Is Irving Officially a Top 5 PG?

[IGotACoolStory]

1) Rose
2) Rondo
3) Paul
4) Irving
5) Williams

Parker, Nash, Westbrook, Lawson, Rubio on the outside looking in.

ONLY 19 and he's close to being a 50/40/90 player. The more clutch player in the league. Can defend, can breakdown a defense, can finish, can shoot. He's 4 now and potentially 1 by next season.

He's doing all of this on the least talented team of any of the top point guards. FACT.

[TheNaturalWR]

Not even close...

[chips93]

op has seen 5 cavs games this year, max.

[REACTION]

I have Rose, CP3, Westbrook, Williams and Rondo ahead of him this season.

[CardiacKemba]

1) Rose
2) Rondo
3) Paul
4) Irving
5) Williams

Parker, Nash, Westbrook, Lawson, Rubio on the outside looking in.

ONLY 19 and he's close to being a 50/40/90 player. The more clutch player in the league. Can defend, can breakdown a defense, can finish, can shoot. He's 4 now and potentially 1 by next season.

He's doing all of this on the least talented team of any of the top point guards. FACT.

Not yet. He's knocking on the door though.

Paul/Rose/Rondo/Williams/Westbrook/Parker all better.

Could debate Nash and maybe even Lawson.

Big things coming for him though.

[IGotACoolStory]

People are too scared to give a man his due early on. Probably rightfully so, but have some balls.

It took an entire season for people to start giving Blake his due even though his stats were ungodly good. Y'all jump on the bandwaggon soon enough and act like you been saying it all along.

Whatever. He's a been defender than Williams, Parker, Nash, Lawson, and Rubio. He's a better offensive player Rondo. He's a better point guard than Westbrook.

Rondo is exceptionally good at other areas, hence remaining above Irving. The other unamed point guards are ranked above him -- for now.

What do you disagree with?

[JohnnyWall]

He's not better than Westbrook.

[Suckafree]

Strong username to post content ratio

[alwaysunny]

http://nationwideblast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/image2.jpg

"He's at least 3 spots below me"

[jlauber]

He's definitely in the top-15.

[BGriffin's Dad]

1. CP3
2. DWill
3. Rose
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo
6. Nash
7. Parker
8. Irving
9. Rubio
10. Lawson

but being the 8th best PG isn't bad for a rookie

[inclinerator]

hes not even better than lin

[RedBlackAttack]

The league is brimming with great point guards right now. It is really pretty amazing. I think it is a little early to anoint him Top 5 when others have been doing it at a very high level for longer. However, with the way he has been playing in the clutch lately, you could make the argument and it isn't as outlandish as it may have been earlier in the season.

He's also completely outplayed Rondo and Nash this year, while going toe-to-toe in great matchups with Williams and Westbrook. He wasn't overwhelmed in any of those games and actually got the better of the elite PG in a couple of them. In fact, he hasn't been overwhelmed by any point guard all year. Even during off games, he can play right with other good/great PGs.

I wouldn't have a problem with putting him at 7 or 8 at this point, but it certainly isn't a distant 7 or 8. He is maybe just outside of the Top 5 and knocking on the door.

If he continues this level of play throughout the rest of the season and into next year, he will without a doubt be Top 5. It just hasn't been quite enough yet and he is still so young...

There isn't a single point guard I'd take over him right now, though, considering where the Cavs are in our rebuild and what lay ahead.

We really did hit the jackpot.

[FKAri]

hes not even better than Augustin

[The Choken One]

1. CP3
2. DWill
3. Rose
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo
6. Nash
7. Parker
8. Irving
9. Rubio
10. Lawson

but being the 8th best PG isn't bad for a rookie
Agreed 100%.

Kyrie is great. And because his age I'd rather him over basically every other PG besides the top 3, but right not there's still quite a few better than him.

[GOBB]

And no mention of John Wall. Wow, just wow. :facepalm

[PleezeBelieve]

By the end of next season he'll be #1

23/9/4 on 49/42/89

[StateOfMind12]

I love Irving but he is not top 5 yet. You could argue that he is better than Rondo (although he is not top 5 IMO) but he has no argument for top 5.

These are PGs that are clearly better than Irving.

1. Derrick Rose
2. Chris Paul
3. Deron Williams
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Steve Nash
6. Tony Parker.

You could argue 7th though.

[Celtics4ever]

1. Rose
2. Rondo
3. DWill
4. Westbrook
5. Nash
6. Tony Parker
7. Irving
8. CP3
9. Wall

[Riley Martin]

1. Rose
2. Rondo
3. DWill
4. Westbrook
5. Nash
6. Tony Parker
7. Irving
8. CP3
9. Wall

CP3 at #8 :facepalm

[IGotACoolStory]

And no mention of John Wall. Wow, just wow. :facepalm

Wall isn't even top 10. Why would I mention him?

The mark of a truly great point guard is his impact on the team. Irving takes a 19-63 Cavs team, they lose talent, and are already 16-23. Granted, that's not setting the world on fire. However, look at his team and 16-23 is pretty darn good. The second best player on his team, by a large margin, is Jamison. :wtf:

Wall came to the Wizards and they lose more games. Although they did lose talent so I give him a break his rookie season. Now it's 100% his team in his second year and where are they now? 9-30. And if you watch them, they are the dumbest team in the history of the planet. A refelction of your coach and your leader (Wall).

[GOBB]

Wall isn't even top 10. Why would I mention him?.

Right because 17.4ppg 7.8apg 4.9rpg 1.3spg just arent good enough. I mean why would anyone mention him? :rolleyes:

You're clueless.

[PleezeBelieve]

Right because 17.4ppg 7.8apg 4.9rpg 1.3spg just arent good enough. I mean why would anyone mention him? :rolleyes:

You're clueless.
Empty stats

[blacknapalm]

he's very close but i think i agree with ppl who put him in that 7-8ish range. he's the most polished rookie PG since cp3. great jumper at such a young age and a big time scorer late to take over games. if he keeps working on his D, he's going to be a top 10 player overall within a couple seasons. i'd go so far to say that he might be the best overall talent since durant

[IGotACoolStory]

Hello, I played point guard in early parts of this century. Some of my lines include: (points/assists/rebounds)
21.6/6.4/7.0
21/6.2/6.2
21.3/7.0/5.5

Where did I rank in my prime? Say between 00-05

[BGriffin's Dad]

And no mention of John Wall. Wow, just wow. :facepalm

only because I stopped at 10... if I expanded the list..

1. CP3
2. DWill
3. Rose
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo
6. Nash
7. Parker
8. Irving
9. Rubio
10. Lawson
11. Curry
12. Lowry
13. Wall
14. Lin
15. Calderon
16. Miller
17. Jennings
18. Augustin
19. Holiday
20. Conley
21. Mo Williams
22. Collison
23. Harris
24. Kidd
99. Fisher

[Xiao Yao You]

23. Harris

He's third best on his own team! :facepalm

[ballashotcalla]

1. CP3
2. DWill
3. Rose
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo
6. Nash
7. Parker
8. Irving
9. Rubio
10. Lawson

but being the 8th best PG isn't bad for a rookie

:facepalm parker at 7? rubio at 9?

irving at 8?

[Alamo]

hes not even better than lin

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm

[Meticode]

Rose
Paul
Westbrook
Williams
Rondo
Nash
Parker
Wall
Curry
Irving

[Simple Jack]

The league is brimming with great point guards right now. It is really pretty amazing. I think it is a little early to anoint him Top 5 when others have been doing it at a very high level for longer. However, with the way he has been playing in the clutch lately, you could make the argument and it isn't as outlandish as it may have been earlier in the season.

He's also completely outplayed Rondo and Nash this year, while going toe-to-toe in great matchups with Williams and Westbrook. He wasn't overwhelmed in any of those games and actually got the better of the elite PG in a couple of them. In fact, he hasn't been overwhelmed by any point guard all year. Even during off games, he can play right with other good/great PGs.

I wouldn't have a problem with putting him at 7 or 8 at this point, but it certainly isn't a distant 7 or 8. He is maybe just outside of the Top 5 and knocking on the door.

If he continues this level of play throughout the rest of the season and into next year, he will without a doubt be Top 5. It just hasn't been quite enough yet and he is still so young...

There isn't a single point guard I'd take over him right now, though, considering where the Cavs are in our rebuild and what lay ahead.

We really did hit the jackpot.

Amen.

I'm ready to give the kid his dues already. It's scary that he's only a rookie. He's only going to get better.

As crazy as it is, I'm confident he'll be in contention for best PG in the league and a certified superstar in a few years. He's a special talent.

[Simple Jack]

The "empty stats" reasoning is getting very old. John Wall is clearly a top 10 PG in the league.

[RedBlackAttack]

Amen.

I'm ready to give the kid his dues already. It's scary that he's only a rookie. He's only going to get better.

As crazy as it is, I'm confident he'll be in contention for best PG in the league and a certified superstar in a few years. He's a special talent.
Yeah, I was his biggest proponent on here all college season last year and in the lead-up to the draft, but I didn't envision anything on the level that he has been playing. I thought it would take him a couple of years to get him where he is right now in his skillset and ability to take over games.

I'm not sure I've seen a rookie have so few poor games. The consistency, night-after-night, is probably the most shocking aspect of his great season. Tonight was the perfect opportunity for him to have your token inconsistent rookie performance. He was 2-for-11 from the floor with 4 assists and 3 turnovers headed into the fourth quarter. I was ready to chalk it up as his first really bad performance in a while and probably his worst game of the season.

Then, as soon as the pressure kicks up, he scores 16 of the last 20 points and wills us to victory.

I'm not wild about all of these wins that we are getting, because this coming draft is so good and I feel like we are that one elite piece away from contending in the playoffs for a long, long time... But, damn, I was on my feet celebrating with my buddy as he took over once again.

I'm just surprised he hasn't gotten more attention. I don't even think that they had highlights from the game on SportsCenter at all. I don't mean to bring up LeBron, because he is doing his thing down in Miami, but if he had three straight games during his rookie year like Kyrie's had against Denver, OKC and Houston, it would probably be the lead or close to it.

I guess I shouldn't care about stuff like that, but a little recognition is appropriate.

[Pointguard]

The league is brimming with great point guards right now. It is really pretty amazing. I think it is a little early to anoint him Top 5 when others have been doing it at a very high level for longer. However, with the way he has been playing in the clutch lately, you could make the argument and it isn't as outlandish as it may have been earlier in the season.

He's also completely outplayed Rondo and Nash this year, while going toe-to-toe in great matchups with Williams and Westbrook. He wasn't overwhelmed in any of those games and actually got the better of the elite PG in a couple of them. In fact, he hasn't been overwhelmed by any point guard all year. Even during off games, he can play right with other good/great PGs.

I wouldn't have a problem with putting him at 7 or 8 at this point, but it certainly isn't a distant 7 or 8. He is maybe just outside of the Top 5 and knocking on the door.

If he continues this level of play throughout the rest of the season and into next year, he will without a doubt be Top 5. It just hasn't been quite enough yet and he is still so young...

There isn't a single point guard I'd take over him right now, though, considering where the Cavs are in our rebuild and what lay ahead.

We really did hit the jackpot.

I don't get him being this good this fast. He hit the floor running and is among the best in terms of level of play already. He's doing this without really knowing his players. I don't get why they aren't accidently in his way more often. I have felt this way for a minute and kept thinking he's on adrenaline like Lin was. But he isn't. I can't put a point guard in a rookie season top five unless his team is winning as well. You've been calling this for sometime now and I just kept watching. But he's real and I didn't see the game today yet. Wall has been playing just as good as of late too so I won't evaluate again until the end of the year. Right now Rose, Paul, DWill are not touchable. Too many good years to be supplanted.

[Simple Jack]

Yeah, I was his biggest proponent on here all college season last year and in the lead-up to the draft, but I didn't envision anything on the level that he has been playing. I thought it would take him a couple of years to get him where he is right now in his skillset and ability to take over games.

I'm not sure I've seen a rookie have so few poor games. The consistency, night-after-night, is probably the most shocking aspect of his great season. Tonight was the perfect opportunity for him to have your token inconsistent rookie performance. He was 2-for-11 from the floor with 4 assists and 3 turnovers headed into the fourth quarter. I was ready to chalk it up as his first really bad performance in a while and probably his worst game of the season.

Then, as soon as the pressure kicks up, he scores 16 of the last 20 points and wills us to victory.

I'm not wild about all of these wins that we are getting, because this coming draft is so good and I feel like we are that one elite piece away from contending in the playoffs for a long, long time... But, damn, I was on my feet celebrating with my buddy as he took over once again.

I'm just surprised he hasn't gotten more attention. I don't even think that they had highlights from the game on SportsCenter at all. I don't mean to bring up LeBron, because he is doing his thing down in Miami, but if he had three straight games during his rookie year like Kyrie's had against Denver, OKC and Houston, it would probably be the lead or close to it.

I guess I shouldn't care about stuff like that, but a little recognition is appropriate.


Maybe it's better that way.

But the kid definitely deserves more recognition. It's been a while since I've seen someone so young have such a good grasp on the game. Like you said, it's his consistency that makes this so impressive. You would expect a talented rookie, especially the #1 overall pick to have his share of good games but the rate at which he's doing so, is almost alarming. It's almost as if I have to remind myself that he's a rookie when watching him...there's really not much of anything "rookie" about him.

It's good to see Cleveland get a player like this after LeBron left. I'm assuming people in Cleveland (I don't live there) eventually saw themselves working their way up and assembling a competent roster, but I don't think anyone could have possibly saw something like this coming so soon. Enjoy the ride man.

[RedBlackAttack]

Maybe it's better that way.

But the kid definitely deserves more recognition. It's been a while since I've seen someone so young have such a good grasp on the game. Like you said, it's his consistency that makes this so impressive. You would expect a talented rookie, especially the #1 overall pick to have his share of good games but the rate at which he's doing so, is almost alarming. It's almost as if I have to remind myself that he's a rookie when watching him...there's really not much of anything "rookie" about him.

It's good to see Cleveland get a player like this after LeBron left. I'm assuming people in Cleveland (I don't live there) eventually saw themselves working their way up and assembling a competent roster, but I don't think anyone could have possibly saw something like this coming so soon. Enjoy the ride man.

:cheers:

Yeah, man... I basically spent the NBA season last year watching one of the most pitiful teams ever and directing a sh!tload of anger toward a former player and his team.

It is much more fun to spend a season watching a great young prospect and a team with a lot of upside as opposed to basically spending my free time hoping for a team/player to fail.

There is no doubt that 2011 was a dark season in Cleveland... 2012 has been much more kind.


I don't get him being this good this fast. He hit the floor running and is among the best in terms of level of play already. He's doing this without really knowing his players. I don't get why they aren't accidently in his way more often. I have felt this way for a minute and kept thinking he's on adrenaline like Lin was. But he isn't. I can't put a point guard in a rookie season top five unless his team is winning as well. You've been calling this for sometime now and I just kept watching. But he's real and I didn't see the game today yet. Wall has been playing just as good as of late too so I won't evaluate again until the end of the year. Right now Rose, Paul, DWill are not touchable. Too many good years to be supplanted.

Quite honestly, I expected him to eventually come down to earth. In January, he averaged 18.9 points on an astonishing 54% from the field. I thought to myself, "Ok, that can't last."

And, the shooting percentage didn't... But, he supplanted the minor drop in FG% by becoming a much more well-rounded point guard, a much better defender and basically unstoppable in the clutch.

Even in January, I knew he was really good... I didn't know he was this good. He gets better and better. Thinking about what he will do with a whole offseason to work on his game with Byron and Co.... It is scary.

[Simple Jack]

:cheers:

Yeah, man... I basically spent the NBA season last year watching one of the most pitiful teams ever and directing a sh!tload of anger toward a former player and his team.

It is much more fun to spend a season watching a great young prospect and a team with a lot of upside as opposed to basically spending my free time hoping for a team/player to fail.

There is no doubt that 2011 was a dark season in Cleveland... 2012 has been much more kind.

:cheers:

[Nash-tastic]

What Nash is doing is getting underrated here

[RedBlackAttack]

What Nash is doing is getting underrated here
I love Steve Nash and all, but...

Just sayin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA7oCWTTfXE)

[NumberSix]

Irving > D.Will and Westbrook? Ahahahahaha. Fcuk outta here

[sbw19]

Don't care where Kyrie is ranked, he's like the last of the few pleasant surprises everyone has been interested in following and watching unfold, now that Linsanity is over and Rubio is injured.

It's been a crazy season, lockout ends abruptly, Linsanity out of nowhere takes over then disappears. Rubio to every basketball fan's delight makes Minny watchable again then succumbs to a season-ending ACL tear. Kyrie is the best feel-good story unfolding right now on an individual level, and I'm rooting for him and the Cavs to make the playoffs and possibly cause and upset or two.

[Nash-tastic]

I love Steve Nash and all, but...

Just sayin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA7oCWTTfXE)
14 PPG 11 APG on 54% FG (1st of PGs and 6th overall) 40% 3PT and 87% FT still counts as Top 5 PG IMO
Irving is still great though, sky's the limit for the kid

[All Net]

1) Rose
2) Rondo
3) Paul
4) Irving
5) Williams

Parker, Nash, Westbrook, Lawson, Rubio on the outside looking in.

ONLY 19 and he's close to being a 50/40/90 player. The more clutch player in the league. Can defend, can breakdown a defense, can finish, can shoot. He's 4 now and potentially 1 by next season.

He's doing all of this on the least talented team of any of the top point guards. FACT.

This is what you call a typical overreaction thread...

irving has been great but baby steps...baby steps.

The fact you don't have Westbrook right at the top is the biggest fail here.

Westbrook is arguably a top 10 player this season.

[Tmuston Beltics]

Irwing better than Westbrook? :hammerhead:

[nathanjizzle]

1. Derrick Rose
2. Derrick Rose
3. Derrick Rose
4. everyone else.

[CardiacKemba]

1. Derrick Rose
2. Derrick Rose
3. Derrick Rose
4. everyone else.

Are you his boyfriend?

[RedBlackAttack]

Are you his boyfriend?
More like stalker.

[maybeshewill13]

No.

1. Paul
2. Rose
3. Deron
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo

On top of that, Parker and probably Nash are also better than him. I'd sit him at 8-9 (jousting with Lawson).

[CardiacKemba]

No.

1. Paul
2. Rose
3. Deron
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo

On top of that, Parker and probably Nash are also better than him. I'd sit him at 8-9 (jousting with Lawson).

Exact same top 5 as mine at the moment. Nice. Couldn't agree with it any more.

[ralph_i_el]

Top 10. His defense is still rookie level and he's not as good of a passer as most of the other elite point guards.

He'll be there soon though.

[I.R.Beast]

hes not even better than lin
get the F**k out of dodge....lin is not even top 15..

[chips93]

i dont think that he has a case (yet) among the top tier:

rose
paul
williams
westbrook
parker
nash

i think that you could make a case for him over rondo, that just depends what you value, defense, rebounding and playmaking with rondo, scoring, clutch ability, and consistency with irving, but id give rondo the slight edge.

if he keeps improving his passing (its come a long way even in the last couple weeks, and is light years ahead of where it was at the start of the season) and his defense needs a lot of work, from there he should be among that top group, and hopefully, in a few years, among the elite; rose, cp3, d-will group.

[OmniStrife]

1) Rose
2) Rondo
3) Paul
4) Irving
5) Williams

Parker, Nash, Westbrook, Lawson, Rubio on the outside looking in.

ONLY 19 and he's close to being a 50/40/90 player. The more clutch player in the league. Can defend, can breakdown a defense, can finish, can shoot. He's 4 now and potentially 1 by next season.

He's doing all of this on the least talented team of any of the top point guards. FACT.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iJEsEuR0lsc/S-hE5ck6WuI/AAAAAAAAAV8/Pfs6ZR4dDP4/s1600/0510suns2526.jpg

Nash leads the league in assists and could be leading Gortat and scrubs to the playoffs out west...

Try posting a better thread next time OP...

[plUto or bUst]

I would like to see him lead a winning team before I call him top 5.

[FatComputerNerd]

Irving is too young and new to confidently call him a top 5 YET, but he has shown that he is a legit #1 option and will most likely be a bona fide superstar.

I look forward to seeing him in many all-star games to come.

[jbryan1984]

He's too young yet but if you said top 10, I would say that would be a little less crazy of a saying. Without doubt though, if he keeps it up next year, he will move into the front. I personally think he is going to up there with Rose in the next 2-3 yars.

[IGotACoolStory]

How many sick stat lines and great game closings is it going to take?

[Jotaro Durant]

lettuce not go overbroad
top 10 not not 5

[June1026]

1. Rose
2. CP3
3. Parker
4. DWill
5. Westbrook
6. Nash
7. Rondo
8. Irving
9. Lowry
10. Lawson
11. Curry
12. Lin
13. Wall
14. Jennings
15. Rubio

No love for Parker.

[LBJMVP]

1)rose
2)paul
3)williams
4)westbrook
5)parker
6)irving

[ballashotcalla]

1. Derrick Rose
2. Derrick Rose
3. Derrick Rose
4. everyone else.

i see. you love nathan but jizzle.

[Whoah10115]

I love Kyrie Irving and liked him out of college.



With guys like Wall, Lowry and Lawson hardly being starters for longer than Kyrie has, that argument shouldn't really apply to them. Rubio is a rookie just like Kyrie and is out for the season and obviously is behind now. Stephen Curry is not really a PG and his team is not good and he's in his 3rd year...what I'm trying to say is that I'd respect these guys being in anyone's top 10. Whoever you think is better out of those guys, right now, I accept. Hell, if people don't wanna act like Billups hadn't been Billups thru the end of last season and wanted to ignore his stint as a SG this year and now being out for the rest of the season and being 35...I'd respect that too. Yep. I really would. Enough that I held out a spot for him for a while.



But let's not go overboard. The top 7 is set in stone and no, Kyrie Irving is not allowed in it. He's not been as good as any of those guys this season (as great as he's been), and he hasn't done anything in the playoffs. All he has is 45 games. So he has to do a lot to break into that top 7. It has to start with showing a level higher than the level those 7 have shown (I'll even ignore playoffs). He has never played as well as any of:


Nash, Paul, Williams, Rondo, Rose, Parker, Westbrook.



He hasn't. It's inexcusable to put him in the top 7. How can anyone justify putting him ahead of Nash (not trying to call out the previous list)? Nash still has that Phoenix team 2 games out of the playoffs, while averaging 11APG and being their offense.



That's inexcusable. Those are the top 7.

[PTB Fan]

Will be there. Around the top 8.

[plUto or bUst]

Rose
Paul
Westbrook
Williams
Rondo
Nash
Parker
Wall
Curry
Irving

This list is legit... I would probably put Irving above Curry though.

[Bigsmoke]

Rondo's the 2nd best?

yeah ok

[FatComputerNerd]

Irving is the best PG in the NBA except maybe for Rose and CP3.

[GOBB]

Irving is the best PG in the NBA except maybe for Rose and CP3.

*reads username*

Yup, that explains it.

[linZoMourning]

1. CP3
2. DWill
3. Rose
4. Westbrook
5. Rondo
6. Nash
7. Parker
8. Irving
9. Rubio
10. Lawson

but being the 8th best PG isn't bad for a rookie

rondo nash AND westbrook over parker?? :yaohappy:

[SilkkTheShocker]

*reads username*

Yup, that explains it.

Looks at post count .

That explains it.

Get a life clown

[I.R.Beast]

He's more of a SG than a pg.....only 5 assists

[IGotACoolStory]

Bump because it's even more true

[SilkkTheShocker]

1. John Wall sucks
2. LOL at the poster that said Curry>>Irving

[chips93]

his defense is still terrible, but his passing has come a long way. hes been the best pg in the league so far this year outside of rose and rondo. westbrook has a case over him, but irving is a little better. so hes at worst, 4th in the league.

op still jumped the gun tho. he had no case for top 5 last season.

[Kiddlovesnets]

The top 7 are still way better: CP3, Deron, Rose, Rondo, Parker, Nash, Westbrook. The only one Irving has a chance to surpass in the next 1-3 seasons is Nash given his age, the others will be better than him until they are seriously declining.

[dunksby]

1- Westbrook
2- CP3
3- Rondo
4- Jennings
5- Irving
6- Deron
7- Curry
8- Lawson
9- Mo Williams
10- Parker

[SevereUpInHere]

his defense is still terrible, but his passing has come a long way. hes been the best pg in the league so far this year outside of rose and rondo. westbrook has a case over him, but irving is a little better. so hes at worst, 4th in the league.

op still jumped the gun tho. he had no case for top 5 last season.


CP3 I assume?

[Whoah10115]

Nope, still not top 7.


And let me say...he's one of my favorite players.



1- Westbrook
2- CP3
3- Rondo
4- Jennings
5- Irving
6- Deron
7- Curry
8- Lawson
9- Mo Williams
10- Parker


Quite possibly the worst list I've ever seen.

[dunksby]

Quite possibly the worst list I've ever seen.
Coming from you, I take it as a compliment.

[RRR3]

his defense is still terrible, but his passing has come a long way. hes been the best pg in the league so far this year outside of rose and rondo. westbrook has a case over him, but irving is a little better. so hes at worst, 4th in the league.

op still jumped the gun tho. he had no case for top 5 last season.
No Chris Paul mentioned. Shame on you.



1- Westbrook
2- CP3
3- Rondo
4- Jennings
5- Irving
6- Deron
7- Curry
8- Lawson
9- Mo Williams
10- Parker

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Seriously are you trolling? That list has no basis in reality.


:biggums:

[AlonzoGOAT]

his defense is still terrible, but his passing has come a long way. hes been the best pg in the league so far this year outside of rose and rondo. westbrook has a case over him, but irving is a little better. so hes at worst, 4th in the league.

op still jumped the gun tho. he had no case for top 5 last season.
um CP3? Are you also saying Rondo>CP3?

[dunksby]

No Chris Paul mentioned. Shame on you.



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Seriously are you trolling? That list has no basis in reality.


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This is a right now list, I'm not gonna include Rose, Nash or Wall in it. The rankings are obviously a current list of top performing PGs.

[RRR3]

This is a right now list, I'm not gonna include Rose, Nash or Wall in it. The rankings are obviously a current list of top performing PGs.
I can see your list making sense if you're just ranking them off the first 8 games this year, but I still have some problems with it, as WB has been wildly erratic, Lawson and Curry have underperformed, and Mo Williams is, well...Mo Williams.

[pnyozzzoo]

This League has too many good PGs, they are all good in some areas and great in some other.

After reading this thread, basically, for arguing sake anyone can be pulled out of top 5 and make a cases of it and not be crazy.

Rose (injured uncertain future)
Westbrook ( chucker low IQ)
Parker ( always underrated, shadowed by TD, and low on ast)
Rondo ( no shooting, only fit in Boston with great players and free to do w/e he wants)
CP3 ( hated, flopper, gets passive often till take over time)
any other PG are lesser, and even easier to rank lower.

Thats my top 5.

[chips93]

CP3 I assume?


yup, my bad

[chips93]

how is jennings playing better than irving? 17 and 8, with decent defense, and mediocre efficiency, is better than irvings 24 and 6, with bad defense and great efficiency.

what makes you say jennings is playing better, dunksby? if you are going by this year, and this year alone.

and westbrook with 21 and 7, on mediocre defense and terrible efficiency.



irving is way more efficient than both. way more. and hes scoring more. his assists are a little worse, and his defense is worse, but enough to make up for the big gap in scoring amd efficiency?

[RedBlackAttack]

I still probably would have Kyrie behind CP3, Rondo, Parker, Westbrook, Williams and possibly Nash (we'll see how he looks). Obviously, Rose would be in the mix too when he gets back.

I think he has firmly established himself within the Top 7 at this point, which is absolutely insane considering how great the point guard position is in today's NBA. He is also not far from establishing himself firmly in the Top 5 or even the Top 3.

He basically just needs to do what he's doing now over a longer period of time.

The guy is freaking 4th in the NBA in scoring, one spot ahead of LeBron James. And in 35 minutes per game. Of the guys in the Top 10 in the league in scoring, only James, Bosh and Mayo average less minutes per game. And, he's scoring at that rate on a very efficient 47% from the floor, 40% from three, and 87+% from the line. Crazy efficiency, reflected in his 22.30 PER.

His playmaking (and, hence, assists) is also improving by leaps and bounds seemingly every time out. He's now up to 6.5 assists per game so far this season.

Here are his last six games to give some perspective on his playmaking and how improvements are visible there...

@Bucks - 27 points, 7 assists, 4 rebounds
@Clippers - 24 points, 10 assists, 3 rebounds
@Warriors - 28 points 7 assists, 6 rebounds
@Suns - 17 points, 8 assists, 4 rebounds
@Thunder - 20 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds
@Nets - 34 points, 8 assists, 4 rebounds

If you take away the first two games, one of which he was acclimating to a completely new team and the other a blowout to the Bulls where he barely played in the second half, he's averaging 7.5 assists per game.

The other thing being lost in his game is his rebounding. For a point guard, he is a damn good rebounder. In fact, he's tied with George Hill for 5th in the league for rebounding amongst point guards.


But, overall, let's write them down at this stage, just to see where his numbers go from here...

35.1 minutes
24.3 points (47% FG, 40% 3PT, 87% FT)
6.5 assists
4.1 rebounds
1.1 steals

If he solidifies his defense and cuts down on the turnovers (4.1 is a high number), he definitely leaps into the Top 5 and beyond. As it is, it is difficult to look at his numbers and justify him not being in the conversation.

Can he possibly keep up this kind of scoring with this kind of efficiency for an entire season? I would be surprised, because as great as he is, those numbers are nuts... And then you remember he is 20 and in the second week of his second season. :eek:

Remember when everyone said the Cavs were unlucky to get the No. 1 pick during one of the weakest drafts in history? :roll:

There isn't a single player in the NBA 23-years-old or younger I would take over Kyrie right now. He's been that good.

[Ikill]

I have him only behind Chris Paul

[TheBigVeto]

Let's see now

CP3
Rondo
Nash
Parker
Irving

Yep he is.

[Whoah10115]

Coming from you, I take it as a compliment.


You do that.

[sixer6ad]

Overall, people's opinions of him to date are fairly accurate, although big-bodied point guards (Westbrook and Deron Williams) have given him some difficulty on the defensive end.

In head to head, Kyrie abuses opposing point guards at the offensive end. In fact, when the Cavs beat the Clippers, it was actually sad watching Paul try to keep up with him. He couldn't. I was looking for some "passing of the torch" thoughts here on ISH.

He's the real deal and, of course, we will soon be talking in Cleveland (and nationally) about where his next team is.

[Meticode]

Westbrook is going to fluctuate a lot of people's list. His talent and athleticism is insane, but his decision making and shot jacking his absolutely the worst out of any of the top 7 point guards.

[GOBB]

No he's not but lets keep in mind how talent rich the PG position is. Not like the Center position where every season, every 3 months a top 5 looks different. I bet people have Andy V top 5 Centers. Damn sure wasnt before the season. Anyone who gets offended, upset at someone leaving Irving off top 5 lists needs to get a grip on reality and stfu. Whats the rush? Its his 2nd season and you want him to be crowned already. Its inevitable he'll be a certified top 5 PG and beyond.