Is anyone really impressed by Wilt's 100 point game?

[sportsfan76]

Especially since there is no video footage of it and at the time the competition was not like it is today. Plus that team he played on when he scored a 100 pts did they win a title that year? Or was the highlight of that season the 100 point game? I mean who cares about a 50th anniversary of a game that is not on video? Anyone agree?

And no I don't think he is a top 4 center because he played in a weak era

[qrich]

Of course not. Everyone knows Wilt is the one that ALLOWED the 100 points, stat-guy got it wrong.

[Kblaze8855]

So your point is you are unimpressed with something you didnt see?

I...dont know that we need a 5th Wilt topic at the moment for the same 3 people toargue with the same 3 people who hate on Wilt bothsides using the same points they do daily. But....whatever. Its not Kobe/Lebron/lin.

[Simple Jack]

Especially since there is no video footage of it and at the time the competition was not like it is today. Plus that team he played on when he scored a 100 pts did they win a title that year? Or was the highlight of that season the 100 point game? I mean who cares about a 50th anniversary of a game that is not on video? Anyone agree?

And no I don't think he is a top 4 center because he played in a weak era

What needs to be considered it that, as dominant as he was, teams didn't walk into the game saying let's let Wilt drop 60/70/80/100 on us. They did everything they could to try to stop him and no one could.

The average skill level was surely not as great as it is now, but there were plenty of HOF level players in the league who Wilt played unbelievable against. Out of all the positions, the play of C's probably changed the least since that time period.

[ThaRegul8r]

So your point is you are unimpressed with something you didnt see?

I...dont know that we need a 5th Wilt topic at the moment for the same 3 people toargue with the same 3 people who hate on Wilt bothsides using the same points they do daily. But....whatever. Its not Kobe/Lebron/lin.

I'm wondering what the hell is up with the rash of Wilt topics lately? Seems like baiting attempts to me.

[Simple Jack]

I'm wondering what the hell is up with the rash of Wilt topics lately? Seems like baiting attempts to me.

Probably because tomorrow is the anniversary of his 100 point game and they are airing a special on NBA TV about it.

[sportsfan76]

So your point is you are unimpressed with something you didnt see?

I...dont know that we need a 5th Wilt topic at the moment for the same 3 people toargue with the same 3 people who hate on Wilt bothsides using the same points they do daily. But....whatever. Its not Kobe/Lebron/lin.


Nobody saw it since CBS wasn't airing the NBA back then-lol I'm more impressed with Kobe's 81 points from a few years ago

[jlauber]

Wilt, himself, was not as impressed with the 100 point game, as some of his other accomplishments. To be honest, as great a game as it was, it was a circus in the 4th quarter.

Still, no other player in NBA history has even come remotely close to it.

[FKAri]

Is anyone really impressed by Kobe's 81 point game? Plus that team he played on when he scored 81 pts did they win a title that year? Or was the highlight of that season the 81 point game?

[bwink23]

Nobody saw it since CBS wasn't airing the NBA back then-lol I'm more impressed with Kobe's 81 points from a few years ago


I'm a bit more impressed by David Thompson's 73-points cuz he did it on less shots, and had like 52-53 points at the half, but decided to slow his shooting in the second half cuz he didn't feel comfortable hogging the ball that much...

[Kblaze8855]

I know nobody saw it. It wasnt even played in an NBA city.

Just seems like an odd question to me. Ask who cares when it has an ESPN special and is one of the more well known performances in sports history?

Im sure there are other people who dont know or care anything about NBA history(Which I assume is the case with you if you dont know who won the title in 1962....considering that who won just about everything those days is common knowledge to NBA fans).

And there are people who hate Wilt for....some reason.

But "Who cares?" just seems like an odd thing to ask about this. Like asking who cares about Babe Ruth calling his HR or who cares about Gale Sayers 6td game.

You either care about the history of the sport or you dont.

[LakersReign]

If you're a student of the game, and have more than just a casual interest largely due to whatever hot new star there is in the NBA at the moment, you'll be interested in the history of the game, whether there's video of certain games or not. They guys got REAL hate just for being talented enough to play a sport invented and, at the time, dominated by white athletes. But hey that's the past, so throw it away, right?!

[RRR3]

If you're a student of the game, and have more than just a casual interest largely due to whatever hot new star there is in the NBA at the moment, you'll be interested in the history of the game, whether there's video of certain games or not. They guys got REAL hate jsut for being talented enough to play a sport invented and at the time dominated by white athletes. But hey that's the past so throw it away, right?!
Smartest thing you ever said. Props. :applause:

[sportsfan76]

Was it ever explained why there was not televised and older NBA games from the 50's were on video?

[CavaliersFTW]

Especially since there is no video footage of it and at the time the competition was not like it is today. Plus that team he played on when he scored a 100 pts did they win a title that year? Or was the highlight of that season the 100 point game? I mean who cares about a 50th anniversary of a game that is not on video? Anyone agree?

And no I don't think he is a top 4 center because he played in a weak era
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070526081822/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/1/15/CaptainobviousChooseOption.jpg/200px-CaptainobviousChooseOption.jpg

It's 100 points bro.



If your not trolling and your genuinely interested in insight this Interview with his teammates should answer all of your questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27tReCWl8RY

[PHILA]

New York Daily News - Nov 3, 1996

Here's Wilt on:

The 100-point game

"I see now on TV where some company is saying you can buy a tape with that game on it. Let me tell you, the only camera that was ever in the arena that night was the one of me showing '100 points' on a sign," Chamberlain said. "When people see me, they say, 'There's the guy who scored 100 points.' It's a tag and I don't like that tag. It's not a putdown. But it's a simplification of how people see me. It doesn't exemplify what I tried to do in basketball. People forget, I had games where I only took one shot. Some games I didn't take any. I led the league in scoring seven straight years and then I was asked to do other things. That was a testament to how good I was."

[Sarcastic]

The greatest individual day in sports history.

[Kblaze8855]

Was it ever explained why there was not televised and older NBA games from the 50's were on video?

It was played in Hershey. Far from Philly. I suspect the media just didnt wanna go. Most games were not on tv anyway. Even 30 years later the NBA finals came on hours after it was over.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The greatest individual day in sports history.
Against 6'8" centers that weigh less than 210 lbs? Nah

[PHILA]

Against 6'8" centers that weigh less than 210 lbs? Nah

:no:

Do not rely on basketball reference. Do you believe Oakley weighed only 225 lbs? Ten pounds less than Kevin Durant's listed weight of 235 this year on NBA.com.



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[jlauber]

:no:

Do not rely on basketball reference. Do you believe Oakley weighed only 225 lbs? Ten pounds less than Kevin Durant's listed weight of 235 this year on NBA.com.



http://i.imgur.com/l6oax.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5cEkh.jpg

Are you kidding? Dunce has NEVER provided ANY research into ANY of his posts. The man is a complete idiot.

[Nevaeh]

I'm a bit more impressed by David Thompson's 73-points cuz he did it on less shots, and had like 52-53 points at the half, but decided to slow his shooting in the second half cuz he didn't feel comfortable hogging the ball that much...

What's that? A player who actually respects the game enough to not keep "Piling it on" against a bad team, after the game is already sealed? Wow, that's some crazy ISH.
:cheers:

[lilgodfather1]

Personally I can't be impressed by something that I didn't see as I am 20 not 70. However I can still be impressed by Wilt's accomplishments. 100 points isn't even close to his most impressive feat imo, to me the most impressive feat is his career rebounding average. I wonder what some current NBA players could do in the 60's. LeBron, Wade, Durant, Kobe imo would all destroy that league.

[CavaliersFTW]

What's that? A player who actually respects the game enough to not keep "Piling it on" against a bad team, after the game is already sealed? Wow, that's some crazy ISH.
:cheers:

Wilt tried to do the same thing in his 100 point game. Listen to the Interview I posted with his teammates earlier in this thread.

Wilt scored 100 yes, but he wanted to come out of that game long before 100 was reached. He's not this extreme stat mongerer everybody makes him out to be.

[mosesmalone]

It's a legend in that era..

[jlauber]

Chamberlain had 32 60+ point games in his career. Included in those, were FOUR of over .700 from the field. The rest of the NBA COMBINED, had 30 60+ point games, and only TWO of over .700 from the field. BTW, Chamberlain also has the HIGHEST FG% in a 60+ point game, of .829 (in his LAST 60+ point game, a 66 point effort, he shot 29-35 from the floor.)

[sbw19]

Out of curiosity what's the highest scoring game by an NBA player since Kobe's 81?

[ProfessorMurder]

Someone please post a link to watch the '100 point' special on NBAtv at 7EST tonight.

[Kblaze8855]

Jennings 55 I think.

[Mike Rice]

Nope. I remember that game oh so long ago when everyone sucked. If Brandon Roy played back then, those would be his averages.

[sbw19]

Jennings 55 I think.

That's too low, I think. Didn't Arenas score 60 once, or was that before the 81 game?

[PTB Fan]

How can you not be impressed with this?

[Bigsmoke]

Of course not. Everyone knows Wilt is the one that ALLOWED the 100 points, stat-guy got it wrong.

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n584/dxplay2128/gif/beavis_and_butthead_gif_by_randomhero36587-d32ktvq.gif

[Psileas]

I'm a bit more impressed by David Thompson's 73-points cuz he did it on less shots, and had like 52-53 points at the half, but decided to slow his shooting in the second half cuz he didn't feel comfortable hogging the ball that much...

First of all, the '78 scoring title was at stake, second, scoring 52 by halftime meant that, in theory, he could go for Wilt's record, so it wouldn't make any sense to stop taking that many shots, especially since he was really hot - it wasn't like Gervin's night some hours later, when he jacked 49 shots in 33 minutes (yes, Gervin was en route to break Wilt's FGA in a game record).

The account I read disagrees with your take, too. I remember having read that the Pistons during halftime were furious that Thompson was making fools of themselves and decided to play the same type of defense the Knicks played on Wilt to stop him from getting to 100: Tripling and quadrupling him on every instance they could. It brought results, since Thompson only scored 6 in the 3rd quarter and the Pistons rallied back, eventually winning the game, despite Thompson getting hotter in the 4th.

EDIT: Obvious typo.

[Psileas]

That's too low, I think. Didn't Arenas score 60 once, or was that before the 81 game?

Kobe scored 60 and 65 the next season and also 61 in the 2009 season, as well.

[Psileas]

And yes, OP, some of us are really impressed by Wilt's 100 point game. We didn't just decide that 50 years is too cool of an anniversary to miss regardless of the impressiveness of a feat, and littered the internet with the news.

[Rake2204]

Obviously, I don't think anyone is required to be impressed by Wilt's 100 point performance. I think it's possible to be a tremendous fan of the game of basketball and still not be terribly interested in the history of the game. However, I think it's important to recognize context and maintain respect. 100 points in a single game is awesome to me, even if the guy who did it was light years ahead of his competition (which is a part of what makes it so awesome).

In truth, I'm not a fan of discounting NBA performances because they may not have occurred in modern day. For instance, not to open a can of worms, but I also respect Kobe Bryant's 81 point performance. But on the same hand I feel at some point, the game will evolve years - maybe decades - from now and arguments will develop against Kobe's performance just as they do now with Wilt's. To be clear, I think they'd be different arguments, but arguments nonetheless.

For instance, I am not as well versed as some of my fellow posters here in regards to Kobe's 81 point game. As such, I'm not entirely sure who spent the majority of the game trying to lock him up. I'd assume they tried all sorts of schemes, including zones. However, I don't believe players like Morris Peterson, Jalen Rose, Joey Graham, or Charlie Villanueva will ever go down in history as elite defenders. Further, that Raptors team finished 27-55.

Therefore, I reiterate the fact that I respect Kobe's performance and was extremely impressed by it. I'm just stating that the door seems open for folks to object to the authenticity of such an achievement the same way folks discount Wilt's game. To be truthful, I think it's better off just appreciating each performance for the amount of greatness showcased.

Earlier this year, I watched my middle-class-half-rural-half-suburban alma mater get lit up for 56 points by a real high school basketball player. The guy was clearly on another level. And on one hand, I could have easily discounted the performance with something like, "Okay, let's see what he does when he's playing in the Big 10". Instead, I just accepted it as a great performance, period. And that tends to be how I approach the Wilt and Kobe outbursts.

[sbw19]

And yes, OP, some of us are really impressed by Wilt's 100 point game. We didn't just decide that 50 years is too cool of an anniversary to miss regardless of the impressiveness of a feat, and littered the internet with the news.

It's convenient to find reasons to dismiss Wilt's 100. 'Soft rims', 6-9 defenders, different rules etc. But looking at the highest scoring games last 5 or 6 seasons, all by the same player, just proves it takes a special talent in addition to circumstances to score that many points.

[SpecialQue]

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[SpecialQue]

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[Pointguard]

Especially since there is no video footage of it and at the time the competition was not like it is today. Plus that team he played on when he scored a 100 pts did they win a title that year? Or was the highlight of that season the 100 point game? I mean who cares about a 50th anniversary of a game that is not on video? Anyone agree?

And no I don't think he is a top 4 center because he played in a weak era
I was going to say any real Sportsfan would... but then I looked at your screen-name. :lol

Any milestone in a sport you are enthusiastic about should hold your attention. Every player and every fan marvels over this feat in the sport. It's a huge number that other sports can't attain and is right about the average of what a team puts forth in the modern day. To score that prolifically seems dream like. To think that a big man could do it makes it more impressive. Automatic questions should fill your head if you are really into the sport. Did he move like a guard? What was his activity like? What was his go to move? Was he invincible like Shaq? From what parts of the floor did he score? Was he getting alley oops? Did he have to dribble a lot? What was the opposing team doing to stop him? How did they stop the circus? Where all the shots at close range? Was he creative with the rock?

Yeah I wanted to know all of that. I was more amazed at his 50ppg and 24 rebounds per game that year as to sustain those numbers were crazy: If Wilt had a 30 point 15 rebound game one day the next day he had to have a 70 point 35 rebound game to compensate for that horrific 30pt/15 rebound game. How did he sustain this in a season far more hectic than our current season in terms of conveniences and rest. I posted the radio cast of the 100point game here yesterday and nobody outside of a couple of guys that heard it before responded. True football fans would listen to a radiocast of Jim brown games done at the same time as Wilt's 100pt game, despite there being no great record Jim Brown has standing today. They make movies about Stan Musial and even Broadway plays about the Yankees, also, during this time. Basketball fans are a bit of a different breed.

[SpecialQue]

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[iDunk]

I'm more surprised he had enough arm strength to extend to the basket to lay it up that many times than the 100 points. All the footage I've seen of Wilt is him just extend his arm to the basket over like 4 white guys that are a good 3-6 inches shorter than him.

He was a great player, but in his era and his era only. If he played in today's era he would be a 10/10/2 guy.

[JellyBean]

Heck yeah. I aint about to lie. I am very impressed with Wilt's 100 point game.

[TheCorporation]

I think he took 21 FGA in the 4th quarter alone. That is insane.

[zizozain]

Regular season
Pts Player, Team Opponent Date
=== ============ ======== ====

100 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 3/2/1962
81 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Toronto 1/22/2006
78 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 12/8/1961 (3OT)
73 David Thompson, Denver Detroit 4/9/1978
73 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco New York 11/16/1962
73 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 1/13/1962
72 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 11/3/1962
71 David Robinson, San Antonio LA Clippers 4/24/1994
71 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers New York 11/15/1960
70 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Syracuse 3/10/1963
69 Michael Jordan, Chicago Cleveland 3/28/1990 (OT)
68 Pete Maravich, New Orleans New York 2/25/1977
68 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 12/16/1967
67 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 1/11/1963
67 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 2/25/1962
67 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 2/17/1962
67 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia New York 3/9/1961
66 Wilt Chamberlain, LA Lakers Phoenix 2/9/1969
65 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Portland 3/16/2007 (OT)
65 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 2/7/1966
65 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 2/27/1962
65 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Cincinnati 2/13/1962
64 Michael Jordan, Chicago Orlando 1/16/1993 (OT)
64 Rick Barry, Golden State Portland 3/26/1974
64 Elgin Baylor, Minneapolis Boston 11/8/1959
63 George Gervin, San Antonio New Orleans 4/9/1978
63 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Philadelphia 11/26/1964
63 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco LA Lakers 12/14/1962
63 Jerry West, LA Lakers New York 1/17/1962
63 Elgin Baylor, LA Lakers Philadelphia 12/8/1961 (3OT)
63 Joe Fulks, Philadelphia Indiana 2/10/1949
62 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Dallas 12/20/2005
62 Tracy McGrady, Orlando Washington 3/10/2004
62 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Philadelphia 3/3/1966
62 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 11/15/1964
62 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco New York 1/29/1963
62 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Syracuse 1/21/1962 (OT)
62 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 1/17/1962 (OT)
62 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Boston 1/14/1962
61 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers New York 2/2/2009
61 Shaquille O'Neal, LA Lakers LA Clippers 3/6/2000
61 Karl Malone, Utah Milwaukee 1/27/1990
61 Michael Jordan, Chicago Atlanta 4/16/1987
61 Michael Jordan, Chicago Detroit 3/4/1987 (OT)
61 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco St Louis 12/18/1962
61 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Syracuse 12/11/1962
61 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco Cincinnati 11/21/1962
61 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 2/28/1962
61 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia St Louis 2/22/1962
61 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Chicago 12/9/1961
61 George Mikan, Minneapolis Rochester 1/20/1952 (2OT)
60 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Memphis 3/22/2006
60 Gilbert Arenas, Washington LA Lakers 12/17/2006 (OT)
60 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia Orlando 2/12/2005
60 Tom Chambers, Phoenix Seattle 3/24/1990
60 Larry Bird, Boston Atlanta 3/12/1985
60 Bernard King, New York New Jersey 12/25/1984
60 Wilt Chamberlain, LA Lakers Cincinnati 1/26/1969
60 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 12/29/1961
60 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia LA Lakers 12/1/1961

[hawke812]

Especially since there is no video footage of it and at the time the competition was not like it is today. Plus that team he played on when he scored a 100 pts did they win a title that year? Or was the highlight of that season the 100 point game? I mean who cares about a 50th anniversary of a game that is not on video? Anyone agree?

And no I don't think he is a top 4 center because he played in a weak era

Same could be said of MJ and his watered down weak era.

[SpecialQue]

Same could be said of MJ and his watered down weak era.

I swear, for most people on here you'd think the only "strong" era started with the Kobe/Shaq 3-peat.

[SwooshReturns]

Same could be said of MJ and his watered down weak era.
You mean 1996 and 1997? Cause that is the only weak years of his entire career from a league wide talent perspective, due to the influx of new teams.

[I<3NBA]

I would like to sponsor an NBA game composed of "short, white players" vs Kobe and the Lakers. just an interesting experiment to see if Kobe could also put up 100.

[CavaliersFTW]

I would like to sponsor an NBA game composed of "short, white players" vs Kobe and the Lakers. just an interesting experiment to see if Kobe could also put up 100.

:facepalm

I get the sneaking suspicion you don't know anything about the 1961-62 New York Knicks, and quite possibly anything accurate about any players from the 1961-62 NBA season...

Tell me some things about the '62 Knicks - I wanna know about these "short white players" - why don't you enlighten us on how short they were relative to a modern NBA teams and give us an individual break-down of each player's profile. Don't forget to include the black players that were on that team as well.

:rolleyes:

[SwooshReturns]

Wilt was a stat stuffing loser who apart from the '69 and '72 seasons never made anyone better. All that innate ability, and such a loser. Word to Oscar Robertson.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt was a stat stuffing loser who apart from the '69 and '72 seasons never made anyone better. All that innate ability, and such a loser. Word to Oscar Robertson.

:sleeping

*FYI nobody cares about uneducated opinions*

[SwooshReturns]

*FYI nobody cares about uneducated opinions*
Was your mom a cocktail waitress who got pounded by Wilt or something?

Wilt's a known loser.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

when is that espn special on wilt?>

[CavaliersFTW]

when is that espn special on wilt?>

7pm eastern on NBAtv

[CavaliersFTW]

Was your mom a cocktail waitress who got pounded by Wilt or something?

Wilt's a known loser.

:mad: ........ <-------- you | me -------->...... :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

:mad: ........ <-------- you | me -------->...... :roll:
Why would he be mad?
He's right

[CavaliersFTW]

Why would he be mad?
He's right

:rolleyes: ..................................... :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

:rolleyes: ..................................... :oldlol:
Wilt is a known choker.
His coach even benched him the last 5 min of game 7 in the nba finals :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

I am a little too cruel to you CavaliersFTW aint I :lol

[Legends66NBA7]

Out of curiosity what's the highest scoring game by an NBA player since Kobe's 81?


That would be Kobe again, 65 points (OT) vs the Blazers in 2007.

If your looking for another player besides Kobe, Gilbert Arenas did 60 points (OT) vs the Lakers in 2007 (Kobe had 45 points that same night, I believe...)

[bwink23]

First of all, the '78 scoring title was at stake, second, scoring 52 by halftime meant that, in theory, he could go for Wilt's record, so it wouldn't make any sense to stop taking that many shots, especially since he was really hot - it wasn't like Gervin's night some hours later, when he jacked 49 shots in 33 minutes (yes, Gervin was en route to break Wilt's FGA in a game record).

The account I read disagrees with your take, too. I remember having read that the Pistons during halftime were furious that Thompson was making fools of themselves and decided to play the same type of defense the Knicks played on Wilt to stop him from getting to 100: Tripling and quadrupling him on every instance they could. It brought results, since Thompson only scored 6 in the 3rd quarter and the Pistons rallied back, eventually winning the game, despite Thompson getting hotter in the 4th.

EDIT: Obvious typo.



http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2009/04/thompsons-reluctant-73-point-game.html


That's the account i read...i assumed since he was reluctant, taking just 15 shots in the 2nd half (going 8 for 15, not exactly getting shut down), that he didn't care to keep the heat turned up....do yourself a favor, TAKE A PILL> :violin:

Here's the exert you're talking about:

http://www.nba.com/history/features/moment-1978-scoring-race/index.html

While your accounts are correct about the loading up of the defense, i'd like to pull this exert out of the article:

Here's some food for thought: It has been speculated that had I had the benefit of today's three-point line, my total would have been in the high 80s.

[Psileas]

http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2009/04/thompsons-reluctant-73-point-game.html


That's the account i read...i assumed since he was reluctant, taking just 15 shots in the 2nd half (going 8 for 15, not exactly getting shut down), that he didn't care to keep the heat turned up....do yourself a favor, TAKE A PILL> :violin:

The only account talking about reluctance was from Larry Brown, talking about a "reluctant 73", not even a "reluctant second half". I wouldn't call 15 or 23 shots in a single half being anything like reluctant, except if we compare it to Gervin who took 49 shots in 33 minutes. He did score incredibly efficiently, but, unless you're hacked all the time and you shoot 50 FT's, "reluctant 73" is an oxymoron. Or, at best, it doesn't equate to "reluctant game".


Here's the exert you're talking about:

http://www.nba.com/history/features/moment-1978-scoring-race/index.html

See, it's kind of hard to not to be "reluctant" if almost the whole team decides to focus its defense on you.


While your accounts are correct about the loading up of the defense, i'd like to pull this exert out of the article:

Here's some food for thought: It has been speculated that had I had the benefit of today's three-point line, my total would have been in the high 80s.


High 80's? :rolleyes: Had an analogous claim belonged to Wilt, you wouldn't have put it here as evidence, but as something to laugh at.
Sorry, but no. You don't get extra points by shooting from 15-18 feet, which was Thompson's favorite range when he wasn't driving to the hoop. He even claims himself that most of his shots were this kind of mid-range jumpers.
How exactly would he get to the "high 80's"? Would like 15 of his FGM's be 3-pointers? Would he be less "reluctant" and start shooting from the 3-point land, apart from the 38 shots he already had taken? Thompson never made more than 10 3-pointers in a single season, just to give you some perspective, and there has been no evidence that this game was an exception as to the range of his FGA's.

The same type of "speculation" existed for Pete Maravich's 68-point game, that if 3-point shots existed, he'd have 80. In reality, if you watch the shots, only 1-2 of them would count as 3's and, if we are generous, we could assume that, had the 3-point line existed, he'd make 2-3 more 3-point range shots that he actually made from around 20-22 feet. Of course, Maravich was a much better long-range shooter than Thompson ever was, and it's still an incredible to stretch to assume an 80-pointer.

[bwink23]

The only account talking about reluctance was from Larry Brown, talking about a "reluctant 73", not even a "reluctant second half". I wouldn't call 15 or 23 shots in a single half being anything like reluctant, except if we compare it to Gervin who took 49 shots in 33 minutes. He did score incredibly efficiently, but, unless you're hacked all the time and you shoot 50 FT's, "reluctant 73" is an oxymoron. Or, at best, it doesn't equate to "reluctant game".



See, it's kind of hard to not to be "reluctant" if almost the whole team decides to focus its defense on you.



High 80's? :rolleyes: Had an analogous claim belonged to Wilt, you wouldn't have put it here as evidence, but as something to laugh at.
Sorry, but no. You don't get extra points by shooting from 15-18 feet, which was Thompson's favorite range when he wasn't driving to the hoop. He even claims himself that most of his shots were this kind of mid-range jumpers.
How exactly would he get to the "high 80's"? Would like 15 of his FGM's be 3-pointers? Would he be less "reluctant" and start shooting from the 3-point land, apart from the 38 shots he already had taken? Thompson never made more than 10 3-pointers in a single season, just to give you some perspective, and there has been no evidence that this game was an exception as to the range of his FGA's.

The same type of "speculation" existed for Pete Maravich's 68-point game, that if 3-point shots existed, he'd have 80. In reality, if you watch the shots, only 1-2 of them would count as 3's and, if we are generous, we could assume that, had the 3-point line existed, he'd make 2-3 more 3-point range shots that he actually made from around 20-22 feet. Of course, Maravich was a much better long-range shooter than Thompson ever was, and it's still an incredible to stretch to assume an 80-pointer.


You can speculate on that all day until your blue in the face, i don't care one way or the other. Maybe he would have had more points with on shots that might have been 3's, who knows?? Did you watch the game yourself??

You sound so butthurt about it, you a Kobe stan or a Wilt stan??? :facepalm

[Psileas]

You can speculate on that all day until your blue in the face, i don't care one way or the other. Maybe he would have had more points with on shots that might have been 3's, who knows?? Did you watch the game yourself??

You sound so butthurt about it, you a Kobe stan or a Wilt stan???

Between 2+ speculations, I'll take the one that makes more sense to me, and the one that magically transforms Thompson into a deadly 3-point shooter doesn't cut it. What if I speculated that if the 3-point existed, Wilt would make more than 100 points? Would this be good enough a speculation for you?


Yeah, I give so many craps that a Jordan stan rates Thompson's game over Wilt's. I'll definitely get no sleep tonight...Please.

[bwink23]

Between 2+ speculations, I'll take the one that makes more sense to me, and the one that magically transforms Thompson into a deadly 3-point shooter doesn't cut it. What if I speculated that if the 3-point existed, Wilt would make more than 100 points? Would this be good enough a speculation for you?


Yeah, I give so many craps that a Jordan stan rates Thompson's game over Wilt's. I'll definitely get no sleep tonight...Please.


Who said i rated it over Wilt's?? :no:

[jlauber]

How about Chamberlain's 55 rebounds in one game? Oh, and BTW, it came against Bill Russell, and in that game, he only outrebounded Russell by a 55-19 margin (while outscoring him, 34-18.)

Of course, Wilt "wilted" in the post-season, and could only grab a high of 41 rebounds in a playoff game. Oh, and BTW, it came against Russell. Incidently, in that game, there were a TOTAL of 134 available rebounds (Chamberlain had 30% of them.) In addition, Chamberlain had Finals games of 38 rebounds against both Russell and Nate Thurmond. Or that Wilt averaged 32 rpg in the '67 ECF's, and against Russell (who averaged 23.4 rpg in that series.)

And thanks to PHILA, we now know that Wilt had TWO games in which he shot 18-18 from the floor (to go along with games of 15-15 and 16-16), and that, at one point in the '67 season, Chamberlain made 35 straight shots.

In Wilt's 100 point game, he also made 28-32 from the stripe.

And, thanks to CavsFan, we also know that Wilt had TWO DOUBLE-TRIPLE-DOUBLE games. In the well known one, Wilt scored 22 points, snagged 25 rebounds, and had 21 assists. CavsFan also found a game (against HOFer Walt Bellamy no less) in which Wilt scored 34 points, yanked down 33 rebounds, and had 20 blocks.

In Wilt's LAST 60+ point game, he hit 29 of his 35 FGAs, or .829 from the floor, which is the most efficient 60+ point game of all-time.

Chamberlain had a 24-32-13-12 QUAD-DOUBLE (on 8-13 shooting) in the playoffs, and against Russell. He had a 29-36-13-7 game clinching game in the '67 ECF's, and again, against Russell.

And how about his TRIPLE-DOUBLE game in the '68 season, in which he scored 53 points (on 24-29 shooting), with 32 rebounds, and dished out 14 assists? Or a DOUBLE-DOUBLE game of 78 points and 43 rebounds. Or his DOUBLE-DOUBLE game against Bellamy, in which Chamberlain scored 73 points, and pulled down 36 rebounds?

Or his nationally televised game in '68 in which he blocked a RECORDED 23 shots? Or his TRIPLE-DOUBLE playoff game against the Royals, in which he hung a 16-30-19 game (and those 19 assists tied a playoff record at the time)?

Or his 30-31 seven game playoff series, against Russell, in the '65 ECF's? Or his 22-32-10 playoff series, again against Russell, in the '67 ECF's?

Or Wilt "the choker" having THREE (of his four) 50+ point playoff games, in "must-win" situations? Or averaging a 38.6 ppg, 23.0 rpg, and on .559 shooting in a playoff series? Or putting up a 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, .625 seven game Finals series?

Just some food for thought...

[La Frescobaldi]

I would like to sponsor an NBA game composed of "short, white players" vs Kobe and the Lakers. just an interesting experiment to see if Kobe could also put up 100.

Last Wednesday as in 3 days ago:
Timberwolves 85
Lakers 104

Kobe's entire TEAM is 2 to 4 inches taller than the short, white Timberwolves team, except D Fisher..... plus the Lakers had 5 days off while it was the second game of a back2back for the Wolves, who didn't have their best player and were clearly out of gas. Should be easy as pie for Kobe to go 100.

And sure enough to me (a long-suffering Wolves fan since before KG was there) Kobe did scorch the Wolves: 11-23 fg 0-4 3pt 9-10 ft for 31 points

Of course, over half the Wolves team is un-short and un-white so that's not really fair, right? But let's see.....

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Then again, for that old '62 Knicks team to meet your requirement of "short, white players", we have to get rid of:
Sam Stith,
Phil Jordan,
Willie Naulls,
Johnnie Green, &
Cleveland Buckner
because all those guys were un-short and un-white.

Next, we have to bench
Darryl Imhoff, 6'10" {un-short}
Bill Smith 6'5" {too un-short to be a guard, because the Warriors guards were only 6'0"}
Richie Guerin 6'4" {too un-short to be a guard, because the Warriors guards were only 6'0"}

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So really, all the accounts of the Knicks triple, quadruple and quintuple teaming Wilt to keep him from scoring in the 4th quarter - those must just be lies. Right?

Because how do we explain your fact of "short, white players" when clearly the Knicks only had like 5 "short, white players" in the game - all of them bench-warmers?

They can't all guard Wilt and still foul the other Warriors to keep Wilt from getting the ball, that's impossible.

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So, not bad... in our little interesting experiment Kobe only has 69 points to go.......

but now I just don't get it anymore. Because when Kobe scored 81 on the Raptors, that team only had 3 guys that were "short, white players."

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Now I see why ISH got rid of neg. Because I'd have a line of red boxes stretching clear to the moon... due to my persistence of telling the truth about old-school basketball.

Have a great day though

[Psileas]

And thanks to PHILA, we now know that Wilt had TWO games in which he shot 18-18 from the floor (to go along with games of 15-15 and 16-16), and that, at one point in the '67 season, Chamberlain made 35 straight shots.


2 games? The known one is the 67th game of the '67 season. Which was the second? I do know of that 1964 game when he scored 38 points on 18-19 FG's in only 3 quarters. He had missed his first shot, then made his next 18. Maybe that's the one you're talking about.

[jlauber]

2 games? The known one is the 67th game of the '67 season. Which was the second? I do know of that 1964 game when he scored 38 points on 18-19 FG's in only 3 quarters. He had missed his first shot, then made his next 18. Maybe that's the one you're talking about.

Hmmm... I will have to pull up that article again, but I swore that it said he duplicated his 18-18 game in '67 with one in '64. Maybe you are right, and it was 18 straight. In the meantime, maybe PHILA can repost...

[jlauber]

2 games? The known one is the 67th game of the '67 season. Which was the second? I do know of that 1964 game when he scored 38 points on 18-19 FG's in only 3 quarters. He had missed his first shot, then made his next 18. Maybe that's the one you're talking about.

BTW, if I am indeed wrong, the "Lauber-bashers" will jump all over me for "embellishing" Wilt's resume.

[CelticBaller]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/6947212277_27c2036fe6.jpg
:oldlol: :bowdown: :applause:

[jlauber]

2 games? The known one is the 67th game of the '67 season. Which was the second? I do know of that 1964 game when he scored 38 points on 18-19 FG's in only 3 quarters. He had missed his first shot, then made his next 18. Maybe that's the one you're talking about.

I know that PHILA posted this same article here before, and maybe I am misunderstanding it, but here it is...

http://forums.*********.com/forums/index.php?topic=67313.15

"Wilt Chamberlain TIED a single game record by making all 18 of his field-goal attempts as he scored 42 points and led the Philadelphia 76ers past Baltimore 149-118 in a National Basketball Association game.

Chamberlain, who TIED his own mark set in the 1963-64 season, also moved within one of his record 32 straight field goals set earlier this season. His present string was started against Cincinnati Feb. 17 and also covers the St. Louis game Feb. 19."

[Jotaro Durant]

no put kaj in 60's he would have at least three

[jlauber]

no put kaj in 60's he would have at least three

If you mean Kareem would have three...NO WAY!

Kareem came into the NBA in 1969. He faced several of the same centers that Wilt faced in the 60's, even a washed-up Darrell Imhoff (who was one of the THREE centers that Chamberlain murdered is his 100 point game.)

In Wilt's 61-62 season, he averaged 50.4 ppg in a league that averaged 118.8 ppg.

Kareem's BEST scoring season came in his 71-72 season, at 34.8 ppg (and playing 44.2 mpg BTW), in a league that scored 110.2 ppg.

And, BTW, Kareem's career HIGH game was 55 points.

Furthermore, how about this... in Wilt's 68-69 season, in a year in which he averaged 14 FGAs per game, Chamberlain hung TWO 60+ point games on the NBA, 60 against Connie Dierking, and 66 against Jim Fox, AND, Kareem came into the league the very next season. Kareem faced BOTH of those guys in his NBA career...where are his 60+ games against them.

And a PRIME Chamberlain hung TWO games of 58 and 52 on Willis Reed. Kareem faced Reed many times...where is his 58 point game against him?

And a PRIME Chamberlain had THREE games of 60+ points against Walt Bellamy, including a 73-36 game. Kareem battled "Bells" many times...where are his 60+ point games against him?

Hell, a PRIME "scoring" Chamberlain only faced Nate Thurmond in a dozen games (after that Wilt dramatically cut back his shooting), and yet had four games of 34, 34, 38, and 45 against him. Kareem faced Thurmond in some 50 H2H games in their careers, and his HIGH game was 34 points.

I believe a prime Kareem, transported to 61-62, and playing in considerably worse conditions, and with a much more brutal schedule, could have averaged around 40 ppg, but it would have been on a much lower efficiency. NO WAY he comes close to 50 though.

[CavaliersFTW]

no put kaj in 60's he would have at least three
Kareem Abdul Jabbar played in the NBA from 1969 to 1989, and in his illustrious twenty NBA seasons his highest point total was 55. He had 9 other 50+ point efforts - all with the Milwaukee Bucks.

It's 1969. Kareem is in the league now. With Wilt's age plus his reduced offensive assignments on his teams a misguided story circulates that suggested he isn't capable of scoring anymore. Wilt hangs a 60 point game against the Royals on January 26th 1969 followed by a 66 point game against the Phoenix Suns on February 9th 1969.

Figure that one out.

P.S. Wilt reached the half-century mark one-hundred and eight more times than Kareem did.

[bwink23]

Kareem's highest scoring game ever was a 61 point effort at UCLA in the 1960's

He played in the NBA from 1969 to 1989, and in his illustrious twenty NBA seasons his highest point total was 55. He had 9 other 50+ point efforts - all with the Milwaukee Bucks.

It's 1969. Kareem is in the league now. With Wilt's age plus his different roles on his teams (less focused on scoring) a story circulates that suggests he isn't capable of scoring anymore. Wilt hangs a 60 point game against the Royals on January 26th 1969 followed by a 66 point game against the Phoenix Suns on February 9th 1969.

Figure that one out.

P.S. Wilt reached the half-century mark one-hundred and eight more times than Kareem did.


Keep owning these young, ignorant-ass, snot-nosed fools....:pimp:

[jlauber]

Kareem Abdul Jabbar played in the NBA from 1969 to 1989, and in his illustrious twenty NBA seasons his highest point total was 55. He had 9 other 50+ point efforts - all with the Milwaukee Bucks.

It's 1969. Kareem is in the league now. With Wilt's age plus his reduced offensive assignments on his teams a misguided story circulates that suggested he isn't capable of scoring anymore. Wilt hangs a 60 point game against the Royals on January 26th 1969 followed by a 66 point game against the Phoenix Suns on February 9th 1969.

Figure that one out.

P.S. Wilt reached the half-century mark one-hundred and eight more times than Kareem did.

And Wilt, who supposedly "wilted" in the post-season, also held a 4-0 edge in playoff games of 50+ points, too. BTW, THREE of those four came in "must-win" elimination games, too, including one 50-35 game against Russell.