Lin 1 Irving 0

[Patrick Chewing]

This is a thread for fans who unfortunately missed the game and didn't catch the final score.

The Final Score was:


Lin 1


Irving 0


God Bless

[Draz]

Amen.

[fsvr54]

There's more than 1 player on a team.

More like Knicks > Cavs.

Irving > Lin though.

[Magic731]

This is a thread for fans who unfortunately missed the game and didn't catch the final score.

The Final Score was:


Lin 1


Irving 0


God Bless
The Knicks clearly have a far more talented roster and were playing at home. This game means and proves nothing.

[mrpibb]

Lin took more shots than Amar'e? Is this normal?

[Bladers]

RBA on suicide watch. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Lin took more shots than Amar'e? Is this normal?


This is an off year for Amare. Injuries, no training camp, death of his brother, weird looking beard...you name it.

[jjayfive]

Irving is a star in the making.. Lin is nice though

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA on suicide watch. :oldlol:
Why haven't you gotten back to me on the bootleg NBA League Pass website that you set up which involves you streaming NBA League Pass for $7 per viewer? I'm serious.

That is a great deal.

[mrpibb]

This is an off year for Amare. Injuries, no training camp, death of his brother, weird looking beard...you name it.

Oh, I think it's a good thing for the Knicks that Lin is taking more shots than he, but I didn't think it would actually happen. Was it just this game or has this mostly been the case since Lin began starting games?

[FKAri]

Oh, I think it's a good thing for the Knicks that Lin is taking more shots than he, but I didn't think it would actually happen. Was it just this game or has this mostly been the case since Lin began starting games?

While people were concerned about Lin's turnovers, no one was talking about the amount of times Amare's shots were getting blocked PER GAME.

Hes playing below expectations in every aspect of his game. He's getting better every game tho. Hes shown signs.

[Patrick Chewing]

Oh, I think it's a good thing for the Knicks that Lin is taking more shots than he, but I didn't think it would actually happen. Was it just this game or has this mostly been the case since Lin began starting games?

The Linsanity train hasn't hit your town it seems. Lin was setting scoring records during his first five games cause no one else could score points. He has shot less, but from time to time when he sees a stagnant offensive set, he'll just take it upon himself to create an opportunity.

The ideal line for him though should be around 17pts and 10 assists a night and he came through with that today.

[mrpibb]

Amar'e was seeing his brother when the Jazz played you guys. So yeah, I haven't seen it.

But you haven't answered my question. I'm not asking whether Lin's been more effective than Amar'e. I know Lin's been their best player for like the last couple of weeks, but I didn't think he would have more shots than Amar'e or Carmelo. Carmelo shot more than Lin, but Amar'e had 11 shots to Lin's 12.

Is this normal?

[Patrick Chewing]

Amar'e was seeing his brother when the Jazz played you guys. So yeah, I haven't seen it.

But you haven't answered my question. I'm not asking whether Lin's been more effective than Amar'e. I know Lin's been their best player for like the last couple of weeks, but I didn't think he would have more shots than Amar'e or Carmelo. Carmelo shot more than Lin, but Amar'e had 11 shots to Lin's 12.

Is this normal?

Been like this for the last 11-12 games....so yes.

[TheBigVeto]

Just remember folks, Amare - Nash = Trash.

[strifed169]

Amar'e was seeing his brother when the Jazz played you guys. So yeah, I haven't seen it.

But you haven't answered my question. I'm not asking whether Lin's been more effective than Amar'e. I know Lin's been their best player for like the last couple of weeks, but I didn't think he would have more shots than Amar'e or Carmelo. Carmelo shot more than Lin, but Amar'e had 11 shots to Lin's 12.

Is this normal?

Amare has been reduced to an inconsistent jumper shooter, so his shots and touches have been toned down and been either given to Lin or spread out through their deep ass roster, plain and simply dude has been playing like complete crap and is starting to become a liability on both ends of hte court.

[mrpibb]

Just remember folks, Amare - Nash = Trash.

This is a load of crap. He was ballin' with the Knicks just last year.

[SacJB Shady]

LINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All i got to say, is does Kyrie irving LIN a lot? :bowdown: Is he a LINsane icon like Linsanity?

[WockaVodka]

Just remember folks, Amare - Nash = Trash.
Amare was an MVP candidate last season before the Melo trade was made, so you are wrong on that.

Amare is playing bad this season though but for unknown reasons. He was playing bad before his brothers death so that really isn't a valid excuse here.

[SacJB Shady]

Amare was an MVP candidate last season before the Melo trade was made, so you are wrong on that.

Amare is playing bad this season though but for unknown reasons. He was playing bad before his brothers death so that really isn't a valid excuse here.


i concur

[DukeDelonte13]

:applause: Congrats on beating the Cavs without Andy V on the second night of a back to back :applause:

[Teanett]

Amare was an MVP candidate last season before the Melo trade was made, so you are wrong on that.

Amare is playing bad this season though but for unknown reasons. He was playing bad before his brothers death so that really isn't a valid excuse here.

he was getting better.
he had 34/11 vs bulls (i know *boozer*...)

[bagelred]

:applause: Congrats on beating the Cavs without Andy V on the second night of a back to back :applause:

:cheers: Thanks, means alot........

[redhonda76]

To be fair, just look at the Cavs roster and compare that to the Knicks.

[Patrick Chewing]

:applause: Congrats on beating the Cavs without Andy V on the second night of a back to back :applause:


LOL who??

[Droid101]

This is a load of crap. He was ballin' with the Knicks just last year.
He was shooting like, 5% less than when he played with Nash. This season it's even worse.

Evidence doesn't support your case.

[RedBlackAttack]

LOL who??
You know...

The guy who put up 10 points, 16 rebounds, 4 steals 3 assists and 2 blocks in the Cavs' win over the Knicks earlier this season.

Selective memory loss? PTSD?

[RRR3]

He was shooting like, 5% less than when he played with Nash. This season it's even worse.

Evidence doesn't support your case.
He was averaging what 26 PPG on 51% shooting last year? Yeah, he NEEDS Nash :rolleyes:

[Droid101]

He was averaging what 26 PPG on 51% shooting last year? Yeah, he NEEDS Nash :rolleyes:
25 points on 50% shooting, nice try.

With Nash he had a season of 25 points on 59% shooting! And other seasons of 20+ points on 58% shooting, 54% shooting, and 56% shooting.

It's clear that he's much better with Nash.

[RRR3]

25 points on 50% shooting, nice try.

With Nash he had a season of 25 points on 59% shooting! And other seasons of 20+ points on 58% shooting, 54% shooting, and 56% shooting.

It's clear that he's much better with Nash.
Nash got him easy dunks, etc., yes, but he proved he's still capable of playing like a superstar w/o Nash (he was a superstar last year GTFO).

[Bigsmoke]

Mario Chalmers: 2

Lin: 0

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=chalmma01&p2=linje01

[DMV2]

Mario Chalmers 1

Lin 0
Chalmers 1 ECF series

Rose 0 ECF series

:confusedshrug:

[Bigsmoke]

Chalmers 1 ECF series

Rose 0 ECF series

:confusedshrug:

u figured it out.

congratulations.

[Nash]

Attention Lin fans. Please stop making retarded threads which will only end up making people hate Lin. He's still likable and I'd love to see it continue.

[chips93]

Attention Lin fans. Please stop making retarded threads which will only end up making people hate Lin. He's still likable and I'd love to see it continue.

this

[ClutchOver9000]

Attention Lin fans. Please stop making retarded threads which will only end up making people hate Lin. He's still likable and I'd love to see it continue.

although i agree, if you were really a fan of Lin, then you wouldn't let "stans" affect your view on the actual player...

i swear some ppl are sheep. Hating a player not because of the player but his following.

[RedBlackAttack]

although i agree, if you were really a fan of Lin, then you wouldn't let "stans" affect your view on the actual player...

i swear some ppl are sheep. Hating a player not because of the player but his following.
It really has little to do with 'hating' the actual player and more to do with hoping he fails so that his fans will shut the f#ck up. It is a perfectly natural reaction.

[ClutchOver9000]

It really has little to do with 'hating' the actual player and more to do with hoping he fails so that his fans will shut the f#ck up. It is a perfectly natural reaction.

like I said...if the following of a player you "like" or are a fan of makes you wish to see that player fail, regardless of your justification of it, then you werent really a fan of the player then, were you?

"Natural reaction" or not it is what it is.

[lbj23clutch]

Irving: 19 years old.

Lin: 23 years old

And don't give me the BS the 'Lin is a rookie too', Lin has had much more experience playing for the Warriors, playing for the D- League and playing 4 years of college. Irving barely played 10 games in college.

And of course the Knicks are gunna win just compare the teams:

Cavs lineup: Erden, Jamison, Casspi, Parker, Irving

Knicks Lineup: Chandler, Amare, Melo, Fields, Lin. Not to mention JR Smith, Baron, and Novak off the bench.

The lineup says it all. Lin has 2 other all stars and one of the best centers in the league to draw attention off him. On the other hand Irving has....:oldlol: ? *crickets *crickets.

Btw Irving is better then Lin in all aspects of the game except passing(debatable). Irving has the potential to be a superstar point guard while Lin is a good player, maybe he'll make a few all star teams but his potential is nowhere near Irving's. It's obvious to anyone who has watched both players.

These Lin stans are getting as bad as the Kobe and LeBron stans. :rolleyes:

[GOBB]

How exactly did Lin win this matchup again? You dudes are funny. Who needs the comedy channel.

[ClutchOver9000]

one of the best centers in the league to draw attention off him.

lol...Chandler is great and all, defensive-oriented game changer at the center position but lets not exaggerate. If he is one of the best centers in the league, its because this era lacks quality big-men.

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure it was popular opinion among this very board that he was in fact "Magikarp"??? :confusedshrug:

lol...the discrediting of Lin continues...

Sure, Irving looks more promising considering he's unbelievably only 19 years old (I also think he will be a superstar PG in the mold of a CP3) but lets stop the discrediting...

its ridiculous

before Lin came onto the scene, that same team you just praised for having 2 all-stars and one of the best centers in the game was far below .500 and losing to also struggling teams.

And about 5 of the wins with the kid handling the rock happened w/ both of those all-stars out.

[Bigsmoke]

These Lin stans are getting as bad as the Kobe and LeBron stans. :rolleyes:

cool user-name bro

[lbj23clutch]

cool user-name bro
LeBron's my current favorite player in the league bro, but by no means am I a LeBron stan. I keep it real and criticize him when he plays bad, I don't cover up for him everytime someone hates on him and pull BS out of my ass.

A fan and a stan, two different things buddy. Truth.

[Patrick Chewing]

You know...

The guy who put up 10 points, 16 rebounds, 4 steals 3 assists and 2 blocks in the Cavs' win over the Knicks earlier this season.




All career highs apparently.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/103739_o.gif

[ClutchOver9000]

LeBron's my current favorite player in the league bro, but by no means am I a LeBron stan. I keep it real and criticize him when he plays bad, I don't cover up for him everytime someone hates on him and pull BS out of my ass.

A fan and a stan, two different things buddy. Truth.

hmm....

LBJ = Clutch???

:wtf:

your username is a paradox

[Patrick Chewing]

Attention Lin fans. Please stop making retarded threads which will only end up making people hate Lin. He's still likable and I'd love to see it continue.

I think this was a clever thread with a clever title and clever execution. There was a lot of Irving threads with Irving fans just shitting on Lin. Yesterday's outcome was a different story.

Lin is still the Dragon Emperor

[lbj23clutch]

hmm....

LBJ = Clutch???

:wtf:

your username is a paradox
:oldlol:

I agree with you, but check out my account date. 2009. Today this username may seem laughable, but there was a time when LeBron was considered a clutch player during his Cavs days. Sadly since the 2010 Celtics series he has been awful in the clutch. I would have never used this account name if I made this account today. :lol

[RedBlackAttack]

Wade dunked on Varejao during a regular season game in 2010.... obviously must mean he stinks. As for career highs.... lol. He has had 20/20 games this season dummy.

[ClutchOver9000]

:oldlol:

I agree with you, but check out my account date. 2009. Today this username may seem laughable, but there was a time when LeBron was considered a clutch player during his Cavs days. Sadly since the 2010 Celtics series he has been awful in the clutch. I would have never used this account name if I made this account today. :lol

:applause: i'm impressed. You're not a Lebron stan after all...

:cheers:

[DMV2]

How exactly did Lin win this matchup again? You dudes are funny. Who needs the comedy channel.
Lin outplayed Kyrie in the 2nd half, easily.

[mrpibb]

To clear things up here, Lin outplayed Irving from what I see on the box score.

LeBron is a clutch player when he feels like he has to be the man. He had a bad experience in the Celtics series. So what. It was one series.

However, since he's gone to the Heat, he's deferred to a proven, "clutch" superstar in Wade -- to the detriment of the team. I think he's just misunderstood.

[ballashotcalla]

Irving: 19 years old.

Lin: 23 years old

And don't give me the BS the 'Lin is a rookie too', Lin has had much more experience playing for the Warriors, playing for the D- League and playing 4 years of college. Irving barely played 10 games in college.

And of course the Knicks are gunna win just compare the teams:

Cavs lineup: Erden, Jamison, Casspi, Parker, Irving

Knicks Lineup: Chandler, Amare, Melo, Fields, Lin. Not to mention JR Smith, Baron, and Novak off the bench.

The lineup says it all. Lin has 2 other all stars and one of the best centers in the league to draw attention off him. On the other hand Irving has....:oldlol: ? *crickets *crickets.

Btw Irving is better then Lin in all aspects of the game except passing(debatable). Irving has the potential to be a superstar point guard while Lin is a good player, maybe he'll make a few all star teams but his potential is nowhere near Irving's. It's obvious to anyone who has watched both players.

These Lin stans are getting as bad as the Kobe and LeBron stans. :rolleyes:

The Lin haters are even worse.

Let's be real. Teams would rather have melo or amare go off for 30 points than have Lin go for 30 points.

Lin and Irving played very good. But Lin vs Irving is debatable which is obvious if you look at only half a season.

[mrpibb]

The Lin haters are even worse.

Let's be real. Teams would rather have melo or amare go off for 30 points than have Lin go for 30 points.

Lin and Irving played very good. But Lin vs Irving is debatable which is obvious if you look at only half a season.

I strongly disagree. Allowing a former star in Amar'e or a current star in Melo blow up for 30 points instead of an unproven kid on a hot streak is the worst idea ever. They could keep going and put up 50 on you.

Now, I know I said "unproven," but that's not because I doubt his abilities. He just hasn't put up these numbers for a whole season. I'm not being hard on him or a hater, but players don't get into the All-Star game for being good for one month. Amar'e and Melo have been great for entire seasons, and that's why teams would rather limit them than Lin.

[GOBB]

The Lin haters are even worse.

Let's be real. Teams would rather have melo or amare go off for 30 points than have Lin go for 30 points.

Lin and Irving played very good. But Lin vs Irving is debatable which is obvious if you look at only half a season.

Lin didnt play half a season. So what are you babbling about look at only half a season? If we did that? We'd see how amazing Irving has been producing at PG. At age 19, with almost a dozen college games under his belt no training camp or anything thanks to the lockout. There is nothing to debate here. Maybe the start of next season we can debate something. Right now?

Keep walkin. Wait turn around idiot. Did you say teams would rather Melo/amare go off than Lin? And you have the nerve to say Lin haters are worse.

F*ck off

[Clutch]

GOBB is getting more and more mad every day. :roll:

If the Knicks continue to win games with Lin playing well I think he might commit suicide.

Did you also notice that every time he trashes the Knicks/Lin the Suxers lose while the Knicks win with Lin having a good game :oldlol:

Keep hating GOBB.

Worst quality per quantity poster on this board.

[ballashotcalla]

Lin didnt play half a season. So what are you babbling about look at only half a season? If we did that? We'd see how amazing Irving has been producing at PG. At age 19, with almost a dozen college games under his belt no training camp or anything thanks to the lockout. There is nothing to debate here. Maybe the start of next season we can debate something. Right now?

Keep walkin. Wait turn around idiot. Did you say teams would rather Melo/amare go off than Lin? And you have the nerve to say Lin haters are worse.

F*ck off

Calm down dude. No need to rage about something so silly.

I'm saying that Irving has only shown half a season and Lin has shown 10 games or whatever it is. In the grand scheme of things, both have not proven any long term consistency.

So you judge both by what they've done in this short amount of time.

[Clutch]

Calm down dude. No need to rage about something so silly.

I'm saying that Irving has only shown half a season and Lin has shown 10 games or whatever it is. In the grand scheme of things, both have not proven any long term consistency.

So you judge both by what they've done in this short amount of time.
Ignore him.

He's just mad because the Knicks are getting more hype for being a .500 team then the Sixers would get if they were the best team in the league :roll: :roll: :roll:

[GOBB]

GOBB is getting more and more mad every day. :roll:

If the Knicks continue to win games with Lin playing well I think he might commit suicide.

Did you also notice that every time he trashes the Knicks/Lin the Suxers lose while the Knicks win with Lin having a good game :oldlol:

Keep hating GOBB.

Worst quality per quantity poster on this board.

You talk to yourself too much. No one ever replies to your posts saying "Yeah I noticed that..." or agreeing/cosigning your stuff. The content of your posts are silly as hell.

"u mad :roll: "
"u hating :oldlol: "

Really? Thats all your mind can come up with? For shame. One day you'll actually expand your vocabulary and stop sounding like some impressionable kid from the burbs whose homepage is worldstarhiphop.com.

[GOBB]

I dont care for the Sixers to be the best team in the East or NBA. I care for the Sixers to draft high in the 2012 draft. And if possible trade Iggy for something better or a lottery pick in 2012. Always said that. You can use ISH search function idiot to pull up my posts or ask Sixers fans here...

"How does GOBB view the Sixers"

Keep talkin out of your ass


Calm down dude. No need to rage about something so silly.

I'm saying that Irving has only shown half a season and Lin has shown 10 games or whatever it is. In the grand scheme of things, both have not proven any long term consistency.

So you judge both by what they've done in this short amount of time.

Silly is saying teams would rather stop Lin than Melo/Amare. Maybe you need to play in traffic with a blindfold on.

[NuggetsFan]

GOBB is getting more and more mad every day. :roll:

If the Knicks continue to win games with Lin playing well I think he might commit suicide.

Did you also notice that every time he trashes the Knicks/Lin the Suxers lose while the Knicks win with Lin having a good game :oldlol:

Keep hating GOBB.

Worst quality per quantity poster on this board.

This literally drives me insane. Why do Knick fans think everybody is always mad? He's a Sixer fan and the Sixers are higher up in the standings than the Knicks :confusedshrug:

Seriously. Knicks get a half decent team for the first time in a decade and their fans are starting the parades and calling everybody and their mothers "haters" and asking if their mad.

[Clutch]

You talk to yourself too much. No one ever replies to your posts saying "Yeah I noticed that..." or agreeing/cosigning your stuff. The content of your posts are silly as hell.

"u mad :roll: "
"u hating :oldlol: "

Really? Thats all your mind can come up with? For shame. One day you'll actually expand your vocabulary and stop sounding like some impressionable kid from the burbs whose homepage is worldstarhiphop.com.
But it's the truth.
You've constantly been hating the Knicks.

You show up in Knicks game threads just to troll and hate.
If the Knicks are winning then you either trash another team (to make the Knicks look bad and other team even worse) or say that they had luck.

Some things are obvious,you being a Knicks hater is one of them.

[ballashotcalla]

I dont care for the Sixers to be the best team in the East or NBA. I care for the Sixers to draft high in the 2012 draft. And if possible trade Iggy for something better or a lottery pick in 2012. Always said that. You can use ISH search function idiot to pull up my posts or ask Sixers fans here...

"How does GOBB view the Sixers"

Keep talkin out of your ass



Silly is saying teams would rather stop Lin than Melo/Amare. Maybe you need to play in traffic with a blindfold on.

Are you not watching how the Knicks play? Teams want to stop Lin on both a strategy level and ego level.

1. Lin handles the ball 90% of the time they are out there. No player on offense ever takes more than 2 dribbles.

2. If you were playing against the Knicks, would you rather have melo drop 40 on you or Lin drop 40 on you have the highlights shown on sportscenter 50 times?

[mrpibb]

I would much rather Lin go for 40.

[GOBB]

But it's the truth.
You've constantly been hating the Knicks.

You show up in Knicks game threads just to troll and hate.
If the Knicks are winning then you either trash another team (to make the Knicks look bad and other team even worse) or say that they had luck.

Some things are obvious,you being a Knicks hater is one of them.

I show up in any game thread when I'm watching a game on tv and/or internet. Nothing is truthful about the crap you fart out of your ass. Listen, it STINKS. Get away.

I go in Bulls game threads

"Ur hating and trolling us. Why are you here? Ur always here."

I go in Clippers game threads

"Ur hating and trolling us. Why are you here? Ur always here."

Its hilarious how insecure you Muppet babies are. You asked me yesterday (rather in a crying way) "Why arent you watching the Sixers game". I did, I watched both games. Then proceeded to watch Bulls vs Spurs and Houston game on League pass.




Here are the facts. NYK fans hyped up their own team as they cleared so much cap space and ended up with Amare/Carmelo Anthony. Then went out and drove a brinks truk to Tyson Chandler home. NYK havent done much of anything and its laughable. Should I bump the threads of you and NYK fans crying how terrible D'antoni was? Imagine if you got your wish and he was fired. Linsanity doesnt happen. No one is b!tching or crying about D'Antoni anymore. Swept him being a bad coach under the rug. Congrats NYK, you are at .500. When in preseason all I heard is how NYK could beat Bulls./Heat in a series (we can bump threads because I argued in them with you clowns).

Go stick your finger up your ass and fondle your prostate.

[GOBB]

I guess I'm mad and a hater because I laugh at the notion teams would rather stop Lin than Melo. No NYK fan ever quotes and responds to posts like that. Idiots.

[Clutch]

I show up in any game thread when I'm watching a game on tv and/or internet. Nothing is truthful about the crap you fart out of your ass. Listen, it STINKS. Get away.

I go in Bulls game threads

"Ur hating and trolling us. Why are you here? Ur always here."

I go in Clippers game threads

"Ur hating and trolling us. Why are you here? Ur always here."

Its hilarious how insecure you Muppet babies are. You asked me yesterday (rather in a crying way) "Why arent you watching the Sixers game". I did, I watched both games. Then proceeded to watch Bulls vs Spurs and Houston game on League pass.




Here are the facts. NYK fans hyped up their own team as they cleared so much cap space and ended up with Amare/Carmelo Anthony. Then went out and drove a brinks truk to Tyson Chandler home. NYK havent done much of anything and its laughable. Should I bump the threads of you and NYK fans crying how terrible D'antoni was? Imagine if you got your wish and he was fired. Linsanity doesnt happen. No one is b!tching or crying about D'Antoni anymore. Swept him being a bad coach under the rug. Congrats NYK, you are at .500. When in preseason all I heard is how NYK could beat Bulls./Heat in a series (we can bump threads because I argued in them with you clowns).

Go stick your finger up your ass and fondle your prostate.
Actually I'm glad that you have such an opinion about the Knicks because you're often dead wrong.

Do you remember when you said that the Grizzlies have absolutely NO CHANCE IN HELL that they will get past the Spurs in the 1st round ?
:roll:

[mrpibb]

To be fair, the games were played in San Antonio and Memphis, so Gobb's statement remains valid, albeit unproven.

[Clutch]

To get back on topic.

Lin outplayed Irving last night.
He had better stats and his team won.

Even if you could somehow argue that Lin didn't outplay him they were even at worst.
That's still something because half of the board predicted that Irving will wipe the floor with Lin which obviously didn't happen.

I don't say that Lin is better than Irving,I just say Lin played better last night.



To be fair, the games were played in San Antonio and Memphis, so Gobb's statement remains valid, albeit unproven.
GOBB said there was no way the Grizzlies would beat the Spurs in the 1st round and advance to the 2nd.
Grizzlies beat the Spurs = his statement was invalid.
It's simple as that. And it's not funny because he was wrong. People are often wrong,it happens.
It's funny because he was insulting people around him who were saying that Grizzlies had a chance.

[Yanch856]

Lin did outplay Irving last night. With respect to Irving cos he's an up and coming player, but the Knicks man, they are a complete team. It's not all on Lin --> Melo's got my boy Lin.

[StroShow4]

More like Novak 1, Jamison/Harrangody 0.

[mrpibb]

To get back on topic.

Lin outplayed Irving last night.
He had better stats and his team won.

Even if you could somehow argue that Lin didn't outplay him they were even at worst.
That's still something because half of the board predicted that Irving will wipe the floor with Lin which obviously didn't happen.

I don't say that Lin is better than Irving,I just say Lin played better last night.



GOBB said there was no way the Grizzlies would beat the Spurs in the 1st round and advance to the 2nd.
Grizzlies beat the Spurs = his statement was invalid.
It's simple as that. And it's not funny because he was wrong. People are often wrong,it happens.
It's funny because he was insulting people around him who were saying that Grizzlies had a chance.

You said he said there was no chance in hell.

[Clutch]

You said he said there was no chance in hell.
I see what you did there :D

Nice word play.

[Patrick Chewing]

dummy.

Necessary??

[RedBlackAttack]

Necessary??
Considering your complete and utter overreaction to this game and seeming obliviousness as to the importance of Varejao... Yeah.

[RedBlackAttack]

Lin did outplay Irving last night. With respect to Irving cos he's an up and coming player, but the Knicks man, they are a complete team. It's not all on Lin --> Melo's got my boy Lin.
I guess it's not worth mentioning that Irving completely outplayed Rondo the night before and this was NY's first game since the All-Star break... And it was on the road.

All things considered, Kyrie gave a pretty good showing for himself. It wasn't one of his better games, but he was good enough to give us a chance. The team just had no legs in the second half.

[RedBlackAttack]

Are you not watching how the Knicks play? Teams want to stop Lin on both a strategy level and ego level.

1. Lin handles the ball 90% of the time they are out there. No player on offense ever takes more than 2 dribbles.

2. If you were playing against the Knicks, would you rather have melo drop 40 on you or Lin drop 40 on you have the highlights shown on sportscenter 50 times?
All due respect, but if the Cavs' sole focus was really on stopping Lin, Kyrie would have never been matched up with him at any point. It is no secret that the weakest part of Irving's game -- by many miles -- is his defense. In fairness, that is usually the biggest hurdle for a rookie point guard. I have little doubt that he will eventually (probably in a couple of years) be a good defender, but he is far from it right now. It is no surprise that he is an awful defender, but he is an awful defender.

On the other side of the floor, Irving spent the vast majority of the night being guarded by Shumpert. After Irving got to the basket with absolute ease in the first six minutes, the Knicks pretty obviously made a defensive switch.

The Cavs did not... Because there is more to worry about when it comes to the Knicks.

That is one of the many reasons why this "Irving vs. Lin" narrative was misguided to start with.

[GOBB]

Actually I'm glad that you have such an opinion about the Knicks because you're often dead wrong.

Do you remember when you said that the Grizzlies have absolutely NO CHANCE IN HELL that they will get past the Spurs in the 1st round ?
:roll:

What have I been wrong on about the NYK?

Yes, I like many failed with that prediction that the Spurs wouldnt win. No one is batting 1.000. Whats your point again? Because it surely isnt proving that I'm often wrong about the NYK. Gurantee your next reply is "You said Cavs would beat the NYK and NYK won. So therefore you're wrong!".

Like I said tell me what I have been wrong on about the NYK. I'll wait.

[GOBB]

All due respect, but if the Cavs' sole focus was really on stopping Lin, Kyrie would have never been matched up with him at any point. It is no secret that the weakest part of Irving's game -- by many miles -- is his defense. In fairness, that is usually the biggest hurdle for a rookie point guard. I have little doubt that he will eventually (probably in a couple of years) be a good defender, but he is far from it right now. It is no surprise that he is an awful defender, but he is an awful defender.

On the other side of the floor, Irving spent the vast majority of the night being guarded by Shumpert. After Irving got to the basket with absolute ease in the first six minutes, the Knicks pretty obviously made a defensive switch.

The Cavs did not... Because there is more to worry about when it comes to the Knicks.

That is one of the many reasons why this "Irving vs. Lin" narrative was misguided to start with.

Just like they did when Calderon was getting the better of Lin. NYK put Shumpert on Calderon and NYK fans "Lin outplayed Calderon, he owned him!".

[The Ownage]

I haven't read everything up in this thread but it shouldn't have been made. Is this thread supposed to show that Lin owned Irving? Lin outplayed him, but Kyrie held his own. He's also a rookie who's doing some amazing things with the Cavs :confusedshrug:

Win credit should be given to Carmelo/Novak.

[zizozain]

lol

that's all

[T.O.RapsJays]

Just like they did when Calderon was getting the better of Lin. NYK put Shumpert on Calderon and NYK fans "Lin outplayed Calderon, he owned him!".
Ugh this.

Calderon forces turnovers on Lin, shoots very well. Starts to get guarded by a good defender, Lin shoots game-winner 3..."Lin sh!ted on Calderon OMG!!" :facepalm

[ballashotcalla]

Lin's defense is what everyone in Golden state raved about.

Once scrubs play significant minutes, defense is usually the first to go. His rotations are good, but his conditioning and hustle on defense for 40 minutes could use some help. You either get full out hustle on offense or on defense. Lebron is probably the only player in a long time that gives great intensity on both ends.

Shump did lockdown calderon in the 4th and it was a great team win.

[ballashotcalla]

All due respect, but if the Cavs' sole focus was really on stopping Lin, Kyrie would have never been matched up with him at any point. It is no secret that the weakest part of Irving's game -- by many miles -- is his defense. In fairness, that is usually the biggest hurdle for a rookie point guard. I have little doubt that he will eventually (probably in a couple of years) be a good defender, but he is far from it right now. It is no surprise that he is an awful defender, but he is an awful defender.

On the other side of the floor, Irving spent the vast majority of the night being guarded by Shumpert. After Irving got to the basket with absolute ease in the first six minutes, the Knicks pretty obviously made a defensive switch.

The Cavs did not... Because there is more to worry about when it comes to the Knicks.

That is one of the many reasons why this "Irving vs. Lin" narrative was misguided to start with.

Knicks made the defensive switch when boobie came on the floor. Lin more times than not is guarding the smaller player like in toronto when leandro barbosa came to play in the 4th.

But Calderon was having a good game in the first half.

[RedBlackAttack]

Knicks made the defensive switch when boobie came on the floor. Lin more times than not is guarding the smaller player like in toronto when leandro barbosa came to play in the 4th.

But Calderon was having a good game in the first half.
So, they didn't make the switch because Irving was blowing by Lin as if he wasn't on the floor? Kyrie's most effective period in the game came in the early stages when Lin was defending him.

After that (about midway through the first quarter), the Knicks put Shumpert on him almost exclusively and began trapping when they could to get the ball out of his hands... For the rest of the game.

But, I'm sure you're right... Lin had bigger things to worry about like Boobie Gibson.

On the other end, Kyrie defended Lin almost exclusively throughout the game... Which makes Lin's nice offensive game pretty unsurprising considering Kyrie is an awful defender at this stage in his career (totally understandable/predictable) and his legs were gone in the second half (second night of a back-to-back on the road).

Btw, Kyrie was getting the better of Shumpert many times, as well. His shot wasn't falling last night (2-7 on 3 attempts), but he was getting the cup relatively easily all night long.

[FKAri]

So, they didn't make the switch because Irving was blowing by Lin as if he wasn't on the floor? Kyrie's most effective period in the game came in the early stages when Lin was defending him.

After that (about midway through the first quarter), the Knicks put Shumpert on him almost exclusively and began trapping when they could to get the ball out of his hands... For the rest of the game.

But, I'm sure you're right... Lin had bigger things to worry about like Boobie Gibson.

On the other end, Kyrie defended Lin almost exclusively throughout the game... Which makes Lin's nice offensive game pretty unsurprising considering Kyrie is an awful defender at this stage in his career (totally understandable/predictable) and his legs were gone in the second half (second night of a back-to-back on the road).

Btw, Kyrie was getting the better of Shumpert many times, as well. His shot wasn't falling last night (2-7 on 3 attempts), but he was getting the cup relatively easily all night long.


Kyrie just ran out of gas in the 2nd half. In the first half it wasn't so much Lin's lack of D as it was the Knicks bigs not rotating properly on the pick and rolls. This regularly happens with Amare.

The same shit happened with Calderon. Lin got screened out and Calderon pulled up for a jumper on the other side. Shumpert is a better defender than Lin but it also helps when youve got a smarter defender in Jeffries on the PnRs in place of Amare. Real talk.

[HoopDreams247]

I haven't read everything up in this thread but it shouldn't have been made. Is this thread supposed to show that Lin owned Irving? Lin outplayed him, but Kyrie held his own. He's also a rookie who's doing some amazing things with the Cavs :confusedshrug:

Win credit should be given to Carmelo/Novak.

Lin: 19/5/13
Melo: 22/5/4

Who contributed more?

[Patrick Chewing]

I guess it's not worth mentioning that Irving completely outplayed Rondo the night before and this was NY's first game since the All-Star break... And it was on the road.

All things considered, Kyrie gave a pretty good showing for himself. It wasn't one of his better games, but he was good enough to give us a chance. The team just had no legs in the second half.


Damn, nothing but excuses here.

[DMV2]

Damn, nothing but excuses here.
I've never seen an NBA player having this much emotional effect on ISH vets. :lol

[RedBlackAttack]

Damn, nothing but excuses here.
Not really. Just pointing out some indisputable facts.

Don't get me wrong... The Knicks deserved to win and then some. For a minute, I thought that the early 17 point lead might be enough to make them discouraged, but it never happened. They continually chipped away and chipped away and then turned it up a few notches late in the game.

It was a really nice win.

But, there hasn't been much mention of back-to-back on the road, which is always very difficult for any team, let alone a very young team... Playing in Madison Square Garden.

No one is saying that the win wasn't earned. That kind of situation is always worth keeping in mind, though.