Official: DC vs. Marvel

[EnoughSaid]

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Which has the better stories, characters, movies, merchandise and all?

I personally think the Batman franchise is better than anything out there, but Marvel can easily put up some good shit too.

[raiderfan19]

Comics or movies?

[ClutchOver9000]

I would say DC shits on Marvel but Marvel does have the X-Men (mutants are fvcking awesome) so I'd still go DC but its not as one-sided as many think.

I agree w/ you though...ironically, Batman despite being the "weakest" superhero is IMO the best of them all...the Batman franchise has the best world/story/characters

[Timmy D for MVP]

Marvel.

Both produce great stuff, both produce shit. Fan boys of one or the other crack me up because they're missing a lot of great works.

But for me Spider-Man is the best character in the entirety of comics, and then you throw in X-Men which can be brilliant, the Hulk, their cosmic books are on a higher level I think than DC's. Oh although idk now cause DC's new 52? Mostly garbage. What a dumb move. However Aquaman has been awesome!

I would just have more Marvel titles in my top than DC.

DC does have an edge in villains though. Often times the villains are far more interesting than the title character *cough* Batman *cough*

[Draz]

Marvel.

[ZeN]

Marvel Fan Boy Here.

[Myth]

Batman owns all of the Marvel characters, but other than that, I way prefer Marvel to DC.

[raiderfan19]

I hate the hulk. Movie wise it's marvel and it isn't close

[DaHeezy]

Batman/Superman takes every comic title ever, but Marvel overall is better than DC.
If DC ran with the Teen Titans they'd have something. They could write it with the same style that appeals to the Twilight/Harry Potter followers

[Jailblazers7]

Gotta go Marvel. Batman is great and Superman can be good sometimes but Marvel has a deep lineup and more consistently good storylines imo. They have a lot of my favorite characters with X-Men, Iron Man, Dr. Doom, etc.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I'm sorry, I've said this before but I just gotta put it out there again.

Batman is a great title, but the character of Batman himself is not as great. What makes Batman the book great is a) Often great art. b) Great concept. c) And this is the biggest point: great rogues gallery. The best in fact. Whereas like Spider-Man is a very interesting character, Batman is kinda flat.

I forgot to mention, I enjoy Marvel's wide events better... even though as of late they have been kinda meh... although DC's has been kinda shit so... it's like pick your poison. :oldlol:

[ClutchOver9000]

Damn, I gotta change my vote...I honestly forgot Spiderman was Marvel :facepalm

Basically Batman + Superman vs Spiderman + X-Men...

Flash is great but NOT on the level of the main guys listed above, same goes for Green Lantern/Aquaman/Wonder Woman/Hulk/Fantastic Four.

Before...I went DC because the Batman franchise IMO > than all...but Spiderman (who doesn't like Spiderman?) + X-Men (my favorite Marvel franchise :rockon:) together leans the balance in Marvel's favor I'd have to say

[BoogieWoogieMan]

Besides the mention of Iron Man, no love for the Avengers? :confusedshrug:

[Timmy D for MVP]

Besides the mention of Iron Man, no love for the Avengers? :confusedshrug:

BWM:

Avengers or Justice League?

[Meticode]

I've always leaned more towards DC myself, but I'm biased towards Batman.

[BoogieWoogieMan]

BWM:

Avengers or Justice League?

Dammit! Why are you doing this to me! :oldlol:

I only love a few individuals in the Justice League, compare to the whole of the Avengers (besides Ant Man, nobody likes him, not even him), so I'll go with the Marvel group.

[Myth]

Besides the mention of Iron Man, no love for the Avengers? :confusedshrug:

I like Iron Man, Hulk, Spider-man, and Captain America. Liked Thor as a kid, but the movie left a bad taste in my mouth. Don't care much for Hawkeye, Ant Man, or Blackwidow.

[War Machine]

Absolutely positively from yours truly without a double doubt come on people shout it out!

Marvel!!!

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[DaHeezy]

I'm sorry, I've said this before but I just gotta put it out there again.

Batman is a great title, but the character of Batman himself is not as great. What makes Batman the book great is a) Often great art. b) Great concept. c) And this is the biggest point: great rogues gallery. The best in fact. Whereas like Spider-Man is a very interesting character, Batman is kinda flat.

I forgot to mention, I enjoy Marvel's wide events better... even though as of late they have been kinda meh... although DC's has been kinda shit so... it's like pick your poison. :oldlol:

Batman is not interesting? A millionaire who's parents were killed as a kid, spends his life studying with assasins, comes back as a playboy with unlimited technology vs. An ackward highschooler who gets bit by a Spider and lives with his Aunt.
Who's more interesting? If anything Batman is so interesting he should make Dos Euqis commercials.
I'll agree Marvel is better than DC overall, but Batman/Superman trumps all. If anything Spidey is a poorman's Superman.

[Kblaze8855]

Marvel by a mile. If you could pick like....4 people from DC and move them to Marvel its godly. DC would have to be reuilt from the ground up. Replace Thanos with Darksied, drop in Batman, the green lanterns, and superman and Dc isnt even needed. It just wouldnt work because there would be too much overlap in roles. When superman is around other heroes arent even needed for major conflicts. Or at least they wouldnt be if Superman used his powers as he should.

Ive always found DC kinda...wacky. Which isnt for me. batman is such a marvel ass character its a shame hes stuck where he is. But perhaps he wouldnt stand out in marvel.

Most of the best Dc characters feel like Marvel ones. Batman. Darksied and the Green Lanterns kinda feel like they would have issue with the cosmic types of Marvel. I could see galactus meeting with the Lantern Guardians about important issues. Darksied having issue with Thor/Odin types.

Batman having to deal with mutants in gotham. batman and Spiderman would make for a good now and then pairing. a lot of spidermans enemies feel like people batman would be working against.

Superman has the worst enemies and stories in all comics perhaps. There are no real ways to challenge him without inventing some Bs never before seen monster with super duper beams to shoot at him or something.

Id be amused to see a story where somehow superman replaces Odin as King of Asgard and it rubs thor the wrong way. Let superman be the never actually doing anything but always the most feared guy like Odin to get out of having ot make stories for him.

Combine the worlds get rid of superman most of the time somehow...its Marvels world with Dc in it. not the other way around.

[War Machine]

I mean think about it. Superman - wow! How original! Batman, OK, I give you some creativity there, plus the movies are stellar. Wonder Woman? Laugh out loud. You can't be serious. The Flash, wow, another classic, huh?

Basically, all things considered, Marvel shits on DC.

/end thread.

a little off topic here. why can't I have a 100x100 personal picture? Mine will only allow me up to 80x80, but the picture I have saved on my desktop is larger than 80x80? Any help, please!

[Timmy D for MVP]

Batman is not interesting? A millionaire who's parents were killed as a kid, spends his life studying with assasins, comes back as a playboy with unlimited technology vs. An ackward highschooler who gets bit by a Spider and lives with his Aunt.
Who's more interesting? If anything Batman is so interesting he should make Dos Euqis commercials.
I'll agree Marvel is better than DC overall, but Batman/Superman trumps all. If anything Spidey is a poorman's Superman.

Batman is a blank slate. Granted that's likely the idea, although some of the writers who have worked on it just aren't very good. :oldlol: But he's a flat character, and in contrast his rogues gallery appears vibrant. And that is no accident. Bruce Wayne is sometimes entertaining. But I rarely feel moved by The Batman.

Spider-Man is no longer an awkward high schooler (it's been a while since you've picked up a Spider-Man title I take it). However from his conception he was just a regular guy who was stricken with these awesome powers. His personality, his character is all about trying to live life, but he has this sense of responsibility too. The angles they can use, and have in fact used, trump any other main title in comics. That is why he's the best character, you grow with him, you feel his pain, his joy, his sorrow, his failures, and ultimately his success. It's like finely written novel.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I mean think about it. Superman - wow! How original! Batman, OK, I give you some creativity there, plus the movies are stellar. Wonder Woman? Laugh out loud. You can't be serious. The Flash, wow, another classic, huh?

Basically, all things considered, Marvel shits on DC.

/end thread.

a little off topic here. why can't I have a 100x100 personal picture? Mine will only allow me up to 80x80, but the picture I have saved on my desktop is larger than 80x80? Any help, please!

I think you can so long as it's like 21 kb or something. It's the dimension limit or 21 kb whichever is smaller.

[Jackass18]

Marvel. Batman and Superman are quite overrated.

Silver Surfer and Thanos >
even counting that shitty FF movie

[Jackass18]

Marvel by a mile. If you could pick like....4 people from DC and move them to Marvel its godly. DC would have to be reuilt from the ground up. Replace Thanos with Darksied

Oh, God no. Just no.

[Loneshot]

Comics: Marvel (outside of Batman, i feel most DC characters are poorly showcased).

Animated movies: DC (love em)

Movies: DC (Batman alone trumps all this awful X movies, which bring down the quality of the Iron Man movies for Marvel's side).

[Jackass18]

Movies: DC (Batman alone trumps all this awful X movies, which bring down the quality of the Iron Man movies for Marvel's side).

What? Batman is pretty much the only quality that DC has movie-wise (unless I'm forgetting something). Marvel wins easy.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Dammit! Why are you doing this to me! :oldlol:

I only love a few individuals in the Justice League, compare to the whole of the Avengers (besides Ant Man, nobody likes him, not even him), so I'll go with the Marvel group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agq5ZZipL1Q

[Kblaze8855]

I like Thanos but I feel Darksied would be better in his role. Cant have both. though Thanos has emotion to him and I guess is easier ot make stories for because of it...

Its hard to take him serious. I could see Darksied taking over the universe much easier and not blowing it over a female or just...not taking things serious enough.

Thanos is a superpowered joke. I like my cosmic threats to be taken serious.

The best villians to me are guys like darksied, Apocalypse, and Doctor doom. And I know Doctor doom is pretty much an earthly thanos right down to losing infinite power for dumbass reasons but...im choosing to look the other way.

[Kblaze8855]

And while we are on the subject...

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Came out yesterday. Pirate away. Im gonna watch it shortly myself.

[Jackass18]

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Who's the joke? The guy has jobbed so much people call him Jobberseid.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Comics: Marvel (outside of Batman, i feel most DC characters are poorly showcased).

Animated movies: DC (love em)

Movies: DC (Batman alone trumps all this awful X movies, which bring down the quality of the Iron Man movies for Marvel's side).

Wait... what?

Not the earlier Batmans.

Spider-Man
Spider-Man2
X-Men
Blades
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Thor (yes I liked it)

Imprints:

Men in Black series
Kick Ass

Depending on your opinion on certain Batman flims DC doesn't quite match that.

But agreed the animated titles shit on Marvel. They have some of the best animated films period.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I like Thanos but I feel Darksied would be better in his role. Cant have both. though Thanos has emotion to him and I guess is easier ot make stories for because of it...

Its hard to take him serious. I could see Darksied taking over the universe much easier and not blowing it over a female or just...not taking things serious enough.

Thanos is a superpowered joke. I like my cosmic threats to be taken serious.

The best villians to me are guys like darksied, Apocalypse, and Doctor doom. And I know Doctor doom is pretty much an earthly thanos right down to losing infinite power for dumbass reasons but...im choosing to look the other way.

I too enjoy the cosmics to be taken seriously. But I did think AT FIRST that it was refreshing to see a different motive for the power grab that Thanos had.

Yes it is should have been wrapped up a long time ago and it's gotten tiresome, but Thanos is a good villain.

But I really like the cosmic threats to be a Galactus type or Celestials. It's like they operate on a level above us, and their motives are completely out of our control.

Oh how about Mr. Sinister as of late? I love this character man. :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Thanos gains power so great he battles Galactus, The Celestials, and Eternity in a war that destroyed entire galaxies....literally hurling stars and shit at eachother. And he won. And then he lost. Anyway. And later...in a totally unrelated situation...

Thanos got so powerful...he became one with all that exists. He became in his words "The last breath of a dying woman". he was...the universe.

And still died.

Thanos is killed over and over by beings of varied power(sometimes...hes just...punched really hard or stabbed...I think Drax did that once). But the one constant is...he ends up looking like a bitch.

When you are so powerful the right hand of god(Living tribunal) has to go get backup...and you defeat him......and you lose anyway?

You are a bitch.

Darksied given that level of power...doesnt lose.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Thanos gains power so great he battles Galactus, The Celestials, and Eternity in a war that destroyed entire galaxies....literally hurling stars and shit at eachother. And he won. And then he lost. Anyway. And later...in a totally unrelated situation...

Thanos got so powerful...he became one with all that exists. He became in his words "The last breath of a dying woman". he was...the universe.

And still died.

Thanos is killed over and over by beings of varied power(sometimes...hes just...punched really hard or stabbed...I think Drax did that once). But the one constant is...he ends up looking like a bitch.

When you are so powerful the right hand of god(Living tribunal) has to go get backup...and you defeat him......and you lose anyway?

You are a bitch.

Darksied given that level of power...doesnt lose.

Well... yes he would because they'd have to write it that way.

But I agree writers need to come up with a better way to depower that character, they shouldn't always die. My favorite is in one of the characters I mention all the time, Molecule Man. He attains the power to literally re-write the Universe with but a flick of the wrist, and how did they write him out? He says: "Okay I'm done." and just goes and watches movies with his wife. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

You couldnt really write a way for Darksied to lose the way Thanos does. Its totally in Thanos character to just ho up over love or play around like a fool and lose when he has the power of the universe. To beat Darksied in that situation they would have to force god to just step in and "Nah homie..." the whole situation. It wouldnt be Darksied playing with a puppy with his girlfriend and forgetting to hold really tight to the glove that makes him all powerful.

Thanos goes out like a chump.

As for Molecule man....that almost makes sense for him. Hes not really evil. Nor does he really seek to rule anything. he just got the power of the beyonders and....acts up with it from time to time.

Hes not out to do anything on the level his powers allow. He doesnt just get...defeated. He just lets things go.

Thanos gets straight murdered.

[Alamo]

Wait... what?

Not the earlier Batmans.

Spider-Man
Spider-Man2
X-Men
Blades
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Thor (yes I liked it)

Imprints:

Men in Black series
Kick Ass

Depending on your opinion on certain Batman flims DC doesn't quite match that.

But agreed the animated titles shit on Marvel. They have some of the best animated films period.

Did you purposely leave out X-men First class, and the Incredible Hulk(Edward Norton)? Those are two of the best Marvel movies IMO.

And I liked Thor too. Great movie

[Timmy D for MVP]

Did you purposely leave out X-men First class, and the Incredible Hulk(Edward Norton)? Those are two of the best Marvel movies IMO.

And I liked Thor too. Great movie

I did forget about the second Hulk and I have yet to see First Class myself.

[Kblaze8855]

First class was solid.

[Timmy D for MVP]

First class was solid.

I def plan to see it. Was it an X-Men movie or did it use the X-Men as a vehicle for more the global story?

[Kblaze8855]

There were no xmen. It was Professor X and Magneto before they were enemies. Off the top of my head only Beast(and it was 60s pre blue beast), Professor X, Emma Frost, and Banshee far as people who were ever xmen. Though some others appeared...I wont ruin it for you. Its a good movie for people into comics who would get the references.

I dont think ive told you anything the trailer wouldnt. I try to never spoil movies for people.

[pauk]

DC

Just because of Deathstroke, best style ever :bowdown:

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[Kblaze8855]

Movie I posted earlier seems based on the JLA tower of babel thing where Batmans emergency plans to beat other heroes are used against them.

I remember Professor X had similar plans to use against the xmen. And I think Reed Richards has some for other marvel types.

I guess someone has to be ready in either universe.

[Loneshot]

All the X-Men movies have been awful for me. Iron Man (1/2) were both pretty good, but after that, the rest of the Marvel movies are either bad or decent at best. The rebooted Batman series trump anything Marvel had in theaters. If you toss in DC's animated films then Marvel really gets left in the dust.

[Kblaze8855]

DC animated is amazing. Batman, superman, and even Wonder woman have had great movies. The Red hood batman movie, Batman/superman public enemy, and the one I cant remember the name of with Superman, batman, and supergirl going to fight Darksied....all great.

Plus the JLA series and the expanded one that followed? marvel has not done its TV series right since the 90s(Hulk, xmen, fantastic four, and spiderman were all good).

[Kblaze8855]

Batman stays sonning superman.


Superman : "Maybe I can just move the planet...."



"If we had a week I couldnt explain all the reasons that wont work...."

And he says it with such a dismissive tone. Like "**** this dude...let me figure this out real quick and assign the strong smiling guy a task to get him out of my way"

Batman is my favorite character for things like that. Hes always the weakest guy in the room but he finds a way to win. Such as this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE5RXhPwlKc

[Myth]

Batman stays sonning superman.


Superman : "Maybe I can just move the planet...."



"If we had a week I couldnt explain all the reasons that wont work...."

And he says it with such a dismissive tone. Like "**** this dude...let me figure this out real quick and assign the strong smiling guy a task to get him out of my way"

Batman is my favorite character for things like that. Hes always the weakest guy in the room but he finds a way to win. Such as this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE5RXhPwlKc

I really enjoyed that animated movie.

[El Kabong]

I was firmly in the Marvel camp, however since DC released the new 52 i've been reading more DC than Marvel. My DC reading list is usually something like Batman, Detective Comics, All-Star Western, Aquaman and Green Lantern, while my Marvel list has dwindled to Deadpool, Deadpool MAX and Captain America. Was reading Punisherr MAX as well but they've recently ended that and I dropped the main Punisher title as it was pretty weak compared.

[Jackass18]

Thanos is killed over and over by beings of varied power

Thanos' downfall was always Thanos. Deep down he didn't think himself worthy. Or, as someone else put it: "Warlock tells Thanos that because he was encased in the Soul Gem that he knows Thanos' secrets, dreams and personality better than anyone, including Thanos himself. He tells Thanos that although he seeks ultimate power he feels he does not deserve it. This is why after three chances at godlike powers he has failed. Subconsciously, Thanos always supplied the means for his own defeat"


(sometimes...hes just...punched really hard or stabbed...I think Drax did that once).

Drax was resurrected with the sole purpose of killing Thanos. He had that glowing aura Hulkrage thing when he was around Thanos and killed a weakened Thanos from behind. It was his destiny to kill Thanos (kind of like Orion killing Darkseid).


But the one constant is...he ends up looking like a bitch.

How so? Hes gone on to save the universe multiple times and typically gets the better of everyone when he becomes involved in something. He's stood up to some powerful beings even when not having some sort of universal power (he had an epic battle with Odin for example). If anyone's a bitch, then it's Darkseid. Owned by stairs? Crying like an emo on various occasions?

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Darksied given that level of power...doesnt lose

Yeah, he would. They always have to give villains some flaw that allows the heroes to overcome and win out in the end. For Darkseid, it would be something lame like Wonder Woman deflecting the OB back at him or something.

[Kblaze8855]

Im not worried about what is clearly a joke panel. Thats not a Darksied as he generally is. Thanos....as he generally is...is mentally weak and destined to lose no matter how powerful he may be. when you are the universe....3 times. And lose anyway? I cant take you serious.

And as I said yes the bad guy would have to lose. But you couldnt make it anything like him just....bitching up.

Off the top of my head the only character he flat out backs down from for reasons of power....is his father. And that was a one time thing. Hes lost fights for one reason or another but so has Thanos.

Thanos looks worse in defeat though because hes just....never the threat his power suggests. And in the end none of the shit he did even happened.

Hes the most mentally weak character I can think of. At least reative to his power. He prettym uch loser no matter what because hes a loser.

Hes the comic book version of Birds skills in Shaqs body but he loses in the finals yearly putting up 12/4/2 on 31% shooting.

[Jackass18]

Im not worried about what is clearly a joke panel. Thats not a Darksied as he generally is.

He's not a joke even though there's a bunch of things making a joke of him? I mean, falling on his face because he's too damn clumsy to walk down stairs? Jobbing enough times that he started getting called Jobberseid? Crying all those times? Losing to Batman?


Thanos....as he generally is...is mentally weak and destined to lose no matter how powerful he may be. when you are the universe....3 times. And lose anyway? I cant take you serious.

Why? He's not meant to rule the universe. Nobody really is. He knows it, but he has still shown the ability to bitch everyone even those super-cosmic beings multiple times. As I said, the guy has helped saved the universe on multiple occasions, taken it over on multiple occasions, bitchslapped others around, has pretty much gotten the better of SS on every occasion, stood up to beings more powerful than he is (another example is Tyrant, who was pretty much on Galactus' level), but you can't take him serious? OK...


And as I said yes the bad guy would have to lose. But you couldnt make it anything like him just....bitching up.

He's not worthy to rule. How is that bitching up? He's just not worthy. He's not an omnipotent God and wasn't made to be one. He set high goals and actually achieved them, but in the end relinquished the power for the better of the universe (or moreso, because he's a villain and they're always written to lose in the end). The way you're talking, all villains must be bitches in your mind.


Thanos looks worse in defeat though because hes just....never the threat his power suggests. And in the end none of the shit he did even happened.

Never the threat his power suggest? He destroyed some of the most powerful beings out there. The only one who could stop him was basically himself. When the only one who can stop you is yourself, then you look better than everyone else.


Hes the comic book version of Birds skills in Shaqs body but he loses in the finals yearly putting up 12/4/2 on 31% shooting.

That makes no sense at all. Thanos achieved high end feats, higher than pretty much anyone else including supreme beings that could blink galaxies out of existence if they wanted to.

[Kblaze8855]

Once again...I dont care about some joke panel or absurd story outside the normal universe. Darksied killed his own son without so much as a sigh of regret....and I believe killed his mother too. But im to take that as less of an idea about his emotional state than some random story of him crying over rejection? Im to take it serious when a being that can fly and stand toe to toe with planet moving level oldschool superman....gets hurt falling down stairs? I care as much about that as I do about Galactus being beaten by all manner of random people when it serves the story and a writer feels like being an idiot.

Thanos...in his general role...is a powerful ****up. And what do you mean he lost because he wasnt meant to rule? The judge of the multiverse...the right hand man of god himself...when asked by Eternity to stop thanos...said no. Said he wasnt upsetting the balance just replacing Eternitys role.

Nothing was gonna stop him the first time. He just didnt have it in him to rule. he was mentally weak.

Sure he had to lose for the universe to continue....but its how that makes hi ma joke to me. Dude is all powerful and loses because his head isnt in the game and hes not taking it serious. he almost lost the first time by just letting the Surfer snatch the glove off while he was trying to show off for his girlfriend....

He just isnt to be taken serious. Not when no matter how powerful he gets he loses and it might as well have never happened....just because he doesnt have it in him to win.

Hes destined to lose not because hes a "bad guy". hes destined to lose because hes a loser. He doesnt get defeated. He loses because his nature forces him to not win. If that isnt being a loser what is?

If losing...when you ARE the universe...isnt being upset....lets just get rid of the word.

[EnoughSaid]

Ohhh, and video games too. What do you guys think? DC Universe Online and the Arkham Batman games trump anything Marvel has been able to put out.

[Jackass18]

Thanos...in his general role...is a powerful ****up. And what do you mean he lost because he wasnt meant to rule?

As in Marvel wouldn't let it happen. They didn't want Thanos to become some omnipotent ruler or become some abstract being. They wanted him to lose power so that he could then became a threat later on again.


Sure he had to lose for the universe to continue....but its how that makes hi ma joke to me. Dude is all powerful and loses because his head isnt in the game and hes not taking it serious. he almost lost the first time by just letting the Surfer snatch the glove off while he was trying to show off for his girlfriend....

So, what? Subconsciously, he wanted to lose the power, so the means didn't really matter. Also, I liked the What If... issue where SS was able to get the IG. He wasn't worthy either.


He just isnt to be taken serious. Not when no matter how powerful he gets he loses and it might as well have never happened....just because he doesnt have it in him to win.

He did win.


Hes destined to lose not because hes a "bad guy". hes destined to lose because hes a loser. He doesnt get defeated. He loses because his nature forces him to not win. If that isnt being a loser what is?

Eh, I think there's a huge difference from 'losing' on a grand scale and 'losing' on a tiny scale. The guy helped save the universe on various occasions. He's "won" far more than he's "lost". He's gotten the better of everyone more than anyone has gotten the better of him. He's gotten the better of beings that very few, if any have. He's had heroes that know not to trust him have to team up with him to get a job done. He's done more than just the IG and Cosmic Cube stuff. I don't see how he's a loser. He pulled of some insane feats. He's done things others haven't. He succeeded on the smaller scale stuff without undoing himself in the end. Who has been able to gain ultimate power without losing it?

[Timmy D for MVP]

All the X-Men movies have been awful for me. Iron Man (1/2) were both pretty good, but after that, the rest of the Marvel movies are either bad or decent at best. The rebooted Batman series trump anything Marvel had in theaters. If you toss in DC's animated films then Marvel really gets left in the dust.

Wait wait wait.

Spider 2 was bad or decent? :eek:

[Loneshot]

Wait wait wait.

Spider 2 was bad or decent? :eek:

All the Spidey movies were just ok. I'm pretty optimistic about the reboot despite the bad casting of Gwen Stacy.

[El Kabong]

Ohhh, and video games too. What do you guys think? DC Universe Online and the Arkham Batman games trump anything Marvel has been able to put out.
1. Batman Arkham Asylum/City
2. Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3
3A. Ultimate Alliance
3B. DC Universe Online
4. Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe

There have been a few quality individual Marvel games on the PS2 and XBOX. The Punisher was fantastic, it mixed the violence and brutality of something like Max Payne while still keeping it grounded in the established Marvel universe. X-Men Legends series was also very enjoyable. There's been a few decent to good Spiderman games as well such as the first couple of movie tie-in games as well as Shattered Dimensions on the PS3/XBOX 360.

DC Universe gets points since it's not free to play, it didn't really get my interest and I haven't played it very much. Ultimate Alliance can get repetitive as it's simply a button masher, but the sheer amount of characters it contains as well as the powerup and the team up moves you can execute means there's plenty of experimenting you can do. As well as adding storyline choices into the 2nd game gave it a bit of replayability as well and the Civil War storyline while changed for the videogame was also enjoyable.

So far there hasn't been anything with the depth and quality story of the Batman Arkham games however and that'd always be my first recomendation for someone who wanted to get a superhero game.

[El Kabong]

All the Spidey movies were just ok. I'm pretty optimistic about the reboot despite the bad casting of Gwen Stacy.
If you want to see some Spider-Man shit, go see the Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark musical. I saw it while in NY, holy shit is it terrible. It's got some impressive sets, but it's so corny and campy. It's like the old 60's Batman show, but not as self aware. The music is terrible and the storyline is a mish-mash of already done origin stories while adding their own terrible touches (A villian named Swiss Miss, who's a chick with swiss army knives essentially glued onto her body and arms).

It'd be a good show to go see if you got high before hand though since there's some impressive stuff with the sets and lasers and video walls and such. Kinda like one of those planitarium shows I guess.

[gigantes]

Which has the better stories, characters, movies, merchandise and all?
hmm... childrens comics versus childrens comics.

i'm gonna need to regress to a 13-yr old to answer this properly. hang on...

[Timmy D for MVP]

All the Spidey movies were just ok. I'm pretty optimistic about the reboot despite the bad casting of Gwen Stacy.

WHAT!?

I don't even know what to say right now...

Spider-Man 2 is the second best comic book movie.

I think you might be in the minority as far as the reboot is concerned.

[Timmy D for MVP]

hmm... childrens comics versus childrens comics.

i'm gonna need to regress to a 13-yr old to answer this properly. hang on...

:oldlol:

This is such a dated notion.

[Kblaze8855]

Yea...kids dont support comic books. Adults who remember reading them in the 70s-90s support comic books. Kids these days have too many options to get into reading anything.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

WHAT!?

I don't even know what to say right now...

Spider-Man 2 is the second best comic book movie.

I think you might be in the minority as far as the reboot is concerned.

Batman 1/2 and Begins/TDK >>>> Spiderman 2.

[Myth]

Batman 1/2 and Begins/TDK >>>> Spiderman 2.

I agree with you on this one.

[gigantes]

:oldlol:

This is such a dated notion.
bullshit. i read comics all the time and i'm over 30. i do check out marvel and DC stuff occasionally but it's still stuck in the same old formulas from decades ago. the stories are more modern and the art is dazzled up, but it's still made for children.

by that i mean, for when an adult mind wants very light material. i.e., opposite of a challenge.

it's always true that there's a few exceptions of course, like production houses that get issued under the DC logo, like the amazing "big book" series of 17 issues.

[Timmy D for MVP]

You guys are kidding me with the Batman stuff man.

And gigantes to you I say bullshit. Comic books are a medium. And just like any other medium there is material produced for everyone. Most the money in the industry comes from adults, and the books are produced to reflect that.

[Kblaze8855]

bullshit. i read comics all the time and i'm over 30. i do check out marvel and DC stuff occasionally but it's still stuck in the same old formulas from decades ago. the stories are more modern and the art is dazzled up, but it's still made for children.

Really....when was the last time you saw a kid talking about comic books? Even online its adults. Ive not seen akid read one in like 20 years.

I know more people 40+ into comics than kids.Comic place at the mall is full of 20-40 some things. No kids.

Kids wanting to see a spiderman movie doesnt mean they read comics. It means they know who spiderman is from tv and commercials.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Really....when was the last time you saw a kid talking about comic books? Even online its adults. Ive not seen akid read one in like 20 years.

I know more people 40+ into comics than kids.Comic place at the mall is full of 20-40 some things. No kids.

Kids wanting to see a spiderman movie doesnt mean they read comics. It means they know who spiderman is from tv and commercials.

I have never seen a kid in either of the two comic stores I frequent.

No that's a lie, once on Free Comic Book day. And the kids came to meet members of the 501st Legion.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You guys are kidding me with the Batman stuff man.

And gigantes to you I say bullshit. Comic books are a medium. And just like any other medium there is material produced for everyone. Most the money in the industry comes from adults, and the books are produced to reflect that.

I'm a fanboi, not gonna deny it. :oldlol:

I just don't see how you think this can be uninteresting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHp9vLCYzM -- to me, the best scene in all of Nolan's Bat movies.

[Timmy D for MVP]

I'm a fanboi, not gonna deny it. :oldlol:

I just don't see how you think this can be uninteresting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHp9vLCYzM -- to me, the best scene in all of Nolan's Bat movies.

I don't think it's uninteresting. I just think Spider-Man 2, TDK, and Superman's I and II are on a tier above all other movies. (Granted Superman II is a little bit lower).

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I don't think it's uninteresting. I just think Spider-Man 2, TDK, and Superman's I and II are on a tier above all other movies. (Granted Superman II is a little bit lower).

Well you (I think it was you) said the character of Batman was flat. Wasn't sure if you meant the movies, comic books, or just the concept in general. I thought Nolan's depiction of Batman was brilliant. Epic even.

I'd add Batman '89 on your list. Legendary movie, forget the comic aspect. Only thing I disliked was the fact Burton changed it to having Jack Naiper as the one who killed Bruce's parents (guess they did it to make the story more serious and dark).

[gigantes]

And gigantes to you I say bullshit. Comic books are a medium. And just like any other medium there is material produced for everyone. Most the money in the industry comes from adults, and the books are produced to reflect that.
i don't disagree with any of that, but neither does that refute anything i said. as you say, there's plenty of stuff produced for adults. my point is that marvel and DC are generally the last place to look for such stuff.


@kblaze,
i don't disagree with you about child consumers today. i'm sure you're more on top of that than i am.

OTOH, that wasn't my point as i explained in my previous post. i think i was pretty clear about that.

...

bottom line, if you guys think there's some good literature that DC / marvel is putting out these days, feel free to hook me up. stuff about real people, real life situations, educational material... just plain good literature.

if you want, i can do the same.

[Timmy D for MVP]

i don't disagree with any of that, but neither does that refute anything i said. as you say, there's plenty of stuff produced for adults. my point is that marvel and DC are generally the last place to look for such stuff.


@kblaze,
i don't disagree with you about child consumers today. i'm sure you're more on top of that than i am.

OTOH, that wasn't my point as i explained in my previous post. i think i was pretty clear about that.

...

bottom line, if you guys think there's some good literature that DC / marvel is putting out these days, feel free to hook me up. stuff about real people, real life situations, educational material... just plain good literature.

if you want, i can do the same.

What do you mean non-Superhero stuff?

There are "Cape" books that have numerous themes, and read like literature.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Well you (I think it was you) said the character of Batman was flat. Wasn't sure if you meant the movies, comic books, or just the concept in general. I thought Nolan's depiction of Batman was brilliant. Epic even.

I'd add Batman '89 on your list. Legendary movie, forget the comic aspect. Only thing I disliked was the fact Burton changed it to having Jack Naiper as the one who killed Bruce's parents (guess they did it to make the story more serious and dark).

Oh yeah I think The Batman is a flat character in comparison. Again he's not a bad character, but the books rely on everyone else around him imo.

[gigantes]

What do you mean non-Superhero stuff?

There are "Cape" books that have numerous themes, and read like literature.
"literature" as in stuff of this quality--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_graphic_novels:_Award-winning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Comics_Journal#Top_100_Comics_list

and yea, not terribly interested in reading more superhero stuff at this point considering how many years i did that in the past. although i have indeed read most of the top superhero stuff, like on those lists...

[Timmy D for MVP]

"literature" as in stuff of this quality--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_graphic_novels:_Award-winning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Comics_Journal#Top_100_Comics_list

and yea, not terribly interested in reading more superhero stuff at this point considering how many years i did that in the past. although i have indeed read most of the top superhero stuff, like on those lists...

Comic books and graphic novels are two different things that share similarities. But make no mistake, they are separate.

Without going to deep into this conversation cause it's a can of worms: the "Literature" people generally refuse to place comic books into their ranks. It makes me sound like a bitter nerd but it's true. They'll look more favorably upon a Graphic Novel, but it's generally set up more like a regular book. (Some notable exceptions to every rule of course).

So while a serial comic book may not crack too many lists, they should still be viewed as serious material. For example I just finished Spider Island. An event that Marvel did last year. The whole theme was that everyone in Manhattan started getting Spider-Man's powers, and at the climax of the book Peter Parker was ready to sit back and let his super powered friends do the work, because he no longer had the advantage of his powers, and thus was rendered obsolete. He didn't feel like he was needed anymore, it took others to remind him what makes Spider-Man great is Peter Parker, not the other way around.

Real issues, that we struggle with everyday: doubt, loss of confidence, trying to find our place, trying to find our purpose, etc. On full display in this series. (Seriously everyone read Spider Island it was the bee's knees).

There are non-Cape stories that are brilliant as well, but you can't sell them short. Superhero comics are like everything else, there's good and bad, and then absolute brilliant, and absolute shit. You just have to find what's what. And you have to read in between the lines.

[ZeN]

End Thread/

http://www.clayenos.com/content/watchmen/01.jpg

[G-Funk]

Batman would get killed just by any Marvel in a fight

[gigantes]

timmy D,
you realise you're preaching to the choir, right? :P

but yea, agree with most of what you say. although i do think the difference between "comic", "graphic novel", "bande dessinee" and any other terms is far more trivial than most realise.

look at that second list: 75%+ of those are loose comics, not graphic novel comics. and as long as the high quality is there then the work will win awards and/or find a niche, regardless of format. so let others argue about the format- i'll take the cream of the crop while they're arguing. :D



Real issues, that we struggle with everyday: doubt, loss of confidence, trying to find our place, trying to find our purpose, etc. On full display in this series. (Seriously everyone read Spider Island it was the bee's knees).
very well said, and i agree with the spirit of it whole-heartedly. as far as a scenerio involving everyone turning in to spiderman... you know what? i personally will look for something of the same quality, only revolving around something that could actually happen.

i'll take a look at what the near-future might be like with an early ice age:
http://mycomicpost.com/?p=41780

i'll take a look into a gentleman's club from victorian england that specialised in discreet murders:
http://mycomicpost.com/?p=44678

i'll take historical fiction revolving around the plot to kill grigory rasputin in 1916 pre-soviet russia:
http://mycomicpost.com/index.php?s=petrograd

i'll take a look at what a techno-civilisation which has lost it's morality (sound familiar?) might be like:
http://mycomicpost.com/index.php?s=incal


i... don't... care... anymore about zombies and people gaining superhero powers and japanese action-adventures of adults who look twelve years old with lousy haircuts and a superhero that got resurrected for the seventh time through a teleportation to a parallel universe and all the other stuff.

i'm over it. kaput. done. finis. terminado. i ain't 13-years old anymore and i'm not even 27-years old anymore. it's time for me to move on.

sorry, might have been a rant or two in there, timmy D.

well, it's fun to talk comics... :lol

[Timmy D for MVP]

timmy D,
you realise you're preaching to the choir, right? :P

but yea, agree with most of what you say. although i do think the difference between "comic", "graphic novel", "bande dessinee" and any other terms is far more trivial than most realise.

look at that second list: 75%+ of those are loose comics, not graphic novel comics. and as long as the high quality is there then the work will win awards and/or find a niche, regardless of format. so let others argue about the format- i'll take the cream of the crop while they're arguing. :D



very well said, and i agree with the spirit of it whole-heartedly. as far as a scenerio involving everyone turning in to spiderman... you know what? i personally will look for something of the same quality, only revolving around something that could actually happen.

i'll take a look at what the near-future might be like with an early ice age:
http://mycomicpost.com/?p=41780

i'll take a look into a gentleman's club from victorian england that specialised in discreet murders:
http://mycomicpost.com/?p=44678

i'll take historical fiction revolving around the plot to kill grigory rasputin in 1916 pre-soviet russia:
http://mycomicpost.com/index.php?s=petrograd

i'll take a look at what a techno-civilisation which has lost it's morality (sound familiar?) might be like:
http://mycomicpost.com/index.php?s=incal


i... don't... care... anymore about zombies and people gaining superhero powers and japanese action-adventures of adults who look twelve years old with lousy haircuts and a superhero that got resurrected for the seventh time through a teleportation to a parallel universe and all the other stuff.

i'm over it. kaput. done. finis. terminado. i ain't 13-years old anymore and i'm not even 27-years old anymore. it's time for me to move on.

sorry, might have been a rant or two in there, timmy D.

well, it's fun to talk comics... :lol

Naw man I understand exactly what you mean. I was burnt out for a couple years myself actually. And most people fail to realize what you do: that there are sooo many comics out there that aren't superheros, and are slice of life type titles. There are some beautiful stories out there, and the medium is a very powerful one.

And zero worries man. I love talking comics. Comics, video games, and basketball are the things that I am very opinionated on, and you have your strong opinions too. I enjoy talking to folk like you who know what they're talking about, and who bring something different to the table. :cheers:

[gigantes]

I enjoy talking to folk like you who know what they're talking about, and who bring something different to the table. :cheers:
same. rock on. :cheers:

and i hope duncan continues bathing in the fountain of youth... probably my favorite player after j-kidd, but i digress.

[Timmy D for MVP]

same. rock on. :cheers:

and i hope duncan continues bathing in the fountain of youth... probably my favorite player after j-kidd, but i digress.

Naw I need them to cool it. They're gonna burn themselves out there's a finite amount of great basketball left in that team and they're using it too early. :oldlol:

[raiderfan19]

Just picked up justice league doom. Bout to watch it

[Hermit]

http://i39.tinypic.com/344cdaw.jpg

[Timmy D for MVP]

^^^^^^^

Tsch. Nerd.

[El Kabong]

^^^^^^^

Tsch. Nerd.
Well, he is a hermit.

[rezznor]

Im not worried about what is clearly a joke panel. Thats not a Darksied as he generally is. Thanos....as he generally is...is mentally weak and destined to lose no matter how powerful he may be. when you are the universe....3 times. And lose anyway? I cant take you serious.

And as I said yes the bad guy would have to lose. But you couldnt make it anything like him just....bitching up.

Off the top of my head the only character he flat out backs down from for reasons of power....is his father. And that was a one time thing. Hes lost fights for one reason or another but so has Thanos.

Thanos looks worse in defeat though because hes just....never the threat his power suggests. And in the end none of the shit he did even happened.

Hes the most mentally weak character I can think of. At least reative to his power. He prettym uch loser no matter what because hes a loser.

Hes the comic book version of Birds skills in Shaqs body but he loses in the finals yearly putting up 12/4/2 on 31% shooting.
so he's LeBron?

[RoseCity07]

Superman is just so cheap. I think Marvel wins.

Oh wow Superman has one weakness. Who the hell would ever find that out anyway. Someone walking around with kryptonite in their pocket that just so happens to stand next to Superman?

Batman is a ninja. That is awesome. This is a guy that will run up to you and bash your face in if he doesn't like what you're doing. Yeah he's rich, but this dude has some psychological issues that fuel him. His parents were killed, and he has a ton of money. He goes out of his way to become a ninja so he can fight crime. Batman is the only hero I like in DC comics.

[Kblaze8855]

Hes Lebron on HGH(or...more HGH).

[Myth]

Oh wow Superman has one weakness. Who the hell would ever find that out anyway. Someone walking around with kryptonite in their pocket that just so happens to stand next to Superman?


I've always found Superman to one of the lamest, more boring characters. He sounds like a character written by a 5 year old. His name is boring and unoriginal, and he has every superpower a 5 year old would think of. The only reason he is famous is because we were all 5 once. And I completely agree that having 1 weakness is stupid. It makes every Superman story the same. Pretty much every time Superman is in trouble, it is because "Oh no! The bad guys have kryptonite! What a shocker!"

[Kblaze8855]

I bet Thanos gets beaten by a well thrown Captain America shield while hes looking at Scarletts ass if they put him in the next Avengers(though some think hes gonna be in Thor 2).

[raiderfan19]

I bet Thanos gets beaten by a well thrown Captain America shield while hes looking at Scarletts ass if they put him in the next Avengers(though some think hes gonna be in Thor 2).
I don't see how they do thanos as the main villain unless he just sends others to attack. No one in the avengers can match him power level wise. The only thing they could do is bring in Adam warlock because it's usually him of surfer that fights thanos and they don't have the rights to surfer

[Kblaze8855]

Odin has fought thanos so I dont see why they couldnt manage to let Thor. Grant him some portion of the Odin force or something.

Thor and the Hulk vs thanos would at least make for a crazy fight scene if Thanos didnt just decide to magic them away.

[DetroitPiston]

Both are awesome, both have great characters, but Marvel edges it for me. Marvel has that whole life problem thing down to a T. Tony Stark with his alcoholism, Spider-Man with his life problems, and so on.

DC does have some great non superhero stuff though. 100 Bullets for instance, great story and Lono's a ****ing badass.

Also, today's Free Comic Book Day.

[Dasher]

I'd take Marvel over DC any day. I do have a gripe with Marvel cancelling all of my favorite comics. Agents of ATLAS, X-23, The Runaways, and The Secret Warriors respectively. I am trying to not get too attached to The Winter Soldier. I believe The Civil War-Secret Invasion-Dark Reign is the greatest story-writing period in comic book history.