Where does LL Cool J rank in the rap hierarchy?

[Cowboy Thunder]

Top 10 for sure.


Pushing top 5?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCbF3aHy6xc

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Bucket_Nakedz]

in the backseat of my jeep

[Draz]

backseat of my limo.

[Scoooter]

Loungin' was pretty sweet.

[Kews1]

Somewhere really close to the bottom. Dude is garbage.

[artex]

overrated imo. always caught up in some unnecessary beef. kool moe dee's ll diss tracks are pretty dope n definitely slept on

[QUIZZLE]

TOP 10?!?!?! Who is your top 10?! :facepalm

[East_Stone_Ya]

is in the bottom


Don't ever open your mouth and mention my seeds
Talk about my book you bought to read
You know you watch the sitcom ***** so stop that
Mad rapper, but now you turned mad actor
Forty-nine pounds and tryin to be a monster
Run around town with the Bob Marley imposters
Ask Canibus, he ain't understandin this
Cause ninety-nine percent of his fans, don't exist
I'm goin underground and blowin your rep down
Next time, save that shit for the Lyricist's Lounge
Or a House Party, where you can battle some clown
On top of all that, I beat your homeless ass down
Heard that convicted rapist on the record too
Fresh out of jail, ass cheeks still black and blue
Tell me bout the things ear biter taught you
How to bust a nut or two? (Yeah that's butta boo)
You be decomposin, but you frozen because my title's stolen
Steady rollin in a world that I'm controllin
Vanguard awards are for Kings who get OFF!
Clock platinum mountains, the praise of the Lord
Talkin bout my first and second and third born
Now I got a fourth, Canibus, but he cut off
From the riches of my empire, I'm like a pimp
Who thought he had to retire but found a new Canibus to hire
You're hardcore, innocence like Heather Hunter
But definitely not with the lyrics that drop thunder
Found you in a trash can, hat black, cause you scared to bust
***** in Todd we trust

[L.Kizzle]

Somewhere really close to the bottom. Dude is garbage.
You must be 15 or under.

Dude is top 20 for sure. Dude has been relevant for almost 30 years. Who else from the mid 80s is relevant, not Kane, Kool Moe D, Whodini, ect.

[ace23]

You must be 15 or under.

Dude is top 20 for sure. Dude has been relevant for almost 30 years. Who else from the mid 80s is relevant, not Kane, Kool Moe D, Whodini, ect.
Longevity =/= skill.

[L.Kizzle]

Longevity =/= skill.
What are you saying?

[ace23]

What are you saying?
Just dropping my two cents and leaving in an attempt to look cool. Ha.

Seriously, the fact that he's been relevant for a long time does not make him one of the best. That's all I'm saying.

[L.Kizzle]

Just dropping my two cents and leaving in an attempt to look cool. Ha.

Seriously, the fact that he's been relevant for a long time does not make him one of the best. That's all I'm saying.
Yes it does. He's survived different types of hip-hop and has adapted to the times. That shows he's one of the top. I didn't put him in the top 5 or nothin, but he's in the top 20.

[ace23]

Yes it does. He's survived different types of hip-hop and has adapted to the times. That shows he's one of the top. I didn't put him in the top 5 or nothin, but he's in the top 20.
Yeah, okay, homie.

[L.Kizzle]

Yeah, okay, homie.
Ladies Love >>> your favorite rapper.

[Cowboy Thunder]

TOP 10?!?!?! Who is your top 10?! :facepalm

1 2pac/big
2 snoop/dre
3 em
4 jay
5 kanye
6 bone
7 ll cool j
8 ugk
9 outkast
10 dmx, devin the dude, wayne, lil o, twista, ti

something like that

[ace23]

1 2pac/big
2 snoop/dre
3 em
4 jay
5 kanye
6 bone
7 ll cool j
8 ugk
9 outkast
10 dmx, devin the dude, wayne, lil o, twista, ti

something like that
What the Hell is this? :oldlol:

Whatever, your list...

[L.Kizzle]

1 2pac/big
2 snoop/dre
3 em
4 jay
5 kanye
6 bone
7 ll cool j
8 ugk
9 outkast
10 dmx, devin the dude, wayne, lil o, twista, ti

something like that
Not your favorites, but an all-time ranking.

I'm from Houston and love Devin the Dude, but be real son.

[Tlova]

1 2pac/big
2 snoop/dre
3 em
4 jay
5 kanye
6 bone
7 ll cool j
8 ugk
9 outkast
10 dmx, devin the dude, wayne, lil o, twista, ti

something like that
Where's Nas?

[Cowboy Thunder]

Where's Nas?

I like Nas but not nearly as much as most. He's a great rapper, just not someone I listen to often.

[Tlova]

Nas never connected with me. :confusedshrug:
:facepalm Twista> Nas? Come bro u better than that:wtf:

[Cowboy Thunder]

:facepalm Twista> Nas? Come bro u better than that:wtf:

I've jammed Twista cds/songs 15 times more than any Nas stuff.

Love street dreams though.

[L.Kizzle]

I've jammed Twista cds/songs 15 times more than any Nas stuff.

Love street dreams though.
Twista is cool, but this is not your 10 favs. I like Twist too, but he would make a 50 greatest list. He would probably make my top 50 list though.

[Cowboy Thunder]

i respect u for dat,

but where is 40 water?


Love 40, but just couldn't get him in the top 10/15.

I basically browsed my itunes/cd collection and put that list together.


I know Devin the dude isn't really a top 15 rapper, but I have almost all his albums. It's just my list.


40 water would be top 25 for sure.

[Tlova]

I've jammed Twista cds/songs 15 times more than any Nas stuff.

Love street dreams though.
Only songs i like from him is Overnight Celebrity and Slow Jamz. Don't really like him much Lupe>Twista:confusedshrug:

[Cowboy Thunder]

I'm probably full of shit saying LL Cool J is top 10 material, he's not.


I just put on some LL from time to time and really respect his music. It's rap you don't have to be ashamed of.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Only songs i like from him is Overnight Celebrity and Slow Jamz. Don't really like him much Lupe>Twista:confusedshrug:

Entire Adrenaline Rush cd :bowdown:

[L.Kizzle]

Entire Adrenaline Rush cd :bowdown:
First remember Twista from Do Or Die's Po Pimp, that song was freakin PIMP'd.

[Cowboy Thunder]

i no longer have any respect at all

u bitch

E40 has 3 good cds

Charlie Hustle: The Blueprint of a Self-Made Millionaire (1999)
Loyalty & Betrayal (2000)
My Ghetto Report Card (2006)

[Cowboy Thunder]

cowboy what is your top 10 in 2012?

I quit following rap sometime around 2007. I just listen to whatever gets popular these days and stick with the classics from years back.

[Tlova]

1 2pac/big
2 snoop/dre
3 em
4 jay
5 kanye
6 bone
7 ll cool j
8 ugk
9 outkast
10 dmx, devin the dude, wayne, lil o, twista, ti

something like that
Don't kno bro i respect ya opinion but ya list kinda odd.

how are Dre and Snoop> Eminem:confusedshrug:
Outkast shits on UGK big time

My List
1. Jay-Z - Longevity & Consistency
2. 2pac - Creative & Insightful
3. Biggie - Funny
4. Eminem - Lyrics R Serious:pimp:
5. Rakim - Fathered everybody's flow.
6. Nas - Illmatic and Ether
7. outkast - great classics
8. Tribe - same as outkast
9. Scarface
10. G Rap

[Cowboy Thunder]

how are we supposed to take you seriously in this discussion then? 8-(

You don't have to home skillet :cheers:

[Cowboy Thunder]

My List
5. Rakim - Fathered everybody's flow.
6. Nas - Illmatic and Ether
8. Tribe - same as outkast
9. Scarface


^ I've never been able to get into these artists.

Eminem is a great rapper, but Snoop and Dre smashed the music industry with gangsta rap. Changed everything about the music. Em is just very talented but not as influential.

Disagree about Outkast over UGK.

I mean who else can jump on a JayZ track and not get overshadowed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-45xJl_mhE


Some can, but not many!

[L.Kizzle]

E40 has 3 good cds

Charlie Hustle: The Blueprint of a Self-Made Millionaire (1999)
Loyalty & Betrayal (2000)
My Ghetto Report Card (2006)
Hall of Game and In a Major Way are nasty too.

[L.Kizzle]

Don't kno bro i respect ya opinion but ya list kinda odd.

how are Dre and Snoop> Eminem:confusedshrug:
Outkast shits on UGK big time

My List
1. Jay-Z - Longevity & Consistency
2. 2pac - Creative & Insightful
3. Biggie - Funny
4. Eminem - Lyrics R Serious:pimp:
5. Rakim - Fathered everybody's flow.
6. Nas - Illmatic and Ether
7. outkast - great classics
8. Tribe - same as outkast
9. Scarface
10. G Rap
Kast may be better than UGK, but they don't shit on them.

Gotta have BDK, NWA, Public Enemy, Run-DMC, Kool Moe, MC Lyte and Latiffah, Wu-Tang, Cube, KRS-1, EPMD (Erik Sherman), Gang Star, Ice T, Big Pun, ect

[Tlova]

^ I've never been able to get into these artists.

Eminem is a great rapper, but Snoop and Dre smashed the music industry with gangsta rap. Changed everything about the music. Em is just very talented but not as influential.

Disagree about Outkast over UGK.

I mean who else can jump on a JayZ track and not get overshadowed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-45xJl_mhE


Some can, but not many!
1. Em changed the game dude went diamond in other countries and won multiple grammys.
2. Snoop dogg only has one god albums, i won't even talk about the trash he was putting out wit master p.
2. Outkst shit on UGK bigtime outkast has classics on classics and sell more records:confusedshrug:
3. That would be eminem, biggie, and sauce money?

[Tlova]

Kast may be better than UGK, but they don't shit on them.

Gotta have BDK, NWA, Public Enemy, Run-DMC, Kool Moe, MC Lyte and Latiffah, Wu-Tang, Cube, KRS-1, EPMD (Erik Sherman), Gang Star, Ice T, Big Pun, ect
Y not?:confusedshrug:
Yeah but i only got room for 10 tho:confusedshrug:

[L.Kizzle]

1. Em changed the game dude went diamond in other countries and won multiple grammys.
2. Snoop dogg only has one god albums, i won't even talk about the trash he was putting out wit master p.
2. Outkst shit on UGK bigtime outkast has classics on classics and sell more records:confusedshrug:
3. That would be eminem, biggie, and sauce money?
1. Eminem is white.
2. Not tops Doggystyle, but his NL releases were not rash, guess you never heard The Game is To Be Sold, or No Limit Top Dog.
3. They sell more records because they're more commercial, UGK influenced Outkast, lol.
4. Silkk the Shocker

[L.Kizzle]

Y not?:confusedshrug:
Yeah but i only got room for 10 tho:confusedshrug:
Listen to some UGK than get back at me, Ridin Dirty to be specific.

[Cowboy Thunder]

1. Em changed the game dude went diamond in other countries and won multiple grammys.
2. Snoop dogg only has one god albums, i won't even talk about the trash he was putting out wit master p.
2. Outkst shit on UGK bigtime outkast has classics on classics and sell more records:confusedshrug:
3. That would be eminem, biggie, and sauce money?

Snoop's Topp Dogg was an EXCELLENT cd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOW6YdIkhso

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


I'm not really arguing with ya on Eminem bro. He's top 5. It's all a matter of opinion up in that range.


Outkast and UGK are really close. i just prefer the gangsta shit most of the time and they do it very well.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Snoop is like Kobe. Not MJ (pac, big), but long consistent hof career. top 5 for sure.

[Tlova]

1. Eminem is white.
2. Not tops Doggystyle, but his NL releases were not rash, guess you never heard The Game is To Be Sold, or No Limit Top Dog.
3. They sell more records because they're more commercial, UGK influenced Outkast, lol.
4. Silkk the Shocker
1. Em still dope listen to stan, the way i am, 8 mile road, etc.
2. Na they weren't that good compared to doggystyle
3. Outkast has more impact and bought more to the game
4.:facepalm

[Tlova]

Listen to some UGK than get back at me, Ridin Dirty to be specific.
Aight i'm a bump it right now, listen to illmatic and get back to me the undisputed G.O.A.T. rap album:pimp:

[L.Kizzle]

1. Em still dope listen to stan, the way i am, 8 mile road, etc.
2. Na they weren't that good compared to doggystyle
3. Outkast has more impact and bought more to the game
4.:facepalm
1. Never said Em wasn't dope.
2. Correct I said none tops Doggystle
3. UGK is a very influential group. The whole south and other area's were influenced by their style. Istill rank Outkast above them, but you ot viven Pimp and Bun any respect.
4. real talk.

[Cowboy Thunder]

goat rap album for me = doggystyle

[Tlova]

1. Never said Em wasn't dope.
2. Correct I said none tops Doggystle
3. UGK is a very influential group. The whole south and other area's were influenced by their style. Istill rank Outkast above them, but you ot viven Pimp and Bun any respect.
4. real talk.
1. He is influential dude steve wonder and ray charles can see that?
2. I guess so but i'll take a listen
3. I never said they were not i'm saying Outkast is overall better than and sells more records than UGK. eI find scarface an th ghetto boys more influential, they inspired KRS, Mobb Deep and the Wu:pimp:
4. On what song?
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj236/oryx28/fark/notsureifserious.jpg

[Gundress]

1. Eminem is white.
2. Not tops Doggystyle, but his NL releases were not rash, guess you never heard The Game is To Be Sold, or No Limit Top Dog.
3. They sell more records because they're more commercial, UGK influenced Outkast, lol.
4. Silkk the Shocker

1. At Least....that white boy Eminem got skill...look at Paul Wall, Vanilla Ice, Bubba Sparxxx, etc....none of them shit can sell not because of white....that's because Eminem got talent mfer....why do you think Nas, Jay-Z, Rakim, Kool G Rap, LL Cool J, even Canibus has much respect for him?.

2. The Game Is To Be Sold, Not To Be Told....is f*cking garbage......not surprised coming from you cause you're a huge NL fan so shut the f#k up. No Limit Top wasn't that bad but The Last Meal is better than No Limit Top Dogg.

3. UGK wasn't influenced Outkast mfer....it was f*cking Geto Boys mfer. ....Just because Outkast sell more recrods because of they're more commercial?....why don't u hacve a sti down mfer....Outkast was just better than UGK mfer. UGK is overrated but I did enjoy some of UGK music...but Outkast are way better than UGK MFER

4. WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?...Sup with yoiu and Sillk The Shocker mfer?...did you suck his d!ck or what?

[Tlova]

lol
UGK Awards
BET Awards
2008, Video of the Year ("International Players Anthem") with Outkast (Nominated)
2008, "Best Group"
BET Hip-Hop Awards
2007, Video of the Year ("International Players Anthem") with Outkast (Awarded)
Grammy Awards
2001, Best Rap Performance By a Duo or Group ("Big Pimpin") (Nominated)
2008, Best Rap Performance By a Duo or Group ("Int'l Players Anthem (I Choose You)") (Nominated)
Ozone Awards
2006, Living Legends Award (Awarded)
2008, Best Rap Group (Awarded)
2008, Best Rap Album (Underground Kingz) [Nominated]
2008, Best Video ("International Players Anthem") with Outkast (Awarded)

Outkast Awards

American Music Awards
2004
Won American Music Award
category Favorite Pop/Rock Band/Duo/Group*
2004
Won American Music Award
category Favorite Rap Band/Duo/Group*
2004
Won American Music Award
category Favorite Rap/Hip-Hop Album for "Speakerboxxxx: The Love Below "*
2004
Got nomination for American Music Award
category Artist of the Year*
2003
Won American Music Award
category Favorite Hip-Hop/R&B Band/Duo/Group*
BET Awards
2007
Got nomination for BET Award
category Best Group*
2004
Won BET Award
category Video of the Year for "Hey Ya!"*
2004
Won BET Award
category Group of the Year*
2002
Won BET Award
category Best Group*
Billboard AURN R&B/Hip-Hop Awards
2004
Won Billboard AURN R&B/Hip-Hop Award
category Top R&B/Hip-hop Artist - Duo or Group*
2004
Won Billboard AURN R&B/Hip-Hop Award
category Top R&B/Hip-hop Album for "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below"*
2004
Won Billboard AURN R&B/Hip-Hop Award
category Top Rap Album for "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below"*
2004
Got nomination for Billboard AURN R&B/Hip-Hop Award
category Top R&B/Hip-hop Singles for "The Way You Move"*
shared with Big Boi*
2004
Got nomination for Billboard AURN R&B/Hip-Hop Award
category Top R&B/Hip-hop Album Artist*
Billboard Music Awards
2004
Won Billboard Music Award
category Duo/Group Artist of the Year*
2004
Won Billboard Music Award
category Digital Track of the Year for "Hey Ya!"*
2004
Got nomination for Billboard Music Award
category Artist of the Year*
2004
Got nomination for Billboard Music Award
category Billboard 200 Album of the Year for "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below"*
2004
Got nomination for Billboard Music Award
category Hot 100 Artist of the Years
2004
Got nomination for Billboard Music Award
category Mainstream Top 40 Artist of the Year*
2004
Got nomination for Billboard Music Award
category Digital Artist of the Year*
Brit Awards
2005
Got nomination for Brit Award
category Best International Group*
2005
Got nomination for Brit Award
category Best International Album for "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below "*
GQ Men of the Year Awards
2002
Won GQ Men of the Year Award
category Band Men of the Year*
Grammy Awards
2008
Got nomination for Grammy Award
category Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group for "Int'l Players Anthem (I Choose You)"*
shared with UGK*
2007
Won Grammy Award
category Best Urban/Alternative Performance for "Idlewild Blue (Don't Chu Worry 'Bout Me)"*
2007
Got nomination for Grammy Award
category Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group for "Mighty "O""*
2004
Won Grammy Award
category Album of the Year for "Speakerboxxxx: The Love Below"*
2004
Won Grammy Award
category Best Urban / Alternative Performance for "Speakerboxxxx: The Love Below"*
2004
Won Grammy Award
category Best Rap Album for "Speakerboxxxx: The Love Below"*
2004
Got nomination for Grammy Award
category Best Music Video, Short Form for "Hey Ya!"*
2004
Got nomination for Grammy Award
category Record of the Year for "Hey Ya!"*
2003
Won Grammy Award
category Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group for "The Whole World"*
shared with Killer Mike*
2002
Won Grammy Award
category Best Rap Album for "Stankonia"*
2002
Won Grammy Award
category Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group for "Ms. Jackson"*
2002
Got nomination for Grammy Award
category Best Music Video, Short Form for "Ms. Jackson"*
2002
Got nomination for Grammy Award
category Album of the Year for "Stankonia"*
2002
Got nomination for Grammy Award
category Record of the Year for "Ms. Jackson"*
1999
Got nomination for Grammy Award
category Best Rap Performance by a Duo or Group for "Rosa Parks"*
International Dance Music Awards
2003
Got nomination for International Dance Music Award
category Best R&B / Urban for "Hey Ya"*
2003
Got nomination for International Dance Music Award
category Best Rap Hip-Hop for "The Way You Move "*
2003
Got nomination for International Dance Music Award
category Best Pop for "Hey Ya"*
2003
Got nomination for International Dance Music Award
category Best Dance Video for "Hey Ya"*
Larry Awards
2003
Won Larry Award
category Artist of the Year*
MOBO Awards
2006
Got nomination for MOBO Award
category Best Group*
MTV Europe Awards
2004
Won MTV Europe Award
category Best Group*
2004
Won MTV Europe Award
category Best Song for "Hey Ya!"*
2004
Won MTV Europe Award
category Best Video for "Hey Ya!"*
MTV Europe Music Awards
2006
Got nomination for MTV Europe Music Award
category Best R&B*
MTV Video Music Awards
2004
Won MTV Video Music Award
category Video of the Year for "Hey Ya!"*




2004
Won MTV Video Music Award
category Best Hip-Hop Video for "Hey Ya!"*




2002
Got nomination for MTV Video Music Award
category Best Hip-Hop Video for "The Whole World"
2001
Won MTV Video Music Award
category Best Hip-Hop Video for "Ms. Jackson"
NAACP Image Awards
2007
Got nomination for NAACP Image Award
category Outstanding Duo or Group*
2004
Won NAACP Image Award
category Outstanding Duo or Group*
Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards
2004
Won Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Award
category Favorite Music Group*
2004
Won Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Award
category Favorite Song for "Hey Ya!"*
Platinum Europe Awards
2004
Won Platinum Europe Award
category (in June Month) for "Speakerboxx/The Love Below"*
Q Awards
2004
Got nomination for Q Award
category Best Video for "Roses"*
2004
Got nomination for Q Award
category Best Act in the World Today*
Soul Train Music Awards
2005
Got nomination for The Michael Jackson Award
category Best R&B/Soul or Rap Music Video for "Roses"*
2004
Won Soul Train Music Award
category R&B/Soul or Rap Album of the Year for "Speakerboxxxx: The Love Below"*
2004
Won Soul Train Music Award
category R&B/Soul or Rap Music Video for "Hey Ya!"*
Source Awards
2004
Got nomination for Source Award
category Artist of the Year - Group*
2004
Got nomination for Source Award
category Single of the Year - Group for "The Way You Move "*
1995
Won Source Award
category Best New Rap Group*
TRL Awards
2004
Won MTV TRL Rock the Mic Award
category Best Performance*
Whudat Music Awards
2004
Won Whudat Music Award
category Hip-Hop Album of the Year for "SpeakerBoxxx/The Love Below"*
2004
Won Whudat Music Award
category Video of the Year for "Hey Ya"*
World Music Awards
2004
Won World Music Award
category Best Group*
2004
Won World Music Award
category Best Pop Group*
2004
Won World Music Award
category Best Pop/Hip-Hop Artist*
2002
Won World Music Award
category World's Best-Selling Rap Group
:lol :roll: :violin:

[QUIZZLE]

name one southern rapper that was influenced primarily by outkast.

..............................

yea, that's some impact right there.

Many rappers are like others rappers.

Outkast is just Oukast. They are their own and I respect that.

Andre is one of my favorites of all time.

[Cowboy Thunder]

I'm definitely not jamming HEY YA or BOB on the way to the titty bar.


Got me some UGK banging. :rockon:

[QUIZZLE]

I'm definitely not jamming HEY YA or BOB on the way to the titty bar.


Got me some UGK banging. :rockon:

Listen to ATLiens and roll one. :pimp:

[Cowboy Thunder]

I'd take Riding Dirty over ATLiens anyday of the week. They both came out the same year too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta6bA99iapw

:bowdown:

[QUIZZLE]

I'd take Riding Dirty over ATLiens anyday of the week. They both came out the same year too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta6bA99iapw

:bowdown:

you're high

[Tlova]

name one southern rapper that was influenced primarily by outkast.

..............................

yea, that's some impact right there.
Better than big KRIT:roll: Anyways scarface and the geto noys did all the influencing don't believe me ask rakim, fat joe, dj premier, q-tip, etc.

[Tlova]

you're high
This:cheers:

[Cowboy Thunder]

you're high

It shouldn't be that hard to fathom.

ATLiens:


Charts

Chart (1996) Peak position
U.S. Billboard 200---- 2
U.S. Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums--- 1



Ridin Dirty:

Chart positions

Chart (1996) Peak
position[1]
U.S. Billboard 200 -----15
U.S. Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums ---2




edit: this can't even be right. All Eyez on Me came out in 1996 and was obviously #1 in rap

[L.Kizzle]

It shouldn't be that hard to fathom.

ATLiens:


Charts

Chart (1996) Peak position
U.S. Billboard 200---- 2
U.S. Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums--- 1



Ridin Dirty:

Chart positions

Chart (1996) Peak
position[1]
U.S. Billboard 200 -----15
U.S. Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums ---2




edit: this can't even be right. All Eyez on Me came out in 1996 and was obviously #1 in rap
UGK was raw as shit talkin bout making dope, sellin dope, fckin hos ect. That shit ain't gonna cross over to mainstream. That's why Kast chart higher and sell more records. They appealed to a wider audience.

[Cowboy Thunder]

UGK was raw as shit talkin bout making dope, sellin dope, fckin hos ect. That shit ain't gonna cross over to mainstream. That's why Kast chart higher and sell more records. They appealed to a wider audience.

No doubt.


I don't think either of us are talking bad about Outkast. It's a matter of preference. I just jam UGK more than Kast....

[Cowboy Thunder]

I like where this thread has gone. Forget LL Cool J :lol

This thread got me back listenin to Tela

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcCaiCkEF_E&feature=related

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Double_Dose.jpg

[Kews1]

You must be 15 or under.

Dude is top 20 for sure. Dude has been relevant for almost 30 years. Who else from the mid 80s is relevant, not Kane, Kool Moe D, Whodini, ect.

Nope im not 15 or under and even if i were thats irrelevant. He is a horrible rapper and is not relevant at all. He hasn't been relevant for a very long time. Big Daddy Kane & Kool Moe D are in a different league to him entirely. He's a crap rapper who would struggle to crack the top 100 :roll:

[War Machine]

element of surprise is a top 5 double album. in a major way - classic. the revenue retrievin series is the best rap made by a 40 year old and no one comes close.

and that's not even counting the click. the discography is as good as any legend's.

http://place1.dyndns.org/music/files/images/detailed/103228.jpg

Quite possibly the best album 99% of you ISH-bustaz have never heard.

Thornton keeping it real. Wolf Tickets is my shit & Hurricane - oh shit! - classic!!!

[War Machine]

that wasn't the argument. what you're saying is fine.

i don't understand why you weirdos feel the need to constantly point out andre. "andre so great! top 10 omg!" as you said outkast is just outkast. big boi was as integral and just as good if not better. and its sad that they aren't making another one and andre decided gillette ads are more important than making music. that is not trill. pimp c > andre 3000

You damn right!

:applause:

Andre 3000, I mean it's like, come on (SP Jimmy voice) - dude is such a Kool Keith style/swagger jacker. Him venturing into being an actor and doing commercials now? - that shit is major cool points lost, dude is damn near game over in my book, and my book matters.

[blablabla]

ll wouldn't even be in my top 10 if i only knew 8 rappers

[L.Kizzle]

Y'all hate for G.O.A.T. is uncalled for.

[Draz]

ll wouldn't even be in my top 10 if i only knew 8 rappers
:applause: :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

1. Em changed the game dude went diamond in other countries and won multiple grammys.
2. Snoop dogg only has one god albums, i won't even talk about the trash he was putting out wit master p.
2. Outkst shit on UGK bigtime outkast has classics on classics and sell more records:confusedshrug:
3. That would be eminem, biggie, and sauce money?
Snoop's No Limit albums are underrated

[branslowski]

LL straight...but give me an old eastcoast throwback beat and its a wrap..

[SilkkTheShocker]

1. Eminem is white.
2. Not tops Doggystyle, but his NL releases were not rash, guess you never heard The Game is To Be Sold, or No Limit Top Dog.
3. They sell more records because they're more commercial, UGK influenced Outkast, lol.
4. Silkk the Shocker
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[L.Kizzle]

Happy Birthday to ace23' favorite rapper.

G.O.A.T.

[L.Kizzle]

Homie has classics for days.


Radio
Rock the Bells
I'm Bad
I Need Love (GOAT Hip-Hop Love Song)
I'm That Type of Guy
Goin' Back to Cali
Big Ole Butt
Jingling Baby
The Booming System
Around the Way Girl (GOAT Old School Feel Good Hip-Hop)
Mama Said Knock You Out
Back Seat Of My Jeep
Pink Cookies In a Plastic Bag Being Crushed By Buildings
Hey Lover
Loungin
Doin It
4,3,2,1
Father
Luv U Better
Paradise
Headsprung


He'll also be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, probably next year.

[Rasheed1]

LL was a contender for the crown for a lot of years.. I wouldn't say he was ever the undisputed best rapper around, but he was a contender for many years