Kevin Durant vs Dwyane Wade this year

[Micku]

Who is better right now?

Wade had a bad start, but he is performing pretty good since he came back from his injury. Kevin Durant has been great throughout this year.

But who is better when Wade is healthy?

Durant is a better off the ball player, probably a better scorer, and a better shooter than Wade. Wade is a better slasher, passer, and post up player. Wade is also a better defender IMO.

They play in different positions and have different play styles, but who impact the game the best and who is the better player?

What do you guys think?

[d21221hk]

KD - he is in MVP discussions, Wade.. doubt it.

[PJR]

Different roles. I'd take Wade on my team though if I needed to win one game. Does more.

[Jasper]

Kevin Durant vs Dwyane Wade
Player waits for the ball to be delivered vs Player that can do anything

:D







* just because a player can stroke it - doesn't make him an all round bball player
D-Wade is a HOF'er

[TheNaturalWR]

Durant's having the better season but by NO means is he the better player. Wade at this point is just cruising through the regular season and waiting for the playoffs to begin. All his stats are basically garnered in the 1st half and the first 6-9 mins of the third. After that his day is done. Wade's the second best all-around player in the game today at the WORST. The only person with an argument of being better is his teammate. Wade's stats don't show it but he's still a top 3 player in the NBA.

[lilgodfather1]

Wade is a better overall player than Durant, but Durant is a better scorer.

[stallionaire]

Depends on the needs. Dwade is the best combo guard in the league right now and that's more important than what Durant for his team in the 4 spot.

[asdf1990]

wade is the better player and its not close, durant is having a better season so far due to wades injury and reduced minutes

[Bigsmoke]

KD is having a better year but Wade is better.

Wade letting LeBron take over Miami. :bowdown:

[War Machine]

Who is better? What is this, a joke?

:hammerhead:

Durant is the better player. You could almost make a valid argument that Durant is the best player in the entire league right now, much less > Wade. LBJ is the NBA's greatest player, but Durant isn't too far behind.

I'm sorry, but Wade just isn't on their levels. Wade is a Top 5 player in the league, hell, I'd even say you could argue Top 3, but he's a noticable distance below both LBJ and Durant.

Dumb thread.

All you guys saying Wade > Durant are morons.

[War Machine]

If Durant continues to play at his level now, and only needs to slightly improve (if any at all, really) and if he can remain injury free his entire career, he could finish with anywhere from 2-3 rings (at a minimum) and same number of MVPs (at a minimum).

Durant has a possibility to complete his career being a Top 10 overall player in the league's history. Wade? Top 25, maybe.

Come on people. Get it together.

:hammerhead:

[arifgokcen]

Who is better? What is this, a joke?

:hammerhead:

Durant is the better player. You could almost make a valid argument that Durant is the best player in the entire league right now, much less > Wade. LBJ is the NBA's greatest player, but Durant isn't too far behind.

I'm sorry, but Wade just isn't on their levels. Wade is a Top 5 player in the league, hell, I'd even say you could argue Top 3, but he's a noticable distance below both LBJ and Durant.

Dumb thread.

All you guys saying Wade > Durant are morons.

I am hopeful you will be banned.

Terrible post by a terrible poster.

Of course wade is the better player.

However durant is having better season.

[arifgokcen]

If Durant continues to play at his level now, and only needs to slightly improve (if any at all, really) and if he can remain injury free his entire career, he could finish with anywhere from 2-3 rings (at a minimum) and same number of MVPs (at a minimum).

Durant has a possibility to complete his career being a Top 10 overall player in the league's history. Wade? Top 25, maybe.

Come on people. Get it together.

:hammerhead:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[War Machine]

I am hopeful you will be banned.

Terrible post by a terrible poster.

Of course wade is the better player.

However durant is having better season.

Why would I be banned, because I'm telling the truth?

:confusedshrug:

I am hopeful you will be banned, b/c you have made the statement you want me banned, and for no reason whatsoever. You call me a terrible poster, but pot kettle black much, guy?

You ask any so called NBA expert, analyst, etc. who's the better player, who'd they'd rather have to build their franchise around, etc. and you know who they're taking???

LBJ @ # 1
Durant @ # 2

... and more than likely Kobe (even still at his older age) @ # 3.

Howard @ # 4

... then maybe Wade @ # 5.

You dumbasses need to wake up.

[MASH Transit]

Durant, at 23 years old is having a better season than Wade has ever had. Which is insane considering Wade came into the league at 22.

[CardiacKemba]

Durant, at 23 years old is having a better season than Wade has ever had. Which is insane considering Wade came into the league at 22.

No, just no. I'd let you argue that Durant is a more in form player right now (not that I agree with it), but what you just said will warrant no such respect from me, or any person that has watched basketball the past 5/6 years.

[juju151111]

No, just no. I'd let you argue that Durant is a more in form player right now (not that I agree with it), but what you just said will warrant no such respect from me, or any person that has watched basketball the past 5/6 years.
Regular season its close.

[CardiacKemba]

Regular season its close.

KD is having a good regular season but you wouldn't say at all that he's having a stand out season. Durants greatness will come, I have no doubt about that, but hold off everyone on the comparisons to players who have already done it.

[War Machine]

No, just no. I'd let you argue that Durant is a more in form player right now (not that I agree with it), but what you just said will warrant no such respect from me, or any person that has watched basketball the past 5/6 years.

:rolleyes:

Will you just STFU. What he said was just fine. You want to toss a comment out there, like you know everything, and his opinion is bullshit, huh? Get over yourself. Does he really care about YOUR respect?

:roll:

My goodness dude. No one gives a shit about your respect. STFU, sign off this message board already, because you're making one hell of an ass out of yourself right about now.

Durant is > Wade. Face facts people.

[MASH Transit]

No, just no. I'd let you argue that Durant is a more in form player right now (not that I agree with it), but what you just said will warrant no such respect from me, or any person that has watched basketball the past 5/6 years.

28/8/3/51fg%/61ts% & he plays excellent defense.


Perhaps you haven't watched Durant play enough? Whatever the case, he's a better player than Wade.

[War Machine]

KD is having a good regular season but you wouldn't say at all that he's having a stand out season. Durants greatness will come, I have no doubt about that, but hold off everyone on the comparisons to players who have already done it.

I really, really hate to play the international card here, but your culture from your home country really doesn't know shit about an United States driven league (NBA). We know the real from the fake, and we know how to spot the pretenders from the contenders.

Wade is one hell of a basketball player, there's no doubt about that. Durant, yeah well, he's one hell of a player too.

Let's say Wade is not injury prone; let's say he's at the top of his game, and Durant is at the top of his game, let's ponder here for a moment just how many franchise owners, GM's and head coaches who would take Kevin Durant over Wade in terms of who to build their franchise around.

Think about that.

Do you honestly believe more of those folks would take Wade over Durant? Come on man, wake the bleep up!

:hammerhead:

[War Machine]

28/8/3/51fg%/61ts% & he plays excellent defense.


Perhaps you haven't watched Durant play enough? Whatever the case, he's a better player than Wade.

More like he's just a moron. By the end of this season, he'll be singing an entirely different tune. I can't stand people like him.

[Micku]

Durant, at 23 years old is having a better season than Wade has ever had. Which is insane considering Wade came into the league at 22.

I disagree with that one. Wade's 08-09 was better since he was the best all-around player with a mid-range jumpshot that year. His 05-06 season probably is better too, but that's a conversation for another day.


I think Durant has been playing very well lately. I think Wade is still the better all around player because he could run the offense like a PG, better in the post, better slasher and passer. And he could defend.

KD is a better scorer tho, and he improved on his defense this year. Durant did improve as a passer, and is more efficient. Wade's been injured early in the season, but he seemed to get back into form later on. But Durant's been awesome this year.

[War Machine]

I disagree with that one. Wade's 08-09 was better since he was the best all-around player with a mid-range jumpshot that year. His 05-06 season probably is better too, but that's a conversation for another day.


I think Durant has been playing very well lately. I think Wade is still the better all around player because he could run the offense like a PG, better in the post, better slasher and passer. And he could defend.

KD is a better scorer tho, and he improved on his defense this year. Durant did improve as a passer, and is more efficient. Wade's been injured early in the season, but he seemed to get back into form later on. But Durant's been awesome this year.

Using the logic that PG skills > SF/PF skills is not well, logical. When debating NBA topics, we're talking team basketball, not one on one.

[War Machine]

I think the single-most standout factor many of you are missing is that when it comes to being a 'franchise player' Durant is without a doubt the better candidate. If you're going to build your team around a single player, it's obvious who team owners, GM's and coaches would select if it came down to either Wade or Durant.

That's all the proof you need. Everyone wants to talk about Wade better overall player etc... then why is it that in the grand scheme of things, Durant is considered the obvioius choice here?

Perhaps not the obvious choice to all 30 teams in the league, but the obvious choice nonetheless.

You guys in here trying to make the argument Wade > Durant are the same one I'm sure try and make the argument Wade > Lebron.

[donald_trump]

i think durant is slightly better now, though at their peaks its wade.

[kabalcage]

Wade has a couple of kids and his girl is Gabrielle Union. But he was a bad father and had a nasty divorce. He has rubbed business partners the wrong way with his behavior. He also broke Kobe's nose for no good reason at the allstar game.

Kevin Durant is probably a phony. He has all these tattoos and hides them. I feel like he's a little too contrived, his handlers have a big filter on him.

I don't feel like we know Durant at all, so it's hard to judge him. So.... The douchebag we know is better than the douchebag we don't. I have to go Wade here.

[Magic731]

People are saying Durant is having a better season, but Wade is the overall better player. What does Durant have to do to be considered a better player then? I really don't care what happened in the past but right now Durant is the clear better player.

People still seem to think that Durant is the same old one dimensional shooter he was when he first arrived in the NBA. If you have watched Durant at all this season you would see that he has a variety of moves to get a shot off and has been getting to the rim very well. Durant is a legit 6'10" and for that height and length the athleticism he possesses is astonishing. His defense has also been underrated this year as well, he has been playing the passing lanes better than ever.

Durant is clearly having a better season, that to me makes him a better player.

[Micku]

Using the logic that PG skills > SF/PF skills is not well, logical. When debating NBA topics, we're talking team basketball, not one on one.

I'm saying that Wade still is better all around since he does more things. Still doesn't mean he is the better player.

I think it's very close. KD really improved, but Wade is still very good. KD is having the better season, but Wade was injured early in the season. But if you watch Wade now, he is playing very well.

[War Machine]

Wade has a couple of kids and his girl is Gabrielle Union. But he was a bad father and had a nasty divorce. He has rubbed business partners the wrong way with his behavior. He also broke Kobe's nose for no good reason at the allstar game.

Kevin Durant is probably a phony. He has all these tattoos and hides them. I feel like he's a little too contrived, his handlers have a big filter on him.

I don't feel like we know Durant at all, so it's hard to judge him. So.... The douchebag we know is better than the douchebag we don't. I have to go Wade here.

I can't tell if your post is said in jest or not. You can't be taken seriously. Off the court actions do not define an NBA player's (or any other athlete's) for that matter's greatness.

[War Machine]

I'm saying that Wade still is better all around since he does more things. Still doesn't mean he is the better player.

I think it's very close. KD really improved, but Wade is still very good. KD is having the better season, but Wade was injured early in the season. But if you watch Wade now, he is playing very well.

There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever - Wade is a paramount player in the NBA. When he's on, no one in the entire league can stop him. The same can be said about Kevin Durant also. The difference being, Durant is more 'on' than Wade is. Durant is more unstoppable more often than Wade (or any other player in the league, really).

[Lord Leoshes]

KD could only dream of playing the defense Wade plays. Its not even close.:no:

He is closer to melo then Wade when it comes to (D). :facepalm

[pauk]

Wade is a bit of a better player imo, better defender and can do more things offensively.... so much goes for his PPG when he just came of an injury and has to share the ball with the best player in the world...

KD would be just a spot-up shooter next to Lebron :D

[War Machine]

KD could only dream of playing the defense Wade plays. Its not even close.:no:

He is closer to melo then Wade when it comes to (D). :facepalm

Is Wade a better defensive player than Durant. Sure, yes, obviously. Larry Bird wasn't much of a defensive player either... did that somehow hinder him from being one of the greatest of all time, no.

Overall game, all things considered... Durant's ability to be so much of a game-changer, makes him > Wade. Wade isn't as much of a game-changer as Durant is.

Durant is the type of player that teams build their franchise around. Wade can be that kind of guy too, just not on the level of Durant.

[Lord Leoshes]

Is Wade a better defensive player than Durant. Sure, yes, obviously. Larry Bird wasn't much of a defensive player either... did that somehow hinder him from being one of the greatest of all time, no.

Overall game, all things considered... Durant's ability to be so much of a game-changer, makes him > Wade. Wade isn't as much of a game-changer as Durant is.

Durant is the type of player that teams build their franchise around. Wade can be that kind of guy too, just not on the level of Durant.


So the 50% of the time that you are on D does not count? :wtf:

OK what ever. & i did not like Bird, or Nash cause they never played D.
I watched the NBA in the 70s, & 80s when it was all about D.

Dont believe me if you dont want to but only great defensive teams win championships.

[War Machine]

So the 50% of the time that you are on D does not count? :wtf:

OK what ever. & i did not like Bird, or Nash cause they never played D.
I watched the NBA in the 70s, & 80s when it was all about D.

Dont believe me if you dont want to but only great defensive teams win championships.

LOL who said anything about not believing you? Yes, great defensive teams win championships. I won't dispute that, but that doesn't mean Wade can win a title single-handedly simply b/c he's one of the league's best defensive players.\\

It's a team sport, and team efforts win titles, both offensively and defensively. Right now, the Thunder are playing the best team basketball, and they look (right now) to be the favorites... and 'believe it or not' Durant's defensive is superb!

[Magic731]

So the 50% of the time that you are on D does not count? :wtf:

OK what ever. & i did not like Bird, or Nash cause they never played D.
I watched the NBA in the 70s, & 80s when it was all about D.

Dont believe me if you dont want to but only great defensive teams win championships.
You act as if Durant plays NO defense. Wade may be better on the defensive end, but Durant is certainly no slouch when it comes to defense.

[Lord Leoshes]

LOL who said anything about not believing you? Yes, great defensive teams win championships. I won't dispute that, but that doesn't mean Wade can win a title single-handedly simply b/c he's one of the league's best defensive players.\\

It's a team sport, and team efforts win titles, both offensively and defensively. Right now, the Thunder are playing the best team basketball, and they look (right now) to be the favorites... and 'believe it or not' Durant's defensive is superb!




Wade nor anyone can win a title single-handedly. What kind of response was that?


& what proof do you see that no one else sees that tells you that the Thunder are playing at a higher level then the Heat are right now?



OK back to the point. Not that i agree with you but for fantasy's sake lets just imagine that Durant was playing at a higher level then wade on offense. (which i disagree, but admit it is close). The defensive disparity is way further then their offensive capabilities.


Point in case is while both may be more or les = offensively, Wade is at another level defensively.

I am by no way implying that KD is a horrible defender, just not a great one like Wade who is one of the best in this league.

[Lord Leoshes]

You act as if Durant plays NO defense. Wade may be better on the defensive end, but Durant is certainly no slouch when it comes to defense.


You went off track & missed the point. Reread the thread so you can understand it better.

[Magic731]

You went off track & missed the point. Reread the thread so you can understand it better.
You compared Durant to Anthony on the defensive end. You say Durant could only "dream" of playing the defense which Wade does. You then said you disliked players such as Bird and Nash due to their lack of defense, which I think implies you feel the same with Durant.

What am I missing here? It sounds to me like you are really underrating Durant on the defensive end.

[Lord Leoshes]

You compared Durant to Anthony on the defensive end. You say Durant could only "dream" of playing the defense which Wade does. You then said you disliked players such as Bird and Nash due to their lack of defense, which I think implies you feel the same with Durant.

What am I missing here? It sounds to me like you are really underrating Durant on the defensive end.


Alex Jones is that you? :eek:

I think these conspiracy theories you're having are way overblown.


I am only implying that Wade & KD are closer offensively then they are defensively.

[Jolokia]

Is Wade a better defensive player than Durant. Sure, yes, obviously. Larry Bird wasn't much of a defensive player either... did that somehow hinder him from being one of the greatest of all time, no.

Overall game, all things considered... Durant's ability to be so much of a game-changer, makes him > Wade. Wade isn't as much of a game-changer as Durant is.

Durant is the type of player that teams build their franchise around. Wade can be that kind of guy too, just not on the level of Durant.

Durant is not more of a game changer than Wade is. Wade impacts that game in so many ways that only Lebron can duplicate. He gives you elite offense from scoring to sharing to incredible highlights that are instant momentum changers. His style of defense is what the Heat's defense is all about--inside out game. He can shutdown anyone at his position if he wanted to and still help out the "bigs" down low with his "best shot-blocking guard" skills. What more can you ask for besides missing 5-10 games every year?

Durant, well, he's just an all-time great scorer who plays defense at an acceptable level. He's top 10 in turnovers right there with Lebron who handles the ball way more and gets twice the amount of assists. I don't know how you came up with "it's obvious who team owners, GM's and coaches would select if it came down to either Wade or Durant" with Durant being the better candidate. I would certainly not pick Durant over Wade to build around as Wade can give you similar scoring numbers but basically more of everything else. Durant is no Wade or Lebron...at least not yet. Current Kobe is a better comparison.

[derb2k2]

Durant is not more of a game changer than Wade is. Wade impacts that game in so many ways that only Lebron can duplicate. He gives you elite offense from scoring to sharing to incredible highlights that are instant momentum changers. His style of defense is what the Heat's defense is all about--inside out game. He can shutdown anyone at his position if he wanted to and still help out the "bigs" down low with his "best shot-blocking guard" skills. What more can you ask for besides missing 5-10 games every year?

Durant, well, he's just an all-time great scorer who plays defense at an acceptable level. He's top 10 in turnovers right there with Lebron who handles the ball way more and gets twice the amount of assists. I don't know how you came up with "it's obvious who team owners, GM's and coaches would select if it came down to either Wade or Durant" with Durant being the better candidate. I would certainly not pick Durant over Wade to build around as Wade can give you similar scoring numbers but basically more of everything else. Durant is no Wade or Lebron...at least not yet. Current Kobe is a better comparison.

exactly. Wade is a game changer. We've yet to see plays that turn the game around from Durant. Great scorer and that is all. WAde has the all around game and is a future HOF'er.. I don't doubt that Durant will become a defensive beast, what with all that length and speed. But he's not there yet.

[D-Wade316]

LOL at fools saying Durant is a better scorer than Wade. Post Duran'ts decrease in efficiency in the playoffs, and I will post Wade's increase in efficiency. Wade's PPG in the Finals as well.

Wade is better than Durant at everything, except shooting and rebounding. But KD has the better season so far.

[Rnbizzle]

Wade's just waiting for the playoffs. I think right now they're about equal though, which actually says most about Lebron right now, he's clearly better than both of them, which is ridiculous because Wade and Durant are both incredible franchise players.

[Nash]

Durant is a scorer, Wade can do it all. For sure Dwyane Wade.

[PyrrhusX]

Wade's just waiting for the playoffs. I think right now they're about equal though, which actually says most about Lebron right now, he's clearly better than both of them, which is ridiculous because Wade and Durant are both incredible franchise players.

This.

That said, I cant wait for the playoffs.
This year should be incredibly exciting the closer it gets to the finals.

[MASH Transit]

People probably don't realize that in twice the defensive possessions, Durant has been just as good defensively as Wade has this season.

Wade: Possessions Defended - 215

Points per possession: 100% of defensive possessions - 0.71 ppp // 29.9% fg-against
Iso: 14.9% of defensive possessions - .38 ppp // 14.8% fg-against
P&R Ball handler: 15.8% of defensive possessions: .062 ppp // 26.9% fg-against
P&R Roll Man: 0.9% of defensive possessions: 0 // 0% fg-against
Post up: 4.7% of defensive possessions: .3 ppp // 0% fg-against
Spot up: 43.7 of defensive possessions: .9 ppp // 35.2% fg-against
Off Screen: 13.5% of defensive possessions: 0.97 ppp // 46.2% fg-against
Hand off: 4.7% of defensive possessions: 0.4 ppp // 12.5% fg-against

Durant: Possessions Defended - 350

Points per possession: 100% of defensive possessions - 0.73 ppp // 30.9% fg-against
Iso: 16.6% of defensive possessions - 0.54 ppp // 25% fg-against
P&R Ball handler: 13.7% of defensive possessions: .23.7 ppp // 23.7% fg-against
P&R Roll Man: 3.7% of defensive possessions: 1.15 // 63.3% fg-against
Post up: 6.9% of defensive possessions: .71 ppp // 33.3% fg-against
Spot up: 42.6 of defensive possessions: .9 ppp // 32.8% fg-against
Off Screen: 11.1% of defensive possessions: 0.64 ppp // 27.8% fg-against
Hand off: 4.3% of defensive possessions: 0.6 ppp // 28.6% fg-against


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Plus, he was better better last posts season.

Durant: 28/8/3/45fg%/58ts%

Wade: 25/7/4/57ts%

And their numbers thus far this season...

Durant: 28/8/3/51fg%/61ts%

Wade: 22/4/5/50fg%/56ts%


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Stop making excuses. Durant is the younger, better player.

[NumberSix]

If I already have an elite PG, Durant. Otherwise, Wade.

[D-Wade316]

People probably don't realize that in twice the defensive possessions, Durant has been just as good defensively as Wade has this season.

Wade: Possessions Defended - 215

Points per possession: 100% of defensive possessions - 0.71 ppp // 29.9% fg-against
Iso: 14.9% of defensive possessions - .38 ppp // 14.8% fg-against
P&R Ball handler: 15.8% of defensive possessions: .062 ppp // 26.9% fg-against
P&R Roll Man: 0.9% of defensive possessions: 0 // 0% fg-against
Post up: 4.7% of defensive possessions: .3 ppp // 0% fg-against
Spot up: 43.7 of defensive possessions: .9 ppp // 35.2% fg-against
Off Screen: 13.5% of defensive possessions: 0.97 ppp // 46.2% fg-against
Hand off: 4.7% of defensive possessions: 0.4 ppp // 12.5% fg-against

Durant: Possessions Defended - 350

Points per possession: 100% of defensive possessions - 0.73 ppp // 30.9% fg-against
Iso: 16.6% of defensive possessions - 0.54 ppp // 25% fg-against
P&R Ball handler: 13.7% of defensive possessions: .23.7 ppp // 23.7% fg-against
P&R Roll Man: 3.7% of defensive possessions: 1.15 // 63.3% fg-against
Post up: 6.9% of defensive possessions: .71 ppp // 33.3% fg-against
Spot up: 42.6 of defensive possessions: .9 ppp // 32.8% fg-against
Off Screen: 11.1% of defensive possessions: 0.64 ppp // 27.8% fg-against
Hand off: 4.3% of defensive possessions: 0.6 ppp // 28.6% fg-against


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Plus, he was better better last posts season.

Durant: 28/8/3/45fg%/58ts%

Wade: 25/7/4/57ts%

And their numbers thus far this season...

Durant: 28/8/3/51fg%/61ts%

Wade: 22/4/5/50fg%/56ts%


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Stop making excuses. Durant is the younger, better player.
:facepalm Stop posting false information.

From synergy
Overall
Wade - 30.6%(43)
Durant - 31.4%(61)

Isolation
Wade - 14.3%(1)
Durant - 26.7%(23)

PPP
Wade - .72
Durant - .75

I don't know what "Number" is but I guess those are the number of possessions both players had to defend.
Wade - 225
Durant - 356

That's not nearly "twice", as you'd like to say. Plus Wade is the better ball hawk, and shot blocker, which makes him a feared rim protector. So :no:. Wade is the better defender.

[PJR]

Durant has averaged more turnovers than assist every year he's been in the league. Pretty pathetic for a wing player.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Are we really going to compare Durant and Wade on D??? Really? Has it come to this???

[dunksby]

Durant has averaged more turnovers than assist every year he's been in the league. Pretty pathetic for a wing player.
He is averaging 1.4 steals and 1.2 blocks GTFO.

[dunksby]

Are we really going to compare Durant and Wade on D??? Really? Has it come to this???
Maybe you should start watching Durant? It aint 06 anymore in case you have forgotten.

[PJR]

He is averaging 1.4 steals and 1.2 blocks GTFO.

What does that have to do with anything I posted?

His playmaking skills are severely lacking. Just a fact. Still a great player, but that is bad.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Maybe you should start watching Durant? It aint 06 anymore in case you have forgotten.
I was watching couple of Thunder' games, and his defense has improved, but I was not nearly impressed as with Wade's. Wade is just too active on D, guy is using his quickness and long arms as much as he can. He is playing passing lanes better than anyone in this league. Really, they are incomparable on defense for me. Wade is doing more things for his team on both ends of the floor (and thats the main reason why he is better) even though Durant is improving every day. Wade's and Lebron's defense made bunch of role players with no D (except maybe Mario and Shane) and Bosh look like All D team' members. Cmon now.

[dunksby]

What does that have to do with anything I posted?

His playmaking skills are severely lacking. Just a fact. Still a great player, but that is bad.
It means his turn overs dont impact the game since he makes up for them and claiming Durant's playmaning skills are severly lacking is ignorant at best and shows you have not watched him this season. Additionally this is what OKC's stars are averaging in Assists/TO Cat:
PG Westbrook: 5.5/4.2
SF Durant: 3.4/3.6
G Harden: 3.6/2.1
With that said you either own to bullshitting or just STFU and move on.

[All Net]

Durant has been better this season overall and has been a top 3 player this season but when heathly so is wade.

[arifgokcen]

Durant has been fantastic.Playing at an MVP level.However wade is a game changer on both ends of the floor.

Durant doesn't make his teammates better.Generally for superstars,its the other way around.Wade can do it all.Durant doesnt.He is like ice man.He can put the ball in the hoop.However he is in a perfect situation for his abilities to flourish.He has two fantastic defender behind him.He has one of the best point guards in the league.When healthy he has one of the better defenders at sg.Player like harden is coming off the bench for OKC.I cant think of a better situation for him to be in.All he needs to do is scoring.This is why even though he is playing better than anyone not named Lebron,i cant put him above wade at this point.

Imagine wade and durant has scrub teammates.Who would fare better.

[Dragonyeuw]

Durant, at 23 years old is having a better season than Wade has ever had. Which is insane considering Wade came into the league at 22.

Perhaps you missed Wade's 08-09 season? Many people were calling him MVP of the league, in a season where Lebron was playing some historic-level basketball.

[EnoughSaid]

Did someone really say that Durant this year is better than Wade has ever been? :roll: REALLLY?!?! Wow okay.

[Chrono90]

Just talking about this year alone I think Durant is better cause of the numbers and supporting casts.

[EnoughSaid]

Wade can still take a game over as easily as anyone, and is still a great scorer, finisher, rebounder, playmaker and defender.

[jrong]

Since Wade returned in late January, he's played as well and arguably better than LBJ (from a per minute perspective). The stats haven't taken a huge jump to reflect this fact because, first, Spo is being over-cautious with Wade's minutes and, second, the majority of Heat games of late are over by halftime.

Still in the month of Februrary (about when he returned), here are Wade's averages:

30.9 mins, 55.7 FG%, 84.7 FT%, 4.7 rebs, 4.2 asts, 1.2 stls, 1.3 blks, 24.5 pts

Now I want anybody who finds it laughable to compare Wade to Durant to look at those numbers, and say with a straight face that Durant is better than that player. Yeah, you can't do it because it can't be done.

I'm prepared to admit Durant to the top tier club of players. He is an improved defender, especially in late game situations. And his playmaking shows potential, although it doesn't show up in his apg totals yet.

But, Wade still does more even now. He already is an elite playmaker and defender. And we're only talking about 2012 season Wade. Playoffs Wade is a beast with which Durant has yet to show he can even occupy the same continent.

[D-Wade316]

Did someone really say that Durant this year is better than Wade has ever been? :roll: REALLLY?!?! Wow okay.
I'll take 06, 07(pre injury), 09, 10, 11 and current Wade over Durant any day.

[I.R.Beast]

KD - he is in MVP discussions, Wade.. doubt it.
in wade's defense since returning(healthy) he's been the heat's best player, in limited minutes.

[All Net]

Wade can still take a game over as easily as anyone, and is still a great scorer, finisher, rebounder, playmaker and defender.

And to think people thought he was done just because he was hurt.

[I.R.Beast]

Durant is a scorer, Wade can do it all. For sure Dwyane Wade.
nash is a shooter and passer...nothing....meaning he was never the best pg in the league...not even top 3

[pegasus]

Durant is having a better season. Whoever says otherwise, must have not watched him play this year.

Wade did bounce back from his slow start as usual, but I still believe Durant is playing better and just a bit more valuable to his team. And his best is still yet to come.

[hitmanyr2k]

Imagine wade and durant has scrub teammates.Who would fare better.

Does it really matter? Both would probably have good numbers, lead their teams to mediocre records and be first round exits every year. Hell, before Lebron and Bosh the Heat were either no playoffs or first round exits for 4 years straight.

[Lord Leoshes]

nash is a shooter and passer...nothing....meaning he was never the best pg in the league...not even top 3


When the guy your supposed to b covering can get to the rim at will, & distribute the ball to whoever he wants, then you better score 100% of the time, & get every defensive rebound possible.


Scoring alone wont win crap, just ask Nash himself. :facepalm

[Lord Leoshes]

Does it really matter? Both would probably have good numbers, lead their teams to mediocre records and be first round exits every year. Hell, before Lebron and Bosh the Heat were either no playoffs or first round exits for 4 years straight.


Difference is Wade has the ability to help make his teammates better, while KD will mostly be looking to shot the ball.

When KD learns to play D like Wade, & help his teammates get the ball in the right scoring spots where they like it, then it will be =, but till then Wade > KD.

& before Lebron and Bosh,Wade had already won a championship, as well as finals MVP.

[RaininTwos]

Who is better? What is this, a joke?

:hammerhead:

Durant is the better player. You could almost make a valid argument that Durant is the best player in the entire league right now, much less > Wade. LBJ is the NBA's greatest player, but Durant isn't too far behind.

I'm sorry, but Wade just isn't on their levels. Wade is a Top 5 player in the league, hell, I'd even say you could argue Top 3, but he's a noticable distance below both LBJ and Durant.

Dumb thread.

All you guys saying Wade > Durant are morons.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/xxAgainstTheRest/ONTD/1j46ec.gif

[lbj23clutch]

Healthy Wade is arguably the best player in the game. He's better then Durant in all facets of the game except shooting. Wade has been hurt and Durant has been playing unbelievably, so this season it's Durant, although Wade has been on a tear offensively, shooting 50+% the last 11 games!

[Dave3]

:facepalm Stop posting false information.

From synergy
Overall
Wade - 30.6%(43)
Durant - 31.4%(61)

Isolation
Wade - 14.3%(1)
Durant - 26.7%(23)

PPP
Wade - .72
Durant - .75

I don't know what "Number" is but I guess those are the number of possessions both players had to defend.
Wade - 225
Durant - 356

That's not nearly "twice", as you'd like to say. Plus Wade is the better ball hawk, and shot blocker, which makes him a feared rim protector. So :no:. Wade is the better defender.
Which website do you guys get these stats from?

[arifgokcen]

Healthy Wade is arguably the best player in the game. He's better then Durant in all facets of the game except shooting. Wade has been hurt and Durant has been playing unbelievably, so this season it's Durant, although Wade has been on a tear offensively, shooting 50+% the last 11 games!

You know lebron is still in the league.

Lebron is by far the best player in the game.Its not even arguable.Wade himself his coach said so.You can argue wade for the 2nd spot whether he is 2nd best or howard or anyone else.

[arifgokcen]

Which website do you guys get these stats from?

synergy
Its written in the post.Read the post carefully

[lbj23clutch]

Is Wade a better defensive player than Durant. Sure, yes, obviously. Larry Bird wasn't much of a defensive player either... did that somehow hinder him from being one of the greatest of all time, no.

Overall game, all things considered... Durant's ability to be so much of a game-changer, makes him > Wade. Wade isn't as much of a game-changer as Durant is.

Durant is the type of player that teams build their franchise around. Wade can be that kind of guy too, just not on the level of Durant.
Wade has won a ring and dominated in the NBA finals where he was down 0-2 as the undisputed FRANCHISE player. What makes Durant more of dependable franchise player? Present some facts please because all your doing is pulling up some BS out of your ass. Wade is better at every facet of the game except shooting and rebounding. Also Wade is more of a game changer because he does it on both ends on a higher level. On offense he attacks the rim better then anyone else in the game, gets to the FT line more times then anyone else, and also a much better passer. On defense, Wade has shown dominance being one of the best shot blocking guard of all time and his man to man defense is also greater then Durant's. Durant is having an MVP season and hasn't even reached his peak yet, but Wade is still a better all-around player when healthy.

[Rnbizzle]

Since Wade returned in late January, he's played as well and arguably better than LBJ (from a per minute perspective). The stats haven't taken a huge jump to reflect this fact because, first, Spo is being over-cautious with Wade's minutes and, second, the majority of Heat games of late are over by halftime.

Still in the month of Februrary (about when he returned), here are Wade's averages:

30.9 mins, 55.7 FG%, 84.7 FT%, 4.7 rebs, 4.2 asts, 1.2 stls, 1.3 blks, 24.5 pts

Now I want anybody who finds it laughable to compare Wade to Durant to look at those numbers, and say with a straight face that Durant is better than that player. Yeah, you can't do it because it can't be done.

I'm prepared to admit Durant to the top tier club of players. He is an improved defender, especially in late game situations. And his playmaking shows potential, although it doesn't show up in his apg totals yet.

But, Wade still does more even now. He already is an elite playmaker and defender. And we're only talking about 2012 season Wade. Playoffs Wade is a beast with which Durant has yet to show he can even occupy the same continent.
:applause: :applause:

[lbj23clutch]

You know lebron is still in the league.

Lebron is by far the best player in the game.Its not even arguable.Wade himself his coach said so.You can argue wade for the 2nd spot whether he is 2nd best or howard or anyone else.
It's debatable, 08-09' Wade is as good as any version of LeBron.

[arifgokcen]

It's debatable, 08-09' Wade is as good as any version of LeBron.

First of all we are talking about present.Secondly this years lebron is just plain ridiculous.Dont forget the defense as good of a defensive player wade is or was,lebron is one of the best defenders of this generation and one of the most versatile defenders of all time.(again his coach not me)

His numbers across the board are unheard of.Efficiency level he has been playing at,the way he is thriving in the post,lately especially after using that noah machine he started to shoot %84 from ft

I dont think even that wade was comparable to this years lebron.

[Dave3]

synergy
Its written in the post.Read the post carefully
I know, but every time I look it up I can't seem to find it. I'm looking for the exact url.

[TheNaturalWR]

It's debatable, 08-09' Wade is as good as any version of LeBron.

This is amazing coming from a LeBron fan. Wade was by far the best player in the league that year but still got no hype. He should've been MVP in my eyes but LeBron deserved just as much. :applause:

[Micku]

You know lebron is still in the league.

Lebron is by far the best player in the game.Its not even arguable.Wade himself his coach said so.You can argue wade for the 2nd spot whether he is 2nd best or howard or anyone else.

The way LBJ is playing right now makes him the best. But a healthy Wade is the closest thing near LBJ in the past. At times they were equal.

This year, LBJ is the best hands down. But, Wade vs Durant is more interesting. And it's pretty close to me.

[blablabla]

lol heat play the same with wade or without wade

[scm5]

KD is the better player.

You all act like KD can't create for himself. That's absolutely ridiculous.

As far as creating for others, he can do that to some extent and has gotten better at it this season. However, it's not his job to create for others, it's his job to score efficiently. Leave creating for others to guards.

It's a team game and it's ridiculous for you to want a player to do every, single, goddamn, thing for his team.

[dannysc305]

Wade is the more complete player, plain and simple. He scores, rebounds, assists, steals... and don't forget... BLOCKS! And he can score with the like of a LBJ or Durant on any given night. Truth is he is the second option on this Heat team and is getting older and is injury prone so he is pretty much coasting it to say the least. If you REALLY want to know what kind of player is when he is motivated and at his best, refer to the 2011 and 2006 NBA Finals, where night in and night out, the Mavs were at his mercy. LeBron left Cleveland for a reason, you know...

[Lord Leoshes]

It is closer to compare Wade, to Bron, then it is Wade, to KD.


When the game is on the line more times then not the coaching staff go to Wade over Bron. & if Wade had been healthy all year like Bron they would be even closer.
During the playoffs we will get a better read on both.

[The Choken One]

Every single GM in the NBA would take Durant over Wade without hesitation.

Durant is probably the second best player in the league...behind only LeBron.

[OKCThunderUP]

Every single GM in the NBA would take Durant over Wade without hesitation.

This. And no one can really argue with it. The GMs basically said so themselves in the annual GM survey. Everyone picked either Durant or Lebron.

[Lord Leoshes]

This. And no one can really argue with it. The GMs basically said so themselves in the annual GM survey. Everyone picked either Durant or Lebron.


Show us a link please, cause so far all we have as proof is you opinion.
I would like to know which GMs would actually rather have KD over Wade.

[Papaya Petee]

Wade is cruising through the season, with a very injury filled start, playing very little minutes, yet averaging 22\5\5\2\1 on 50% shooting.

He always picks it up after the all-star game. Wade will average 23\6\5\2\1 on 52-53% shooting by the end of the season, while being on cruise mode half the time.

Lets be honest, a healthy Wade playing his normal minutes is a better player then Durant.

Is it close? Yes, but Wade is better then Durant RIGHT NOW.

[Jotaro Durant]

Show us a link please, cause so far all we have as proof is you opinion.
I would like to know which GMs would actually rather have KD over Wade.

http://www.nba.com/news/features/2012-gm-survey/index.html
Who will win the 2011-12 MVP?

1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 55.6%
2. LeBron James, Miami -- 44.4%
survey-2.jpg

Last year: Kevin Durant -- 66.7%
If you were starting a franchise and could sign any player, who would it be?

T1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 37.0%
T1. LeBron James, Miami -- 37.0%
3. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 14.8%
4. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 7.4%
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 3.7%

Last year: Kevin Durant - 55.6%
Which player forces opposing coaches to make the most adjustments?

1. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 29.6%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 22.2%
3. LeBron James, Miami -- 18.5%
4. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas -- 14.8%
5. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 7.4%

Also receiving votes: Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers; Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers

Last year: Kobe Bryant -- 35.7%

this durant EASILY
lebron only player on his level rite now

[TheNaturalWR]

http://www.nba.com/news/features/2012-gm-survey/index.html
Who will win the 2011-12 MVP?

1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 55.6%
2. LeBron James, Miami -- 44.4%
survey-2.jpg

Last year: Kevin Durant -- 66.7%
If you were starting a franchise and could sign any player, who would it be?

T1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 37.0%
T1. LeBron James, Miami -- 37.0%
3. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 14.8%
4. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 7.4%
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 3.7%

Last year: Kevin Durant - 55.6%
Which player forces opposing coaches to make the most adjustments?

1. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 29.6%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 22.2%
3. LeBron James, Miami -- 18.5%
4. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas -- 14.8%
5. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 7.4%

Also receiving votes: Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers; Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers

Last year: Kobe Bryant -- 35.7%

this durant EASILY
lebron only player on his level rite now

Considering Wade is 30 NO SHIT GMs would pick Durant.

[francesco totti]

Wade didnt play up to his standards in start of year due to injury, then missed 9 games. While he did recover his form lately, all that easily tips the favor to durant who is having mvp type of year.

Durant, Lebron are in a discussion of there own this year.

[NumberSix]

Wade is an absolute beast now that he's healthy. Had he been healthy day 1, he'd be in the MVP running right now.

[francesco totti]

Wade is an absolute beast now that he's healthy. Had he been healthy day 1, he'd be in the MVP running right now.


I agree, plus he isnt playing heavy minutes this year.

[D-Wade316]

I know, but every time I look it up I can't seem to find it. I'm looking for the exact url.
mysynergysports.com :D

[millwad]

mysynergysports.com :D

Haha, you are so weak.

[All Net]

I have both wade and durant 2nd and 3rd best players just tough which order...

[StateOfMind12]

Based on this season and this year alone, it is Durant and I'm not even sure how this is even a debate.

The only way to argue for Wade being better is to bring up previous seasons but the OP simply asked to talk about this year/season and Durant has clearly been superior.

[D-Wade316]

Haha, you are so weak.
Fail troll attempt. Got some more?

[jrong]

Based on this season and this year alone, it is Durant and I'm not even sure how this is even a debate.

The only way to argue for Wade being better is to bring up previous seasons but the OP simply asked to talk about this year/season and Durant has clearly been superior.

The arguments are Wade's production/efficiency per-minute, defense, playmaking, ability to play multiple positions, the fact that when healthy he's has been as good as LeBron, and the fact that he has to share an offense with LeBron.

For starters.

[Micku]

Considering Wade is 30 NO SHIT GMs would pick Durant.

I don't think so. For some reason, Wade does not strike the megaplayer like the other guys. It's always been like that throughout his career. I think in 06 ppl thought that Melo was still better than Wade.


Based on this season and this year alone, it is Durant and I'm not even sure how this is even a debate.

The only way to argue for Wade being better is to bring up previous seasons but the OP simply asked to talk about this year/season and Durant has clearly been superior.


I think it's a debate since both of them are playing very well. Durant has the better overall season since Wade was injured and everything. Ever since Wade came back, he's been on a tear.

[comerb]

Wade is a better overall player than Durant, but Durant is a better scorer.

This

[StateOfMind12]

The arguments are Wade's production/efficiency per-minute, defense, playmaking, ability to play multiple positions, the fact that when healthy he's has been as good as LeBron, and the fact that he has to share an offense with LeBron.

For starters.
There is your problem. How many games has Durant missed this season and how many has Wade missed? Durability is part of the game. You could argue Wade is the best overall player in the game, when healthy, but the problem is that he is never healthy and he is injury prone.

I was actually one of the people that believed Wade was better than LeBron last season, but this season Wade is not even top 5 unless you want to use this when healthy excuse. If this is the case, when healthy Yao Ming at his peak was better than Alonzo Mourning at his. I don't think peak Yao Ming was actually better though because peak Yao Ming was never healthy in the first place.

Do you get my point??

[jrong]

There is your problem. How many games has Durant missed this season and how many has Wade missed? Durability is part of the game. You could argue Wade is the best overall player in the game, when healthy, but the problem is that he is never healthy and he is injury prone.

I was actually one of the people that believed Wade was better than LeBron last season, but this season Wade is not even top 5 unless you want to use this when healthy excuse. If this is the case, when healthy Yao Ming at his peak was better than Alonzo Mourning at his. I don't think peak Yao Ming was actually better though because peak Yao Ming was never healthy in the first place.

Do you get my point??

I do take your point, but at the same time we're only talking about nine games missed. Nobody is saying to discount Wade's stats this year in games he played hurt. We're just saying to compare his total numbers to Durant's, even in spite of the physical problems he had, but factor in minutes and shots.

Wade is prone to get hurt, you're right. But, that doesn't typically become manifest in his total games played per year. Unfortunately, it tends to become a factor in the playoffs not because of missed games but because of games in which he ends being limited because he's playing hurt (e.g. Game 5 vs. Dallas and after).

[Lord Leoshes]

http://www.nba.com/news/features/2012-gm-survey/index.html
Who will win the 2011-12 MVP?

1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 55.6%
2. LeBron James, Miami -- 44.4%
survey-2.jpg

Last year: Kevin Durant -- 66.7%
If you were starting a franchise and could sign any player, who would it be?

T1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 37.0%
T1. LeBron James, Miami -- 37.0%
3. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 14.8%
4. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 7.4%
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 3.7%

Last year: Kevin Durant - 55.6%
Which player forces opposing coaches to make the most adjustments?

1. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 29.6%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 22.2%
3. LeBron James, Miami -- 18.5%
4. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas -- 14.8%
5. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 7.4%

Also receiving votes: Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers; Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers

Last year: Kobe Bryant -- 35.7%

this durant EASILY
lebron only player on his level rite now


I have to admit that it was there, but how delusional are these guys? Do they really hate what Miami did that bad?

Its ok cause right now Wade, Bron, & the Heat are proving to them & everyone else how wrong they are. :applause:

[Cowboy Thunder]

It's becoming painfully obvious that Kevin Durant and the Thunder are going to win it all this year.

I'll go KD > Wade

[All Net]

It's becoming painfully obvious that Kevin Durant and the Thunder are going to win it all this year.

I'll go KD > Wade

Miami are still favourites but shouldn't be a surprise if thunder do win it all.

[clayton]

Wade is a much more complete player and is obviously chilling till playoff comes. He also delivers everything in the finals. His resume speaks for itself.

[SwooshReturns]

Wade is still easily the better player.

[lbj23clutch]

Every single GM in the NBA would take Durant over Wade without hesitation.

Durant is probably the second best player in the league...behind only LeBron.
Only because Durant is 23 years old and has yet to hit his peak, while Wade is 30 and probably has already hit his peak. Most GM's would easily choose Dwight over Kobe if they had a choice, but does that mean Dwight is a better player then Kobe?