What's gong on with Rubio?

[Shepseskaf]

Early in the season, so many threads were posted about Rubio being "legit", and how all the "haters" were wrong, etc., etc.

What's going on now? His statline last night against the Lakers (and Fisher) was pathetic.

3 pts on 1-8 shooting, no free throws, and 3 rebounds? He did have 9 assists, but overall what a horrific line.

I've been a skeptic on the kid, but even I didn't see a drop-off as bad as this. He's one of the worst-shooting starting guards in the league, and it doesn't look like things are going to get much better.

I've caught Wolves games when I can, but haven't seen that much of him in the last month. So what's up, Rubio fans? Is the honeymoon over? Is he not working hard enough on his shooting? What's the deal?

I guessing that he won't be starting much longer if this trend keeps up.

[roffie]

derek fisher and mwp defence tonight was air tight. don't blame the kid :D

[RazorBaLade]

To be honest, TONIGHT, it was just clear rookie in the NBA stuff.

He was making fisher look like hes in concrete shoes, but he was SO scared of contact from bynum. Complete opposite of Lin/Parker type players.... As soon as he raped fisher he saw bynum and took some awkward step back fadeaway from 8 ft that was never strong enough to be a bank shot and way too strong to be a floater. Happened like 5 times.

Just destroyed by interior defense tonight. He's good in other ways, but he either will learn how to shoot or learn how to finish..... He can't do either atm.

[Shepseskaf]

but he was SO scared of contact from bynum. Complete opposite of Lin/Parker type players....
I've noticed that about Rubio. He doesn't seem to like mixing it up. As you said, Lin just throws his body into people and is much more aggressive offensively.

[Toizumi]

Early in the season, so many threads were posted about Rubio being "legit", and how all the "haters" were wrong, etc., etc.

What's going on now? His statline last night against the Lakers (and Fisher) was pathetic.

3 pts on 1-8 shooting, no free throws, and 3 rebounds? He did have 9 assists, but overall what a horrific line.

I've been a skeptic on the kid, but even I didn't see a drop-off as bad as this. He's one of the worst-shooting starting guards in the league, and it doesn't look like things are going to get much better.

I've caught Wolves games when I can, but haven't seen that much of him in the last month. So what's up, Rubio fans? Is the honeymoon over? Is he not working hard enough on his shooting? What's the deal?

I guessing that he won't be starting much longer if this trend keeps up.

Haven’t seen last nights game.. but Rubio started the season on a hot streak, shooting around 50%, which was very surprising since he was known to be a poor shooter. It has become evident that his shot still isn’t great, but that was expected.
He has proven though, that he is one of the league’s greatest passers already and a good defensive PG, with great hands, good leadership, great positioning on the court. He makes his teammates better as well.
He needs to work on his shot and needs to learn how to take care of the ball (high TO numbers). He’s not going to lose his starting gig anytime soon..




I've noticed that about Rubio. He doesn't seem to like mixing it up. As you said, Lin just throws his body into people and is much more aggressive offensively.

Rubio doesn't like contact and shies away from it. Something he needs to work on, because he has good driving skills. Parker and Lin are scorers though and eventhough both put up good assist numbers, they're not pass first guys. Different type of players. That doesn't take away the fact that Rubio needs to go for contact more often.

[Nero Tulip]

Just the rookie wall... nothing to see there. Irving is having bad games as well. As far as the shooting goes though, get used to it as Rubio isn't, and never has been, a good shooter. Still an amazing player in other areas.

[Shepseskaf]

Just the rookie wall... nothing to see there.
He isn't a typical rookie coming out of college, though. He's been a professional since his mid-teens in a league that's just a few notches below the NBA?

So, I'm not so sure if I really buy the "just a rookie" excuse.

Also, I still can't figure out how he could spend so many years playing in a league that places a premium on good shooting, and still be so lousy.

[Qwertyazerty]

Ricky 2 point shooting is horrible and has always been, so was his 3 pt shooting previous to this season. During Lockout he's been working on his 3 pt shoot and has improved into an acceptable level. He has actually better 3pt % than Jennings, Conley, Lin, Rondo, Nate, Rose, Lawson, Ellis, Westbrook, Kidd, Fisher, Parker and Wall, among starting PG. Not many of them attempt more 3 pointers than him. Lin 41 attempts for Rubio 86, for example. He is not a specialist but is getting better and is not that bad compare to other starting point guards. And shooting guards like Kobe have worst 3 pt shooting than him. His team specialist 3 pt shooter (Ridnour) also has worst 3pt %. And believe me no Ridnour or Barea is going to push Rubio out of the wolves starting five.

He was drafted for his playmaking and is top 5 in APG while not being top 10 in TOPG, while Nash and Rondo (two of the best playmakers and only players clearly surpassing Rubio's APG) are both top 10 (Rondo even top 5) in TOPG.

On top of that he's been helping wolves with his defence and is actually second in SPG.

His team is 0.500 and playing well.

What's wrong with Ricky??? Don't know, tell me.




He isn't a typical rookie coming out of college, though. He's been a professional since his mid-teens in a league that's just a few notches below the NBA?

So, I'm not so sure if I really buy the "just a rookie" excuse.

Also, I still can't figure out how he could spend so many years playing in a league that places a premium on good shooting, and still be so lousy.

In ACB there are 34 regular season games (if I'm not wrong, 18 teams playing twice each other)… so try to find another argument. And if you don't know anything about ACB why are you using it as an argument… there are plenty of average to bellow average shooters in ACB. That's a team oriented style of play and Rubio is good in that sense.


I like the player and also appreciate other point guards without having to compare them… why can't people do the same??? It is great to have rubios, irvings, roses, westbrooks, lins, walls, rondos, parkers, etc.

[chains5000]

In ACB there are 34 regular season games
You have to add Euroleague games, 18 games for him last season, Cup games, 3 last season, and playoff games too, 8.

That makes it 61 games. How long is the regular season?

[Yung D-Will]

If you honestly think there's a possibilty of the guy who's 5th in the leauge in assist and second in the leauge in steals losing his starting spot then you're honestly a retard. That's like the Celts telling Rondo he can't play cause he's struggling with his shot.

He's one of the leauge leader in two major states but because he's struggling to score the honeymoons over?

I swear you just find a reason to hate the kid :roll:

[ZenMaster]

You have to add Euroleague games, 18 games for him last season, Cup games, 3 last season, and playoff games too, 8.

That makes it 61 games. How long is the regular season?

Still it's not like he went through 61 games in Europe shining all the way, he had ups and downs there as well, you should expect the same for him in the NBA.

It's OK, even though he came in looking real good there's still a learning curve for him and he's still young.

The whole "he's played pro since he was young" argument is moot, and by using it you're basically saying young prospects playing pro in Europe per definition are better prospects than the ones playing in college.

I still think he's doing good though and impacting the game, even though he's having trouble shooting.

[Qwertyazerty]

You have to add Euroleague games, 18 games for him last season, Cup games, 3 last season, and playoff games too, 8.

That makes it 61 games. How long is the regular season?

61 games from september to may versus 62 games from end december to end of april.
FIBA games are 40 minutes long with him averaging 20 mpg last seasons. NBA games are 48 minutes long, faster pace and with him averaging 30 mpg with back to back to back games…
Traveling around Spain (except for Euroleague games) compared to traveling around USA...

I guess he has no right to hit a rookie wall… right?

[chains5000]

I'm not hating on Rubio, he also played during the summer so he could be tired now.
Just saying the difference in games played isn't that big.

Of course, there's more time between games here too...

[Qwertyazerty]

Of course, there's more time between games here too...

Not only that but, as I told you his minutes per game have increased 50% and that also affects his stamina and endurance.

[chains5000]

Not only that but, as I told you his minutes per game have increased 50% and that also affects his stamina and endurance.
Yeah, Sada was playing as much minutes as him for Barcelona.

[Qwertyazerty]

Yeah, Sada was playing as much minutes as him for Barcelona.

Even more in many games and, IMHO, doing much better than Ricky.

[Shepseskaf]

II swear you just find a reason to hate the kid
This is why 10-year olds should not be allowed to post. Asking questions about a player has nothing to do with "hating". :rolleyes:

[chains5000]

Even more in many games and, IMHO, doing much better than Ricky.
Agreed.

[Shepseskaf]

[QUOTE=Qwertyazerty]And if you don't know anything about ACB why are you using it as an argument

[madmax]

he's just a turrible shooter - always has been, always will be:confusedshrug:
The sooner his fans and media accept this fact ands learn to appreciate his other assets, the better. Actually NBA style is much more suitable to him, since the pace is much faster and there is more spacing for him to throw his fancy passes.

[Yung D-Will]

This is why 10-year olds should not be allowed to post. Asking questions about a player has nothing to do with "hating". :rolleyes:


But making a statement "My guess he won't be starting for long" when he's top 2 in steals and top 5 in assist isn't hating?

You're reaching obviously.

[Shepseskaf]

But making a statement "My guess he won't be starting for long" when he's top 2 in steals and top 5 in assist isn't hating?

You're reaching obviously.
What I said was, "I'm guessing he won't be starting much longer if this trend keeps up". I posted that because I've noticed that Adelman has sometimes kept him on the bench down the stretch, when previously he had been closing out every game.

Lousy shooting from your lead guard hurts the team, even when he can compensate by doing other things. When you're statistically at the bottom of the list in shooting among guards, that's not good.

I'm not hoping that he loses his starting job, but just speculating that the coach can't like the bad shooting, and might do something to shake things up -- particularly if the Wolves go on a losing streak. I also added the caveat "if this trend keeps up". For his sake, I hope he can reverse it.

[Hyman]

Minessota were the worst team of the NBA during last season. They had a record of 17-65.

Today there record is 18-18. And Rubio is a huge reason.

Rubio always makes their teams better. You can see his team accoldades during all over his career and they are just impressive.

Every team Rubio arrives, improves massively.

Basketball is much more than individual stats. Rubio's impact in Minessota is enormous. He has changed the Franchise's fate. I cant remember any rookie having such an impact in their first season in the NBA. And I dont refer to an individual stat-line impact. Im refferring to a global impact.

Take Rubio out of Minessota and they are a 23-25 win team at most

[Funnyfuka]

he s afraid of the big black players...

[B-Easy8]

You should probably watch the games instead of just looking at the statline. He sets up the offense to perfection, gets the ball to players where they like it and doesn't take bad shots. Defensively he is excellent also and he is a good rebounder. His shot isn't good, but when he is set he is pretty much money. He contributes in almost every other way and makes everyone around him better, I don't care if he scores 0 points every game as long as he keeps doing the other things.

[Shepseskaf]

he s afraid of the big black players...
Yup, I'm sure that's the real reason. :rolleyes:

[Qwertyazerty]

I admit to not being an expert in European ball. From my vantage point, though, virtually every euro guard that's come over to the NBA has been a good shooter. I can't think of any who are as bad as Rubio.

So, I'm just asking questions because there's some information that I want to know.


Examples:

Calder

[Alan]

You should probably watch the games instead of just looking at the statline. He sets up the offense to perfection, gets the ball to players where they like it and doesn't take bad shots. Defensively he is excellent also and he is a good rebounder. His shot isn't good, but when he is set he is pretty much money. He contributes in almost every other way and makes everyone around him better, I don't care if he scores 0 points every game as long as he keeps doing the other things.
I have watched basically every Wolves' game this season and I can't agree with the bolded part of your post.

[Maga_1]

He's tired and still learning how to play in NBA.

Rubio had european seasons with 60 games in 8 months, playing 22mpg most of the times with a big trip every 2 weeks.

Now:

Rubio already played 36 games in 2 months, playing 34mpg most of the times with big trips every week. And he's playing with a 50x more faster pace on the game against the best athletes in the world, specially in his position.


Points are up, assists are up, steals are up .. he's doing fine for a rookie but sure he's going to have some bad stretches in this compressed season.

[The_Yearning]

He shoots 2/8, 1/9, 3/12 every damn game.

34% for the season. And that isn't even including 3's.

[Shepseskaf]

[QUOTE=Qwertyazerty]Examples:

Calder

[FireDavidKahn]

Minessota were the worst team of the NBA during last season. They had a record of 17-65.

Today there record is 18-18. And Rubio is a huge reason.

Rubio always makes their teams better. You can see his team accoldades during all over his career and they are just impressive.

Every team Rubio arrives, improves massively.

Basketball is much more than individual stats. Rubio's impact in Minessota is enormous. He has changed the Franchise's fate. I cant remember any rookie having such an impact in their first season in the NBA. And I dont refer to an individual stat-line impact. Im refferring to a global impact.

Take Rubio out of Minessota and they are a 23-25 win team at most
This post pretty much sums it up. Rubio has been the only player who has made a major contribution to this team that won 17 games last year. His impact on the game is huge despite what his "poor" numbers suggest.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Shepseskaf is racist and Rubio hater, nothing new.

[Droid101]

In the beginning of the season point guards were guarding him more closely so he was taking more shots at the rim. Everyone backs off him now and dares him to shoot (which he isn't that good at, yet).

He'll get better.

[plUto or bUst]

He takes really bad shots. He's gotta model his game after rondo. Grab rebounds, play defense, pass the rock, and take high percentage shots that the defense gives him. He'll never be a really good shooter imo. Probably a career 40 percent shooter like Kidd, if he doesn't change his game.

[Nash]

Rubio is not a scorer though, no surprise.

[Maga_1]

He takes really bad shots. He's gotta model his game after rondo. Grab rebounds, play defense, pass the rock, and take high percentage shots that the defense gives him. He'll never be a really good shooter imo. Probably a career 40 percent shooter like Kidd, if he doesn't change his game.

Remember .. Kidd is a top3 all time 3 pointer.

[tontoz]

His shot isn't that bad. I think his big problem is that he doesn't get to the rim much and doesn't finish well when he does get there.

[stallionaire]

He'll be fine. His recent body of work shows that he's overthinking nearly everything. He'll figure it out.

[stallionaire]

His shot isn't that bad. I think his big problem is that he doesn't get to the rim much and doesn't finish well when he does get there.

Rubio drives quite often but as other posters have said he isn't willing to put his body into defenders like other guys.

[MK2V1GP]

OP actually thinks Rubio is going to be benched? :lol :lol

He's just hitting the rookie wall. In Europe, he played one or two games per WEEK at less than 20 mpg. Now he's playing 4 or 5 games per week at nearly 38 mpg. That's a HUGE difference.

[tontoz]

Rubio drives quite often but as other posters have said he isn't willing to put his body into defenders like other guys.


His shot attempts at the rim are less than half of Irvings and he shoots 12% worse than Irving on those attempts. That is a pretty large gap.

Most top pgs get far more attempts at the rim than Rubio and shoot much better.

[rodman91]

Remember .. Kidd is a top3 all time 3 pointer.

Because he is 40 years old or something.

[Fiba basketball]

He will never be a good shooter . I think he wont improve anymore , this is his peak .

[Maga_1]

He will never be a good shooter . I think he wont improve anymore , this is his peak .

lol

[Fiba basketball]

lol
What I wrote is true and you will see that in couple of years . He started playing pro basketball early so he is going to have his peak early and retire when he is 30,31 years old .

[ace23]

He shoots 2/8, 1/9, 3/12 every damn game.

34% for the season. And that isn't even including 3's.
He's shooting 36% from the field, threes included. Not sure where you got that number from.

[stallionaire]

He will never be a good shooter . I think he wont improve anymore , this is his peak .
:facepalm

[Punpun]

36 % ? That's as good as MWP. He is as good as MWP. Or as bad actually. Haha.

[FireDavidKahn]

36 % ? That's as good as MWP. He is as good as MWP. Or as bad actually. Haha.
Some people actually believe this.:facepalm

[rodman91]

10.8 ppg (5th in rookies)
8.4 apg (5th in league,1st in rookies)
4.3 rpg (15th in all guards)
2.3 spg (2nd in league,1st in rookies)
Double-Double (1st in rookies,3rd in all guars)

Rubio: 10.8 ppg(36%) 8.4apg 4.3 rpg 2.3 spg 3.3 TO
Williams: 21.9 ppg(%40) 8.3apg 3.5 rpg 1.1 spg 4.2 TO
Paul: 19.5 ppg(50%) 8.5apg 3.6 rpg 2.2 spg 2.2 TO
Nash:13.9 ppg(54%) 10.9apg 2.8 rpg 0.7 spg 3.7 TO
Rondo: 15.4 ppg(48%) 9.6apg 5.0 rpg 1.5 spg 3.8 TO
Parker : 19.1 ppg(45%) 8.1apg 3.0 rpg 1.1 spg 2.6 TO


Legit.

[Punpun]

Some people actually believe this.:facepalm

As good at shooting. Heck he may be an even huger liability cause he shoots like twice as much as MWP.

8 AST won't cut it.

Thing is happening is that Rubio is not a top 15 PG. So he is actually playing pretty good for what was expected from him by any non wanker fan.

[Celtic_Pride]

His court-vision and passing is terrific (probably a notch below Nash)

His on-ball defense and stealing is great (probably on the same level of Rondo)

Dude hardly takes a bad shot and makes a bad decision. If only his teammates were good enough to catch those no look passes or hit those open jump shots, his APG would prolly be around 11-12.

If he improves on that jump shot, he will be an elite Point Guard in few years else he will be in Rondo's level at worst

[Yanch856]

What's wrong with Ricky Rubio? 4 words:

The kid can't shoot.

Couldn't shoot in euroleague, can't shoot in the NBA.

I hope most people can see this.

His D is good tho, that keeps him on the starting lineup but man, he cannot shoot to save his own life.

[Punpun]

If only his teammates were good enough to catch those no look passes or hit those open jump shots, his APG would prolly be around 11-12.

If he improves on that jump shot, he will be an elite Point Guard in few years else he will be in Rondo's level at worst

Nope. If he had better teammates, then he won't play as much as he does.

[04mzwach]

He's an average spot-up shooter. He's pretty bad at shooting in other cases. Otherwise he's elite. He needs Ridnour out of the lineup, so that he can create better. I was shocked when Rubio got the start and Ridnour was starting at the SG spot. Ridnour is really good at shooting, but Rubio will be at his best without Ridnour on the floor. (start Webster)

[knickswin]

he's just not that great

[JellyBean]

Nothing is wrong with Rubio. Look at his overall collection of games. He has been pretty consistent. He has had great shooting nights, terrible shooting nights, and nights where he has been average. This is the Rubio that we expected, well at least me. You also have to consider what the coach is asking him to do. Adelman isn't asking Rubio to shoot a lot. He takes what the defense gives him. I still think that he is legit.

Folks were hoping that Rubio was going to come into the league and be this dud. Be this huge turnover machine. The most he has had this season is 7. Or some other negative factor. Rubio has been pretty consistent considering that he isn't a scoring point guard. Like I said, Rubio is still legit. Two games of 1-8 shooting does not diminish him. He is still legit.

[Euroleague]

Like I said all along here - Rubio is all flash and no substance. he is fool's gold. He's a combo of prime Jason Williams and Rafer Alston.

Anyone that has true understanding of the point guard position knows that Rubio is incredibly overrated. The people that hype him up and go on and on about him just prove that they don't a thing about playing the point guard position.

Just making fancy passes in open space and ball pressuring ball handlers does not make you a great point guard, especially if you are below average in most other areas of the game.

[Euroleague]

Just the rookie wall... nothing to see there. Irving is having bad games as well. As far as the shooting goes though, get used to it as Rubio isn't, and never has been, a good shooter. Still an amazing player in other areas.

Total BS. He is used to playing 2 times a week, practicing twice a day with all outs on non game and non travel days ALL season, and playing over the summer every year with Spain's national team...........

Even the shorter NBA season of this year's schedule is a walk in the park compared to the grind he had with Barca. Stop making excuses.

[Droid101]

Just making fancy passes in open space and ball pressuring ball handlers does not make you a great point guard, especially if you are below average in most other areas of the game.
Court awareness: Far above average
Passer: Far above average
On-ball defender: Above average
Passing Lane/steals defender: Above average
Ball handling: Above average
Shooting: Below average

Okay.

[rodman91]

Like I said all along here - Rubio is all flash and no substance. he is fool's gold. He's a combo of prime Jason Williams and Rafer Alston.

Anyone that has true understanding of the point guard position knows that Rubio is incredibly overrated. The people that hype him up and go on and on about him just prove that they don't a thing about playing the point guard position.

Just making fancy passes in open space and ball pressuring ball handlers does not make you a great point guard, especially if you are below average in most other areas of the game.

WTF? He is one of the best rookies and solid pointguard already.

Jason kidd's career average is 40%. He was shooting 38% in his first years. At worst Rubio will be poor shooter but good to great point guard.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Qwertyazerty]
In ACB there are 34 regular season games (if I'm not wrong, 18 teams playing twice each other)

[Euroleague]

You have to add Euroleague games, 18 games for him last season, Cup games, 3 last season, and playoff games too, 8.

That makes it 61 games. How long is the regular season?

63. Plus the Supercup before season, Catalan before season, other friendly games, plus the national team friendly games, practice, national team tournaments........

plus two a day all out practices every day on off days............it's way harder than an NBA training and playing schedule, even factoring in the shorter season with more games and the more travel in the NBA. It's still way less playing time than players are required to do in Europe.

Not tom mention that NBA players don't have to train their bodies as much either. They have cardio and weight lifting, but they don't have nearly as much running time as European players do, who are required to run a lot more, plus do the weight training.

It's complete fantasy land from NBA fans that Rubio would be having a hard time with his physical schedule, when he is used to a lot harder schedule in Europe. This isn't a freaking NCAA schedule that he was coming from.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Qwertyazerty]61 games from september to may versus 62 games from end december to end of april.
FIBA games are 40 minutes long with him averaging 20 mpg last seasons. NBA games are 48 minutes long, faster pace and with him averaging 30 mpg with back to back to back games

[Droid101]

You are an undeniable idiot. Josh Childress didn't even have to play for his national team, and he said the Euroleague/Greek League schedule was way harder than the NBA schedule because of all the training and practice.

And Rubio was playing more games than him in Spain, plus had to play with his national team every summer. Jasikevicius said that playing two leagues in Europe, plus the more practice, plus playing with the national team was like twice as hard as playing an NBA season in terms of how tired you get.
You are delusional.
I think everyone on this board knows who the delusional one is.

[Euroleague]

I'm not hating on Rubio, he also played during the summer so he could be tired now.
Just saying the difference in games played isn't that big.

Of course, there's more time between games here too...

And NBA teams practice about 5-10 times a month, sometimes only 2-3 times a month. Most clubs in Europe require 2 a day on non travel and game days. And the practices are all outs.

It's an enormous BS myth that there is an easier schedule for Euroleague players. There isn't. And the ones that also have national team duty, actually have a much more demanding schedule than NBA players do.

And remember that good European players in big clubs are playing IMPORTANT games from October to September....................

The NBA season should be child's play for Rubio. NBA players complain if they go deep in the playoffs then play in the summer in a national team.......good Euroleague players do that EVERY year, playing into late June in their domestic championships every year.

NBA only fans are just morons with the crap they make up.

[Droid101]

And NBA teams practice about 5-10 times a month, sometimes only 2-3 times a month.
You are a liar, and you make up garbage.

[Ronin]

Early in the season, so many threads were posted about Rubio being "legit", and how all the "haters" were wrong, etc., etc.

What's going on now? His statline last night against the Lakers (and Fisher) was pathetic.

3 pts on 1-8 shooting, no free throws, and 3 rebounds? He did have 9 assists, but overall what a horrific line.

I've been a skeptic on the kid, but even I didn't see a drop-off as bad as this. He's one of the worst-shooting starting guards in the league, and it doesn't look like things are going to get much better.

I've caught Wolves games when I can, but haven't seen that much of him in the last month. So what's up, Rubio fans? Is the honeymoon over? Is he not working hard enough on his shooting? What's the deal?

I guessing that he won't be starting much longer if this trend keeps up.

he was never a good shooter. I think he'll find his niche as a playmaker. Just don't expect him to shoot the lights out.

[RedBlackAttack]

EuroLeague.... Learn how to edit posts or complete your thoughts before you click the 'submit' button.

You just posted 13 times in a row. Not gonna fly.

[DKLaker]

He's not an NBA player unless he learns to shoot.......he really should'nt have come to the NBA until he learned how to shoot.
Yeah....Rondo can't shoot either but he gets boards to go with his assists and is better and stronger at attacking the basket.

[Maga_1]

He's not an NBA player unless he learns to shoot.......he really should'nt have come to the NBA until he learned how to shoot.
Yeah....Rondo can't shoot either but he gets boards to go with his assists and is better and stronger at attacking the basket.

lol

[SpanishACB]

Even the shorter NBA season of this year's schedule is a walk in the park compared to the grind he had with Barca. Stop making excuses.

I'm not going to argue with you, because you're not worthy.

I'll say, however, that Pau, Marc, Ricky, Navarro, Rudy and basically every single Spanish player that has made the move from ACB to NBA has stated in every public interview, when asked, that the adaptation to the physical level of the NBA is a monster of an achievement (in comparison to the ACB)

You do realize jumping in and out of planes is also very heavy load on your stamina, do you? (Don't answer, it's just a general question, I don't want you to get the impression we are having a conversation here)

[Qwertyazerty]

You are an undeniable idiot...You are delusional
No way to refute your point, me reading your comments is a proof of it.


In your logic:
Trainings = Games
20 mpg = 30 mpg
International tournaments are only exhausting for Euroleague players (they do not affect players going into NBA as the one we are talking about).
FIBA players should never hit rookie wall when landing in NBA as FIBA is much harder schedule.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

he's been humbled by derrick rose.

[Yanch856]

I mean, did watch a bit of the Wolves at the start of the season - he finds his men for good looks and is a great floor general with 360 vision, but his athletic ability is a notch below Kyrie Irving, and more likely than not Jeremy Lin. KL and JL pass my eyeball test, for what it's worth. Which is fine for Rubio if only he could shoot because Adelman doesn't really need him to penetrate and dish - they've got Love and Pekovich who can create down low and draw doubles for kickouts. Except Rubio can't shoot, which sucks for Minnesota... I mean imagine if Rubio had a shot like Novak? He'd be averaging >25ppg and the Wolves would be in the playoffs.