Tim Duncan Appreciation

[DMV2]

Just because he doesn't get enough love from non-Spurs fans.
http://px9.funformobile.com/d/169/61/1fjdcjav7c/timwinner.gif

http://gifsoup.com/view/128931/tim-duncan-3-o.gif

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[Alamo]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Greatest PF of all time and my favorite player ever. Any true basketball fan will appreciate what he has done on the court. I'm grateful that I got a watch him play and be dominant for so many years. I've also been lucky enough to meet Timmy and get his autograph, he is the definition of sportsmanship.

Living legend

[DMV2]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Greatest PF of all time and my favorite player ever. Any true basketball fan will appreciate what he has done on the court. I'm grateful that I got a watch him play and be dominant for so many years. I've also been lucky enough to meet Timmy and get his autograph, he is the definition of sportsmanship.

Living legend
Last time there was a lockout, King Duncan won his first championship. Maybe this lockout will get him is last championship as he goes out as a champion.

I would not mind seeing that happen again.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkezplpY21qcp1zao1_500.jpg

[Champ]

Love Duncan.

First time I saw him was in college in the mid-90s. I was at UMass when Duncan and Wake Forest rolled into town. UMass took the game and Marcus Camby appeared to win the individual match-up.

Hard to believe that the two were considered equals at the time.

[jlip]

[QUOTE=DMV2]

The greatest power forward of all-time and by the end of his career, he might go down as the greatest big man to have ever play the game. Very versatile, offensively and defensively.
QUOTE]

Agree with everything but the bolded part. I honestly do not see Duncan's rank changing from where it is today. He's normally anywhere from 7-11 on most people's list. I really don't see him accomplishing much more after age 35 that will move his ranking.

[Odinn]

The greatest power forward of all-time and by the end of his career, he might go down as the greatest big man to have ever play the game. Very versatile, offensively and defensively.

I love Duncan and great thread but the bolded part is just unrealistic.

[JellyBean]

I gotta say, I do agree. He does not get enough respect. As a Tim Duncan hatin dude, I gotta give props where props are do; Tim Duncan is among the all-time great PFs in the NBA. Not better than Malone (Karl) but he is among the greats. I will give him the nod above my boy KG...and people know I am a huge Kevin Garnett fan. But I agree, Tim is greatly under appreciated in the league and among non-Spurs fans. Good thread.

[rodman91]

I love Duncan and great thread but the bolded part is just unrealistic.

If you don't buy fairy tales, why not? Not as career accomplishments but just as individual player.

[DMV2]

Agree with everything but the bolded part. I honestly do not see Duncan's rank changing from where it is today. He's normally anywhere from 7-11 on most people's list. I really don't see him accomplishing much more after age 35 that will move his ranking.
Skills-wise, Duncan is better than Shaq and probably Wilt too(also a bigger winner than Wilt). Numbers-wise, he's better than Russell.

Numbers, championships, defense and his ability to score from any spot of the floor should put him in the discussion among the all-time PF/C greats.

Maybe it's because he's near the end of his career but I'm actually starting to reevaluate his spot on my Top 10 list. I'm thinking of discrediting what Wilt and Russell did in their eras and just put Shaq and Duncan above them because the game has gotten so much better since the 80's.

[Crown&Coke]

very underappreciated.

love everything about him from his game to his character.

very funny dude as well. and I heard his wife is very beautiful; damn, now I hate his life :cry:

[DMV2]

very underappreciated.

love everything about him from his game to his character.

very funny dude as well. and I heard his wife is very beautiful; damn, now I hate his life :cry:Tim with wifey and former Spurs center Mengke Bateer.
http://stacheketball.neswblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/tim-duncan-and-family1.jpg

What a lucky guy. :applause:
http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hoopsvibe.jpg

[rodman91]

She got married with famous millionaire family man. Which one is moe lucky? :oldlol:

[creepingdeath]

Unappreciated by non-Spurs fans? Well, you better start with your own fans.. just visit Spurstalk, and you'll see what I mean.

[Legends66NBA7]

I've liked his game a lot for years.

Always thought he was one the most clutch players in the game. He's head and shoulders above a lot other power forwards in the game.

If he was in any other major market (like say New York), people would probably be arguing him Top 5 of all-time.

[gcvbcat]

he has kept the spurs relevant all these years
take him away & spurs are a lottery team
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
:rockon: :rockon:
:cheers: :cheers:

[pauk]

Great player and person, all the respect in the world..... but to be honest i never was fond of his game, i appreciated it ofcourse, but he was just not so entertaining to me... its exactly like the times i forced myself to watch Casablanca, i know its one of the best movies ever, but i.. just.. cant... like it! :D

[Primary]

Highly, highly underappreciated player by the common fan. I hope his legacy 10 years from now is that which he deserves. One of my all time favorites and one of the smartest players ive been fortunate enough to watch. Any player should model parts of their game after him.

[Carbine]

How the hell does someone put Karl Malone above or at Tim's level?

[swi7ch]

Clearly the GOAT PF. Anyone who says otherwise needs to look at his resume again.

[swi7ch]

How the hell does someone put Karl Malone above or at Tim's level?
Welcome to ISH! :cheers:

[inclinerator]

one of the most entertaining players, post hook shot, bank shot sooo sxy

[rodman91]

How the hell does someone put Karl Malone above or at Tim's level?

Karl Malone is all time great and more likely he would be in top 10 if they haven't face with Bulls.

He was considered GOAT PF before Duncan.

[Killbot]

Duncan' Doughnuts fillin' up the stat sheet and his career resume left and right. :bowdown:

[ballashotcalla]

Should've been listed as center and gone against Yao, Shaq, and the other bigs.

He's good, but SA protected him too much by always having a bigger dude playing with timmay.

[DMV2]

Should've been listed as center and gone against Yao, Shaq, and the other bigs.

He's good, but SA protected him too much by always having a bigger dude playing with timmay.
There was better competition at the PF spot though. :confusedshrug:

There was only Shaq, old Mutombo, young Yao, mediocre Brad Miller and an above average player like Divac.

[swi7ch]

There was better competition at the PF spot though. :confusedshrug:

There was only Shaq, old Mutombo, young Yao, mediocre Brad Miller and an above average player like Divac.

Your av! :roll:

[SCdac]

Duncan definitely deserves appreciation. He may not have had the most enigmatic personality, but his game was both fundamental sound and powerful.

Statistically I wouldn't say he was a boring player. He's had about thirty 20-20 games and more than a handful of triple doubles scattered through out. Owns the record for most blocks in a Finals series (32 in 2003), and career wise in the category he's top-4 in the postseason/top-9 in the regular season. Third best player ever in regular season Defensive-rating. Seventh all-time scorer in the playoffs.

If there's anything ISH doesn't appreciate about him (imo), it's his scoring abilities, in terms of volume, percentage of the team's points, and as a go-to guy/franchise player. He's had about a hundred 30+ point games, and had some high-scoring series for a generally low scoring team. In his first Finals performance (1999), he averaged 27.4 PPG -- a third of the Spurs 84.8 points. He has range to 17-18 feet out and has hit multiple game winning shots/layups. Could also take players off the dribble in the high post, and in his prime was a perennial league leader in dunks. Sometimes it seems, because he didn't shoot three's or scream after every shot, he wasn't really a great scorer :facepalm

Not a terrible free throw shooter either. He averaged .80 FT% in his first MVP year, then .82% in the playoffs. In the 2005 championship run, he had FT shooting games of 10-11 (twice), 13-14, 14-17 (twice), and 15-15 against the Suns. Made his presence known and got to the line about as well as any HOF player. Only 7 players have made more total FT's in the playoffs than Duncan: Jordan, Kareem, Magic, West, Malone, Kobe and Shaq...

I wish more of his games were available. like this one against the Jazz.

http://o.seattlepi.com/basketball/nba114.shtml

Duncan drops 46 on Jazz

Tuesday, January 11, 2000

POST-INTELLIGENCER NEWS SERVICES

SAN ANTONIO -- With Spurs fans chanting, "MVP, MVP," Tim Duncan played the part.

Duncan scored a career-high 46 points last night to lead the San Antonio Spurs to a 93-86 victory over the Utah Jazz, and back into first place in the NBA's Midwest Division.

"It felt good," said Duncan, who outscored Utah 19-18 in the fourth quarter. "It felt better to get the victory. After giving the effort we gave, it would have been bad to get a loss. It was a huge win. We needed it bad. We've played well two games in a row and now with this third game we keep rolling."

The Spurs, who now lead the Jazz by a half game, had only two players in double figures as Terry Porter added 16 points.

Duncan, who also pulled down 14 rebounds, was 16 of 28 from the floor and 14 of 16 at the free throw line as he topped his previous career-high of 42 points.

Duncan scored 49.5 percent of his team's points, the highest percentage in the NBA this season.

"He shot the ball every time he touched it," San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich said. "He's a special player and he had it rolling. We got the ball in his hands and kept going to him because he was having a great night."

Karl Malone scored 23 points to lead Utah and Howard Eisley added 16.

"We couldn't do anything with Duncan tonight," Utah coach Jerry Sloan said. "He is a tremendous player and an obvious MVP candidate. He scored on almost every possession in the final quarter down the stretch."

[Derka]

If he's not #1 on some peoples All-Time Power Forward lists, he better be a very very close #2 or else criminal actions are taking place.

Not bad for a guy who only got into playing basketball in high school.

[ThaRegul8r]

Karl Malone is all time great and more likely he would be in top 10 if they haven't face with Bulls.

He faced the Bulls twice. He played 19 seasons in the league. What happened the other 17 years?

:confusedshrug:

And it wouldn't have mattered who they faced if he didn't step up. If he'd played better, he could have won a title even with facing the Bulls:

NBA 1996-97 Most Valuable Player Karl Malone in the 1997 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls
23.8 ppg on 44.3% FG, 60.3% FT and 48.5% TS

Karl Malone in Utah's four losses
20.8 ppg on 40.5% FG, 54.8% FT and 44.9% TS

Karl Malone in Utah's two wins
30 ppg on 50% FG, 75% FT and 54.5% TS

Hmm. NBA MVP plays badly, Jazz lose. NBA MVP plays well, Jazz win. I detect a pattern. Maybe if he'd actually played like an MVP, the Jazz would have a title. But people would rather be apologists and gloss over Malone's shortcomings.

And of course never mention the fact that it was John Stockton, not MVP Malone, who put the Jazz in the Finals in the first place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDi0Ce_Z5w

Stockton had a team-high 25 points on 70.9% TS and hit the game-winning three-pointer to give Utah a 103-100 win and send them to the NBA Finals. Malone? 24 points on 24 shots and 46.6% TS.

NBA 1996-97 Most Valuable Player Karl Malone in the 1997 Western Conference Finals against the Houston Rockets
23.5 ppg on 44.8% FG, 70% FT, 49.4% TS

Malone's points per game and field-goal percentage are virtually identical to what he put up against Chicago, and his TS% is 0.9% better. So much for the Bulls excuse. The only thing different from the WCF to the Finals was the fact that he shot free throws worse.

What'd Stockton do?

John Stockton in the 1997 Western Conference Finals against the Houston Rockets
20.5 ppg on 53.8% FG, 93.9% FT, 65.1% TS, and 10.3 assists

Fortunately, he had Stockton to pick up the slack to get them into the Finals, where MVP Malone didn't do any better than he did in the WCF.

NBA 1996-97 Most Valuable Player Karl Malone in the 1997 Western Conference Semifinals against the Los Angeles Lakers
28.6 ppg on 38.3% FG, 82.1% FT, 49.5% TS

True shooting percentage around the same as it was in the WCF and Finals. Putrid shooting for a guy who's a scorer. (Second-most prolific scorer in NBA history.)

Top ten player?

Please.

:facepalm

Back to the Duncan appreciation.

[ThaRegul8r]

The greatest power forward of all-time and by the end of his career, he might go down as the greatest big man to have ever play the game.

Duncan's my favorite active player, but he isn't the greatest big man ever to play the game.


Maybe it's because he's near the end of his career but I'm actually starting to reevaluate his spot on my Top 10 list. I'm thinking of discrediting what Wilt and Russell did in their eras and just put Shaq and Duncan above them because the game has gotten so much better since the 80's.

And this is exactly what I was talking about a couple days ago when I was talking about the modern basketball fan. Why is it necessary to "discredit" anyone's accomplishments? Duncan's accomplishments can't stand on their own? This is ridiculous. Appreciating one's players accomplishments =/= discrediting another player's accomplishments.

:facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

GOAT :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: MY FAVORITE PLAYER OF ALL TIME AFTER BARKLEY

[All Net]

Greatest power forward to win the game... Scary to defend In his prime.

[Toizumi]

Duncan is the greatest Power Forward ever and besides (or along with) Scottie Pippen, the best defensive player never to win DPOY. He could anchor a team on defense and lead them on offense as well.
He

[Big#50]

Best big since KAJ. Top 3 player of all time.

[Artillery]

Karl Malone is all time great and more likely he would be in top 10 if they haven't face with Bulls.

He was considered GOAT PF before Duncan.

Malone is the David Robinson of PFs. Great reg season numbers(FG% at .516) but underperformed in the playoffs(FG% dropped to .463)

[DMV2]

Tim Duncan Unappreciated for the Spurs-Jazz series.

[Alamo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYeRtPYvZ2M

Amazing Tim Duncan tribute. Almost brought me to tears :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DTreats]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYeRtPYvZ2M

Amazing Tim Duncan tribute. Almost brought me to tears :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
That was almost as entertaining as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd9CxIlkjpk

[SCdac]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/lebron-james-tim-duncan-web-7-9-10.jpg

[abuC]

He's the best Forward of all-time, not just the best PF.

[TMT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYeRtPYvZ2M

Amazing Tim Duncan tribute. Almost brought me to tears :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Great video. Got goosebumps at several points during. It's really going to be sad to see our legend go. We love you Timmy. :cheers:


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/lebron-james-tim-duncan-web-7-9-10.jpg

:pimp:

[Shade8780]

Damn! How do people find his game boring?! I love watching him play. Especially prime Duncan. Greatest PF of all time and one of my favourite players ever :pimp:

[DMV2]

Damn! How do people find his game boring?! I love watching him play. Especially prime Duncan. Greatest PF of all time and one of my favourite players ever :pimp:
Hook shots, running hooks, fadeaways, bank shots, turnaround jumpers, crooked body jumpers(the one where he did over Shaq before the Fisher 0.4 shot), etc.

Timmy has a lot of arsenal shots, not sure why people don't like his offense or consider it boring.

[Miserio]

he has kept the spurs relevant all these years
take him away & spurs are a lottery team
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
:rockon: :rockon:
:cheers: :cheers:
I agree with this. He's like a new version of Bill Russell, his presence and winning mentality is what keeps the team with this winning culture and no matter the changes, they're always a winning team.

[Miserio]

Hook shots, running hooks, fadeaways, bank shots, turnaround jumpers, crooked body jumpers(the one where he did over Shaq before the Fisher 0.4 shot), etc.

Timmy has a lot of arsenal shots, not sure why people don't like his offense or consider it boring.
He doesn't pump his chest and trash talk

[Round Mound]

Karl Malone is all time great and more likely he would be in top 10 if they haven't face with Bulls.

He was considered GOAT PF before Duncan.

Malone GOAT PF? Cause of Longevitiy? :rolleyes: pfffff Only by Kiddos that saw the NBA 1996 on. Before it was Sir Charles by most Real NBA Fans :applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

[QUOTE=DMV2]Just because he doesn't get enough love from non-Spurs fans.
http://px9.funformobile.com/d/169/61/1fjdcjav7c/timwinner.gif

http://gifsoup.com/view/128931/tim-duncan-3-o.gif

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[Yung D-Will]

Duncan
Barkley
Malone
Garnett

[DMV2]

http://assets.sbnation.vid.io/d2edfe281a69b0406ba895305b1d7264.mp4

^^^ somebody should turn that into a GIF.

[JustinJDW]

Mad respect to Timmy. Playing like he's 30 years old again right now. Trying to get one more ring before calling it a day. Gonna be sad when he hangs up the jersey, but what a hell of a career. :rockon:

[SCdac]

Tim Duncan was sick!!!

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Alamo]

Mad respect to Timmy. Playing like he's 30 years old again right now. Trying to get one more ring before calling it a day. Gonna be sad when he hangs up the jersey, but what a hell of a career. :rockon:


I've never been brought to tears by anything sports related, but that might be the day. I grew up watching him play. As a kid, all of my friends would talk about Kobe, Iverson, T-mac, but I would always be more fascinated with Timmy's Game. I'm so glad that I got to witness one of the greatest players of all time. He's a living legend. :bowdown:

[DMAVS41]

Tim Duncan was sick!!!

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

It's just amazing how good Duncan still is. He looked done last year in the playoffs...and now he's back playing at close to an all nba level. 36 years old.

If the Spurs win this year and Duncan puts up like 17/10/3 and continues to play such great defense....I don't know where I would rank him all time.

I already have him at 6, but he's just so damn good. Love Duncan...what a beast.

[Alamo]

It's just amazing how good Duncan still is. He looked done last year in the playoffs...and now he's back playing at close to an all nba level. 36 years old.

If the Spurs win this year and Duncan puts up like 17/10/3 and continues to play such great defense....I don't know where I would rank him all time.

I already have him at 6, but he's just so damn good. Love Duncan...what a beast.

Idk about this. Tim Duncan is my favorite player of all time and even I have him at 6. I don't think he can ever pass Magic, Wlit, MJ or Kareem. If he can win 4 more rings, he jumps Russell though :lol

[DMAVS41]

Idk about this. Tim Duncan is my favorite player of all time and even I have him at 6. I don't think he can ever pass Magic, Wlit, MJ or Kareem. If he can win 4 more rings, he jumps Russell though :lol

Well. I have:

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Duncan

I'm not saying I'd move him up....I'm just saying him doing this at age 36..playing this well and winning the title would be greatly impressive.

[thelucifer69]

http://s14.postimage.org/wfmxlg501/TD_AJ_dunk.gif

[BlueandGold]

Duncan is great.. but he's essentially a C playing the PF position. I've heard many analysts say the exact same thing 2007 or before.

[BlueandGold]

Well. I have:

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Duncan

I'm not saying I'd move him up....I'm just saying him doing this at age 36..playing this well and winning the title would be greatly impressive.
Bird? :facepalm

Bird has still done much more than Duncan, and I"d even say Kobe deserves a spot before Duncan as well, especially since the Spurs never repeated and also semi-surprised people as a 'dark horse" team.

[DMAVS41]

Duncan is great.. but he's essentially a C playing the PF position. I've heard many analysts say the exact same thing 2007 or before.

How is that a negative though? What does it matter if he's a C or PF?

[BlueandGold]

How is that a negative though? What does it matter if he's a C or PF?
It doesn't as far as his all-time rankings go but look at all the other PFs that are on the list.. they are real PFs, McHale, Garnett, Barkley (6'5 without shoes), Petitt. Since Duncan is much taller with a greater wingspan than those guys it gave him certain advantages when playing head to head against other PFs, the majority of whom never broke 6'10.

[DMAVS41]

Bird? :facepalm

Bird has still done much more than Duncan, and I"d even say Kobe deserves a spot before Duncan as well, especially since the Spurs never repeated and also semi-surprised people as a 'dark horse" team.

Nah. Definitely not Kobe. I have Duncan clearly ahead of Kobe. Bird? Maybe.

The rest of my top ten looks like this:

7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

See. I just think Duncan is even under-rated by his fans. He was a 24/13/4 guy in the playoffs for a decade. While playing some of the best defense ever....while winning 4 titles...each without an all nba teammate. The highest win percentage of the modern era.

He has the longest 50 game or more seasons in a row in NBA history. He's done more with less than just about anyone in NBA history.

I didn't see Wilt...and I didn't see some of Kareem in his prime.

The only two players that I got to see their entire careers of that I think were definitely better than Duncan were MJ and Magic.

He's been that good.

[DMAVS41]

It doesn't as far as his all-time rankings go but look at all the other PFs that are on the list.. they are real PFs, McHale, Garnett, Barkley (6'5 without shoes), Petitt. Since Duncan is much taller with a greater wingspan than those guys it gave him certain advantages when playing head to head against other PFs, the majority of whom never broke 6'10.

But he could do that because of his versatility. Duncan could have played PF or C. Not like Barkley could have played Center. Just another reason why Duncan is so great.

[Alamo]

A lot of people have Duncan ahead of Bird.

[rodman91]

It doesn't as far as his all-time rankings go but look at all the other PFs that are on the list.. they are real PFs, McHale, Garnett, Barkley (6'5 without shoes), Petitt. Since Duncan is much taller with a greater wingspan than those guys it gave him certain advantages when playing head to head against other PFs, the majority of whom never broke 6'10.

Duncan is taller than Garnett or Dirk? :no:

Magic Johnson is considered as PG and he was 6'9 for god sake. (+6'7 without shoes) Height or being combo doesn't change it.

[BlueandGold]

A lot of people have Duncan ahead of Bird.
I don't primarily because of Bird's killer instinct on that team and the absolute incredible way he totally changed that team around in the 80s. This is not even considering his cultural impact as many people around the league and otherwise believe the Bird/Magic combination saved basketball. (Watch Bird/Magic: A rivalry, on HBO)

Anyways as far as Duncan/Bird goes I will say the all-time rankings are debatable. But as i stated I have Bird slightly over Duncan for the reasons listed, and also other reasons I won't get into right now (Lakers 2nd half is about to start).

[thelucifer69]

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg569/luxife69/TD_AJ.gif

[rodman91]

But he could do that because of his versatility. Duncan could have played PF or C. Not like Barkley could have played Center. Just another reason why Duncan is so great.

Barkley was playing SF as well. Dirk is same. But both of them considered as PF just like Duncan should.

[DonDadda59]

Time will be very kind to Tim's legacy ala Hakeem. The general consensus during the 90s was that Malone was the second best player in the league but now most people rank Dream as the second best and there's a sizable contingent who consider him as the best (not necessarily greatest) C to ever play the game. No one was saying all that about him when he was playing.

Same thing will happen to Duncan. Once he retires and his career can be looked at as a whole, he'll get the recognition and respect that he might not necessarily get right now.

[DMAVS41]

I don't primarily because of Bird's killer instinct on that team and the absolute incredible way he totally changed that team around in the 80s. This is not even considering his cultural impact as many people around the league and otherwise believe the Bird/Magic combination saved basketball. (Watch Bird/Magic: A rivalry, on HBO)

Anyways as far as Duncan/Bird goes I will say the all-time rankings are debatable. But as i stated I have Bird slightly over Duncan for the reasons listed, and also other reasons I won't get into right now (Lakers 2nd half is about to start).

Cultural impact should have no place in ranking how good of a basketball player somebody was. What an insane notion.

[Round Mound]

But he could do that because of his versatility. Duncan could have played PF or C. Not like Barkley could have played Center. Just another reason why Duncan is so great.

Barkley did play center in college and sometimes with the Suns

Remember Barkley could also play some SF (Duncan no way) for 2 seasons.

Barkley would definetly destroy Duncan 1 on 1 thats a fact

[thelucifer69]

Barkley did play center in college and sometimes with the Suns

Remember Barkley could also play some SF (Duncan no way) for 2 seasons.

Barkley would definetly destroy Duncan 1 on 1 thats a fact

What? It's hard to believe 6'6" guy could beat 7' one on one. I mean he just post up and dunk. :confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

Barkley did play center in college and sometimes with the Suns

Remember Barkley could also play some SF (Duncan no way) for 2 seasons.

Barkley would definetly destroy Duncan 1 on 1 thats a fact

All I said is that Barkley couldn't really play center. Which he couldn't...I was responding to the poster making it out like it makes a difference what position these guys played.

Its about their impact.

And Duncan was better than Barkley overall....but yes, Duncan would get torched if he had to guard Barkley prime vs prime. Just like pretty much every player ever.

[JustinJDW]

Duncan is great.. but he's essentially a C playing the PF position. I've heard many analysts say the exact same thing 2007 or before.Tim Duncan has played PF for the majority of his career. He didn't start playing Center until about 07-08, when he became significantly less agile and the rest of the Spurs team started to become smaller, quicker and more athletic. Anyone that tells you that Timmy has played at Center his whole career doesn't know what they're talking about.

But this reminded me of something. About two months ago I watching a Spurs-Jazz game on Jazz network, and about three commentators were arguing with Matt Harpring who I believe was the guest color commentator, about Karl Malone being the best PF of all time. Harpring said that he loves the Jazz organization and history and will continue to do so until the day he dies, but Timmy is the best PF, and its not even close. Four Championships and great stats beat just amazing stats every time. The other commentators argued back saying that he's really a Center, and Harpring said the same thing I said. That he just started playing Center the last couple years. Timmy's been in the league 15 years and he played PF for at least 11 of them. He played PF in his prime, he won his Championships as a PF, Timmy is the best PF of all time.

So one of the arguing commentators started getting upset and then began blatantly lying, saying that Tim Duncan actually started playing Center when he entered the league, and that David Robinson actually moved to PF. So that makes Karl Malone the best PF ever.

Matt Harpring literally went...:biggums:

There was a long pause and Harping began saying to just agree to disagree, and they went to commercial. But I was laughing pretty hard at my t.v screen. Those Jazz commentators were crazy. If you think Timmy is a Center thats one thing, but to think D-Rob went to PF? What? The man was 7'1" and never recorded a second at the 4-spot in his life. But whatever, this post went on way too long. My point is that Timmy has played PF for the vast majority of his career, and is indeed the greatest PF ever. Not that this can even be disputed. You are who you're listed under. Play-style means nothing. If you're listed under a position, then you're that position. Matt Bonner doesn't have the aspect of a PF or C at all. He doesn't rebound, doesn't protect the glass, can't post-up, definitely can't defend the post-up, literally none of his game is in the paint. None of his game reference to anything under a big man at all. But guess what, he's 6'10" and listed as a PF, so that's what he is. Doesn't matter what I think.

I think Clay Matthews plays more like a Defensive End than a Outside Linebacker, even though the positions are basically one in the same, similar to PF and C. He's rushing the QB on nearly every play. But he's listed as an Outside Linebacker, so that's what he is. I don't know why people argue about this like its even debatable.

[gengiskhan]

Time will be very kind to Tim's legacy ala Hakeem. The general consensus during the 90s was that Malone was the second best player in the league but now most people rank Dream as the second best and there's a sizable contingent who consider him as the best (not necessarily greatest) C to ever play the game. No one was saying all that about him when he was playing.

Same thing will happen to Duncan. Once he retires and his career can be looked at as a whole, he'll get the recognition and respect that he might not necessarily get right now.

In 1994, Hakeem had the greatest season ever in NBA history by any GOAT player ever. Season MVP + FMVP + DPOY all in one yr. Duncan never did.

Hakeem won Back-2-back DPOY titles. Duncan never did.

Hakeem beat HOF marquee match up centers for FMVP in Ewing in 1994, Shaq in 1995. DUNCAN never had Marquee match in NBA Finals.

Hakeem is rightfully rated in Top 8 GOATs above Shaq & Duncan & rightly so!

Some ISH retards need to get their head out of their ar$es & smell the reality at some point.

DUNCAN is where he is below Hakeem & Shaq in all time Top 10 List. :coleman:

[Round Mound]

All I said is that Barkley couldn't really play center. Which he couldn't...I was responding to the poster making it out like it makes a difference what position these guys played.

Its about their impact.

And Duncan was better than Barkley overall....but yes, Duncan would get torched if he had to guard Barkley prime vs prime. Just like pretty much every player ever.

But he could play some SF...Duncan couldn`t

Was Duncan a Better Scorer than Barkley? no
Was Duncan a Better Rebounder than Barkley? no
Was Duncan a Better Creator or Passer than Barkley? no
Was Duncan a Better Floor Defender and Stealer? no
Was Duncan as Clutch Scorer than Barkley? no
Was Duncan a Better Post Player? no
Was Duncan a Better FT Shooter? no
Was Duncan a Better Mid Range SHooter? no
Was Duncan Better at Attacking the Rim? no
etc

Barkley was a Better Overall Player than Duncan

[DMAVS41]

But he could play some SF...Duncan couldn`t

Was Duncan a Better Scorer than Barkley? no
Was Duncan a Better Rebounder than Barkley? no
Was Duncan a Better Creator or Passer than Barkley? no
Was Duncan a Better Floor Defender and Stealer? no
Was Duncan as Clutch Scorer than Barkley? no
Was Duncan a Better Post Player? no
Was Duncan a Better FT Shooter? no
Was Duncan a Better Mid Range SHooter? no
Was Duncan Better at Attacking the Rim? no
etc

Barkley was a Better Overall Player than Duncan

Did I say Duncan could play SF? No...not even relevant.

And no, Duncan was clearly better. Not debating it in this thread and won't respond to you about Barkley.

Agree to disagree. I watched both of their entire careers and nothing could ever convince me that Barkley was better than Duncan.

[k0kakw0rld]

G.o.a.t

[gengiskhan]

Bird? :facepalm

Bird has still done much more than Duncan, and I"d even say Kobe deserves a spot before Duncan as well, especially since the Spurs never repeated and also semi-surprised people as a 'dark horse" team.

here we go again.

Duncan has NCAA legacy. Kobe doesn't
Duncan 2 x ACC College player of the year. Kobe bench warmer
Duncan NBA Rookie of the year. Kobe bench warmer
Duncan 3 FMVPs. Kobe 2
Duncan 2 MVPs. Kobe 1
Duncan 1 x MVP Sweep. Kobe 0

Duncan is clearly over Kobe. Its not even an argument.

[k0kakw0rld]

here we go again.

Duncan has NCAA legacy. Kobe doesn't
Duncan 2 x ACC College player of the year. Kobe bench warmer
Duncan NBA Rookie of the year. Kobe bench warmer
Duncan 3 FMVPs. Kobe 2
Duncan 2 MVPs. Kobe 1
Duncan 1 x MVP Sweep. Kobe 0

Duncan is clearly over Kobe. Its not even an argument.
this.:applause:

[SCdac]

Tim Duncan being solely a center is a tired "debate" (there's really not even a debate) that has largely grown from detractors on online forums like this...

People don't even know what a POWER forward is anymore, and they think having a post game automatically makes a big man a center. Guess they weren't watching Kevin McHale, Karl Malone, Shawn Kemp, Elton Brand, and so many others who game in and game out worked out of the low-post.

Tim Duncan is a power forward, everyone from famous players to coaches have stated it... Hell, Barkley himself has said it.

Either way, this thread is going down hill fast.

Got to appreciate Duncan :bowdown:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/51920867.jpg

[JustinJDW]

Barkley would definetly destroy Duncan 1 on 1 thats a factWhat are you talking about? They both would just score on each other endlessley. Barkley would just blow by him or hit jumpshots if he sags off, and Timmy would just post him up ever time and score, and then rebound everything.


But he could play some SF...Duncan couldn`t

Was Duncan a Better Scorer than Barkley? no
Highly debatable.
Was Duncan a Better Rebounder than Barkley? no
Highly debatable.
Was Duncan a Better Creator or Passer than Barkley? no
Extremely debatable with creator. And Barkley better have been the better passer, he's 6'6".
Was Duncan a Better Floor Defender and Stealer? no
Duncan was the better post-up defender and blocker.
Was Duncan as Clutch Scorer than Barkley? no
Yes he was.
Was Duncan a Better Post Player? no
Yes he was.
Was Duncan a Better FT Shooter? no
Duncan only shoots 4% less than Barkley and he's a big-man. This actually helps Duncan.
Was Duncan a Better Mid Range SHooter? no
Highly debatable
Was Duncan Better at Attacking the Rim? no
Only thing in your list Barkley is clearly better at, as he should have been.

Barkley was a Better Overall Player than Duncan
No he wasn't. He was more dynamic and created more match-up problems, but he was not the better player. He's admitted to that countless times.

[Big#50]

KG, Shaq, Robinson were easily taller than Tim. Duncan played center ever since he lost mobility. He was 6'11, he played both PF/C. Let's just appreciate his greatness, instead of arguing what position he played.

[chips93]

Tim Duncan being solely a center is a tired "debate" (there's really not even a debate) that has largely grown from detractors on online forums like this...

People don't even know what a POWER forward is anymore, and they think having a post game automatically makes a big man a center. Guess they weren't watching Kevin McHale, Karl Malone, Shawn Kemp, Elton Brand, and so many others who game in and game out worked out of the low-post.

Tim Duncan is a power forward, everyone from famous players to coaches have stated it... Hell, Barkley himself has said it.

Either way, this thread is going down hill fast.

Got to appreciate Duncan :bowdown:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/adrumaddict/51920867.jpg

a spurs beat writer asked pop before the game today, who would start at center, and pop replied, the same guy who has started there for the last 15 years, timmy.

so there you go

either way, its a non-issue, positions are arbitrary nowadays.

link (https://twitter.com/#!/jollyrogerwilco/status/196628836564213760)

[ShaqAttack3234]

I've always loved watching Duncan play, I've never understood why some consider him boring. He's really skilled, plays both ends extremely well, and he's as good of a team player as any superstar I've seen. Plus when he was younger it wasn't rare for him to dunk on guys.

Great to see him playing so well and adjusting to not being the man so flawlessly as his team remains a top contender, and he remains a huge reason they are so good.

I always appreciate the less flashy plays from him, but I loved seeing those dunks today, that was vintage Duncan.

[Round Mound]

Did I say Duncan could play SF? No...not even relevant.

And no, Duncan was clearly better. Not debating it in this thread and won't respond to you about Barkley.

Agree to disagree. I watched both of their entire careers and nothing could ever convince me that Barkley was better than Duncan.

I Don`t Need to Convince Anyone that Barkley was a Better Player than Duncan because he Was.

Duncan is Better at 1 or 2 Things than Barkley...Barkley is Better than Duncan at 10-15 More Things

[Round Mound]

What are you talking about? They both would just score on each other endlessley. Barkley would just blow by him or hit jumpshots if he sags off, and Timmy would just post him up ever time and score, and then rebound everything.

Barkley would Post Up Duncan Better than Duncan would Post Up Barkley. Barkley was Way Stronger than Duncan and Was a More Skilled Post Player

Barkley Scored 21.6 PPG on 58.13% Two-Point FG on Only 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG for his Whole Career. Duncan? around 50-51% at most.

Barkley would Outrebound Duncan Easily Too.

Barkley at ages 33-36 vs Duncan at ages 21-23.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=barklch01&p2=duncati01

Barkley had No Leap Left and had Lost Mobility and Still Outplayed Duncan. Had He Had Faced Duncan in his Early Days He Would Have Just Gone By Him 1 on 1 With Tremendous Facility...cause thats What he Did On Every Player from 1986 to 1996

[Big#50]

I Don`t Need to Convince Anyone that Barkley was a Better Player than Duncan because he Was.

Duncan is Better at 1 or 2 Things than barkley...Barkley is Better than Duncan at 10-15 More Things
Duncan is better at being a better player. LOL there is no debate. None.

[rmt]

Duncan is Better at 1 or 2 Things than barkley...Barkley is Better than Duncan at 10-15 More Things

That's like saying DRob was better than Shaq at 10-15 more things and Shaq was better at 1 or 2 more things than DRob. It's all about impact. Those 1 or 2 things - mainly defense - is what makes TD better.

[abuC]

Was Duncan a Better Floor Defender


:biggums:

[chips93]

Barkley Scored 21.6 PPG on 58.13% Two-Point FG on Only 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG for his Whole Career.

nobody cares about 2 pt FG%

[Round Mound]

Duncan Games Is Boring? Not for Me he is The 2nd Best CF I`ve Seen

[DMAVS41]

I Don`t Need to Convince Anyone that Barkley was a Better Player than Duncan because he Was.

Duncan is Better at 1 or 2 Things than Barkley...Barkley is Better than Duncan at 10-15 More Things

Barkley wasn't even on a higher tier than Dirk...let alone Duncan.

GTFO dude....you over-rate Barkley to extreme levels.

[Round Mound]

Barkley wasn't even on a higher tier than Dirk...let alone Duncan.

GTFO dude....you over-rate Barkley to extreme levels.

What was Dirk Better than Barkley other than Far Range Shooting, 3-Point Shooting and FT Shooting?

Dirk

Not as an Efficiency Scorer 54% and 51% FG at 22 and 23 PPG
Lower FG%
Lower eFG%
Lower TS%
Lower RPG Avg
Lower APG Avg
Lower SPG Avg
Wasn`t as Doubled as Barkley Was
Did Not Force Rule Changes


Suggest you Watch These Games by Barkley...Then Judge Who Was Better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTMFTQFvO_8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-oVrsJ_20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs-XO5h5bAg

Dirk was Never as Dominant as Barkley was and thats a Fact

[DMAVS41]

What was Dirk Better than Barkley other than Far Range Shooting, 3-Point Shooting and FT Shooting?

Dirk

Not as an Efficiency Scorer 54% and 51% FG at 22 and 23 PPG
Lower FG%
Lower eFG%
Lower TS%
Lower RPG Avg
Lower APG Avg
Lower SPG Avg
Wasn`t as Doubled as Barkley Was
Did Not Force Rule Changes


Suggest you Watch These Games by Barkley...Then Judge Who Was Better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTMFTQFvO_8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-oVrsJ_20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs-XO5h5bAg

Dirk was Never as Dominant as Barkley was and thats a Fact

Dirk was better at winning titles and finals mvps....and leading teams to 50 wins.

And more clutch. Better ft shooter. Better 3 point shooter.

Stuff like that....and Dirk was a better team defender as well....because he actually cared unlike Barkley.

Again. Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>

Dirk = Barkley

Deal with it.

[Round Mound]

Dirk was better at winning titles and finals mvps....and leading teams to 50 wins.

And more clutch. Better ft shooter. Better 3 point shooter.

Stuff like that....and Dirk was a better team defender as well....because he actually cared unlike Barkley.

Again. Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>

Dirk = Barkley

Deal with it.

U Prooved 3 Things Dirk has Better on Barkley...The Rest of the Skills Barkley was Better At than Dirk. They account for more.

Althoug Duncan was Better than Dirk Prime for Prime I would take Barkley with Ease Over Them. Barkley was and is the Cream Prime of All PFs.

[DMAVS41]

U Prooved 3 Things Dirk has Better on Barkley...The Rest of the Skills Barkley was Better At than Dirk. They account for more.

Althoug Duncan was Better than Dirk Prime for Prime I would take Barkley with Ease Over Them. Barkley was and is the Cream Prime of All PFs.

You can't break players down so simply for starters.

That fact that you think Barkley was "easily" better proves how biased you are.

Please. Done with you. Absurd.

[chips93]

dmavs you're a really good poster, but damn, you get trolled so bad, on a regular basis

why do you bother?

[Gotterdammerung]

Wanders in a Tim Duncan thread... :banana:

Finds only trolls trolling homers on unrelated topics...:biggums:

...walks right out. :facepalm

[vinsane01]

I dont even think people find duncan's game per se that is boring. Some just like looking at a player's reaction like it's some movie or stage play. Duncan almost never reacts after he scores or blocks shots. To determine intensity and passion within a player, some fans look at overt displays of emotion. Consequently watching these players probably adds additional entertainment for themselves...Some, meanwhile, legitimately finds his type of play boring.

[Nevaeh]

I dont even think people find duncan's game per se that is boring. Some just like looking at a player's reaction like it's some movie or stage play. Duncan almost never reacts after he scores or blocks shots. To determine intensity and passion within a player, some fans look at overt displays of emotion. Consequently watching these players probably adds additional entertainment for themselves...Some, meanwhile, legitimately finds his type of play boring.

Tim Duncan plays the POWER FOWARD and CENTER positions. What the f@ck do people expect him to be doing? 360 reverse jams from the FT line, and "Falling out of Bounds" 3-pointers, while pounding his chest?
:oldlol:

There's only so much you can do to make putting a ball in a hoop exciting. I guess that's where Tony P and Manu come into play, for people who like "excitement" for the entire game. Even athletic players like Lebron and Wade have "boring" moments on the court.

[PickernRoller]

You can't break players down so simply for starters.

That fact that you think Barkley was "easily" better proves how biased you are.

Please. Done with you. Absurd.

Lol at comparing Dirk to Barkley....Sir Charles is downright better...in his prime Dirk would be licking his shoes all day long :lol :lol .........talk about ignorance. Charles a very underrated PF because he never won a chip but that doesn't take away from his game at all for those who saw it....Prime Dirk vs. Prime Barkley before injuries? lol no contest...one on one or however you want to put it....

Barkley > Dirk....how about stop fapping at stats and watch some games. Maybe you'll learn a thing or two...

I mean, if you wanna argue Malone and Timmy with Barkley then sure we have a topic but Dirk?:facepalm

[Big#50]

Lol at comparing Dirk to Barkley....Sir Charles is downright better...in his prime Dirk would be licking his shoes all day long :lol :lol .........talk about ignorance. Charles a very underrated PF because he never won a chip but that doesn't take away from his game at all for those who saw it....Prime Dirk vs. Prime Barkley before injuries? lol no contest...one on one or however you want to put it....

Barkley > Dirk....how about stop fapping at stats and watch some games. Maybe you'll learn a thing or two...

I mean, if you wanna argue Malone and Timmy with Barkley then sure we have a topic but Dirk?:facepalm
Dirk is twice the playoffs performer Malone was. Dirk and Barkley are about equal to me.

[DMAVS41]

Lol at comparing Dirk to Barkley....Sir Charles is downright better...in his prime Dirk would be licking his shoes all day long :lol :lol .........talk about ignorance. Charles a very underrated PF because he never won a chip but that doesn't take away from his game at all for those who saw it....Prime Dirk vs. Prime Barkley before injuries? lol no contest...one on one or however you want to put it....

Barkley > Dirk....how about stop fapping at stats and watch some games. Maybe you'll learn a thing or two...

I mean, if you wanna argue Malone and Timmy with Barkley then sure we have a topic but Dirk?:facepalm

Barkley is not under-rated at all. He's a top 20 player ever and routinely finds himself in that 15 to 20 range....just like Dirk.

I watched his entire career...and Barkley did nothing to separate himself from Dirk overall. Nothing.

Oh...and the objective stats all back me up. Shocking how that works.

People need to stop acting like it's being a Dirk homer to say he's on the level of Barkley, Malone, and KG. Virtually everyone I've heard rank power forwards have those guys all on the same level...in fact, most have Dirk higher.

So is the basketball world made up of Dirk homers? Simmons, Pippen, Carlisle (according to a lot of people here....coaches know more)...hell, I heard a guy on a podcast a couple months ago say Dirk was clearly better than Dr. J. LOL

Dirk homer?

Come back to reality son....

And that comment wasn't just about Dirk. Round Mound claimed Barkley was easily better than Duncan as well. Which is beyond idiotic...

[DMV2]

I'll bump this again if or when Timmy gets #5

[SCdac]

I'll bump this again if or when Timmy gets #5

Hell you can bump this thread now... Duncan is playing very well for his age, win or lose.

Had back-to-back games with 3 blocks to close out the series and is arguably the Spurs best defensive player.

On another note, Duncan thoroughly owns Al Jefferson..... emphasized by this sweep.

Al Jeff vs. Tim Duncan record (2004 - Present):

1 win - 26 losses

That lone win came in 2007.

http://theunofficialreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Jazz-Spurs.jpg

[Alamo]

Tim Duncan passes Shaq, now 3rd all time in playoff blocks.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[solar.hands]

Tim Duncan passes Shaq, now 3rd all time in playoff blocks.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
needs 16 to lead all time

[Toizumi]

Nice bump.
I went through the thread and earlier in this thread I mentioned that the Spurs were overachieving considering their roster with Manu out. They were second in the west at the time and I didn't think they were in for a good run this year. Now Manu is back and they've added Jax, Mills, Diaw. I'm hoping they can go all the way. Duncan is their rock. One of the two best defender never to win DPOY (with Pip) and the greatest PF of all time. He should've been an all star this year.

[chips93]

http://gifsoup.com/view7/3698377/duncan-assist-o.gif

[Harison]

When you think about it, he would have been perfect duo with Stockton - both cyborg-like cold blooded elite players, with great longevity :applause: