Kobe's longevity is really amazing

[1987_Lakers]

Think about this for a second, Kobe came in the league at about the same time as Iverson, T-Mac, Vince Carter, Ray Allen and he is still playing like a superstar while the rest are either retired or a shell of their former selves. For a while it looked like Arenas was going to give him some competition for the next few years, but he fell off the map fast, think about that, Kobe came in the league in '96, Arenas was drafted in '01 and now look where both players are. Nash is the only player that comes close to Kobe's longevity, but Nash really didn't become elite until he joined the Suns in 2005, Kobe was a superstar by 2001. Today's game is the reason why I made this thread, how he was able to outperform two superstars in this league that were drafted in 2003, 7 years after Kobe was drafted. Wade is a few years younger than Kobe, but the 16 year vet Bryant still might be better.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/371027/chris-rock-kobe.gif

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[bwink23]

He's 33 years old.......:facepalm , barely played his first 2 years. But overall it's impressive.

[C_lake2802]

Gotta give credit where credit is due i guess

[1987_Lakers]

He's 33 years old.......:facepalm , barely played his first 2 years. But overall it's impressive.

Exaclty. Oscar Robertson at age 33 was barley an All-Star, George Gervin was playing in his final year, & Isiah Thomas wasn't even in the league at 33.

[I<3NBA]

what's amazing about a satanist playing this long? you know that's the only way he can still be playing. he's sold his soul to the devil.

[asdf1990]

Gotta give credit where credit is due i guess

german knee surgery?

[Doctor Rivers]

Exaclty. Oscar Robertson at age 33 was barley an All-Star, George Gervin was playing in his final year, & Isiah Thomas wasn't even in the league at 33.


Why was Thomas out so early

[RRR3]

Why was Thomas out so early
had to start early on his diabolical plans to destroy the Knicks franchise.

[bwink23]

Exaclty. Oscar Robertson at age 33 was barley an All-Star, George Gervin was playing in his final year, & Isiah Thomas wasn't even in the league at 33.

Yeah, Kobe's still going strong at 33....but comparing past players straight up is ridiculous....Oscar was playing 42-44 minutes every game....without all the perks players get today....without all the high-dollar therapy, advanced medicine, luxuries, etc...

It's not even worth a comparison.

[RedBlackAttack]

He is an amazing player. There was a time in the early-00s where I really didn't like him for what I perceived as a bad attitude and I never understood why he couldn't just accept his role alongside Shaq and be content with it...

But, I got over all of that a long time ago. He has been a pleasure to watch. One of the greatest natural scorers that the league has ever seen.

And, yeah... The fact that he is 33 and still putting up 30+ on a near nightly basis is amazing. These guys that come straight out of high school are going to be working on a different timeline than the guys who spent years in college.

Your knees and body can only take so many 82 game seasons plus playoffs before you wear down... I don't care how old you are.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

speaking of old guys playing at a very high level...........................Steve Nash.

[bwink23]

Karl Malone is probably the most endured athlete of all time...John Stockton is right there.

[Rocker09]

He's 33 years old.......:facepalm , barely played his first 2 years. But overall it's impressive.

In the NBA, age isn't really a good indicator on the longevity of players. You need to look at the number of years that he has been playing....Kobe is a 33 yrs old w/ an older man's body....

[bwink23]

In the NBA, age isn't really a good indicator on the longevity of players. You need to look at the number of years that he has been playing....Kobe is a 33 yrs old w/ an older man's body....


Age is a good indicator for ANYONE....

[305Baller]

http://demotivationalblog.com/demotivational/2009/03/chuck-norris-he-approves-your-post.jpg

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah, Kobe's still going strong at 33....but comparing past players straight up is ridiculous....Oscar was playing 42-44 minutes every game....without all the perks players get today....without all the high-dollar therapy, advanced medicine, luxuries, etc...

It's not even worth a comparison.

You can say the same about Jerry West, but he was still making All-NBA First Teams at age 34.

[oh the horror]

speaking of old guys playing at a very high level...........................Steve Nash.



Ding ding ding. That's another one that is amazing.


Ive come to really appreciate some of these players still in the league, and performing at the level they are given the ages they are.


You kind of have to savor the moments with particular players, because they ARE almost over.

[ballashotcalla]

In the NBA, age isn't really a good indicator on the longevity of players. You need to look at the number of years that he has been playing....Kobe is a 33 yrs old w/ an older man's body....

yeah, you look at how many years they've played.

he's also had long runs in the playoffs. he's tacked on many miles on his body and legs.

which is also a reason grant hill is doing some good things at 39. he was injured for a long time and hasn't logged too many miles.

[Legends66NBA7]

Why was Thomas out so early

Injuries were piling up for him and the one that did him in was a torn Achilles Tendon in April 1994, which forced him to call it a career before the season ended.

[bwink23]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/mp_career.html

Kobe at #22.

[Funnyfuka]

german knee surgery?

This, and designer steroids and human growth hormone.

[bwink23]

This, and designer steroids and human growth hormone.


+1....in the 60's, Kobe's career would have been over by now. Advanced "supplements", sports medicine, training, etc. are letting players play longer than they ever have..

[1Time4YourMind]

age is a factor but minutes played is even more of a factor, considering kobe's had so many seasons with playing time since 98/99 until now and that he had deep playoffs runs for most of his career and played immense minutes... i am still amazed that he can play at such a level today.

[bwink23]

age is a factor but minutes played is even more of a factor, considering kobe's had so many seasons with playing time since 98/99 until now and that he had deep playoffs runs for most of his career and played immense minutes... i am still amazed that he can play at such a level today.


Spoken like someone NOT in their 30's......:facepalm :facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

age is a factor but minutes played is even more of a factor, considering kobe's had so many seasons with playing time since 98/99 until now and that he had deep playoffs runs for most of his career and played immense minutes... i am still amazed that he can play at such a level today.
:applause:

[bwink23]

:applause:


You understand without the "GERMAN" treatment, Kobe's career would be near overwith right? He was considering retirement if it had failed....

[bwink23]

:applause:


"minutes played" is NEVER more of a factor than age.....:facepalm

[gigantes]

Kobe's longevity is really amazing
kobe is an amazing, awesome player, but his longevity is mediocre IMO.

he started by doing light-lifting his first couple years and by age 33 his knees were bone-on-bone cartilage ruins, probably exacerbated by all his hot-dogging and insistence on being the man.

many other great players were still playing championship ball (think jordan) at his age, but kobe was a fraction of a step away from retiring in 2012. fact.

then he goes to germany and has his own blood centrifuged into a HGH-rich injection which goes back into his knee.

and that made him a new man, just like it did with a couple others, but it also changed all the rules and all the statistics. no other great player in history is in that territory.

so yes, he's still a great, amazing player. and someone like lebron can only wish upon a star that he'll one day have a fraction of kobe's toughness and heart. but there's also a huge asterisk next to kobe's name, for good or for bad.....

[Doctor Rivers]

You understand without the "GERMAN" treatment, Kobe's career would be near overwith right? He was considering retirement if it had failed....

i made a thread about this and it was deleted

[1987_Lakers]

You understand without the "GERMAN" treatment, Kobe's career would be near overwith right? He was considering retirement if it had failed....

lmao @ this hater.

[1987_Lakers]

kobe is an amazing, awesome player, but his longevity is mediocre IMO.
Leading the league in scoring at age 33 and his longevity is "mediocre"?:facepalm

[bwink23]

lmao @ this hater.

That's FACT....did 60's players have this at their disposal?? What surgeries were available to extend their careers back then?? Pitchers careers in major league baseball were done before Tommy John surgery was invented and made them even better.

It's these types of advantages you so conveniently ignore.

[B]

kobe is an amazing, awesome player, but his longevity is mediocre IMO.

he started by doing light-lifting his first couple years and by age 33 his knees were bone-on-bone cartilage ruins, probably exacerbated by all his hot-dogging and insistence on being the man.

many other great players were still playing championship ball (think jordan) at his age, but kobe was a fraction of a step away from retiring in 2012. fact.

then he goes to germany and has his own blood centrifuged into a HGH-rich injection which goes back into his knee.

and that made him a new man, just like it did with a couple others, but it also changed all the rules and all the statistics. no other great player in history is in that territory.

so yes, he's still a great, amazing player. and someone like lebron can only wish upon a star that he'll one day have a fraction of kobe's toughness and heart. but there's also a huge asterisk next to kobe's name, for good or for bad.....The flaw in your argument is "at his age" Jordan had played 12 seasons and sat one out which cannot be under appreciated when it comes to career extension while at the same age Kobe has played 16 non stop seasons. To be comparing the two is nuts because the way each players career unfolded is not even close to similar.

[1987_Lakers]

That's FACT....did 60's players have this at their disposal?? What surgeries were available to extend their careers back then?? Pitchers careers in major league baseball were done before Tommy John surgery was invented and made them even better.

It's these types of advantages you so conveniently ignore.

Of course technology has done a great job at extending players careers, but that doesn't change the fact that Kobe's longevity is quite impressive. Who leads the league in scoring at age 33 other than Jordan? How many players in this league are still superstars after playing 1350+ career NBA games (including postseason)?

And lol @ acting like 60's players retired after the age of 30. I showed you Jerry West mas making All-NBA Teams at age 34 and you chose to ignore my post.

And in case you didn't notice I posted an "applause" smilie in my previous post to see if I can bait you.

[bwink23]

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[bwink23]

Of course technology has done a great job at extending players careers, but that doesn't change the fact that Kobe's longevity is quite impressive. Who leads the league in scoring at age 33 other than Jordan? How many players in this league are still superstars after playing 1350+ career NBA games (including postseason)?

And lol @ acting like 60's players retired after the age of 30. I showed you Jerry West mas making All-NBA Teams at age 34 and you chose to ignore my post.

And in case you didn't notice I posted an "applause" smilie in my previous post to see if I can bait you.


I'm here, so let's talk about it.....:D

[The_Yearning]

kobe is an amazing, awesome player, but his longevity is mediocre IMO.

he started by doing light-lifting his first couple years and by age 33 his knees were bone-on-bone cartilage ruins, probably exacerbated by all his hot-dogging and insistence on being the man.

many other great players were still playing championship ball (think jordan) at his age, but kobe was a fraction of a step away from retiring in 2012. fact.

then he goes to germany and has his own blood centrifuged into a HGH-rich injection which goes back into his knee.

and that made him a new man, just like it did with a couple others, but it also changed all the rules and all the statistics. no other great player in history is in that territory.

so yes, he's still a great, amazing player. and someone like lebron can only wish upon a star that he'll one day have a fraction of kobe's toughness and heart. but there's also a huge asterisk next to kobe's name, for good or for bad.....

You're an idiot... Kobe retire in 2012? Dude is still chasing MJ.

[bwink23]

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[bwink23]

You're an idiot... Kobe retire in 2012? Dude is still chasing MJ.

Kobe confided in A-Rod that if the German crap didn't work, he was considering retirement.

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe confided in A-Rod that if the German crap didn't work, he was considering retirement.

That is just the media trying to make a story more intriguing than it actually is & you have fallen under their spell. Who here honestly believes Kobe was going to retire in 2012? He loves the game too much to retire right now.

[keepinitreal]

Yes, yes it is....

Kobe's post game is what impresses me a lot. When he catches the ball <12 ft away from the basket, he puts on a clinic.

[bwink23]

That is just the media trying to make a story more intriguing than it actually is & you have fallen under their spell. Who here honestly believes Kobe was going to retire in 2012? He loves the game too much to retire right now.


Who here honestly believes Kobe was moving was well last year as he is this year.....your ******gery gets in the way of common sense.

[1987_Lakers]

Who here honestly believes Kobe was moving was well last year as he is this year.....your ******gery gets in the way of common sense.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/3132310/images/1228712405170.jpg

[B]

Jordan also played as many minutes in college at North Carolina as Kobe did in his first 2 years in the league....and Kobe has missed many games over those 16 years. He's only played 4 full seasons....he averages 73 games a year for 14 years...missed 136 games, over a year and half spread out.

Let's not pretend like Kobe is working miracles here, he's had rest. Keep grasping at straws

Jordan played 101 games total in his college career.
Kobe played 171 games in his first two years

Jordan played 1072 regular season games in his NBA career, 179 playoff games. for a total of 48,484 minutes

Kobe has played in 1139 regular season games 208 playoff games for a total of 49,678 and he's still playing.

Stop trying to bang on Kobe's longevity by mentioning a guy who's already behind him in time spent on the court and falling further and further behind every time Kobe suits up. Sooner or later I'd think you'd get tired of being embarrassed on this message board and you'd actually try to start to at least pretend to know what you're talking about

[bwink23]

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[PickernRoller]

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[Nevaeh]

age is a factor but minutes played is even more of a factor, considering kobe's had so many seasons with playing time since 98/99 until now and that he had deep playoffs runs for most of his career and played immense minutes... i am still amazed that he can play at such a level today.

Well it helps when you don't have to carry a team for your first 8 years. Coming off the bench for 2 years also softens the wear and tear to your body as well.

And lets not pretend that Kobe was playing a full 82 games for his entire career either.

Year:- Games Played:
97- 71
98-79
99-50
00-66
01-68
02-80
03-82
04-65
05-66
06-80
07-77
08-82
09-82
10-73
11-82

4 full seasons played
2 80 Game seasons
4 70+ game seasons
4 60+game seasons
1 50 game season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

[Zach Morris]

Here's the thing : when you consider Kobe's longevity, you can't use his age as the sole factor, because he's [only] 33. That's not young, but it's not old. However, when you factor in the fact that he's been playing over 15 years [that's over 40,000 regular-season minutes and over 8,000 Playoff minutes] ... and the injuries he's sustained [especially those involving his knees] then there is no way you can't see Kobe's longevity as very impressive. Kudos to Bryant. His dedication to the game is unmatched. :applause:

[bwink23]

Well it helps when you don't have to carry a team for your first 8 years. Coming off the bench for 2 years also softens the wear and tear to your body as well.

And lets not pretend that Kobe was playing a full 82 games for his entire career either.

Year:- Games Played:
97- 71
98-79
99-50
00-66
01-68
02-80
03-82
04-65
05-66
06-80
07-77
08-82
09-82
10-73
11-82

4 full seasons played
2 80 Game seasons
4 70+ game seasons
4 60+game seasons
1 50 game season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html


And due for a 66-game season THIS YEAR....

[Legends66NBA7]

Well it helps when you don't have to carry a team for your first 8 years. Coming off the bench for 2 years also softens the wear and tear to your body as well.

And lets not pretend that Kobe was playing a full 82 games for his entire career either.

Year:- Games Played:
97- 71
98-79
99-50
00-66
01-68
02-80
03-82
04-65
05-66
06-80
07-77
08-82
09-82
10-73
11-82

4 full seasons played
2 80 Game seasons
4 70+ game seasons
4 60+game seasons
1 50 game season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

Well he techinically played 5 Full Seasons, since there were only 50 games in 1999, but for the longevity angle, I get your point.

He is on his way to play his 6th full season this year too, so far... but yeah, he has been banged up more often...

[longtime lurker]

This Bwink guy trieds way too hard :facepalm

Compare Kobe to some of his contemporaries like Garnett, Tmac and Vince Carter who are around the same age, but aren't nearly as productive.

[bwink23]

This Bwink guy trieds way too hard :facepalm

Compare Kobe to some of his contemporaries like Garnett, Tmac and Vince Carter who are around the same age, but aren't nearly as productive.


I'm not saying what he's doing right now isn't impressive....but it certainly is overhyped. Mostly by his ball washers.

[veilside23]

hmmm i wonder if kobe can still dominate the game 3 years from now...

[Nevaeh]

Well he techinically played 5 Full Seasons, since there were only 50 games in 1999, but for the longevity angle, I get your point.

He is on his way to play his 6th full season this year too, so far... but yeah, he has been banged up more often...

Good points. But I still stand by my "Didn't have to carry a Team" angle as well.

:cheers:

Not Trolling, just don't wanna have to see a bunch of :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: s on a quiet Sunday evening, based soley on a Thread Title.
:oldlol:

[Chaddai]

Not as impressive as Karl Malone. That guy was still balling when he was like 39+ O_O.

[Doranku]

kobe is an amazing, awesome player, but his longevity is mediocre IMO.

he started by doing light-lifting his first couple years and by age 33 his knees were bone-on-bone cartilage ruins, probably exacerbated by all his hot-dogging and insistence on being the man.

many other great players were still playing championship ball (think jordan) at his age, but kobe was a fraction of a step away from retiring in 2012. fact.

then he goes to germany and has his own blood centrifuged into a HGH-rich injection which goes back into his knee.

and that made him a new man, just like it did with a couple others, but it also changed all the rules and all the statistics. no other great player in history is in that territory.

so yes, he's still a great, amazing player. and someone like lebron can only wish upon a star that he'll one day have a fraction of kobe's toughness and heart. but there's also a huge asterisk next to kobe's name, for good or for bad.....

:roll:

[EMERE]

As usual you have posters who will bring another name to distract posters from praising the guy who the thread was made for... really a shame..... you can see who to put on the ignore list and who not to, posters like that bring nothing to the board.

[bwink23]

The more i think about it....the LESS IMPRESSIVE it gets...

1. Came in at 18, automatic advantage in the "years" department.
2. Played sparingly his first 2 years.
3. Has missed over a year and half due to time off, injury, and strike-shortened seasons....(136 total games.)
4. Is currently just 33 years old.


Seems fairly average compared to other superstar players of all time.

[SacJB Shady]

nowdays athletes live longer, age slower

[bwink23]

As usual you have posters who will bring another name to distract posters from praising the guy who the thread was made for... really a shame..... you can see who to put on the ignore list and who not to, posters like that bring nothing to the board.


Like this topic hasn't been beat to death by Kobe homers around the world.....:no:

[EMERE]

Like this topic hasn't been beat to death by Kobe homers around the world.....:no:I shouldn't even respond to you because you are only driven by one goal, and that goal is to bash and bash, please get that negativity out of your system, maybe if you accomplish that you'll be the one who's longevity last long, think of you're family dude....... they care a lot about you...

[Mr. Jabbar]

All praise the enduring mamba. :bowdown:

[Solidape]

had to start early on his diabolical plans to destroy the Knicks franchise.

funny stuff like this is what makes ISH great, thanks man you made me crack up.

[bwink23]

I shouldn't even respond to you because you are only driven by one goal, and that goal is to bash and bash, please get that negativity out of your system, maybe if you accomplish that you'll be the one who's longevity last long, think of you're family dude....... they care a lot about you...


Think about this.....:hammerhead:

[EMERE]

Think about this.....:hammerhead:So you don't care about you're family? How sad, I guess you wont leave a mark on this world...... you'll just be a grave with countless of graves......

[Doranku]

The more i think about it....the LESS IMPRESSIVE it gets...

1. Came in at 18, automatic advantage in the "years" department.
2. Played sparingly his first 2 years.
3. Has missed over a year and half due to time off, injury, and strike-shortened seasons....(136 total games.)
4. Is currently just 33 years old.


Seems fairly average compared to other superstar players of all time.

Other players averages around 41000 career minutes:

Kobe - 29/6/5

Kareem - 22/8/3
Malone - 26/10/4
Moses - 19/10/2
Wilt - 21/18/4
Russell - 10/19/5

Bold = Comparable to Kobe
Italics = Close to Kobe, but Kobe >
Green = At or above career averages
Red = Below career averages
Gray = Slightly worse than career averages, but very close

Havlicek - 17/4/4 :confusedshrug:
Garnett - 14/7/3 :lol
Hakeem - 10/6/5 :lol
Oscar - 16/8/5 :confusedshrug:
Shaq - 9/5/1 :roll:
Scottie - 11/5/2 :oldlol:
Jordan - 20/6/4 :lol

Players that didn't even play 41k minutes total in their career, but came close. Their last seasons:

Barkley - 15/11/3
Ewing - 6/4/1
Duncan - 14/9/3

Can't even put Bird on here because he didn't even come close to 41k minutes. :roll: Dude only played 34k minutes for his career...


So Kobe along with Karl Malone are the only two players putting up better numbers than their career averages at their 41k minute mark. Meanwhile, a LOT of these guys have PITIFUL averages at this mark where they're a shell of their former selves.



But yeah, it's not impressive. :roll: F*ggot LeBron fan.

[RazorBaLade]

Other players averages around 41000 career minutes:

Kobe - 29/6/5

Kareem - 22/8/3
Malone - 26/10/4
Moses - 19/10/2
Wilt - 21/18/4
Russell - 10/19/5

Bold = Comparable to Kobe
Italics = Close to Kobe, but Kobe >
Green = At or above career averages
Red = Below career averages
Gray = Slightly worse than career averages, but very close

Havlicek - 17/4/4 :confusedshrug:
Garnett - 14/7/3 :lol
Hakeem - 10/6/5 :lol
Oscar - 16/8/5 :confusedshrug:
Shaq - 9/5/1 :roll:
Scottie - 11/5/2 :oldlol:
Jordan - 20/6/4 :lol

Players that didn't even play 41k minutes total in their career, but came close. Their last seasons:

Barkley - 15/11/3
Ewing - 6/4/1
Duncan - 14/9/3

Can't even put Bird on here because he didn't even come close to 41k minutes. :roll: Dude only played 34k minutes for his career...


So Kobe along with Karl Malone are the only two players putting up better numbers than their career averages at their 41k minute mark. Meanwhile, a LOT of these guys have PITIFUL averages at this mark where they're a shell of their former selves.



But yeah, it's not impressive. :roll: F*ggot LeBron fan.

ether

[bwink23]

ether


How many of those guys came into the league at 18 again?? :oldlol:

[Jotaro Durant]

How many of those guys came into the league at 18 again?? :oldlol:
u got gangbanged in this thread.just leave brah ur anus is wide open tbh:lol

[RazorBaLade]

How many of those guys came into the league at 18 again?? :oldlol:

So? He's played the same amount of minutes, he was resting until 20 pretty much anyways.

Since when is age some sort of magic number? You get older because of what you do. Someone who works in fields all day long knees won't be in the same shape as someone who works out in a gym once in a week and then chills in an office if they are both 35 yrs old.

[Dwade305]

Kobe looked unstoppable today. He toyed with Wade in the 1st q, than killed Battier the rest of the time. Kobe has Battier's defensive rhythm all figured btw, and I noticed since Shane was in Houston.. I know it sounds weird because it is usually defenders figuring out the offensive player, but Battier does not give Kobe many other looks other than smother defense, and Kobe quickly gets him.

[G-train]

I think he and Ray Allen are really setting standard for preparation each season as a guard.

[1987_Lakers]

Other players averages around 41000 career minutes:

Kobe - 29/6/5

Kareem - 22/8/3
Malone - 26/10/4
Moses - 19/10/2
Wilt - 21/18/4
Russell - 10/19/5

Bold = Comparable to Kobe
Italics = Close to Kobe, but Kobe >
Green = At or above career averages
Red = Below career averages
Gray = Slightly worse than career averages, but very close

Havlicek - 17/4/4 :confusedshrug:
Garnett - 14/7/3 :lol
Hakeem - 10/6/5 :lol
Oscar - 16/8/5 :confusedshrug:
Shaq - 9/5/1 :roll:
Scottie - 11/5/2 :oldlol:
Jordan - 20/6/4 :lol

Players that didn't even play 41k minutes total in their career, but came close. Their last seasons:

Barkley - 15/11/3
Ewing - 6/4/1
Duncan - 14/9/3

Can't even put Bird on here because he didn't even come close to 41k minutes. :roll: Dude only played 34k minutes for his career...


So Kobe along with Karl Malone are the only two players putting up better numbers than their career averages at their 41k minute mark. Meanwhile, a LOT of these guys have PITIFUL averages at this mark where they're a shell of their former selves.



But yeah, it's not impressive. :roll: F*ggot LeBron fan.

lol, destroyed.

[1987_Lakers]

u got gangbanged in this thread.just leave brah ur anus is wide open tbh:lol
:applause:

[NewYorkNoPicks]

He's 33 years old.......:facepalm , barely played his first 2 years. But overall it's impressive.

Close to 200 post season games played

+ 82 games x 16 seasons

Regardless of his age the amount of miles on his body is tremendous

[bwink23]

Close to 200 post season games played

+ 82 games x 16 seasons

Regardless of his age the amount of miles on his body is tremendous


he's only played 82 games in a year 4 times....:facepalm

[sodap]

when kobe retires, NBA will stand for no bryant anymore

[DKLaker]

Other players averages around 41000 career minutes:

Kobe - 29/6/5

Kareem - 22/8/3
Malone - 26/10/4
Moses - 19/10/2
Wilt - 21/18/4
Russell - 10/19/5

Bold = Comparable to Kobe
Italics = Close to Kobe, but Kobe >
Green = At or above career averages
Red = Below career averages
Gray = Slightly worse than career averages, but very close

Havlicek - 17/4/4 :confusedshrug:
Garnett - 14/7/3 :lol
Hakeem - 10/6/5 :lol
Oscar - 16/8/5 :confusedshrug:
Shaq - 9/5/1 :roll:
Scottie - 11/5/2 :oldlol:
Jordan - 20/6/4 :lol

Players that didn't even play 41k minutes total in their career, but came close. Their last seasons:

Barkley - 15/11/3
Ewing - 6/4/1
Duncan - 14/9/3

Can't even put Bird on here because he didn't even come close to 41k minutes. :roll: Dude only played 34k minutes for his career...


So Kobe along with Karl Malone are the only two players putting up better numbers than their career averages at their 41k minute mark. Meanwhile, a LOT of these guys have PITIFUL averages at this mark where they're a shell of their former selves.



But yeah, it's not impressive. :roll: F*ggot LeBron fan.


:cheers: I'm positive you made that loser cry!!!!!!!

[TheAesirsFinest]

I just hope my future grandchildren will live long enough to see Kobe play.

Also, if anybody knows an incredibly good young and old Kobe mix, hit me up please.

[Eric Cartman]

Seen the young generation of star currently in the NBA, it's gonna be a sad day when Kobe retires. :(

[Doranku]

Seen the young generation of star currently in the NBA, it's gonna be a sad day when Kobe retires. :(

Indeed. :cry:

[Mr. Jabbar]

The day kobe retires is gonna feel hollow, very hollow for the nba, haters included. Accolades aside, players with that kind of skill and mindset come once in a lifetime. Jordan, Kobe are on a tier of their own in this department.

[bluechox2]

we'll get over it

[Kobe 4 The Win]

So let me get this straight. Now Kobe bashers are using his knee procedure in Germany as some kind of a knock on him?

f**kin' haters. lol

[dude77]

Other players averages around 41000 career minutes:

Kobe - 29/6/5

Kareem - 22/8/3
Malone - 26/10/4
Moses - 19/10/2
Wilt - 21/18/4
Russell - 10/19/5

Bold = Comparable to Kobe
Italics = Close to Kobe, but Kobe >
Green = At or above career averages
Red = Below career averages
Gray = Slightly worse than career averages, but very close

Havlicek - 17/4/4 :confusedshrug:
Garnett - 14/7/3 :lol
Hakeem - 10/6/5 :lol
Oscar - 16/8/5 :confusedshrug:
Shaq - 9/5/1 :roll:
Scottie - 11/5/2 :oldlol:
Jordan - 20/6/4 :lol

Players that didn't even play 41k minutes total in their career, but came close. Their last seasons:

Barkley - 15/11/3
Ewing - 6/4/1
Duncan - 14/9/3

Can't even put Bird on here because he didn't even come close to 41k minutes. :roll: Dude only played 34k minutes for his career...


So Kobe along with Karl Malone are the only two players putting up better numbers than their career averages at their 41k minute mark. Meanwhile, a LOT of these guys have PITIFUL averages at this mark where they're a shell of their former selves.



But yeah, it's not impressive. :roll: F*ggot LeBron fan.

kobe bryant is 33 .. age trumps minutes .. you're comparing his stats as a ****ing 33 yr old to a 40 yr old jordan, 39 yr old shaq, 37 yr old kareem, etc etc etc .. you lose all credibility and you're a phggt for trying to sneak this garbage through ..

the more I read this thread .. the more I see kobe's 'great longetivity', while deserving credit, is being overhyped ..

bwink brings up some good points that kobe stans are scared to admit .. because they are .. true

[Rashard]

I just hope my future grandchildren will live long enough to see Kobe play.

Also, if anybody knows an incredibly good young and old Kobe mix, hit me up please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar7bKvGBMlU&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL90EDC0532BB8E814

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Even Indiana Jones said "It's not the years , it's the milage". Kobe is up there in both. Dude's longevity is legendary. It's not just the injuries and physical fatigue it's the mental fatigue. That's why Jordan took a couple of timeouts. Kobe handled it better than Jordan and the media is even worse now than it was in Jordan's day. Everybody's up your a$$. Facebook, Twitter and what have you.

[oh the horror]

kobe bryant is 33 .. age trumps minutes .. you're comparing his stats as a ****ing 33 yr old to a 40 yr old jordan, 39 yr old shaq, 37 yr old kareem, etc etc etc .. you lose all credibility and you're a phggt for trying to sneak this garbage through ..

the more I read this thread .. the more I see kobe's 'great longetivity', while deserving credit, is being overhyped ..

bwink brings up some good points that kobe stans are scared to admit .. because they are .. true


Im sorry but if adults have to explain the difference in sports, between someone's age, and the mileage on their body with minutes played, then there is literally no point in explaining it to you, because clearly, you wouldnt get it, even if it was broken down to simple points.


And as for bwink. Im not sure why some of you are bothering with that shmuck. He is CLEARLY just going to argue petty points.



Either this kid here, and the other idiot are YOUNG AS F*CK, or, the dumbest adults around. As an NBA fan of over 20 years, I marvel at the fact that Kobe, 16 seasons into his career is still producing the way he is.


Ive seen MANY players come into the league, and exit JUST AS QUICKLY. TREATMENTS OR NOT. His peers (Vince, TMac, Iverson, etc) have MOSTLY fallen off. It is what it is.



If this simple fact is too complex for these children here to at LEAST give a iota of props to, then I say screw em'

[no pun intended]

The NBA will be so weird without Kobe, just like it is now without Jordan. I can't wait until the torch is passed.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

Yeah, it's pretty incredible. The guy is still playing at such a high level and he has tons of miles on his body. Tons of minutes and long playoff/finals seasons.

I spent years trying to discredit him but I had to stop. It was silly. The guy deserves his props.

[dude77]

Im sorry but if adults have to explain the difference in sports, between someone's age, and the mileage on their body with minutes played, then there is literally no point in explaining it to you, because clearly, you wouldnt get it, even if it was broken down to simple points.


And as for bwink. Im not sure why some of you are bothering with that shmuck. He is CLEARLY just going to argue petty points.



Either this kid here, and the other idiot are YOUNG AS F*CK, or, the dumbest adults around. As an NBA fan of over 20 years, I marvel at the fact that Kobe, 16 seasons into his career is still producing the way he is.


Ive seen MANY players come into the league, and exit JUST AS QUICKLY. TREATMENTS OR NOT. His peers (Vince, TMac, Iverson, etc) have MOSTLY fallen off. It is what it is.



If this simple fact is too complex for these children here to at LEAST give a iota of props to, then I say screw em'

.. no one's taking anything away from his accomplishments .. but to try to sit there with a bold face and compare a 40,39,37 with a 33 yr old is grade a trolling

[rs98762001]

Yeah, it's pretty incredible. The guy is still playing at such a high level and he has tons of miles on his body. Tons of minutes and long playoff/finals seasons.

I spent years trying to discredit him but I had to stop. It was silly. The guy deserves his props.
I really thought after last season that Kobe was on his way down. But his play this year has been nothing short of phenomenal, despite the occasional ball-hogging and poor shot selection (although neither of those have been markedly worse than at other times in his career). For a guy who has his age and mileage to still be in the top 3 MVP discussion, holding his own against brilliant 20-somethings like KD and LBJ, is genuinely impressive.

On top of that, he is/was the first real all-time great who came of age in the internet era. Every bit of every game was placed under the microscope, argued about and discussed, which makes even more difficult than normal to put his brilliance in context. I think without a doubt we're seeing the waning days of someone who'll be eventually seen as one of the six or seven greatest players of all time.

[SwayDizzle]

All praise the enduring mamba. :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Simple Jack]

I'm actually not surprised, as amazing as it is. For 1, he's incredibly resilient when it comes to injuries. Fortunately nothing super serious has happened, but he seems to have a very high pain threshold. Also, the dude stays in top shape all the time. He's the first guy in the gym and the last to leave (even when he was at the olympics with a team full of all-stars).

Lastly, I didn't notice a huge drop-off of any sort last season or rather anything to indicate that he would start to decline. I mean clearly he's not the guy he was a few years ago but he's still capable of playing the game at a high level and will be for a few more years barring he doesn't suffer some unlucky serious injury.

[bdreason]

HGH is a hell of a drug. I've considered taking it myself, but it's too expensive for me to justify.

[Eric Cartman]

HGH is a hell of a drug. I've considered taking it myself, but it's too expensive for me to justify.

This might satisfy your comedy appeal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PR_rzF8ofw

[Cali Syndicate]

Karl Malone never missed any number of multiple games due to injury throughout his entire career til it happened his very last season. Karl was a bruiser too and was practically the number one guy his entire career. Would have been 18 straight seasons with 80+ games had it not been for the 99 lockout...That's just crazy. If Kobe's longevity is "really amazing," which don't get me wrong cause it is, then Karl's longevity was straight up out of this world.

[Legends66NBA7]

Karl Malone never missed any number of multiple games due to injury throughout his entire career til it happened his very last season. Karl was a bruiser too and was practically the number one guy his entire career. Would have been 18 straight seasons with 80+ games had it not been for the 99 lockout...That's just crazy. If Kobe's longevity is "really amazing," which don't get me wrong cause it is, then Karl's longevity was straight up out of this world.

+1.

I would also add in Elvin Hayes to that list.

He missed only 9 regular season games in 16 seasons. The most games he missed in a season was 2. He averaged 38.4 minutes per game, led the league in minutes per game twice, total minutes played 4 times, and is one of 3 players to play 50,000+ minutes in their regular season career, only.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

he's only played 82 games in a year 4 times....:facepalm

Are you like the guy at work who considers your employees late if they come in at 9:03 instead of 9?

I obviously didnt goto Kobes player page and look up the exact details. Anyone can read numbers off a page ***, I was merely proving a point without getting the EXACT numbers. The point is still proven however despite your nitpicking at insignificant details; the vast majority of 16 seasons plus an additional 2 years of equivalent playing time from all the post season games as well

[chips93]

I'm actually not surprised, as amazing as it is. For 1, he's incredibly resilient when it comes to injuries. Fortunately nothing super serious has happened, but he seems to have a very high pain threshold. Also, the dude stays in top shape all the time. He's the first guy in the gym and the last to leave (even when he was at the olympics with a team full of all-stars).

Lastly, I didn't notice a huge drop-off of any sort last season or rather anything to indicate that he would start to decline. I mean clearly he's not the guy he was a few years ago but he's still capable of playing the game at a high level and will be for a few more years barring he doesn't suffer some unlucky serious injury.

was it last year or the year before he was having those back issues

i recall him playing in san antonio and he looked crippled, i thought then that he would play himself into the ground, and having retired by now.

guess not

[Ol Dirty Bastard]

It really is an amazing story. 17 years, surpassing many of his opponents from years back and still playing like he can't slow down.

[I.R.Beast]

He's 33 years old.......:facepalm , barely played his first 2 years. But overall it's impressive.
spoken like a true couch potato that has never played sports. Any with any experience playing a sport for x amount of years knows that being OLD in sports has more to do with mileage than age. It's called wear and tear my friend.

[I.R.Beast]

A great question is...how many of these new guys do you see being anywhere near as good as Bryant is by the time they reach 12+ seasons? Durant is 1 of the few i see. Melo's game should be consistent for a while too.

[bwink23]

spoken like a true couch potato that has never played sports. Any with any experience playing a sport for x amount of years knows that being OLD in sports has more to do with mileage than age. It's called wear and tear my friend.


Anyone with a brain knows the effects of getting old, especially in your mid-30's....:facepalm

Spoken like a true youngster :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

still the best player in the league....


est. 2001

[bwink23]

Let me put it this way...Kobe's perseverance is more impressive than his longevity.

[32jazz]

Well it helps when you don't have to carry a team for your first 8 years. Coming off the bench for 2 years also softens the wear and tear to your body as well.

And lets not pretend that Kobe was playing a full 82 games for his entire career either.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html


The myth that MJ 'carried' his teams is where you fail with your hate:no:

When MJ retired in '94 those Bulls he supposedly 'carried' they barely missed a beat with a CBA journeyman Pete 'frigging' Myers. Actually would have improved their w/l total from the previous season considering Pippen missed 10 games in which they went(3-7).

Those Bulls teammates he supposedly 'carried' not only near improve without him in the w/l column ,but they also were collectively more efficient(shot better fg% without MJ)

Had the Bulls gone after a legitimate NBA SG(like Derek Harper who was available & ended up improving the Knicks that beat the Bulls in 7) & not the CBA journeyman Pete 'friggin' Myers they are back in the NBA Finals.


Pete 'friggin' Myers could have held down the regular season for MJ:eek:

Please stop with MJ 'carried' the Bulls nonsense/myth.

Just imagine Smush Parker replacing Kobe & leaving a Parker/D Fish backcourt:facepalm. It would get ugly.

[Rnbizzle]

had to start early on his diabolical plans to destroy the Knicks franchise.
:roll: :roll: :roll: