Clippers pursue Ray Allen, Lakers and Rockets pursue Paul Pierce

[Clippersfan86]

If Clippers got Allen he would be an INCREDIBLE fit. He would get a sh** load of wide open jumpers like he's never gotten in his career with the doubles Griffin+CP3 draw. Wonder if Celtics will part with him.

I think Pierce would be an excellent fit for the Rockets but not ideal next to Kobe for the Lakers. Mainly because Kobe and Pierce both love the ball and are primary playmakers. I don't think with their egos/rivalry they would be willing to submit to each other the way Lebron/Wade have.

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/03/01/ray-allen-reportedly-drawing-interest-from-clippers-paul-pierce-from-clippers-lakers-rockets/

[Myth]

If Clippers got Allen he would be an INCREDIBLE fit. He would get a sh** load of wide open jumpers like he's never gotten in his career with the doubles Griffin+CP3 draw. Wonder if Celtics will part with him.


Yeah, because Allen never got open jumpers playing with those scrub Celtics :facepalm

Your homerism never ceases to amaze me.

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah, because Allen never got open jumpers playing with those scrub Celtics :facepalm

Your homerism never ceases to amaze me.

Are you going to try to pretend that aging Pierce+Garnett draw the defensive attention of Griffin+CP3 :facepalm ? Your ignorance is entertaining to me quite frankly. I've actually not seen a single Garnett double team since he was in Minnesota really. Griffin gets immediate doubles once he catches the ball and CP3's penetration to the paint draws an ENTIRE defense in a way Pierce/Garnett cannot.

Regardless Ray Allen would be a perfect fit for this team. Tons of open shots.

[Clippersfan86]

Sports Illustrated

[B]"The Los Angeles Clippers are considered a frontrunner to land Allen, should Danny Ainge and the Celtics choose to deal him. The Clips have an opening at the shooting guard position with the season-ending injury to Chauncey Billups, and Allen

[RazorBaLade]

Lakers would probably turn down trading a 1st round pick for paul pierce

[REACTION]

I wonder who the Clippers would have to give up for Ray.

[Myth]

Are you going to try to pretend that aging Pierce+Garnett draw the defensive attention of Griffin+CP3 :facepalm ? Your ignorance is entertaining to me quite frankly. I've actually not seen a single Garnett double team since he was in Minnesota really. Griffin gets immediate doubles once he catches the ball and CP3's penetration to the paint draws an ENTIRE defense in a way Pierce/Garnett cannot.

Regardless Ray Allen would be a perfect fit for this team. Tons of open shots.

You do realize that the Celtics won a championship, right? I don't care if they were aging, that team was great and well rounded, which got Allen tons of open shots. Griffin and Paul may allow for Allen to get more open looks now than the current Celtics, but to say the Clippers will get Allen more open shots than the champion Celtics did, that is true ignorance.

[Clippersfan86]

I wonder who the Clippers would have to give up for Ray.

That's the tricky part. Obviously Celtics want more than future 1st and Bledsoe for example. I don't think Celtics want anything we have besides players we won't trade like DJ+Griffin+CP3. Celtics would have to basically cap shed for our TPE and take a pick or two.

[Whoah10115]

Ray Allen does play with that Rondo fella.



And KG definitely attracted double teams his first couple years in Boston.

[AirTupac]

Do not want Pierce, I don't care.

[Clippersfan86]

You do realize that the Celtics won a championship, right? I don't care if they were aging, that team was great and well rounded, which got Allen tons of open shots. Griffin and Paul may allow for Allen to get more open looks now than the current Celtics, but to say the Clippers will get Allen more open shots than the champion Celtics did, that is true ignorance.

How is it true ignorance? Playing with an even better playmaking PG who's better at penetrating the lane and drawing the defense. Playing with Griffin who commands nonstop doubles. Playing with multiple shooters who can't be left open such as Butler/Williams. Reality is the Clippers have way more offensive firepower and talent than the Celtics and yes that includes their 08 title team.

The Celtics teams strength was their legendary defense. Offensively these Clippers have a lot more upside and as I said their two superstars draw more defenders than Pierce/KG did even in 08.

[devin112]

Lakers would probably turn down trading a 1st round pick for paul pierce

Playoff teams don't get good draft position, you're overvaluing both the Lakers picks(theirs and the Mavs).

[Clippersfan86]

Ray Allen does play with that Rondo fella.



And KG definitely attracted double teams his first couple years in Boston.

I've been watching KG since his rookie year in Minnesota. He has not typically been a player you double a lot. Why? Because he doesn't score in the paint. Most of his buckets come on the jumper or the high post, similar to a player such as Aldridge or Nowitzki.

Griffin is a completely different animal and even as a rookie... drew at least 3 times more double teams than prime KG in Minnesota in any given season. If you don't understand the difference in which defenders/coaches play a dominant player in the deep paint vs one who plays 18 feet out.. you need to follow a different sport.

[The Real JW]

Imagine Pierce and Allen both going to LA and leading the Clippers to a championship. :applause:

CP3/Allen/Pierce/Griffin/DJ and Kenyon/Reggie/Simmons/Chauncey off the bench.

[Myth]

How is it true ignorance? Playing with an even better playmaking PG who's better at penetrating the lane and drawing the defense. Playing with Griffin who commands nonstop doubles. Playing with multiple shooters who can't be left open such as Butler/Williams. Reality is the Clippers have way more offensive firepower and talent than the Celtics and yes that includes their 08 title team.

The Celtics teams strength was their legendary defense. Offensively these Clippers have a lot more upside and as I said their two superstars draw more defenders than Pierce/KG did even in 08.

Paul and Griffin may have more individual talent on the offensive end then KG/Pierce, but the Celtics were better at team ball as a whole on offense. There was more ball movement which led to more confusion of the defense. Paul and Griffin play a great 2-man game, but that doesn't open things up as much as the team play of the Celtics.

[devin112]

CP3 is a crazy smart and is a great passer, but truth be told, the Celtics run better offensive sets. I'm not so sure if he'll get a ton of better looks. Clippers perimeter passing is a lot better this year, they really pass the ball around looking for the open man.

[Clippersfan86]

Paul and Griffin may have more individual talent on the offensive end then KG/Pierce, but the Celtics were better at team ball as a whole on offense. There was more ball movement which led to more confusion of the defense. Paul and Griffin play a great 2-man game, but that doesn't open things up as much as the team play of the Celtics.

Maybe I'm underestimating the ball movement of the Celtics at that time because they were a very unselfish team. Maybe more accurately.... the Clippers would be the most offensively gifted/highest upside team he's played on and a superb fit. I don't see the need to compare to the incredible 08 Celtics.

I just think the inside/out 2 man game the Clippers offer will open things up for Allen a bit more than what Boston has fielded the last few seasons.

[Myth]

The Celtics teams strength was their legendary defense.

Also, just in case you were not aware, good defense often leads to easy buckets on offense. There has been a ridiculous amount of times where the Celtics got out on the break because of their defense, and when the opponents stop the fast break lay up, the Celtics would hit a trailing Ray for the wide open 3. That element certainly cannot be overlooked.

[Clippersfan86]

CP3 is a crazy smart and is a great passer, but truth be told, the Celtics run better offensive sets. I'm not so sure if he'll get a ton of better looks. Clippers perimeter passing is a lot better this year, they really pass the ball around looking for the open man.

You know this is a great point. I forgot we do have Vinny as our coach vs Doc Rivers.... forget what I said... Allen will have a career worst year playing with Vinny. :oldlol: . The guy literally can't run anything. Unless our players are carrying us... we don't win because Vinny sure as hell sets this team up for failure.

[qrich]

Bledsoe + Foye + Gomes + Protection Taken off pic

[Myth]

Maybe I'm underestimating the ball movement of the Celtics at that time because they were a very unselfish team. Maybe more accurately.... the Clippers would be the most offensively gifted/highest upside team he's played on and a superb fit. I don't see the need to compare to the incredible 08 Celtics.

I just think the inside/out 2 man game the Clippers offer will open things up for Allen a bit more than what Boston has fielded the last few seasons.

Yeah, as I said, it will be easier than what Ray is getting now on the Celtics. I'd also agree that the Clippers have tons of upside and talent on offense. They are just a more immature team at the moment, but given the right coaching and if the team functions more as a 5 man unit, their offense could be deadly (with or without Ray, but especially with Ray).

[Clippersfan86]

Bledsoe + Foye + Gomes + Protection Taken off pic

Bledsoe+Foye+1st rounder might work? NOBODY in the NBA wants Gomes though. It's a disrespect to any team if we even offer him.

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah, as I said, it will be easier than what Ray is getting now on the Celtics. I'd also agree that the Clippers have tons of upside and talent on offense. They are just a more immature team at the moment, but given the right coaching and if the team functions more as a 5 man unit, their offense could be deadly (with or without Ray, but especially with Ray).

:cheers: . I just thought about it.. and I think Boston would request Mo Williams+ a pick. You guys think Clippers should/would do that? Williams is putting up like 13.5 off the bench as a great although bit inconsistent 6th man. He wants to stay long term and there is no guarantee Ray stays.

[devin112]

Clippers offensive scheme is run pick and roll to death and pass the ball around to find the open man. Even when we had Novak, I really didn't see any plays set up for him to get open looks. Allen needs double picks, Evans and Martin can set good picks but Blake really sucks at setting good picks. He's constantly slipping(dive to rim) instead of screening. DeAndre is only good for dunks and blocks. Caron doesn't even get a lot of open looks. Teams leave Foye open a lot though. You know what though, when we had Billups everyone was getting open looks. Maybe the passing was better or it was crazy tough for teams to deal with so many good shooters out there.

No doubt CP is a better playmaker though. Not sure how it'll play out though, who knows.

[RazorBaLade]

Playoff teams don't get good draft position, you're overvaluing both the Lakers picks(theirs and the Mavs).

It was a little joke after realizing our glorious 1st round picks (aka, shit as you have described) were held on instead of getting us Sessions and Beasley.. Which is now confirmed that its the lakers side that turned it down.

sigh

[Clippersfan86]

Clippers offensive scheme is run pick and roll to death and pass the ball around to find the open man. Even when we had Novak, I really didn't see any plays set up for him to get open looks. Allen needs double picks, Evans and Martin can set good picks but Blake really sucks at setting good picks. He's constantly slipping(dive to rim) instead of screening. DeAndre is only good for dunks and blocks. Caron doesn't even get a lot of open looks. Teams leave Foye open a lot though. You know what though, when we had Billups everyone was getting open looks. Maybe the passing was better or it was crazy tough for teams to deal with so many good shooters out there.

No doubt CP is a better playmaker though. Not sure how it'll play out though, who knows.

I think the key issue here is Vinny. I could honestly see Allen speaking up about the poor coaching considering he's coming from Doc's offense and the Celtics great schemes. His standards are probably very high.

[Trentknicks]

lol, Clippers are frontrunners for Allen? Just like JR Smith and every other half decent free agent clippersfan could think of

[yobore]

Clips focus should be entirely on their defense right now. They will become an offensive juggernaut without any external improvements with Griffin improving his mid-range shot and Paul continuing his development with the team. They need a defensive specialist badly. Someone like Mbah a Moute or James Johnson who can cover bigger perimeter guys, they were totally helpless vs that Beasley/Derrick Williams onslaught and will be against Durant in the playoffs

[Myth]

:cheers: . I just thought about it.. and I think Boston would request Mo Williams+ a pick. You guys think Clippers should/would do that? Williams is putting up like 13.5 off the bench as a great although bit inconsistent 6th man. He wants to stay long term and there is no guarantee Ray stays.

I think it completely depends on what the Clippers think they'd get out of the draft.

Ray is a win now move, and the Clippers should be good for a long time, so if they don't win a chip in the next 2-3 years with Ray, it would eventually look like a bad move. Mo has been quite serviceable as it is, and it is expected to be a deep draft, so you never know what that pick could be. So, it ultimately comes down to: Does Ray put them over the top and does that pick have a chance of improving the team long term while Mo fills in until that pick potentially pays off.

[devin112]

It was a little joke after realizing our glorious 1st round picks (aka, shit as you have described) were held on instead of getting us Sessions and Beasley.. Which is now confirmed that its the lakers side that turned it down.

sigh

My bad dude, I live in LA and I listen to the talk shows and EVERYBODY thinks they can trade those pics, luke ****ing walton, and artest for AS players.

[Clippersfan86]

lol, Clippers are frontrunners for Allen? Just like JR Smith and every other half decent free agent clippersfan could think of

Yes because I completely made this up to get attention and didn't include the article. Maybe you're just having trouble accepting that the Clippers are working their as*es off to improve and being extremely active.

http://tracking.si.com/2012/03/01/report-celtics-paul-pierce-ray-allen-rumored-in-potential-trades/

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/03/01/ray-allen-reportedly-drawing-interest-from-clippers-paul-pierce-from-clippers-lakers-rockets/


Here you go champ. Many more available.

[qrich]

Bledsoe+Foye+1st rounder might work? NOBODY in the NBA wants Gomes though. It's a disrespect to any team if we even offer him.

Can't trade any firsts iirc due to the one we owe Boston.

I'd deal Mo + Bleds for Allen personally, especially if we can than swap TPE + 2nd for Livingston.

CP3 - Allen - Butler - Griffin - Jordan
Livingston - Foye - Simmons - Gomes - Evans - Martin - Thompkins
Leslie in D-League, Cook Inactive

[Clippersfan86]

I think it completely depends on what the Clippers think they'd get out of the draft.

Ray is a win now move, and the Clippers should be good for a long time, so if they don't win a chip in the next 2-3 years with Ray, it would eventually look like a bad move. Mo has been quite serviceable as it is, and it is expected to be a deep draft, so you never know what that pick could be. So, it ultimately comes down to: Does Ray put them over the top and does that pick have a chance of improving the team long term while Mo fills in until that pick potentially pays off.

Well it would be a future pick. Boston has our draft pick for this year. My concern is... Mo is here another year after this (he said he's picking up player option most likely) where as Ray only has a few months left on deal. If he walks we would be hurt bad.

[devin112]

lol, Clippers are frontrunners for Allen? Just like JR Smith and every other half decent free agent clippersfan could think of

It's not his opinion, it's in the article u retard.

[chazzy]

Didn't Sherrod just say say Rasheed is signing with the Lakers a week ago? I'd wait for a better source.

[Clippersfan86]

Clips focus should be entirely on their defense right now. They will become an offensive juggernaut without any external improvements with Griffin improving his mid-range shot and Paul continuing his development with the team. They need a defensive specialist badly. Someone like Mbah a Moute or James Johnson who can cover bigger perimeter guys, they were totally helpless vs that Beasley/Derrick Williams onslaught and will be against Durant in the playoffs

I agree. Priority should be a shutdown defender at the 2 spot.. but those are very rare man. Not exactly easy to get those types of players... since they are so coveted by their teams. It would be much easier to get somebody like Ray Allen than Tony Allen for example.

[devin112]

Well it would be a future pick. Boston has our draft pick for this year. My concern is... Mo is here another year after this (he said he's picking up player option most likely) where as Ray only has a few months left on deal. If he walks we would be hurt bad.

I remember MO saying that before the season, when he thought he was going to be a starter. Has he said that since being our 6th man?

[Clippersfan86]

Didn't Sherrod just say say Rasheed is signing with the Lakers a week ago? I'd wait for a better source.

Wait... Sheed never signed officially? I thought that was a done deal :facepalm

[Myth]

Well it would be a future pick. Boston has our draft pick for this year. My concern is... Mo is here another year after this (he said he's picking up player option most likely) where as Ray only has a few months left on deal. If he walks we would be hurt bad.

In that case, I don't think Boston does it. They're better off with a 1st rounder from the Clippers now rather than later, and Ray Allen's contract is better than Mo's.

[Clippersfan86]

I remember MO saying that before the season, when he thought he was going to be a starter. Has he said that since being our 6th man?

Not since... but I do know he loves this team and where we are going. Olshey said Mo told him he would rather be here winning as a 6th man... with this team he loves than on a bad team as a starter. So unless any other near future contenders or current contenders can afford him.. he doesn't have many choices without taking a huge paycut.

Besides I doubt he can make 9 mill anywhere else. He would be stupid to NOT pick up his option.

[Clippersfan86]

In that case, I don't think Boston does it.

I'm doubtful too but thought worth posting because it's interesting to think about and cool that Clippers are smart enough to pursue a great fit like Allen.

[BGriffin's Dad]

do it Olshey

http://i.imgur.com/YPqmM.jpg

LAL: Rondo, Kobe, Turkoglu, McBob/Rasheed, Dwight
LAC: CP3, Allen, Pierce, Griffin, DJ
ORL: Jameer, JRich, Butler, Gasol, O'Neal
BOS: Mo Will, Redick, Pietrus/Ebanks, Garnett, Bynum

[devin112]

Plenty of NBA players think they can do better and test the market. But if he opts out, he'll be stuck.

Doesn't really matter right now tho, lets get back to Allen.

[Clippersfan86]

do it Olshey

http://i.imgur.com/YPqmM.jpg

LAL: Rondo, Kobe, Turkoglu, McBob/Rasheed, Dwight
LAC: CP3, Allen, Pierce, Griffin, DJ
ORL: Jameer, JRich, Butler, Gasol, O'Neal
BOS: Mo Will, Redick, Pietrus/Ebanks, Garnett, Bynum

:roll: . We can all dream right? Clippers with

CP3
Allen
Pierce
Griffin
Jordan

would be an unstoppable juggernaut of a team.

[Xiao Yao You]

Priority should be a shutdown defender at the 2 spot.. but those are very rare man. Not exactly easy to get those types of players... since they are so coveted by their teams.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7uzb8ss

[qrich]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7uzb8ss

:oldlol:

Raja Bell isn't worth both Bledsoe and Leslie.

Shall we throw in Blake Griffin for CJ Miles as well

[AMISTILLILL]

I suggest almost any team should do this but I think, more than anyone, James Posey would work best coming off the bench for the Clippers. They should sign the dude, for real.

[alenleomessi]

Can't trade any firsts iirc due to the one we owe Boston.

I'd deal Mo + Bleds for Allen personally, especially if we can than swap TPE + 2nd for Livingston.

CP3 - Allen - Butler - Griffin - Jordan
Livingston - Foye - Simmons - Gomes - Evans - Martin - Thompkins
Leslie in D-League, Cook Inactive
how about foye for livingston i think the bucks will accept

[UtahJazzFan88]

Shall we throw in Blake Griffin for CJ Miles as well

Yes.

[Clippersfan86]

Yes.

Millsap is the greatest PF though! How will Griffin get any playing time? :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Raja Bell isn't worth both Bledsoe and Leslie.

Jazz throw in Tomic/picks to make it work than.


Shall we throw in Blake Griffin for CJ Miles as well

Sure if you can make it work in the trade machine I guess.

[qrich]

Yes.

On the real, what would you guys want for CJ?



how about foye for livingston i think the bucks will accept


I'd do it if the Clips deal Mo Gotti somewhere, I'd do it.

Delfino is another Buck I'd love to acquire



Jazz throw in Tomic/picks to make it work than.



First this year and done

[Xiao Yao You]

Millsap is the greatest PF though! How will Griffin get any playing time?

Millsap can play the 3 or come off the bench or be trade bait.

[Xiao Yao You]

On the real, what would you guys want for CJ?

Not much. Trade exception probably works. 2nd round pick. He would make sense for the Clipps. He colud start..

[Force]

Clips have 2 trade exceptions they can use right?

Landing Allen would be a huge move. Mo would no doubt be part of that deal. Sounds too good to be true though, seems like Ray Allen should be able to land something nice in return, plus he's an expirer.

[JohnnySic]

If the C's trade Allen's expirer they'd better get something better than Mo Williams...

[CelticBaller]

Lakers pursuing pierce? bullshit

[JohnnySic]

Pierce in LA would be the Kobe/Shaq thing all over again. Unlike the all the pushovers Kobe has played with since Shaq left town, PP is too strong willed to subserviate himself.

[blablabla]

Why would the Celtics trade Allen to the Clippers they are much better off just letting his contract expire.

[bluechox2]

i can see a lottery team wanting pierces 3 year cotract knowing he will stay put, they can try and be competitive and a first rounder would be pretty good, even 2

[SpecialQue]

I was out of the loop all day yesterday due to work, so I was shocked when I heard about this during the Clippers game last night. Ray on the Clippers would be amazing.

I'm too used to hating Pierce to want him on the Lakers though, especially if it meant getting rid of Gasol, my favorite player on that team.

[All Net]

Pierce? Highly doubtful...

[christian1923]

knicks need to get ray ray!

We need a shooter in the starting lineup!

[Real Men Wear Green]

Maybe I'm underestimating the ball movement of the Celtics at that time because they were a very unselfish team. Maybe more accurately.... the Clippers would be the most offensively gifted/highest upside team he's played on and a superb fit. I don't see the need to compare to the incredible 08 Celtics.

I just think the inside/out 2 man game the Clippers offer will open things up for Allen a bit more than what Boston has fielded the last few seasons.
Ray Allen is hitting 48.6% of his threes at the age of 36, but of course you think that the Clippers will get him more open. Seeing as you clearly don't know what you're talking about allow me to inform you of the fact that the Celtics run plays to get Allen open. Understand that having a teammate attract a double is not the only way for a player o get open, especially not a guy like Ray Allen who no one is going to double off of. Chris Paul is a better overall player than Rondo because of his shooting ability but as a passer Rondo is his equal and within the Celtics offense Rondo as well as Pierce and KG consistently find Ray Allen coming off of his screens.

The smartest thing you said in this thread was that you wouldn't compare the current Clips to the 08Celtics after your "the Clippers would be the most offensively gifted/highest upside team he's played on" line. And it still didn't make any sense.

[Ol Dirty Bastard]

Would be great to see Allen with the Clippers. I've been a huge fan of Ray Allen over the years and agree he would fit well with LA, but I doubt this happens.

[I.R.Beast]

CP3 is a crazy smart and is a great passer, but truth be told, the Celtics run better offensive sets. I'm not so sure if he'll get a ton of better looks. Clippers perimeter passing is a lot better this year, they really pass the ball around looking for the open man.
the clippers offense is PnR and cp3 dribbling around the whole court..i dont see how ray allen gets better looks there than he does in boston.

[niko]

PLease make both trades saturday night so sunday the celts will have 6 players on the team.

thanks

[Darius]

Ray Allen is hitting 48.6% of his threes at the age of 36, but of course you think that the Clippers will get him more open. Seeing as you clearly don't know what you're talking about allow me to inform you of the fact that the Celtics run plays to get Allen open. Understand that having a teammate attract a double is not the only way for a player o get open, especially not a guy like Ray Allen who no one is going to double off of. Chris Paul is a better overall player than Rondo because of his shooting ability but as a passer Rondo is his equal and within the Celtics offense Rondo as well as Pierce and KG consistently find Ray Allen coming off of his screens.

The smartest thing you said in this thread was that you wouldn't compare the current Clips to the 08Celtics after your "the Clippers would be the most offensively gifted/highest upside team he's played on" line. And it still didn't make any sense.

This man makes good points.

[ballinhun8]

The homerism in cf86 is ridiculous in this thread.



I've been watching KG since he came to Boston and even at his current age can set much better picks then Griffin could ever do.


Doc makes plays to get Ray open. From the baseline, top of the key, backdoor, everything I wish Thibs would have used with Korver but he just isn't as talented.


But to say he'll have more open looks just cuz he could be in a Clipper uniform, just stupidity and ignorant. Like RMWG, almost 49% from 3, and its not like he is shooting over double teams like mo gotti would.

[Optimus Prime]

If Clippers got Allen he would be an INCREDIBLE fit. He would get a sh** load of wide open jumpers like he's never gotten in his career with the doubles Griffin+CP3 draw. Wonder if Celtics will part with him.

I think Pierce would be an excellent fit for the Rockets but not ideal next to Kobe for the Lakers. Mainly because Kobe and Pierce both love the ball and are primary playmakers. I don't think with their egos/rivalry they would be willing to submit to each other the way Lebron/Wade have.

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/03/01/ray-allen-reportedly-drawing-interest-from-clippers-paul-pierce-from-clippers-lakers-rockets/

smh clippers bandwagoners...

[niko]

Spurs should get Garnett. I think that could win them a title.

[Optimus Prime]

do it Olshey

http://i.imgur.com/YPqmM.jpg

LAL: Rondo, Kobe, Turkoglu, McBob/Rasheed, Dwight
LAC: CP3, Allen, Pierce, Griffin, DJ
ORL: Jameer, JRich, Butler, Gasol, O'Neal
BOS: Mo Will, Redick, Pietrus/Ebanks, Garnett, Bynum

Wow I actually love this trade for the Lakers. Gasol and Bynum for Howard and Rondo? Yes please! Too bad itll never happen for numerous reasons...

[hawkfan]

Randy Foye, Ryan Gomes and a lottery protected first round pick for Ray Allen.

But this would make the Clippers a lot older.

[Eric Cartman]

If Clippers got Allen he would be an INCREDIBLE fit. He would get a sh** load of wide open jumpers like he's never gotten in his career with the doubles Griffin+CP3 draw. Wonder if Celtics will part with him.

I think Pierce would be an excellent fit for the Rockets but not ideal next to Kobe for the Lakers. Mainly because Kobe and Pierce both love the ball and are primary playmakers. I don't think with their egos/rivalry they would be willing to submit to each other the way Lebron/Wade have.

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/03/01/ray-allen-reportedly-drawing-interest-from-clippers-paul-pierce-from-clippers-lakers-rockets/

Ur really dumb or a moron.

[niko]

knicks need to get ray ray!

We need a shooter in the starting lineup!
yes, let's trade half our team for Ray instead of just moving JR to the starting lineup.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

If Ray goes to the Clippers I want Reggie Evans back, and no part of Mo Williams. And a first rounder. And some other players.

[Bigsmoke]

anybody to get Randy Foye away from the starting lineup is good for the Clippers.

Caron Butler is falling back as well.

they should bring in Ray Allen to whatever.

[Droid101]

Need to make this a three team trade with the Lakers, Clippers and Celtics.

If the Lakers can get Mo Williams and Paul Pierce and a replacement PF for Pau Gasol, it's a no brainer.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

It was a little joke after realizing our glorious 1st round picks (aka, shit as you have described) were held on instead of getting us Sessions and Beasley.. Which is now confirmed that its the lakers side that turned it down.

sigh
It's hard to believe so I don't believe it lol.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Ur really dumb or a moron.
What's the difference?

[Whoah10115]

Wow I actually love this trade for the Lakers. Gasol and Bynum for Howard and Rondo? Yes please! Too bad itll never happen for numerous reasons...



Of course you love this trade for the Lakers. You give up a player who doesn't play, the 2nd best C in the league, the 2nd best PF in the league, and get a top 5 PG at your useless position, along with a strong SF (who can play the 4) at your other useless position, and you upgrade from 2nd best center to top 5 player.



The Clippers are also stealing.



And the Orlando Magic give up the best player (and still give up Reddick for some reason), to get the worst return...Pau Gasol and...seriously? That's it. That 's terrible (I know it's not your trade but I am too lazy).

[Celtic_Pride]

This is not happening.

I know it is every contenders wet dream to have Ray on their side. But what can Clippers offer really?

Their first round pick (top 10 protected) is with us and it will remain with us since Clippers wont be a lottery team.

Celtics wont be needing Bledsoe because we have got Bradley and Mo Williams 2 month rental doesn't make sense.

This is not happening atleast with the Clippers. Keep on dreaming Clipperfan!

[Fiasco]

Ray Allen's 3 point shooting % would fall down to .400 in Vinny Del Negro's current system (or lack thereof).

[Pushxx]

The Clippers have literally nothing the Celtics would want for Ray Allen.

Unless the Clippers want to trade CP3, DJ, or Griffin LOLOL

They can't even offer more than a 1st round pick in 2013 which would be a mid-late 1st rounder anyway.

[Killbot]

Ray is not going to put Clippers to the top because of Vinny Del Negro. Terrible, terrible coach.

[swi7ch]

what about KG? is he that washed-up that nobody's pursuing him?

[Jakeh008]

Lakers should go for rondo allen rather then pierce

[blablabla]

what about KG? is he that washed-up that nobody's pursuing him?
20million dollar contract there are no players you could trade for him

[REACTION]

Any new Boston news?

[spiegel]

For us we'll most likely have to giveup Kevin Martin, Chase Budinger (or most likely Parsons instead of Budinger but the rockets love this kid so who knows?) Jordan Hill or Pat patterson and fillers like a Flynn for Pierce.

Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee
Paul Pierce
Luis Scola
Samuel Dalembert.....

The Rockets are allready a top5 in the standings in the west so with the leadership Paul Brings to the tabel we could endup in the top 3 or 4 seeds.Lowry and Lee hard nosed defenders who can score if needed , Pierce is still a very good scorer and Scola is a good scorer. Dalembert is alot better then i thought he'll be so he is a big body who can block shots and score.

This trade will help the Celtics only if They also Trade Allen so KM can replace him at the 2 guard.

[gyu]

Pierce is getting old do we really want him?? :confusedshrug:

[spiegel]

If we want to get past the Lakers and OKC yes we do. This gives Lee more minutes and Martin god love him just is not in sync with Mchale. Martin is to inconsistent right now. Pierce gives the Rockets the boost that is needed to get over the hump.

[gyu]

He's 34 though, do you really want him for a mediocre, probably first round exit playoff run for 1-2 seasons and then he's probably gone? Ain't worth it to me.

[TheBigVeto]

I think the ghost of Red Auerbach will slap Danny Ainge if he actually trades Pierce. Come on, you don't do that to your franchise player who stuck with the team for the entire career.

[spiegel]

He is hardly Mediacore this season. He is playing like an allstar.

Lowry
Lee
Pierce
Scola
Dalembert

Dragic
Williams
Parsons
Patterson
Hill/Thabett

Is more then a first round fodder. This will also attract some bigger name free agents to Houston because that team has a few year window of oportunity

[MJ(Mean John)]

I've been watching KG since his rookie year in Minnesota. He has not typically been a player you double a lot. Why? Because he doesn't score in the paint. Most of his buckets come on the jumper or the high post, similar to a player such as Aldridge or Nowitzki.

Griffin is a completely different animal and even as a rookie... drew at least 3 times more double teams than prime KG in Minnesota in any given season. If you don't understand the difference in which defenders/coaches play a dominant player in the deep paint vs one who plays 18 feet out.. you need to follow a different sport.


Woah.

Kobe bean Bryant.

Guy sees SO MANY doubles and triples and he stays at that 18 foot island

[StateOfMind12]

Bulls will take either since Rip is potentially done.

[PP34Deuce]

He's 34 though, do you really want him for a mediocre, probably first round exit playoff run for 1-2 seasons and then he's probably gone? Ain't worth it to me.


Look at PP NBA highlights the last 5-6 years... A step slower, still scores... has an old man game and can surprise u with a quick move to the basket.

I don't want Paul traded but people should know

-Hes not a black hole
-Not Ray Allen but great mid range shooter and can hit the open 3 and contested 3
-Crazy range to the level of Kobe,Melo,Lebron
-Disciplined High IQ on defense
- Guaranteed 20-6-5 player.

[PickernRoller]

Pierce and Kobe don't match + Pierce's contract is too fat. I can only see him on a deal to another team that involves the Lakers shuffling around some players to get a good PG or Dwight.

[PickernRoller]

Bulls will take either since Rip is potentially done.

This is becoming very probable. Pierce on a Bull uniform = championship period. Allen on a Bull uniform sweetens things only. March 15 can't come sooner.

[PP34Deuce]

Pierce and Kobe don't match + Pierce's contract is too fat. I can only see him on a deal to another team that involves the Lakers shuffling around some players to get a good PG or Dwight.

I agree... Would be a very average SG-SF defensive rotation. I think LA really need an athletic SF who can guard quick penetrating swingman.

If PP went to clippers, most likely they would want to give BOS Butler.

[talkingconch]

Spurs should get Garnett. I think that could win them a title.

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/16bitninja/th_steve-austin.gif

[Riley Martin]

http://i.imgur.com/ehjul.jpg

or maybe.........

http://i.imgur.com/Hirhp.jpg

[Fiasco]

Celtics don't do either of those trades. Pierce for Martin is a lateral move... at best. I would puke if Pierce was traded to LA.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I wouldn't do K-Mart and Jordan Hill for Paul Pierce, never mind effectively giving up Ray Allen for Ron Artest.

[wally_world]

http://i.imgur.com/ehjul.jpg

or maybe.........

http://i.imgur.com/Hirhp.jpg

Obviously a Laker fan

Blake for Dragic and Budinger? Really? :violin:

[spiegel]

Dragic is off limits. Noway we trade a young stud like the Dragon and Budd for an over the hill Blake.Those guys underrating Kevin Martin, well remember he is one of the best purer scorer in the league.Jordan Hill is a very solid backup PF/C in this league and Budinger is an atheletic freak with a very good shot on him. He can be a rich mans novak in the right situation.

[niko]

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/16bitninja/th_steve-austin.gif
Him and Garnett only need to turn back the clock for 2 months, with plenty of days off in between. I think it would be scary.

[WillyJakk]

I wonder who the Clippers would have to give up for Ray.

Not sure if anyone posted this (didn't wanna skim thru 8 pgs) but I think the Celtics own the Clippers 2012 1st RD Pick (Top 14 protected I think).

Maybe the Clips remove some of the protection from the pick (like Top 10-12) that'd be a good starting point.

Not sure what else the Clips have that the C's value unless they try Mo' Williams for Ray Allen?

[BoogieWoogieMan]

If Clippers got Allen he would be an INCREDIBLE fit. He would get a sh** load of wide open jumpers like he's never gotten in his career with the doubles Griffin+CP3 draw. Wonder if Celtics will part with him.

I think Pierce would be an excellent fit for the Rockets but not ideal next to Kobe for the Lakers. Mainly because Kobe and Pierce both love the ball and are primary playmakers. I don't think with their egos/rivalry they would be willing to submit to each other the way Lebron/Wade have.

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/03/01/ray-allen-reportedly-drawing-interest-from-clippers-paul-pierce-from-clippers-lakers-rockets/

Stopped reading right there.

[Riley Martin]

nvm

[Gory Lobotomist]

KG is a more respected offensive player than blake IMO. KG can shoot and go low. Blake can draw contact and be a dud

[Kiddlovesnets]

The Celtics are doing somewhat better now, less incentive to trade at this moment.

[MMM]

I don't see the Celtics trading their core unless they can get multiple picks but nobody is willing to offer that. It just wouldn't make much sense to trade the big 3 and get mediocre talent that would be locked in for a few seasons. The alternative of letting them expire and rebuilding through the draft or free agency seems much more logical then the ideas presented in this thread.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I don't see the Celtics trading their core unless they can get multiple picks but nobody is willing to offer that. It just wouldn't make much sense to trade the big 3 and get mediocre talent that would be locked in for a few seasons. The alternative of letting them expire and rebuilding through the draft or free agency seems much more logical then the ideas presented in this thread.

If we could get 2 top 20 picks for trading Allen and Garnett I'd do it in a heartbeat.