance in todays league is simply drinking the cool-aid.

Statistics no - obviously. Relative dominance, yes. That's not out of the question. He's the same weight with greater wingspan and higher reach than Yao Ming... except... how athletic was he? How strong was he?

How dominant was Yao Ming when he was healthy despite moving around with the agility and speed of Frankenstein's monster?

Doesn't take much stretch of the imagination to believe he'd be the most dominant player in the league.

[abuC]

Based on this dumbass. Not based pictures of him playing basketball.

:roll:


Calling me a dumbass, yet posting that long ass moronic drivel of a post, a high jump and a vertical are two entirely different types of jumps. A vertical is measured off no step, or 1 step and jumping off TWO FEET, your moronic copy and paste job has Wilt running and jumping off one foot.

Whoever posted that original post is just as delusional as you, wouldn't be surprised if it was Jlauber.

[HighFlyer23]

16 pages and no empirical proof in the form of a photo or video of wilt ever doing anything like that

[CavaliersFTW]

And I don't really understand the extreme focus on Wilt's physical abilities. Javalle Mcgee is a physical specimen as well... so what? James White can do a 360, between the legs, from the FT dunk... so what?

Because Jefail is as smart as a tomatoe, and is not even close to the specimen Wilt was and if you think being a specimen doesn't mean anything go watch footage of Shaq.

[bwink23]

:roll:


Calling me a dumbass, yet posting that long ass moronic drivel of a post, a high jump and a vertical are two entirely different types of jumps. A vertical is measured off no step, or 1 step and jumping off TWO FEET, your moronic copy and paste job has Wilt running and jumping off one foot.

Whoever posted that original post is just as delusional as you, wouldn't be surprised if it was Jlauber.


Verticals are measured in different ways...when Dwight did his "backboard jump", his vertical was around 38-39 inches with a run and jump. Your "max vertical" to me is as high as you can get by any means necessary within your physical limits.

[CavaliersFTW]

:roll:


Calling me a dumbass, yet posting that long ass moronic drivel of a post, a high jump and a vertical are two entirely different types of jumps. A vertical is measured off no step, or 1 step and jumping off TWO FEET, your moronic copy and paste job has Wilt running and jumping off one foot.

Whoever posted that original post is just as delusional as you, wouldn't be surprised if it was Jlauber.

:facepalm

I posted it - you didn't read it obviously.

[CavaliersFTW]

And I don't really understand the extreme focus on Wilt's physical abilities. Javalle Mcgee is a physical specimen as well... so what? James White can do a 360, between the legs, from the FT dunk... so what?

Compare Wilt to anyone out of the 1499 draftee's

www.draftexpress.com/measurements

Tell me when you find one with 4 measurements that equal or exceed Wilt's

Wilt Chamberlain
7'1.06"
7'8" Wingpsan
9'7.5" Standing Reach in modern shoes greater than Yao Mings
258lbs-292lbs-305lbs 1959-1971 playing weights, heavier still in 72-73 but unweighed - 327lbs at age 48
4.6 40-yard barefoot
36-42" vert 2x NCAA High-Jump Champ
11.5" Hand Width - 2nd widest NBA hands ever recorded
9.5" Hand Length - a basketball is only 9.4" in diameter
IQ: There's nothing but unanimous praise and testimonial about Wilt's high basketball-IQ when the topic is brought up to his peers and contemporaries.

Javale McGee
6'11 (-2.06")
7'6 Wingspan (-2.0")
9'6.5" Reach (-1.0")
228lbs, 237lbs, 241lbs, 252lbs 2008-present (- a **** load of weight)
3.25 second 3/4 court sprint ~= 5.2 40 yard dash (0.6 slower)
32.5" Vertical :roll:
Hand size: unmeasured. definitely large hands. still doubt they're as large as Wilt's.
IQ: Dumb as a brick. Don't make me show the numerous youtube highlights why.

[abuC]

Verticals are measured in different ways...when Dwight did his "backboard jump", his vertical was around 38-39 inches with a run and jump. Your "max vertical" to me is as high as you can get by any means necessary within your physical limits.



No, a vertical is not measured in different ways, do you guys just come up with this shit on the fly?

The NFL and NBA combine both clearly define the way in which verticals are measured.

Also, just because you jump high off a running start and a one foot plant doesn't mean you'll get up higher off a two foot jump. Case in point LeBron James and James White, both get up considerably higher when they have a running start and plant off one leg than they do off two feet.

[bwink23]

:facepalm

I posted it - you didn't read it obviously.


Notice how it went from......"No way he can get up that high" to "Max verts. are measured straight up with no step"......:lol

[abuC]

Notice how it went from......"No way he can get up that high" to "Max verts. are measured straight up with no step"......:lol


:facepalm


You two have been talking about VERTICALS for the last 30 minutes, unreal.


Again, if you think he could get up 40" off the ground then you also by definition believe his head was 5" above the rim, and of course like all things Wilt there's no actual evidence to support that claim.

[CavaliersFTW]

:roll:


Calling me a dumbass, yet posting that long ass moronic drivel of a post, a high jump and a vertical are two entirely different types of jumps. A vertical is measured off no step, or 1 step and jumping off TWO FEET, your moronic copy and paste job has Wilt running and jumping off one foot.

Whoever posted that original post is just as delusional as you, wouldn't be surprised if it was Jlauber.

Your maximum vertical can be calculated via high jump techniques prior to the fosbury flop - and or based on scissor jumps over a high jump bar.

Yes. It. Can.

Read the "drivel" - ask questions about it, or gtfo. Thanks :oldlol:

If your too stupid to comprehend how a vertical can be pulled in this manner than....

:violin:

[CavaliersFTW]

:facepalm


You two have been talking about VERTICALS for the last 30 minutes, unreal.


Again, if you think he could get up 40" off the ground then you also by definition believe his head was 5" above the rim, and of course like all things Wilt there's no actual evidence to support that claim.

doesn't seem so far fetched.

:hammerhead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpVZS26BUs&feature=g-upl&context=G231307eAUAAAAAAALAA

[bwink23]

No, a vertical is not measured in different ways, do you guys just come up with this shit on the fly?

The NFL and NBA combine both clearly define the way in which verticals are measured.

Also, just because you jump high off a running start and a one foot plant doesn't mean you'll get up higher off a two foot jump. Case in point LeBron James and James White, both get up considerably higher when they have a running start and plant off one leg than they do off two feet.



In game of basketball, that is really all that matters isn't it??

Spud Webb has a recorded vertical of around 44"....if you think he did that just going straight up with no steps...your smoking that GOOD STUFF.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No photo or video shows Wilt getting higher than 36". none.
Drop it already. And dunk a freethrow..isnt that what the OP is about LMAO