Another School Shooting...SMH

[Scholar]

I'm surprised there isn't a 10+ page thread about this shit already.


Hundreds of people gathered at a church in Chardon, Ohio, last night to mourn and pray for the victims of the shooting at Chardon High School where three students have died of their injuries and two remain hospitalized.

Prosecutors told ABC News that they plan to charge the alleged shooter T.J. Lane as an adult. The 17-year-old now stands accused of murdering the three students that he "chose randomly," according to a prosecutor.

Ohio Gov. John Kasich attended the church gathering Tuesday, where he spoke to the mourners about standing together after a horrible tragedy.

"It's all about love. It's about reaching out to people who you never thought about reaching out to before. It's about making everyone feel special for who they are," Kasich told the mourners.

One of Lane's own friends who witnessed the shooting, ABC News has learned, posted a message on Facebook about his friend.

"I wanted so bad to try and help you but i could see in your eyes you didn't care anymore. I'm sorry buddy," the posting read.

Russell King and Demetrius Hewlin, students wounded in Monday's shooting, died Wednesday morning, officials said, while Nick Walczak remains in the hospital and Joy Rickers has been released from the hospital.

Another victim, identified by MetroHealth Hospital as Daniel Parmertor, died from the wounds on Monday, hours after being shot.

Lane made his first appearance in juvenile court Tuesday. The judge did not allow the accused to be shown on camera, and the prosecutor did not provide a motive for the lethal shooting spree. However, at a news conference shortly after the court hearing, prosecutor David Joyce said, "This is not about bullying. This is not about drugs. This is someone who is not well."

"[Lane] confessed to taking the pistol and admitted he went into the cafeteria and shot 10 rounds," Joyce said. "[He said he] did not know the students, but chose them randomly."

The prosecutor alleged that Lane went to Chardon High School with a .22 caliber handgun and a knife. He shot four students in the cafeteria and one in the hallway before leaving the school. He was detained by police within a mile of the school.

In court Lane appeared shy, saying only "yes, sir" in answer to a judge's questions as his eyes darted back to the floor.

Lane has not yet been charged, but Joyce said he expected Lane to be charged with three counts of aggravated murder. Joyce also said that he will "absolutely" want to try Lane as an adult.

Lane's grandfather and two aunts sat beside him in court. Joyce asked that Lane be kept in detention and his attorney did not object, so the judge ordered Lane to be taken to a detention facility.

"TJ Lane will remain in detention during proceedings due to serious nature of allegations and charges," Judge Timothy Grendell said.

9-1-1calls relating to the shooting released by the Chardon Police Department paint a picture of the chilling, chaotic moment as Lane allegedly murdered his victims.

"Chardon High School calling. We are in lockdown. We need assistance right now. There's a student with a gun," a woman says in one call.

A man tells the dispatcher, "Three down in the cafeteria. Students down. We need an ambulance."

The school's principal described the shooter's appearance to the dispatcher as, "white t-shirt, shaggy dark hair, tall, skinny."

Nate Mueller, a student who was sitting with three friends who were shot, described Lane to ABC News as "a quiet kid. Freshman year he got into a 'goth' phase and didn't talk to that many people anymore. He never egged anybody on. He just went about his business."

Some classmates described Lane as an outcast who'd been bullied. In late December, he posted a poem on his Facebook page that read: "He longed for only one thing, the world to bow at his feet," and ended ominously: "Die, all of you."

But other classmates say Lane had friends and wasn't bullied.

"He had friends. He was quiet," Chardon High School student Tyler Lillash said. "From what I heard he posted some pictures on Twitter of, like, some dude holding guns. But other than that I don't really know. I don't think he was bullied, though."

Did T.J. Lane Have a Troubled Home Life?

Lane's family life had been disrupted by divorce and violence, ABC News affiliate WEWS reported. His parents divorced in 2002, and his father later served time in jail on assault and other charges, according to the station.

In 2002, Lane's father Thomas M. Lane pleaded guilty to a charge of felonious assault for pushing his ex-wife's head into a wall and strangling her until she lost consciousness for several seconds, according to court documents.

"[Thomas M. Lane] held victim's head over washing machine and poured cold water from a utility hose over her nose and mouth preventing free breathing," Deputy Charlene Sulak wrote in a complaint.

Attorney Robert N. Farinacci, who is representing Lane, released a statement on behalf of the family Monday night, according to WEWS, calling the incident "something that could never have been predicted."

"The family is devastated by this recent event. They want to express their most heartfelt and sincere condolences to the family of the young man who passed and their continuing prayers are with all those who were injured," Farinacci wrote. "TJ's family has asked for some privacy while they try to understand how such a tragedy could have occurred and while they mourn this terrible loss for their community."

Classes were canceled for all schools in the district today.

The school superintendent announced today that a Chardon Healing Fund has been started and that all money donated will be used to help those that have been impacted. A total of $150,000 has already been donated to the fund.

Chardon is a village in Geauga County, about 35 miles east of Cleveland.

Link: Ohio High School Shooting (http://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-high-school-shooting-prosecutors-tj-lane-adult/story?id=15814303&page=2#.T1OS3vF8Ax8)


Thoughts?

[Draz]

chop off each of his fingers down to toes.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, this has been a big topic of convo here in my area. Really sad stuff.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Dear god....

From the article it's clear his home life wasn't great, his dad strangling his mom and shit. **** this kind of thing usually ruins my whole day. So sad.

[Draz]

his dad should of strangled him

[johndeeregreen]

http://tugberkugurlu.com/Content/Images/UploadedByAuthors/wlw/SQL-Injection-vs.-Lethal-Injection_D85/lethal-injection.jpg

[ace23]

his dad should of strangled him
:facepalm

I hate that kids are put in these situations.

[johndeeregreen]

:facepalm

I hate that kids are put in these situations.
Nobody put that kid in a situation to kill random classmates except for him.

This is the problem, and why these shootings continue. Because people continue to sympathize and make excuses for these shooters. Just because you've had a hard life doesn't give you license to snatch life away from innocent others. These school shooters are the scum of the earth and should be summarily executed on the spot when apprehended.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Nobody put that kid in a situation to kill random classmates except for him.

This is the problem, and why these shootings continue. Because people continue to sympathize and make excuses for these shooters. Just because you've had a hard life doesn't give you license to snatch life away from innocent others. These school shooters are the scum of the earth and should be summarily executed on the spot when apprehended.

Sure everyone is responsible for their own actions once you get to a certain age:

However, clearly an unhealthy home life leads to an unhealthy mental state. It's not an excuse it's just a fact.

[johndeeregreen]

However, clearly an unhealthy home life leads to an unhealthy mental state. It's not an excuse it's just a fact.
I agree. But killing people is not the next logical step from having a shitty home life. Many, many, MANY people have poor upbringings and don't end up taking guns to school to snuff out the lives of innocent people. At some point, the sympathy for how hard of life you've had ends when you've made a decision this deplorable and irrevocable. Sorry your life sucked, but I'm a lot sorrier that people whose lives DIDN'T suck will no longer have the chance to live them. Open and shut. Death penalty. This piece of shit should have done us all a favor and put the gun in his mouth. In fact, that's what ALL of these school shooter should do - splatter your OWN brains on the wall before doing so to numerous others.

[QUIZZLE]

I agree. But killing people is not the next logical step from having a shitty home life. Many, many, MANY people have poor upbringings and don't end up taking guns to school to snuff out the lives of innocent people. At some point, the sympathy for how hard of life you've had ends when you've made a decision this deplorable and irrevocable. Sorry your life sucked, but I'm a lot sorrier that people whose lives DIDN'T suck will no longer have the chance to live them. Open and shut. Death penalty. This piece of shit should have done us all a favor and put the gun in his mouth. In fact, that's what ALL of these school shooter should do - splatter your OWN brains on the wall before doing so to numerous others.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to side with you here.

If I grew up in a home like that, I'd want to get out of there and extend my life to the complete opposite. Just as, when I have a kid(s), I don't want them to go through any hardships that I had to.

I feel extremely bad for people with bad upbringings, but nothing that goes on in your life should tell you murdering innocent people is okay. I'll never sympathize for that.

[Flagrant 2]

I love school shootings.

[Dolphin]

Nobody put that kid in a situation to kill random classmates except for him.

This is the problem, and why these shootings continue. Because people continue to sympathize and make excuses for these shooters. Just because you've had a hard life doesn't give you license to snatch life away from innocent others. These school shooters are the scum of the earth and should be summarily executed on the spot when apprehended.

I highly doubt these kids do this because previous shooters have been coddled by society. Some have been killed and others have been locked away for life. It's like you think society gives these kids shiny stickers or something. lol

You agree that most, if not all of these kids have had a tough life in one way or the other. Not any different than many who choose not to kill others, but tough nonetheless. So, you logically think the problem is not the upbringing and harsh views (such as your post), but the exact opposite. The sympathetic and empathetic view. One thing these kids all had in common was violence of some sort, and your hard ass "kill them on the spot, **** their upbringing" stance more resembles that than anything caring or loving.....but you think it's that caring, sympathetic, empathetic stance that is the problem.

This isn't about me arguing the kid should be let free or viewed as the victim in this.....just trying to figure out the connection you seemingly have found.

[PullupJay]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ScorpionOcean/gifs/smh.gif

[franchise#3]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m47RlRiYoAg/TRRtCUlRNhI/AAAAAAAAKH0/BjvV-n24uks/s1600/MColumb2.jpg

[dunksby]

It aint terrorism so **** it.

[johndeeregreen]

I highly doubt these kids do this because previous shooters have been coddled by society. Some have been killed and others have been locked away for life. It's like you think society gives these kids shiny stickers or something. lol
Wow that's quite a leap you've made from what I said to "coddled by society.":oldlol: I'm not even going to bother with this one.


You agree that most, if not all of these kids have had a tough life in one way or the other. Not any different than many who choose not to kill others, but tough nonetheless. So, you logically think the problem is not the upbringing and harsh views (such as your post), but the exact opposite. The sympathetic and empathetic view. One thing these kids all had in common was violence of some sort, and your hard ass "kill them on the spot, **** their upbringing" stance more resembles that than anything caring or loving.....but you think it's that caring, sympathetic, empathetic stance that is the problem.
Again, the leaps you've made here are absolutely gigantic. Since you're going to take what I said as "sympathetic attitudes towards shooters is THE ONLY REASON THEY DO THIS," which is pretty ridiculous but whatever, I'll elaborate for you. On second thought, no I won't, because not only did you misread my first post (well, misread is pretty harsh; you read what I wrote, but somehow have magnified it to epic proprortions), but you also ignored my second post where I agreed with the poster that having a poor upbringing absolutely is a contributing factor, but that it wasn't an excuse.


This isn't about me arguing the kid should be let free or viewed as the victim in this.....just trying to figure out the connection you seemingly have found.
If the connection you have made is that upbringing is irrelevant and that these kids ONLY shoot people because they feel that they will be "coddled by society" then you haven't "found" a connection, you've completely fabricated it.

[Dolphin]

Wow that's quite a leap you've made from what I said to "coddled by society.":oldlol: I'm not even going to bother with this one.


Again, the leaps you've made here are absolutely gigantic. Since you're going to take what I said as "sympathetic attitudes towards shooters is THE ONLY REASON THEY DO THIS," which is pretty ridiculous but whatever, I'll elaborate for you. On second thought, no I won't, because not only did you misread my first post (well, misread is pretty harsh; you read what I wrote, but somehow have magnified it to epic proprortions), but you also ignored my second post where I agreed with the poster that having a poor upbringing absolutely is a contributing factor, but that it wasn't an excuse.


If the connection you have made is that upbringing is irrelevant and that these kids ONLY shoot people because they feel that they will be "coddled by society" then you haven't "found" a connection, you've completely fabricated it.


Nobody put that kid in a situation to kill random classmates except for him.

This is the problem, and why these shootings continue. Because people continue to sympathize and make excuses for these shooters. Just because you've had a hard life doesn't give you license to snatch life away from innocent others. These school shooters are the scum of the earth and should be summarily executed on the spot when apprehended.

Explain to me what I misread here. You state the reason these shootings continue is because people sympathize and make excuses for the shooters.


This is the problem, and why these shootings continue. Because people continue to sympathize and make excuses for these shooters.


I'll elaborate for you. On second thought, no I won't

Probably for the best.....Even for an Albertan, you seem smart enough, so I doubt even your ego will allow you to defend your comments.

And, ya, my reading skills are just fine as I just proved. Funny, this is the second person recently to say my reading comprehension is poor...and yet both times I proved the other poster wrong with a simple quote of theirs. Makes you wonder if people even read their own quotes before accusing others of a lack of reading comprehension.

:roll:

[johndeeregreen]

Explain to me what I misread here. You state the reason these shootings continue is because people sympathize and make excuses for the shooters.
My God you're being dense.:facepalm

It certainly is A reason. Just like having a poor upbringing is A reason. If you think that my viewpoint on this is that media sympathy is 100% responsible for every school shooting (and that there are no other contributing factors), despite the fact that I've stated otherwise, then cool I guess, go ahead and run with that. Oh wait, you already did.

[pauk]

thats him http://www.whatsondalian.com/news_images/4f4d9b969ff14_TJ%20Lane.jpg

[Dolphin]

My God you're being dense.:facepalm

It certainly is A reason. Just like having a poor upbringing is A reason. If you think that my viewpoint on this is that media sympathy is 100% responsible for every school shooting (and that there are no other contributing factors), despite the fact that I've stated otherwise, then cool I guess, go ahead and run with that. Oh wait, you already did.

I'm not running with that. If you say you don't believe it than fine.

I just don't get why you would waste time making a post stating you didn't say something that you quite clearly did....that's all.

And, hey maybe you did clarify that statement in another post...but you know as well as I do that we can't expect people to scroll through every post to see if they took back a comment or modified it. I took what you said verbatim and responded. You say you clarified it so fine, but don't tell me I don't know how to read because like I said, I can read quite fine.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Sure everyone is responsible for their own actions once you get to a certain age:

However, clearly an unhealthy home life leads to an unhealthy mental state. It's not an excuse it's just a fact.

Obviously if the kid lived a happy go lucky life this probably wouldnt have happened. But the amount of people that live in a "bad" home is very high and it doesnt really say anything in relation to shooting innocent people. Your "fact" doesn't really bring anything to the argument.

ie. The columbine kids probably lived a better life than roughly 40% of the US.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

My God you're being dense.:facepalm

It certainly is A reason. Just like having a poor upbringing is A reason. If you think that my viewpoint on this is that media sympathy is 100% responsible for every school shooting (and that there are no other contributing factors), despite the fact that I've stated otherwise, then cool I guess, go ahead and run with that. Oh wait, you already did.
those are not reasons for people shooting innocent people. Dictionary definition of reason:

a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.


Using the definition's logic, it is justified that they shot people because they had a poor upbringing, or because people sympathize with them. Obviously neither of those are reasons. There is no way you could justify shooting random people. Maybe those things played a role.. but they were not REASONS.

[johndeeregreen]

I'm not running with that. If you say you don't believe it than fine.

I just don't get why you would waste time making a post stating you didn't say something that you quite clearly did....that's all.


And, hey maybe you did clarify that statement in another post...but you know as well as I do that we can't expect people to scroll through every post to see if they took back a comment or modified it. I took what you said verbatim and responded. You say you clarified it so fine, but don't tell me I don't know how to read because like I said, I can read quite fine.
I honestly just couldn't believe you would take my comment as such a black-and-white, kids-only-do-this-because-of-this type of statement. I wrote 'the' when I should have said 'a', but I thought that the issue was so complex that it would be inherently understood that no one thing is the single and absolute cause in 100% all of these cases.

[johndeeregreen]

those are not reasons for people shooting innocent people. Dictionary definition of reason:

a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action.


Using the definition's logic, it is justified that they shot people because they had a poor upbringing, or because people sympathize with them. Obviously neither of those are reasons. There is no way you could justify shooting random people. Maybe those things played a role.. but they were not REASONS.
Fine, thank you for the correction. I'll be on the lookout for any future post of yours where you may accidentally use a wrong word and be there to ensure that you are aware of Merriam-Webster's definition, regardless of whether or not the thought you were trying to convey was clearly understood.

Jesus f*cking Christ.

[franchise#3]

Perhaps it's the emo music that made him do this.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Obviously if the kid lived a happy go lucky life this probably wouldnt have happened. But the amount of people that live in a "bad" home is very high and it doesnt really say anything in relation to shooting innocent people. Your "fact" doesn't really bring anything to the argument.

ie. The columbine kids probably lived a better life than roughly 40% of the US.

Again, it is an irrelevant point, however it was a response to another poster.

It will be brought up, it's not an excuse being made, it is simply the fact of the matter.

[breadwitheggs]

We need to talk about TJ

[TylerOO]

TJ Lane escaped prison today and is on the loose.

[JohnFreeman]

Can't chain the Lane

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm usually completely opposed to vigilante justice, but I wouldn't mind the families of the slain kids hunting this guy down and doing away with him. You want to break out of jail? You're fair game at that point, imo.


Here he was during the trial...

http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/plain-dealer/photo/2013/03/12446088-mmmain.jpg


Here was his message to the victims' families during sentencing...

http://sharing.abc15.com/sharewews//photo/2013/03/19/TJ-Lane-finger-censored_20130319123712_320_240.JPG

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/schoolshootingohio125140-525x450.jpg

[TylerOO]

^^^ He also said he jerks off to the memory of him killing their kids

[russwest0]

the homie 'scaped on 9/11 :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

what he did was fukked up but I am intrigued by how badass his story is in terms of being a villain.

it'd be perfect if he was found by the police jacking off to their memory or some shit

[ace23]

I don't even remember this.

[ace23]

the homie 'scaped on 9/11 :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

what he did was fukked up but I am intrigued by how badass his story is in terms of being a villain.

it'd be perfect if he was found by the police jacking off to their memory or some shit
They got him

https://twitter.com/NickCaminoWTAM/status/510297235574108160

[DaSeba5]

It's amazing to me that someone can escape with all technology we have today. You would think someone would notice.

[Budadiiii]

It's amazing to me that someone can escape with all technology we have today. You would think someone would notice.
Prison guards are known to be lazy corrupt f*ggots. Surprised it doesn't happen more often honestly

[DaSeba5]

Prison guards are known to be lazy corrupt f*ggots. Surprised it doesn't happen more often honestly

Yah it seems so. :pimp:

[MavsSuperFan]

his dad should of strangled him
agreed

[MavsSuperFan]

I'm usually completely opposed to vigilante justice, but I wouldn't mind the families of the slain kids hunting this guy down and doing away with him. You want to break out of jail? You're fair game at that point, imo.


Here he was during the trial...

http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/plain-dealer/photo/2013/03/12446088-mmmain.jpg


Here was his message to the victims' families during sentencing...

http://sharing.abc15.com/sharewews//photo/2013/03/19/TJ-Lane-finger-censored_20130319123712_320_240.JPG

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/schoolshootingohio125140-525x450.jpg
THis makes me so mad. I wish we would do as the CHinese do and put a bullet in the back of his head and harvest his organs for the needy

[MavsSuperFan]

People like TJ Lane are why the death penalty is needed