Jeremiah Lin hurting with Marshmellow in the lineup

[IamRAMBO24]

"Jeremy Lin has been the prevalent story on every NBA fans' mind over the last week. He has exploded in the last few games, including a career day against the Lakers with 38 points and seven assists in the fourth consecutive Knicks win. With superstars Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony poised to come back soon, it seems that the Knicks can now start thinking about contending for a championship, right?

Wrong. What we are forgetting is the root of the problem in the Knicks' game plan all season: Carmelo Anthony. For his whole career, Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni has run a system that is predicated on transition, quick decision-making and high point-guard control. For his whole career, Carmelo Anthony has been a slow methodical half-court player.

When 'Melo came to the Knicks, we knew something had to give. With 14 players on the roster understanding that the coach wants to run, you would expect Anthony to mold his game in order to fit the needs of the team. However, Knicks fans' worst fears have come to fruition, as 'Melo has forced the whole team to mold to him. While this is a system that worked in Denver, the Knicks don't have the personnel to be able to pull off an offense centered around watching 'Melo go to work.

So what about the Knicks now? Why have they been successful? It's because they have played to their game plan; what they were coached and what the personnel were brought in to do: run. Jeremy Lin has been the main catalyst in this change, as he has not been shy to push the tempo and attack the lane. The introduction of Lin has been invigorating to the Knicks lineup, and they have rattled off four straight wins.

Amar'e Stoudemire will return at some point to the Knicks lineup as well. However, I think that the reintroduction of Amar'e will actually help Lin's game. STAT has experience working off of a ball-dominant point guard, and I believe that Lin plays to the strengths of Amar'e in terms of running and decision making. Amar'e should only make the Knicks better.

However, Carmelo will do exactly the opposite for the Knicks when he returns. He will take the ball out of the hands of the point guard and try to get his, instead of focusing on the needs of the team. This is what he has done his whole career.

The one time he was most successful was when he played next to Chauncey Billups, who did not necessarily need the ball in his hands and could create space with a deadly three-point shot. For all of Jeremy Lin's strengths, spot up three-point shooting is not one of them. Fact is, 'Melo will take the ball out of Jeremy Lin's hands, and the team performance will suffer once again.

So what can the Knicks do? They have $60 million tied up in a player who just does not fit with the team. This will be a much-debated question throughout the season and for the rest of Carmelo Anthony's tenure in New York."


Some things you now have to consider:

- Linsanity is dead

- Lin's stats with Melo in the lineup: 15.8 points 3.8 rebounds 6.8 assists 1 steal 6 turnovers 42.1 FG%

- Without Melo: 25.9 points 5 rebounds 9.2 assists 3.2 steals 3.2 turnovers 55.8 FG%

The Knicks are losing again. FACT

[Derka]

...why did it never occur to me until now to call him Marshmelo? That was awesome.

[IamRAMBO24]

I'm sorry but Melo supporters are the dumbest ISH posters alive. Why the f*ck are you watching basketball when you don't know sh*t about it?

What a bunch of losers. I swear. Go play ping pong or something morons.

[(e)]

The Knicks beat up on scrubs (sans Lakers) during "Linsanity"

And I lol'ed at marshmallow

[DMV2]

The Knicks beat up on scrubs (sans Lakers) during "Linsanity"

The greatest scrubs ever assembled?
http://photos.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2011/06/13/AP11061301719_t653.jpg

[Real Men Wear Green]

Blaming Melo for Lin's struggles is bs. If not for Melo NY loses by 20 last night, Melo is not the one making Lin turn the ball over 6 times and miss lay-ups. The only "issue" Melo's presence causes Lin is that Lin no longer has the ball in his hands for 3/4 of every possession. And against defenders like Rondo and Bradley frankly that's a good thing because he wasn't effective. Bottom line is that Lin has to improve as a ballhandler. He can be good, even great, but he's got some work to do.

[Eric Cartman]

Funny thing is Lin's defense is the worse of any point guard i've seen in the last 10 years while not being under control with the huge turnover numbers. Boston & Miami games were absolutely pathetic.

[IamRAMBO24]

Marshmello is now 10L - 18W.

That means with him in the lineup (35 win %), they are no better than the Bucks.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Funny thing is Lin's defense is the worse of any point guard i've seen in the last 10 years while not being under control with the huge turnover numbers. Boston & Miami games were absolutely pathetic.
Worst in 10 years? That's a bit hyperbolic.

[IamRAMBO24]

Blaming Melo for Lin's struggles is bs. If not for Melo NY loses by 20 last night, Melo is not the one making Lin turn the ball over 6 times and miss lay-ups. The only "issue" Melo's presence causes Lin is that Lin no longer has the ball in his hands for 3/4 of every possession. And against defenders like Rondo and Bradley frankly that's a good thing because he wasn't effective. Bottom line is that Lin has to improve as a ballhandler. He can be good, even great, but he's got some work to do.

First of all, the fact you cannot recognize the huge improvement without Melo makes you a complete idiot.

With Melo in the lineup, the Knicks (with a stack team I might add) is only as good as the Bucks (a team full of scrubs and brandon jennings).

Second, do you just watch the highlights and look for fancy dunks, iso plays, and fade aways? I know juvenile kids like you get huge boners over that sh*t, but veterans like me (y'know purist aka PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THE F*CK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT) see something more than 15 second clips.

You have absolutely no argument homie.

10-18 is pretty damn pathetic.

[IamRAMBO24]

Lin can't run his game with Melo controlling the team.

Melo's gonna have to step back and let him do his thing or the Knicks need to trade him.

Melo's strategy just aint working.

That is why Lin has lost his confidence. He is picky with his shots, too concern with getting Melo involve, and changed his role to hold Melo's balls.

If you watch all the games without Melo, his ballhandling was NOT THAT bad. The guy has lost it. He has caved in and made himself Melo's little b*tch even going as far as saying, "I don't understand why people say he's not a team player."

Has he been living under a cave and NOT been watching any Knicks game this year? Melo makes Kobe look like John Stockton. I've lost faith in Lin; he's a f*ckin idiot for being such a lil b*tch.

[FKAri]

Funny thing is Lin's defense is the worse of any point guard i've seen in the last 10 years while not being under control with the huge turnover numbers. Boston & Miami games were absolutely pathetic.

Lin doesnt fight over screens, he overhelps, and doesnt box out his man. That's all teachable. But his man on man isnt nearly that bad. Rondo couldnt get by Lin on isolations. It was pathetic. He was airballing contested layups. Once they started screening more for Rondo, Lin was lost and Rondo had free reign. Lin and the entire Knicks team needs to work on pnr defense as it destroys them. Calderon killed em the exact same way until the Shumpert/Jeffries combo came in.

[Real Men Wear Green]

First of all, the fact you cannot recognize the huge improvement without Melo makes you a complete idiot.No, "complete idiot" would be like comparing Iverson to Brandon Jennings.


Second, do you just watch the highlights and look for fancy dunks, iso plays, and fade aways? I know juvenile kids like you get huge boners over that sh*t, but veterans like me (y'know purist aka PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THE F*CK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT) we see something more than 15 second clips.
Neither of us knows what you're talking about.

[stephanieg]

The proper bawful nickname for Melo is Carmelanoma.

[LABean]

They need to trade Melo ASAP.
His value has gone down and it keeps going down.
We'll give you MWP for him.
Only reason we would take Melo is to trade him for Deron.
We'll use his trade value wisely. :lol

[IamRAMBO24]

No, "complete idiot" would be like comparing Iverson to Brandon Jennings.




No. An idiot is someone who is too f*ckin stupid to comprehend a simple statement, "Brandon Jennings reminds me of a young Iverson with his quick first step, outside shot, and quick hands."

Stop being such a pipsqueak and try to multilate my statement and make it out like he is another clone of Iverson. Loser.

[Yanch856]

OP is a ***?

You know what, I'm going to defend him. Watch Jeremy Lin. The teams trap him in the perimeter, so he passes to the open man standing on the other side of the perimeter. Melo. What does he do? Jacks up a frigging long 2 or 3. When Melo has been shooing 8 of 21. SMH.

If Jeremy Lin had Shump as that perimeter man, you know what Shump would have done? He's open, he gets the ball and he goes straight for the rim. He punishes the other team for ganging up on Lin. He gets fouled, or dunks.

Novak? He would have burried a 3 in your face.

They do this a few times, and the other team stays off Jeremy Lin. This is what NY needs. A strategy to keep the teams honest so they can play their basketball. You know the one play where Melo got desperate at the end of regulation? He actually took the ball aggressively to the hole off a Lin double team, and scored. That's what he should be doing on EVERY single play. You double Jeremy Lin? Give me the ball. I am Melo and any single coverage I'm going to let you pay. Is Melo doing this? If he took the ball to the rim aggressively every time and just dunked the sh*t out of the ball Knicks would have problem solved. Instead he either takes an ill-advised long 2, drives like he's lost a step, jumps without elevation and gets blocked by who? Bass? WTH? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm At one point he was blocked like 3x in a row, caught by Amare, and he was clean blocked from behind. What can I say??

You may as well bring back Jefferies cos his defense is >>>>> Amare right now.

A lot of people say I'm a Melo hater and Lin homer but come on man, wake up and smell the flowers. Let's say you replace Melo for Shawn Marion for the Dantoni's 04/05 Suns. How much of the 7s and less offense are you just destroyed?

[Real Men Wear Green]

No. An idiot is someone who is too f*ckin stupid to comprehend a simple statement, "Brandon Jennings reminds me of a young Iverson with his quick first step, outside shot, and quick hands."

Stop being such a pipsqueak and try to multilate my statement and make it out like he is another clone of Iverson. Loser.
"Comparing" is defined as "representing as similar." You may want to work on your vocabulary a long with the other evident deficiencies.

[ballashotcalla]

Melo is adding great value to the team as it is now.

Amare is holding them back. His defensive rotations are crap.

I'd like to see melo get position deeper in the post.

[Jordan-esque]

Some things you now have to consider:

- Linsanity is dead

- Lin's stats with Melo in the lineup: 15.8 points 3.8 rebounds 6.8 assists 1 steal 6 turnovers 42.1 FG%

- Without Melo: 25.9 points 5 rebounds 9.2 assists 3.2 steals 3.2 turnovers 55.8 FG%

The Knicks are losing again. FACT

Slight correction, but your "without Melo" stats is not completely accurate.

Lin played in 7 games without Carmelo Anthony:

25.0 points
9.5 assists
5.0 rebounds
2.3 steals
6.5 turnovers
0.507 FG%

Still, impressive numbers.

[Real Men Wear Green]

OP is a ***?

You know what, I'm going to defend him. Watch Jeremy Lin. The teams trap him in the perimeter, so he passes to the open man standing on the other side of the perimeter. Melo. What does he do? Jacks up a frigging long 2 or 3. When Melo has been shooing 8 of 21. SMH.

If Jeremy Lin had Shump as that perimeter man, you know what Shump would have done? He's open, he gets the ball and he goes straight for the rim. He punishes the other team for ganging up on Lin. He gets fouled, or dunks.

Novak? He would have burried a 3 in your face.

They do this a few times, and the other team stays off Jeremy Lin. This is what NY needs. A strategy to keep the teams honest so they can play their basketball. You know the one play where Melo got desperate at the end of regulation? He actually took the ball aggressively to the hole off a Lin double team, and scored. That's what he should be doing on EVERY single play. You double Jeremy Lin? Give me the ball. I am Melo and any single coverage I'm going to let you pay. Is Melo doing this? If he took the ball to the rim aggressively every time and just dunked the sh*t out of the ball Knicks would have problem solved. Instead he either takes an ill-advised long 2, drives like he's lost a step, jumps without elevation and gets blocked by who? Bass? WTH? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm At one point he was blocked like 3x in a row, caught by Amare, and he was clean blocked from behind. What can I say??

You may as well bring back Jefferies cos his defense is >>>>> Amare right now.
Melo had a poor overall shooting night but he was the man in the 4th. Other than Lin's three he hit every clutch bucket NY got. The shot to put NY ahead before Pierce's big 3 was Melo. It's not easy to just march in on the Celtic D and "dunk the shit out of the ball," guys like KG aren't having that if they can stop you. Melo wasn't blameless for the loss but overall he played well. If you have to point the finger don't ignore the Knick PGs turning the ball over 12 times, 6 of which Lin was responsible for. Lin can be a good player but the ballhandling clearly needs work.

[Yanch856]

Blaming Melo for Lin's struggles is bs. If not for Melo NY loses by 20 last night, Melo is not the one making Lin turn the ball over 6 times and miss lay-ups. The only "issue" Melo's presence causes Lin is that Lin no longer has the ball in his hands for 3/4 of every possession. And against defenders like Rondo and Bradley frankly that's a good thing because he wasn't effective. Bottom line is that Lin has to improve as a ballhandler. He can be good, even great, but he's got some work to do.

Did you watch the game? 3rd Quarter. Melo and the first unit took a nose dive and was down 17 before Dantoni had to sub in the complete second unit. 5 man sub. This is what brought the Knicks back. Melo provided clutch moments in the end I don't discredit this, but Knicks at half time was poised to blow this Celtics team apart.

Charles Barkley brings a distaste to my mouth but he stated the truth when Melo/Stat were coming back: They'll figure out ways to score, but these two have to defend. Otherwise it's more of the same.

[ballashotcalla]

Melo had a poor overall shooting night but he was the man in the 4th. Other than Lin's three he hit every clutch bucket NY got. The shot to put NY ahead before Pierce's big 3 was Melo. It's not easy to just march in on the Celtic D and "dunk the shit out of the ball," guys like KG aren't having that if they can stop you. Melo wasn't blameless for the loss but overall he played well. If you have to point the finger don't ignore the Knick PGs turning the ball over 12 times, 6 of which Lin was responsible for. Lin can be a good player but the ballhandling clearly needs work.

He had no ballhandling TO. It was all on being aggressive.

There are good TO and terrible TO. Lin's had his fair share of terrible TO, but past 2 games, he's had none.

[Yanch856]

Melo had a poor overall shooting night but he was the man in the 4th. Other than Lin's three he hit every clutch bucket NY got. The shot to put NY ahead before Pierce's big 3 was Melo. It's not easy to just march in on the Celtic D and "dunk the shit out of the ball," guys like KG aren't having that if they can stop you. Melo wasn't blameless for the loss but overall he played well. If you have to point the finger don't ignore the Knick PGs turning the ball over 12 times, 6 of which Lin was responsible for. Lin can be a good player but the ballhandling clearly needs work.

I don't want Melo's heroics bailing out a team that should have bullied this Celtics team into submission and double digits. Did you see how dominant our front line was in the second quarter? Then the starters came in and basically lazy Melo Amare D, Lin not looking like he knows any defense and before you know it we're down by 17. Hello? kinda similar to Cavs game?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Did you watch the game?. 3rd Quarter. Melo and the first unit took a nose dive and was down 17 before Dantoni had to sub in the complete second unit. 5 man sub. This is what brought the Knicks back. Melo provided clutch moments in the end I don't discredit this, but Knicks at half time was poised to blow this Celtics team apart. Melo had 11 points in the 4th. I'd say that was pretty important. Please don't ask stupid questions.

Charles Barkley brings a distaste to my mouth but he stated the truth when Melo/Stat were coming back: They'll figure out ways to score, but these two have to defend. Otherwise it's more of the same.
I won't defend Anthony's defense but the only starting Knick that plays good d is Chandler. Melo is partially to blame but the coaching staff has to emphasize D if the team is going to play it.

[RRR3]

The proper bawful nickname for Melo is Carmelanoma.
Nah, it's "Carmelo Anti-D"

[Real Men Wear Green]

He had no ballhandling TO. It was all on being aggressive.

There are good TO and terrible TO. Lin's had his fair share of terrible TO, but past 2 games, he's had none.
A turnover is a turnover. There are no good TOs, and whether you want to excuse it based on him being "aggressive" or whatever the important things is he is a point guard that will routinely get 6 turnovers when he starts a game. That's a bad thing. This is not me hating, I like him. But he's a flawed player with something to work on in the offseason if he wants to be great.
I don't want Melo's heroics bailing out a team that should have bullied this Celtics team into submission and double digits. Did you see how dominant our front line was in the second quarter? Then the starters came in and basically lazy Melo Amare D, Lin not looking like he knows any defense and before you know it we're down by 17. Hello? kinda similar to Cavs game?
The Celtic have 2 All-Stars and 4 good starters. You may not realize this but they're capable of very good basketball, and NY is a .500 ballclub. Knicks aren't on the Heat or Thunder's level where their fans should be expecting to dominate respectable ballclubs.

[konex]

His stats are down because they've played the Heat, Celtics and a pissed-off D-Will. Are we really gonna blame Melo for Lin getting destroyed by better players and teams gearing up to stop him? :confusedshrug:

[Yanch856]

The Celtic have 2 All-Stars and 4 good starters. You may not realize this but they're capable of very good basketball, and NY is a .500 ballclub. Knicks aren't on the Heat or Thunder's level where their fans should be expecting to dominate respectable ballclubs.

:facepalm Did you watch the second quarter?

[Real Men Wear Green]

:facepalm Did you watch the second quarter?
Did you know that basketball is a game of runs? And didn't I tell you to stop asking these kinds of questions? Celtics outscored NY by 13 in the 3rd. Does that mean they should have won by 52? You don't seem to realize that the other team can play, too.

[airchibundo507]

Did you watch the game? 3rd Quarter. Melo and the first unit took a nose dive and was down 17 before Dantoni had to sub in the complete second unit. 5 man sub. This is what brought the Knicks back. Melo provided clutch moments in the end I don't discredit this, but Knicks at half time was poised to blow this Celtics team apart.

Charles Barkley brings a distaste to my mouth but he stated the truth when Melo/Stat were coming back: They'll figure out ways to score, but these two have to defend. Otherwise it's more of the same.

Melo picked up his fourth foul with 6:30 left in the third quarter. He had had zero shots that quarter and left the game with the Knicks down 4 before it ballooned to 15 with him on the bench.

[airchibundo507]

Melo shot 8-21 from the field. On one possession he missed three consecutive lay-ups, gathering his own offensive board each time, before he was fouled and put to the free throw line. Those three misses were not detrimental to the Knicks at all.

Thus, Melo was closer to 8-18 FG for the night, which isn't bad against an elite defense when he is in a shooting slump.

Had the Knicks prevented Pierce's heroic three pointer, Melo would have been the hero of the night with 23 points on 8-17 FG. He cooled down noticeably in OT as the offense went back to Lin ball with Melo forced to take bail out shots.

[Yanch856]

His stats are down because they've played the Heat, Celtics and a pissed-off D-Will. Are we really gonna blame Melo for Lin getting destroyed by better players and teams gearing up to stop him? :confusedshrug:

Basically the league has figured out that if you double or trap lin off the pick and roll, you can force the ball out of his hands and beat the Knicks. Why? Cos Lin's ball ends up in the hands of your so call superstars Amare and Melo. Even playing 4 on 3 they go up and still gets blocked consistently by Bass and KG. Come on man. You know Lebron would have dunked that in KG's face.

[airchibundo507]

I really don't know why I bother with this board. I swear this has to be the dumbest NBA forum on the web besides ESPN.

[ImmortalNemesis]

Just wait till J.R Smith comes back. He's our franchise changer.

[Yanch856]

I really don't know why I bother with this board. I swear this has to be the dumbest NBA forum on the web besides ESPN.

Speak for yourself:oldlol:

I don't know why u bother defending Melo. If nothing else it is a vulnerable political position for you. You know the NY media is coming to get him if he doesn't win soon. What exactly are you going to do?

For example, "Knicks D was top 5 in the league before Melo came back". "Melo missed the last shot in regulation. Clutch my a$$" Give the ball to Jeremy Lin.

I mean, you guys can bash Lin all you want, but he's playing a good hand. The reason why you can't play the blame game with Lin is because he's already passed the buck to
Stat and Melo. Soon as they came back, he's heaving praise on his superstars, passing out to Stat/Melo whenever he gets doubled. He's basically saying, ok if we lose, it's on Melo. I did what coached asked me to do as best as I could. Which is true. So you can complain about Lin all you want. he may not be executing as well as he could, but I don't blame him for Knicks loss for sure.

[Dwade305]

Just wait till J.R Smith comes back. He's our franchise changer.
Davis is the savior

[Blue&Orange]

First of all, the fact you cannot recognize the huge improvement without Melo makes you a complete idiot.

With Melo in the lineup, the Knicks (with a stack team I might add) is only as good as the Bucks (a team full of scrubs and brandon jennings).

Second, do you just watch the highlights and look for fancy dunks, iso plays, and fade aways? I know juvenile kids like you get huge boners over that sh*t, but veterans like me (y'know purist aka PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THE F*CK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT) see something more than 15 second clips.

You have absolutely no argument homie.

10-18 is pretty damn pathetic.
You're so retarded that you make me wanna kill myself. More retarded than you only the people that try to argue with you.

Lin can't run his game with Melo controlling the team.

Melo usage since returning = 21, his career average is 31. :lol
Lin usage still remains one of the highest of the league.


Has he been living under a cave and NOT been watching any Knicks game this year?

Yes because you are a Knicks fan and you see Knicks games. :facepalm

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There's always
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[June1026]

Lin doesnt fight over screens, he overhelps, and doesnt box out his man. That's all teachable. But his man on man isnt nearly that bad. Rondo couldnt get by Lin on isolations. It was pathetic. He was airballing contested layups. Once they started screening more for Rondo, Lin was lost and Rondo had free reign. Lin and the entire Knicks team needs to work on pnr defense as it destroys them. Calderon killed em the exact same way until the Shumpert/Jeffries combo came in.

Word, Lin's man on man was pretty good yesterday, Rondo couldn't make a lay-up with Lin on him.

[Yanch856]

Lin doesnt fight over screens, he overhelps, and doesnt box out his man. That's all teachable. But his man on man isnt nearly that bad. Rondo couldnt get by Lin on isolations. It was pathetic. He was airballing contested layups. Once they started screening more for Rondo, Lin was lost and Rondo had free reign. Lin and the entire Knicks team needs to work on pnr defense as it destroys them. Calderon killed em the exact same way until the Shumpert/Jeffries combo came in.

But the question is, why isn't the Knicks running the same screens for Lin??? I tear my eye balls out watching him getting trapped game after game now. Then all the haters come out to hate.

[Yanch856]

Alas, let's not forget who we traded for Melo:

1. Gallo.
2. Chandler.
3. Felton.
4. Mozgov.

For Melo??? Gallo alone is playing better than Melo now. Let's just think for a second,

Felton/Lin.
Fields/JR.
Gallo/Chandler.
Amare/Novak.
Chandler/Jefferies.

No melo, but wow.

[Yanch856]

Melo shot 8-21 from the field. On one possession he missed three consecutive lay-ups, gathering his own offensive board each time, before he was fouled and put to the free throw line. Those three misses were not detrimental to the Knicks at all.

Thus, Melo was closer to 8-18 FG for the night, which isn't bad against an elite defense when he is in a shooting slump.

Had the Knicks prevented Pierce's heroic three pointer, Melo would have been the hero of the night with 23 points on 8-17 FG. He cooled down noticeably in OT as the offense went back to Lin ball with Melo forced to take bail out shots.

Yeah but he looked way past his prime. Did you hear the commentator - "Wow" Even the commentator couldn't believe how much athletic ability Melo lost. It's not so much the numbers crushing of his 8-21, but the fact that he just looked old, and fat.

[InfiniteBaskets]

The Knicks have a tough schedule coming up. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they lose all of their next 6 games, or go 1-5.

Coming up they have:

Mavs
Spurs (on a b2b)
Bucks
76ers
Bulls
Blazers

And it's unfortunate, but whether or not Lin starts, comes off the bench or whether Melo is deactivated, they aren't going to win more than 2 of those games (just realistically speaking).

People can point fingers all they want after a loss (and withhold blame during wins), but at some point you just have to realize that NYK isn't that great of a team. They don't have a collective core that's been playing with each other for a few seasons like the Celtics, Spurs, Bulls, OKC etc... and they don't have more than one all-star (in fact nobody on their team is playing like a true all-star). It's unfortunate but if you don't win, you're not going to get good publicity regardless of how well you play.

[konex]

Why? Cos Lin's ball ends up in the hands of your so call superstars Amare and Melo.

From what I've been seeing, his ball ends up in the other team's hands more often than not

[IamRAMBO24]

"Comparing" is defined as "representing as similar." You may want to work on your vocabulary a long with the other evident deficiencies.

LOL stop acting like you are so f*ckin smart. When someone says Kobe reminds them of Jordan, it doesn't mean they think Kobe plays for the Bulls, won 6 championships, has 2 kids, owns the Bobcats, loves to gamble and beat little kids in a game of pickup.

When I say Jennings "REMINDS" me of Iverson, that doesn't mean he literally is Iverson.

STFU and get back to the main point of the argument. 10-18

[IamRAMBO24]

You're so retarded that you make me wanna kill myself. More retarded than you only the people that try to argue with you.

Melo usage since returning = 21, his career average is 31. :lol
Lin usage still remains one of the highest of the league.

Yes because you are a Knicks fan and you see Knicks games. :facepalm

when
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There's always
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What is more stupid than casual fans supporting Melo? The Knick fans.

Again.

10-18.

Justify that sh*t or go f*ck yourself.

[airchibundo507]

Yeah but he looked way past his prime. Did you hear the commentator - "Wow" Even the commentator couldn't believe how much athletic ability Melo lost. It's not so much the numbers crushing of his 8-21, but the fact that he just looked old, and fat.

Is this a real argument? Public schools have failed the US.

[BlitzForce]

Yeah but he looked way past his prime. Did you hear the commentator - "Wow" Even the commentator couldn't believe how much athletic ability Melo lost. It's not so much the numbers crushing of his 8-21, but the fact that he just looked old, and fat.

Melo apparently eats 4-5 bags of chips on flights... and it shows :lol

[bsyde82]

Lol entertaining thread fellas.

The silence of the Linsanity bandwagon yesterday and today (on social media, like FB) was deafening, and beautiful. For the record, I don't personally hate Lin at all (and I'm Asian). Where others see Lin and see a great story and all that on top of his limited basketball success, I see a (currently) backup-level/fringe starter PG who fits well in D'antoni's system, with obvious flaws that are more apparent now as Real Men Wear Green has extensively documented.

Real Men Wear Green, props for intelligent, even-keeled posts. I wonder if those kids swearing every other line in an attempt to emphasize their point(?) know how incredibly juvenile and idiotic they look?

And the guy who lamented about public education in the U.S....I wholeheartedly concur. It's sad, and it's only getting worse.

[IamRAMBO24]

Lol entertaining thread fellas.

The silence of the Linsanity bandwagon yesterday and today (on social media, like FB) was deafening, and beautiful. For the record, I don't personally hate Lin at all (and I'm Asian). Where others see Lin and see a great story and all that on top of his limited basketball success, I see a (currently) backup-level/fringe starter PG who fits well in D'antoni's system, with obvious flaws that are more apparent now as Real Men Wear Green has extensively documented.

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Fringe starter? Putting up 25.6 pts, 9 assists, 50% shooting is a fringe player? What constitutes as a starter then?

The fact is Lin is now playing with less confidence; if you are going to be oblivious to his great numbers WITHOUT Melo, then you are not being honest with the argument.

P.S. Pretending you are asian does not make your argument against Lin more legit. What a loser. :oldlol:

[IamRAMBO24]

Slight correction, but your "without Melo" stats is not completely accurate.

Lin played in 7 games without Carmelo Anthony:

25.0 points
9.5 assists
5.0 rebounds
2.3 steals
6.5 turnovers
0.507 FG%

Still, impressive numbers.

I calculated the stats on my own; must've missed a game.

[Miserio]

Funny thing is Lin's defense is the worse of any point guard i've seen in the last 10 years while not being under control with the huge turnover numbers. Boston & Miami games were absolutely pathetic.
http://www.interbasket.net/news/wp-content/uploads/Jimmer-Fredette-Sacramento-Kings.jpg

[Pra]

http://www.interbasket.net/news/wp-content/uploads/Jimmer-Fredette-Sacramento-Kings.jpg


:cheers:

http://www.guxed.net/wp-content/uploads/Derek-Fisher2.jpg

:cheers: :cheers:

[IamRAMBO24]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_PaZEKEG2ge0/TWPNxD8dabI/AAAAAAAAAkg/GVnu1kKPj3Q/Carmelo%20Anthony%20shirtless.jpg

Does this look like a professional world class athlete to you? Sinbad is more in shape than this greasy, bloated f*ck.

[I][B]"Many people fail at dieting because they use plans that are too restrictive. Ultimately, they feel like their diets control their lives, so they quit. To prevent Melo from falling into this trap, Hess allows Melo to eat whatever he wants, one meal a week.

[hito da god]

Lin doesnt fight over screens, he overhelps, and doesnt box out his man. That's all teachable. But his man on man isnt nearly that bad. Rondo couldnt get by Lin on isolations. It was pathetic. He was airballing contested layups. Once they started screening more for Rondo, Lin was lost and Rondo had free reign. Lin and the entire Knicks team needs to work on pnr defense as it destroys them. Calderon killed em the exact same way until the Shumpert/Jeffries combo came in.
most spot on post in this thread.

this man actually watches the games, what a concept :bowdown:

[ballashotcalla]

Melo apparently eats 4-5 bags of chips on flights... and it shows :lol

doritos cool ranch :lol

[get these NETS]

shouldn't come down to one play


BUT.....when rondo ran down on the solo fast break

NOT one knick other than carmelo ran down to contest....not even the guards

ray allen ran down and got a layup


2 points that are just due to lazy ass knicks

[ballashotcalla]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_PaZEKEG2ge0/TWPNxD8dabI/AAAAAAAAAkg/GVnu1kKPj3Q/Carmelo%20Anthony%20shirtless.jpg



This is melo in shape.

This season, he's WAY more pudgy.

[knickswin]

the amount of melo hate doesn't make sense to me. it's really crazy how the knicks losing gets blamed on him all the time. knicks did well with him in the game. got a big lead in the second quarter with him playing mostly with the second unit (until Baron and Lin started trying to throw rucker park alley oops every single possession) . . . he was on the floor when they got back into the game in the fourth quarter. he forced the issue a few times during the fourth, but they all went in except for one.

knicks do very well on offensive possessions where Carmelo posts up. this is a statistical fact.

blame for knicks' struggles at times I think has more to do with the line-ups. sometimes the spacing is just terrible. no reason to play melo, landry, and amar'e, and tyson at the same time. the starting line-up is stupid. either replace landry with J.R. or replace landry and stoudemire with shumpert and novak. have stretches with amar'e at center and novak, fields, and davis with no melo or tyson. the coaching staff needs to work out ways to utilize their talent best.

[IamRAMBO24]

the amount of melo hate doesn't make sense to me. it's really crazy how the knicks losing gets blamed on him all the time. knicks did well with him in the game. got a big lead in the second quarter with him playing mostly with the second unit (until Baron and Lin started trying to throw rucker park alley oops every single possession) . . . he was on the floor when they got back into the game in the fourth quarter. he forced the issue a few times during the fourth, but they all went in except for one.

knicks do very well on offensive possessions where Carmelo posts up. this is a statistical fact.

blame for knicks' struggles at times I think has more to do with the line-ups. sometimes the spacing is just terrible. no reason to play melo, landry, and amar'e, and tyson at the same time. the starting line-up is stupid. either replace landry with J.R. or replace landry and stoudemire with shumpert and novak. have stretches with amar'e at center and novak, fields, and davis with no melo or tyson. the coaching staff needs to work out ways to utilize their talent best.

Easy.

He doesn't fit with the system. He doesn't fit with Lin. He has his own style of basketball and he is demanding not only the entire team, but the coach as well to play HIS style.

In the end, everybody suffers except him. He might look impressive on the court to you, but if the team is losing and playing worst, then who cares about stat lines?

Plus he is a liability on defense: he can score 30 but end up giving up 30 at the other end. His productivity is very low because of this.

[PP34Deuce]

Melo is hurt...I can tell when a player is declined and when they are hurt... I don't think he's in bad shape but I bet if he had a week more off, he'd have more spring and less tear.

Melo can't win though, if Dantoni reduced his minutes to 20-25 mins while Lin played and had knicks winning, Fans would call for trade melo. If he plays 35 minutes at 60-65 percent, they lose a game, and they blame him.

He's the new scapegoat since people see Amare is declining.

[IamRAMBO24]

Melo is hurt...I can tell when a player is declined and when they are hurt... I don't think he's in bad shape but I bet if he had a week more off, he'd have more spring and less tear.

Melo can't win though, if Dantoni reduced his minutes to 20-25 mins while Lin played and had knicks winning, Fans would call for trade melo. If he plays 35 minutes at 60-65 percent, they lose a game, and they blame him.

He's the new scapegoat since people see Amare is declining.

And the Nuggets are playing just as good, if not better, without him in the lineup.

[Haymaker]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qgkyvu

[Clutch]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qgkyvu
No thanks. Trade just Amare.

Teams without a legit scorer,someone who can score when defense is tight,aren't going anywhere.
Good enough for a solid regular season record but with no chance of winning the title.

Aldridge is good but I don't think he can be a 1st option on a championship team.

[knickswin]

Easy.

He doesn't fit with the system. He doesn't fit with Lin. He has his own style of basketball and he is demanding not only the entire team, but the coach as well to play HIS style.

In the end, everybody suffers except him. He might look impressive on the court to you, but if the team is losing and playing worst, then who cares about stat lines?

Plus he is a liability on defense: he can score 30 but end up giving up 30 at the other end. His productivity is very low because of this.

I don't agree about the defense. amar'e is a pitiful defender (except at guarding post-ups where he gets like a C+). melo is okay. he certainly isn't a chair. pierce didn't score on Melo. he scored partially because he's paul pierce and partially because he kept getting guards switched onto him (not melo's fault . . . that's the team's defensive MO . . . which I hate)

He's not demanding they play his style. Lin runs the offense. nearly every possession starts with a screen and roll. Melo's been getting most of his offense off of spot-ups, cuts, and drives from the three point line. he gets to post up a few possessions a game, and these possessions have statistically been effective. he gets to run the pick and roll even fewer times a game. these are good possessions as well.

fundamentally, mike d'antoni's system and carmelo are not an ideal fit, and I can agree with that. melo's been a trooper and has been adapting. he really should be playing with a coach who will emphasize his post-up game and play more half court, but that's not going to happen this season.

no need to hate on melo. he's been a good sport with Lin. knicks have been losing with amar'e and carmelo back for a lot of reasons . . . harder schedule and teams figuring out lin are big reasons. other reason I would say is that a lot of the starters (landry, tyson, amar'e , melo) don't mesh well with certain combinations. amar'e becomes marginalized unless he plays center because at power forward he's not going to be the big man in the pick and roll and he's not going to bring enough as a scorer to make up for his defensive liabilities. landry and melo don't mesh particularly well. landry needs the court to be more open. the knicks need to work on capitalizing on their depth and putting out only effective line-ups.

[IamRAMBO24]

I don't agree about the defense. amar'e is a pitiful defender (except at guarding post-ups where he gets like a C+). melo is okay. he certainly isn't a chair. pierce didn't score on Melo. he scored partially because he's paul pierce and partially because he kept getting guards switched onto him (not melo's fault . . . that's the team's defensive MO . . . which I hate)

He's not demanding they play his style. Lin runs the offense. nearly every possession starts with a screen and roll. Melo's been getting most of his offense off of spot-ups, cuts, and drives from the three point line. he gets to post up a few possessions a game, and these possessions have statistically been effective. he gets to run the pick and roll even fewer times a game. these are good possessions as well.

fundamentally, mike d'antoni's system and carmelo are not an ideal fit, and I can agree with that. melo's been a trooper and has been adapting. he really should be playing with a coach who will emphasize his post-up game and play more half court, but that's not going to happen this season.

no need to hate on melo. he's been a good sport with Lin. knicks have been losing with amar'e and carmelo back for a lot of reasons . . . harder schedule and teams figuring out lin are big reasons. other reason I would say is that a lot of the starters (landry, tyson, amar'e , melo) don't mesh well with certain combinations. amar'e becomes marginalized unless he plays center because at power forward he's not going to be the big man in the pick and roll and he's not going to bring enough as a scorer to make up for his defensive liabilities. landry and melo don't mesh particularly well. landry needs the court to be more open. the knicks need to work on capitalizing on their depth and putting out only effective line-ups.

Good argument. I usually refrain from cussing when someone can present a good line of reasoning and not sound like a complete dumba*s.

I think you are giving way too much credit to Melo's "team" play. Melo doesn't play team ball. If they are trapping Lin on the perimeter, he needs to read the defense and take it hard inside more. He doesn't do this and fights for his position to go iso even when there is 4 guys playing the perimeter, he stands in the corner and pushes his flubby ass for position to chuck a fade away mid range shot.

Team ball is when you play off the defense's weakness; you don't stand at the perimeter so the defense can rotate back to you. Melo doesn't play very good team ball; he doesn't roll to the basket as hard as Chandler and Jeffries did when they were winning. Because of this Lin does not have the luxury to slash inside because the other team would box him in and he has no big man in the middle for an easy dunk.

Melo is not only hurting Lin, but he also pretty much took Chandler's offensive game away, which was a huge factor in that big streak.

While Melo can put up good numbers, his offense is replaceable with Chandler's, and when Chandler gets it rolling, Lin will have enough space to finish inside, and then throw in the perimeter shooting of the other guys when they box in, you have a team at full force.

When Melo is on fire; that is a 1 man team. So he might look impressive, but that doesn't matter if the team is losing.

[stevieming]

Lin can't run his game with Melo controlling the team.

Melo's gonna have to step back and let him do his thing or the Knicks need to trade him.

Melo's strategy just aint working.

That is why Lin has lost his confidence. He is picky with his shots, too concern with getting Melo involve, and changed his role to hold Melo's balls.

If you watch all the games without Melo, his ballhandling was NOT THAT bad. The guy has lost it. He has caved in and made himself Melo's little b*tch even going as far as saying, "I don't understand why people say he's not a team player."

Has he been living under a cave and NOT been watching any Knicks game this year? Melo makes Kobe look like John Stockton. I've lost faith in Lin; he's a f*ckin idiot for being such a lil b*tch.

Man, you're bashing Lin already? Whilst I agree with you on:

"He is picky with his shots, too concern with getting Melo involve, and changed his role to hold Melo's balls."

Don't you think if Jlin & Melo can work, albeit with a few games lost now in the regular season, it's a better match then Jlin and jeffries in the playoffs.

I like jefferies, but he ain't going to do jack for the knicks in the playoffs.

[stevieming]

Melo is hurt...I can tell when a player is declined and when they are hurt... I don't think he's in bad shape but I bet if he had a week more off, he'd have more spring and less tear.

Melo can't win though, if Dantoni reduced his minutes to 20-25 mins while Lin played and had knicks winning, Fans would call for trade melo. If he plays 35 minutes at 60-65 percent, they lose a game, and they blame him.

He's the new scapegoat since people see Amare is declining.

I agree with you. I think Melo is hurt as well. After all the knee op was only in the summer and then they didn't have a proper training camp. I think Melo will come back strong next year. He'll be focused, as now the knicks have a really strong team and a decent PG.

[Rowe]

Rambo...

You are arguing over a PG who had an impressive run for 10 games vs a 9 year Veteran/4X All-NBA performer.

Every post you make about this Knicks team is speaking as if Jeremy Lin is the proven commodity with documented success while Melo is the "new guy" overstepping his role. Melo's role as our go-to option isn't in question, his status in New York isn't in question, and this record you keep bring up is not indicative of 1 individual. Its indicative of an underacheiving team.

Fact of the matter is that this Knicks team has 2 major issues that Knicks fans have noticed since the beginning of the season.

- We have an overmatched Head Coach who can not motivate this group of players. D'Antoni can be a good coach somewhere else, but it will have to be with an organization who allows him to assemble the pieces. Jeremy Lin's story saved an impending termination because he had lost the locker room.

- We have assembled far too many 1 dimensional players to be successful longterm. Tyson Chandler is the only player in our rotation who contributes on both ends of the floor effectively. Thats a stretch considering he has a limited offensive game, but his offensive rebounding and finishing around the basket is a +. Our 1st and 2 units mirror the weaknesses of the other.

[IamRAMBO24]

Man, you're bashing Lin already? Whilst I agree with you on:

"He is picky with his shots, too concern with getting Melo involve, and changed his role to hold Melo's balls."

Don't you think if Jlin & Melo can work, albeit with a few games lost now in the regular season, it's a better match then Jlin and jeffries in the playoffs.

I like jefferies, but he ain't going to do jack for the knicks in the playoffs.

No.

Chandler was putting up great numbers playing off of Lin and by him doing that, it also opened Lin's game up tremendously; when those two get it going, Novak has a lot more freedom at the perimeter and the rest of the scrubs can actually be of some use with all that space.

Chandler was putting up 20; Lin put up 20; the rest of the scrubs were putting up 5+ compare to their average, so we're looking at a 30+ differential in offensive numbers with Melo in the lineup.

Sure he can put up good numbers, but Lin and Chandler alone can do the same with a 55-60 shooting percentage.

[Rowe]

Man, you're bashing Lin already? Whilst I agree with you on:

"He is picky with his shots, too concern with getting Melo involve, and changed his role to hold Melo's balls."

Don't you think if Jlin & Melo can work, albeit with a few games lost now in the regular season, it's a better match then Jlin and jeffries in the playoffs.

I like jefferies, but he ain't going to do jack for the knicks in the playoffs.

With the way Jeremy Lin plays, I'd rather him be our 6th Man.

In fact I'd barely play any unit with Lin/Melo/Amare on the floor together until the Final 5 minutes of each game. Not only are you wasting an uptempo energy player with 2 halfcourt players, but Amare has 0 intention on setting picks and rolling to the basket. When Lin drives to the basket there isn't anyone being left open on the perimter because both Melo and Amare lurk the high post and Fields can't shoot the 3.

Our best unit was Lin/Shumpert/Novak/Jeffries/Chandler during that stretch of games. The threat of a kick out to Novak who's been on fire from 3 or a dish to Chandler for a dunk coming off of the pick & roll really helped us against teams without Melo and Amare.

[spiegel]

LIN ONLY FANS are annoying

[IamRAMBO24]

With the way Jeremy Lin plays, I'd rather him be our 6th Man.

In fact I'd barely play any unit with Lin/Melo/Amare on the floor together until the Final 5 minutes of each game. Not only are you wasting an uptempo energy player with 2 halfcourt players, but Amare has 0 intention on setting picks and rolling to the basket. When Lin drives to the basket there isn't anyone being left open on the perimter because both Melo and Amare lurk the high post and Fields can't shoot the 3.

Our best unit was Lin/Shumpert/Novak/Jeffries/Chandler during that stretch of games. The threat of a kick out to Novak who's been on fire from 3 or a dish to Chandler for a dunk coming off of the pick & roll really helped us against teams without Melo and Amare.

Are you kidding me? Melo should be the 6th man. If he wants to be captain save the big apple, then he should pick up scrub minutes and play his own game.

Lin should be the starter since he gets everyone involve.

Melo: 8-15 (before Lin)

Lin: 9-2 (before Melo)

C'mon Knicks fans, I can understand some casual observers missing the boat on this one, but you're supposed to be the hardcore of the hardcorest.

Why the f*ck are you still supporting Melo? The guy is a loser. Period. He can't win.

[FKAri]

IamRAMBO24 is a known troll why are people still responding to this guy's threads?

[IamRAMBO24]

IamRAMBO24 is a known troll why are people still responding to this guy's threads?

Because I have some pretty damn good points. Stop being such a loser and challenge my points.

I can be civil with intelligent responses (as proven above).

[Scoooter]

They just need more time. They'll all hit their stride soon.

[ZenMaster]

Rambo...

You are arguing over a PG who had an impressive run for 10 games vs a 9 year Veteran/4X All-NBA performer.

Every post you make about this Knicks team is speaking as if Jeremy Lin is the proven commodity with documented success while Melo is the "new guy" overstepping his role. Melo's role as our go-to option isn't in question, his status in New York isn't in question, and this record you keep bring up is not indicative of 1 individual. Its indicative of an underacheiving team.

Fact of the matter is that this Knicks team has 2 major issues that Knicks fans have noticed since the beginning of the season.

- We have an overmatched Head Coach who can not motivate this group of players. D'Antoni can be a good coach somewhere else, but it will have to be with an organization who allows him to assemble the pieces. Jeremy Lin's story saved an impending termination because he had lost the locker room.

- We have assembled far too many 1 dimensional players to be successful longterm. Tyson Chandler is the only player in our rotation who contributes on both ends of the floor effectively. Thats a stretch considering he has a limited offensive game, but his offensive rebounding and finishing around the basket is a +. Our 1st and 2 units mirror the weaknesses of the other.

It's "funny" that people who watch the same games can have such different views.

IMO you are missing a lot of things, I'm not going to break down your post as you seem set in your beliefs on this. I did chuckle though at your "D'Antoni can't motivate this group" line, Knicks where playing with fire during their run without Melo and partially Amare, they played some of the best defense in the league without their "2 best players".

I'm just going to say one thing and that is it's not common sense to change your offense when it fits your center, your 4, your guards and your entire bench. Melo is the one who needs to adapt and play the team system, everybody says he's so versatile but really if he can't do it i'd say he's pretty one-dimensional.
Now, it looks like he's sort of trying too change, but too often he still doesn't make a quick decision, he needs to be a shoot or drive off of the closeout player.
He also needs to get his shot back and get to 35%+ on 3's.

But most important what's killing this team is the defense of Amare and Melo, if they're not being dominant on offense these two become negative team players. Their D is painful to watch.

[IamRAMBO24]

It's "funny" that people who watch the same games can have such different views.

IMO you are missing a lot of things, I'm not going to break down your post as you seem set in your beliefs on this. I did chuckle though at your "D'Antoni can't motivate this group" line, Knicks where playing with fire during their run without Melo and partially Amare, they played some of the best defense in the league without their "2 best players".

I'm just going to say one thing and that is it's not common sense to change your offense when it fits your center, your 4, your guards and your entire bench. Melo is the one who needs to adapt and play the team system, everybody says he's so versatile but really if he can't do it i'd say he's pretty one-dimensional.
Now, it looks like he's sort of trying too change, but too often he still doesn't make a quick decision, he needs to be a shoot or drive off of the closeout player.
He also needs to get his shot back and get to 35%+ on 3's.

But most important what's killing this team is the defense of Amare and Melo, if they're not being dominant on offense these two become negative team players. Their D is painful to watch.

Good point.

The system is pretty f*ckin important. When you have a strong center who can strong arm himself rolling under the basket for an easy dunk, you also create space for the guard you are screening to decide whether he wants to shoot the mid range or drive inside without the fear of the defense closing in on him.

And when the big man and guard are getting that much attention at the center of the perimeter to the inside, this opens up the other guys at the perimeter to drive inside hard (Laudry) or shoot lights out (Novak) when the ball is kicked out.

That was a winning formula.

The melo "formula" is a losing one.

[Blue&Orange]

Easy.
He doesn't fit with the system. He doesn't fit with Lin. He has his own style of basketball and he is demanding not only the entire team, but the coach as well to play HIS style.

Plus he is a liability on defense: he can score 30 but end up giving up 30 at the other end. His productivity is very low because of this.
As i said before, Melo usage with Lin is 21, his career average 31. I think you're confused with D'Antoni forcing him to hold the ball with the point forward crap in the beginning of the season.

Melo is the Knicks players with best Net production +8.2, I'll explain that to you, that means that it

[Blue&Orange]

It's "funny" that people who watch the same games can have such different views.

IMO you are missing a lot of things, I'm not going to break down your post as you seem set in your beliefs on this. I did chuckle though at your "D'Antoni can't motivate this group" line, Knicks where playing with fire during their run without Melo and partially Amare, they played some of the best defense in the league without their "2 best players".

Zenmaster licking D'Antoni balls again.

They were fired up because of Linsanity, not because of D'Antoni, you Know the guy that Melo begged to play Lin, and the guy that wanted to trade Lin to Toronto for Anthony Carter.

And they played mostly offensively challenged team, bottom of the league offensive rating, so that kinda of helped lthe Knicks ook good on the defensive end.

D'Antoni is a disaster of a coach, probably the worst on the league right now, being caught by surprise with Knicks improvement next year without him, will be like being impressed with how well the Pacers are doing without Jim O'Brien.


LIN ONLY FANS are annoying
Believe me, Melo fans and Amare fans are annoying as well, i said before there are not many Knicks fans in here, there are a lot of Amare fans, Melo fans, Lin fans, Gallinari Fans, D'Antoni fans. It's sick.

[stevieming]

Zenmaster licking D'Antoni balls again.

They were fired up because of Linsanity, not because of D'Antoni, you Know the guy that Melo begged to play Lin, and the guy that wanted to trade Lin to Toronto for Anthony Carter.

And they played mostly offensively challenged team, bottom of the league offensive rating, so that kinda of helped lthe Knicks ook good on the defensive end.

D'Antoni is a disaster of a coach, probably the worst on the league right now, being caught by surprise with Knicks improvement next year without him, will be like being impressed with how well the Pacers are doing without Jim O'Brien.


Believe me, Melo fans and Amare fans are annoying as well, i said before there are not many Knicks fans in here, there are a lot of Amare fans, Melo fans, Lin fans, Gallinari Fans, D'Antoni fans. It's sick.

yeah, I am not a big fan of mda either...he sucks....

someone like rick c would sort the knicks out big time.

[ZenMaster]

Zenmaster licking D'Antoni balls again.

They were fired up because of Linsanity, not because of D'Antoni, you Know the guy that Melo begged to play Lin, and the guy that wanted to trade Lin to Toronto for Anthony Carter.

And they played mostly offensively challenged team, bottom of the league offensive rating, so that kinda of helped lthe Knicks ook good on the defensive end.

D'Antoni is a disaster of a coach, probably the worst on the league right now, being caught by surprise with Knicks improvement next year without him, will be like being impressed with how well the Pacers are doing without Jim O'Brien.


Believe me, Melo fans and Amare fans are annoying as well, i said before there are not many Knicks fans in here, there are a lot of Amare fans, Melo fans, Lin fans, Gallinari Fans, D'Antoni fans. It's sick.

Just listen to yourself man, you're caught up in player bias, have no idea what you're talking about, and most of all sound very young and immature.

[airchibundo507]

Just listen to yourself man, you're caught up in player bias, have no idea what you're talking about, and most of all sound very young and immature.

so you don't think D'Antoni lost the game? did you even watch it?

D'Antoni and his point guard gimmick pnr offense, which of course works wonders with Steve Nash at the helm and an infinite supply of shooters to space the floor. Problem is this dufus of a coach can't alter it in the slighest when he has Duhon, Felton, Billups, Carter, Douglas or Lin instead, and the paint is clogged by Chandler and Amare.

He was totally outcoached Sunday and you are out of your mind if you think otherwise.

[swi7ch]

Trade Melo pls!

[ZenMaster]

so you don't think D'Antoni lost the game? did you even watch it?

D'Antoni and his point guard gimmick pnr offense, which of course works wonders with Steve Nash at the helm and an infinite supply of shooters to space the floor. Problem is this dufus of a coach can't alter it in the slighest when he has Duhon, Felton, Billups, Carter, Douglas or Lin instead, and the paint is clogged by Chandler and Amare.

He was totally outcoached Sunday and you are out of your mind if you think otherwise.

Not going to spend anymore time trying to talk reason to you, you have made it very clear you are a melo first fan, anything negative towards him you are against and it's everybody elses fault.
I can see why you're getting more and more upset though, the only constant to Knicks losing is when your boy is playing, it must suck to be in that situation.

[Bigsmoke]

you dont think Lin was going to win a championship with the roster they had before Melo got back.

[airchibundo507]

Not going to spend anymore time trying to talk reason to you, you have made it very clear you are a melo first fan, anything negative towards him you are against and it's everybody elses fault.
I can see why you're getting more and more upset though, the only constant to Knicks losing is when your boy is playing, it must suck to be in that situation.

Yep, suggest that Melo lost the game. Fcking brilliant. Melo is the reason we are losing. Get rid of him and Lin carries the Knicks to a title.

[Whoah10115]

It's "funny" that people who watch the same games can have such different views.

IMO you are missing a lot of things, I'm not going to break down your post as you seem set in your beliefs on this. I did chuckle though at your "D'Antoni can't motivate this group" line, Knicks where playing with fire during their run without Melo and partially Amare, they played some of the best defense in the league without their "2 best players".

I'm just going to say one thing and that is it's not common sense to change your offense when it fits your center, your 4, your guards and your entire bench. Melo is the one who needs to adapt and play the team system, everybody says he's so versatile but really if he can't do it i'd say he's pretty one-dimensional.
Now, it looks like he's sort of trying too change, but too often he still doesn't make a quick decision, he needs to be a shoot or drive off of the closeout player.
He also needs to get his shot back and get to 35%+ on 3's.

But most important what's killing this team is the defense of Amare and Melo, if they're not being dominant on offense these two become negative team players. Their D is painful to watch.




This is a good post and my only problem with the other Knick fans is not that they think D'Antoni is a/the problem (and I do think he is a big one right now) but that they're so set in their beliefs of what it is and what it isn't.



Carmelo Anthony's status is definitely in question, because he's spent only 1 of his 9 years as a Knick. And that one year stretch has been a tough one. There were questions of him fitting into the offense, and he hasn't.



Why does everyone think that means Melo is doing something wrong or vice versa? It's a matter of it not working right now. And the biggest issue is that it has worked better without Carmelo.



Forget who we played, even tho we beat the Lakers, the Mavericks, and Minnesota on the road. Look at how we played. Carmelo plays on the Knicks, so we're only gonna get better if we make the most out of him. It's a huge waste otherwise.



But that doesn't mean we have to adjust to him. Melo hasn't done anything more as a Knick than Lin has. Everyone should have to work together, not the Knicks working for Carmelo and bashing on how we hate Amare Stoudemire. That's so stupid.

[ZenMaster]

Yep, suggest that Melo lost the game. Fcking brilliant. Melo is the reason we are losing. Get rid of him and Lin carries the Knicks to a title.

I'm not talking about the Dallas game, I'm talking about maximizing the potential of 9 players instead of 1.

[airchibundo507]

I'm not talking about the Dallas game, I'm talking about maximizing the potential of 9 players instead of 1.

Well it's hard to maximize any potential on offense whatsoever when a team's PGs are averaging more turnovers than assists against good teams on the road. "Linsanity" eluded games like that.

[niko]

you dont think Lin was going to win a championship with the roster they had before Melo got back.
There are people who really thought they were.

[airchibundo507]

Forget who we played, even tho we beat the Lakers, the Mavericks, and Minnesota on the road. Look at how we played. Carmelo plays on the Knicks, so we're only gonna get better if we make the most out of him. It's a huge waste otherwise.

Look at how they played. With Lin dominating the ball more than any other player in the league and turning the ball over with impunity. He beat a lot of bad teams and a couple of good teams at home. He never faced a defense on the level of Miami/Boston, that can simply force turnovers man-to-man defense as Lin tries to bring the ball up the floor.

What, do you think Lin Ball is going to win a championship? If so, LOL. Wait until teams start figuring him out. Dallas gets a second chance at him tonight, so we'll see if they alter their gameplan to do more of what Miami/Boston did to him on defense.

[Whoah10115]

Aldridge is good but I don't think he can be a 1st option on a championship team.




:roll:



Look at how they played. With Lin dominating the ball more than any other player in the league and turning the ball over with impunity. He beat a lot of bad teams and a couple of good teams at home. He never faced a defense on the level of Miami/Boston, that can simply force turnovers man-to-man defense as Lin tries to bring the ball up the floor.

What, do you think Lin Ball is going to win a championship? If so, LOL. Wait until teams start figuring him out. Dallas gets a second chance at him tonight, so we'll see if they alter their gameplan to do more of what Miami/Boston did to him on defense.



Yo, when did I say it would? Your response is exactly what I'm talking about. You're making it either all or nothing, when that has nothing to do with it.

[airchibundo507]

Melo is hurting JLin? hurting team offense? Funny.

First half Melo put on a clinic of moving without the ball and creating easy scoring opportunities within the offense. I lost count of how many backdoor cuts he had on Pierce where Lin fed him the ball for easy baskets.

Third quarter Melo didn't even put up a shot (which might have been why our offensive production dropped so substantially). Then he picked up his fourth foul with 6:30 left in the quarter with the Knicks down by 4 and the rest of the Knicks managed to rack up a 17 point deficit.

Fourth quarter Melo took over and brought the Knicks back in the game. Criticize his fcking iso all you want but he is the closer. You don't see anybody complaining when Pierce isoed the entire quarter, but Melo takes one shot outside of the offense and it's like murder with the NBA community.

[ZenMaster]

Well it's hard to maximize any potential on offense whatsoever when a team's PGs are averaging more turnovers than assists against good teams on the road. "Linsanity" eluded games like that.

It's my belief here there are two approaches to that, the fan approach and the coach approach.

Fan approach: change it, do something else even if that something else is mediocre. In this case change it would be to go back to Melo ball.

Coach approach: Stick with it, practice it, figure out what to do against the hard show double teams, players get better going through the situations and will figure it out if we work on it. When we figure it out we will be good/great again. It's a positive that other teams are preparing specifically for us, then we just need to figure our own stuff out in relation to that.

I really do believe great teams are the ones that stick with what they do and get over the humps that are re-adjusting within their system to other teams adjustments.

[Whoah10115]

Melo is hurting JLin? hurting team offense? Funny.

First half Melo put on a clinic of moving without the ball and creating easy scoring opportunities within the offense. I lost count of how many backdoor cuts he had on Pierce where Lin fed him the ball for easy baskets.

Third quarter Melo didn't even put up a shot (which might have been why our offensive production dropped so substantially). Then he picked up his fourth foul with 6:30 left in the quarter with the Knicks down by 4 and the rest of the Knicks managed to rack up a 17 point deficit.

Fourth quarter Melo took over and brought the Knicks back in the game. Criticize his fcking iso all you want but he is the closer. You don't see anybody complaining when Pierce isoed the entire quarter, but Melo takes one shot outside of the offense and it's like murder with the NBA community.



I know for a fact I said nothing about the way Melo played or that he is hurting Lin, as Lin has continued playing well since Melo has come back.



Carmelo is the one who isn't playing well. It's not even about the team adjusting to him or him fitting in. He's not playing well. Hid adjustment has to be to play well with the team, not try to fit in so much that he does fit in, but doesn't play well. He's just not playing well and D'Antoni has to do better. And so does Melo. And Lin needs fewer turnovers.

[knickswin]

Melo is hurting JLin? hurting team offense? Funny.

First half Melo put on a clinic of moving without the ball and creating easy scoring opportunities within the offense. I lost count of how many backdoor cuts he had on Pierce where Lin fed him the ball for easy baskets.

Third quarter Melo didn't even put up a shot (which might have been why our offensive production dropped so substantially). Then he picked up his fourth foul with 6:30 left in the quarter with the Knicks down by 4 and the rest of the Knicks managed to rack up a 17 point deficit.

Fourth quarter Melo took over and brought the Knicks back in the game. Criticize his fcking iso all you want but he is the closer. You don't see anybody complaining when Pierce isoed the entire quarter, but Melo takes one shot outside of the offense and it's like murder with the NBA community.

I really don't know what people are watching (they're probably not watching) when they blame every loss on Carmelo "the cancer." what is he doing to ruin team chemistry or lin. most of the game he parks himself behind the three point line like a good boy and gets most of his points off of cuts and dribble drives from the three point line. he doesn't post up too much, but those possessions are very efficient for the knicks' offense, something like 1.5 ppp. and it's not just because he's been chucking well. he collapses the defense and then opens things up for his teammates. melo was a big reason they went up during the second and got back into the game during the fourth.

i think the biggest thing the knicks need to improve on is only playing effective line-ups. we go on slumps when we put out stupid line-ups. starting line-up is garbage. start landry and stoudemire on the bench, put in novak and shumpert. give amar'e minutes without tyson and landry minutes without carmelo. I liked the "offense" unit they used to get back in the game during the fourth. stoudemire/novak/melo front court. to me the biggest "plus" guys are novak, melo, and jeffries. team always seems to play better with them.

[swi7ch]

Trade Melo please.

[IamRAMBO24]

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]

Melo is the Knicks players with best Net production +8.2, I'll explain that to you, that means that it

[SacJB Shady]

Melo is hurting JLin? hurting team offense? Funny.

First half Melo put on a clinic of moving without the ball and creating easy scoring opportunities within the offense. I lost count of how many backdoor cuts he had on Pierce where Lin fed him the ball for easy baskets.

Third quarter Melo didn't even put up a shot (which might have been why our offensive production dropped so substantially). Then he picked up his fourth foul with 6:30 left in the quarter with the Knicks down by 4 and the rest of the Knicks managed to rack up a 17 point deficit.

Fourth quarter Melo took over and brought the Knicks back in the game. Criticize his fcking iso all you want but he is the closer. You don't see anybody complaining when Pierce isoed the entire quarter, but Melo takes one shot outside of the offense and it's like murder with the NBA community.



Melo gets NY back in the game, but doesn't Lin it for them. Lin was linning it for them. Melo just makes up for the damage he is done but he really disrupts the offense

[SacJB Shady]

Trade Melo please.


Melo for Deng or Rudy Gay

[IamRAMBO24]

Blue&PINK

Stop blaming it on Lin and Antonio.. If a star player cannot win with a fully stacked team, then he is a loser. Period.

Lin and Antonio won it with their 2 stars out, and Amare was a positive in the system when he came back.

The problem is Carmelo.

The system is more important than the player; stop being such a juvenile pipsqueak stat whore and recognize where the true talent lies: Bird, Magic, Jordan would be NOBODIES if they did not have a system that won games and are just a bunch of scrub stat hoarders.

Again, this is sad; you're a Knicks fanboy and I can care less for the team, but the fact I can see this and you can't just makes you a complete dumba*s; seriously go play badminton or something because you have successfully just certified yourself a pussified loser.

The NBA is truly hurting with dipsh*t fanboys like you.

[knickswin]

Melo for Deng or Rudy Gay

ew no. maybe deng if you really want to go all "team play" but hell naw to gay. he's more of a chucker than melo. plus he's a weak ball handler who looks down while he dribbles and therefore cannot create for others, and he's very right dominant.

plus, if you move melo you will still see that there are still problems with Tyson and Stoudemire playing together.

[SacJB Shady]

Knicks need to trade Carmelo Anthony fast. He ruined Linsanity. He just doesn't know how to play any other way other than to go one on one. He is shooting horribly.

[SacJB Shady]

ew no. maybe deng if you really want to go all "team play" but hell naw to gay. he's more of a chucker than melo. plus he's a weak ball handler who looks down while he dribbles and therefore cannot create for others, and he's very right dominant.

plus, if you move melo you will still see that there are still problems with Tyson and Stoudemire playing together.



they were linning with just amare, but not with melo

[knickswin]

they were linning with just amare, but not with melo

today they were "linning" with amar'e and baron davis, not amar'e and lin.

Lin is clearly struggling with traps which has nothing to do with Carmelo. I do think that Lin deserves more foul calls though. It was disgusting today that Jason Kidd did not get a flagrant for that shot to Lin's head.

[Clutch]

Why would anyone want to trade for Melo ?
Obviously he's a ball stopper,low IQ chucker and cancer to every team he plays in.

No point in trading even some scrub for Melo who'll make your team worse.

[IamRAMBO24]

today they were "linning" with amar'e and baron davis, not amar'e and lin.

Lin is clearly struggling with traps which has nothing to do with Carmelo. I do think that Lin deserves more foul calls though. It was disgusting today that Jason Kidd did not get a flagrant for that shot to Lin's head.

You know what happen in the locker room?

Melo said, "Look, this is my team; you''re just another nobody in the D-League. Had I not told coach to stop the trade and keep you, you wouldn't even be sleeping on a couch, but live in a cardboard box and collecting cans for your next meal. I am the marshmellow in your smores, so stop acting like you own this team. I sucked Dolan's d*ck to get to this point, now bend over. *Lin then progresses to bend over and Carmelo shoves a broom up his ruby red, puckering starfruit, virgin anus*

Lin: "Yes MASTER."

The kid has lost it. Take Melo out, Linsanity lives again. FACT.

[SacJB Shady]

Why would anyone want to trade for Melo ?
Obviously he's a ball stopper,low IQ chucker and cancer to every team he plays in.

No point in trading even some scrub for Melo who'll make your team worse.


well the warriors would want him

[IamRAMBO24]

My bad. The stats are now 10-19. Marshmellow is sure racking up those losses.

[SacJB Shady]

My bad. The stats are now 10-19. Marshmellow is sure racking up those losses.


i hate carmelo for the knicks. I hoope they trade him. He disrupts the momentum big time.

[IamRAMBO24]

Man I hope Melo goes down with another injury so these noobs will finally understand what I'm talking about.

System wins games; not stats.

[SacJB Shady]

Man I hope Melo goes down with another injury so these noobs will finally understand what I'm talking about.

System wins games; not stats.


Yes. Plus its about momentum. Carmelo don't make the system better.

[knickswin]

You know what happen in the locker room?

Melo said, "Look, this is my team; you''re just another nobody in the D-League. Had I not told coach to stop the trade and keep you, you wouldn't even be sleeping on a couch, but live in a cardboard box and collecting cans for your next meal. I am the marshmellow in your smores, so stop acting like you own this team. I sucked Dolan's d*ck to get to this point, now bend over. *Lin then progresses to bend over and Carmelo shoves a broom up his ruby red, puckering starfruit, virgin anus*

Lin: "Yes MASTER."

The kid has lost it. Take Melo out, Linsanity lives again. FACT.

how do you know Lin's anus is a virgin?

[Clutch]

how do you know Lin's anus is a virgin?
:roll:

[IamRAMBO24]

how do you know Lin's anus is a virgin?

His yuppie demeanor is from a Harvard education; I'm sorry but Melo looks like the one with the homoerotic tendencies since he's always looking for the opportunity to shove his fatass up other player's junk and not cutting to the rim like he is supposed to.

[knickswin]

Man I hope Melo goes down with another injury so these noobs will finally understand what I'm talking about.

System wins games; not stats.

of course you could put carmelo in a system where he is an important cog, something like what the spurs run where they initiate the offense with pnr and then move on to post play rather than d'antoni system which is all about the point guard running loose with the pick and rolls . . . but you know that and are just trolling . . .

[knickswin]

His yuppie demeanor is from a Harvard education; I'm sorry but Melo looks like the one with the homoerotic tendencies since he's always looking for the opportunity to shove his fatass up other player's junk and not cutting to the rim like he is supposed to.

you are funny :applause: but I'm not going to engage . . . good night

[iDefend5]

Why would anyone want to trade for Melo ?
Obviously he's a ball stopper,low IQ chucker and cancer to every team he plays in.

No point in trading even some scrub for Melo who'll make your team worse.
sarcasm, overreaction, both, or dead serious? :lol

[Clutch]

sarcasm, overreaction, both, or dead serious? :lol
Most people on this board describe Melo like that.

They say both Nuggets and Knicks are better without him.

So I simply ask why would anyone give even a 2nd round pick,cash or some scrub player for Melo who makes every team he plays in worse.

It's a valid question for the haters.

[SacJB Shady]

Most people on this board describe Melo like that.

They say both Nuggets and Knicks are better without him.

So I simply ask why would anyone give even a 2nd round pick,cash or some scrub player for Melo who makes every team he plays in worse.

It's a valid question for the haters.


a team like the warriors would want him. ellis, curry, and melo

[Clutch]

a team like the warriors would want him. ellis, curry, and melo
Why when he'll make them worse ? Obviously he makes every team worse.

[IamRAMBO24]

Most people on this board describe Melo like that.

They say both Nuggets and Knicks are better without him.

So I simply ask why would anyone give even a 2nd round pick,cash or some scrub player for Melo who makes every team he plays in worse.

It's a valid question for the haters.

Really?

You're gonna ask that? The Nuggets thought they lost something of value when Melo left, but lo and behold they started WINNING without him.

Now they are celebrating the trade.

Knicks thought they won in the trade, but the scrubs they traded away turned out to be solid players that made the Nugs better with a huge + future potential.

Knicks are now realizing with him on their team, they are worst off.

Name another "star" in the history of the NBA that made their prior team BETTER and new team worst off?


I challenge you.

[Clutch]

Really?

You're gonna ask that? The Nuggets thought they lost something of value when Melo left, but lo and behold they started WINNING without him.

Now they are celebrating the trade.

Knicks thought they won in the trade, but the scrubs they traded away turned out to be solid players that made the Nugs better with a huge + future potential.

Knicks are now realizing with him on their team, they are worst off.

Name another "star" in the history of the NBA that made their prior team BETTER and new team worst off?


I challenge you.
You didn't answer my question.

[Blue&Orange]

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[Human Error]

Most people on this board describe Melo like that.

They say both Nuggets and Knicks are better without him.

So I simply ask why would anyone give even a 2nd round pick,cash or some scrub player for Melo who makes every team he plays in worse.

It's a valid question for the haters.
It is TRUE that the Knicks and the Nuggets played better without Carmelo. Everyone witnessed.

[kingkong]

I think I like Smello as a nickname more than Marshmellow

[CelticsDraftee]

http://tinyurl.com/76xv6lb

[Bandito]

Hahahahaha :lol

[longtime lurker]

I mean this is really puzzling. We've seen Melo play with different type of pg's from billups, to iverson and andre miller. I don't get why people want to trade Melo, you really think a team with Lin and role players is winning a championship? It's obvious Lin is a keeper, what we saw from him is not a fluke. I just think a better coach would have gotten this team playing a lot better with more cohesion. Maybe Melo needs to move the ball more, but from what I've seen he doesn't shot jack. Really weird in NY